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Speaker 2: Guess what, Mango?

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Speaker 1: What's that? Will?

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Speaker 2: Actually, before I share something with you, I've got to

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Speaker 2: ask you. Are you a Spider Man fan?

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Speaker 1: I think less and less with each movie, but I

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Speaker 1: was a Spider Man fan at one point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well you obviously know. I have one kiddo that,

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Speaker 2: for probably a year or so, was wearing a Spider

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Speaker 2: Man costume into every local restaurant to where people working

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Speaker 2: at those restaurants would just know our kid as Spider Man.

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Speaker 2: And so it's pretty funny. We've been watching Spider Man

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Speaker 2: films for a long time now. But UH got a

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Speaker 2: fact for you, so you may be interested to know

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Speaker 2: that the Library of Congress has the original Spider Man drawings,

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Speaker 2: like from the very first time he appeared in print.

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Speaker 1: That has to be the one where, like Peter Parker

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Speaker 1: is getting bitten by a radioactive spider I'm guessing right.

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Speaker 2: The one and only. So in two thou and eight,

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Speaker 2: an anonymous Downer gave the library twenty four black and

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Speaker 2: white drawings. This was from the August nineteen sixty two

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Speaker 2: issue of Amazing Fantasy Now it's funny to look back

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Speaker 2: on because apparently Marvel wasn't sure people would like this

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Speaker 2: new character. The first page of the comic reads like

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Speaker 2: costume heroes. Confidentially, we in the comic mag business refer

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Speaker 2: to them as long underwear characters, and as you know,

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Speaker 2: they're a dime a dozen. But we think you may

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Speaker 2: find our Spider Man just a bit different. It's funny

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Speaker 2: how they were just like setting this up as though.

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Speaker 1: It might selling him out.

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Speaker 2: It's just so weird. But you know, what's particularly cool

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Speaker 2: about these drawings is that you can see some of

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Speaker 2: the back and forth artist Steve Ditko had with Marvel

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Speaker 2: publisher Stan Lee. For example, on one page where Peter

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Speaker 2: Parker has jumped out of the way of a car,

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Speaker 2: Stan wrote a note in the margins, quote, Steve, make

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Speaker 2: this a covered sedan, no arms hanging. Don't imply wild

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Speaker 2: reckless driving. It's pretty great.

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Speaker 1: That's such a strange thing to be concerned about. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've got this guy like slinging webs all over the place,

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Speaker 2: That's pretty well.

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Speaker 1: It is amazing that there's a copy in the Library

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Speaker 2: I know, and the library actually has over one hundred

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Speaker 2: and sixty five thousand original comic books, but that's just

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Speaker 2: a tiny part of its collection. It's considered the largest

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Speaker 2: library on the planet, with over one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: eight point two million items. Is of course include books, newspapers, music, maps, posters, photographs,

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Speaker 2: and more, which means these nine facts will barely scratch

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Speaker 2: the surface. But you got to start somewhere, so let's

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Speaker 2: dive in. Hey, their podcast listeners, welcome to Part Time Genius.

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Speaker 2: I'm Will Pearson, and as always I'm here with my

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Speaker 2: good friend mangesh Hot Ticketer on the other side of

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Speaker 2: that booth. Hidden behind stacks and stacks. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: can't books. There are so many stacks of books. That's

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Speaker 2: our friend and producer, Dylan Fagan. He's also taped a

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Speaker 2: sign to the window. It says, down with Dewey, adopt

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Speaker 2: the Dylan decimal system. Always getting bald today.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea he'd been working on a system

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's I think he's trying to make

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Speaker 2: have confidence in Delai.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I obviously support Dylan and whatever he does. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: In fact, anyone sixteen or older can go there to

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Speaker 1: Either, these responsibilities didn't exist in eighteen hundred when the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've been in there before, and it truly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And it's just one of the Library's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it makes sense. So actually I read a

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Speaker 2: So when the building opened to the public in November first,

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Speaker 1: Was, Dale Carnegie is How to win friends and influence people.

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Speaker 2: Very very very close. Actually not close at all. No,

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Speaker 2: the very first request in the new building was for

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Speaker 1: That is very embarrassing that the first first book requested

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Speaker 2: It was pretty much believe it or not. I actually

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Speaker 2: It was the best part that was Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: That is pretty incredible and I had no idea. Another

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Speaker 2: Ooh, whenever somebody says tunnels and I think libraries, I

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Speaker 1: Mega. So, as you mentioned, in eighteen ninety seven, the

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Speaker 2: It was just six feet.

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Speaker 2: So do these tunnels still exist or rather, do they

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Speaker 1: So Sadly, when they were building the new Capital Visitors

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, there's a bunch of stuff that people

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to part time Genius. Today, we're revealing nine

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Speaker 2: But before I get to my next fact, I wanted

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Speaker 2: I started out by asking whether they were a famed

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to go back and say I actually

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Speaker 2: I mean pasta is so good? And then you have

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Speaker 2: something in common with Thomas Jefferson. Here another noted pasta fan.

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Speaker 2: But back in the seventeen hundreds, pasta wasn't known that

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Speaker 2: much in America. Jefferson discovered it while he was serving

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Speaker 1: I love that you said. Jefferson and I are both

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Speaker 2: Well, it actually came from the Library's flute collection, which

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Speaker 2: I want somebody to compliment my little finger like that

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure your little finger indicates that you're from

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, it's insane that he had

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Speaker 2: We've made it. We reached nine facts, and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to give you this episode's trophy because you had secret tunnels,

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Speaker 2: when you get old cake, so what else did you do?

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Speaker 2: You do compliments to the pinky fingers, so you really

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm very honored, and I'll be sure to donate

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Speaker 2: That is perfect. Well, that's it for today's episode. If

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