1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Ron. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only, 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast to 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors and associates. 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: We would like to encourage you to do your own 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week are Beyond. 12 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 4: We'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 4: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 4: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Rond. Today we're going 16 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: to be speaking with writer, producer, director, actor, musician Mark 17 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: Christopher Lee. He's an incredibly prolific musician, recording well over 18 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 3: seventy six albums and over five thousand songs, netting millions 19 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: of streams. He's here today because he's also a ufologist 20 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: and a filmmaker whose latest film looks at the Rendelscham 21 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: Forest case in England. Today, we're going to delve into 22 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: his thoughts on the Rendelshm case and UFOs in general. 23 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 3: He mark, nice to see you again, Bud. 24 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, you too, Captain Ron, thank you for inviting me back. 25 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely, you did this incredible journey through Rendelschems. So we 26 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: just passed the forty fifth anniversary of one of the 27 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: best UFO cases, which I think Rendelscham is, and you've 28 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: got a chance to visit it personally, actually go to 29 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: the site which is between these two military bases. You're 30 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: able to walk around there for your doc. What was 31 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: it like to actually be there? 32 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 5: It was a magical moment, to be honest. It's a 33 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 5: very kind of mystical place for me. And you know, 34 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 5: like you said, it's in the UFO folklore now, one 35 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 5: of the best documented cases with the most evidence in 36 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 5: my opinion, And I've never been there before, and I've 37 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 5: spoken to so many people that have been there, and 38 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 5: actually why I made this film is that I've spoken 39 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 5: to people have been back there since nineteen eight and 40 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 5: had strange and explained experiences, so which is why we 41 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 5: decided to go and visit it and do an investigation 42 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 5: and do a PSIONICC five experiment for the film, so 43 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 5: that the whole day was amazing, one of the best 44 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 5: work days of my life. 45 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: So these people are having these experiences nowadays. You're saying, well, 46 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 3: you know, thirty forty fifty years after the first the film. 47 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what the film focuses on because people have 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 5: told the nineteen eighty story before, and we did go 49 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 5: into that a little bit, and our as executive producer 50 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 5: is retired police officer John Hanson, and he co authored 51 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 5: two books with Colonel Charles Holt, so we had that 52 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 5: as background to the nineteen eighty sighting, which was great. 53 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 5: But yeah, we've spoken to people that have been back 54 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 5: and claim to have manifested UFOs or had strange noises, 55 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 5: various even encrypted encounters, so we interviewed them for the film. 56 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 5: But then we did our own investigation and we had 57 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 5: some amazing results. Have to say, you know, you. 58 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: Talk about it in the doc how the year nineteen 59 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: eighty happened to have a lot of UFOs sightings. Is 60 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: that what you found out as well? 61 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely, I wasn't aware of that until John Hanson, 62 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 5: the executive producer. He's got this brilliant UFO archive in 63 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 5: Stratford upon Avon, thousands and thousands of documented UFOs items 64 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 5: in the UK and box he's investigated rentalship. But he 65 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 5: said to me, look, it's not just that weekend around Christmas. 66 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 5: The whole year leading up to that was a bit 67 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 5: of a wave in Norfolk and Suffolk in the UK, 68 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 5: and there you know, signs of UFOs USO is coming 69 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 5: off the North Sea because we have to realize that 70 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 5: Rendersville is quite close to the sea. So there was 71 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 5: definitely something going on that year and I've got a 72 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 5: few conclusions on what that might be, but it was 73 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 5: a bit of a wave. Yeah, definitely. 74 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: It's interesting you're saying there's sightings now because I think 75 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 3: you also mentioned that there are off and on bitings 76 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: and strange things going back to the forties in that area. 77 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, going back. Yeah, I think nineteen forty something 78 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 5: was the earliest sighting that we had nearby. But then 79 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 5: going back into ancient English history, the whole area has 80 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 5: had unexplained phenomena. You had the will of the wisps, 81 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 5: the lantern men on the f this crypto critic called 82 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 5: the Black Shook the Black Dog, which is supposed to 83 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 5: be the devil taking the form of a dog, and 84 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 5: the local church in Bungay not far away, it's got 85 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 5: the claw marks of this dog and this devil. So yeah, 86 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 5: there's a lot of unexplained phenomena in that area. And 87 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 5: I'm also nearby, just a few miles away is the 88 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 5: Anglo Saxon burial called Sutton Who, which is a well 89 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 5: famous site. So there's lots of weirdness about the place. 90 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 5: And you know, in the modern times UFOs, I guess 91 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 5: I scene that's very cool. 92 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: When you were there, you also found some metal. Saw 93 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: you pick up some metal? Did you ever get that 94 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: tested or find out what that could have been? 95 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, it's basically it's really really old, probably eighteenth 96 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 5: century iron basically, probably from probably agricultural in origin. From 97 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 5: the people that were there. It was nothing to do 98 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 5: with the UFO. 99 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: I was wondering if you thought it was the UFO 100 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: or it was going to be a beer can from 101 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: the eighties. 