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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Gradios How Stuff Works. Hello, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is Noel. They called me Ben. We are joined as

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Speaker 1: always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decade. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you, You are here, and that makes this

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know and hoof, this

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Speaker 1: is a doozy. But first, as we've been doing recently,

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Speaker 1: let's let's check in. Uh, Noel, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: You're doing okay. I'm still kind of nursing this scooter

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Speaker 1: injury to my arm. I'm at about maybe last time,

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Speaker 1: I was at sixty five, steadily on the mend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've been shaking hands with your right end. Yes, but

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Speaker 1: it really sucks when someone has a really, really powerful handshake.

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Speaker 1: It sets me back a couple of percentage points. Powerful handshakes.

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Speaker 1: There's such a literally a weird flex. I think so too.

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Speaker 1: What about you, Matt, how's it going. I've been practicing

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Speaker 1: my power shakes, my power handshakes. You know, I'm great.

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Speaker 1: Everything's everything's good. There's a new Magic the Gathering set

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Speaker 1: coming out one of our one of our super mods.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was Zach who recently had a birthday,

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Speaker 1: So happy birthday to use Zach. Uh just pointed it out.

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Speaker 1: We were talking on our behind the scenes chat. Nice.

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Speaker 1: I'm still behind on all that I need to catch

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Speaker 1: up again, but happy birthday, zach in. Thanks for letting

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Speaker 1: us know. And your birthday is coming up as well,

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Speaker 1: so act surprised and don't buy any magic cards. So well,

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Speaker 1: you know what. We all have the same birthday month, right,

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Speaker 1: except for Paul, except for Paul on Manoun Paul Mission Control. Paul,

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Speaker 1: I believe is in September. Paul, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs up speaking, yes, he does well.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of birthdays, Uh, we're going to talk about something

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Speaker 1: or butts, and before we tell you the episode. For

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Speaker 1: everyone who doesn't read the titles before they before they listen, Uh,

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Speaker 1: what we're exploring today is going to be a bit

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Speaker 1: So as you're listening along, don't hesitate. If you have input,

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Speaker 1: you said. We're not going to stop the show to

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Speaker 1: take your call, but we will get it eventually and then, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, use that on a later call in show.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And by the way, we have entirely too

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Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, Matt, that's on my list. I will

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Speaker 1: I will take some of this burden off you, and

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Speaker 1: thank you for being a one man army there. Just

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Speaker 1: are finally doing it. Folks, fellow conspiracy realist, true believers

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Speaker 1: and hardcore skeptics alike. This is the episode on vaccination, Paul,

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Speaker 1: can we get a dramatic sound cue? Perfect? Depending upon

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Speaker 1: who you ask, vaccines are either absolute lifesavers, human lives,

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly. To be completely clear, We've never been told

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Speaker 1: have to define what a vaccine is So here are

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Speaker 1: the facts. A vaccine is UM a substance that's used

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Speaker 1: in the US in nineteen eight six. It's called the

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Speaker 1: National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. And that's this was made

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Speaker 1: because it is true that in some cases this is

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Speaker 1: according to Health Resources and Service administration of the US,

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Speaker 1: in some cases vaccines can cause very serious problems. The

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Speaker 1: one most often cited on their side is the severe

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Speaker 1: allergic reaction that can affect some people depending on the

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Speaker 1: vaccine and their personal reaction to it. In these cases,

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Speaker 1: this compensation program may provide financial compensation to people who

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Speaker 1: filed petition or found to be injured by a vaccine

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Speaker 1: that is covered by this stuff. And this doesn't cover

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Speaker 1: all vaccines, but it did stop that decline. People felt

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Speaker 1: a little less unsafe. The legacy of this era lives

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Speaker 1: on in the present day in supply crisis and continued

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Speaker 1: media efforts by a incredibly dedicated anti vaccination lobby. Anti

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Speaker 1: vaccination groups continue today. Two thou eighteen survey by Zogbye

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Speaker 1: Analytics found that nearly twenty of Americans, about one in

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Speaker 1: five people believe vaccines are inherently unsafe. So what gives

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Speaker 1: why some people convinced there's something more to vaccines than

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Speaker 1: saving lives and preventing disease will tackle the answer after

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Speaker 1: a word from our sponsors. Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 1: So there's a route to this issue, and it's it's threefold, right. Yeah, First,

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Speaker 1: you're going to get into some kind of religious objection

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Speaker 1: to doing this, whether it's something that's actually written in

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Speaker 1: a scripture, in a text somewhere that just talks about

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Speaker 1: putting um other people's blood into your body, or just

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Speaker 1: you know, some small thing like that. And also just

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Speaker 1: you know, into specific religious reasons for not wanting to

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Speaker 1: do this, or or even even the idea that this

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Speaker 1: is an attempt to shirk a duty or trial sent

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Speaker 1: by a religious authority. It is not our place to

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Speaker 1: go against the judgment of God. God has a plan

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Speaker 1: and if I am to be sick, I will be

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Speaker 1: sick and uh, and He will make me better as well.

