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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuff

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Speaker 1: I Never told you, production by Heart Radio, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to another episode of our seven part mini series on

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Speaker 1: the last of Us Season two.

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Speaker 2: Only two more left, everybody after this one? Oh? I know?

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Speaker 2: So this is follow up to our season one reactions

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Speaker 2: that we did. And the way that this works is

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Speaker 2: that Samantha and I watched the episode together when it

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Speaker 2: comes out on Sunday, and then we record this the

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Speaker 2: following week, and then the episode comes out the Saturday

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Speaker 2: before the previous episode, So spoilers the previous the next episode,

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Speaker 2: so spoilers for what has come out in season two already,

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Speaker 2: season one, first game and parts of the second game,

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Speaker 2: although I'm trying to avoid plot points, but it's getting

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Speaker 2: difficult so that I am ready to burst at the seams.

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Speaker 3: Also, the timing is changing, like the way that they

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Speaker 3: kind of look and what we know of it, and

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Speaker 3: like but we don't know of it, and I say

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Speaker 3: we being new and me asking questions.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but it's also getting too. It's getting to the

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Speaker 2: finale that I have. I'm just I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about all of it, so I want it all to

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Speaker 2: be out already, So we can talk about it, but

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Speaker 2: we can't. So today we're talking about the most recent episode,

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Speaker 2: which at this point is episode five. Content orning I

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Speaker 2: suppose for violence. It's pretty violent show and game. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what we're doing. We're not doing sex in the

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Speaker 2: City reactions or fiction episodes during this time because that's

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Speaker 2: more work on Christina. But as mentioned, yeah, there's only

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Speaker 2: seven episodes in this only two more. I do want

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Speaker 2: to put in here at this point because I do

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Speaker 2: think I know what's gonna happen in the finale. Please remember,

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Speaker 2: there's a season three.

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Speaker 3: This is a season everybody's so angry anyway, So I know.

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Speaker 2: Well, we all knew what was going to happen.

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Speaker 3: We all knew. We all people who've watched the game

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Speaker 3: played the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they did call it their Empire strikes Back season, which,

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Speaker 2: if you remember the Empire Strikes Back, it was not

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Speaker 2: popular when it first came out. Was people were so mad. So, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, give it time, give it time, rewatch when

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Speaker 2: it all comes out, I promise you the rewatch is

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Speaker 2: gonna be worth it. Okay, okay, m So the way

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Speaker 2: that these work is Samantha gives a recap, which if

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Speaker 2: you somehow missed all of this, one of the reasons

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Speaker 2: we're doing it is this is like my favorite game,

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Speaker 2: and I've made Samantha watch me play it more than once.

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Speaker 2: I am convinced more than ever. I actually could make

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Speaker 2: some money playing it because a lot of people want

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Speaker 2: to see the game versus the show.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, that's the thing. I just actually read an

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Speaker 3: article about how people are feeling a little not jilted necessarily,

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Speaker 3: but like they the difference is so different, like so

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Speaker 3: much that people were like, but no, it's better when

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Speaker 3: you watch it, and that they said that the hour

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Speaker 3: they tallied that most people who are gamers have spent

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Speaker 3: more time watching the game people playing the game than

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Speaker 3: playing the actual game. Not necessarily for you, but no

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Speaker 3: other people's any I'm pretty good, good, but also you

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Speaker 3: are that person that people watch.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I do pick up all the notes and

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Speaker 2: all of this stuff. Well, anyway, we'll we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that bore in a second. So saman think it's the

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Speaker 2: recap and then yeah, I go through my thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so let's do this recap.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: We are on episode five and we open up to

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Speaker 3: seeing once again Henry hann Alana Ubach. She is a

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Speaker 3: Seala's in, Yes, it's in the air, and Cela's in

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Speaker 3: Right now, very real, very real Dina even at one

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Speaker 3: They came after them the day after they snuck out,

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Speaker 2: game where Ellie kills Nouram, I cry almost every time

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00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: I play it. It is miserable you have to do it,

429
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: and it makes you like press the button to do

430
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: it over and over and over. It's horrible. And almost

431
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: everyone I know who played the game had to stop

432
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: at that point and like, go outside, Arla, do something else.