102 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 5: I don't know, very heavy UFO. Probably the reason why 103 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 5: we kept that in the film though, is that in 104 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 5: the real world, UFA investigators go out there. There's a 105 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 5: lot of things, a lot of dead ends, there's a 106 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 5: lot of work done with no results, and we wanted 107 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 5: to keep it real. We didn't want to edit out 108 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 5: and just put the good bits in and make up 109 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 5: stuff right. So sure, a lot of people, but we 110 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 5: wanted to keep it. It's two guys and our approaches 111 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 5: like we're two guys best mates talking UFOs down the pub, 112 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 5: but we're taking it out into you know, intorendouslym on 113 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 5: the field. That's our approach to it. And some people 114 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 5: like it, and some people it's. 115 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: A lot of waiting to wait too for people like you, 116 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 3: don't they think you go out for a CE five 117 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 3: and two minutes later they show up every time and 118 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: it's just not like that. 119 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 5: It's not like that at all. And I mean to 120 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 5: be honest, we did get very lucky, I thought, with 121 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 5: what we captured. The strange electronic sounds, Yeah. 122 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: We heard those sounds. Don't you think there could have 123 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 3: been some type of cricket dead series. 124 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 5: I know, I don't think so. I mean, for context, 125 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 5: I've got a degree in environmental studies, quite a favor 126 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 5: of the ecology of the area, and it wasn't something natural. 127 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 5: Obviously what you heard was coming across from from the 128 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 5: mic on the camera, but while you were there, it 129 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 5: was reverberating more. It's very quite of electronic, is how 130 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 5: I describe it. But you know, it may be maybe 131 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 5: explained laid down the line, but we can't at the moment. 132 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 5: And it kind of coincided us with us seeing orbs 133 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 5: in the woods. 134 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: And you couldn't tell which direction it was coming from either. 135 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 5: No, no, it was passed around, it did. It was 136 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 5: very disoriented and probably what doesn't come across it was 137 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 5: it kind of psychologically affected us, especially esther, our assistant director. 138 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 5: She was she was the woman that involved with me 139 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 5: and Guy later on, she was actually our assistant director 140 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 5: because Guy and I started did See five wasn't going 141 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 5: very well because he was drinking too much guinness and 142 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 5: kind of a bit of falling out. So we needed 143 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 5: someone else to just to raise the vibration and because 144 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 5: there's no one there in the mids the nowhere, and 145 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 5: it was like, okay, so that's that you So we 146 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 5: you know, slightly contrived a situation where she came along 147 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 5: and helped us. But her reaction was one hundred percent 148 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 5: genuine and where she picked up the dowsing rods. They 149 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 5: were spinning around. She never used thousand words before. She 150 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 5: didn't know what was supposed to happen with them. She 151 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 5: was genuinely freaked. 152 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: Out and go woo, how fun cool. 153 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 5: So that was really cool. And also we had the 154 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 5: emf met it was just spiking out of nowhere all 155 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 5: the time. It's like so it was the combination of 156 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 5: all this different phenomenon. It was like, something's going on. 157 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 3: I did enjoy that. You cut from talking to an 158 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: expert and C five and she says, well, whatever you do, 159 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: don't drink alcohol. Boom, cut to your buddy pounded Againnis 160 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: and then you're doing it. 161 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 6: I'm like, wow, yeah he was told and yeah it 162 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 6: was both Cherylne and Ray Dove both told us not 163 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 6: to drink. 164 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 5: Alcohol or do recorrection, not drugs or anything that's going 165 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 5: to affect you psychologically. And you know, she did make 166 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 5: the point that if you were drinking, maybe it would 167 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 5: affect the type of manifestation or experience, which I think 168 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 5: he was a bit freaked out and a bit scared. 169 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 5: So there you go. 170 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: So funny. Is there anything else out there interesting that happened? 171 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: What I mean, besides these noises, did you did you 172 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: have any other phenomenon happened to you while you're there? 173 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean the strangest thing for me, to be honest, 174 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 5: was when I got back home. It was a really 175 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 5: long day filming. Absolutely Kna could have had a long 176 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 5: drive to get there as well. And it was the 177 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 5: early hours of the morning, and I was just laying 178 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 5: down on my bed and all I could see was 179 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 5: ones and zeros in front of me. No way, yeah, yeah, 180 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 5: you know, And we didn't talk about that in the 181 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 5: film very much. It wasn't a big part of it. 182 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: I always fund you know, why do that That's the 183 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: most interesting thing that's happened. Why why would we put 184 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: that in the film? I think that's amazing. 