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Speaker 1: I am Chad Melman, and today, as we did the

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Speaker 1: Raybon and Stucky. How you guys doing. I was on

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Speaker 1: Last week we talked about our NFC favorites in each

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Speaker 1: to run it back for the a f C. So

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Speaker 1: first first, let's do the main thing. The main thing,

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Speaker 1: Number one, the a f C North. Give me your

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Speaker 1: a f C North pick, Stucky. I'm gonna want you

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Speaker 1: to respond. It's tough because you have the the Ravens

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Speaker 1: of that division and I think the only pick for

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Speaker 1: you know that's the That's the team I'm gonna go with.

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Speaker 1: So right now, let me just run it down right now.

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Speaker 1: According to our friends at Draft Kings, the Ravens are

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Speaker 1: minus to the Steelers are plus three fifty, the Browns

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Speaker 1: see your response, the Baltimore Ravens fan from Philadelphia. Give

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Speaker 1: This is not the year to have all of these

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Speaker 1: he was still very productive free safety. Can Jimmy Smith

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Speaker 1: f C, and we're gonna get to the a f

429
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Speaker 1: C South next, we're talking about two certifiable contenders who

430
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Speaker 1: can blow anyone else out of the water. And then

431
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,919
Speaker 1: almost like there's no one else worth talking about except

432
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Speaker 1: for massive long shots. So let's talk about the f

433
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Speaker 1: South for a second. At DraftKings Colts uh plus one

434
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 1: twenty Titans plus one sixty Texans plus three fifty Jaguars.

435
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 1: Now without Leonard Fournett's plus talk to me. So this

436
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 1: division is the I think the most the best one

437
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,360
Speaker 1: for value kind of for the reason you just said.

438
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 1: There's actually multiple teams in this division that have a

439
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 1: chance to contend. I think the Colts are gonna be,

440
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 1: you know better. However, I'm betting against them in most

441
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 1: situations in the market just because I think that they're

442
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,360
Speaker 1: They're over They're overrated in the sense that I don't

443
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 1: know if they should be like the clear favorites. I

444
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,360
Speaker 1: don't know if they should be. Uh. You know, I've

445
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 1: seen their win total at nine and a half, which means,

446
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, ten games one. I don't know if they

447
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 1: should be um locked in for that. I think the

448
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 1: team that for value in this division is the Houston Texans. Listen,

449
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,239
Speaker 1: they've won nine or more games in all but one

450
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: year under Bill O'Brien. That was the year when everyone

451
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 1: got hurt, including Deshaun Watson. He's won I or more

452
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 1: games without Deshaun Watson. Um, you know at the quarterback position.

453
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: And this really is a toss up division. That's gonna

454
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: come down to how these teams play against each other

455
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 1: in these divisional matchups. I think I think they're they're

456
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: all gonna probably go to and O against the Jaguars,

457
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: or at least they should, And it's gonna come down

458
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 1: to that. And I just don't see that much separating

459
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: the Coats from the Titans from the Texans, especially when

460
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Speaker 1: you consider that the Texans at this point have the

461
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: best quarterback um In this situation, I know people will

462
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: say they have the worst coach, and I would say

463
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: that's true. Love what Frank Riker has done in Indie,

464
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 1: love what Rabels doing in Tennessee. But you have Deshaun

465
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: Watson and your plus three fifty compared to you know,

466
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: the Titans with Ryan Tannehill at plus one sixty and

467
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: the Colts with Philip Rivers, who we just talked about.

468
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, they Chargers underperformed, but when they look really

469
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: good on paper, um because of Philip Rivers. And I

470
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: know they're gonna throw shorter this year. He's thrown underneath

471
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 1: more and that should help. But um, I just think again,

472
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Speaker 1: it's too rich to bet them as a favorite at

473
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Speaker 1: plus one twenty. To give me the Texans at plus

474
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Speaker 1: three fifty and they kind of remind me of like

475
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: the Bears of the Lions in the NFC in the

476
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Speaker 1: NFC UM North, where they're just we're counting them out

477
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: way too much because we have this idea of these

478
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: two teams that should be at the top stuck. What

479
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Speaker 1: say you, yeah, I mean throughout the Jags they're not

480
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: one of the division. Um, and I don't see. I mean,

481
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: I have the Colts projective for like right at nine wins,

482
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Speaker 1: and that's just because they have the easiest schedule in

483
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Speaker 1: the NFL. UM. But I mean it's not nine and

484
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Speaker 1: a half. It's still nine. I actually have from a

485
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: power writing perspective, the Titans and the Cults dead even. UM.

486
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Speaker 1: So if you were going to take one of those teams,

487
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Speaker 1: you get one plus one sixty plus. But when I

488
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: would take the Titans, UM, it'll be interesting to see

489
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: how Vaybel does as a play caller on the defensive

490
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: side of the ball and see what differences they need

491
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Speaker 1: to get a little more pressure. That's one of their

492
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Speaker 1: weaknesses on the defensive side of the ball. He didn't

493
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Speaker 1: do well. And the only time he's called plays but

494
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: their defensive when their dp's are tired. He didn't replace him.

495
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: He's presumably gonna be calling plays that'll be interesting to see. Um,

496
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, Ryan Tannell is not a fluke. Look at

497
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: all the advanced stats last year. He's in a perfect

498
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: offense for his skill set with that play action heavy,

499
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: good running game. Um you know, he's got a freak

500
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: receiver to throw the ball to. It's it's it's in

501
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: all the advanced that say he had a top five

502
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: year from a quarterback perspective once he took over his starter.

503
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: Uh so Tennessee will be there. Um the Houston I think,

504
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're taking a pick in

505
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: this division, if you I think you have to do

506
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: from a value perspective, they either take Houston or Tennessee.

507
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: Just to go back to what Ravon said, Look, the

508
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: one thing that scares me about Houston is like, you

509
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: lose Hopkins and your defense is just so bad. I mean,

510
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: especially in the secondary. I mentioned coaching changes. They have

511
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: a new defensive coordinator. Can they scheme up more pressure?

512
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: I mean, they just wouldn't blitz and they would just

513
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: get picked apart on third downs. So maybe there's some

514
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: upside with the defense because it was just so bad

515
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: last year. Now they don't really have a defensive backfield

516
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: that gets you excited. But if you can kind of

517
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: scheme up different looks and more pressure, there's nowhere to

518
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: go but up with that defense, especially on third downs.

