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Speaker 1: I can drink coaked coffee, no problem, but something about

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Speaker 1: infusing it with nitrogen. I'm really here for this. I'm

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Speaker 2: To infuse my home coffee with natrogen. That's what I'm

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Speaker 3: This is the only I never thought everybody, Hello, Hello Caitlin.

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Speaker 3: By the way, this is what I have to deal

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Speaker 3: with on a not a daily basis, because that's Claire

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Speaker 3: has to deal with that too much. But I am

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Speaker 3: welcome Caitlin to my apartment again. And another episode of

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Speaker 3: the Renae Stub Tennis podcasts. How do you feel about

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Speaker 3: that not being part of it? The name, you know,

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Speaker 3: considering you're on here half the time? Pretty much?

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Speaker 1: I feel fine, And I'll tell you why, because in

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Speaker 1: my Emperor justinian esque quest for power, I see this

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Speaker 1: a cabal, a collection, And just because not many of

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Speaker 1: those other jewels exist yet doesn't mean that it's not

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Speaker 1: part of a larger seismic shift. I see what I'm

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Speaker 1: interested in Renee is not audience facing shine.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in power. I want to hold the levers

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Speaker 2: and I want to pull them. Okay, So I don't

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Speaker 1: I feel great and I'm happy to be here in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you walked into my kitchen and want to demand

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Speaker 3: Tamps, which my friends, my longest best friends from Australia

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Speaker 3: So Heather, Heidi, Helen, Tracy and Rosemary are all over

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Speaker 3: which was amazing yesterday, Caitlin, and of those who are

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Speaker 3: I sort of don't want to tell people because it's

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Speaker 3: I do know some people, but I don't know if

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Speaker 3: The Yankees know how to figure out a way to win,

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Speaker 1: So, despite the fact that most of the sporting world

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Speaker 2: Very illustrious places.

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Speaker 1: We have, obviously, the tournament going on in Guadalajara, the

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Speaker 1: this week. The men are mostly in Europe. There was

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Speaker 2: I may even move here. You should move to Mexican.

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Speaker 2: People could not be nicer. The fans love a tennis They.

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Speaker 3: Are so enthusiastic as particularly for any Spanish speaking player.

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Speaker 3: one of the reasons I think why Muga Witha won

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Speaker 2: Hasn't won a match since, but played great India.

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Speaker 2: Everyone was loving it.

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Speaker 2: That's literally what happens. Like basketball team they unpack their bags.

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Speaker 3: San Diego after that tough loss, battles through a lot

440
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Speaker 3: of tough matches.

441
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, she had a struggling she had a cold in

442
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Speaker 2: the Czech Republic.

443
00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,639
Speaker 1: Honestly, when you say it's almost enough for me to

444
00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,720
Speaker 1: hear playing well well sick, I can't even like get

445
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,720
Speaker 1: my shoes on my feet while I'm sick, much less

446
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,120
Speaker 1: like play tennis, much less play tennis at a professional level.

447
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,680
Speaker 1: So I feel like it cannot be overstated how long

448
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,920
Speaker 1: this season is, how hard the demands of a tournament

449
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,280
Speaker 1: for two weeks straight are, where you have to wake up, train,

450
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:33,120
Speaker 1: warm up, prepare, perform, cool down. You're just it's such

451
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,200
Speaker 1: a full on experience and it goes on so long.

452
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,960
Speaker 1: So for somebody to like tell me I'm having a

453
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Speaker 1: cold and I just lost a three set match indoors

454
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Speaker 1: in the Czech Republic.

455
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm out. Yeah, I actually got to tell you,

456
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 2: happily for victory, she's coming.

457
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,040
Speaker 3: Over here for Guadalajara and you know, WTA finals and

458
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,040
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. But geez, if there was

459
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 3: ever a way to like pull the plug in a tournament,

460
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,199
Speaker 3: actually shocked and good for her to battle through for

461
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 3: sure that tournament.

