1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, Time, Time, Luck and load. 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: Michael Varry Show is. 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 3: On the air. I talked about this a couple of 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 3: weeks ago, and I don't know how. I guess I 5 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: didn't go deep enough into it, but I knew it 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: was only a matter of time, and so did you. 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: We all knew. 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 3: When the Democrats and the mainstream media started to promote 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 3: drag queens. You knew what was coming next. Drag queens 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: everywhere because it sort of induces others. It becomes, in 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: an odd way, a bandwagon effect. Now you may say 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: to yourself, I don't understand that, because it doesn't make 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: me want to be a drag queen. But it was 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: never intended to appeal to you. It was intended to 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: appeal to a certain amount of a certain type of person. 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: So when tattoos became more commonplace, it was a rebel 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: thing to do. It's a crazy thing to do, it 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: was it was a it was a rebellion and it 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: showed that you were different. And so people would get 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: tattoos as a way of making a statement, piss off 21 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: mom and dad. 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: And when you saw them, you knew that's. 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: A person that doesn't care what you think, and it's 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: it's as much a uniform as any other uniform. But 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 3: that's what it was until everybody started getting tattoos. It 26 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: got to the point where people in their seventies are 27 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 3: getting tattoos. Little ladies are getting tatoos because their granddaughter 28 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: comes home from college says, Grandma, let's go get a tattoo. 29 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 3: You and me, we'll get it on our ankle. It'll 30 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: be a butterfly. All right, maybe I'll do Your grandmother 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: do anything for the grandkids, you know that. And so 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: now you walk into a tattoo parlor and there's grandma 33 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: over there, sweet as she can be. He's been voting 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: Republicans since Eisenhower, and she's getting a tattoo. So they 35 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: had to go right, they ruined it for us. It's 36 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: like hipsters. It's very much like hipsters. It's like hipsters who. 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: You know. 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: They they want the hot new thing, the craft beer, 39 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: or this brand of clothing, or vacationing in this particular place. 40 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: And then when the normies do it, when the rest 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: of us do it, it ruins it. Or if you have teenagers, 42 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: your teenagers will use words that are teen vocabulary jargon, 43 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: and so what you do is you learn about it 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: and you throw it in real casually as if you 45 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: think you're super cool, and they hear it, and it, 46 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: I mean, destroys that term for them. And in my 47 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: house like dad, no, no, But what will happen is 48 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 3: Michael or Crockett one or the other, whichever one reacts 49 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 3: the most harshly to it, which is usually Michael t 50 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 3: my old crocodile. 51 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 4: Go. 52 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: I gotta tell you that props. You did use it, right, 53 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: I mean you did, you did actually use it right, 54 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I gotta give you credit. You did so. 55 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: Anyway, So when the when normalizing the drag queens became 56 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: the deal, it started making more popular drag queens reading 57 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: to kids in school. They didn't they didn't just want 58 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: to be left alone and not beaten up. See that 59 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 3: was the originals. It always starts there, leave them alone, 60 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 3: they're victims of crime. Okay, leave them alone, don't pick 61 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: on them. Okay, they're coming to read to your kid 62 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: in school. 63 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa. That escalated quickly. 64 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: Drag Queen's Story Hour in the public library turned into 65 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: drag Queen's Story Hour in the school. And you were 66 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: a bigot if you balked at it. Okay, I'm a 67 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: bigot if that's what that means, because that's no place 68 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: for that. Then they put pornography in the school library. 69 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: Then they said that we wanted to ban books, and 70 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: so the FBI started investigating parents that went to school 71 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: board meetings to protest, bullying them, intimidating them gestapo tactics 72 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: exactly what it is, no different. We call them groomers 73 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: because that's what they are. They're grooming young children so 74 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: that they can be objects of their sexual enjoyment. 75 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: It's sick and it's real. That's what pedophiles do, and. 76 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: That's why it's so important for all these people to 77 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: do what they do in the school. They don't want 78 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: to be left alone. Used to they'd say, just leave 79 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: us alone and leave our life. We're just like you. 80 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: We just want to be left alone. They don't want 81 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: to be left alone anymore. 