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Speaker 1: when this day beautiful. Welcome to the Therapy for Black

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Speaker 1: Girls Podcast, a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development,

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Speaker 1: the best possible versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr

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Speaker 1: Joy hard and Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: for a relationship with a licensed mental health professional. Hey y'all,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining me for Session on six

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Speaker 1: of the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast. If you're looking

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Speaker 1: for a mood boost in this season, then I've got

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Speaker 1: just the movie for you. To check out Netflix's Jingle Jangle.

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Speaker 1: I was absolutely caught up in the wonder and magic

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Speaker 1: from the film as well. Joining me and gushing over

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Speaker 1: the movie today is Jordan Madison. Jordan is a licensed

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Speaker 1: clinical marriage and family therapist, originally from Brooklyn, New York,

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Speaker 1: currently living in Silver Spring, Maryland. She received her b

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Speaker 1: and I chatted about the themes present in the movie,

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Speaker 1: and the importance of staying connected to our sense of

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Speaker 1: play and wonder as adults. This episode does contain spoilers,

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Speaker 1: so please save it until after you've had a chance

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Speaker 1: to enjoy the movie. If there's something that resonates with

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Speaker 1: you while enjoying our conversation, please share with us on

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Speaker 1: social media using the hashtag TVG in Session. Here's our conversation,

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Speaker 1: Jordan's for an interview with two of Jingle Jangle's youngest magans.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me today, Jordan's thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for having me. Yeah, So I'm very

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Speaker 1: if like everybody doesn't see because sometimes other people are

431
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: not meant to see it. It's maybe it's only meant

432
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: for you to see. Yeah, I wrote that. It's funny

433
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 1: that you said that because I forgot I wrote that quote.

434
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: I have each year, I have like a theme for

435
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: the year, but I write down quotes in my notes

436
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: from each year that really speak to me, and that

437
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: was probably the most recent one that I did, because

438
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: I think that's so important. Sometimes people won't see your

439
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 1: vision and doesn't mean that it's not possible that it

440
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: can't happen. It just means that they can't see it.

441
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: But that's fine, you know, because it's it's still maybe

442
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: it was God given or maybe it was a university,

443
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: whatever you believe in, it was getting Yeah, yeah, I

444
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: think that that was again something else that kind of

445
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: popped up throughout just you know, kind of trusting your

446
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: own intuition and your own voice and your own vision.

447
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 1: Even if other people don't agree with it or don't

448
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: affirm it, there's a likely reason that why you have it.

449
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: And as you say that, I also think of patients.

450
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: Patients came up to me one because you think of

451
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: Dronic has eventually got everything that he had been working for.

452
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: It was way overdue and there were a lot of complications,

453
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: but he did continue to be the inventor that he

454
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: was destined to be. But I also thought of Gustufson

455
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: and how he and it seems to jump the gun

456
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: like he went and stole those things. But if you notice,

457
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: right after that scene, Dronis comes back to him and

458
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: he's like, don't think we could have a family celebration

459
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: without And towards the end, when either he's arrested or something,

460
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, if you had just waited, I

461
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: would have shown you everything, right I had, you know,

462
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: So it Patients stepped out to me as well, because

463
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: I think if something is not going the way that

464
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: we expect or as soon as we expected, we get frustrated.

465
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: We might try to do other things. But if we

466
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: just wait and trust, like you were saying, in our vision,

467
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: trust in our skills are capabilities, it will still come

468
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: to us. It doesn't mean to not do the work.

469
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: You have to still do the work. But the work

470
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like looking at someone else's paper

471
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: copying what they're doing. It needs doing what what's good

472
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: for you. So Patients came up to me, not necessarily

473
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: as the theme, but it just came up as something

474
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: that I noticed, like had he just waited, Jeronius would

475
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: have shown him everything he knew and they could have

476
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: done more things, even more together. Yeah, and I also

477
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: think we gotta call attention to what was the little

478
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: toys name? Now, I forget a little I don't know,

479
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: I don't know his name, but the little blue man.

480
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: But he but yeah, because he reminded me of like

481
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: just the negative self talk. Yes, yeah, his messages were

482
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: like you know, he doesn't think you're enough, but you

483
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: could do this and that even though his whole intention

484
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: was just to be the one and only, it wasn't

485
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: actually further or help him. So definitely calling attention to

486
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: him though, because either are negative voices or that's can

487
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: maybe be a representation of self sabotage, but it's it's

488
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: very accurate because that's what sometimes happens. M Yeah, it

489
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: could be our own get voices, but it also could

490
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: be a person, right, Like I think we have to, hey,

491
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, have to kind of give space for the

492
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: fact that not everyone in our life always wishes us well, right,

493
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: And so sometimes that's an intentional thing, and sometimes it's

494
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: a subconscious thing, right, Like sometimes people will attempt to

495
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: try to keep you from walking in your path because

496
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: they've been afraid to walk in their own right. And

497
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,239
Speaker 1: so it can be our own voice, but it can

498
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: also be other people, other actual people in our lives

499
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: who will tell us stuff that then get in our heads,