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Speaker 1: Then you've got concerns about personal liberty, which is you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that's right on the face of it, as

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Speaker 1: we talked about with anything being mandatory, like if if

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Speaker 1: I do not have a choice to do this, then uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to agree with it, um or at

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Speaker 1: least I'm going to object to it. And then the

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Speaker 1: third is skepticism or just all out rejection of the

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Speaker 1: benefits that we all humans get from vaccination. And it's

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Speaker 1: also accompanied by the belief of vaccines, you know, have

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Speaker 1: harmed people over the course of the history of using

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Speaker 1: them um and specifically though the belief that vaccines in

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Speaker 1: general hurt people more than they help them, and more so,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the one that really leans more into

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Speaker 1: the conspiracy realm, where there's this perceived agenda that vaccines

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Speaker 1: are used as some sort of controlling factor or some

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Speaker 1: sort of this whole mandatory idea is the government, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just the thing they don't want us to know,

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Speaker 1: you know what, what the vaccines are actually doing. It's

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Speaker 1: the one that's stuck around for the longest at least,

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Speaker 1: yet it has the most stame power by far. Now,

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Speaker 1: those those first uh, those first two objections still exists,

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Speaker 1: and you can see modern cases of religious objections, and

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Speaker 1: you can see modern cases of you know, forget the science.

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Speaker 1: This is a matter of personal philosophy and uh, your

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Speaker 1: your control ends where my personal space begins. The argument

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Speaker 1: of liberty and these uh, these objections, the ones from

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Speaker 1: the stame power, the skepticism about the science. They go

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Speaker 1: through a gamut of responses. Some will purport to be

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Speaker 1: based on science, and we'll look at that more in

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Speaker 1: a second. To some that would be you know, be

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Speaker 1: called more conspiratorial. And in the mainstream media. In the

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Speaker 1: nineties seventies, the DIP theory of tetanus and produces our

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Speaker 1: dt pvaccine was blamed for neurological conditions in some British children,

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Speaker 1: even though numerous other studies and subsequent studies indicated there

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Speaker 1: was no close association with their quote brain disease, that's

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Speaker 1: what they call it. They said it just biologically wasn't

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Speaker 1: possible for the method or the mechanism that the vaccine

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Speaker 1: used to cause uh malfunctions in neurological systems. And even

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Speaker 1: though historically that was what was found when that nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventies DTP vaccine saga that was occurring, you will still

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Speaker 1: have groups who believe that you know, this, this concept

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Speaker 1: that there was no association coming from studies performed by doctors,

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Speaker 1: and this is one of the you know, as we

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Speaker 1: get into the more conspiratorial things, people will outright reject

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Speaker 1: that conclusion and continue to believe that, no, that is

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Speaker 1: an example of vaccines being harmful, or question the source.

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Speaker 1: So now you know, history doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme,

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Speaker 1: as it's so often said. Let's look at the concept

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Speaker 1: of mercury health effects allegations of neurological damage. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: a British gastro enterologist named Andrew Wakefield published a report

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Speaker 1: that uh linked the combination Measles moms and Rubella or

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Speaker 1: MMR vaccine to autism and bowel disease in infants. This

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Speaker 1: vaccine had been more or less routinely distributed since the

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Speaker 1: early nineteen seventies. First things first, if this is true,

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Speaker 1: if the science bears out, then this is a tremendous

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Speaker 1: problem because tons of people have had this vaccine. This

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Speaker 1: needs to be solved yesterday, you know, before this thing publishes.

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Speaker 1: But the problem here is that subsequent researchers, nearly all

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Speaker 1: of them, were unable to reproduce Wakefield's results, and that's

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Speaker 1: very important in studies. In two thousand four, an investigation

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Speaker 1: by The Sunday Times revealed that he had in fact

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Speaker 1: fabricated his research. So the Lancet where this was published

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Speaker 1: with Drew's report, and Wakefield was barred from practicing medicine

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Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom. That's when he moved to the

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Speaker 1: US and he doubled down on his claims. He said that,

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Speaker 1: you know, he alleged there was a conspiracy by the

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Speaker 1: academy or the powers that be to shut him down.

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Speaker 1: And this is where the echo of William teb comes

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Speaker 1: in exactly. And he directed a film called Vaxed from

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Speaker 1: Cover Up to Catastrophe in twenty six which several of

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Speaker 1: us have probably seen. I watched as well. This was

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Speaker 1: not a fringe figure at this time, not near as

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Speaker 1: much as some some of us might think just hearing

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Speaker 1: that information. In fact, he attended the inauguration ball of

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Speaker 1: the current president in ten so it's not like he

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Speaker 1: is um it's not like he's being entirely dismissed in

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Speaker 1: the US. Right, and then going back to the claims

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Speaker 1: of the claims that there is a poisonous ingredient in vaccines, right,

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Speaker 1: that the rubber bullet is still a bullet. Uh let's

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Speaker 1: talk about something called theomercial or thimerosal as it's spelled

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Speaker 1: differently in the UK and US. It's an antifungal preservative

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Speaker 1: and it's been used in small amounts in different multi

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Speaker 1: dose vaccines. Multi dose vaccines. It doesn't mean that you

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Speaker 1: get dosed for multiple diseases. It means that the vaccine

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Speaker 1: comes in a container or a vial and you use

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Speaker 1: it for multiple patients. Right, like two leader of soda here,

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Speaker 1: you would you would expect your friends have cups, were

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Speaker 1: not just each guzzling one unless it's a game night, right. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So this stuff, this anti fungal substance was included in

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Speaker 1: these vials and these multi dose vaccines to prevent them

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Speaker 1: from becoming contaminated as they were you across multiple patients.

