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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Ali Ben you well, you

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Speaker 1: are here, you and you're listening to All Ball, All

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Speaker 1: We got a great special guest on on this version

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Speaker 1: of All Ball. His name is Andy Kennedy. He's the

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Speaker 1: former head coach of for a year the Sincinnati bag

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Speaker 1: and a really really good one. Plus an amazing kind

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Speaker 1: of life story, a life well lived, you know, transfer

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Speaker 1: a guy who's played overseas, a little bit um in

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Speaker 1: And of course it's been a long time assistant part

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Speaker 1: of that Bob Huggins family and a long time head

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Speaker 1: coach in his own right. So we'll get to we'll

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Speaker 1: tackle a myriad of topics with with the one and

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Speaker 1: only Andy Kennedy in mere moments. Let me let me

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Speaker 1: first promote my radio show twelve to three Pacific Coast time,

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Speaker 1: Doug Otlip Shows on Fox Sports Radio the I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio app series x M two seventeen and two oh three,

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Speaker 1: where you can hear all of my opinions on a

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Speaker 1: variety of topics, not just on the NBA or college basketball.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you a couple of, I guess

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Speaker 1: I saw San Diego State play in person and the Aztecs.

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Speaker 1: look they were. They've been a dominant team, absolute dominant

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Speaker 1: team in the Mountain West Conference until recently. Here's San

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Speaker 1: Diego State and Brian Deutscher's entering his third year as

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Speaker 1: To be totally candid with you, think about what San

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Speaker 1: of disappointing, you know, the Malique Pope thing never never

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Speaker 1: kind of worked out. This year they're three and oh

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Speaker 1: a really good team. You know, they're averaging about eighty

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Speaker 1: Jordan's shakle shackle, excuse me, Bishop Montgomery kid can really shoot.

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Speaker 1: two sixties seven last year. Nathan mens Is. They're starting big.

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Speaker 1: Huge body. They have those big bodies that they've always had,

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific

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Speaker 1: Let's welcome in the longtime head coach of Old Miss

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Speaker 1: a k Andy Kennedy. How are you? What's up? Dog? Um?

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Speaker 1: Or do you have the reusable bags in my car.

426
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431
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Speaker 1: all ball nine. Um, you mentioned Puerto Rico's an experience,

432
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: All right, give me an experience, give me give me

433
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: your best Puerto Rico story. Well, my, my, uh my, uh.

434
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: The owner of our team was the head of the

435
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: c i A in Puerto Rico, guy named Wan al Matta,

436
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: and he was he was quite a character. But you know,

437
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: I went over expecting, you know, would be me in

438
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: nine Puerto Ricans, but it was it wasn't a you know,

439
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: you know how it is over there. Anybody with any

440
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican and says three is considered Puerto Rican in

441
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 1: this league. So it was just like America. You know.

442
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: It was me and nine dudes that could run and

443
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 1: jump and play, and they were all as American as

444
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: I was. So it was just like you know, high

445
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: level college basketball, uh in these in these little cracker

446
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: box gyms throughout the country of Puerto Rico where they're smoking.

447
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: You can barely you know, you could you barely see

448
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: the other end of the court for all the smoke

449
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: in the gym and everybody's drinking and shooting fireworks. It

450
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: was it was quite a it was quite an adventure. Yeah,

451
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting. And I'm sure you've experienced this, you

452
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: know where where you're you're recruiting a kid and they

453
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 1: all say they love it, and you're like, really, you

454
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: love it? Okay, go play in Greece in the smoke

455
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: filled gym where you don't know if you're gonna get paid, right,

456
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: and and you hang your stuff on a little hook

457
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: in the locker room and dudes are smoking after the games. Yeah,

458
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: take your own ankle, find your own ice. I remember

459
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: my um I was so I finished up and I

460
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: was supposed to play with the team in Italy with

461
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: an Israeli passport. I go to Israel. They won't give

462
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: me a passport us I live in the country. So

463
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: I go back and I essentially get cut and then

464
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm in the c B A and I thought I

465
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: made the Idaho Stampede. I'm competing for a starting spot

466
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: with a man Darren McClinton and then all of a sudden,

467
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: Randy Livingston gets cut from the Bulls, like the day

468
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: before the season, and we play an exhibition game and

469
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't play a minute. I realized that's because they're

470
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: bringing Randy Livingston in. They released me. Then I'm in

471
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: the I Do. I called two games on ESPN Plus

472
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: and then I play in the I B A. I

473
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: fly to Russia. I practice for a week, I play

474
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: in Russia and I never forget this. Like we get

475
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: done playing in St. Petersburg in the middle of winter,

476
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, can I get some ice right,

477
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: like you know, you want to always on ice up

478
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: after a game, and they're like, loot. I was like, no,

479
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: no ice, can I get ice? Loot? Loot? And I

480
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: was like, all right, whatever, loot. So they go outside

481
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: and they scoop up lootus is snow and so they

482
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: just go outside, scoop up snow, put it in a

483
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: plastic bag and hand you like looked like, good, no,

484
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: there we go. I just hold it. Work it does

485
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: it does all right? So how did you go from

486
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: U A B To working for Huggins at Cincinnati. Well,

487
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: you know, before we get to the other You're reminded

488
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: me of a great story. People don't have any idea.

489
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: They think there's this pot of gold overseas and everybody's

490
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: gonna cater to their every feet. They really have no idea.

491
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 1: I remember getting the phone call. I get released by

492
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: Sharlot or like a Tuesday, and on Thursday I get

493
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: a call And that was back, you know, before the

494
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: whole e ticket deal. So you go to the counter

495
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: at the at the at the airport and get your

496
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: boarding passed. So you show up and I get on

497
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: a plane and fly planes, trains and automobiles to get

498
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: to Athens, Greece and land and literally have no idea

499
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: where I'm going. Who's there to get me? I mean,

500
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: it's just it's just blind faith that somebody scoops you

501
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: up because you've got a one way ticket. I mean,

502
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: I can't even get home, like if I'm if I'm

503
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: sitting in the airport and nobody shows up, I don't

504
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: even know how to get home. And that's what you

505
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: in just like you said prior to you know, understanding, uh,

506
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: we're not going to get paid where you gonna live?

507
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: What's going on? You just kind of show up and

508
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: hope it works out. You know that that that that

509
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: actually is my Russian story. I don't remember I've told

510
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: it on this pod. But so I was, so I

511
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: I I played, I called two games speaking of U

512
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: A B. Pete Jerss, Who's I believe he's a U

513
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: A B. A lum right he was at that that

514
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: time he worked at Okay. He's got great deffinity for

515
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: you A B. So he calls and I'm I'm working

516
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: out and doing stuff in Oklahoma City, and he's like, hey,

517
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 1: you want to call some games? We want to take

518
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: a listen to you. So I did UH Texas. I

519
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: was O TCU at Butler and that was the coach

520
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: at at Butler on like a Saturday. Greedy Daniels was

521
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: the point guard at TCU. Then I do TCU Texas

522
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: Tech and I'm literally having drinks with Pete after the game,

523
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: and I get a call from my basketball agent like, hey, uh,

524
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: we we got some interest from a couple of UH

525
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: foreign teams, but you haven't played, Like you want to

526
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: go play in the in the ib AS. Like what

527
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: in the hells the ib A? I go play in Salina, Kansas,

528
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: But to play in Salina Kansas. They were playing in

529
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: in Des Moines, Iowa. So I call a game in

530
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: Fort Worth, fly the next day to Des Moines, play

531
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: the next two nights in de Moines. Then we bust overnight.

532
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: I've never been on a sleeper bus. Was like something

533
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: out of the movie. Uh Major Leagues, Um, we're on

534
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: a sleeper bus. We go back to Saline of Kansas.

535
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: Played four games in like five nights in Salina, Kansas,

536
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: and right before the last game, I get the call

537
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: from my agent like, hey, this Russian team wants you

538
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: in perm Russia. I'm like all right, So I play

539
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: a game in Salnea, pack up my stuff, we drive

540
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: my wife back to uh our apartment in Oklahoma City

541
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 1: and or maybe to her parents house whatever. I fly

542
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma City to Newton, New York. I have to

543
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: go to the consulate to get a visa. So, like

544
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: you land in the morning, I took my first like

545
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock. I go directly to the constant, fill

546
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: out some papers, and I gotta come back at like

547
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: to something. Then I fly overnight to Russia to Moscow.

548
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: And when I landed in Moscow, like you're groggy, you

549
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: don't know what a day or night. No, no, because

550
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: I was I had to catch another flight. So because

551
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: it's in it's in a different city. So we land

552
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: in Moscow and I come out and get my bag

553
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: and it's the same thing, like I got a one

554
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: way ticket. I have no cell phone that works. This

555
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: is in two thousand and one, in January, and I'm

556
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: looking around, looking around, and all I see is a

557
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: bunch of Russia writing and the basketball, and I'm like,

558
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: it must be my guy that's got me. So I

559
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: was like me, He's like, he takes my bag and

560
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: he's like smoking, and he puts me in the car

561
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: and he points to the back of the seat. So

562
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, and here's what. Here's my memory. Because he

563
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: did stop and we got something to eat, and he

564
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: ordered food and we drank hot tea and ate something

565
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: that was terrible. But I remember like coming in out

566
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: of consciousness and seeing Red Square. It's kind of what

567
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: you're saying about the Parthenon, and it reminded me of

568
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: somebody in like a spy movie who was drugged, who

569
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: like you're like in and out of consciousness and you're

570
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: seeing different parts of Russia and all of a sudden

571
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: next thing I know, I'm yes, yes, but they're taking

572
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: me to another airport. Because the way it works in

573
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: Moscow was you flew into one airport and then they

574
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: take you to another, and that other one spits you

575
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: out to the other cities in Russia. Anyway, then you like,

576
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: he drops me off another airport and hands me a

577
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: plane ticket, and then just like I got ahead, fend

578
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: for yourself. That's it. And then I flew to another

579
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: airport and you know, we land and it's ice and snow,

580
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: and there's another lady with a basketball symbol that doesn't

581
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: speak English. You're like, all right, and then I end up.