185 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 5: You know. And I was trying to kind of debunk 186 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 5: it myself, thinking, well, I'm tired, my brain. Brain could 187 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 5: be playing tricks. I know about the Jim Peniston story, 188 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 5: but that really wasn't prevalent on my mind at the time. 189 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 5: But I've never had it before in my life. 190 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: I was going to ask you that, so you've never 191 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 3: had that happen, and then that is curious to me? 192 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: Write anything down? 193 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 5: Did you No, No, I've got to wait another fifteen 194 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 5: years and then write a book. 195 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: Well that's right, Yeah, there you go. You know, there's 196 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: plenty of people that try to dismiss or explain away 197 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 3: this case. And one of the big things was that 198 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: the lights were from this distant lighthouse. As you said, 199 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: this is close to the coast. Yeah, they say that 200 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 3: that was the beam and everything. Could you see where 201 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 3: the lighthouse is and could you imagine that that? 202 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean I think the thing is with the lighthouse, 203 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 5: you probably could be able to see it in certain conditions. 204 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 5: It wouldn't be very bright. The US servicemen would have 205 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 5: been aware of it as well. And if you listen 206 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 5: to Charles Holt's Dictafie recording, he talks about this blinking 207 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 5: nye with the molten metal coming down off it. 208 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: That's not a lighthouse absolutely. I always thought that was 209 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 3: absolutely a silly swamp gas type of Yeah, explanation, I'm 210 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: looking for a practical explanation, but that just doesn't fit 211 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: at all. I guess I can break there. Mark. When 212 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 3: we come back, we're going to ask you about more 213 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 3: of the research you've done on Rundelsham. You're listening to 214 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: be on Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 215 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 3: Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact and 216 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 3: we're speaking with Mark Christopher Lee about the rundolsrom Forest 217 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: UFO case. You know, looking around it when you were there, Mark, 218 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: did it feel like you could imagine what they say 219 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: happened could have happened right there? Did it ring true 220 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 3: for you? 221 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 5: It did? Yeah, But then I guess you've got to 222 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 5: take into account it could be just your psychology and 223 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 5: brain playing tricks. But yeah, you could soak up the 224 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 5: atmosphere and you know, you see the east skate as well. 225 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 5: And then we had to coordinates given to us by 226 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 5: John Hanson via Colonel Halt of where everything took place, 227 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 5: which is why we head to where we headed. So yeah, 228 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 5: we were putting ourselves in their shoes. I guess a 229 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 5: little bit interesting. 230 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: What originally made you choose the runus from Forest incident 231 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: as opposed to something else that you felt like this 232 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: needed an investigation? 233 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, I mean it was I guess it was 234 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 5: talking to John Hanson going through his archive and he's 235 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 5: got like every year's got a liver arch file of 236 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 5: UFA cases in the UK. And there's lots of them. 237 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 5: But then you get to nineteen eighty and render him 238 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 5: there's like a whole warfall. It was like, oh, and 239 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 5: I'm just going through those files. In there so much 240 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 5: evidence that people are just not aware of that. Definitely 241 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 5: something happened that weekend. What it was is still up 242 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 5: for grabs, but definitely something happened. And we have to 243 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 5: realize that a US military personnel that were affected physically, 244 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 5: you know, medically psychologically by what happened that weekend, and 245 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 5: you know they've been given medical payouts by the US military. 246 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 5: Eventually something happened to them. You can't deny that. 247 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, we just don't know what it is, but clearly 248 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: something happened to these guys. They all did have some 249 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: physiological effects from that. Now your doc focus is mostly 250 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: of you guys being on the site and walking around 251 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: and exploring the site. Did you get a chance to 252 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: interview any of the witnesses or research their accounts? 253 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 5: Not really, because that wasn't the focus of the film. 254 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 5: It did start off because we had John Hanson as 255 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 5: executive producer and we were going to get Charles Holt over, 256 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 5: but it just didn't work out. He wasn't very well 257 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 5: at the time, so it didn't It didn't work out, 258 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 5: but that would have given the film a different angle. 259 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 5: So we decided to imress ourselves in the accounts that 260 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 5: people like Philip Kinsella who'd been there and did a meditation. 261 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 5: It wasn't called C fiveer psionics in the nineteen nineties. 262 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 5: That didn't exist. It was just called chilling out meditation, 263 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 5: but the same same process, really using your mind to 264 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 5: manifest something really it claims to. You know, Philip Canseeller 265 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 5: claims to have manifested the pyramid shaped ufo, which I thought, wow, 266 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 5: that's amazing. But also John Hanson he showed me the 267 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 5: photographs of orbs and he told me this account of 268 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 5: stones dropping out the forest sky they called reports, just 269 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 5: studying on the forest floor, and it's like, whoa, that's crazy. 270 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 5: And he showed me the stones, and he showed me 271 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 5: the reports that were sent off to a lab to 272 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 5: be analyzed, and like they'd just been formed, had no 273 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 5: trace elements or any any or anything, and that it 274 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 5: was just like and they were warm to touch as well. 275 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 5: So I thought that was very very strange, and I 276 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 5: explained and he also had another experience where him and 277 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 5: some fellow Rendushian researchers went down there, did a meditation, 278 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 5: hung out and they captured a UFO on camera and 279 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 5: that's actually a little clip in the film as well. 280 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's very cool now. So but you, I know, 281 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 3: you didn't get a chance to talk directly with those guys, 282 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: but you're familiar with the case of those Obviously, the 283 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: three mean guys, Charles Balls obviously have a connection there, 284 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: Jim Peniston, John Burrows. All of these guys took contemporaneous 285 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 3: notes of one form or another during the setting. Do 286 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: you find these guys to be credible? 