462
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,159
Speaker 2: So way to go, eager. You just let everybody know

463
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 2: why you're the world's number one and why you're gonna

464
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 2: be around for a really long time because you're of

465
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 2: your commitment to the tour for sure, and that was announced.

466
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Speaker 1: And I think also, you know, thinking about that Donna

467
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,959
Speaker 1: Vecach match specifically, you know, she gets down, she loses

468
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,120
Speaker 1: a set, Donna played a brilliant second set. Eaga's level

469
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: dipped a little bit, and then you get this sense

470
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 1: when Ego gets in these three set situations. We saw

471
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,120
Speaker 1: it earlier in the tournament with my favorite gal Chin.

472
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Speaker 1: When you've seen it a number of times. Ego doesn't

473
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: go to three sets very often, but when she does.

474
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 2: You know, when she doesn't go three sets in the finals? Yeah,

475
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 2: almost never in the final ever, she's the last two

476
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 2: of being three sets.

477
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 1: IgA loses a set and sees it as like sort

478
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Speaker 1: of a motivation because she runs away with the third

479
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: sets usually. Yeah, it's really amazing, and we should address

480
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 1: because I caused I caused a Twitter conflagration.

481
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 2: You did, I did not me?

482
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 1: No Renee for not for once talking about Ego's pattern,

483
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 1: and I want to call it a pattern and not

484
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: anything else. Of throwing up her hands to seemingly distract

485
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 1: her opponents when they're trying to pass her at the net.

486
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: It's not against the rules, but it is something that

487
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: I called out as seeing something I would like to

488
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: see her stop doing. It's happened on a number of occasions,

489
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: I want to say, like maybe three or four.

490
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 2: There's a compilation video on the internet to her credit.

491
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 2: I called her out some of that.

492
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Speaker 3: Some of that stuff on that video was shit. Though

493
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 3: at the end it was like and it wasn't it.

494
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 3: I mean some of the there was some that were

495
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 3: not great, but there was some that were just like, okay,

496
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 3: what is that? Well, there were some like double bounces, Yeah,

497
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 3: but okay, So that one double bounce of the French

498
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 3: that was questionable, There's no question about it. But sometimes

499
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Speaker 3: when you put your head down, you're not quite sure

500
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 3: if your wreck it actually got under it.

501
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 2: So I'll give her the benefit of the doubt on

502
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Speaker 2: that one. I disagree. I think you always know when

503
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: it's double bounce, and I.

504
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 3: Like not when you not when you really really throw

505
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 3: your head out, when you throw your racket out.

506
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: And your head is down, that's questionable. That is what

507
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 2: the only time that's questionable. But I want to see

508
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: players fall that one of themselves.

509
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: If it hits your racket strings like fairly in the center,

510
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 3: then you probably know. So I would say that she

511
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: probably won't ever do that again.

512
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 2: I hope not.

513
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 1: And to her credit, she saw a lot of the

514
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 1: backlash and said, hey, Donna, great mash today. I'm sorry

515
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: for throwing my hands up at the net. And let's

516
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: hope it does it's not it doesn't continue. I don't

517
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: think it's a huge nos.

518
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 3: Along those lines, you and I we always have a

519
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 3: thoughtful conversation about things like this because I really feel

520
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 3: like I try to have empathy for the players.

521
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 2: I also try and have.

522
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 3: The empathy for players that I know are good people.

523
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 3: And for example, like Eager, she Untach is the nicest

524
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 3: kid you'll ever meet, Like just so respectful, so nice, beyond. Uh,

525
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: she's she's beyond, not a diva like all of the

526
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: things and so.

527
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: But she's a kid. She's twenty one. She is a kid.

528
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 3: She's learning all these things through the And you know,

529
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 3: I played doubles with somebody and I wrote this on

530
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: my Twitter feedback to you, and I played doubles with

531
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Speaker 3: somebody Kara Black, who was.

532
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 2: One of the greatest doubles players of all time. And

533
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: Kara used to do.