582
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: I end up an apartment that used to be occupied

583
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: by Roy Marble, which is unbelievable or not not Roy Marble,

584
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: Roy Tarpley, who had there drinking drug problems. So people,

585
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: people have no idea I've got. I played in about

586
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: five different countries, and I can tell you just incredible

587
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: stories about each. I did the same thing. I landed

588
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: time after while about a seventeen hour flight landed. They

589
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: picked me up. We have pleasantries. Hey how are you doing?

590
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: That's all they could say. And they took me right

591
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: to the gym and I played a game like literally

592
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: an hour and forty five minutes after landing into the country. Wow, okay,

593
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: so I was with it. I was with I've also

594
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: played old teams where the coach didn't speak English, so

595
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: that the other American has to tell you what the

596
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: coaches saying. And then you start scoring more points than

597
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 1: him and he starts becoming quiet, so so he freezes

598
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: you out with nothing to play. Let me go that

599
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: happened to me. That happened to me in Israel. In Israel,

600
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: everybody speaks English. I played for a guy named Sharonne

601
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: Drewker and there was another point guard, the only other,

602
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: the only Israeli true Israel. He's like you're saying about

603
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: perto Rico, like everybody. We had a bunch of Americans that,

604
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, you marry in Israeli check or you're Jewish

605
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: like media gets really citizenship. So we had Corey Carr.

606
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: We had a guy Jesse Salters who played at South

607
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: Florida UM and mate Militia who played at Long Beach State. Anyway,

608
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: the only Israeli that could really play was this guy,

609
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: guy Contour, and you know they would coach and he

610
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: would coach in English, and then all of a sudden,

611
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: like I would play well in the first half and

612
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: play more minutes than guy, and I come in the

613
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: locker room and they're arguing in Hebrew and and I

614
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: was like, what the what is that? And then we

615
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: go out and all of a sudden, like I'm coming

616
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: off the bench again, like Okay, that's that's that's what

617
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: we Yeah, that's what that's what that's what's going on here,

618
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: all right. So so you're you're at you a b

619
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: How did you get to Huggins? Now, listen to this.

620
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: I've known Bobs like a lot of people have known Bobs.

621
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: You know, we had we had actually recruited because Huggs

622
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: was recruiting you know, Jukes a lot and those here

623
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: in that time and that you were a lot of Jukes.

624
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: So we were cross pass on different guys throughout the country.

625
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: But long story short, back in July. You know, the

626
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: July period has changed so much over time. I remember

627
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: that when I was first starting coaching, July was basically

628
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: an open period. So you'd pack your bag and you'd

629
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: be going for twenty three days. You'd be going twenty

630
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: three straight days. There were no often I mean it

631
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: was twenty three. You can go to high schools. You

632
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: you could go there, not nearly as regulatory as it

633
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: is today. Then they went to a period where it

634
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: was I believe seven days on, seven days off, seven

635
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: days on, or maybe it was ten on, seven off,

636
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: ten on. I don't remember. But the first period, I'm

637
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: at U A B and I went out as a

638
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: U A B representative. I'm recruiting for you a B.

639
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: McK cronin left Cincinnati to go join Patino at Louisville.

640
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: So there was a spot open. Uh, you know, I

641
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: tried to throw my hat in the ring. Some people

642
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: that reached out, We had some mutual friends, YadA, YadA, YadA.

643
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: Next thing, I know, the night before the second period

644
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: that started to end it, I get a call from

645
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: Hugs and you know, basically he offers me the job.

646
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: I accept the job. He tells me I'm gonna be

647
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. And at the time, I've never been

648
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas in my life. He said, hey, you're

649
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna fly to Las Vegas. I'll be there

650
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: in a couple of days. Boom boom, boom, will FedEx

651
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: your cell phone and some gear here's the hotel. Go

652
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: and that's what happened. So I flew out and worked

653
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: for Hugs then and we connected and you know, I

654
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: was with him for four years. Uh, learned an incredible

655
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: amount of basketball. You're talking about a basketball So Bob

656
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: hugg And sees the game at different levels. Uh, in

657
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: my opinion, should be a first ballot Hall of Famer

658
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: for everything that he's accomplished and still closely I agree

659
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: with you and and and echo that. I gotta tell

660
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: you my hugging story. Okay, So, um, I'm at Notre

661
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: Dame and I've obviously got in trouble, had to leave,

662
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: and so I my idea, my my father's like, hey man,

663
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: well let's you should go. We'll go to junior college.

664
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: My one of my high school coaches, my first high

665
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: school coach, was a coach at Golden West. Practice with

666
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: the team actually be helping coach do all this different

667
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: stuff and not play, not lose your year. So in

668
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: the meantime, um, that first summer before i'd even bear

669
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: layed in junior college, well gone to junior college. Excuse me,

670
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: I played in junior college event in Vegas. So this

671
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: is you might have you might have been at it. Uh.

672
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: It was in nine, the summer of so yeah, we're

673
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: in Vegas and it's me and cat Claim McKnight, who

674
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: actually did the same thing. He transferrom U c I

675
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: to Pacific. He also sat out for a year, but

676
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: that was my intent. So I go and I'm in.

677
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: I played a year of college basketball, you know, I

678
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: started Notre Dame, so like, I'm played against these duco dudes,

679
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: and it is I made it, you know, even though

680
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: they're high level athletes, they had like you know when

681
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: you played college basketball completely right. So I'm I'm playing.

682
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: I played right and I actually had a actually had

683
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: a nasty dunk. Like I'm in just in the greatest

684
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: shape of my life. So I get home and I

685
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: get a call. My Mom's like Bob Huggins from Cincinnati's

686
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: on the phone. I was like, okay, so um it's

687
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: like hello, and he says, uh, how you want to come?

688
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 1: And I was like, excuse me? You know, yeah, he said,

689
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: he said, uh listen, uh salty playing Vegas. Godt you

690
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: did great. Need a point guard? Uh you want to come?

691
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: Or don't you want to come? Because we got we

692
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: got a hell of a team. We got a lot

693
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: of athletes we could we we'd love to have you.

694
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: Just let me know if do you want to come

695
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: or not. I just I don't. I don't need the bullshit,

696
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't need to need

697
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: to run around. Just let me know if you want

698
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: to come, you know, to think about it. I can

699
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: send you some stuff, you can check out a roster.

700
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: You want to come out here, you come out of here.

701
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't really care. Just let me know if you

702
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: want to come. I was like, okay, and uh. That

703
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: that was that was And I was like, okay, okay,

704
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: and um. What's what's interesting was I didn't and I

705
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: should have. Like in terms of the roster, you would

706
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: have done well for him. You could have done good

707
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: behind that's what you know. It wouldn't have been easy

708
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: some days, but but you're tough enough you could have

709
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: handled it. And no question. So so I'll die, I'll

710
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: dial you back through what you that was the year

711
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: when you didn't have ninety nine because I had played

712
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: with um, um, who did I played with? That? That

713
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: was you had Damon Flint had played with our AU team, right,

714
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: And that was that was that Danny Fordson was that

715
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: that crew? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then Bobby Bobby Brandon

716
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: as well, Yeah, Ryan Fletcher maybe yes, and ye Kenyan

717
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: was but you had um you didn't have There wasn't

718
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: a point guard on that team for like for like

719
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: two years. You still end up gotta like winning the

720
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: league until um, who was the little point are Steve?

721
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: You got Steve Logan? Like the year it would have been,

722
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: it would have been my I would have been my

723
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: junior year, but it was like that was a team

724
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: that you had. Yeah, yeah, Logan was a backcourt. I

725
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: didn't get there to oh one. I got there Logan

726
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: senior year. It was one of the It was the

727
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: first year maybe in like twenty some five years that

728
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: since it was not preseason ranked, uh, coming into the

729
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: college basketball season, so everybody thought we would be down again.

730
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: It's my first year there, and we lost to Oklahoma State.

731
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: Ironically enough, in the opener. I don't know if it

732
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: was a preseason in I T I can't remember, but

733
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: we go to Oklahoma State and lose a close game. Uh.

734
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: Then we reeled off twenty in a row. We end

735
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: up going thirty one and four and getting beat in

736
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: the second round in the eight one game because U

737
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: c l A, who was the preseason number one team

738
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: in the country, had had not performed to that level.

739
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: So they were in the eight nine game. They win,

740
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: and they beat us in double overtime in Pittsburgh. I

741
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: believe it was like one nineteen fifteen, some crazy number

742
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: for a Bob Huggins defensively, but U c l A

743
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: at the time, I think they had like seven or

744
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: eight pros on that team. One oh five, one oh

745
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: one in double overtime. Yeah, he did lose Oklahoma State.

746
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: And that was the year. That was the year after

747
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: we had all left a bunch, No, I was it

748
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: was two years after we had left, right that was? Yeah?

749
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: So um yeah, how did how does The funniest thing

750
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: about the story about beginning to the Cincinnati job that

751
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave this out. So I was

752
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: not the first choice. Huggs had offered the job to

753
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: a couple of people, one of which was the guy

754
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: that signed me at North Carolina State, Tom A. Better Marco,

755
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: you know the name in the eight the alphabet man

756
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: in the eighties the early nineties. He was. He was

757
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: the best there was. He was signing the best players

758
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: in the country. So uh, Tom A Better Marco signed

759
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: me at NC State and then he left to become

760
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: a head coach. He never coached me at NC State,

761
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember which was first. It was

762
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: either Drake or Lamar. He either got Drake and then

763
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: took Lamar. Was at Lamar to Drake, I can't remember.

764
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: But he became a head coach who was never around

765
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: when I was there. But I've known him, you know,

766
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: we still talked to, you know, periodically till today. And

767
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: so um Huggs had offered a Better Marco the job,

768
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: I think coach of Better Marco had accepted the job

769
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: and was going through a personal situation on the West Coast,

770
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: and I don't think he could leave, and so it

771
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: ended up opening And I get it. The reason I

772
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: know it was serious is because in my office for

773
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: an entire year, these are the old school phone So

774
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: when when someone would call the office and the call

775
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: would be for me on my phone, it would say

776
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: phone call for Tim a Better Marco. That's how far

777
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: along it was. I mean, he was in the system

778
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: and I never got a change because I wanted it

779
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: to be a reminder of how fortunate I was to

780
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: have the opportunity. That's amazing. Alright. So here's he was

781
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: in California coaching at Sack State. My brother was his assistant.