287 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 5: Absolutely, one hundred percent. I don't doubt their credibility at all. 288 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 5: I mean, it's difficult because I don't want to question 289 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 5: what they saw on their accounts. What happened to them, 290 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 5: for them was real, but what it was maybe it 291 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 5: was some strange prototype new weapon or craft that had 292 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 5: some electromagnetic properties which may be disorientated and affected people's perceptions. 293 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 5: I don't know, but that's. 294 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: There's discrepancies between those three. 295 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 5: You could explain, Yeah, I could explain them, because you know, 296 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 5: they were perceiving what was real to them, But they 297 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 5: could be affected by some being external affecting their thought 298 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 5: process and how they interact with this phenomena. 299 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: And you know, if there's a car crash and you 300 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 3: interview five people that witnessed it, you're going to get 301 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 3: five different stories because it's from their view. To be honest, 302 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: you absolutely, the stories aren't like they one saw a 303 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: blue ship and one saw a redship. It's not that 304 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: there's tiny little discrepancies and about where and where and 305 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: what angle and time and that kind of thing. It's 306 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: not we didn't see anything and we did. Yeah. I 307 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: know it's a little controversial, but there are at least 308 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: two other witnesses that do have different accounts of what happened, 309 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: and they're going to be in an upcoming documentary called 310 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 3: Cappel Green by Dion Johnson. Are you familiar with the 311 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: accounts of those guys like Larry Warren and Steve Longero. 312 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 5: I am with Larry Warren a little bit, not with Steve, 313 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 5: and I am aware of the film. It looks really 314 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 5: good taking a different approach, and I think this harked 315 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 5: back to definitely something happened that weekend, and I think 316 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 5: a lot of it was tried to be covered up, 317 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 5: and a lot of people that the witnesses were interviewed 318 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 5: by us. I don't know what you want to call them. 319 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Io Ashley call it or whatever, and they try 320 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 3: to trying to steer the narrative, right. 321 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, So we don't know. They've been 322 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 5: messed with basically mentally, their brains have been messed with, 323 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 5: which may account for discrepancies and different interpretations of what happened. 324 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 5: I know Larry Warren is a controversial figure within this, 325 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 5: but then kind of a lot of what he said. 326 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 5: I've actually interviewed someone called Major Laurie Redvelt. She was 327 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 5: stationed just before the Rendoshi Forest incident in December nineteen eighty. 328 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 5: She was transferred away, but she was there in nineteen 329 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 5: eighty and she claims to have experienced, you know, non 330 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 5: human intelligence in terms of meeting the gray alien and 331 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 5: different cryptid creatures before these events. And she's a very 332 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 5: credible person and I've interviewed her and she kind of 333 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 5: vouches for what happened to Laura to Larry Warren as well. 334 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,239 Speaker 5: So at the end of the day, I don't know, 335 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 5: but I think everyone should be ginning the chance to 336 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 5: tell their story. 337 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 3: This is a little bit of a unique case in 338 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 3: that it's not like there was one incident boom, the 339 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 3: thing came down, they saw it. It kind of takes 340 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: place over two, three, maybe even four nights, depending on 341 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 3: whose account you're hearing. It seems like there's separate, multiple 342 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: events that happened over this short time period. There's kind 343 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: of been woven into a narrative. Is that right? 344 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 5: Yeah? That adds to the intrigue, isn't it. There's something 345 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 5: definitely was going on. Looking back at it, we have 346 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 5: to look objectively and taken to the account the context 347 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 5: of the whole thing. It was nineteen eighty height of 348 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 5: the Cold War. We're on NATO air bases which have 349 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 5: got nuclear weapons, but also nearby. Not many people know this, 350 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 5: but all for ness where the lass was there was 351 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 5: also a secret radar testing station, and also not far away, 352 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 5: there was an other secret high tech based testing all 353 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 5: sorts of weapons at marsham He and you know Mendous 354 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 5: and forests banks back in the middle. It's like, is 355 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 5: that coincidence? I doubt it. 356 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, and I do feel like there is 357 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: a there could be easily be something going on here 358 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: with them trying to interview each of the witnesses and 359 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 3: maybe steering them. I've talked to a few of these 360 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 3: guys that claim to be in the counterintelligence and it's 361 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 3: not like they tell them no, you didn't see a UFO, 362 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: No you didn't. They just nudge them a little bit 363 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: off the place they want them to go. Like in 364 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 3: this case, they kind of nudge them away from the 365 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 3: people that claimed saw an entity. I think it's easier 366 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 3: for them to explain away lights in the sky because 367 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 3: they could say that was a mistake. But an entity 368 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 3: is another level, you know. 369 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 5: I know, how do you explain why that? 370 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's. 371 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 5: Where did they come from? Yeah? Who will? Yeah? 372 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 3: And what was it? And was it really there? And 373 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 3: was it physical? And who saw what when? And it's 374 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: just it's like they just purposely inject these things with 375 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: doubt and confusion, and it's enough to make some people go, Okay, 376 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: I'm out, I don't I'm not sure what happened here. 377 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this can be a large to the 378 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 5: whole UFO, you know, movement at large. What's going on? 379 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 5: Why we're not getting disclosure because the lodging us away 380 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 5: from certain parts, aren't they really at the end of 381 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 5: the day, controlling the agenda. 