534
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: That's very similar thing when I hit my serve or

535
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: when I played against Kara, so she would sort of

536
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: throw her hands up to fake if she was going

537
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: or not. And there were times where I sorta noticed it,

538
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 3: but not really. You don't really notice it because when

539
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 3: you're hitting the ball, you don't really you can't really

540
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: see that.

541
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Speaker 2: You sort of see someone sort of move, but you

542
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: don't really see them. They don't really distract you in

543
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 2: that sense, but you do see them.

544
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Speaker 3: And in the w tare rules which I specifically read

545
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 3: before I wrote you back, which you'll be proud of me, because.

546
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Speaker 2: I'm proud of it. Normally I react and I don't

547
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: actually check the rule.

548
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: Look at you, I know, And not only did I

549
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: look it up, but I looked at the if and

550
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 3: are they different?

551
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: I looked up.

552
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 3: This is where I think, this is where the conversation

553
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: for today needs to go.

554
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 2: Yes, Eager learned. Maybe she won't do it anymore.

555
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: I do think it's a bit of a sort of

556
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: like a little tick for her to do now, you know,

557
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: And you've got to get out of that, like you

558
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: do these habit habitual things, and it's a habitual thing

559
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: where she's trying to fake if she's going here or

560
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 3: going there. I mean Kirby used to do that sometimes

561
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 3: as well when you played dead and she would like,

562
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: you know, it's all a little bit of a little

563
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 3: bit of gamesmanship. But really in the rule book it's

564
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: there's nothing in there. So I read the IF rule

565
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 3: book about hindrance, and that is not in there, like

566
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 3: hindrance with your hands now it's hindrance. Sure it says hindrance,

567
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 3: But what's hindrance to the umpire? Right, So that's up

568
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: to the umpire. I read the WTA, but it's like

569
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: it's even more ambiguous. It's like, ah, you know, if

570
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: your hat drops off your head, if you're if you're

571
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 3: wearing a towel on your skirt, for example, and it

572
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: falls on the ground, or a ball comes out of

573
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Speaker 3: your pocket. Sure there are all hindrances that the umpire

574
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Speaker 3: can be like, h hindrance warning if that happens again,

575
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 3: you're gonna lose a point.

576
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: Right, That's all the stuff that we used to.

577
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: But there's no hand waving hindrance. Now, there's nothing in

578
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 3: there saying if you yell, come on yeah, right, Like

579
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 3: and Serena and.

580
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: That has been called on Serena and that it's led

581
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: to some very intense.

582
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 3: It is, but also Serena knows that Serena knew that

583
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: she was wrong because later on that same year, so

584
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 3: the infamous one was against Sam Stosa, she lost the

585
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: game and lost her shit. And but months maybe a

586
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 3: couple months later, she did it in Doha in the

587
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: WTA finals and it was a really bad one and

588
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 3: she looked at the unpote she goes, I know, like

589
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 3: she knew, right, so she said, come on, and the

590
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: girl I don't know, I think might have been against

591
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: Wisniyaki and she got to just like and she and

592
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: there's like start hindrance and Serena just looks at unpaper.

593
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 3: I know, yeah, so you know you kind of there

594
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 3: are things that happened like that was a tick for Serena,

595
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 3: Oh my god, because she would say.

596
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: Come on, So she's trying to fare herself up.

597
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I think that this gray area exists

598
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Speaker 1: because when you're an extremely compared a person in an

599
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: extremely competitive environment.

600
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: I'm thinking back to D one tennis that.

601
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: I played, girls are squiggling their feet trying to stutter step.

602
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: Is that a hindrance, Well is it? Or who does

603
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: that all the time? Your favorite? I don't know who

604
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: my favorite is. I have so many favorites.

605
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: Oh she does do that, right, and so people would

606
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: say about her all the time. I would say that

607
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: she's squeaking a fate before I call it, But then

608
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: you watch her practice and she doesn't.

609
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: So it's just the theme again.

