WEBVTT - Trivia, Rookies and Breaking down the Depth Chart | Bucs Insider 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:07.160 Welcome to Bucks Insider Live. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.879 Casey Phillips here with senior writer and editor Scott Smith, 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:11.800 and we are here to bring you all the Buccaneers 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.520 news that you need and our new tradition, a Bucks 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:17.639 Trivia question. I like this one. I think this is fun. 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.119 I did not know it, but I think it's very fun. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:21.680 So why don't we start out? And again, if you 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.800 want to answer for it, leave it underneath our live 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.279 Facebook video. We'll see if we can read out some 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:27.360 of the people to get the right answer. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:28.840 Later on, somebody will get it right. 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:29.920 Okay, all right, let's hear it. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.440 All right. Our question this week is, and I'm doing 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.320 this because we just signed a whole bunch of undrafted 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.600 players like you do after the draft. And the question 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.879 is who is the only undrafted player ever to make 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:40.920 the Pro Bowl as. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:42.240 A rookie for the Buccaneers. 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.080 So to be clear, some undrafted guys like Shelton Quarrels 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.760 and Donald Penn have eventually made the Pro Bowl. But 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.239 I'm saying they sign as undrafted rookie and to make 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:51.040 the Probowl that year. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:52.279 It's I've been done once and you. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:53.640 Just helped by giving a couple of clues of who 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.280 is not, so it just helps everyone to either of 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.200 those people. So all right, So again, if you have 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.280 the answer to that, leave it underneath our Facebook live 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.679 video stream here. So right now, let's dive into because, 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:06.800 as you pointed out, we've signed a lot of new 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.240 people and you have the rookies, you've got even some 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.119 other free agents they've brought in. So recently we put 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:13.880 up the idea of the numbers of how many at 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.320 each position we have on the team. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.319 That has changed since the last time we did it, 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:17.480 so we. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.119 Thought we'd give an updated look at those numbers, how 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.440 many guys we have at each position and what that 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.040 means to the team might still need to act. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:25.880 Yeah, we updated it because they did the draft and 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.520 they did the undrafted free agents, and so the roster 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.680 is now at ninety players. It can still change, obviously, 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:33.480 you could release somebody and sign somebody else, but it's 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.720 at ninety which is the limit, which is what you 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.520 take to training camp. And you look there, teams, particular, 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.200 coaching staffs and personnel staffs tend to try to hit 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:46.000 the same numbers closely each year. So if you look 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:47.960 at what they bucks took to training camp at each 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.880 position last year compared to what they have now, you'll 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.280 see some areas where there probably will be some tweaking. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.160 Like I think they're going to need a few more receivers. 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:56.680 You tend to like to have a lot of receivers 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.640 because it's tiring they run their routes or a lot 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.600 of running right as opposed to say like a defensive 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:04.000 lineman or something, So you want to have a lot 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.160 of them on hand for training camps. So I would 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.640 think you'd see a couple more of those, but it's 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.640 maybe one more quarterback. Seems to be running a little heavy. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.000 At the linebacker position right now, ten outside linebackers, and 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.440 I think that's a matter of just that's hard position 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.560 to fill and if you find any talent there, Like 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.079 they just signed after the tryouts after the rookie mini camp, 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.079 there were four guys signed that had participated on tryout 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.680 contracts and one of them was a rookie outside linebacker 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.320 named Marquise Watts. So I think some of these positions 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.640 right now they have just signed players because they're good 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.280 and they have a shot. But I would imagine that 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.400 some of those numbers will be tweaked a little bit, what. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.760 Are some of the other factors you think in terms 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.320 of why we would have certain numbers at certain positions 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.359 that why might it be a little different this year 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.679 versus last year, some of the motivations behind some of 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:51.760 those different numbers or. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.520 Now in sort of the I guess the third phase 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.920 of the offseason and your roster building. You have the 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.560 really quick rush of free agency and a few signs 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.880 here or there in April, and then you have the draft, 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.079 and after the draft, and after you signed some undrafted 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.520 free agency. And remember, you don't necessarily get every one 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.480 of those that you want. All the teams are calling 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.480 around trying to get land the guys that they want, 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.079 and so you may not get exactly what you want. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:15.920 And this is when you look at your roster now 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.079 and go, okay, good, we did a good job of 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.600 getting enough receivers, but we have to find a few 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.800 more running backs or something like that, and that could 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.200 involve veteran free agents that are out there, and sometimes teams. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:28.880 First of all, teams waited until after the draft. I 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:30.880 don't remember which exact May date, but it was some 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.880 date in May. After that, if you sign a free agent, 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:38.600 it no longer counts in the compensatory formula. So a 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.640 guy that if an unrestricted free agent, that if you'd 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.240 signed him in March or April, he would count against 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:44.160 you in that formula. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:45.080 Now he doesn't. 