382 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely seem to be wanting to control the 383 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: narrative to their to their facts. Let's take a break there, Mark, 384 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: we come back. We're going to ask you about the 385 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 3: strongest evidence that was there that this was an off 386 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 3: world event. You're listening to be on Contact on the 387 00:20:50,680 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We 388 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Mark Christopher Lee 389 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 3: about the Rundelsom Forest UFO case. Mark, what is the 390 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 3: evidence in this case that makes people think that this 391 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: might have been an alien or non human event. 392 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 5: There's a couple of things that stand out for me 393 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 5: that there's Charles Holt's dictaphone recording that he took out 394 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 5: in the field when he went to investigate these lights, 395 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 5: you know, and he sees this blinking eye, and he 396 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 5: sees molten metal coming out of this craft or whatever 397 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 5: it is, and then it shooting off up into the 398 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 5: air into different parts. 399 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 3: I thought that was a lighthouse. 400 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 5: Some crazy lighthouse. There is crazy, So that explained away easily, 401 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 5: like lighthouses or misidentification. And then there's Jim Peniston's testimony 402 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 5: where you know, he said a craft landed, then he 403 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 5: went up and touched it. It had strange higeraglylyphics on 404 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 5: it and had the whole binary code download, which I 405 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 5: was always a bit suspect with, but then having my 406 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 5: own binary code experience, like maybe this is incredible. Yeah, 407 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 5: it was like, I can't explain what happened to me, 408 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 5: and so yeah, there's definitely something otherworldly about it. But 409 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 5: whether it's you know, a psychological response to a natural 410 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 5: event of some exotic technology, I don't know. I'm kind 411 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 5: of heading that way a little bit. 412 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 3: Certainly in your case, because you're going in with the 413 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 3: preconceived notion you know that this happened to Jim Peniston, 414 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: so that could be rolling around the back of your brain. 415 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 3: But in nineteen eighty, before we all knew about binary 416 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: code and computers, Jim Peniston didn't have this on his brain. Yeah, 417 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 3: that's a really good point. Actually, you know, there's a 418 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 3: lot of evidence here too. There's the radiation readings that 419 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 3: were taken there and the inside of those trees where 420 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: they said the craft was Yeah, the march. 421 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 5: In the round, yeah, absolutely, and damage to the tree 422 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 5: line as well, which was all documented. We also trolled 423 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 5: through the files the original UFO civilian investigators that went 424 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 5: out there, Brenda Butler dot Street, Peter Parish, and we 425 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 5: actually found a map just detailing where the craft was, 426 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 5: but also it states that there were six craft. There 427 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 5: wasn't just one, okay, and these were recovered by the 428 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 5: military and taken to Germany to a NATO bet in Germany. 429 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 5: That's what we discovered. And there's an investigator called Peter 430 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 5: Parish is one of the one of the locals that 431 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 5: looked at it, and he detailed the maps. And there's 432 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 5: there's also further witnesses that have yet to be interviewed 433 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 5: from the Territorial Army, which is like the Silver Guard 434 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 5: I guess you would call them in the US who 435 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 5: were camping nearby and they were witnessed to this as well. 436 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 5: So we think, yeah, we. 437 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 3: Don't really hear about those folks, the people that military witnesses, 438 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 3: you know, no, I know. 439 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 5: And there was a lot of research done by by them, 440 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 5: and you know, including the damage done to the to 441 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 5: the tree line, so's something definitely physical happened. You've got 442 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 5: a higher than level background radiations with Nick Pope, the 443 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 5: MD investigator confirmed as well the indentations. And then you've 444 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 5: got Colonel Charles Holt's memo. He wrote this Mamma explaining 445 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 5: everything that happened, sent it to the UK Ministry of Defense. 446 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 5: It wasn't meant for public public eyes. 447 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 3: Right right? Really great that we have that came out. Yep. Yeah. 448 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 5: I have to say. The other thing that I became 449 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 5: aware of after the film was like, not many people 450 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 5: aware of this, but just twenty four hours later we 451 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 5: have the cash Landrum incident in Huffman, Texas. Is that 452 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 5: a coincidence? We've got a craft that's giving off some 453 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 5: radiation which seriously affected two main adult witnesses with suffer 454 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 5: I'll help one of them die from it. And that's 455 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 5: all been documented. And if it's this kind of diamond 456 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 5: shaped craft emitting something being followed by black helicopters, you know, 457 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 5: that's that's really weird as well. 458 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: So it's a very good tie in. Man absolutely could 459 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 3: be related. The last piece of evidence I was going 460 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: to mention is, you know, Jim Penison did even take 461 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: castings of the impressions the craft left, so we do 462 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 3: have a lot of physical evidence and testimony for a 463 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 3: case That's what makes this case really really strong. I 464 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 3: think after looking everything that you've had, you've been to 465 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 3: the site, you've looked through the accounts of these guys, 466 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 3: what do you think happened there? 