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Speaker 1: So it works as a preservative. It's controversial because this

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Speaker 1: substance contains mercury, which studies do conclusively show is super

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Speaker 1: bad for you. Don't play like you Have you ever

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Speaker 1: played with a thermometer? Do you guys ever break mercury

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Speaker 1: into it? Yeah, it's so cool. It's not. It's not

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Speaker 1: a good idea. Don't do it it amidst poisonous fumes.

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Speaker 1: Don't let it touch your skin, but man, and really

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Speaker 1: don't drink it. Ever, Let's say you're working with a

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Speaker 1: Flint River, don't don't drink it or you know, even

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Speaker 1: if you watch T one thousand in the Terminator films,

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Speaker 1: don't try to build one out of mercury, which is

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Speaker 1: what I did. That was week with metal liquid mental.

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Speaker 1: Without getting off to far off track, here, did you

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Speaker 1: see with the the Flint River water crisis. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: an update with all that. Yeah, the claims got rejected. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're they're shutting down essentially the prosecution or that they're

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Speaker 1: not going to prosecute anyone, but they're gonna reach like reinvestigate.

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Speaker 1: Basically the water still burns. Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those people are probably not going to see a day

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Speaker 1: in jail. The folks who were who were largely responsible,

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Speaker 1: And to be fair, there's a little we did an

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Speaker 1: episode on this, we did. It's just it's an important update, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because once something leaves the news, it's it's very easy

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Speaker 1: for the legal shan against to begin when the world

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Speaker 1: doesn't have its eye on things right. So, yes, mercury

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Speaker 1: is terrible. Apologies to Flint, Michigan. We've had, And thank

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Speaker 1: you so much to some of our fellow listeners who

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Speaker 1: wrote in from Flint and the surrounding area to let

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Speaker 1: us know that this story continues even if CNN is

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Speaker 1: not paying attention to it. And in that case it

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Speaker 1: was led by the way, I don't know why my

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Speaker 1: tangent went from mercury to lead contamination. Contamination. Uh. And also, yeah,

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Speaker 1: when I say the water are still burns, it's a

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Speaker 1: bit hyperbole. The places where water tends to burn our

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Speaker 1: places that have been contaminated by tracking, Yeah, which is

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Speaker 1: a real thing. Still back to vaccines in the c

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Speaker 1: d C Center for Disease Control itself the subject of

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Speaker 1: no small amount of conspiracy theories, and the American Academy

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Speaker 1: of Pediatrics or the a a P asked vaccine makers

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Speaker 1: to remove this theomercial from vaccines as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 1: They said, just to be safe, Just to be safe.

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Speaker 1: Mercury is bad for you. We all know that. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's get it out of here. He's out of here

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Speaker 1: three strikes, or before three strikes occur. Let's not hit

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Speaker 1: anyone with this. So now this substance is absent from

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of vaccines in Europe and the US,

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Speaker 1: except for some preparations of the flu vaccine, So make

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Speaker 1: your choice. No, no, no kidding, d kiddy. Uh, there

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Speaker 1: are trace amounts that are in some vaccines due to

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Speaker 1: production processes. What that means is that the people actually

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Speaker 1: manufacture the vaccines, who are not necessarily the people who

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Speaker 1: invented or discovered them, say hey, we've got the system

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Speaker 1: in place. It already works. It's tremendously expensive and may

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Speaker 1: be dangerous for us to change it, so we have

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Speaker 1: to keep this in and for anyone wondering, Uh, this

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Speaker 1: mercury mercury bearing substance occurs at around a maximum of

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Speaker 1: one microgram in some vaccines. That's about cent of the

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Speaker 1: average daily mercury and take in the US, which is

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Speaker 1: a thing in case you didn't know that, there's daily

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Speaker 1: mercury intake for all seafood fans out there, there's allowable

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Speaker 1: limits of all kinds of toxins. Yeah, rat vcs and cereal.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's how it works. Uh, that's of the

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Speaker 1: daily and take for US adults. Uh, two point five

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Speaker 1: percent of the daily level considered tolerable by the World

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Speaker 1: Health Organization who, yes, Yes, the World Health organization to

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Speaker 1: the presence of this mercury varying substance and vaccines is

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Speaker 1: one of the primary reasons that some people in organizations

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Speaker 1: link vaccines and vaccinations to incidencies of autism. What exactly

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Speaker 1: is autism other than something deserving an episode entirely of

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Speaker 1: its own? Will answer this after a word from our sponsors,

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Speaker 1: We've returned. Autism as it's commonly called, or autism spectrum

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Speaker 1: disorder a s D, as its named officially, refers to

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Speaker 1: a broad range of conditions. They're characterized by challenges with

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Speaker 1: social skills, repetitive behaviors, speech, and nonverbal communication. According again

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Speaker 1: to the CDC Centers for Disease Control, autism effects an

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Speaker 1: estimated one in fifty nine children in the United States today.