433
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: And so this is really interesting to me because they've

434
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: seen a lot of reactions to the show and they're like, yeah,

435
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: get her very I'm curious. I'm curious what it will be.

436
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: But that kind of celebrating violence is sort of the

437
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: reason I don't like a lot of revenge stuff. It

438
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: just makes me uncomfortable.

439
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: But I'm wondering if that's I mean, honestly, I think

440
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: that's the main point part, Like people are like, this

441
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: doesn't hit nearly as well as the game, Like they're

442
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: trying their best, but it never will because you're watching

443
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: it as a show and not playing it as the player, right,

444
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 3: which is kind of that mention.

445
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and I think that, I mean, I

446
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: think it's it was still very upseting, but it's just

447
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: it is different when you're playing it and you have

448
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: to be like, I don't want to do this. I

449
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 2: don't want to do this anymore. That was That was

450
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: a miserable. That was Yeah, I had to stop. I

451
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: had to stop, and I hate stopping video games. I

452
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: want to know how the story goes. But also, yes,

453
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: this is the thing that I'm honestly not entirely sure

454
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: why people are so into. But the introduction of spores.

455
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: So we do get the spores in this episode. They

456
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 2: were in the game. I don't they didn't include them

457
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: in the show. I believe for two main reasons. Masks

458
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: over actors face all the time is not the most

459
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: cinematic thing. But also, I think I talked about this

460
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: in the first season. In the game, it's kind of

461
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: clear this is a spor area and this is not

462
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: a spore area. But if you kind of extrapolate out

463
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: from that, why how do I know that, Like it

464
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: could be in the air right now. So I think

465
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 2: that's one reason they haven't introduced them yet. I do

466
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 2: think that's also a reason they were like, it is

467
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: in this area, right it hasn't come out through the events.

468
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: This is where it is. But we do get that

469
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: really heartbreaking scene which I thought was great of han

470
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: Rahn kind of interrogating Eliza. I believe her name was

471
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 2: about this, and we don't know as the viewer until

472
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: the end that Leon is her son, and so that

473
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: was a really good review. But you could tell and

474
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: Eliza mentioned Leon, hand Rahann became much more like, oh, okay,

475
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: so this wasn't a treason.

476
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: This thing.

477
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: This was a real bad thing that just happened. Very serious.

478
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: But this is another area where you're kind of going

479
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: back to the beginning because this hospital was ground zero

480
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: for Seattle and for a lot of places. So when

481
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: you explore this hospital, you can find a lot of

482
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: notes about, oh, we don't know what to do. No

483
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: one's telling us anything from doctors, nurses, patients, all that stuff.

484
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: And then so many people were dying. They put them

485
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: in the basement and they didn't know it was really contagious,

486
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: so they didn't know. But then they piled them on

487
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: top of each other and they sort of became this mass.

488
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: But this like, we're going back to the beginning, and

489
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: the episode does that too, because you go back to

490
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: that same space where you started. But yeah, and you

491
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: can tell. It's horrifying because you don't really have this

492
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: in the game, but having the people who are breathing

493
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: out the spores and who are just sort of being

494
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: used to breathe out the spores. One of them is Leon,

495
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: but one of them is somebody in scrubs who's presumably

496
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: been there since at break day. That's hm, that's horrible.

497
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: That's horrible. It's also clearly a very quick infection because

498
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: when Eliza's telling story, she says, you know, five minutes

499
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: had passed between Leon saying he was okay to oh no,

500
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: seal it. Oh. So that's scary. Also, this made me

501
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: think of one of the greatest friend actions you've ever

502
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: done for me, Samantha, when we went to the Hunted

503
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: the Last of Us Haunted House in La they had spores.

504
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: They had like a little you would walk in a

505
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: room and you could see the sports and it was

506
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: really cool. It was a really cool effect. But also

507
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: our friend Marissa, she one time we were playing this

508
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: game and she got an idea and if you know Marissa,

509
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: let me tell you, when she gets an idea, it

510
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: is there. And she wanted to do a Haunted house

511
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: of this part the hospital. She was like, this is it.

512
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: Here's how we're.

513
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: Going to do. I have a plan, this is what

514
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: we're doing.

515
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: Oh And we kept like kind of moving on and

516
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: then she would suddenly be like, but we could also

517
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: do it was great, It was great. But also, this

518
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: is what Ellie sees in the basement is a very

519
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: advanced stage of infection. And we've seen some of those stages.