467 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 5: We'll go back to researcher and author Georgina Brunei unfortunately 468 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 5: in along with us, but brilliant brilliant research or an author, 469 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 5: and she researched Randall, shechrm wrote a book about it. 470 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 5: But she also spoke off the record to Prime Minister 471 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 5: at the time, Margaret Thatcher, and she asked, Margaret Thatcher, 472 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 5: what you know, Rendersry what happened? And she said, it 473 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 5: wasn't aliens, But you can't tell the people. Why can't 474 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 5: you tell the people? Maybe because knowing where it's situated, 475 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 5: we have offered nests radar testing. We have marsham Heath 476 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 5: another secret testing station. Were they testing some new craft 477 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 5: app which may be part of the same program Reagan 478 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 5: was doing. They were testing out, you know, Huffman Texas 479 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 5: which led to the Cash Landrum, possibly part of the 480 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 5: same program. I don't know. Maybe some exotic technology giving 481 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 5: off radiation affecting people's perceptions of what happened. I don't know, 482 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 5: it's a theory quite credible. I mean I would love 483 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 5: it to be aliens, don't get me wrong. It goes 484 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 5: back to the whole thing. People say, UFOs, what are they? 485 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 5: There's no one single answer. They're aliens, interdimensional their time travelers, 486 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 5: they're humanology. Yeah, yeah, there's all sorts of our technology, 487 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 5: of osse engineered technology. There's no one simple answer. 488 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 3: And there is this idea that the entire Runners from 489 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 3: UFO case has been distorted intentionally and it's you know, 490 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 3: been deliberately framed as a UFO case to obscure something else, 491 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: which is what you're alluding to now with thatcher. You know, 492 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: maybe it's military technology and they don't want to say 493 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: what they have. They rather have people just think it's aliens. 494 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: It's you know that we're not as advanced as they say. 495 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, I think that's where I'm heading at the moment. 496 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 5: But I too. I've spoken to research or professor Simon 497 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 5: Holland about this as well, and he's proposed this theory. 498 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 5: He reckons that maybe they're using super advanced physics which 499 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 5: kind of went wrong, maybe open some sort of portal 500 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 5: of a dimension, which is why people still experience weird 501 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 5: phenomena at Randelsham. Now, you know, I'm not exaggerating. People 502 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 5: go there every weekend in the UK to witness stuff. 503 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 5: They do to hang out, and they have mostly paranormal experiences. 504 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 5: You know. It's a big place where people go to. 505 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 5: It's really really interesting, but it's happening all the time. 506 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 3: Did seeing the site in person change your view as 507 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: to what you thought happened or was your sum and 508 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 3: before you actually went there the same. 509 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 5: No, I mean it did change me as a person. 510 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 5: I think what we witnessed and experienced ourselves was a 511 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 5: bit scary, to be honest, and was I don't know. 512 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 5: I couldn't rationalize it. I've got a science degree. I'm 513 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 5: always trying to debunk myself and my own experience with 514 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 5: especially the binary code. When I came home, but also 515 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 5: on the way back to the car after filming really 516 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 5: late at night, the cameras went on, it was pitch black. 517 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 5: We heard this really weird howl like a wolf. It 518 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 5: was like a really really loud crypton noise. It was 519 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 5: like scary and it's scared that Jesus out of us 520 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 5: all and so we were kind of running back to 521 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,239 Speaker 5: the car in the dark, and it's like, what was that? 522 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 5: We don't have walls in the UK, Okay, there's nothing 523 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 5: like that, and it's what is that? And then it's 524 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 5: like there's been talk of Nick Redfern talked about the 525 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 5: Rendalshom shrug monkey, which is a bit like a big 526 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 5: foot sasquatch type creature, and it's like, is that here 527 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 5: as well? Is it all just you know, in brains? 528 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:03,239 Speaker 5: I don't know. 529 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 3: And that's where the whole wherewoll thing was too back, 530 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: that's where that happened. 531 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 5: Right. 532 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: How does this case compare to other UFO cases you've researched. 533 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's definitely the best one in the UK by 534 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 5: a long way. I think the close second, which I 535 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 5: need to do more of research on it is pen 536 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 5: Turk in Wales, which is a similar type of incident 537 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 5: where the military came and removed something locals saw a 538 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 5: UFO crash land whatever you want to say, and there 539 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 5: was a lot of physical evidence left behind there. That's 540 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 5: a really good case. And you know there's others in 541 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 5: Whales as well. Broad Haven School incident where school children 542 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 5: saw this is in nineteen seventy nine ers, I mean, 543 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 5: and they saw you know, UFO Land and aliens get out, 544 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 5: and I've seen the original drawings that these kids drew 545 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 5: straight after this and it's like, whoa, They're amazing. They 546 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 5: can't be explained. Something happened. 