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Speaker 1: We know there's not saying saying something First off, autism

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Speaker 1: isn't cancer, But saying something is autism is a lot

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Speaker 1: like saying something is cancer. It's sort of an umbrella

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Speaker 1: terms for many different types of things sum so important, uh,

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Speaker 1: and they're most often influenced by a combination of genetic

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Speaker 1: and environmental factors. Science, even now in twenty nineteen, is

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Speaker 1: still attempting to understand how those factors combine to create

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Speaker 1: UH conditions or events on this spectrum, and how best

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Speaker 1: to uh to help people who live with a condition

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Speaker 1: from the A s D. Whether that's you know, as

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Speaker 1: Berger's or whether it is some sort of UM, I

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Speaker 1: believe the correct the correct terminology is profound autism. Is

638
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: that correct, Matt? And there's all there's all kinds of

639
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: things functioning, non functioning, verbal, nonverbal, all that that we

640
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: kind of discussed already. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So multiple

641
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: studies from various groups like the National Academy of Sciences

642
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: in the UK and so on, have not verified a

643
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: link between vaccination and this condition. And Wakefield's research, although

644
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: it's been soundly dismissed by mainstream medicine, is still is

645
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: still cited by a lot of anti vaccination groups. And

646
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: sometimes depending on the group, and depending on the tone

647
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: of the group or the agenda of the group, you

648
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: will you will also run into some conspiratorial stuff. Some

649
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: groups will just cite it without citing other studies that

650
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: outnumber it and contradict it, or some other groups maybe

651
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: a little further out there, will say that uh, well

652
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: will intimate or UH kind of kind of allude to

653
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: some great cover up of Wakefield's research. This leads us

654
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: to another medical concern, the concept of vaccine overload, which

655
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: is something that might not be familiar to people, but

656
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: it's an interesting idea. So vaccine overload, which is a

657
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: non medical term, refers to this idea that giving lots

658
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: of vaccines in one go um could overwhelm or weaken

659
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: a child's very you know, developing immune system and lead

660
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: to adverse effects. So for example, when my kid got

661
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: vaccine and we broke it up into a couple of

662
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: different little sessions, and that's pretty common. UM. So vaccine

663
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: overloads also a term that's used uh as it's often

664
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: cited as a cause for autism. Again, there's not much

665
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: science to back this up. In fact, that any of

666
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: the science that exist doesn't really bear this out. Despite

667
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: the increase in the number of vaccines over recent decades,

668
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: improvements in the designs of these vaccines in the they're

669
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: administered um have created serious reduction to the immuno logic

670
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: load from those backs vaccines and the total number of

671
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: these components. The immunological components in the fourteen vaccines administered

672
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: to children in the United States in two thousand nine

673
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: is less than ten percent of what it was in

674
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: the seven vaccines given in nineteen. So we see we

675
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: see this um tremendous reduction in the amount of work

676
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: immune systems are asked to do. Right. That's that's essentially

677
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: what we mean when we say immunologic load. I think

678
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: immuno Logic is really cool words. By the way, it

679
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: sounds like some West Coast hip hop guy's name. Uh.

680
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: I agree. If it's not, then here you go. I

681
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: think the only person who will have a problem with

682
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: you taking that name will be Logic, who seems like

683
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a problem with other people having names

684
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: related to that. But you can't really get mad at

685
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: someone who has who shares a component of your name.

686
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: In hip hop? How many bigs are there? How many

687
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: littles are there? How many youngs? So many youngs and

688
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: littles bigs. Somebody named Little Skies who's putting stuff everywhere

689
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: still in Atlanta, Little Skies, little guys like a graffiti

690
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: artists or no, just somebody's paying a lot of money. Yeah,

691
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: well you gotta you know, you've got to be the change.

692
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: I guess so Little Skuys, if you're listening, Uh, send

693
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: us some music. Yeah, please be the little that you

694
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: want to see in the world. That's what I say. So.

695
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: A study published in found no correlation between autism and

696
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: the antigen number in the vaccines these children were administered

697
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: up to age two. Again, the antigen is sort of

698
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: the the broken part of the of the infection that

699
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: you're attempting to teach a body to fight. Right. Of

700
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: the one thousand and eight children in this study back

701
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: a one quarter of those diagnosed with some as D

702
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: condition were born between and that's when the routine vaccine

703
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: schedule for children could contain more than three thousand antigens.

704
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: That's a single shot of a DTP vaccine. The vaccine

705
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: schedule inve has more vaccines, but the number of antigens

706
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: the children are exposed to by the age of two

707
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: is way way down. It's down to three fifteen. So

708
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: if this correlation is correct, then it would naturally follow.