782
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: So I mean, and I mean, you want to talk

783
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: about a guy who has been everywhere and I gotta

784
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: get him on the spot, him tell some stories. I mean,

785
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: he's and you know what, he has an amazing eye

786
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: for talent too. It's not just that he's a great recruiter,

787
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: Like he can go into a gym and finding go

788
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: into an ox auxiliary gym. Like, hey, this kid can

789
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: play like damn damn but better Marco. You're right, alphabet

790
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: man can can. But and he I mean he worked

791
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: under Jimmy v Uh, Lefty, Lou Carnessca. I mean, you

792
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: you name it. He's He's the Forrest Gump of college basketball.

793
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: That's really, that's really what he is, the force come

794
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: in college best. That's a great that's a great call.

795
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: You You should get him on the pot because he

796
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: would have. I mean, this guy's been doing this in

797
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: the trenches for forty years. Pretty amazing. So how did

798
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: you get the how the old miss job? Well okay, well,

799
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: first you got the Cincinnati job. When when Huggins got

800
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: got suspended. What was what was that like? Because at

801
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: the time, and this is I'll give you kind of

802
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: my timeline of because your story is more important. Mind.

803
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: But it's interesting. I always have like I revere Bob Huggins.

804
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: I think he's great, okay, and and I think I

805
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: just I love the way he gives it to his players,

806
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: and he actually takes it back from some of them, right,

807
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: like some of those guys, you know, he wants you

808
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: to challenge him back. He you know, he at least

809
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: in those days, you know, he was always looking to

810
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: live on the edge as it related to your be

811
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: emotionally raw all the time on both sides of the fence.

812
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting because in a different way, Coach Sutton had

813
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: the same sort of thing going. A lot of these

814
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: coaches had this thing going where they would they'd almost

815
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: turned the players against the coaches in order to get

816
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: them to play it at this kind of emotionally peak

817
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: level right where you like unified and to get the

818
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: unified all the locking us versus them. Yeah, let's all

819
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: stick together. And and you know, because this coach is

820
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: crazy that that was kind of a method to the madness. Yeah,

821
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: Now did he discuss that with you, because like, I

822
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: don't know if Coach Sutton discussed it with his guys.

823
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: Are just because we you know, you get to Christmas

824
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: breaking like we fucking hate them and they hate us,

825
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: Like did was it? Was it a plan to discuss

826
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: it or you guys just kind of went a long

827
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: understand No, you you there was never a discussion. You

828
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: just started figuring out, Oh, this is how it works here.

829
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna we've won twenty in a row.

830
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: We're in fourth in the country. Life is good. We

831
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, let's pick a fight in the

832
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: locker room and so now let's curate some chaos because

833
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: that's where worth better and where's were we're more comfortable,

834
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: and so gus. It's also the type of also the

835
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: type of guys that he likes to recruit to, Like

836
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't recruit complacent dudes like you can't play for him,

837
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: like a three car garage kid would would really really

838
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: struggle there, you know, whereas he recruits tough dudes that

839
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: are better in adverse adversity than they are in complacency.

840
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: Fair and you know, you're you're completely fair and adversity

841
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: is their normal, you know, uh, normal to to you

842
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: and I is different than normal to to a lot

843
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: of those guys in that they lived in chaos, so

844
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: that was normal to them. So if you put them

845
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: into a quote unquote normal situation, they would be uncomfortable

846
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: and be passive and not be uh what they were

847
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: brought there to be. So yeah, we were always in

848
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: terminal oil. Uh the thing goes down. We had a

849
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: new chancellor, um got sideways with coach, ended up firing

850
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: coach basically giving him an ultimated I wasn't going to

851
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: take the job, but we had five seniors on that team.

852
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: I was at the time of the associate head coach

853
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: and the recruiting coordinator, so a lot of those guys

854
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: were our guys. And I went to Hugs and I said, hey, man,

855
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do this if if you don't want

856
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: me to, but I do you know, I know, we

857
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: feel obligated. These kids are here and they came to

858
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: play for you, and they're seniors. They can't go anywhere.

859
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: You know. We had a couple of kids that had

860
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: signed that didn't show up, and you know, so we

861
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: were we were only sitting on about eight kids, but

862
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: five of them were seniors. So he was like, hey,

863
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: do you think you can win, because I don't want

864
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: it to ruin your career. And I'm like, you know, bro,

865
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can or I can't, but

866
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: I do feel like, you know, it's an opportunity that

867
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: that we we owe these kids. And he said, I

868
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: agree with you. You got my support, so I took

869
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: the job. It was the first year that Cincinnati was

870
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: joining the old Big East, so US, Cincinnati, Louisville, Paul

871
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: Marquette all went into the Big East. And if you

872
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: remember that year, which was oh five oh six, it

873
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: was the first year that any conference got eight bids

874
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: to the tournament. Uh that that that league got eight

875
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: bids and two number one Villanovo was a one and

876
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: Calhoun's Yukon was the number one. So it was an

877
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: incredible league. I go to I never called a time

878
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: out at any level, never been a coach, never been

879
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: a junior high coach, never been a direct league coach,

880
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: so I've become the head coach at Cincinnati. The TV

881
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: schedule was already set, so everybody thought Cincinnati would be

882
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: in the top half of the league. So we had

883
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: monster doubleheader. I mean it was crazy. The schedule, I

884
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: think stranger schedule was like five or six in the

885
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: country I got in front of me. But let's let's

886
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: let's let's go through it. Okay. So your first game

887
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: as head coach is against Murray, right, and was who

888
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: is the coach of Murray at the right, So who's

889
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: a former Hugs assistant? But also like, look who you're

890
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: talking abou funny Duck. So so Mick leave Cincinnati to

891
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: go to Louisville, I get mixed job. I coach one

892
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: year at Cincinnati, I leave to go to Old Miss.

893
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: Mick becomes a Cincinnati coach. So I mean, it's gotta

894
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: got a seven levers of seven layers of Kevin Bacon. Okay.

895
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: So you um, you mentioned the Big East schedule. Okay,

896
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: So you you start to gear off. You guys are

897
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: doing well. You're thirteen and two after beating Marquette. You

898
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: go to Yukon, who was like the best team that

899
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: I got. I got stories, though, Let's let's go through

900
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: this because these are classic stories. Frank Martin was my assistant,

901
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: by the way, yep, uh, So it was Frank and

902
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: I it was Frank's second year. He and I were

903
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: assistants for Hugs a year that he worked for me

904
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: for a year. So anyway, we opened up against McK

905
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: cronin and Murray State won a close game. They were

906
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: good to go to the NC Tournament that year. We

907
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: were fortunate to win the game. We then I think

908
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: we're after a three and oh start. We lose dat

909
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: at home? Right, we lose at home, which hold for

910
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: for people who don't hold on for people who don't understand, Okay,

911
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: like Dayton is. Dayton has always kind of been a

912
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: little bit little brother to Xavier, let alone Cincinnati, even

913
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: though it's forty five minutes down the road, you know,

914
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: as as the crow flies. So this is this, you know,

915
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: for for any big school, right, this is Cincinnati and

916
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: Bob Bob Huggins program. You lose to Dayton, go ahead,

917
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: and we played and we played dating every year back

918
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: in those days. We played Dayton every year. We play

919
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: them home in a way, you know. So this year

920
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: happened to be at Cincinnati. The next year it could

921
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: be and they but we played them every year for

922
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: a number of years. Hugs is great about that. So anyway,

923
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: we lose that game, first time that Cincinnati had lost

924
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: at home to Dayton in fifth third arena, So that's

925
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: on my moniker. Next we played John Calipari Duan Wagner,

926
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: that Memphis team. They come in and beat us. I

927
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: think they were top ten in the country, maybe top twenty.

928
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: So now we're three and two, and it's the first

929
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: time in the history of the building, which was built

930
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: nine that that that Cincinnati had lost stack to back

931
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: home games in the non league. So again, now that's

932
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: on my mental So now we're three and two and

933
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking around like, oh, Ship, this might have been

934
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: a bad decision. Well then we go to Vanderbilt, and

935
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: let me tell you the story. This is the greatest

936
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: story of ever we you you've been in Ohio and

937
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: you know how the weather changes quickly. So we're we're

938
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: we're scheduled to practice, get on the bus, go to

939
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: the airport, Fly to Vanderbilt. Play, Fly to Nashville, play

940
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: vander us the next day on National TV. We go

941
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: into the arena and it was kind of drizzling, a

942
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: little snow. We come out and we're in a full

943
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: scale snowstorm. Airport closed down, roads blocked. We're sitting there

944
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: thinking what the hell do we do? We ended up bussing.

945
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: That's not that far of a bus drive. Under normal circumstances,

946
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to Nashville is about four and a half five hours.

947
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: But but under those circumstances were interstates are froze and rex,

948
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: it took us like fourteen hours. So we literally get

949
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: to uh Nashville. You know, there's a Marriott that is

950
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of connected right there to Memorial collegey of our

951
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: Memorial Gymnasium. We get in about early afternoon. We take

952
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: a little nap, we don't shoot around anything. We go

953
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: to the gym and they had a twenty six game

954
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: home winning streak versus nine SEC opponents, and we pop them.

955
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: We then run off ten in a row to get

956
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: the thirteen in two two and oh. In the Big East,

957
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: we're playing on Big Monday, nationally ranked against Yukon uh

958
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: and my third leading schoo towards a c L. I

959
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: got a named more towards a c L. And from

960
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: there for there we just kind of fought and scrapped

961
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: our way to a respectable season. Um yeah, I mean

962
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: you go to the n I T and um uh

963
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: and you're losing the third Round of the Night. Leonardi

964
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: will tell you this, Joe, because I've had this conversation

965
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: with Joe on air last year. Joe Linardi had us

966
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: going in as an eight nine seed and we didn't

967
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: get in. Uh he he won't tell you to this day.