610
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: I think in the case of what I want to commend,

611
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: and we also what I want to discuss. So I

612
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: think you're The point you're making, which I agree with,

613
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: is the less ambiguity the better. And more importantly to me,

614
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: which is not that we shouldn't address ambiguity, we should,

615
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, rules and conversations should I think consistently evolve,

616
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: which is where is the line between competitive and hinder

617
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: hindering an opponent, and where is a good faith conversation

618
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: about intentions going to take place? What I saw from Ego,

619
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Speaker 1: which was she got called that it's not the first time,

620
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: and it's and you know, it's it's been a bit

621
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: of an open conversation and she immediately was like, oh, yeah, sorry,

622
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: I shouldn't do that.

623
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: Great, that's a.

624
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: Fantastic end result because to me that indicates her intention

625
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: is not to hinder. It's just she's in a competitive

626
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: headspace and and it probably is a little bit of

627
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: a maybe a leftover from junior tennis. But I think

628
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: for me, what I want to really get into is

629
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: what the sort of good faith conversation about that that

630
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: can sort of happen with tennis fandoms and on the

631
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: internet and commentators and all this sort of stuff, because I.

632
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: Think that's everywhere. But before we get into that, we

633
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: get some partisanship.

634
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: I do want to stress also that until a player

635
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 3: that EGA is playing against complains about that, it's a

636
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 3: non starter. So fans need to shut the fuck up sometimes.

637
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: With shit like this, because.

638
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 3: If Donna had complained about that and and or has

639
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: said something about her actions, then you can say, Okay, well.

640
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: She was clearly distracted that killing.

641
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 3: But if Donna just turns around and just walks away

642
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: and doesn't say any exampire, why are you getting your panties.

643
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: In a twist? Not you. I'm not yelling at you,

644
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: even though you did get your panties. I did twist, yeah,

645
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: But you see what I'm saying.

646
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: Like, so I come from the player's perspective of Okay,

647
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 3: I'm a fan as well. When I watch sometimes and

648
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, that was bush League. But then I'm like,

649
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 3: wait a second. Donna had no problem with it, so.

650
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: What do I have a problem.

651
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: Although people are paling on Donna right now because a

652
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: photographer posted a picture of Donna saying what is she

653
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: thinking about? And someone said how she should have drilled

654
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: Eager in the chest after that handweaving incident, and Donna

655
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: responded with laughing emojis, and now everyone's like, well, Donna's

656
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: condoning violin.

657
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Speaker 2: No is that Donna's the funniest. They're just funny. Like

658
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: I just think everybody's the funny, your co workers for

659
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: the most person.

660
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: Exactly, We're not going to attribute beefs to them unless

661
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: they come out.

662
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: She didn't ride back and go yeah I will next time. Yeah, Yeah,

663
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: She was like funny, it's funny.

664
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think what I want to sort of get.

665
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: Into, she didn't need a driller because she's the point

666
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: and she had a great passage.

667
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: So my point point is everyone com the fomb until

668
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: the PLI starts speaching about it.

669
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: I including, well, I don't agree with you, but I

670
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: think what I can agree with.

671
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: Is there we go, there's that y what I do?

672
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: What I do want to sort of address and I've

673
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: gotten into it. This is a new fandom that I've

674
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: made upset.

675
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: I've made that Nadal fandom very upset before, I've made

676
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: the Djokovic fandom extremely upset.

677
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: All you make the Djokovic who doesn't upset on who

678
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: doesn't make alive?

679
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listen, if you're not consistently praising Novak

680
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: Djokovic for something every single day, you're anti Novak Jokovic,

681
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: I think, and those guys kind of deserve to be

682
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: treated in their own sort of vacuum, which.

683
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: Is they've I think lost the plot in a lot

684
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: of ways.