709
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: This is just take like, let's just assume for the

710
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: sake of argument that the the opposition to vaccines because

711
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: of that link to autism or perceived link. Let's assume

712
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: that bore out somehow. If that was true, then uh,

713
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: it would follow that reducing this antigen load, right, would

714
00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: therefore result in a decline in people presenting with a

715
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: s D conditions That does not seem to be the case,

716
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: or at least there's no there's no literature on the

717
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: anti vaccination side citing that. There's another argument too that

718
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: we could have, which is that that's a schedule from

719
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: it's twenty nineteen now, so there's not enough time. Arguably, right,

720
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: we would want to wait till maybe two or twenty

721
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: twenty five or something like that. To be absolutely fair,

722
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: there are no publicly available studies based on withholding vaccines

723
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: from children. That is because there are tons of laws

724
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: against unethical experimentation. Again, my my opinion pops up a

725
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: little bit here. I'm a huge fan of self experimentation,

726
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: but even I understand that you you shouldn't. You shouldn't

727
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: conduct experiments on people who are not capable of informed consent,

728
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: and children are not so at this point, it's also

729
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: fair to point out that no study directly comparing rates

730
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: of a s D or spectrum in vaccinated and unvaccinated

731
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: children has been done to our knowledge. If you find one,

732
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: please send it out. And then there's some other conditions

733
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: associated with vaccination. Yeah, yeah, aluminium has been a cause

734
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: of concern. This will cause aluminium and things related to

735
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: aluminium are even a cause concern for some people with deodorant.

736
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: Have you heard about this when you're using the the

737
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: strong anti perse brands when it's like leaching into your

738
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: body exupposedly. But the other kind of doesn't work, man,

739
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: the hippie crystal deodorant, it doesn't do the job. Yeah,

740
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: or need I need heavy metals in my deodor right? Yes,

741
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of bathing. I don't know. I'm just

742
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: full of hot takes today, but I think people should shower. Yeah,

743
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: I agree, but you know it's it's hot in Georgia, dude,

744
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: and we it's hot in this hot box that we're

745
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: sitting in right now. I need my I need my

746
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: deodorant to be effective and benefit. And the idea is

747
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: that aluminum might also uh leach into people's bodies and

748
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: unsafe levels will affect some aspect of their development. Typically,

749
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: the primary concerns for people opposed to vaccination are going

750
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: to be focused on neurological aspects. What is the aluminum

751
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: meant to be in aluminum or aluminium for all the

752
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: fans of Bush right and the band and uh and

753
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: everyone living in the UK, or people who just prefer

754
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: that sort of spelling pronunciation. Aluminum adge evans are used

755
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: in vaccines for HEP A, HEP B, the diphtheria, tetanus vaccines,

756
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: and a couple of other things. They're not used in

757
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: what they call the live viral vaccines like measles, MOMPS

758
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: rebella and rhodavirus and so on. And adjivant is a

759
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: part of a vaccine, a component that boost the immune

760
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: response for the vaccine. Essentially, they allow you to get

761
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: more bang for your buck. Lesser quantities of the vaccine

762
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: and fewer doses can still have the same effect of

763
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: older vaccines. And like you said, Ben, there have been

764
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: other concerns raised about the HEP B vaccine um in

765
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: relation to a potential link between that and multiple sclerosis. Yeah,

766
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: hepatitis B vaccination and the risk of childhood onset multiple sclerosis, right,

767
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: that's the Pediatric Adolescents Medical Journal, And there were other

768
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: things to examining this. The New England Journal of Medicine

769
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: did a study on this hepatitis B vaccination the risk

770
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: of multiple sclerosis, and you can find plenty of literature

771
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: on this at the c d C, which has a

772
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: pretty good website. The problem is, for some people, the

773
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: CDC is considered a non harder you know what I mean,

774
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: it's compromised, right. Are you gonna believe big big disease?

775
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: You know, aren't they linked to big pharma? So it's true.

776
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: We've we've mentioned just a few, we've mentioned multiple grosses,

777
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: we've mentioned vaccine overload. We've got a couple of other

778
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: things we should mention. First, why anti vaccination remains a

779
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: hot topic today? Again not sold in that store. It's

780
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: kind of lazy. It was like, I don't know why

781
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: I used the hot topic. But first, there's a common

782
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: concern cited that vaccinations cause seizures. It's very important to

783
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: very important to mention this is technically true. All immune

784
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: responses which vaccines are purposely created to trigger, have a

785
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: chance of causing what are known as febrile seizures also

786
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: called fever pits or seizures associated with high body temperatures. Overall,

787
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: you're going to find and the risk of these seizures

788
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: during vaccination is pretty low, but still very distressing. If

789
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: you're a parent and your child is having seizures. It

790
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to you that only three percent of children

791
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: get them. It matters to you that one kid in

792
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: particular has that, right now, you know what I mean.

793
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: And the complication rates of the seizures from the vaccines

794
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: are still much lower than the exact same season when

795
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: caused by the actual diseases that they're meant to prevent,

796
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: right right, disease cause seizures have twenty times the rate

797
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: of I see you admission. And this this still goes

798
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 1: into other We're talking about medical concerns, but it still

799
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: goes into other widespread social concerns, uh, some of which

800
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: I've dealt with on the ground, like in the field.