519
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: But you have the best quarterback in the division. It's

520
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: a quarterback league. I'll say that over and over again.

521
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: So I don't think you can go wrong with Tennessee

522
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: or Houston. I have too many questions with Houston. And

523
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: since I make Indianapolis and Tennessee, I rate them similarly.

524
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: Give me the extra value with the Titans. What's annoying

525
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: is it's not even an exciting bet, you know what

526
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean? Like this division, there is no five to one,

527
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: six to one. Save your money. It'll it'll probably come

528
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: down to like a week six team matchup and it'll

529
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: be like a pick and then you could just bet

530
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: the game and you saved. You saved holding up your

531
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: money for three months. That's exactly right in the n

532
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: FC South. Don't even bet a division winner. Bet the

533
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: Cults Titans at the end one of the last three

534
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: weeks of the year, you will get better odds on

535
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: whichever team on the money line, of whichever team you

536
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: think is gonna win and if the if, like everybody

537
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: is close at the end of the year, I think,

538
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: and that's bad betting advice. I think this division is

539
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: actually the most value to bet because it's the only

540
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: one where there's like, there's three teams and they're all

541
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: at plus money, and like the third one is not

542
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: very different from the first two. So like, I think

543
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: this is the best division to bet, honestly, like because

544
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: even even even the Titans, even the Titans, like Stuck said,

545
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: they you could easily look at them and as a favorite,

546
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: but their plus one sixty, you know, So I think

547
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: I think the Titans and Texans make this division a

548
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: better division a bet than the others. I have no

549
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: interest in in betting a plus one sixty division winner,

550
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, in September and waiting three or four months,

551
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: hoping there's no injuries, hoping COVID concerns. Don't go against

552
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: me when you know it might come down to a game.

553
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: I can bet three months from now. That's how you

554
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: gotta bet the Texas. If you bet the Texas, a

555
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: different story. So that that's so like that's why I

556
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: previ mean I prefer to like look at longer shots

557
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: futures this year more so than any um, just with

558
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: so much uncertainty and you don't even know if we're

559
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: gonna have a couple of weeks canceled. But I will say, Chad.

560
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: And also one exception is if you believe in Minshew magic.

561
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean if at one for division, I don't believe

562
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: in that what anything that Jackson was doing, but if

563
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: you do, you get twenty two to one on division.

564
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: And you believe in Minshew magic, I say this, I'll say,

565
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: is I think Gardner Minshew is better than Drew Lock.

566
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: I'll say that. Here's what I love. Yeah, this is

567
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: what makes you the dynamic duo of betting, Raybond. You

568
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: went right after Stucky. Stucky gave bad advice and you

569
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: just went after him. Hey, that's what we do. Who

570
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: called me out? Anytime I have sunk up to you

571
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: probably will. Let's go to the a f C East.

572
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: We got the bills. This at least gets interesting, right,

573
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: the Bills plus one twenty, the Patriots plus one thirty,

574
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: the Jets plus eight fifty, and it looks like the

575
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: UH the Dolphins are a plus eight hundred. It's all

576
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: about the Buffalo Bills, although I mean, I just I

577
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: don't have. I don't have. I'm not rushing to the

578
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: counter about a plus one, as I just said, But

579
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: I like the Bills for a lot of different reasons.

580
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hammer this home like I've done. Stability, right, coaching,

581
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: All the Bills have all these things. They return almost

582
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: every starter. They rebuilt their offensive line last year, all

583
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: five of them comebacks. I think their offensive line is

584
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a little better, which will help. Obviously, they

585
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: have at Stefon Diggs. Now you get a bona fide

586
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: one to UH receiver duo that you can give the

587
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: Josh Allen their defense loaded, it's gonna be great against

588
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: the past. They added some front seven pieces that I

589
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: think are interesting. But I mean this team has a

590
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: lot of stability. I love their coaching, and if you

591
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: want to invest in the Bills, they're gonna go against

592
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: everything I said. I don't think that. I don't think

593
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is the guy to win a Super Bowl, right,

594
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: it's not accurate enough yet and we have enough of

595
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: a sample size to see it. But in that division,

596
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: with that defense, I think it's the Bills. I'm lower

597
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: on the Patriots than the market by far. I'm lower

598
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: on the Jets so obviously just by default, and I'm

599
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: about neutral on the Dolphins. I think there's some upside

600
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: there if you want to argue for the Dolphins, go

601
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: for it. But I'm just so much lower on the

602
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: Jets and Patriots in particular, that there's a lot of

603
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: value on the Bills to me from this division, I

604
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 1: think the Patriots with all of their defensive turnover, I mean,

605
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: who knows what we're gonna get on offense. I still

606
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: don't believe in any of their their skill position players.

607
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: They're surrounding with Newton who's had three surgeries and three years.

608
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: So even if Newton is healthy, there's still questions on

609
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: the offensive line and then the skill positions. With a

610
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: reduced summer prep, no preseason new quarterback and defense, you're

611
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: replacing like your entire front seven, you had all the

612
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: holdouts or the opt outs in the secondary. I mean

613
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: they are in rebuild mode without Bill Belichick people I

614
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: think would be and you have to respect them a

615
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: lot lower on the Patriots than they are. And the

616
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: Jets are just a dumpster fire. I don't believe in

617
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: Donald and Adam Gaze, and I think that's that's gonna

618
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: go down here quick. I think they start out in

619
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: three and that everything just lights up in flames. I

620
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: couldn't agree with anything you said more than everything you

621
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: just said beautiful. I'll talk about Josh because I like

622
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: the Bills as well, and so his inaccuracy issues right.

623
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: Last year, he threw deep, which is you know, you

624
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: expect Josh Allen to to swing it deep because that's

625
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: one of the things he can do relatively well. Uh,

626
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: throwing to all wide receivers not named John Brown, so

627
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: that would be Robert Foster, Cole Beasley, Isaiah McKenzie, Andre Roberts,

628
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: and Duke Williams. He was three for on passes twenty

629
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: or more yards down the field. Now throwing a Brown,

630
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: he was Canada twenty two UM, one of the top

631
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: mark one of one of the top officiencies in the

632
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: league in terms of their connection. Stefon Diggs was the

633
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: best deep receiver in the league last year. Most yards

634
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: despite you know, Minnesota's offense through the ball, even Western Buffalo,

635
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: So that could make a huge difference. Um adding Diggs.