968
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: That was the biggest bess he's had in bracketology. And

969
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: this was pride. This was early in the process, and

970
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: because we had lost our me in Kirkland, we were

971
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: thirteen and two with him. Without him, you do the math,

972
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: we were, you know, right around five or a little under,

973
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: and they discounted everything that we had done with him.

974
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: And as a result, I want to say our r

975
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: p I at the time was probably in the thirties

976
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: or forties. So he was one of the again highest

977
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: rated UH teams to not get in. And it was

978
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: based off that injury, which a cripple discipe right and

979
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: and and and I remember I was doing TV at

980
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: the time. It's a really hard one. But but even

981
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: without our mean Kirkland, you did beat West Virginia John

982
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: Bee line coach team. You know, you beat Syracuse on

983
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: the road, you beat Louisville. I mean, you had some

984
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: unbelievable unbelievable wins there at the end of the season.

985
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: What did you in terms of coaching and managing people

986
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: and running a program like just in terms of X

987
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: and no game coaching, you mentioned you never you never

988
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: called a time out. Would you learn that first year

989
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: that that that has always stuck with you? Well? I

990
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: learned it just to kind of focus on the things

991
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: that you can control. And there was a lot of

992
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: noise around the program or a lot of different angles,

993
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: and you know, we figured out, Okay, this is the

994
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: best way that this team can play to have a

995
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: chance to win. It was different than a lot of

996
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: the things that we have done when Hopes was a coach,

997
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: just based on our personnel or lack there, and we

998
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: just kind of embraced the challenge. We didn't work. You know,

999
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: I had a contract through March. I didn't know, you know,

1000
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: of time. I'm I'm both of my children are young,

1001
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: and we're sitting around thinking, man, what's going to happen?

1002
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: But I didn't really get caught up on all that.

1003
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: I had faith that it would all work out. Uh,

1004
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: never sent a resume anywhere. Uh gotta got a call

1005
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: from old Miss. They flew in and and we had

1006
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: an opportunity to to to sit and to visit, and

1007
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, they offered me the job. But I didn't

1008
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: pursue any jobs. I didn't I didn't have a resume. Hell,

1009
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't have one today. I just went about my

1010
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: daily business of doing what we needed to do and

1011
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: again had faith that it would all work out as

1012
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: it should. You get the old Miss job, and obviously,

1013
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: being a guy from the South, it's uh, it's it's

1014
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: not necessarily an uncomfortable feeling. But old Miss is a

1015
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: different job and one that you know, you were able

1016
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: to survive it in the old building, into the new

1017
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: practic facility, into the new arena. Um what what was

1018
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: what was the first thing you did or you started

1019
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: to do when you got the old Miss job? Now,

1020
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: but in those days, I was a little bit of

1021
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: a crazy man because I you know, I'd worked for

1022
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: Hoas for four years and I thought that this was

1023
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: the way to do it. And really, my my stubbornness

1024
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: or lack of of understanding ended up helping me because

1025
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: I inherited a situation that they were coming out four

1026
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: consecutive losing years. Uh Rod Barnes, who had who had

1027
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: had unprecedented success there took coach the team to its

1028
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: only sweet sixteen years prior. Who will is this kind

1029
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: of fell off and they had four straight losing years. Uh.

1030
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: We walk in. I inherit three seniors, Uh that had

1031
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: never experienced a winning season. No one in that locker

1032
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: room that I met for the first time when I

1033
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: was getting the job had ever experienced a winning season.

1034
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: So we just challenged him. I had Todd Abernathy as

1035
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: my point guard. Todd is now an assistant for Dusty

1036
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: May at Florida Atlantic, and Todd's father, Uh. Tom Abernathy

1037
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: was on Night seventy six undefeated team starter played in

1038
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: the NBA. Uh. He was a terrific kid and a

1039
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: lot of people were like, Glad, I don't know if

1040
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: he can play the point, He's more of a combo.

1041
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: He ended up being all that sec point guard for

1042
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: me and leading the nation and assisted turnover. So we

1043
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: completely stout. We completely changed Tyler ploy. We challenged them,

1044
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: if they're tired of losing, let's stop losing. And we

1045
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: were able to flip it in year one, and that

1046
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: gave us the momentum by which to do the things

1047
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: that you said. You know, to to raise the money

1048
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: to get the building built, which was our practice facility,

1049
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: which then allowed us to get a better caliber player,

1050
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: which increased awareness, increased Uh, expose your people started becoming

1051
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: understanding today, Man, maybe it's time to get rid of

1052
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: this flying saucer that we call it coliseum and go

1053
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: build this this university illegiti arena. And that's what they

1054
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: did with the pavilion Old Vest. So all of those

1055
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: things really happened based off the efforts of that first

1056
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: team because they changed the narrative and we're able to

1057
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: do so quickly. Um. I felt like you had a

1058
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: great handle on the job, on reasonable expectations on the

1059
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: type of kid you have to get. And yet you

1060
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: know they're like, look at Old Miss, there's some limitations.

1061
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 1: On the other hand that you know you were able

1062
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: for the most part. I think only what too full

1063
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: season toil your last one that you didn't have a

1064
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: twenty win season, which is incredible, Uh in college basketball,

1065
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: especially at Old Miss? What what when did did is it? What?

1066
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: Do you think it was? The arena right, because I've

1067
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: always heard like basketball coaches always want to have a

1068
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: new arena. On the other hand, once you get a

1069
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: new arena, it raises the expectations, and new arena, new president,

1070
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: new a d Those are not good things for a

1071
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: basketball coach. What Why do you think you lost what

1072
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: felt like almost a lifetime appointment as a job. I

1073
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: just think it grew stale. You know, twelve years is

1074
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: too long for a guy I had. I did a

1075
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: respectable job there. You know, we set the new standard,

1076
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: but it's too long. We didn't have that breakthrough. We

1077
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: didn't have a Final four run, We didn't get to

1078
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: the elite A we we we were always we were

1079
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: consistently good, but never great. My best team was Marshall

1080
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: Henderson's first year in twelve thirteen, when we had the

1081
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: all time leading shot blocker in Reginald Buckner, the all

1082
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: time leading rebunder Murphy Holloway, and then and then the

1083
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: Marshall factor, and we went twenty seven and nine and

1084
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: one the SEC Tournament, beat bo Ryan in Wisconsin in

1085
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: the n c A Tournament, and then LaSalle had upset

1086
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: k State in the uh in the in and our

1087
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: other matchup and Lasal ended up beating us with a

1088
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: Philly floater. We go down and lose by two, which

1089
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: kept us from getting to the Sweet sixteen. That year,

1090
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: the number one in our region was Gonzaga and they

1091
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: were upset by which tells State. That's the year the

1092
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: which tells State went to the final four. We matched

1093
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: up much better with which tells State, because they were

1094
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: more conventional than we did Lasal So that could have

1095
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: been us my point being, but it wasn't. It didn't happen.

1096
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: So anyway, twelve years I was on, I went through

1097
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: three A D S. Three chancellors. I got along with

1098
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: five out of the sixth. The last chancellor just had

1099
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: an app type for change. Uh. We went twenty two

1100
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: games the year prior when tenan eight in the SEC

1101
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: swept our in state rival and my contract doesn't get extended.

1102
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: And I said, so I knew. I said, Okay, there's

1103
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: an appetype for change. And once there's an apetype for change,

1104
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: regardless of of your profession, typically change is going to occur.

1105
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: We had. Uh, we had a bad year. The timing

1106
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: was such that it was just time to move on.

1107
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: And I understood that. Um, you know, I embraced it,

1108
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: and uh, and I have nothing but fond memories of

1109
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: my time in Oxford. Okay, give me, give me your best.

1110
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: Marshall Henderson's story, Well, Marshall was something now, um you

1111
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: know he was. He was really uh not hard to

1112
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: coach and really not not not belligerent off the court.

1113
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: He simply and you know the reputation of Old Miss

1114
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: You know the kids, they're like to have a good time.

1115
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: It's pretty contained community, but you know the student body

1116
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: is is pretty active in the in the in the

1117
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: in the partying scene. So Marshall just wanted to be

1118
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: one of those people. He just liked the fact that

1119
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: he was gonna come to practice and give you an

1120
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: honest day's effort. And he was very emotionally tied into

1121
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: to what was important winning and losing. But at the

1122
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: end of the day, man, he wanted to go hang

1123
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: out with the frats and his boys and just be

1124
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: another dude. And I said, Marshall, you've you've given that up. Man.

1125
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: You can't you can't do that. And that was really

1126
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: the cause of his issues. It wasn't anything that he

1127
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: was maliciously trained to do. He just kind of wanted

1128
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: to be one of the guys. And in this day

1129
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: and age, when you know you you you uh you

1130
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: do SEC Tournament Most Valuable player, you can be one

1131
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: of the good guys. You know, you gotta you gotta

1132
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: understand that. And he he didn't. He didn't quite embrace

1133
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: that he was he was. But it's interesting like growing

1134
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: up playing basketball somehow, like we we all tell these

1135
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: stories about great ship talkers, and you know, and and

1136
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: back and forth between fans and coaches or whatever. And

1137
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: now when you do it and it's on TV, people

1138
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: think you're either crazy person and then they fans get

1139
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: riled up. And and what was that like to try

1140
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: and manage where you're trying to coach a game. The

1141
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: kid does play really well on the edge. On the

1142
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: other hand, you can't have it go over the edge,

1143
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: and then you know, it changes how games are officiated,

1144
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: how they're played. The second thing is kind of get

1145
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: get cranked up in in in this century. You know,

1146
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: I think that that he and I had a pretty

1147
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: good understanding of, you know, what I was going to

1148
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: tolerate and what I was not. And he also we

1149
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: had some some really good upper class when kid named

1150
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: Nick Williams who and who played with Boogie Cousins in

1151
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: high school from from Mobile and then he would and

1152
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: played for Tom Crane and I you I'd recruited him

1153
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: the first time that old miss didn't get even went

1154
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: with Crane du and then came back and he was

1155
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: a fifth year senior in my program. I've already mentioned

1156
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: Holloway and Buckner and Murphy. Holloway was a fifth year senior.