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.000 And then and then after June one, you have the 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.560 thing where you can spread out the salary cap pit. 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.920 So you know it's this is the time to reevaluate, 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.600 reevaluate your roster and say, man, I don't feel good 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.720 about our cornerback situation. 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.480 We really need another veteran cornerback. 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.800 And there's guys out there in every position, obviously not 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.920 superstars at this point, but there's still. 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.480 Some pretty well known free agents that are out there 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:06.960 on the market. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:07.320 Okay. 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.960 Also, I realized that we read the trivia question so 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:11.640 quick off the top, there's probably some people that have 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:13.640 joined in watching a little bit later. So I figured 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.440 we again read it one more time, just to give 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:16.760 people a shot, and then we'll. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.680 Keep well in honor of us just having signed a 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.000 bunch of undrafted free agents. The question is who is 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.080 the only undrafted player ever to make the Pro Bowl 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.760 as a rookie for the Buccaneers. So Right, signed that 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.039 year as an undrafted for agent, played for the Bucks 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:29.800 made the Pro Bowl that. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:30.960 Year, Okay, I like it. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.400 And in terms of the drafted guys on our team, 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.920 I know that every year there's always typically somebody maybe 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.280 you know, the later rounds that can end up making 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.880 an impact on the team. And you know that there's 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:44.680 the guys that you kind of know or maybe get 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.920 you know, getting drafted early on to start, But then 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.640 there's always guys that maybe that sixth, you know, round, fifth, sixth, 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.400 seventh round that they're always like, man, look at that 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.640 this guy stuck around. I think about an Anthony Nelson, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.520 who's you know, had some some big impact, you know, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.440 kind of that mid round guy. What do you feel 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.720 like is a guy this year that has a chance 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:03.440 to do something like that? 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.440 Actually I kind of feel pretty good about all of 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.839 our six round picks because there seems to be obvious 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.040 roles for them. Josh Hayes is a shot at being 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.440 the nickel. Trey Palmer is that Berner who can be 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.520 sort of I guess the next Scotty Miller who can 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.280 take the He could probably do more than just that, 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.159 but he can take the top off the defense. But 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.480 the guy would focus on is Jose Ramirez. Which was 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.920 the last of those three, and that was a very 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.120 well received If you read draft braids and stuff, people 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:28.960 think the Bucks got a little bit of a steal there. 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.040 Very very productive. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.480 And after the draft on that night, John spy Tech 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.200 he said, I'm not saying he's Shaq Barrett, but he 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.360 sort of compared him to Shaq Beart because their style 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.400 of play, how they just work really hard and they 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.240 may not be the absolute biggest or the absolute fastest guys, 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.200 which is why Shaq Barrett went undrafted out out of 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.600 Colorado State and Jose Ramirez lasted until the sixth round, 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.520 but both of them are really really productive players. And 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.560 actually it was kind of funny because John Spytech was 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.600 making that comparison basically because of the sort of players 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.480 that they were. But if you look at their last 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.359 year in college and how they peaked, it's nearly identical. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:05.000 I mean, look at this. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:07.920 The shack is on the left and Joseier and Maris 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.880 is on the right. Look at those numbers, they're practically identical. 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.440 They both had twelve sacks, nineteen or nineteen and a 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.280 half tackles for loss, and they both were their conference's 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.080 defensive player of the year that year, so they really 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:19.120 peaked at the right time. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:20.520 Shaq arrived. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.480 He signed with Denver as an un drafted free agent, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.120 kind of had to wait a little bit, but then 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.960 became a rotational player and did well when he got 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.280 playing time. But then he got a chance to start 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.640 here in Tampa and we all see what happened. So hopefully, 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.760 if you get anything like the sort of production that 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.720 you got out of Shack from Jose Ramiers, then you've 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:36.400 really nnowned that. 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:37.160 Sixth round pick. 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.040 Yeah, and I know that we talked about in the 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.679 numbers that wide receiver was a position we had seen 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:43.520 lately of Yeah, the odds are they're going to be 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.800 adding Yeah, some more of those that we were low 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.240 on that going into camp, and so they have made 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.839 one of those editions. They've signed wide receiver. David Moore 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.800 tell us a little bit about this guy and what 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.320 are the odds that he's going to be a contributor. 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:54.520 Yeah. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.520 The fun thing about that one was he tried out, 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.520 he participated in the rookie camp on a trial contract. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.800 But he's anything like a rookie and you can do that. 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.240 You know, there's no rules against that, but it kind 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.200 of it's not that common. And after the draft, after 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.040 the week in mini camp, the Buccaneers signed him. He 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.360 was a seventh throne draft pick of the Seahawks in 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.120 twenty seventeen. But as you can see, I'm not seeing 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.800 these are blowers the doors off numbers, right, But this 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.720 is three years in a row of being a relatively 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.480 you know, productive player, like a third or fourth receiver. 