520
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: You've got your runners, you got your Stockers, the smart one,

521
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: you got air bloater. This is a different thing. They do.

522
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: The infected adapt based on environment. So if you're near water,

523
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: they look and act differently, if you're near snow, they

524
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: look and act differently. I hate to do it, but

525
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: I got to do it. They're really teasing this Ratking thing.

526
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: So when Ellie turns on the power this is a

527
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: horrible idea in the game. You turn on that generator,

528
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: they all be coming.

529
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: That's so low, That's what I'm saying this, Why would

530
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: you do this?

531
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: Yes, but I've mentioned in the game you can hear

532
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: the rat King if you know what you're listening for.

533
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: There is something that sounds like it. They do have

534
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: the same soundscaping, but I don't I think it's a

535
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: reach to say it's actually the rat King, but we

536
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: must we must acknowledge B one, B two, what's in

537
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: B three. Yeah, this is not the end of the

538
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: hospital for sure. This also, okay, brings us to Dina's pregnancy.

539
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: Like I said, she's handling it way better than she

540
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: did in the game. She was like so sick with

541
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: morning sickness all of the time. But we get this

542
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: story of her first kill in response to Ellie being like,

543
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have brought you here when I was thinking

544
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: she has a story like that in the game that

545
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: she mentions in passing and it's after So in the game,

546
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: Tommy went first and then Ellie and Dina follow after

547
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: Tommy and they find it's in that but hotel that

548
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: you stated that I didn't get to go to Hotels Wind.

549
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: It was like a three day later where I was like, yeah,

550
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: we just went to say that this really nice and

551
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: sell You're like what.

552
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: I was like, what it's like the only location on

553
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: my last one was two map I didn't go to

554
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: and so.

555
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: We did it vicariously for you too.

556
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: But anyway, you go in there and you find these

557
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: bodies who have been tortured in the way that you

558
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: know Joel does it from the first game, and Ellie's like, oh,

559
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: it was Tommy and this is how it works. And

560
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: later she says to Tina, I hope you're not judging

561
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: Tommy too harshly for this, and Dina says, no, if

562
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: I had the people who killed my sister tied to

563
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: a chair and would have done worse. So that's kind

564
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: of the extent of what she says, but it is

565
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: like another the reminder of the whole, like trauma on

566
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 2: top of trauma, because she says like, it doesn't matter

567
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: if if my family had done something something to them first,

568
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: would I have cared? No, But then you're creating that

569
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: trauma for someone else, so it just keep keeps going.

570
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: But she did give Ellie the choice where she was like,

571
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: I will go back if you want. I'll keep going

572
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: if you want, which I thought was interesting because so

573
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: far she has been much more into the let's avenged

574
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: ol thing than she is in the game. But she

575
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: did she was like, if I die, that's on me.

576
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: Take that out of the equation. Do you want to

577
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: keep going? I will go And I love that scene.

578
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: Bella Ramsay did so great in that scene because Ellie

579
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, I do, let's keep going. But this

580
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: is this is where so many of the like moral

581
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: quandaries and arguments of the last one was coming, because

582
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 2: you're like, well, Abby saw this thing, and she did this,

583
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: and Ellie wasn't supposed to be there, but they did

584
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: do it even though Ellie was there, Like you just

585
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: get stuck in the cycle of dns. But Dina does

586
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: say I would have hunted him down forever, which I'm

587
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: just gonna say is very ominous. Also, yes, Dina is

588
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: your map person. She is the best. They've really leaned

589
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: into this whole dynamic of Dina being the smart one

590
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: and Ellie being the barn and she is I mean

591
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 2: in a game, she is. She's the one that's making

592
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: the plays and like, no, we shouldn't do this, but

593
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: they've really leaned into it. In the show. They also

594
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: have a moment they don't have in the game where

595
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: Dina says, you know, you're kind of crazy, but that's

596
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: why I love you, and Ellie's like, oh love me,

597
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: which is very sweet, very see once again feel her love,

598
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: but also once again fear of ending up alone, which

599
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: is Ellie's biggest fear, and I think this is kind

600
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: of why she is going back and forth about Dina

601
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: and pretty much sacrificing herself. At that scene with the Stalkers,

602
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: she was like, yeah, if one of us can live,

603
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: I want you to live. So we have that, then, yes,

604
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: we do have the theater. The theater, as we've said,

605
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: is like your bass. It's really visually interesting. I love it.