547 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 3: That's seventy nine, one year before rundleshom very interesting. When 548 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 3: we come back, we're going to ask Mark about his 549 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 3: views on the UFOs and the UK versus our views 550 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: here in the US, you're listening to Beyond Contact and 551 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 552 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Mark Christopher 553 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: Lee about the Rendolstrom Forest UFO case. Mark. In the US, 554 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 3: Roswell is a well known subject and it's synonymous with UFOs. 555 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: Is that what Rendalstroom's like in England. 556 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 5: It's the nearest thing. The reason why I made these 557 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 5: UFO films that did the previous one about the royal 558 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 5: families interests in UFOs and the Royal families were specifically 559 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 5: interested in the Rendolstrom case as well, and the Rendolstrom 560 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 5: one is to try and generate more public debate about 561 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 5: this because in public, no one talks about UFOs really 562 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 5: like the US, where it's some of the major news 563 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 5: networks now and you know, it's a big thing, whereas 564 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 5: in the UK it's still very much jokey Joki snigger snigger. 565 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 5: But I have to qualify that because I go around 566 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 5: some a lot of film festivals and a lot of 567 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 5: networking events music and films or whatever, and I'll have 568 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 5: my UFO T shirt or something like that. People always 569 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 5: come up to me. They've always got a story. So 570 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 5: everyone's had some sort of encounter or experience. So I 571 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 5: think once they know it's okay to talk about it, 572 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 5: they will. You know, I get contact ten times a 573 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 5: day with people sending me clips the stuff they've seen 574 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 5: in the UK. A lot of it can be explained, 575 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 5: but some of it can't. We need to catch up 576 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 5: with the US, in my opinion, and taking it more 577 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 5: seriously and getting more academic scientists politicians involved. And it's 578 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 5: really really difficult. 579 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 3: It is. I mean, I think it's been about ten 580 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 3: years now that this has happened in America that we 581 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 3: finally have changed. It was way different before twenty seventeen, 582 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: you know, unlike Roswell, this happened thirty three years later. 583 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 3: So it's still possible to talk to all these witnesses, 584 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: the witnesses that we have, and you and I have 585 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 3: just talked about there's this guy, there's this faction, there's 586 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 3: all these different accounts of what happened. Does the government 587 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 3: in the UK seem to be even interested in pursuing this. 588 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 3: It seems like somebody ideally the government should pin all 589 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 3: these guys down and get to the bottom of what 590 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 3: happened and put all their stories together. 591 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 5: They should do, but they're not. I mean, I've written 592 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 5: to the Prime Minister about this, but I've had their response, 593 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 5: and I know John Hanson has as well. I mean, 594 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 5: you had more interest John Hanson from the Queen like 595 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 5: Queen and l like Prince Philip. They were interested. They 596 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 5: want to know what went on. But I think that 597 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 5: there's definitely been a cover up. And one of the 598 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 5: interviewees in the film Richard Lawrence from the Arias Society, 599 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 5: he was one of the original investigators on the scene 600 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty. You know, he phoned up Woodbridge and 601 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 5: was on the phone chatting to someone about it and 602 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 5: so are you talking about the UFO that landed and 603 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 5: things like that, and basically she was told to stop 604 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 5: talking about it. It's classified, and it was shut down 605 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 5: that Molly was on the phone, So I think there's 606 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 5: definitely a cover up of what happened. Maybe because they're 607 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 5: protecting some technology that were testing out. I don't know, 608 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 5: maybe it was part of Thatcher and Reagan doing Star 609 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 5: Wars together. I don't know. 610 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 3: If it's alien, they don't want us to know about that. 611 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 3: If it's not alien, it's their secret tech, they don't 612 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 3: want us to know about it. One way or another, 613 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 3: they definitely would want to cover it up. It just 614 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 3: makes logical sense right either way. 615 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yeah, what do you think would. 616 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 3: Happen today if we had one of these massive cases 617 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 3: like a Roswell, like a Rendell shim or even like 618 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 3: the Phoenix lights. You know, nowadays everyone's got a camera 619 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 3: in their pocket, everyone has access to social media. Could 620 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 3: we be just one more of these big cases away 621 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 3: from changing the worldview on this topic. 622 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely, And I think that's how we're going to 623 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 5: get what if you want to call it disclosure. It's 624 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 5: not through governments or nations. It's going to be from 625 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 5: the people releasing the information, releasing the evidence collectively. I 626 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 5: think that's what's going to happen it's going to be 627 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 5: a glass roots thick. But you're right, if something big happens, 628 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 5: we'd be all over it. 629 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 3: But you know, one hundred percent, you know, I don't 630 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 3: think we're any closer to disclosure here in America, although 631 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 3: some people feel that we are. But we are at 632 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 3: least having congressional hearings, and there are people in government, 633 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 3: high level government, talking seriously about this. They just had 634 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 3: a film come out called The Age of Disclosure, which 635 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 3: has a lot of very high level guys very openly 636 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 3: talking about this subject, something we wouldn't have seen ten 637 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 3: years ago. Are you seeing anything like that happening in 638 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 3: the UK? 639 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 5: No, to be honest, although qualify that me and other 640 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 5: UFO researchers in the UK, we're