685
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: But I think when it comes to fandoms and standems, uh,

686
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Serena's fans have been like this. You know, anybody who's

687
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: really really good as Ega is, as Serena is, as

688
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: Novak is, as Nadal is, and et cetera, there is

689
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: sort of And again this is mostly speaking about tennis

690
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: Twitter t T for short, which is maybe not anyone's

691
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: best venue for being their best self, No myself included, Yez,

692
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: I don't know how you wanna talk about your own

693
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: Twitter presence, But I'll just say definitely myself, it's not

694
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: necessarily my best venue. I think there's a tendency to

695
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: devolve into worship, and to me, I don't mind so

696
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: much people blindly loving one player as much as I like,

697
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: as I don't like the idea of having a lack

698
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: of good faith engagement with other people where there's some

699
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: sort of like, hey, it is possible to both really

700
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: like a player but also have a valid criticism of

701
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: that player. Do I like EGA's game? Absolutely? Do I

702
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: love her clothes? Nope, I don't like them on Coco Vandaway.

703
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't like those A six clothes when you know

704
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: Juliah Gordon Jurgis used to wear them like they're just ugly.

705
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: Can I say her game is pretty in her closer ugly?

706
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: I think so, And I would hope most reasonable people

707
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, that's an opinion you have, well,

708
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: because you.

709
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: Might use you want to make her game her clothes

710
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: look as good as her game.

711
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: There you go, her clothes should look as That's exactly right.

712
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: And similarly, when I've when I've critiqued something about Rafa,

713
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: for example, the foul you have always hitted Rafa, It's

714
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: like in what world. We had a conversation over that,

715
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: and I was listening over just recently to some.

716
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: Of our back episodes.

717
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: You had a point that I vehemently agreed with about

718
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: how any player chucking a racket. In the case that

719
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: we were discussing, it was Bagu, but it's happened many

720
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: times with players. If you chuck a racket and it

721
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: comes close to hitting fans, if it comes close to

722
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: hitting umpires, ball kids, lines, people, anybody for whom this

723
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: no no.

724
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: If.

725
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: My thing was, if you throw a racket and it

726
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: ends up in the crowd, you're done. Default, even if

727
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: it's no one sitting there.

728
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: Default.

729
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: You are a professional tennis player. You know how to

730
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: throw a racket, and you know what throwing a racket

731
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: what is capable of happening? Yeah, you can serious control yourself.

732
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: And I listen, Renee stops not the best advocate for

733
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: keeping your shit together on the tennis court, probably one.

734
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: Of the worst. But I was not a racket thrower.

735
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: Will you see this from experience? Definitely say this from experience.

736
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 3: I've had point penalties, I've never had a game penalty,

737
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: and I've never been defaulted for a match.

738
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: But I have pushed the envelope a lot.

739
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: And I'm swear to God, every Gold Badge that's working

740
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: today had to do my match to get.

741
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: Through to the Gold Badge area. I'm not kidding you.

742
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: Like literally, sometimes I would see a new umpire in

743
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: the chair and then I would see one of the

744
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: Gold Badge because they all get graded. I would see

745
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: one of the Gold Badge graded umpires sitting in the

746
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: stands watching the match, and I'd literally look at them.

747
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: And be like, Oh, it's testing time. Interesting, you know.

748
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: So I mean, listen, I know what next, gartlet it is.

749
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: You got to get through me. It's in a match

750
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: to get your Gold Badge. Because I will push every

751
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: button on the court. And so it's with experience that

752
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: you say. It's with experience and know what it's like

753
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: to lose your mind and lose your temper and not

754
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: be able to control yourself sometimes. And I absolutely pushed

755
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: every one of those boundaries. And I can say that

756
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: if I threw my racket and it went into the

757
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: ground and the ump I said that's it, Renee, I

758
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: would go I would be pissed. I would make an

759
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: argument for it. But I know that that is a rule.

760
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: I would be like, I'm done. Like if I hit

761
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: a ball like Djokovic did a couple of years ago

762
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: and wasn't blatantly looking to see if anyone was back there,

763
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: and I just pinged it back there, which he did

764
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: and it hit lines, lady, I would know that I'd

765
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: be defaulted in a matter of three seconds. There wouldn't

766
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: be a conversation that was had at the US Open that.