82 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 3: Now they want to come and smeirit in your face, 83 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: and they want to dare you to have a problem 84 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 3: with it so that they can destroy you. That's their goal. 85 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: You have to fight back in the same way they're fighting. Well, 86 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: we now have liberal white women, which is the source 87 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 3: of most problems in this country in academia trying to 88 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: tell us that pedophilia is a sexual orientation. 89 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: Listen to this. 90 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 5: Most of us show the comfort when we think about pedophiles. 91 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: But just like pedophiles, we. 92 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 5: Are not responsible for our feelings. 93 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: We do not choose. 94 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 5: Them, but we are responsible for our actions, and we 95 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 5: must make a decision. It is in our responsibility to 96 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 5: reflect and to overcome our negative feelings about pedophiles and 97 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 5: to treat them with the same respect we treat other 98 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 5: people with. We should accept that pedophiles are people who 99 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 5: have not chosen their sexuality and who, unlike most of us, 100 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 5: will never be able to live it out freely. 101 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: If they want to lead an. 102 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 5: Upright life, we should accept that pedophilia is a sexual preference. 103 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 4: Statistics indicate that there will be one or two of 104 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 4: you who are struggling with some form of pedophilic interest. 105 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 4: These people can't talk about their feelings because they know 106 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 4: that they will be hated for it. I truly do 107 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 4: believe that every person is longing for love at some 108 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 4: point in their life. 109 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: And what if this. 110 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 4: Love that you really wish for will forever be impossible. 111 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: That must be a really lonely situation to be in. Yes, 112 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: from an emotional point of view, I can kind of 113 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 4: understand that you would want to eliminate these people from society. However, 114 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 4: it doesn't make sense, and that's because we're talking about biology. 115 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: We're talking about a sexual orientation, something that we simply 116 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 4: cannot change. 117 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: And on top of. 118 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 4: That, every day new people are born with the same difficulty. 119 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 4: So it's not practical to eliminate these people from society. 120 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: They haven't done anything wrong. 121 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: This should not be a surprise. How many high profile 122 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: people flew to epstein Oule. Nobody made them. They didn't 123 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 3: arrive and find out later. I had no idea what 124 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: was going to happen. These people wanted to do this. 125 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: They're being protected. There is a powerful cabal protecting them, 126 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: and I think by the way blackmailing them. Joe Biden 127 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: had been smelling the hair of young girls for a 128 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: long time. His daughter wrote in her diary, which has 129 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: now been verified she. 130 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: Did write it. 131 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 3: It is her diary that he would shower with her 132 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: when she was a teenager and it was creepy and 133 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: she wished he would stop. Do you know any other 134 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: grown men who get button naked? In the shower with 135 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: their teenage daughter. Honestly, and a guy that already has it, 136 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: has a whole history. 137 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: But he's not the only creature. 138 00:07:44,000 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 6: Jo Georgia's sweat comes to the phar Sess g Graus asperplexed. 139 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 7: Drug with his. 140 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 6: He's got orders from the middle schools from where to Mexico. 141 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: It's Tracy Bird. 142 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, if you drink, don't drive, do the watermelon 143 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: crawl and listen to the TSAR talk my buddy Michael Berry. 144 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: So as you know, we don't just talk politics on 145 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 3: the Michael Berry Show. 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So I thought 172 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 3: what we'd do because I'm fascinated, as you, you know, 173 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: by the energy industry, and we talk about it a lot. 174 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: A lot of you send me emails from the oil patch, 175 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: whether you're on an offshore platform or you're in downtown 176 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: Houston in the c suite of your own company. Talking 177 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 3: about the energy industry and insights, and I thought, well, 178 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,599 Speaker 3: who better than Rigzone, which is a a at the 179 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: at the uh, what's the term? I'm looking for, the 180 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: pivot point, the bullpen, you know, the pictures mound of 181 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: what's going on in in energy. So Chad Norville their CEO, CFO, 182 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: c HO, He's everything Ramon, he has every title, he 183 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 3: makes a lot of money. He agreed to be our guest, 184 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: and I'm honored that he did. 185 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 7: Chad. 186 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: I thought you you didn't have to mention the money. 