1157
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: They were kind of the leaders of the team, and

1158
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: so they kept Mark Marshall under wraps for the most part,

1159
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: looked after him like like big brothers do. Marshall lad

1160
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: and he he still may hold this. You could probably

1161
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: look it up as we're talking at the time. In

1162
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: two thousand third team, he broke the record for most

1163
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: three pointers attempted in the season. Now again we were

1164
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: twenty seven and nine, we go fifteen and six in

1165
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: the SEC. Overall, I mean we had a we had

1166
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: a good team, uh. And he shot more three pointers

1167
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: than anybody in the history of college basketball. He shot

1168
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: more than eight different teams did. Uh. And that was

1169
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: what our team needed. It was the formula by which

1170
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: we could be successful because that those guys who could

1171
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: go get those misses. Now when he came back to

1172
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: the senior those guys were gone, and he that thing

1173
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: and to bounced over the shot clock and we go

1174
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: back on be because those guys for guard, and as

1175
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: a as a result, we weren't walk quite as successful.

1176
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: But Marshall had the ability, Doug, I've never seen anything

1177
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: like it. He could go four for twelve, which is

1178
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: not a very good percentage, as you well know, and

1179
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: yet changed the complete outcome of the game based on

1180
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: his presence and his and it's the threat of him

1181
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: rattling off three or four in a row. We played

1182
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and at the time, I believe Bull Ryan had

1183
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: never lost in the first round of the n c

1184
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: A tournament. Ironically enough, we're playing in Kansas City, where

1185
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: the College Basketball Hall of Fame is. I'm taking my

1186
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: team through the College Basketball Hall of Fame that day

1187
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: before we play Wisconsin, and the first picture that we

1188
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: see upon entrances both is bow Ryan. So we're thinking, damn,

1189
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: this is the guy we gotta play. He's never lost

1190
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: in the first round. But our matchup was good. This

1191
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: was the year prior to to Wisconsin going and beat

1192
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: in Kentucky in the final four too, you know, to

1193
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: snap that thirty eight nold Kentucky team. So we play them.

1194
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: Marshall hits his first I think he misses his next twelve.

1195
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: He's one for thirteen. We're down about eight with about

1196
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: six to play, which you wouldn't know it could be

1197
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: down fifteen against the normal team because the way they

1198
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: played back in those days. He rattles off. I think

1199
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: five of his last six we went by eleven. That

1200
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: was just kind of how who he was, you know,

1201
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: despite going one for thirteen. The guys that we're doing

1202
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 1: the game were Marv Albert, Steve Kerr. I've known Steve

1203
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: Kerr a number of years because I had an a

1204
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: c L tear like he had an a c L

1205
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: tear back in the days when you're not supposed to

1206
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: be able to come back from that. So he was.

1207
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: He was good enough to to give me some guy

1208
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: and that's way back in the day. So off air,

1209
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, how in the world do you

1210
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: do you do you put up with that? I mean,

1211
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: how do you how do you how do you have

1212
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: the fortitude to stay from one to thirteen? So he

1213
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: gets five or six. I said, you know, that's just

1214
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: who he is, and I understand that at any moment

1215
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: he can change the game, and that's what he did

1216
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: for us. Yeah, he he holds the record still. Um,

1217
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: Chris Clemens took three nine. Uh. Keen Richard took three two.

1218
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: He took three ninety four in two thousand twelve, two thousand. Um.

1219
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: It really it really is really is amazing if if

1220
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: if you get back into coaching as a head coach,

1221
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: what would what would the job have to look like

1222
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: for you? I just you know, for me, it's not

1223
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: even really about I'm not a guy that that really

1224
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, chasing numbers or you know, it's got to

1225
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: be in a Power five, I've got to make this

1226
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: much amount of money. It's really not about that. To me.

1227
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: It's about institutional alignment. It's about everybody having an understanding

1228
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: of this is where we are, and this is where

1229
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: we want to be, and this is how we're gonna

1230
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: get there. I want to have a good working relationship

1231
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: with the people that I worked for and worked with,

1232
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: and I just wanted, you know, I want to have

1233
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: a fighting chance. You know, it's coaching them up. Ship's overrated.

1234
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: I'd like to be in a situation where you had

1235
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: a chance to get equal talent and uh, you had

1236
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: a chance to have some fun with it. I'm fifty one.

1237
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: If I was sixty one. I'd probably just riding in

1238
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: and finish it in the TV side. I'd like to

1239
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: coach again, but but I'm not. I'm not such that

1240
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just take any job. I want to make

1241
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: sure that it makes sense for all parties. UM recruiting

1242
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: in the South. What is the and what what is

1243
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: the biggest ask that has been made? I didn't say

1244
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: you fulfilled the ask, but like you walk into a

1245
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: room and a parent or or a guy an uncle,

1246
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's been an ask. Right, they all ask

1247
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: for the moon, the stars in the sun. What is

1248
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: the biggest ask that's ever been made? Of Andy Kennedy? Right?

1249
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know the Staciftics. I try to

1250
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: block a lot of those things out of my memory.

1251
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: But you know there there is certainly, Uh if you

1252
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: get involved with were the certain culture, you're going to

1253
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: understand that with that comes and that effectation of entitlement. Uh.

1254
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: And you know I worked for Bob Huggins. I don't

1255
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't dance that dance because again I

1256
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: have nothing against you. You do it. You know I'm

1257
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: a firm believer, and you do what your conscience allows

1258
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: you to do professionally, personally. I mean we all have

1259
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: those choices daily. I don't know how you coach a

1260
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: kid and coach him hard, which I believe you have

1261
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: to in order to have a chance to be successful

1262
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: if you've done something illegal to get him. So that

1263
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: was really it had nothing to do with all. I

1264
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: think it's right. I think it's wrong. You know, this

1265
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: is again, this is a free will society. I just

1266
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Speaker 1: I'm just not into that simply because I don't know

1267
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: how you coach a kid and hold him accountable if

1268
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: he if you've done something that that puts you in

1269
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: a in a in a predicament in order to get him. Okay,

1270
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: he still answer my question that nobody's gonna like coaching.

1271
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you so, I'll tell my dad the figures.

1272
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that, you know, we were involved with

1273
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: some kids that we were all with some kids. You know,

1274
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: I've been asked for six figures cash. So I started

1275
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: doing the math in my head. I'm thinking this is

1276
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: post tax money. So you're talking about a house. You're

1277
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: talking about baby. You know, the first two or three

1278
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: houses after home. It's it's really kind of okay, So

1279
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: when when the ask is me, is it the the kid? Actually,

1280
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: i'll tell you this, Doug and you know this, but

1281
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this for your listeners. That's why when

1282
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: you see these numbers like, oh, man, so and so

1283
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: gave so and so eleven thousand dollars, or so and

1284
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: so gave this top prospect that it was fifteen grand,

1285
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: it's laughable. I want to tell everybody, it's laughable. Add

1286
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: zeros to it. It ain't eleven thousand dollars. I mean,

1287
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: trust me, it's not even the fed stuff that the

1288
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: Fed got, you know, some of the monetary all they

1289
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: gave him four thousand dollars in order to sway a prospect.

1290
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 1: Come on, man, it's not four thousand dollars. Had some zeros? Okay,

1291
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: So how does it work? How does it work? Though?

1292
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: Is it the kid? Is it the dad? Is there

1293
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: somebody else who's kind of a go between, like when

1294
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: you're in order to get into the house head. It's

1295
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: never the kid, It's never the player. It's always you know,

1296
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: whoever is leading the charge, whether it be relative, whether

1297
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: it be an associate, whether it be a code. You know,

1298
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: it's always somebody else. It's never the kid. And I'm

1299
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: not saying I don't sit here. Also, I don't I

1300
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: don't live with my head in the sand. I don't

1301
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: think that that the kid is is completely oblivious to

1302
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: what is occurring. Some are, some aren't. Uh you know,

1303
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: the adults in the room are the ones that are

1304
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: trying to uh set the parameters. Okay, So if you were,

1305
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: if you were in charge, and you said here's the

1306
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,919
Speaker 1: way it should work, Um, how would you How would

1307
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: you do it? Would you? Because you know, like part

1308
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: of this deal with the name and likeness thing is

1309
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: it's really this it's just paying a kid, right, you

1310
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: get like you go down and be like, hey, man,

1311
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: will you throw in on this kid? If we get them? Sure? Right,

1312
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: it ends up being paid for place. So so how

1313
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: did how would you? How would you do it? If

1314
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: I said what's the most Because one of the things

1315
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: I do think it's it's really hard, Um, is like, look,

1316
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: some of these kids do come from dire poverty, a

1317
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: lot of some of them. Many of them do not.

1318
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: And and I think one of the great things that's

1319
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: changed since you and I were in school is like, look,

1320
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good life when you're a college athlete, right,

1321
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: you're getting cost of attendance. So it is so different.

1322
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: It's the best day and age and I know and

1323
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: I know you know they're there. We're going through this

1324
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: image and likeness and as share. But now is the

1325
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: best with the whole cost of attendance, with the ability.

1326
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: You know, back in the day, if if you had

1327
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: a flat tire, you know, there was no way in

1328
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: which you could get it fixed unless your mom and

1329
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: dad or whoever helped you fix it. If you wanted

1330
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: to fly home you lived in California, you play it

1331
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: in Stillwater. You want to go home for Christmas, you

1332
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: you can't get there unless you pay well. Now all

1333
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: of that you know, there there's different funds. And when

1334
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: I was at Old Miss at the end, it was

1335
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: it was pretty incredible all of the things that that

1336
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: we could help us through and athletes with and we

1337
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: could even you know, buy travel for parents to certain things.