636
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: And then you also look at Josh Allen's inaccuracy and

637
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: who's one of the receivers he threw to the most

638
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: two in his career, Za Jones. Him and j Jones

639
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: have a sub fifty percent completion percentage together, horrible staf

640
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: at um, but that's who's A Jones is like the

641
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Speaker 1: Jones is not very good and he's not on that

642
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: team nowhere. He hasn't been now for you know, half season.

643
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: So there there's gonna be Josh Allen's first full year

644
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Speaker 1: without Za Jones and his first full year with Stefon Diggs.

645
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: So he has now two viable deep threats along with

646
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Speaker 1: John Brown Um and knows A Jones. And when you

647
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Speaker 1: kind of look at all those numbers, and I do

648
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: this for fantasy and you kind of project them out

649
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: removing and adding all the parts, he's just a week average,

650
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: he's weak average, and accuracy like, he's not terrible, he's

651
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: not great. But um, these could have a huge, huge,

652
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Speaker 1: um kind of impact on his numbers. So I think

653
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: that's that's great for Buffalo, and then you just kind

654
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: of look at them in a division and both you know,

655
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: New England shaking at quarterback Buffalo you could say shaking

656
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: everyone is Um everyone England and Buffalo have great defenses.

657
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: Give me Buffalo and a toss up because I think

658
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: you worry a little bit more about Newton's health. Uh,

659
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: and I think, um, you know, I think the skill

660
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: positions are better in Buffalo. So yeah, I'm totally agree

661
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Speaker 1: with stuff here. I feel like Raybon's assessment of Josh

662
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: Allen and the Buffalo Bills is a little bit like

663
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: the most backhanded compliment you can deliver. He's going to

664
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: be better than what he was, but that's still gonna

665
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: make him barely average. But in a division with bad

666
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: quarterback play all around, he might as well be the guy,

667
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: the guy that you bet on. Essentially what you just said, well,

668
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: I've met averaging completion rates, So completion rate of all

669
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: the stats is not gonna necessarily determine who wins and

670
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: loses the game. It always gonna come down to more so,

671
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: like your efficiency, like your yards per attempt, your net

672
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: yards or whatever not. But like by by improving Alan's

673
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: completion rate, that's gonna mean his yardage is gonna go up,

674
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: and like I said, Diggs is gonna help that. And

675
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: so his overall efficiency is going to improve because he's

676
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: played with this super like perhaps the week's most inefficient

677
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Speaker 1: receiver that was actually getting playing time and z Jones

678
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: and then perhaps the week's most inefficient uh kind of

679
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: combination of guys. You can throw deep to that receiver,

680
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: Um out we're getting targets. So um, there's just a

681
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: lot of room for improvement. And then remember Josh Allen

682
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: brings extra with his legs that most quarterbacks don't. He's

683
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: essentially there. You know, he can play the role of

684
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: goal line back and um, he can he can scramble

685
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: when he's in trouble, which you know, if the offensive

686
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: line is struggling in a particular matchup or the receivers

687
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: aren't getting open um, he can bail an out of

688
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: lit him more than most quarterbacks. So it's it's not

689
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: a knock against out. And I'm just saying he can

690
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Speaker 1: get his completion rate to week average, which and that's

691
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: been a knock on him. Alright. So the argument Raybons

692
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: argument for Josh Allen is he's a goal line back

693
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: and and Z Jones is gone. I'm just kidding seriously, Jones,

694
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you got to look

695
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: at the numbers for Z Jones and Josh Allen. It

696
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: is like it's like it's like forty seven percent completions,

697
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: like four point eight yards per target. Like it's bad.

698
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: But I think that speaks to the larger point, like

699
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: the a f C outside of the Ravens and the

700
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs, it's kind of trash right now, And

701
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: like we could have come up with we came up

702
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: with a consensus on the a f C North that

703
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: this Dealers are the best value at plus three fifty

704
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: to win that division. But then we're like debating the

705
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: Broncos at plus nine hundred and the Charterers at plus

706
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: eight hundred. Stucky won't even bet the a f C South,

707
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: And so Raybon is loving the Titans at plus one

708
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Speaker 1: twenty just because you're getting plus moneysion, like you like

709
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: the Texans at plus three fifty, But that's because the

710
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: rest of the division isn't isn't very good, And like

711
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: now we're talking about the Bills plus one twenty in

712
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: a dilapidated a f C East that used to be like,

713
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, the cream of the crop. So this is

714
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Speaker 1: gonna make it really interesting when we go into our

715
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Speaker 1: next segment um and we talk about odds to win,

716
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: our our favorite bets to win the conference. So let's

717
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Speaker 1: do another thing, another thing. Alright, your favorite team from

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00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: the a f C the best odds to win the

719
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl some some a f C name teams, right,

720
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Chiefs at about plus six hundred six to one, Ravens

721
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: six and a half to one. Then, by the way,

722
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: after that, it goes to our point. You've got forty

723
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: nine plus nine, Saints eleven to one, Bucks fourteen to one,

724
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: Cowboys fifteen to one, Seahawks twenty to one, Eagles one.

725
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: Then then you get a little bit of a run.

726
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: You've got Paths of twenty to one. That is only

727
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: because of Bill Belichick and sort of the legacy that

728
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: he has and bookmakers trying to sort of limit the

729
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: liability Colt to one, Bills to one, uh Steelers one. Like,

730
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: come on, guys, let's talk about the a f C.

731
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Speaker 1: Here stuck, give me one team, one team that is

732
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: like worth taking a flyer on. Um. You know I'm

733
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: gonna say again, I can't see the bit. It's a

734
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: quarterback league. I I won't invest in the future. I

735
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: remember one I wanted us in the future under ten

736
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: to one. In this year with so much uncertainty, I'm

737
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: it's just not worth it to me. I think that

738
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and Ravens are clearly the two best teams

739
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I don't want any any part of

740
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl future. I don't see Josh Allen doing it.

741
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: By the way, Bills are, they're gonna betting they been

742
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: betting on in the wind Division. They have one of

743
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: the divisions since and either a playoff game or division

744
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: since um, and you know the Colts, I don't. I

745
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: don't see it. Um. I don't think Rivers has that

746
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: much left in the tank. Hope benefit from playing in

747
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: a dome at home he's familiar with, right, but and

748
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: I also don't buy their corners. Roads is washed Xavier Rhodes,

749
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be their they're big signing. He's washed up. UM.