801
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: So in some countries, nonprofit and medical personnel, especially if

802
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: they're in a non Western country and they're from the West,

803
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: have been attacked even killed for attempting to administer vaccines

804
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: to local populations. In Pakistan, for instance, some religious and

805
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: militant groups alleged the vaccination was a cover story and

806
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: that the substances being administered were meant to either sterilize

807
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: or kill the local population simply for being Muslim. And

808
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, we we've seen that echoed as well. Even

809
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: in places like New York City. In Brooklyn and a

810
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: couple other um and groups within that community believe that

811
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: there is some type of conspiracy against them, where the

812
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: vaccines are being administered specifically to them to uh to

813
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: cause harm to their community. Call them the population there

814
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: are there at least a couple of There are a

815
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: few outspoken rabbis. There have been holding rallies in ten

816
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: where they're like speaking outwardly about that stuff. A buddy

817
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: of mine lives in a neighborhood in Brooklyn that the

818
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: population is very largely made of Hasidic devout Jews, and

819
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: it's a really interesting community for sure, because they kind

820
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: of all hang out together. They go out with their

821
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: whole families kind of like you know, in a group,

822
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: and they don't really make eye contact or communicate with,

823
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: you know, others that are not in that community. So

824
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: it's very much like them looking out for themselves and

825
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: each other. It's a very interesting world. Just to call out.

826
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: A New York Times article if you want to learn

827
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: more about that, it's called despite measles warnings, anti vaccine

828
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: rally draws hundreds of ultra orthodox Jews. There you go, yes,

829
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: do learn about it. Now, when we're calling out communities

830
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: as examples for feeling this way, we're not. We're not

831
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: trying to pick on anybody. The truth is that this

832
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: is an understandable thing that occurs, especially in insular communities.

833
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: While this might sound the the idea of someone hunting

834
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: down your specific friends, families, and community members to kill

835
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: you via fake vaccines, While it might sound pretty out

836
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: there to some of us listening today, we have to

837
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: understand that Western in geos in particular, have an established

838
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: history of functioning as covers for all sorts of nefarious activities.

839
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: There is no proven case of modern vaccination attempts being

840
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: a cover for the spread of disease. In this manner,

841
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: it's a leap, It's not as far as a leap

842
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: as it might seem. Though it's still a leap, but

843
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's not as much of a jump.

844
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: The chasm is not as wide. When when I was

845
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: living in Central America, this was a very common belief

846
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: and it was very very much a controversial thing because

847
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: people thought that folks were being sent by the US

848
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: big business and government, maybe in cooperation with drug cartels,

849
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Speaker 1: to uh sterilize their children, or to render them somehow

850
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: mentally inert, you know. And this goes hand in hand

851
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: with the concerns of like the illegal organ trade, right,

852
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: or that the idea of that children will be by

853
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: vaccinate it would be somehow marked or chipped, and that

854
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: they could be traced and their organs later cold. There's

855
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: a real thing that people believe. There are other conspiracies.

856
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: There's the big business angle, which is always gonna, always

857
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 1: gonna rear. It's like you had here, depending on who

858
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: you ask time. As we said earlier time, medicine and

859
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: the health of living innocent human beings to profit or

860
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: a financial bottom line is either at best and necessary

861
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: evil or it is one of the great crimes of

862
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: modern medicine. Right. It's true that many people have died,

863
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: are probably dying as you listen to this show, and

864
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: will die after you're done listening in this show because

865
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: it was no longer profitable for certain pharmaceutical companies to

866
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: produce a given medicine, or because they increase the price

867
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: of a medicine to the point that other people could

868
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: not afford it. India is one of the countries that's

869
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: been in increasingly tense conversations and arguments with Western medicine

870
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: manufacturers because India as a government made a choice where

871
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: they said, look, we're not going to uh, we're not

872
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: going to let people die because you think of medicine

873
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: should be four d fifty dollars, we can manufacture it

874
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: here and we'll give it to him for three or

875
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, I'm I'm pulling the numbers

876
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: out of my head, but these are these are real

877
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: arguments that are happening, and you can see why some

878
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: people might be opposed to that because of the enormous

879
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: cost of R and D. But then also on the

880
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: other side, there are people dying. This is all to say,

881
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: it is very, very easy to see why a lot

882
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: of people would not trust these profit driven companies to

883
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: have the best interest of patients at heart. It's I'm

884
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: not I'm not vilifying them. I'm saying, if you exercise

885
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: even cursory attempts at empathy, you can clearly see how

886
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: this seems like a rational and logical decision on their part. Uh,

887
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: they're saying, well, these companies that experimented on marginalized populations

888
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: in the past, what's to stop them from doing so again?

889
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: And if we don't have enough money, these people don't

890
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: care about us. And this is not look we're talking

891
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: about right now. We're talking about largely developing countries when

892
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: we talk about those concerns. But the concern of vaccinations

893
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,959
Speaker 1: population control is alive and well here in the United States, Matt,

894
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: you had the excellent example of the ultra orthodox community again,

895
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: factions within the ultra orthodox community New York. What about

896
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: Congressman Louie Gomert who voiced his concerns about vaccination on

897
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: a broadcast for the Family Research Council. Pretty wholesome name right. Uh.