187 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: I mean, do I have to do I have to 188 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: call you mister Norville? 189 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: Or can I call you Chad? 190 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 7: Chatt? Please? 191 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: Do you have a secretary because people don't have secretaries anymore. 192 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 7: No, I don't have a secretary. 193 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: You have an assistance? 194 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 7: I well, no I don't. Actually I don't have an assistant. 195 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: You don't have anything? 196 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 3: Nope, Man, I have an assistant and I'm nobody. 197 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 7: Wow, you're a little more than that. I think. 198 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: Does anybody at the company refer to you as mister Norville? 199 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: Be honest, No, they don't do. Y'all have a mail runner? 200 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 4: No? 201 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: Do you have anything that you used to have When 202 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: I started off in business in the early nineties. 203 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 7: No, it's technical, it's all. 204 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: It's all email and and shot. We we have a 205 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: massive email system. Actually that has taken the place we 206 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: send There were thirty million emails a month. 207 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: Well, I know what. 208 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 3: That's not as interesting as knowing like if I go 209 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: to your kitchen on your what floor of what floor 210 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: are you on in your in your office building? 211 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 7: We're on the top floor and soft floor. 212 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: Oh you heard that? Oh he's kind of does suddenly 213 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: drop that? In what building? 214 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 5: Is it? 215 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 7: Uh? Run two ninety? 216 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: Okay? 217 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 3: If I go into the kitchen, there is there a 218 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: vending machine or a coke machine? And is the stuff 219 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: free to employees or do I have to pay for it? 220 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: It's true we have cokes and sodas and what I'm seeing. 221 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: Jet, Can I tell you a quick story before we 222 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: get into this chat. Norville is the CEO of rig 223 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 3: zone dot com. By the way, So when I was 224 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: a college student, I had a classmate who was a 225 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: little older than me and named Carl Barris. And Carl 226 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: was a genius. He was graduating from the University of 227 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: Houston Engineering school. And let's just say I wasn't an 228 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 3: engineering very very technically Smart Individual high IQ full scholarship 229 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: hold deal and he was interning and then he had 230 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: just accepted a job at Compact Computers. 231 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: Rod Canyon was the CEO at the time. 232 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: And he gave my wife and I a tour of 233 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: their campus and he had a fob keeps. The first 234 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: time I ever saw it was the old white crown 235 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: castle looked like a credit card and he swiped. He 236 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: wore it around his neck, around the lanyard and he 237 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: swiped it. Now, I don't know how old you are, 238 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 3: but in nineteen eighty nine or ninety this was a 239 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: big deal. And we went in in the highlight of 240 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 3: our tour. We were poor college kids. Was he took 241 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: us to the kitchen, the employee kitchen, and he goes, 242 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 3: you want to and I don't have any money. 243 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: It's free. 244 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: And I pulled out a cup and I put it 245 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: under the coke machine and there was like you could 246 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: make a suicide. 247 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: We call him a suicide. 248 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 3: When I was a kid, you could put coke and 249 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: doctor pepper and it was free in Chad. 250 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: To this day, I still think about that. So I'm 251 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 2: happy to hear y'all give away free cokes. 252 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, It's amazing that things along your path that really 253 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: still stand out. I worked at IBM for a while 254 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: and I went up to Armant, which is their headquarters 255 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: outside of New York City, and was just blown away 256 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: by the legacy, the breadth of the campus. You know, 257 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: I've been out to California and seeing the Oracle and 258 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: all of these massive campuses and just seeing IBM annoying 259 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: the legacy. 260 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: Then listen, I'm not paying you because you mentioned Oracle 261 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: in there. 262 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: If you thought that was a little drop you were 263 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: going to do and send me an invoice, I'm not 264 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: doing it. 265 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 7: Noah, I heard you mention orcle on that swe So 266 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 7: if I had. 267 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 3: Told you when I so politely, I guess emily asked 268 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: you to do it. But if when I asked you 269 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: to have a discussion, not an interview, a discussion with me, 270 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: and I told you that the first five minutes I 271 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: was going to talk about stupid stuff, would you reconsidered 272 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: to be honest? I would not have no down there. So, uh, 273 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: how did you end up at rig Zone? Let's start there, 274 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: and then I want to get into the energy industry. 