750
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: So it's it's really hard for me to find a

751
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: team that I like in that mid tier. Patriots don't

752
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: buy them, So it's I just a couple of shots

753
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: in the NC is what I've done. You make me

754
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: pick one. Uh, I'm gonna say the Broncos at fifty

755
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: two one. The Browns with their injuries, defense is really

756
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: making pause. That was my favorite one. Um. The Broncos

757
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: comes down to the fact that, yes, we saw some

758
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: Drew Lock. The offensive was in he just I mean

759
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: he was throwing at like four yards down the field.

760
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: His average depth of target was like nothing. So with

761
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: this new offense, what is it gonna look like? I

762
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: don't know is can Drew Lock take the next step right?

763
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: And if he does and the rookie which receivers work out,

764
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: they have a super Bowl cowbir defense. If their corners

765
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: they can just find a second corner really in Callahan's

766
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: healthy in the slot. Um, So I'm gonna say the Broncos.

767
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: It's it's I'm not necessarily a believer. There's a lot

768
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: of Drew Lock hype out there that's not me. But

769
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: if it does come to fruition, the Broncos are an

770
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: intriguing team that still will no matter what, have a

771
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: home field advantage with that altitude, even without crowd. So

772
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: I'll go to that. For me, it's it's really two teams,

773
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: but the one I the one I took was earliest

774
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: with the pit perk Steelers. That to one, I just

775
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: think that they're a lot more closer to the conversation

776
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs and the Ravens are in than to

777
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: this kind of mid tier of you know, dart throws.

778
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: They have the defense, the defense finished you know number

779
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: three in in past and run d v O A

780
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: last year. I mean, and they have pretty much everyone back,

781
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: and now they have a quarterback coming back that um

782
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: you know is is above average quarterback, and they have

783
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: good weapons around the offense even without a b U.

784
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: They have a coach as we mentioned, who's you know,

785
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: been there, done that. So I think the Steelers are

786
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: really that team. Um you know, that's that's kind of

787
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: given those long shot adds that has a real chance,

788
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I would throw the I would

789
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: throw the Texans in there as well, at at fifty

790
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: two one, because listen, the Texans were right there. The

791
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: Texans were, you know, they were in the midst of

792
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: that a f C playoff race, even with the shaky

793
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: defense and all that last year. And uh, a lot

794
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: of that is just because you have DeShawn Watson at

795
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: quarterback and you know in this year where there's gonna

796
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: be all the uncertainty and game myth. You know, defense

797
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: is gonna kind of UM has the potentially even out

798
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: a lot more, either with you know, used improving, other

799
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: teams declining or whatnot. So I think fifty t one

800
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: is just way too much UM for one of the

801
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: better quarterbacks in the league, UM and a team that's

802
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: actually one game. It's not just like you know, Atlanta

803
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: and Matt Ryan. It's like they'll have one good year

804
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: and then goes like seven and nine. Like Houston's consistent.

805
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: We've been at least the winning team in that in

806
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: that UM playoff conversation, and so I think it's way

807
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: too low for them at fifty to one as well.

808
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: So every year for the past three years, uh no,

809
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: two years prior to this, I have bet the Texans

810
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl. And I'm way off them

811
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: because of DeAndre Hopkins. I'm way off them because of

812
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien. I have a lot of concerns about their

813
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: defense and J. J. Watt just not being able to

814
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: stay on the field. UM. So the team that I

815
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: went with, I made six futures bets between division winners

816
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: and super Bowl winners. Uh. We talked about some of

817
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: these last week. I bet the Bears to win their

818
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: division and win the Super Bowl. I bet Minnesota to

819
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. I bet the Arizona Cardinals to

820
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl at fifty one. I also bet

821
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: the Steelers to win their division. And then the last

822
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: bet that I made the Denver Broncos at fifty one.

823
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Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of it has to

824
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: do with their defense and sort of I do think

825
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: they're going to be improving. I do think that, like

826
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: in a in a quarterback driven league, Drew lock was serviceable.

827
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't like, oh my god, he's Kyler Murray um,

828
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: but I like what he can do compared to not

829
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: throwing a game away and having a defense that I

830
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: think could be really aggressive and potentially sneak out sneak

831
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: out some wins in the playoffs, if things bounce their way,

832
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: if Patrick Mahomes is injured, if they end up not

833
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: seeing him till the a f C Conference Conference title game,

834
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: things like that, you're in that game, you get a shot.

835
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Speaker 1: So I went with the Broncos fifty one. I was stuck.

836
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: I was stuck on everything today and I'm against Raybon.

837
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: You're betting on the Broncos and Drew Rock at the

838
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: same odds you could get the Texans and DeShawn Watson on.

839
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: The Texans have been there every year but one. They've

840
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: been a winning team with O'Brien Watson or not. You're

841
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: really betting against uh Deshaun Watson with Drew Rock. I

842
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: just want at the same odds. I just want you

843
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: to realize that getting the Bowl okay, But but just

844
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: get to the wild Card Saturday and the Ducks out.

845
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: And this isn't even opinion, this is like numbers. Back

846
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: this up. Like passing efficiency just straight up essentially passing offense,

847
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: which is your quarterback is correlated to victory, to margin

848
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: of victory so much more than like every other factor

849
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: combined that Like does the real upside come from the

850
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Broncos with an maybe okay quarterback and defense or does

851
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: it come from the Texans with a great quarterback and

852
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: it maybe serviceable defense. Like I feel like it's got

853
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: to be the Texans, Like their defense could be bad

854
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: and it can still be. In that conversation there, their

855
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: defense was bad and they were still up twenty four

856
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs in the in the in the playoffs,

857
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if they're not playing Patrick Mahomes,

858
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: they're probably moving on. It's the upside of the addition

859
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: that they have. They drafted basically two starting receivers for them,

860
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: so if they work out as well, like we just

861
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: talked about with Josh Allen, the addition of receivers can

862
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: help out your quarterback obviously. So if there are two

863
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: receivers that they signed, you know, come in and they

864
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: could be productive right away. With Sutton as a true

865
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: number one, you have a good tight end. That's only

866
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: gonna help Lock who just had basically Sutton last year.

867
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: But even with those two receivers that they have great seasons,

868
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: do you expect Drew box Y p A to be

869
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: better than Shaun No? But the the Texas is the

870
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: better pick. It's passing efficiency to Broncos defenses night and day.