898
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: He is convinced that liberal elites are using vaccination programs

899
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: to call the Earth's population due to concerns about the

900
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: scarcity of natural resources. Very Malthusian population collapse reasoning. He

901
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: thinks there is an evil cabal behind this plan and

902
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: that they're aiming for a target worldwide global human population

903
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: of seven million, very Georgia Guidestone style. But there's a

904
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: huge problem with this. The overwhelming massive evidence, well not

905
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: perfect right science never is, proves the vaccines overall tend

906
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: to save lives. So this means the vaccines, even if

907
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: there were more dangerous than they are today. Are increasing

908
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: the world's population rather than diminishing it. It's making it

909
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: much much more likely that we reach nine billion then

910
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: go down to seven hundred million. It's a matter of fact,

911
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: if you wanted people to get closer to seven hundred million,

912
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: you would probably just stop vaccinating anyone and then a

913
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: ton of people eventually down the road would die. But

914
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: the problem with that is that people are very good

915
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: at breeding, and it's one of our favorite things to do.

916
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: So getting us down to seven hundred million means you

917
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: would also need to sterilize a ton of people or

918
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: convince them that there are things that are better than sex.

919
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: What if you can convince them that taking a vaccine

920
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: is the worst thing you can do because it will

921
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: kill you for some reason, or it will do something

922
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: bad for you. But you're a state actor and you

923
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,959
Speaker 1: want the population to decrease. Well, that is a very

924
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,959
Speaker 1: good segue, Matt, because I like that you're talking about

925
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: geopol It takes. There is one thing we found that

926
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: is um is a genuine improvable conspiracy in the argument

927
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: about vaccination. Yeah, and it has to do again and

928
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: every time we we talk about a state actor or

929
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: something like this. We mentioned this on the show all

930
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: the time. But it's a faction of someone acting within

931
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: a a state government in this case Russia, or at

932
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: least someone working even within a private institution somewhere in Russia.

933
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: But that's what we're gonna talk about. They are they've

934
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: been spreading basically propaganda that is anti vaccination in nature. Right. Yeah,

935
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: So a study by the Journal of Public Health showed

936
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: that Russian trolls, those are the biological actual people spreading

937
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: to sinfo, and then Russian bought campaigns those are the

938
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: algorithms and and fake accounts run by actual people have

939
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: been working purposely to spread discord in the West round

940
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: vaccination attempts or campaigns. According to David Bruniatowski from George

941
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: Washington University, quote, a significant portion of the online discourse

942
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: about vaccines may be generated by malicious actors with a

943
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: range of hidden agendas. They reviewed more than two hundred

944
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: and fifty tweets about vaccination from accounts linked to outfit

945
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: called the Internet Research Agency i RA. Again, as long

946
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: as you want look at the acronym, that's that's pretty

947
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: wholesome situation there. It's based in St. Petersburg, In February,

948
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: the agency was named in a US indictment over alleged

949
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: election meddling. They used tweets with polarizing language that linked

950
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: vaccination to statements about race, class, and the legitimacy of

951
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 1: Western governments. According to the research, we have a couple

952
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: of example tweets here. Does anybody want to do a voice?

953
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: I could do a voice. Did you know that it

954
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: was secret government database of Hastag vaccine Damag's child, Hastag

955
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: vaccinate US. Another that argued for vaccination said lex in

956
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: the US, you'll kind of fixed lathim dying from measle

957
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: I am for vaccination. Pretty good, guys, No apologies to

958
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: our apologies to our Russian friends. There's no one I

959
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: do well. I've got friends who are Russian. First in

960
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: to this show, So shout out to Shout out to Oleg.

961
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: He used to live in San Francisco. He lives in London.

962
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: Now you've told me about him. Uh, he's gonna kill

963
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: me for that accent. But you know, accents aside, we're

964
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: we're we're having a little fun with it. But accents aside.

965
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: Those are real tweets and they are certainly not not

966
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: meant to be associated with Russia in the environment in

967
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: which they're published. They're meant to seem like someone you

968
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: kind of know or a source you kind of respect

969
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: that is telling you, you know, the brass tacks, real

970
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: truth about what's going on. This is totally textbook foundation

971
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: of geopolitics by Alexander Ducan. There you go, Alexander Ducan.

972
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: It always it. I always feel like it's going to

973
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: be a Star Wars character or something. It does. And

974
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: he kind of is, you know, uh, he he got

975
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: away from his more occult roots and is now just

976
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: arguing state policy in Russia. But this this leads us

977
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: to our conclusion. Currently, several diseases appear to be on

978
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: the rise in certain communities in certain global regions due

979
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: to concerns about the perceived hidden dangers of vaccination. The

980
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: BBC sums it up in pretty well in uh in

981
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: a fairly troubling way. In Europe, more than forty one

982
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: people are infected with measles in the first six months.