767
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: I mean, that was a fucking joke with them coming out.

768
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: I was like, there's no, there's no everybody who plays

769
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: it's a blank junior tennis rule, kyloge tennis, recreational tennis.

770
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: If you hit a thing, whether that's a ball or

771
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: a racket, that it's out and if somebody didn't see it.

772
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: I mean that's and your point is like that situation.

773
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: I mean, the Novak fans just were because I was

774
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: very adamant on ESPN that day that.

775
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: It's a it's just a cut. There's no ambiguity in

776
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: this rule. And it was like, oh, he didn't do

777
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: it in anger, what are you talking about. I'm like,

778
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: I us a manner. First of all, it was in

779
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: he was upset.

780
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: And I'm convinced to this day he was trying to

781
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: hit it towards his box, which he does all the time,

782
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: and he forgot that there were lines, lady, there was

783
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: lines of people back there.

784
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: I really do.

785
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: I don't think he had any intention clearly of hitting anyone.

786
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: So Tennis got Yeah, I think he was trying to

787
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: make it. He was trying to fling it at.

788
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 3: His box, which as I said, he does all the time,

789
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: and he fucked up, and that was.

790
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: The Yeah, he got unlucky.

791
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: But after a certain point, I mean you've seen I've

792
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: seen him, God.

793
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: Throw his racket into the stands at the Olympics.

794
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: I would have defaulted him for that, even though there

795
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: was zero spectators at the Olympic.

796
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: But I mean the list is long, right, I mean

797
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: Nick Currios, like Tre's.

798
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: Curios, has gotten defaulted from tournaments and deserved it, including

799
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: that one in Italy where he went after the empire,

800
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I have no tolerance for any player who

801
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: does it. And that's what I want to kind of

802
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: talk about in terms of the context of standem the

803
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: difference between being a fan and a stand If you're

804
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: a fan, you like tennis, maybe you have your favorites.

805
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: Of of course we all kind of do, but you

806
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: can understand generally the argument and enjoy the greater contract.

807
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: The fact that.

808
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: Novak's fans didn't think he should have been defaulted in

809
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: that and the abuse I copped for that, it was

810
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: just weird.

811
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: Every single one of the people on risdiculous.

812
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I just want to differentiate the difference between fan

813
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: somebody who obviously has their favorites, they understand the game,

814
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: maybe they.

815
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: Like certain players more than others, and a Stan.

816
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: A Stan is somebody named after the eminem song who

817
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: blindly supports one player to the end of the earth

818
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: in a way that I would argue is net negative, destructive, obsessive,

819
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: in a way that I think lessens the enjoyment of

820
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: other people of that of that fan.

821
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: Try you feel hurt, don't you? You've been abused.

822
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: I didn't see that one coming because I didn't think

823
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: it was particularly I didn't think it was particularly egregious.

824
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: I think most people you didn't realize that there was

825
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: Stan Eagers.

826
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: I love that their standing egos. Actually, I think this

827
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: girl's name had Eager in it. Yeah, g was like

828
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: a different letter or something.

829
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: Anyway, I appreciate that every player now is especially somebody

830
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: as good as Ego is getting their due in terms

831
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: of having a diverted fan base. I would just say,

832
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: don't be a stand such that you are blinded to

833
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: the faults of your own player, such that you can't

834
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: hold them to a higher standard, as which I.

835
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: Think we should all be doing. You know who don't

836
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: have stands pickleball players get out of here.

837
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: They don't deserve them, they don't have them, And we'll

838
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: leave it at that. Anything else we should address before.

839
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: On the stands, No, just generally, did I mention Blinkover?

840
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: You didn't.

841
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: I didn't mention that, did I because we were talking

842
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: about sort of journey women, which I hate that word.

843
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: But Anna Blinkover, who has no flag next to her name,

844
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: obviously because we know where she's from, but.