275 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: Well, I actually was that ID I'd worked for AH 276 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: and t for a while. 277 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 7: You know what. 278 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: Initially, my my family is oil and gas to the core. 279 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: My grandfather worked at Shell for thirty years and retired 280 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: in Dear Park. My other grandfather was a local union 281 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: president pie fitter in the pipe fitters union. 282 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 7: So I grew up with it. So out of school, 283 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 7: I thought, I started getting into computers and programming a 284 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 7: little bit. And you know, the oil and gas was 285 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 7: in the in the in the. 286 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: Blood, so I thought I'd maybe do a little programming 287 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: in learn some oll and gas skills. 288 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 7: So I started going to school. 289 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: I played soccer at first in college, and then I 290 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: transferred back. 291 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 7: To u h C. 292 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: Very dude, that's a big deal. Any collegiate do was it? 293 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: D one? 294 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: Uh? 295 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 7: It was No, it was in Ai. This was in 296 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 7: the mid nineties. 297 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: Who college soccer. 298 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 7: It was in Iowa. It was a school in Sussity 299 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 7: called West Warna University. 300 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: Well that's still cool school. 301 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 7: Yeah. 302 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: The soccer team was amazing that way. Had six all 303 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: Americans and our coach was the coach of the sus 304 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: City Breeze, which was the professional league before MLS. 305 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, fantastic. Were you all American? 306 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 7: No? 307 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: No, everybody was all but. 308 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: You, well, I was a fullback marking back. 309 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: Okay, my son plays I played high school soccer and 310 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: he is a center midfielder. I didn't go up playing soccer, 311 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 3: So I have to repeat that to myself so I 312 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: remember it because I've had to learn a whole new 313 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: vernacular that I did not already know, and it doesn't 314 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 3: come naturally. You know, you kind of you absorb things 315 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: about football, whether you played it or not, or baseball 316 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: or basketball because it's just part of our lingo. But 317 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: soccer is for an American kid, especially in Southeast TeX's 318 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 3: not something that you would have known already whole. 319 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: With me for just a moment. Chad Norville is the 320 00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: grand puba of. 321 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 3: Riggs dot com, and we're going to talk about the 322 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 3: energy industry and what's going on. And I got to 323 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: tell you, whether you're in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, from 324 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: a lot of Florida, Texas and beyond, this is going 325 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: to be a big part of our economy and it's 326 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: roaring back. 327 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: I hope that's what he's going to say of the 328 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: world as. 329 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 7: We know it. 330 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 3: Michael Berry Ends of the World, nine mill five. 331 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: Chad Norville is our guest. 332 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: He is the CEO of rigzone dot com and as 333 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: as we look at what's going to happen in the economy, 334 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: and that means jobs, that means uh spending, that means optimism. 335 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: It's liberation Day as of January twentieth, As our president said, 336 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: the energy industry is going to be a big part 337 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: not just for where I live, but of the country's resurgence. 338 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: And I wanted to go to the source, and that's 339 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: Chadnorvil at rigzone dot com to tell us what is 340 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: happening in the industry, what are you seeing and what 341 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: do you foresee in the coming years, And. 342 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: I'll hang up and listen. 343 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, of course, so unleashed American energy. Right. 344 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: It's been a fascinating week, to say the least. We 345 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: have an editorial team and I talked to editor on 346 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: Friday and he's icing his hands because he's typing so much. 347 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 7: In the last week. 348 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: There's been so many traumatic changes. These executive orders have 349 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: unleased a lot of potential. There's really some fascinating things 350 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: that are going to help our industry, and I think 351 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: a couple of them, you know, removing the ban on 352 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: exports of LG is critical and we'll have a very 353 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: quick impact. That was pretty shocking last year whenever Diviiden administration. 