606
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: And Ellie plays the song the song which is Future

607
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: Days by Pearl Jam, and by the way, Pearl Jam

608
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 2: not only loves this, has given their full signature on it,

609
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: they are releasing a Last of Us album.

610
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: They did a pre release immediately after this episode. Like

611
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: I saw that from someone who was like a giant

612
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: fan of Pearl Jam, was like, what the hell, why

613
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: would you exploit this?

614
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: I just bought it. I'm like, you do it, man.

615
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: I love it. And the song at the end of

616
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: the credits is present sense. It's Pearl Jim song. Yeah yeah,

617
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: but anyway, the song in question, future Days I'd Surely

618
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: Lose Myself, is the song they used in the main

619
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: trailer for the second season, but it is a song

620
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: that is like the heart of a lot of the game.

621
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 2: It is a through line throughout. As we've said, Ellie

622
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: clearly has this connection to music. A part of her

623
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: connects to it because of Joel, and Joel taught her

624
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: how to play the guitar and he taught her this.

625
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: And when she is singing it, she can't finish it, like,

626
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: can't even get through the first line. And if you

627
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: haven't heard this song, she says, basically, if I ever

628
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: were to lose you, I'd surely lose myself. So she

629
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: tries to sing that and then she can't. Oh that song.

630
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: I don't think that song will ever. There's a lot

631
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: of her Oh God, yes, I think we Then we

632
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: have the maybe not that's different question, different quote.

633
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've seen things we've seen. Then Nora say, we

634
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 3: let you survive.

635
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: Uh, she says, we let you live, we let you live.

636
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we've got something that says we let you live,

637
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 3: not not dot Yeah, but not that one.

638
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets me. I remember we were in Seattle

639
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: when that trailer came out and I texted you and

640
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: your partner and I was just like the sad crying

641
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 2: face and your partner was like it was the song,

642
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: wasn't it? And I was like, Yes, it's gonna be.

643
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: It's gonna be throughout and I do love it. Anyway,

644
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: we also get the introduction the reintroduction of Jesse and Tommy.

645
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: As mentioned, Tommy and the game is already causing chaos,

646
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 2: and here it's implied Jesse. It's implied. It's said Jesse

647
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: and Tommy split up and they're gonna meet Tommy in

648
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 2: the morning and then go back to Jackson, to which

649
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: Ellie is like, oh what, no thanks, And then Dina

650
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: interestingly is like Ellie because I think she realized they

651
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: almost died right there. They've bitten off more than they

652
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: can chew and they can't do this. But Ellie is

653
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: like nope. But Jesse does come back, kind of similarly

654
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: in the games. It's actually really cool scene. They couldn't

655
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: have done it in the show, but it was a

656
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: really cool like the car is going out of control

657
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: and you're fighting, and anyway, I am very happy he

658
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: showed up. And they also did the thing I mentioned,

659
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: which is in the trailers or they were gaslighting all

660
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: of us, or they made you think that Joel survived

661
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: and it was Jesse at that point where Ellie thinks

662
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: she's hurt and she's kind of not seeing straight and

663
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: she sees Jesse she thinks it's Joel for a minute,

664
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: and that I think is a throwback too. Yeah, we

665
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: remember what we did. You we haven't forgotten. I know

666
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: you haven't, but I do, like I don't know, Like

667
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 2: I said, I just really like the dynamic between Jesse, Dina,

668
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: and Ellie. I think it's really interesting. I like that

669
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: there's no real enemy, even if they get mad at

670
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: each other, and in here, I really think it's interesting

671
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: that Ellie is jealous that Jesse protected Dina where Ellie couldn't,

672
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: and he's mad because he's like, this could have been

673
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: completely prevented. This was so ridiculous. And as we mentioned,

674
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: we don't know how he voted in that council mode,

675
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: but we suspect he said no. So it's just a

676
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: really interesting dynamic that I enjoy. This is also where

677
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: you kind of as a player in the game. You

678
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: start getting through the walkie talkie, you start hearing rumors