871
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: Stopping the past and getting to the quarterback also matters too,

872
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: and the and the Texas can't do either. Okay, Broncos

873
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: just have an average quarterback situation, like the defense, you

874
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: could be a lot more average, like we've seen that

875
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: with the Texas. That's that's why it's a bet, although

876
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: raybon is making me rethink this. I can't decide if

877
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: Raybond's passion for Deshaun Watson, who I have been in

878
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: love with since Clemson, is making me completely rethink my position,

879
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: or if Raybond is being way too derivative and looking

880
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: only at the numbers and not really considering the other

881
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: elements to go into this, which is defense will get

882
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: you at some point. It has to get you to

883
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: the next round and into the super Bowl a b.

884
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien is just not a guy you want to

885
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: have any money invested in for an extended period of time.

886
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: It used to be like many many years ago, coaches

887
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: had zero impact on point spreads, right, and then all

888
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like you got North Turner who was

889
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: the one guy that every wise guy would downgrade and

890
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: sort of take points against Um and Bell Belichick who

891
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: everybody would sort of at a point or two of value.

892
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien to me, has that same impact, like he

893
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: has done such a bad job just sort of been

894
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: managing this team and and how he coaches his team.

895
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: I cannot put my hard and money for an extent

896
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: part of time on the Houston Texas I mean the

897
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: Texans actually tend to go over their their preseason odds

898
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: because everyone's kind of downrading them. You know, they they're there,

899
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: their rent total tends to be like eight and a

900
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: half and they win nine. Uh, you know they don't

901
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: they're not. They're usually not the favorite for the division,

902
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: which they end up winning. Um. I mean I think

903
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of baked in and there and and another.

904
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson and the Texans are also one of the

905
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: most profitable teams to bet is as underdogs, which all

906
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: you know, like they actually win these spots because people

907
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: do doubt him. So yeah, I don't have a problem

908
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: betting the Texas over wins to win the division. Um.

909
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: I just don't see any scenario where they can win

910
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. But from either getting to the conferencehapionship.

911
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: There one of two teams in the history that I

912
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: felt have never even been to a conference championship. Bill

913
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: Bryant might be able to take him to the first

914
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: Saturday Uh and like that, what was it the Bengals

915
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: Texans Bowl? Um, you have backup quarterbacks playing, so I

916
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: mean he could take them there. But that's it. So

917
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with Texans betting the week

918
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: the week division, um, but to win a super Bowl?

919
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: Don't see it? You know what, I might put a

920
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: little taste, just a little tiny taste on the Texans

921
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945
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947
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948
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951
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: Favorites podcast. Everybody knows that I am all over the

952
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: Bears this year, that Simon Hunter professional better. Regular guests

953
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: of the podcast co host with me during the football season.

954
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: Also all over the Bears, all over the Bears to

955
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: win the NFC North, all over the Bears to win

956
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. We have been getting a lot of

957
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: questions about the Bears, so I wanted to bring in

958
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Lauren Cox, who hosts the Lockdown podcast Networks Lockdown Bears podcast.

959
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: He knows more about the Bears than just about anybody

960
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: covering the Bears, and listen, I got a lot of questions, Laura,

961
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: and how are you, buddy. I'm doing well, how are you?

962
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm good? Thanks for doing this. So I'm going to

963
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: ignore your Wisconsin accent and just assume that your love

964
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: of the Bears runs deep. And I have so many questions,

965
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: like the running back situation, what is happening there? The

966
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: quarterback situation, what is what is happening there? What are

967
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: the Bears doing without any Goldman, Like, let's start with

968
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: the running back because I think like there's so many

969
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: questions about David Montgomery right now, and people can have

970
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: those fantasy questions, but like, what are you seeing? What

971
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: are you hearing about the impact that David Montgomery and

972
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: what's happening in this preseason is having on the Bears

973
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: offense and the running back situation. So all eyes are

974
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: on David Montgomery's growing which is funny to say now,

975
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: but it was thought to be about a two to

976
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: four week injury that he suffered last week from the

977
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: time we're recording this, and so it's a question of

978
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: will he be ready for a week one, week two,

979
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: week three. It's not gonna be a long term injury

980
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: from the sound of It's just more of a strain

981
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: than anything else. But Matt Nigi says he's really confident

982
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: in the running backs that they have. You know, they

983
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: converted Cordelle Patterson sort of he's gonna be this hybrid

984
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: and running back wide receiver. That's sort of like the

985
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: big mystery play toy for this Bears offense this year

986
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: is what exactly Cordinal Patterson's role is gonna be. How

987
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: that's gonna look. He's working with the running backs and

988
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: getting running back coaching, but also still lining up at

989
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and you think back to like what the

990
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: Patriots did with him, there's you know, it was kind

991
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: of simplified where he was just in the eye formation,

992
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, outside zone with a fullback, kind of make

993
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: sure that you didn't have to think too much and

994
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: learn the full gamut of the running back position. But

995
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: it sounds like the Bears are having him learn past

996
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: protection and different routes out of the backfield that he's

997
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: not quite used to. From that wide receiver position. So

998
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: I get the impression that they feel confident enough in

999
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: Tarik Cohen and Cordial Patterson, maybe even Ryan Noll to

1000
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: get by for a week or two if needed, while

1001
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: David Montgomery is out that they can they can put

1002
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: together a game plan enough to say that those guys

1003
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: can carry the ball enough against the Lions and the Giants,

1004
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: two opponents that maybe they should be able to have

1005
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: some better success against, and then hopefully from there. David

1006
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: Montgomery's back for week three and beyond, and he's coming

1007
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: in some of the best shape of his life. He

1008
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: dropped somebody fat, belt at it, some muscle and seems

1009
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: to be moving a little bit quicker and having that

1010
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: more better comfort in the offensive, better understanding of what

1011
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: Matt Naggie wants him to do. The pieces are coming

1012
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: together there in the backfield. Yeah, spoken like an incredibly

1013
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: naive optimist who I Am going to use the benefit

1014
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: of more experience as a Bears fan and say that

1015
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: the last thing you want when you've got a team

1016
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: at forty five to one to win the Super Bowl

1017
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: and you've got a team at four to one to

1018
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: win the division is going into the season just getting

1019
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: by and hoping that the guy can get better for

1020
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: the first two weeks. By the way, especially when let's

1021
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: transition to the quarterback situation, when you've got the guy

1022
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: who was drafted instead of Patrick Mahomes and who has

1023
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: got the richest contract in NFL history, who's got an

1024
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: end VP and a super Bowl in his first three years.