354 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 3: Singly over night chat. I've talked about that, but let 355 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: me interrupt you. Some people know exactly what you're talking about. 356 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: And of course Mike Johnson told the story the other 357 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: day about that. But why don't you explain that to 358 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 3: people that don't know and how big a deal that is? 359 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, certain areas of our country, the 360 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: Marcella Shell, for instance, it's massive. 361 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 7: For natural gas. That's the you know, largest portion of 362 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 7: what they do there. 363 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: A lot of the fully integrated you know, the drillers. 364 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: Everyone produces gas in addition to oil. Every all gets 365 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: the focus old prices. Natural gas is a key component 366 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: to our industry, very important. It's very important to national security. 367 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: Our allies rely on it, especially with what's going on 368 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. You know, Europe got a lot of their 369 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: natural gas from Russia. Uh So, whenever Biden's administration did 370 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: this last year, it you know, it imperiled our allies. 371 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: That imperiled our national security and ability to help our 372 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: allies and you know, support our national interests. So in 373 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: addition to the the heart that it inflicted on all 374 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: the companies, you know, from all up and down the chain, 375 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: from the full multinational fully integrated down to you know, 376 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: the smaller independence. 377 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 7: So it was a pretty massive shockwave. 378 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: Across the industry whenever he did that last year. I 379 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: think it had a pretty detrimental effect. We saw it 380 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: last year. I think that was one of the things 381 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: that really had a pretty negative impact on the industry 382 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: last year. And we saw it with our job fairs 383 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: that we do and all of the key locations you know, 384 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: start dwindling, and you know, the needs for employees, you know, 385 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: starts waning. I think that had a pretty significant impact 386 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: on it. And not to mention it's not just our 387 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: allies and national security you know deficits, you know, with 388 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: with other countries that those deficits are reduced whenever we 389 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: have significant natural gas you know, flowing out exporting it 390 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: from the United States, So that doesn't get talked about much, 391 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: but there's an impact there as well. 392 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 7: So yeah, it was dramatic, shocking when he did it. 393 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: I don't think it got played up near as much 394 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: as it should have, but you know, I know Rick 395 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: Perry said that that was one of the things that 396 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: he was most excited about. 397 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 7: I couldn't agree more. 398 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's kind of interesting because your industry energy 399 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 3: from you know, oil rigs is where we get the 400 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: Rigzone dot Com, which is kind of at the center 401 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: of the energy industry, and you're sort of a stock 402 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 3: exchange of information for people interested in that sector of 403 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 3: the economy, which it's so big, and yet there is 404 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 3: so little talk about it. I mean, I guess you know, 405 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 3: you'll hear a reference to what the price of gas 406 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: is at the pump, but there's so much more to 407 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: it than that, and it's surprising that we don't hear 408 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 3: more about that. 409 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: So let's pivot to where we are. Now, what are 410 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 2: you seeing? 411 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 3: What are you hearing is already happening, if anything, as 412 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: a result of the Trump administration and just as importantly 413 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 3: not being the Biden administration. 414 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, So we. 415 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: Have two different angles in which we gather information. Right, 416 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: we have our editorial team, which you know focuses almost 417 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: exclusively on oil and gas in our industry. We talked to, 418 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: you know, all of the largest players in the analyst side, 419 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: so you know, Commodities Research at City Grew, Parentage Foundation, 420 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: American Enterprise Institute Rice Commodities research heads at you know, 421 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: all the large institutions. You know, we're on the regular 422 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: basis talking to these folks, getting their analysis, hearing you 423 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: know what research their teams are putting together and telling 424 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: clients and large industrial investors. So you know, we get 425 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: that side, and we get you know, a pretty broad 426 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: macro oriented view. 427 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: Then you know, we work. 428 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: With all the largest national old companies. You know, over 429 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: the last ten years, we worked in nearly all of them, 430 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of them drilling contractors, serving all the 431 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: big service companies, all the way down those like I said, 432 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: the small companies. We do advertising and recruitment services for those, 433 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: you know, all all up and down the chains. So 434 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: we get their insights too, and we're working with them 435 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: on job fulfillment, right, We're trying to place candidates for them, professionals, 436 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, get them out in the ole field. 