679
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: of an intruder and outsider who you presume to be

680
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: yourself Ellie, but then is Tommy and Jesse and you,

681
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: but there's like all this stuff. You're the chattery you're

682
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: hearing on the radio and they're freaking out. But okay,

683
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: this brings us to Nora's death. The big thing of

684
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: this episode. As I said, this was a devastating This

685
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: was devastating in the game, everybody, I know how to

686
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 2: pause it and stop. And you get the scene where

687
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: you see Ellie choosing this revenge on Nora and Abby

688
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: over Dina and Jesse because she doesn't know Dina and

689
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: Jesse are safe. We don't know, we don't know. She

690
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: just saw the hospital thought about it. It was like,

691
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm going, I'm gonna get Nora, and they have that

692
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: really intense conversation which is pretty much lined for line

693
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: and have the chase is pretty much just like the game.

694
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: And I had to use your partner a lot because

695
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: he dies at places I assume you could never die,

696
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: but I did diet this part and I didn't know

697
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: you could, so I'll give him that. Basically, if you

698
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: don't follow her quickly enough, she's throwing a lot of

699
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: like roadblocks at you, you lose. It's not necessarily you die,

700
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 2: it's just like you up. So that's the end of that, right,

701
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 2: But it's I think one of the reasons. It's so painful,

702
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: is what Nora said was awful. It was like really terrible,

703
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: and you chase her and you're just filled with this

704
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: righteous rage and then you find her and you're standing

705
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: over her in this red light and you have this

706
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: steel pipe that looks like a golf club purposely, and

707
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: it's this character that you played when she was like

708
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: a child and she was, you know, making these puns

709
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: and still very dangerous but relatively innocent for this world.

710
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: And to see this like transformation just horrible. There's a

711
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: there's a great like gift you can find of the

712
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: way her face transforms and that like rage. And then

713
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: it's just focused on her face, on Ellie's face, and

714
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: you just see how far she's willing to go, and

715
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: you just have to keep swinging, and she does. Ellie

716
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: goes for the legs like they did. But Joel, which

717
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: is pretty it's it's awful. It's awful. It's especially awful

718
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: because when you think about it, Norah. Norah at this

719
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: point is the only one that knows Ellie was immune.

720
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: She's the only one that even believed it might be possible.

721
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 2: So she dies knowing more of the gravity of Joel's

722
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: actions than the rest than the rest do, and I

723
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: do think it's interesting. One of the things I like

724
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: about the second game is that Ellie kind of leans

725
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: into her superpower being immune. They're definitely leaning into it

726
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: more in the show because she's got bitten so many times,

727
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: but like in the game, it is cool to kind

728
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: of see her be like, bite me, go ahead. But

729
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: they're really really leaning leaning into it here, and to

730
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: have Nora have that realization of like, oh wow, this

731
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: could have been what could have been? Oh my gosh,

732
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and just the you know, at this point,

733
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 2: probably nobody's gonna even try anymore. There are no more fireflies,

734
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: there's there's so it's just really painful. It's like such

735
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: a painful thing. And like I said, I was she

736
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: said that, I was like, I'll get her, but then

737
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: it got me to this point it was like, do

738
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: you really want to do it? I was like, no,

739
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: but I have to. And it's just yep. And also

740
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: we get something information that we've all been wondering about,

741
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: which is Ellie knew what Joel did. I've rered Bella

742
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 2: Ramsay say that Ellie knew the first the first lie

743
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: but was willing to let it go because of the

744
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: fear of being alone. And then it just you know,

745
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: built up. But this is the point in the game

746
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: where you find out, oh, it was fireflies, I see.

747
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: But she says, you know, very like I don't care.

748
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: I know, she's not showing any signs of empathy, and

749
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: it just feels to me, again, the acting's fantastic, but

750
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: it feels to me like she's reliving that trauma in

751
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: her head. She's seeing Joel die in her head, and

752
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: she's re enacting it in what she thinks will be

753
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: something that will make her feel better, which sounds a

754
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: little bit like happy being kind of stuck in that

755
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: in that trauma. There are several parallels we see in

756
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: this episode between Joel and Ellie. Once somebody pointed out

757
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 2: to me the other day that I was like, oh, yeah,

758
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: you're right. It's one of those kind of arrogance of

759
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: I see how many wolves there are, I don't care,

760
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: I'll take them on. And then Joel kind of being like,

761
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: wait a minute, a whole hospital full of fireflies going in,

762
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: so we kind of got that, and then the whole

763
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: the motif of the basement, the red lighting the monster

764
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: and Ellie having that really dark revenge moment in that scene.