845
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: She is the nicest kid in the world.

846
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: Like when you see to the point where I'll give

847
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 3: you a little story so to you last year in Cincinnati,

848
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: when Sam and Shue won the doubles in Cincinnati, they

849
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 3: played blink Over, I believe in the quarters or the semis,

850
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: I'm not sure which one, and my girls were down

851
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: a set and five one five to one. Okay, and

852
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: they came back and won that match and then therefore

853
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: ended up winning the tournament. And then one that you

854
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: was open too.

855
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah right, So that was like a massive

856
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: comeback for them, and they were down the hole. One

857
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: could argue it. It started to read at that.

858
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: So who did they play and that one of that

859
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: blink over? Okay, they choked so bad in this match

860
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: and Sam and that came back. This kid, I see

861
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: her five minutes after the match. I think, I mean,

862
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: for me, I'd kill myself. I would be walking back

863
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 3: to the hotel. There's no chance I'd be talking to people,

864
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: would not be allowed to be cut. But they just

865
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: stay away from me for at least forty eight hours.

866
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: I see this girl. She it could not be nicer.

867
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: She's smiling, She's like, oh, it was a good match.

868
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: Good match. I'd be like, good match. She was so sweet.

869
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: When I say sweet, I mean so nice. Good luck

870
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 2: in the next match.

871
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: And also, oh my god, I'm gonna lie you remember,

872
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: And I always liked her even up until that point,

873
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: but then since that moment, I mean, just the nicest

874
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: kid you'll ever meet. And the fact she got through

875
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: qualifying as well. So we almost had two players get

876
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 3: through qualies and win the tournament.

877
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 2: This is include the Transylvania Open.

878
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. That's good branding they had. They

879
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: need a tournament song. But I'm into this.

880
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: Everybody owning there Reminia, I'm.

881
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: Dangn to go to Romania and okay, well, you know,

882
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: I'll talk to Hallip, thank you.

883
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: She'll probably get you. Yeah, yeah, get me the Antiac's

884
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: privat yet all that, I'll go. Then i'd go then yeah,

885
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: then I'm.

886
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 3: Sure that privage have a lot of one eight hundred.

887
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: Definitely call me crazy ship. Anyway, So blink over and

888
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 3: are well done?

889
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: So good?

890
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: I mean this kid, you know, she's on the edge

891
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: of like getting into slams and getting crappy drawers, and.

892
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: You know, and then all of a sudden gets through

893
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 2: qualifying here and it has.

894
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: A great event, and then we'll move her ranking up,

895
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: gets her into Grand Slams, which is so important for place.

896
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: That's where they make their dough. When we who where

897
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: are her stands? Where are her stands? Let's hear it

898
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: from if you there's probably a few blink over stands.

899
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: If we hear from you, I don't think she'll allow

900
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 2: stands good. She's a nice kid, she's a nice down

901
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: but anyway, so yeah, I think that's we're wrapped up,

902
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: all right.

903
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: Well, we got to talk about the finals next. We'll

904
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: see that for another week. Yep, the A T, P

905
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: and w T finals are looming. People are still qualifying.

906
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: It's exciting looming. They're looming, and you know other people

907
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: are already in, like the Maldives on vacation. This is

908
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: my funny part of this is the funny part of

909
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: the season where like half of.

910
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 3: Where's Peko when we needed a picture about the tennis

911
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 3: plays and the maldis running into everybody. Although give the

912
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: Maldi's a hard time. It's the best place in the

913
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: world to go, but just not all at the same time.

914
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: They will continue sinking.

915
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: But it's in the middle of the world, so you

916
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: know Europeans can go. I'm seeing nothing mutual time. Have

917
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: you been to the Maldi No, I would, That's not

918
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: the kind of place I would go.

919
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: Really. No, the QC SPA, though I would go to SPA.

920
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: Shout out to Governor's Island Governors, your Australians have arrived.

921
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 2: Yes, part of us we're going to Worsbog today.

922
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 1: Bye.