1338
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's really really crazy from here in

1339
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: the day when I played, and even the days in

1340
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: which you play, I think the only way and I'm

1341
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: for the image and likeness. I'm for the Olympic model,

1342
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: but I don't think you can give the money to

1343
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: the kid while he's still there. In other words, Doug

1344
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: Gotlib goes to to Oak State. He's a good player,

1345
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: and somebody wants to give him image and likeness, and

1346
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: they want to give you a hunter. Grand. I don't

1347
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: think I can give it to you, Doug, when you're

1348
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: a freshman and say hey, here's a hunter. Grand. I

1349
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: think that's problematic on every level. I think it goes

1350
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: into a trust or are some kind of financial uh

1351
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: vehicle that you control, and the only stipulation for you

1352
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: to get that money is you have to leave in

1353
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: good academics standing. A lot of people said, an'll make

1354
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: him get his degree. I don't think that's realistic, Jay,

1355
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: that he's getting degree to go make a hundred million dollars.

1356
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: But if he wants to get image and likeness originally,

1357
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: all each have to do is just don't burn the school.

1358
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: We don't when the last game ends, don't just disappear.

1359
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: Finishing good academic standing where you can always come back

1360
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: and get your degree. If you do that, then the

1361
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: money that you have earned image and likeness become hearings immediately.

1362
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: But I I just look at it from a coaching standpoint.

1363
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: Number one, Uh, there's a lot of hurdles that have

1364
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: to be overcome as the racist title nine and how

1365
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: are you going to do this with different entities, so

1366
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: forth and so on and still stay within federal mandated law.

1367
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 1: Number two is I look at it from a coach

1368
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: and if Doug Gottlieb, I know, is getting fifty grand

1369
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: and he went out and bought a new car, and

1370
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm his point guard and I ain't getting nothing, And

1371
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: then guess what, Doug ain't gonna get the ball tonight.

1372
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: Or it's just gonna create so much animosity internally that

1373
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's it's it's really poisonous, and

1374
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: it's a bad look on on every front. But again,

1375
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: and then and then what happened? But what happens when

1376
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: like what happens if the kid decides to leave? Right

1377
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: like okay, you're supposed to be a spokesperson for the

1378
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: Piggy Wiggly or whatever, like now I'm gonna leave. Or

1379
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: you know what happens if the kid gets benched? Right?

1380
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: Is he still like to me if he leaves a

1381
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: good at and then extanding it's his money, that's Big

1382
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: Wiggily's call. You know that if Pickley Wiggily wants to

1383
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: pay Doug Gottli to come be on their poster because

1384
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: that's what they have to do in order to get

1385
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: Dug to come to school. And then Doug doesn't turn

1386
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: out to what they thought he was, or Dug ends

1387
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: up making a move and leaving as long as he

1388
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: leaves in good standing, Pickley Wiggily has signed a contract.

1389
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: I mean that that money is gone, and I okay,

1390
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: I think they just should sit there. I think it's

1391
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: should sit there and they should have the opportunity to

1392
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: to to let it work for him if they want

1393
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: to put it in the market, if they want to

1394
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: buy bonds, if they want to put in the money

1395
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: more whatever, let that thing grow. Okay, So what about

1396
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: what about the idea of this is like, look, if

1397
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: you're going to get here's the big thing kind of

1398
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: you're getting to which is you're essentially a professional athlete,

1399
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to pay taxes on that money, right

1400
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: the name and likeness money, and the big thing is

1401
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: college athletics. There's no you're not paying taxes on benefits.

1402
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: They're not paying taxes on the donations that that that

1403
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: they get that they're able to invest I'm talking about

1404
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: the schools themselves. Aren't you becoming a professional athlete? Doesn't

1405
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: that mean we have to taxes? Scott won't. Won't somebody

1406
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: want to tax the benefits of scholarships? Well, you know

1407
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: the answer to that. If money starts sings in hands,

1408
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: uncle's don't want his, there's going to be some taxation involved.

1409
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 1: I agree. I think it's like anything else. It's like

1410
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: it's almost like an IRA again that gets a hundred

1411
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: grand is freshman year, it sits in there as he leaves.

1412
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: At the end of the sophomore year, he pulls it

1413
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: out and takes taxes on them. My, my, my, My

1414
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: deal is this is I think that's the whole thing,

1415
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: the the being the spokesman of the Piggy weekly, that

1416
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: all these things are there for you after you get

1417
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: done playing whenever that is. And like you're talking about

1418
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: putting in an r IRA, that's essentially what you're investing

1419
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 1: in with your education, with your degree. And I'm not

1420
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and lie to people and tell you

1421
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: that you learn anything profound. Always when you go to school,

1422
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: that you're going to use the professional workplace, but that

1423
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: time that you invest those are the people, the people

1424
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: that you're around, those are the people that are gonna

1425
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: be the movers and the shakers and higher you or

1426
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 1: do business with you. Like there's a certain value to

1427
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: getting into school. You couldn't get into too being in school,

1428
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: to the relationships they're established. And everyone's talking about what

1429
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: do you get when you're done? Like, that's what you

1430
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: get when you're done, You get a whole life and

1431
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:19,839
Speaker 1: a whole professional perspective. Um, I actually don't think unique

1432
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: because I realize if you take there's only a certain

1433
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: amount of money that these people have to spend on athletics, right,

1434
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: if you're gonna take it out of the piggy wigly, well,

1435
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: then why would I invest in in the athletic department

1436
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: and being the official supermarket of of the if I

1437
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 1: can invest in the quarterback or the point guard. And

1438
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: then I think, so I think they're so Doug. I

1439
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: think if I'm if I'm if I'm the University of

1440
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: Mississippi Athletic Association, And you know, I need Doug Godlib

1441
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: to help me. You know, go get a good wide

1442
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: receiver and he gives image and likeness. He's still gonna

1443
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: have to pay the freight in order to get a

1444
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: parking pass, in order to get a box, in order

1445
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: to get courtside seeds in order. I mean, those bills

1446
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: still have to be paid. So I think it's gonna

1447
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: be I'm not a big believer. There's only a handful

1448
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: of schools that are going to go down the roster,

1449
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: and most everyone would have an image and likeness agreement.

1450
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: There's only a few that would do that. The rest.

1451
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: I think it's much ado about nothing. This is gonna affect,

1452
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, five percent of collegiate athletes and the other

1453
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: ninety percent. Nothing's gonna change, Yeah, which is why I

1454
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: don't understand why you do it. I just just because

1455
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: the I mean especially they're gonna change the rule. Um,

1456
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: so kids can go straight out of school and go

1457
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: to pros and a couple of years anyway. You already

1458
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: have the G League where they can go. Kids are

1459
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: going overseas like I don't I just I've never understood

1460
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: a deal that works out for about maybe a low number,

1461
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: but college basketball players, this thing works out great for.

1462
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you completely changed the system, but

1463
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: I guess obviously the government and and media people getting

1464
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: involved is kind of forcing some sort of change. It'll

1465
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: be fast. Let me I know you gotta run. I

1466
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: want to quickly. I got a couple of actual basketball

1467
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: questions for you. Um. One of one of your former

1468
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: assistances is Mike White. I think he's a great dude.

1469
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: He's been to a Final four. Um, there were some

1470
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: really lofty expectations of his team. They haven't played as

1471
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 1: well as people would think. They've been playing very early

1472
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 1: in the year. What are your thoughts on on the

1473
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: Gators so far? Well, it's actually getting going to the

1474
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,879
Speaker 1: final four. He went to when elead eight. If you remember,

1475
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: like that was your Frank Martin beat you remember in

1476
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: New York City. It was an epic game against two

1477
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: of my guys, and that was when Frank had the

1478
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: incredible run. I actually did the towns spend some time

1479
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: with Mike, and Mike has done a great job. I'll

1480
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: tell you what he's done. He's been better than the

1481
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: wins and losses and no speak for themselves. He said

1482
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: four straight advanced in the Anti Tenament to three of

1483
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: them four years. Well and say that that. I am

1484
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: really impressed. The ball is the fact that he just

1485
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: hasn't ran from being in the shadow of Billy Donovan.

1486
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean when you come after Billy and everybody kind

1487
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: of compared him to his young Billy Donovan. And for

1488
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: all the reasons that you can imagine, he hasn't shot

1489
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,879
Speaker 1: away from that at all. I went up in their practice.

1490
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: Really there's still more Billy Donovan pictures in there than him.

1491
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,839
Speaker 1: I mean, just shows you that Mike's very, very comfortable

1492
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,719
Speaker 1: in his own skin, and he's got a good team.

1493
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: What they're they're struggling. They're really struggling with shooting the ball,

1494
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: which is what uh they did last year, and they're

1495
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: they're struggling with with understanding, Okay, how to best utilize

1496
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,879
Speaker 1: Carrie Blackshot. I don't mean the staff, I mean the players,

1497
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: just you know, putting him in the position, because Carry

1498
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: blacksh is a good player. He's not an over the

1499
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: rim guy. He's he's got an old school game. And

1500
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: I don't mean that disparagingly. I've meant it as a compliment.

1501
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: He's got an old school game and he's really good

1502
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 1: in that midpost. He can stretch you out, he's you know,

1503
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: he kind of quits you around the rim. And and

1504
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 1: he's and and this's just new to a lot of

1505
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: the guys on that team, So I just think are

1506
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: going through a maturation process and uh, trying to figure

1507
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: out who they are. They still got pieces to have

1508
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: a great year. Yeah, Nebhard hasn't shot the ball as

1509
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: well as I think people would think in his second year.

1510
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: Um ye really struggled and you know, no a lock

1511
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 1: for the guy that was a knockdown shooter last year.

1512
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: Those freshman you know, he had Scotty Lewis who was tremendous,

1513
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 1: and trade Man who was highly raided and Martin. They're

1514
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: all gonna be really good players, but they're freshmen and

1515
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: they're figuring it out. Yeah, people a little bit from

1516
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: post depth from from when from lack of post depths.

1517
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: You know, they lost a couple of guys. Uh when

1518
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: they signed black Fear, a couple of guys gift on

1519
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: them and those were rotation guys up front. Uh, the

1520
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: kid georget Cock who's been injured. I think he's back now.