983
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: That's nearly double the number of cases for the entirety

984
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: of last year. At that point that report was made,

985
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: in thirty seven people had already died measles was on

986
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: the rise in Serbia, Ukraine, Georgia, and Greece. In the US,

987
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: the number of children being exempted from vaccines also on

988
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: the rise. In Italy, the upper house of Parliament voted

989
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: through legislation to abolish the law that makes vaccines mandatory

990
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: for children before they start school. Despite this the area,

991
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: despite the media coverage, the only serious medical condition ever

992
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: linked to a vaccine was specific to the virus strain

993
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: used in the manufacture of that vaccine. And whenever we

994
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: talk about this sort of stuff, we have to treat

995
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: everyone's concerned seriously. We are talking about human lives here, right,

996
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: and both sides of the argument feel like they are

997
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: either saving lives or saving the quality of life for people.

998
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: So these are these are noble motives, right, But we

999
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: also have to ask ourselves about the motivations behind any

1000
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: possible conspiracy that would exist other than the Russian disinfo stuff,

1001
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: which is absolutely true. Again, not a theory that's happening.

1002
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: Be careful who you retweet first. Why would someone want

1003
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: to spread a disease or a medical condition through the

1004
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: false pretense of preventing another disease? Are there any proven

1005
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: cases of this tactic being deployed on a widespread scale,

1006
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: not that we can find. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

1007
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: That just means that they're hard to find and they're

1008
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: hard to prove. We do know that diseases, for instance,

1009
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: have been utilized as weapons of war ever since the

1010
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: days of old, when the bodies of plague victims were

1011
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: catapulted over walls during sieges. This species is not above

1012
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: using disease to kill each other on purpose, right, But

1013
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen a case of people doing that

1014
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: on purpose with vaccines. Because again, the thing with vaccines is,

1015
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: although they are not perfect, they do tend to save

1016
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: more lives than they and then they take and there

1017
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: you know that whole point. If they're not using that life, well,

1018
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: it's it's different the method of the methodology of creating

1019
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: the disease and using the disease to get someone else

1020
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: sixth very very very different. You have to keep that

1021
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: in mind when you're thinking about this. And the third

1022
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 1: question we have to ask your have have vaccinations ever

1023
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: actually been used for some kind of nefarious purpose, uh,

1024
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: whether some kind of experimental vaccination or you know, some

1025
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: other thing that we haven't even thought about yet. And

1026
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 1: that's an episode for another day. When we we talked

1027
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: about this already, we're talking about militaries using vaccines for

1028
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: certain things that we've actually gotten some Uh, we've gotten

1029
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: some emails some responses before from from UM from soldiers

1030
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: who have had to get vaccines and they were confused

1031
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: about how many there were just so many vaccines, the

1032
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: schedules strange, uh, talking about vaccines in prisons, on marginalized populations,

1033
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: and some of the stuff been you were mentioning already

1034
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: about your you know, your travels and how people feel

1035
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: about vaccines. There's a there's a lot more here to

1036
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: go into, yes and today for those of us listening.

1037
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: In the US, all fifties states have some sort of

1038
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: law requiring at the very least certain vaccines for students.

1039
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: There are exemptions based on medical reasons, religious exemptions. Seventeen

1040
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: states do allow parents to opt out based on personal

1041
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: or philosophical beliefs. And though we we mentioned UM New

1042
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: York already, but just yesterday as we're recording this, on

1043
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: June thirteenth, New York lawmakers they voted to end religious

1044
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: exemptions for immunizations, which has you know fully fully angered

1045
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: some of the some of the people in those communities

1046
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: that we were mentioning earlier, and um, they joined up

1047
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: with several other states right now California, Arizona, West Virginia, Mississippi,

1048
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: and Maine that do not allow exemptions on religious beliefs,

1049
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: which for some people still is you know, it's that

1050
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: other it's that don't tread on the idea, don't tell

1051
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: me what to do with my family. Uh So we

1052
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:02,479
Speaker 1: reach our conclusion here so far as we can tell,

1053
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: and so far as the bulk of research shows us,

1054
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: the majority of studies arguing for the efficacy of vaccination

1055
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: as well as the advantages of immunizing people to once

1056
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: fatal diseases, seem to be largely solid and their findings

1057
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: seem to be increasingly in agreement confirmed on multiple angles.

1058
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: The studies are reproducible and so on. And in contrast,

1059
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: the studies against vaccination overall have been largely debunked and

1060
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: the findings also don't seem to be reproducible, meaning that

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Speaker 1: the same conclusions without either purposefully or accidentally really screwing

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Speaker 1: At this point, we want to hear from you. Thank

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Speaker 1: in the South, are you for it or again it?

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Speaker 1: And why I just said and I'd like to point

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Speaker 1: current state of vaccinations it's not perfect. It is not

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Speaker 1: a perfect system, uh, no matter what you believe. But

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Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean that it is dangerous to you.

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Speaker 1: So just you, you know, just think about that, really

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Speaker 1: how these operations might be conducted in other countries, right,

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Speaker 1: So so it's possible there's something we need to hear

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