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.720 You can see from his averages in his foot in 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.840 eighteen and nineteen and the long receptions he had each 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.040 year that he can he can get deep, he can 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:32.840 make some big play shore. That's a lot of touchdowns 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.040 honestly for the amount of playing time, thirteen touchdowns. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:37.200 Wow, that's that's a lot. 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.360 So, I mean, this is the guy that's shown he 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.280 can play in this league and you know, just kind 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.440 of uncover that and gave you a little bit of 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.600 depth there and more competition for maybe like the fifth 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:47.600 or sixth spot on the receiving core. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.119 Yeah, I mean we've seen we know Mike Evin's, Chris Godwin, 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.560 Russell Gage, we know who those guys are to an 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:53.760 extent what they bring to it. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.160 So what are the other things that you feel like, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:55.560 what are. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.720 The maybe the gaps or holes that the other you know, 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.000 people whether it Howard Many and up with are going 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:02.240 to be trying to fill. Is it going to be 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.880 the special team's ability? And then how much is it 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.240 going to be the wide receiver ability. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:07.400 It's a great point in your part. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.440 Those guys that are like the fourth, fifth, and six guys, 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.559 usually you really want them to also have a special 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.480 team's role, and if they don't, they have a hard 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.880 time being active on game to either they maybe you're 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.800 sixth receiver, but you only keep five actives. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.880 So I'm sure all of these guys know this. 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.040 I know Trey Palmer has talked about playing on special 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.280 teams as an example. But you also want a little 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.040 I know you think, okay, you got Mike Evans who 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.400 does this, and Godwin who does this, and Russell Gage 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:31.120 who does this? 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.079 What else do we need? But you also need a 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:34.960 little bit of redundancy, you know what I'm saying. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:39.000 So because like Rashad Perryman didn't necessarily do anything in 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.599 his last few years with Bucks that Mike Evans or 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.800 Godwin didn't do. But there are times when somebody's hurt 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.240 just undertaible. So it's nice to have a little bit 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:52.040 of redundancy. You can't find a second exactly Mike Evans, 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:53.360 but if you can find a guy that can fill 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.960 the same role. You know, Mike runs a deep route 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:57.760 and then has to come out the field for a 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.160 couple snaps, and this guy goes in and can do 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:00.679 the same thing. 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:02.280 Yeah, that's going to be interesting to see. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.320 And I'm just intrigued to see how having a new 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.360 offensive coordinator changes the types of guys that make those 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.880 last positions. How they're wanting to use some different people. 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.280 I think, you know who really excels in a new scheme. 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.719 Well, they may want somebody who can really do well 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.079 in the slot, because I think the goal is to 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.480 get Chris Godwin out of the slot for more. Like 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.400 I don't think they want to use him as much 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.120 in the slot as they have because you get beat 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:28.480 up a lot in the side, and you know Chris, 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:29.520 he's such a willing blocker. 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:30.960 Yeah, he'll take it right. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.480 He'll take the hits and he'll deliver the hits. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.360 And so if he plays more snaps on the outside, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.120 they think he'll be able to play more snaps period. Right, 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.439 He's missed some time in the last couple of years, 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.000 and he's so valuable to the offense. It's not saying 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:45.439 he won't play in the slot, but I think he's 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:46.800 not gonna be in there as much. So to have 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:48.400 other guys can do that would be helpful. 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:50.000 Okay, all right, Well that is going to do it 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.520 for us on this We have to give our answer 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.120 to the trivia question before we go. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:53.960 Tell us. 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:54.839 Sorry, everybody get it. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:56.719 Nobodybody has gotten it. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.760 I know it's so it's so crazy, but especially because 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.640 it's a Smith. Oh it's Clifton Smith, is the answer. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.440 So do you want me to tell you this story? 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:05.719 Yes? 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:06.320 Tell the story. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:06.679 Okay. 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.679 So in two thousand and eight, the Buccaneers use a 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.600 second round pick on Appalachian state wide receiver Dexter Jackson. 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.360 Not the Super Bowl MVP Dexter Jackson, They're a different one, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.160 thinking he would be the return man. It didn't really 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:21.120 work out, and sometime about on October, the Bucks We're like, well, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.520 this isn't working out, So they brought up Clifton Smith, 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.360 who they'd signed as an undrafted free agent. I'm San 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:29.160 Diego and I mean small guy. That's why he was undrafted. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.280 He was a very productive running back in college. But 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.719 he was really small and he was amazing, Like he 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:35.920 immediately returned to kickoff for a touchdown and you were 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.160 trying to punt for a touchdown. I don't remember the 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.640 exact averages, but he averaged like thirty yards per kickoff 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:41.200 return or someone. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:41.360 Wow. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:42.839 And he made the Pro Bowl as a rookie. And 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.040 that's the only time that's ever happened for the Bucks 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:46.280 with an undrafted guy. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:47.080 That's amazing. 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:48.319 I love that. All Right, that's going to do it 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.480 for us on this edition of Bucks Insider Live. We 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.720 will see you next time, and thanks again for watching.