437 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 7: Or in the past. 438 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: So we're getting both sides, and so first and foremost, 439 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: both of them are saying, you know, being a lotterally 440 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: good or universally that this unleashed American energy and all 441 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: of the I think it was six pretty broad executive 442 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: orders of the forty six but Trump issued or an 443 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: overwhelming too for our industry. It's fantastic, you know. And 444 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: it's not just everyone focuses on public lands and drilling, 445 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: and that's important and useful, but it's more of reducing 446 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: the strain on regulatory impacts. 447 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 7: For us trying to get permitting. 448 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: That's important. 449 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 3: And what kind of regulatory handcuffs do we see that 450 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 3: you would if I made you king for a day 451 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: and you had no political pressures and no greeny whenies 452 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: protesting outside of your house, what would be some of 453 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 3: the low hanging fruit that you'd say, Man, if Trump 454 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 3: will just do this, we'll see what We'll see hiring resume, 455 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 3: We'll see drilling resume, we'll see refining resume. 456 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: I think just the time to get a permit in 457 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: and of itself it increased significantly under the Biden administration. 458 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: That's almost a year now just to get a standard 459 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: permit that in and of itself, and that is something 460 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: that they're focused on streamlining the permitting process in and 461 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: of itself, that singular will be very beneficial. 462 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: You know what's so fun about that? Chad Norville as 463 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: our guest. He's the CEO of rigzone dot com. Is 464 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 3: you see this in real estate. You see communities like 465 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: Denver where they seemingly California, where they don't want you 466 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: to build, and the way they do it is they 467 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 3: simply slow roll, drag their feet on on permits and 468 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: so you start, you got borrowing costs, or even if 469 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 3: you're paying cash, you got money tied up. When you 470 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: lock down a property and you can't begin to start 471 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 3: breaking ground for a year or two, that's money lost 472 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 3: on that that has to be recouped on the back end. 473 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: Well, I didn't even think about it. But in your business, 474 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: that's the same thing. 475 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 3: If you can't if you can't begin to drill or 476 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: whatever that aspect of the energy industry you are, that's 477 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 3: a cost that's being passed on to the rest of us. 478 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: It's jobs that are not being fulfilled. Who's hiring right 479 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 3: now or is it the independence is the big boys? 480 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 2: Is it everybody? 481 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: Yes, so everyone's hiring, but you know it's not picking up. 482 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 7: Significantly right now. 483 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: We're seeing a lot of the big places and I'm sorry, 484 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: my clock management is worse than less miles. We'll continue 485 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 3: our conversation with Chad Norvil on who's hiring right now? 486 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 3: Of rigzone dot com all your energy do. They remain 487 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 3: scared to death of you, and they remain scared. 488 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 2: To death of Trump. To Michael Barry, shows you're not 489 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: going anywhere even if Trump does. 490 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 5: You're not. 491 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 3: Chad Norvile is our guest. He is the CEO of 492 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 3: rigzone dot com. And if you don't know, I'm sure 493 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 3: you do. It is a marketplace of information about the 494 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 3: energy industry. It is also, to my knowledge, he'll correct 495 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, the largest job placement entity for 496 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 3: people in the energy industry. When people are hiring or 497 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 3: looking for a job in the energy industry, they go 498 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 3: to rigzone dot com. Are y'all the biggest in the 499 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 3: in the space. 500 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: Yes, we're the largest. We're the largest for jobs and 501 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: news for the ol and gas industry. 502 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 3: Well, okay, so tell me about you were about to say, 503 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: who's hiring, and particularly who's hiring. That's a marginal difference 504 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: from what we saw six months ago. Who's beginning to 505 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 3: hire a new or increasing their hiring. 