1025
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: The guy he was drafted instead of Deshaun Watson, who

1026
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: will soon be getting a mega rich deal, who never

1027
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: seems to have a losing season. This is the guy

1028
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: the Bears traded up. They traded up to get Mr Bisky,

1029
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: and he's battling a journeyman QB who granted won a

1030
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: super Bowl, but he has never been a great starter.

1031
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: That is my concern because now we have a quarterback

1032
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: situation that is bad and a running back situation that

1033
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: is bad, and there's offensive line questions in there too.

1034
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure we can get to but yeah, the with

1035
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, it's it's one of those things where it

1036
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: felt like this offseason they had an opportunity with so

1037
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: many different quarterbacks available in the free agent market and

1038
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: even by trade. But you know, guys like Tom Brady,

1039
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, Jamis Winston, Cam Newton, eventually even Andy Dalton.

1040
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of quarterbacks out there

1041
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: that the Bears could have chose from, and instead they

1042
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: traded a fourth round pick for Nick Foles, and it

1043
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: felt like maybe more like Trabinsky insurance rather than a

1044
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: full clear planned to upgrade the position, like they got

1045
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: a guy that can be a backup that knows the offense,

1046
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: that has that experience, but can also take over and

1047
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: start when you need him to. But it wasn't a

1048
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: direct like, let's make this quarterback position as great as possible.

1049
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: And so now it's literally the beginning of September, we

1050
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: still don't know who the Bear starting quarterback is gonna be.

1051
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: Trabisky and Foals have pretty much gone back and forth,

1052
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: neck and neck through all of training camp in the preseason,

1053
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: the alternating days of who's getting, you know, the practicing

1054
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: with the runs and who's practicing with the twos. Some

1055
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: days Trabiskyll look great, some days Foals will look great,

1056
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 1: other days there will be some mistakes mixed in there.

1057
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: So Trabinsky kind of starts as the incumbent and the

1058
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: I guess the betting favorite in that regard, because he

1059
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: is the guy who has that familiarity with his receivers

1060
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: and offensive linemen and running backs. Even though Foals worked

1061
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: in this offense in the past, it has still been

1062
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: an acclamation period for him and for a lot of

1063
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: folds his career, he's been the guy it's almost been

1064
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 1: better coming off of the bench, and he's never played

1065
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: a full six team games season and a lot of

1066
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: his best stretches with Philadelphia in particular, Carson Wentz gets

1067
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: hurt halfway through the season. You know, even right at

1068
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: the playoffs, Fools comes in kind of rides that wave

1069
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: and gets a Super Bowl m v P as a result.

1070
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: You can kind of see maybe not that good of

1071
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: a narrative, but the same kind of narrative of Chicago,

1072
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: where Trabinsky maybe gets to start at the beginning of

1073
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: the year Bears see how much he can still do

1074
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: and eventually maybe make the change to Nick Foles, see

1075
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: if that can reinvigorate them halfway through the season and

1076
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: push them into the playoffs. So if I had that

1077
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: on the Bears at for to want to win the

1078
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: division and forty five to one to win the Super Bowl.

1079
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: Lauren Cox from the Locked On podcast Network for the

1080
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears podcast, I might feel pretty good if we

1081
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: go that route, Like if we can get an Eagles replica,

1082
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: then that could be fantastic for me. Yeah, And you

1083
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: could sort of see, you know, when you just like

1084
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: glance at the Chicago Bears schedule, you can sort of

1085
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: see about where this narrative plays out in terms of

1086
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: when some of these switchovers might happen. Because in a

1087
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: Week one and two against the Lions and the Giants,

1088
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: Tom He's always been great against the Lions in his career.

1089
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: It's the one team that he's really been able to beat.

1090
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: Giants not necessarily pushing for a big time playoff spot.

1091
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: But then you start to get in this stretch Falcons, Colts, Buccaneers, Panthers, Rams, Saints,

1092
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: brings you to Week eight. There's some potential playoff teams

1093
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: in there, and some teams that Trabinsky has struggled against

1094
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: you in particular, and maybe that's when the change starts

1095
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: to happen. And they had a Week eleven by and

1096
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: then it's a stretch towards the end of the season

1097
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: of some divisional games makes the Texans and Jaguars and

1098
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: they get them really battle tested and if Fools can

1099
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: be that difference maker, there's a run up there into

1100
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: the postseason where there's an opportunity to make some noise.

1101
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: It's a question of, truly, how long is Mitch Drabinsky's

1102
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: leash if he is even going to get the job,

1103
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: because it just feels like it's a matter of when

1104
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: Nick Foles takes over as a starter. Not if I

1105
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: agree with you, I totally agree with you. It's also

1106
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: a question of who is he going to throw to,

1107
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: what are his weapons gonna be, how many tight ends

1108
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: can the Bear sign that nobody else wants that they

1109
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: can sign to multi gazillion dollar deals, um. And then

1110
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: it's also a question of what is the defense gonna

1111
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: look like? Like? What am I betting on here? I

1112
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: obviously felt like like to me, the Bears had superstars

1113
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: at all three levels of the defense. You had Eddie

1114
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: Goldman anchoring the defensive line, you had Khalil Mack at linebacker,

1115
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: and you had Eddie Jackson in the defensive backfield. So

1116
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: like Eddie Goldman has decided to sit out because of Corona,

1117
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: what is your assessment of what that does to this

1118
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: team's chances? I think it's I mean, it's it's obviously

1119
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: at a critical role that nose tackles spot in the

1120
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: middle of this defense, but I think they can they

1121
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: can survive without him, you know, in terms of changes

1122
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: to this Bears defense, I'm a little bit more concerned

1123
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: about some of the changes in the secondary around Eddie Jackson,

1124
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: But in terms of that front seven, you know, they

1125
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: can have Bual Nickel slide over to that nose tackle

1126
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: spot and handle some of those reps. And Eddie Goldman

1127
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: is very good stop in the run and playing, you know,

1128
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: holding on those double teams and letting the linebackers get

1129
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: downhill and just make those plays in the backfield. But

1130
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: the NFL he has won and loss on passing downs,

1131
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: and not that Eddie Goldman is not an effective pass

1132
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: rusher at times, but he's more of that first and

1133
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: second down lineman, and they'll get some different pass rusher

1134
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: rotations in there in third and long and some of

1135
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: those passing situations. So I think they feel like adding

1136
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn and outside linebacker can make up for some

1137
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: of Eddie Goldman's loss. That if you could just have

1138
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: guys that can fill some space on the inside, Mac

1139
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: and Quinn should be able to do some of that

1140
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: damage and feel like, Okay, even if you're not getting

1141
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: quite the same penetration that Eddie Goldman did, you can

1142
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: survive with the guys you have on the defensive line

1143
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: and hope that some of the upgrades you've made around

1144
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: them getting you know, some of their linebackers back healthy,

1145
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: adding Robert Quinn some changes in that secondary that maybe

1146
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: you can make up for it and keep this defense

1147
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: back in that same top ten range. All right, Lauren Cox,

1148
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: break it down for me. NFC North Lions, Bears, Vikings, Packers.