1521
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: They just don't have a lot of post depth, which

1522
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: changes the way they have to play up front. Sometimes

1523
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: with with black year, Okay, Kentucky gets beat at home

1524
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: by Evansville and you know what happens. The common fans like, Wow,

1525
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: Kentucky's a bunch of freshmen. I would actually really say that.

1526
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: You know, this year kind of a rare year in

1527
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: which he has a bunch of returners, even some you know,

1528
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: he's got probably his oldest front front court he's he's

1529
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: had since he's been there. Um, you're right, you know, yeah,

1530
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean if you look at it, obviously they have

1531
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: they do have some talent, especially with a couple of

1532
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: a couple of the freshman's specifically. Um, but you know,

1533
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: they've been they've been good, and they obviously they beat

1534
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: Michigan State where everybody kind of freaked out, and you know,

1535
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: Tyrese people start to figure out Tyrese Max he's got

1536
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: some potential. What are your thoughts on Kentucky now that

1537
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: we've seen him for about five games. Well, I'm sitting

1538
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: there looking at it. When you said that the three

1539
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 1: in the country, Now you know there's three and fifty

1540
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: three teams, so they're only ahead of eleven teams in

1541
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: the country and three points shooting. They're they're really really struggling. Uh,

1542
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: they gotta find an offensive identity. I think defensively they

1543
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: could be elite. But Evansville, I did that game, ironically enough,

1544
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: and Evensville spread them and drove them and played small

1545
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: ball and put Sustina on an island and and kind

1546
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: of took him out of his comfort zone. You know,

1547
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 1: Sustina is a really good piece. I think he's gonna

1548
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,560
Speaker 1: be a great addition to that team. But this is

1549
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,839
Speaker 1: a different level for him to You know, he probably

1550
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: played more five than four, but now he was never

1551
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: really asked to guard on the perimeter. Uh, he was

1552
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 1: exposed in the Evansville game. Give Walter McCarthy and his

1553
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: staff and his kids kudos for for finding that that

1554
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: matchup and attack and it so Kentucky struggled. You know

1555
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: that it's not a typical John Calipari go get it

1556
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: off the offensive glass and put it back in. It's

1557
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: his worst offensive rebounding team to date. Those are things

1558
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: that I think are correctable. I think he will correct

1559
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: those in time. But as you all know, man, you know,

1560
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: you you take some early losses. I don't think Devansville

1561
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: loss was gonna affect him one way or the other

1562
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: because it's Kentucky and they're gonna play, you know, twenty

1563
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: five other quality games to close the season. But they've

1564
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: got to figure out who they are offensively. Question, it's

1565
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: it's funny put on Sistina. So I did um. I

1566
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: did some Bucknell games a couple of years ago, and

1567
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 1: I think what people don't understand the different They don't like.

1568
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: Maybe they understand it, but they don't love the idea

1569
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: of different levels. Right, there's just a different and Bucknell

1570
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: is I guess we'll call it mid major, but literally

1571
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 1: it's like one of the best low major to mid

1572
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: mad yes, mid major minus and and in their league

1573
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: it's it's a rap. Like they have the best facility,

1574
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: they have the most investment, the resources, and the coaching

1575
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: is really good, and they have better players and everybody else.

1576
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: That's why they dominated that league. But now you come

1577
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 1: up into a higher level. Granted Evansville obviously is is

1578
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: probably more of a mid major minus as well, but

1579
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: the the higher level, like that power forward position, like

1580
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: you gotta hey, you're gonna have dudes. They're either you're

1581
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,799
Speaker 1: gonna have somebody who's six eight, six nine and legit athletic,

1582
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: or you have somebody playing small and now he's gonna

1583
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: have to guard a six six wing and you know

1584
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: where he's gonna have to move his feet. That's an

1585
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: incredibly difficult transition. And then the rest of them. So

1586
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: it's like he was at a low mid major minus

1587
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: for a reason, right, And then now you have some

1588
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: can some of these Kentucky kids like Nick Richards, like

1589
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: the good players. But the reason there's a reason they've

1590
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: hung around Kentucky for a couple of years, it's it's

1591
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: not I'm not trying to disparage them as human beings

1592
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: or players, but like if they if they were pros,

1593
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: they be in the pros. And so I think it's

1594
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: gonna be really interesting. And the shooting thing, like Jaz

1595
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: can shoot, but you know, I don't think he's ready

1596
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 1: for this level this earli his career Max. He's a score,

1597
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 1: not a shooter. And so yeah, like I don't know.

1598
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 1: I think the defensive stuff is fixable. I agree with

1599
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: you that they can be more connected and they will be.

1600
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: And I think How's a real hell of a coach

1601
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: because because he does, he coaches each individual kid as

1602
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: much as the team. I just don't know how much

1603
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: you can fix when you can't score. That's a really

1604
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: hard way to live. Well, quickly is gonna have to

1605
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: to quickly become a twelve or thirteen point guy in

1606
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 1: the game that can count on. Ashton As has got

1607
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: to finish in the paint. I think he's tremendous at

1608
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: getting to his spot. He's not a great finisher as

1609
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: the rim, which is problematic. And Stina's gotta be a

1610
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: knockdown shooter. That's what they thought. He was stretch for,

1611
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: knock it down. They got to get EJ. Montgomery back

1612
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: last year when I did a bunch of their games,

1613
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: I thought he was a guy that could be a

1614
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: double figure guy as a sophomore. He's been heard, he's been,

1615
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, in and out of the dog house. There's

1616
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: been some questions about as it relates to his approach,

1617
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: and you know how tough is he and now he's

1618
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: now he's banged up, and I think he's a guy

1619
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: that's wired to score that can really help him in

1620
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: that midpost. They don't have anybody, you know, last year

1621
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: they needed the basket. What they do. They're gonna go

1622
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: pinned down for Tyler Hero, They're gonna throw it to

1623
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: the block for Reeve Travis. They're gonna give it in

1624
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: the midpost to p J. Washington and and then they're

1625
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: gonna eat off the OFFITEI glass they don't have any

1626
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: of those options this year, so they not have to

1627
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: figure some things out and do it quickly. All right, Uh,

1628
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: I want to to be a one more team in

1629
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: the league. Um, Auburn they do have. They got an

1630
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 1: older bunch, right, they lost a bunch, but they still

1631
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 1: have older bunch five five seniors, which is super super rare.

1632
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: Um his style, Yeah, I meant at a high major.

1633
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: But Bruce a fascinating guy. I know him really well,

1634
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 1: I think. But like to lose, to lose Bryce Brown,

1635
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: who who's you know, your best three point shooter, to

1636
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: lose Jared Harper who took so many to lose Chumo

1637
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 1: Kieklely and then to be right back here. But part

1638
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: of it is they have this age now, they're a

1639
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: little bit ahead now because they have the seniors. Does

1640
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,759
Speaker 1: eventually everybody else catch up because they have more talent

1641
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: just more youth? Or is this Auburn team really going

1642
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: to be that good? I don't think they. They haven't

1643
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 1: been super channel as. I get Bruce credit because I

1644
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: used to do this, old miss, because you had to it,

1645
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: old miss, and and I give him credit. He goes

1646
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: on the road to South Alabama, which is a really

1647
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: hard game. He went to one point game. South Alabama's

1648
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,879
Speaker 1: good team, predicted by many to win the Sunbelt Conference,

1649
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 1: but think you know you got cold Gate cow State

1650
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: Northrix Davidson. I'll have the coach McKillop, who have got

1651
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: great respect for him. I'm doing new Orleando invitation when

1652
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 1: he's down there. I think he opens up against Marquette

1653
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: and on Thanksgiving Week and they played Georgia Southern, so

1654
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: they really haven't they haven't been film for challenge yet.

1655
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: I like his great I'm a big Semir Dowity fan.

1656
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: I think he's tremendous and he's gotten off to a

1657
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: great start. The freshman Isaaca Coro is tremendous. Uh Bruce

1658
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: was raving about him at media Day with his ability

1659
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: to guard, but now he's showing really, you know, some

1660
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: offensive flavor and versatility. I like their front line. Anthony

1661
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: Michael Moore is one of my favorite guys in college basketball.

1662
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: You're talking about a quality young man. He's already got

1663
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: his degree, you'll probably get his master's in a year.

1664
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: Shot blocker can stretch at Angel Purefoy's either in his

1665
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 1: fifth or sixth year on campus Austin Wiley, many people

1666
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: believed him to be a one and done. He's build

1667
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: Purefoy and Wiley people thought were one and done. Ish

1668
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,839
Speaker 1: Wiley obviously something. He's got injuries, so he can't practice

1669
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: play every day, a Purefoy like he thought he was

1670
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 1: coming there to be there for for thirty seconds and

1671
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: then go to the league. And to have those guys

1672
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: around this long is kind of part of what's what

1673
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: what what gives them a possibility of winning big And

1674
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: you think about what's transpired over the last two years

1675
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: and or two years ago. Bruce haf the teams and

1676
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: stay tournament. The last year they go to the final four.

1677
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: All these kids were around. You know, sar Dowd he

1678
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: set out a year, played last year. So he's been

1679
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 1: around both of these two really good years. Uh danjel Pierpour,

1680
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,719
Speaker 1: if you said it's been there forever, Uh So, he's

1681
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 1: been around, and those kids are are anxious to have

1682
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: their opportunity to go out and shine. And I think

1683
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: one thing that Bruce does better than anybody, and his

1684
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: kids played with a lot of swag and a lot

1685
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: of confidence, and they're off to a really good start.

1686
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: Um okay, last last last thing. Um we when I

1687
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: did your game against Florida, I think it was I

1688
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: hop we had we had we had breakfast. Give me,

1689
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: give me the one. Give me, give me the restaurant

1690
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 1: in the sec that when you're coaching and now you're broadcasting,

1691
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: could be breakfast, lunch, dinn or whatever. The one place

1692
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: that you most look for are to going when you're

1693
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 1: on the road. Oh well, I'm gonna give you a

1694
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,600
Speaker 1: bad answer, because you know it's a coach. The thing

1695
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: about broadcasting that it's done for me. It's opened my

1696
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 1: eyes too. I can explore the communities as a coach.