506 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 7: Yeah. 507 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: So I think in general, what we're hearing from the 508 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: medium to the larger sized firms is that they're expecting 509 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: a relatively flat twenty twenty five relative to twenty twenty four. 510 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: Like I said, there's a lot of optimism in the marketplace, 511 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: but there are headwinds, you know. 512 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 7: Like I told you earlier. 513 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: The Trump administration is looking to reduce some of the 514 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: red tape for permitting and whatnot, but there are other 515 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: things that have happened that are going to provide legal 516 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: challenges to that. Last year of the Supreme Court put 517 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: an end to the Chevron defense. That's pretty challenging because 518 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 1: it's going to allow some used to if if there 519 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: was some uncor uncertainty and a law or principle, then 520 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: the courts would refer to some administrative agency. Now that's 521 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 1: not the case to themore, that would have been very 522 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: beneficial under Trump's Unleased American Energy UH. 523 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 7: Policy a JATA. 524 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 1: That's not the case necessarily anymore. 525 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 7: So there may be legal challenges there. 526 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: So I feel like the discussions we're having is kind 527 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: of a wait and see approach. But you know, caustiously 528 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: optimistic h that's what we're hearing from the larger producers, 529 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: the medium and smallers. We're hearing more optimism, uh, you know, 530 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: more near term optimism by hiring uh fast tracking projects, 531 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, get permits. 532 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 7: Doing different things abut nature. So as far as who's. 533 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: Hiring, that's what we're seeing in you know, and it's 534 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, we operate worldwide, it's different geographically. 535 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 7: I'm talking about just the United States. 536 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: So we're seeing we do job fares and all the 537 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: key oil and gas markets, you know, Texas, obviously, Houston, Midland, 538 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: we do some in La Fia for Louisi, of we 539 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: do some in North Dakota and in Pennsylvania from Marcellas. 540 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: So what we're seeing is a lot of tech roles, 541 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: filled operations types of roles. Those are the things that 542 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: I've been seeing and I'm still seeing with the duffas 543 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: that we're putting together now and who we're talking to. 544 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: You go on rig zone and find a patrol. 545 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 7: Engineer, mechanical, let's go engineer. You know, see physical roles. 546 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 7: Those are always there, but we see large changes as 547 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 7: the cycles change. 548 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: Right, we saw things during the pandemic, for instance, it 549 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: went to a lot of white collar office roles. 550 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 7: Now we're seeing a lot of tech. 551 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: Roles, so field service technicians I and E technicians, that's 552 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: instrumentation and electrical mechanics. Those are the types of roles 553 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: right now, we're seeing a lot a lot of instrumentation, 554 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: a lot of electrical, a lot of valve technicians. Those 555 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: types of field roles are the things that we're listening 556 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: the most right now, and I'm not seeing any changing 557 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: that yet, although, like I said, we talked to some 558 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: fairly large players that are not signing up for our 559 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: job fas right now but looking to do, you know, 560 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: signing up for three or four months down the road. 561 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: So it feels like there is the wait and see 562 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: kind of how how are the tariffs going to play out? 563 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's so many positives. Like I said, there's 564 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: so many uh you know, really three things coming out 565 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: of the Family's American energy policy. But at the same time, 566 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: there are headwinds potentially out there that you know, when 567 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: it comes to the massive capital expenditures that some of 568 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: these companies are responsible for, you know, through risks are 569 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: potentially reduced, but there's other risks and new variables coming 570 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: into play. Twenty five percent tariffs on Canada and Mexico. 571 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: That would be interesting, right And those people that pull up, 572 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, have access to the first strings and pull 573 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: those strings at these large companies, you know, billion dollar 574 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: projects and more. They have to be cautious and see 575 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: what those impacts are. What is old price going to 576 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: be At the end of the day, it's still supply 577 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: demand and geopolitics. The jazz our industry price is king 578 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: and this it's not like it was ten years ago. 579 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: You know, ten years ago in the real heyday, we 580 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: had three times the amount of rigs and the vent 581 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: says they do now or more. It was all about supply. 582 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: You know, demand was stable and growing and are we 583 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: going to be able to make meat supply? Now it 584 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: has turned on its head and it's about demand. China's 585 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: fallen away. You know, they're uh touch about real estate. 