1149
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: Rank it for me right now. Tell me who's number one,

1150
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: Who's number were at the end of the year. You know,

1151
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm one of those guys that's high on the

1152
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions more so than I think a lot of

1153
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: people who just I thought Matthew Stafford played so well

1154
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: last season before he got hurt. So I really struggle

1155
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: with this division because the Packers aren't a three and

1156
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: thirteen quality team again, the Minnesota Vikings took some step backs.

1157
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see these teams all finish within

1158
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: one or two wins of each other, you know, eleven

1159
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: and five, ten and six, nine and seven, eight and

1160
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: eight all in that sort of range. I'd have to

1161
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: still go Green Bay Packers one until proven otherwise then

1162
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: it's it's really up in the air for me if

1163
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: if Nick Foles can be that difference maker for Chicago.

1164
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: But I I still am inclined to say Vikings too,

1165
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: but Bears really close behind them at three and then

1166
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: the Lions maybe even tied with the Bear. You know,

1167
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like Packers, you know, ten ten or eleven wins,

1168
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: Vikings ten or eleven wins, and then the Bears and

1169
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: Lions each at nine or eight wins and kind of

1170
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: all really tightly packed in there. But at this point

1171
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm still kind of ready to go with where it

1172
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: finished last year. Packers, Vikings, Bears, Lions, but much close

1173
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: certain than it was last year. You're totally wrong. It's Bears,

1174
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: it's Vikings, it's Packers, it's Lions. Lauren Cox from the

1175
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears Locked On podcast from the Lockdown Podcast Network.

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00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on the favorites and making me

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00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: feel even worse about my Chicago Bears futures. Bet they

1178
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: do it to you. I just passed it along. Yeah,

1179
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: all right, you're just the messenger. Well, we're gonna talk

1180
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: a little bit about the New York Jets, who are

1181
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,479
Speaker 1: one of the more interesting teams that have been getting

1182
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: a lot of attention from betters during the off season

1183
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: as we head into the season. Posted the Lockdown New

1184
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: York Jets podcast part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. John

1185
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: Butch COO, John, how are you, buddy, I'm great, glad

1186
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: to be here today. Thanks for doing this. The Jets

1187
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: have had a fascinating offseason. You cannot think about the

1188
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: Jets without thinking about turmoil, without thinking about the Jamal

1189
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: Adams trade. Did they get robbed? Did they not get robbed?

1190
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: Are they going to be a better team? Are they

1191
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: a team in which Joe Douglas the GM is building

1192
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: a brilliant roster or is he a complete and utter fool.

1193
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 1: What is your take right now about the New York Jets,

1194
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: whose win total, by the way, I think, is it

1195
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: a very elevated seven. Joe Douglas did not get wrong

1196
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: when he traded Jamal Adams to the Seattle Seahawks, because

1197
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: the Jet did get two first round picks in the

1198
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: third round pick in return, and that's a package that

1199
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: I think was comparable to what the Raiders got a

1200
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. For Khalil Mack Matthew is one

1201
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: of the best edge rushers in the league. Jamal Adams

1202
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: is arguably the top safety in the NFL, but safety

1203
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: just doesn't have the positional value of an edge rusher.

1204
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: You could argue about how things got to the point

1205
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: why Adams was so adamant about wanting to leave the

1206
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: organization to The Jets have some degree of blame in that,

1207
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: and I think whenever a long term relationship deteriorates to

1208
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: the point the relationship between the Jets and Adams deteriorated

1209
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: to everybody is probably responsible to some extent. But the

1210
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that Adams did not want

1211
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: to remain a member of the Jets. I don't think

1212
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: it would have been product for him to stay around,

1213
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: and the Jets got a great package and return. The

1214
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: Jets now have multiple first round picks the next two years,

1215
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: and that's only they really need because even with Jamal Adams,

1216
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: this was not a team that was winning game. The

1217
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: team that was that needed a lot more than Jamal Adams.

1218
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: He was really the only player of value who could

1219
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: bring this type of draft capital back to them in return.

1220
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: So I think if you're looking long term, the Jets

1221
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: got what they needed. The Jets needed need more draft picks,

1222
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: and now, in the short run, it certainly makes the

1223
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: team worse for I don't think there's any question about that.

1224
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: But I think in the long run, the Jets have

1225
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: given themselves what they need, the resources that they need

1226
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: to finally turn this thing around and start building a

1227
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: competitive football team. Do you think this could be a

1228
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: seven win football team? I look at this roster, I

1229
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: think about what you just said. I think this team

1230
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: is going to be terrible. Seven wins feels like the

1231
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: win total for a mediocre team. Give me your take

1232
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 1: on that. Yes, I think this can be a seven

1233
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: win football team. I'm not sure whether it will be.

1234
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: I think I saw it on Pro Football Focus the

1235
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: other day there was an article that said that the

1236
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: Jets probably have the widest variety of potential outcomes of

1237
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: any team in the NFL this year because you do

1238
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: have a very promising third year quarterback in Sam Donald.

1239
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: And if you watch, if you look at the NFL,

1240
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: when teams arrive attempt to be because their quarterback takes

1241
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: a major step forward you look at Donald's first two seasons,

1242
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: they were up and down, but he also had I mean,

1243
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: there were also lots of issues and the team surrounding him.