1697
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: You know how it is, man, You know, you fly in,

1698
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: you bust the hotel, you eat in the hotel, you busted,

1699
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: the gym, you bust the airport, you get out. But

1700
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: as a commentator, now I'm flying in, I'm getting rent

1701
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: a car, I'm driving, I'm figuring it out. I've been

1702
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: fortunate to spend some some time and Rough. I love

1703
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: going to Rough Arena. I love love of Man, the

1704
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: passion of the Kentucky faith for that place is special.

1705
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: I love that little downtown area right there by a

1706
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: rough A lot of good restaurants, a lot of good bars.

1707
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:43,600
Speaker 1: But I don't really you know, I don't. I'm not

1708
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: one of those guys that say, Hey, I'm gonna go

1709
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 1: and have breakfast at this specific spot. I'm more of

1710
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: a nightlife guy. You know that, all right, So give

1711
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: me a nightlife spot. Well, I don't. I don't know names.

1712
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm not getting into names. But I do think that

1713
01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: that I enjoyed my trips around the SEC now a

1714
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 1: non coaching capacity, because I can't check out a lot

1715
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: of the local aspalliment. Okay, but about this one, Um,

1716
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: I need a non Huggins family best coach, the guy

1717
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,560
Speaker 1: that you you may have no like, I don't know

1718
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: this guy for about him. We don't hang out. We

1719
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: didn't have went up. We were recruited on the circule.

1720
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: We didn't hang out together, you know even now, Like

1721
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: I just I think this guy is really really, really

1722
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: good and people don't pay enough attention to him as

1723
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: a coach. But has to be non family. You can't

1724
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: give me. You can't give me a hugging family guy. No,

1725
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: this is not a this is not a Huggings guy.

1726
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: He did he did recruit me back when I was

1727
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: coming out in the eighties. I was class of eighty six.

1728
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: It would have been summer of eighty five. He did

1729
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: recruit me. He was at Alabama for one year for

1730
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: whim prior to going back and starting his career. George

1731
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: Mason and it's Rick Barnes. I know Rick Barnes, and

1732
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 1: I think finally, I think when people when he was

1733
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: a Texas people took it for granted. I think what

1734
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,799
Speaker 1: he did over the last couple of years at Tennessee

1735
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: got the nation's uh attention. Uh. He's another one. Much

1736
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 1: like Alvern they lost a boatload when you talk about

1737
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: Grant Williams, Admiral Schofield, Jordan Bone and he a missed

1738
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: a beat. I mean they're they're they're they're legit again.

1739
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: He's got really great guards. He signed a McDonald's All American.

1740
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 1: He signed in high level dudes. I think Rick Barnes

1741
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: is the first ballot Hall of Famer. Uh. He is

1742
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 1: a really good coach that adjust to the style of

1743
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: his team. You know, the last couple of years, everything

1744
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: went through Grant and Admiral in that midpost. Now he's

1745
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: shooting a bunch of threes high ball screen. He's never

1746
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 1: been a high ball screen guy. He's doing it because

1747
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 1: of la Monte Turner and Jordan Bowden. So I'm a

1748
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: huge Rick Barnes fan, both personally and professionally. Personally, he's

1749
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: a gem, like he's a just this gives me the

1750
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: opportunity to say, like, when I we played against him,

1751
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: I didn't like him because I didn't know he was

1752
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: such a smartass, right and uh like he oh my god,

1753
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: like like you know, like we we we he They

1754
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 1: came in the league, and his first year of Texas

1755
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: they were like six and ten out of the league

1756
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: and they end up turning around and win the league

1757
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 1: with crazy Gablenecki and chrism him. They had some talent now,

1758
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 1: but you know he would sit over there and talk

1759
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: to you on the opposing bench like can't you here?

1760
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: We go are four on five? You know, like he

1761
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: just he didn't like didn't Yeah, so but one I agree,

1762
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: very very good coach too, Like unbelievable dude. I'll give

1763
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: you an example with Final four is in Dallas and

1764
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: I was working for CBS and my wife's from Oklahoma

1765
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: but never been to Austin. So I was like, I

1766
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 1: talked to him a couple weeks before about his team,

1767
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: and he goes like, hey, why don't you come down here?

1768
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 1: I said while we were talking about it's like, no, no,

1769
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: come down here. So you know, he gets done. And

1770
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 1: and this is towards the end of his run at Texas,

1771
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: so things weren't necessarily great. And from arranging hotels, meeting

1772
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: me for coffee, giving me every yoga and restaurant spot

1773
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: there is like he might as well be he's tremendous man. Yeah,

1774
01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: he's He's an unbelievable human being. And uh yeah, I'm

1775
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see his success. A K. I've

1776
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: taken up way too much of your time. Can't wait

1777
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: to see you until you're the only guy I told you.

1778
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: I'll give you thirty minutes, you take an hour and

1779
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: a half. People that know you love you. That's that's

1780
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: what they expect, right yep, all right, have a good day,

1781
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, see you. Let me quickly kind

1782
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: of react to the James Wiseman's suspension, which came down

1783
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: right at the time of recording some of this. He's

1784
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: gonna be suspended eleven additional games. It seems like a

1785
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,480
Speaker 1: lot um part of it was he played well ineligible,

1786
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: Supposedly they have to donate elevens, which is like, Okay,

1787
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: they have eleven five. That's interesting. Where are they gonna

1788
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: get that money from? Uh? Look, I'm I'm generally of

1789
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: this belief. Generally my belief I want guys to play

1790
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 1: college basketball more do I want you to be able

1791
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: to pay a kid to move him when they're in

1792
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 1: high school. There's a weird set of circumstances here. It

1793
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: speaks more to how dirty high school basketball is than

1794
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: college basketball is. And then there's the did Kentucky you know,

1795
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 1: rat him out? Much like did Maryland rat out Ohio

1796
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: State on their star defensive end? Like I had. I

1797
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 1: don't know what I can tell you is I just

1798
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: if you're the n c A, you you want to

1799
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: set a preston. You want to say this stuff is

1800
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: not acceptable, that you can't you can't do some of

1801
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: these things. On the other hand, you also want to

1802
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 1: create an atmosphere where your understanding of as long as

1803
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: you're honest with us, and that maybe that's the biggest

1804
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: question in Memphis. As long as you're honest with us,

1805
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be overly punitive and keep the kid

1806
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: out because we want to see him play. So I

1807
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: think the suspension is too long unless we find out

1808
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: Wiseman or his people lied about receiving the inducements way

1809
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: back two years ago when he was moving for high school.

1810
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,600
Speaker 1: By the way, next week, I will answer some of

1811
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: your questions right to be Thanksgiving, will be giving out opinions,

1812
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 1: winners of tournaments, all kinds of different stuff. Um, I'll

1813
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 1: leave you with this. In regards to the NBA, it's

1814
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 1: pretty amazing what Lebron is doing. Obviously, his career path

1815
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: take him to the West and three different franchises, and

1816
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: doing it for this long, for seventeen years, has allowed

1817
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: him more opportunities, and the way in which we play

1818
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: now more opportunities to get trouble doubles. But look, I

1819
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: don't want to get into the Jordans versus Lebron or

1820
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 1: Magic versus Lebron or and I don't I don't know

1821
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: what to make of the suddenly Kobe shows up to

1822
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 1: a game and you act like, oh my god, I

1823
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 1: can't believe Kobe came to one of my games, especially

1824
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: when Kobe actually said they went to the game because

1825
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 1: his daughter Gianna is a huge fan of Trey Young

1826
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 1: who's playing on the other team. But regardless of that,

1827
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: what I marvel at with Lebron and the Lakers this year,

1828
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: but Lebron specifically, he's playing really good basketball. Um, he

1829
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 1: seems fully committed to making Anthony Davis the superstar. And

1830
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 1: we're talking, you know what, are we four or five?

1831
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 1: Six month? It's removed from Magic Johnson right before their

1832
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: last game, resigning, so there were no exit meetings, like

1833
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: it was a dumpster fire. And now there the best

1834
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: team in the NBA. So Lebron and Lebron is he's

1835
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,839
Speaker 1: their best player. He's leading, he's defending, he's getting people involved.

1836
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, he has to play bullyball,

1837
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: so he has to use his strength more than his

1838
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 1: uh than his agility. But and I don't know what

1839
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 1: that looks like once we get to the NBA playoffs

1840
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: and deep in the NBA finals. For right now, they've

1841
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: figured out Alex Caruso's value. Rondo's playing just enough but

1842
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 1: not too much. They haven't really even gotten full Kuzma going,

1843
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: as he got poked in the eye in their last

1844
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: game against Oklahoma City, and he's he's been a little

1845
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: bit slow to come around. But I I think they're

1846
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: the best team in the NBA, and I think Lebron

1847
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: James has had a magnificent start. And when you consider

1848
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: where they worked, where they are in the and the

1849
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 1: lack of of time together to make this work impressive impressive.

1850
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't think the Mellow thing works. And look, I've

1851
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 1: only seen him one game. But one of the things

1852
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: that Mellow is suffering from. I think that this happens

1853
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: in college bass. But when guys replace famous coaches is

1854
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 1: you can't get calls. Like Mellow drove in there three times,

1855
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: and I'm sure first first ten years of his career

1856
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 1: he gets a call, he doesn't, and so he doesn't

1857
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 1: know how to adjust. Like that's a hard emotional adjustment,

1858
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 1: just to go from a guy that got the calls

1859
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 1: the guy that doesn't get the calls. He can't defend,

1860
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: he has to have a volume of shots, doesn't get

1861
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: calls anymore. I don't I don't know. I don't think.

1862
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:48,679
Speaker 1: I don't think it works. I think there's a reason

1863
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 1: that most teams passed. Anyway, Thanks for listening. Be sure

1864
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: to send us a question or comment at Gottlive shows,

1865
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: the Twitter handle, or on our Facebook page as well.

1866
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: We'll answer those questions next week. Make sure to tell

1867
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: a friend to download, subscribe, and to rate this podcast.

1868
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: My thanks to Andy Kennedy, to our entire production team.

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01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottliebin. This is All Ball