765
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty telling if you think about the

766
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: if you watch the coming up next things like I do.

767
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: At the end of that, Joel says, remember what I

768
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: taught you, and I it feels kind of like, maybe

769
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: not the things you wish she would have remembered, but

770
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: she does remember the thing she taught you. But yeah,

771
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: they her and Dina almost died for this revenge. And

772
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: as as I say in every episode we do of this,

773
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: it's the cost. What are you willing to pay? And

774
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: so I think it's interesting that I both think it's

775
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: like giving Dina agency, but it's interesting that Ellie is

776
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: willing to lose Dina, even though it was Dina being like,

777
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: I'll do what you want to do. I'm ready. But

778
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: I do think that's interesting. And Okay, I feel like

779
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 2: I've addressed most of these, but the game differences morning

780
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: sickness with Dina, that's a big one, the arrow with Ellie,

781
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: Jesse's arrival, and then the whole Tommy situation on which

782
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: I'm very curious, yeah, very curious about random Summer, the horse.

783
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: I Know, Where's you know what? I'd rather just not

784
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 3: remember the horse. Well.

785
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: I feel like the official Last of Us page released

786
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: like a video about it, and it was just the

787
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: horse chilling so.

788
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: Good in the area, just hanging out with the records.

789
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: All good.

790
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I did want to briefly mention I know probably

791
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: a lot of you have seen it. There's been a

792
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: lot of review bombing of this show. I'm not surprised.

793
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 2: Disappointed as always, but I'm not at all surprised the game.

794
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: When Joel died in the game, it's often called the

795
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: death that broke the Internet. It was bad, it was

796
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: real bad. I don't like it, but I'm just not

797
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not surprised by it. I also

798
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: read something recently that said a lot of and you

799
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: were it's strange because it's kind of like, what is

800
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: this about? But like a lot of the things in

801
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: our lives entertainment wise that feel very one sided are

802
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: like eighty percent bots, which sucks because I was telling

803
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: you there's a whole thing about rotten tomatoes and can't

804
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: trust that anymore. That's for a different episode, but I

805
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: did I have found it interesting. I call it the

806
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: unholy matrimony of gamer Gate. Ros and pedro fangirls because

807
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: Pedro fangirls are there. You got up in there, didn't Oh? Well, yeah,

808
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how serious it is. I've read a

809
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: couple things about it, and I saw again I can't

810
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: get any layout of the land of eighty percent of

811
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: its bots, but I do know that some of that

812
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: does exist. Some of it I think is jokingly. But anyway,

813
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: that segues into the next thing. Naughty Dog, which is

814
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: the company behind the Last of Us, has started this

815
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: new thing where they boot camp that's what they call it,

816
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 2: boot camping new actors because they know this kind of

817
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: backlash and hatred exists. I've always wondered about this because sometimes,

818
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: you know, like they had with Abby, they had to

819
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: be like this is going to happen, and it's been

820
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: a big conversation about protecting actors who play these characters

821
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: or what have you, and how a lot of studios

822
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: haven't been great at it. So I don't know. I mean,

823
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: it's one of those things where I've always been curious

824
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: about that. But it does suck that has to be

825
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: a thing at all, Yeah, But if it has to

826
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: be a thing at all, I would prefer they're at

827
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: least trying to do something about it. Right. Oh good

828
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: h Anyway, the next episode looks like we're getting the

829
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: flashbacks that we mentioned, right, which is different than the

830
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: game where they came kind of sporadically. I think you're

831
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: going to put them in one episode. So if you've

832
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: been missing Pedro Pascal, unless they're gaslighting us once again

833
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: once again, then the next episode, I'm excited. I'm excited.

834
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: Uh yes, well, listeners, I hope you enjoyed this, even

835
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: if you don't watch, or maybe you do and you're like, still,

836
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 2: this is a lot more than I do. But hey,

837
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy it. If you have any thoughts,

838
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,160
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839
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843
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844
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845
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