1244
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: But here's the here's the fact that a lot of

1245
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: people don't realize. It's kind of amazing. Sam Donald was

1246
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: actually younger than Joe Burrow, so he kind of held

1247
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: his head above water. And a really bad situation his

1248
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: first two years with the Jets because Jets just we

1249
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: just were not a good football team. They did not

1250
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 1: put good pieces around him those first couple of seas.

1251
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: And and the fact he was able to do that

1252
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: while he still should have been at USC. This this

1253
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: was supposed to be his draft year. If he had

1254
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: stayed and exhausted his entire eligibility at USC, this would

1255
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: have been the year where he was drafted. So I

1256
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: was able to do that in such adverse circumstances. He

1257
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: gives you some hope for the future. Gives you some

1258
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: hope that perhaps this could be a year where he

1259
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: does big things. And I know the offensive roster is

1260
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: not that great right now, but I do think they've

1261
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: made improvements, especially on the offensive they brought in. I

1262
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have four new starters this year on

1263
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: the offensive line, including the first round pick McKay Beckton,

1264
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: who has a very high ceiling. If you look at

1265
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, now there's not gonna

1266
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: be Jamal Adams there and C. J. Mosley also opted

1267
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: out of the season, so there are some major question marks.

1268
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: You are bringing back Quinnin Williams, who's very promising player.

1269
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: He was the third overall pick in ten. Greg Williams

1270
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: did a great job last year the defensive coordinator. He

1271
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: worked around a lot of the issues that Jets had.

1272
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: He kind of adapted to players that he had. So

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Speaker 1: I think that there's a path to get to seven wins,

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Speaker 1: but they're also our issues. This is still not a

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Speaker 1: very good roster and you did lose Jamal at them,

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Speaker 1: so you know, I I don't. I think it's tough

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Speaker 1: to say. I think that can they get to seven wins? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Will they? I'm not so sure. It's hard to think

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Speaker 1: of Sam Donald and not think of what may have

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Speaker 1: been the most candid moment in the NFL last year

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Speaker 1: when on that Monday night football game, he's sitting on

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Speaker 1: the bench and he just said, after throwing one more

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Speaker 1: interception and getting pummeled. He just blatantly says, I'm seeing ghosts.

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Speaker 1: That was almost like you almost want to just reach

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Speaker 1: into the screen and hug the guy. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: a tough night for the Jets. I mean, nobody really

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Speaker 1: played well that night. But you have to remember that

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Speaker 1: came against the Patriot who had the top defense last year.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's worth noting. I mean, Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: is not the first twenty two year old quarterback to

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Speaker 1: be totally confused by Bill Belichick. No, that's true, and

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Speaker 1: like I know, he got better as the end of

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Speaker 1: the season went on, And like my bias year is

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Speaker 1: I am not a buyer on the Jets. I do

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Speaker 1: not think there are seven win team. I would take

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Speaker 1: the under in this one. But I also feel like, well,

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Speaker 1: the Jets played better at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the teams they played and the

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Speaker 1: teams that when they were winning, they weren't beating very

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Speaker 1: good teams. Like, where do you think the production for

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Speaker 1: this team comes from that could potentially get them to

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Speaker 1: seven wins? I think if it's going to happen, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to see about back year from Levian Bell

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Speaker 1: just gave him big money last year. He uh, of course,

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Speaker 1: famously held out of the twenty eight team season with

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Speaker 1: the Steelers. Came to the Jets and really did not produce.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not really sure how much of that was

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Speaker 1: his fault, because the offensive line was just the best

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Speaker 1: from the Jets last year from week one going forward.

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Speaker 1: So you're hoping that the additions they made on the

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Speaker 1: offensive line will at least make life a little bit

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Speaker 1: easier on Bell. They can lean on him a little

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Speaker 1: bit more in the run game. Also, they need to

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Speaker 1: utilize him better as a wide receiver. They really I

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Speaker 1: don't think they used his skills as well as they

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Speaker 1: could have last year by putting him into the slots

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Speaker 1: splitting him out wide at times. I think another guy

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Speaker 1: who's really going to have to step up for them

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Speaker 1: is Chris Herndon and was just a season for Herndon.

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Speaker 1: He began it with a four game suspension and then

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Speaker 1: read as he was about to return, he injured. He

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Speaker 1: had an injury, I believe with a hamstring injury. So

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Speaker 1: once he came off the suspended list, he was on

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Speaker 1: the bench. Her He finally came back for a game

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Speaker 1: against the Giants, had one catch and then suffered in

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Speaker 1: season ending injury there. But he's a guy who played

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Speaker 1: very well. He he played well as a rookie. He

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Speaker 1: developed good chemistry with Donald and another guy. I think

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Speaker 1: you looked to his Den deel Man's rookie out of Baylor.

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Speaker 1: Jet got him late second round. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: think that was a great value move. How much produce

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Speaker 1: as a rookie, I mean, that's the question. I think

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Speaker 1: if the Jet, I think for the Jet to get

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Speaker 1: the seven wins, guys are going to have to overachieve.

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Speaker 1: Guys are gonna have to beat expectations. But that's the path.

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Speaker 1: You know, whether it will happen again, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure I personally may take the under myself on

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Speaker 1: seven wins with the Jets. All right, John, Butcho from

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Speaker 1: the Lockdown Podcast Network, let me ask you one more question.

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Speaker 1: Last question, because this has been a tremendous debate along

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Speaker 1: with my colleagues Chris, Raybond and Stucky talking about the

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Speaker 1: a f C East, the value to win the division.

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Speaker 1: And you got the Bills, you got the Patriots, you

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Speaker 1: got the Dolphins, and you've got the Jets. We can

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Speaker 1: make a case for all of those teams except for

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Speaker 1: the Jets. Can you make a case for the Jets

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Speaker 1: to win the division? Objectively speaking, I think it's possible

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Speaker 1: if everything breaks right for the Jets, maybe some of

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Speaker 1: the some of the other teams have bad injury luck

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Speaker 1: to Jets have good injury luck. I think you always

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Speaker 1: have a NFL. If the guys I've mentioned step up

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Speaker 1: and have big seasons, then it could really impact the

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Speaker 1: Jets win total. But I think if you're looking at

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Speaker 1: this objectively, I mean New England and Buffalo right now

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Speaker 1: look like the class of this division. All right, John

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Speaker 1: Butcho Lockdown New York Jets podcast from the Lockdown Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the Favorites Right pleasure. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to all of our listeners. This has been the

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Speaker 1: Favorites podcast from the Action Network. I Am Chad Milman.

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