getting contacted by proper whistleblowers, 641 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 5: people in the military that have had encounters that want 642 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 5: to go on record publicly, but they don't feel confident 643 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 5: enough they haven't got that backing or from the government 644 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 5: to do that. So I think it could happen, and 645 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of credible witnesses and whistleblowers 646 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 5: that want to come forward to testify like they have 647 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 5: done in the US. 648 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd like to get these guys before they age 649 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 3: out of this. I'd like to get as many of 650 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 3: these witnesses and record as we can so we can 651 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: put together what we think might be happening. You know, 652 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 3: there's of course a lot of speculation that UFOs have 653 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 3: an interest in our nuclear weapons. Of course, do you 654 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 3: think that may have been why they were at Rundels 655 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 3: from there? 656 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's definitely a connection because a few 657 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 5: of the witnesses claimed to have seen beams of light come 658 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 5: down from whatever was in the sky onto the nuclear 659 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 5: storage area. Why would that be? I mean? But also 660 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,479 Speaker 5: if that was some secret technology be testing, why would 661 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 5: they be doing that unless it was Russian or I 662 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 5: don't know. 663 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're testing a new technology, do you fly 664 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 3: it over a nuclear weapons storage base? You know, That's 665 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 3: something that I've never heard anybody bring up. And it 666 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 3: makes a really strong point. Is this where I know 667 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 3: you're not going to test it over Phoenix because that's 668 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 3: a population, But would you test it right over nuclear weapons? 669 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 3: That doesn't make any sense. 670 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 5: It doesn't make any sense, does it, you know? And 671 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 5: we talked about what the physical evidence. Definitely something we 672 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 5: haven't not many people realized that also, they had these 673 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 5: big outdoor lights called white tools that were malfunctioning because 674 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 5: there's something electromagnetic going on, and you know these have 675 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 5: been tested recently, but they were going out and weren't 676 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 5: working right. Something was happening. 677 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 3: A lot of things happened electronically. That's another piece of evidence. 678 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 3: We didn't mention their radios were going down. There were 679 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 3: all kinds of electronic interference, which is something we often 680 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 3: hear on these UFO cases. 681 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 5: Of course, absolutely, yeah. 682 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 3: Mark, what do you think is going to be next 683 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 3: for you? Are you going to go to Wales? Do 684 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 3: you have another case on your radar that you want 685 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,959 Speaker 3: to visit? Do you have what's your plan? 686 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a couple of things. We want to do, 687 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 5: something similar to the Age of Disclosure in terms of 688 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 5: getting these whistleblowers there is really good witnesses on camera, 689 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 5: try and get them some protection from from the government. 690 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 5: There was talk of having a meeting with someone from 691 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 5: the house lords. That never materialized, but I'm pushing for 692 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 5: that as well, to try and try and get the 693 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 5: whole disclosure movement growing here in the UK. But then 694 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 5: also to investigate the other most credible case, which is 695 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 5: pent Turke and Wales and one of the main witnesses. 696 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 5: She's come forward and you know she's been shut down. 697 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 5: She wrote to the King. The King wrote back saying 698 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 5: you couldn't talk about it. We didn't deny that anything. 699 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 5: You know, it didn't say nothing happened. 700 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 3: Right right, that's telling as well. 701 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. 702 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 3: You need that watershed moment. I mean we had that 703 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 3: New York Times article in twenty seventeen that really did 704 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 3: tip things over and then boom they were on sixty 705 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 3: minutes and boom it was on the next thing. And 706 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 3: now it's definitely a different climate here, which is great. 707 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what we need. And yeah, we need to 708 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 5: keep on pushing the politicians over here and the media 709 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 5: because the media, especially likes of the BBC, won't cover it. 710 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 5: I mean, we are getting a little bit of coverage 711 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 5: on the Renderssian film because of the forty fifth anniversary 712 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 5: this Christmas, so we'll see how that goes. Yeah, you know, 713 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 5: it's difficult to get mainstream media to take it seriously 714 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 5: in the UK. 715 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 3: Well, the bottom line is, man, I feel like you're 716 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 3: out there doing it. You're making you're recording your music, 717 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 3: you're shooting your docs. You're going to these places live 718 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 3: and in person, and I just think that's great. Man. 719 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 3: You're somebody that's living their life and really not just 720 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 3: reading about this stuff, but you're investigating it. You're going 721 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 3: to the sites. I think it's awesome and thanks for 722 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 3: sharing all that with us today. What's the best place 723 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,479 Speaker 3: that people can find you? Mark? 724 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,720 Speaker 5: Sure, I'm on social media. I'm applicking of UFOs on TikTok, Instagram, 725 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,479 Speaker 5: on x. 726 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 3: At the King of UFOs. 727 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,439 Speaker 5: Okay, there you go, So please contact me with any 728 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 5: stories or any information. I'm always happy to help. 729 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 3: Thank great sounds good, Mark, I appreciate it. You guys 730 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 3: can find me on Twitter and Instagram at CID Underscore 731 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 3: Captain Ron. 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