586 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 7: There's lost state. 587 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: Debacle has really buffled their economy and so their demand 588 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: is off. But there are a lot of emerging markets. 589 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: Demand is not going anywhere. The oil and gas industry 590 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: is not going anywhere. You know, we're fortunate we have 591 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: some renewables and such. Just so oil isn't one hundred 592 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: and twenty dollars a barrel. 593 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: Frankly, Yeah, it's uh, it's fascinating. Do you watch LAMB Man? 594 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 7: I haven't I have the whole season recorded. I haven't 595 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 7: had the It's been a. 596 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: Busy start of the year, but we're going out to 597 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: Midland for a job for the next week, and some 598 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: of our colleagues out there that we work with have 599 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: insisted that I watched it before. 600 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 7: Come, so it may be on the agenda this week. 601 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: Okay. 602 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,959 Speaker 3: I have to warn you because a lot of people 603 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 3: in your industry hate it because it's not one h 604 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 3: undred percent exact, and I go, look, I watch movies 605 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: about courtroom lawyers, and I don't go, that's not really 606 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: what it's like because it would ruin it. Right, cops 607 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: will tell you that's not really what it's like. So 608 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 3: it may that you may have too much information, but 609 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: I will tell you. After sling Blade his finest role, 610 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 3: and after Friday Night Lights his second finest role. This 611 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 3: is my third favorite role by Billy Bob Thornton, and 612 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 3: he is so darn good in this role. 613 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: It's just it's amazing. He's he just nails it. 614 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 3: I have so many relatives that he reminds me of, 615 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 3: Like you wouldn't believe check let me ask you a question. 616 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: I didn't want to interrupt you, which is hard for 617 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 3: me because I'm an interrupted. Chet Norvil is the CEO 618 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 3: of rig zone dot com. You mentioned that the job 619 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 3: that a lot of the jobs that are available now 620 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: are in instrumentation. And I know a little about the industry, 621 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 3: and I know that my wife was at Olpaso Energy, 622 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 3: and you know, twenty five years ago they were using 623 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 3: technology to open and close valves, which was why Y 624 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: two Q was so important to what they were doing. 625 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 3: But when you look at the role of AI, which 626 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 3: scares people today, how fast do you think AI is 627 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: going to, if at all, is going to replace the 628 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 3: jobs of people who are reading, calibrating, doing workovers, tear down, 629 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 3: they're doing things that relate to the instrumentation and the 630 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: importance of that instrumentation. How much in how fast do 631 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 3: you think that's going to affect that. 632 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: I think it will affect it, but I think it's 633 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: just going to change the mechanisms in which you work 634 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: and operate. And I've seen that in what I do. 635 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: You know, we've released some AI tools onto our website 636 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: as well here in the last two weeks. Actually we've 637 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: been working on them for a year. They all benefit 638 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: the recruiters in the industry. You know, salary information, Go 639 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: ask for some salary information on Rigson's new AI Riggs 640 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: on GPT chatbot and see what you. 641 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 7: Get from Its fascinating. 642 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 5: Uh. 643 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: You know, we have looked at a bunch of different 644 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: cover letters over the years, you know, did qualitative maintenance 645 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: on them and found the ones that we thought were 646 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: most accurate and the recruiters would appreciate the outline how 647 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: our work history would apply most directly to a job. 648 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: And we trained the model an AI model, and now 649 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: we're leveraging that model for our candidates and the recruiters 650 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: because it's going to highlight for them more effectively and efficiently. 651 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: You know what that candidate is bringing to the table. 652 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: That's live for free now for candidates, and what our 653 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: recruiters get whenever they sign up on rig Zone. 654 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 7: So I'm fully embracing it. I'm more productive now. 655 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: Glen Garry, Glenn Ross ABC. Always be closing. 656 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 3: Dude, you throwing the website in there, you're throwing in 657 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 3: what y'all do? 658 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: I mean? It's impressive? Hold with me. 659 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 3: Chad Norville is the CEO of Rigson dot com and 660 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: obviously did I mention he's chief sales officer too. Ramon 661 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: you you you could appreciate that he doesn't go it's 662 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 3: Tramone and do stupid ding. 663 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 2: He just kind of eases it in there. Hold on