500
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: and it's not anything we were ever thinking, right, Like

501
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: I don't think Us Simpson was ever planning to like

502
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: run off with Geronicus stuff, But then here comes this

503
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: little toy planning bastly exactly planning these seeds of doubt

504
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: and kind of saying like, hey, don't you want to

505
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: do this right? And so I think we have to

506
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: pay attention to those courses in our own lives, whether

507
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: that be ourselves due to some kind of self sabotage

508
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: or other people who may not kind of want to

509
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: see us moving forward in the ways that we would

510
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: like to you write, and noticing that even if you

511
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: notice that in your life and other people they may

512
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: be doing it intentionally, but they may not be, like

513
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: you said, and it could be because they're afraid, because

514
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: they're thinking that they're protecting you, or they fail, so

515
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: they don't want you to get your hopes up, so

516
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: they kind of try to water you down to that

517
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: you don't get your hopes up. But if you have

518
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: the vision, even if they can't see it, it's what's

519
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: really matters. And what's important is you believing in yourself

520
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: and doing the work that needs to be done. Yeah,

521
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: So I think it's interesting. So you know, we have

522
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls kind of team meetings every Monday,

523
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: and I feel like a couple of weeks ago we

524
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: talked about this on one of the meetings, like we

525
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: talked about Jingle Jingle because I think it was right

526
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: after I watched it, and just to watch everybody light

527
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: up at the mention of Jingle Jingle, I think it's

528
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: really something right, And so I love to hear your

529
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: thoughts about how so many people have kind of felt

530
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: really like joyous. I think after the movie it feels

531
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: like it touched something for people that we hadn't like

532
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: connected with in a while, or you know, again, given

533
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: the context of twenty twenties, something people really needed. But

534
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: I just love to hear your thoughts about, like what

535
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: you think people's like joyous reaction has been about. I

536
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: think there's always joy when you see a movie that

537
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: gives representation, and so seeing so much black joy in

538
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: the film felt great. Also seeing a storyline that has

539
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: nothing to do with police brutality, nothing to do with slavery,

540
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the perils or the hard things

541
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: that the black culture is always set to be facing.

542
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: But just like not to say that there weren't perils

543
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: that happened in the movie, but they were normal or

544
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: perils that anyone could face. And I feel like oftentimes

545
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: movies or anything that celebrates black culture typically does it

546
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: in the resilience sense, like when we had to go

547
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: through all of this for to celebrate, and this was

548
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: more of just a celebration regardless of that, and I

549
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: think that was helpful. I think that was nice to

550
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: see given everything that we've seen in It's like Black

551
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: Panther was such a hugely celebrated boy is thing, and

552
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: even though Wakanda is not necessarily a real place, or

553
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: even though the movie was Superheroes, it was just great

554
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: to see a beautiful cast with multiple people looking like

555
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: youer people that you love, and the joy that we

556
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: felt in that it was great. And then in like,

557
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: we lost our Black Panthers, so that was surprising, that

558
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: was hard. That was a collective grief. I mean, we've

559
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: lost I think a lot of a lot of icons

560
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: in our cultural life, you know, this year, and so

561
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: I think this was just really a nice reminder of

562
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: just Christmas spirit, joy, miracles that can happen. Kids seem

563
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: to bring out the best in in all of us,

564
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: you know. I think that's what was refreshing in it.

565
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: And it didn't have an underlying sadness first piece. Yes

566
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: there's times where he was down, but it wasn't a

567
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: struggle of blackness. It was more just something that happens

568
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: and then seeing the joy that comes with patience and

569
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: believing in hard work and magic and all of those

570
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: positive things. Yeah, I'm glad you brought up Black Panther

571
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: because I do think in some ways I hadn't connected it,

572
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: But I think that there is a parallel in the escapism, right,

573
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: Like just so again now knowing that what Kanda is

574
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: not a real place, but for those two hours or so,

575
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: like you can kind of envision, like you know what

576
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: what that world feels like, and it feels like you

577
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: were able to do that with Jingle Jingle as well,

578
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: just kind of get lost in the fantasy and the

579
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 1: magic of it. I also thought it was a good reminder,

580
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: and you know, you've already said it would be great

581
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: for any age, but I think it was a good reminder,

582
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: especially for adults, to kind of stay tapped into that

583
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: play and wonder that comes so easily two kids, but

584
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: that we kind of like pushed to the side as

585
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: we get older and have responsibilities and you know, all

586
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: of these things, there still needs to be space and

587
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: time made to to kind of they connected with that. Yeah,

588
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: with the the magic and the joy and the care

589
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: freeness of life. Like, yes, even though you're an adult

590
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: and there's responsibilities, it doesn't mean that you can't play.

591
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean there's studies on however, play is it's important

592
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: to to keep that even you know when you say that,

593
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: that reminds me of the scene when they're having the

594
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: snowball fight. Yes, like that was just playful exciting that

595
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, I think that began to open Germoniicus up.

596
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmmm, yeah, because up until that point he has

597
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: still been keeping Journey at out an arms length, right,

598
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, so it felt like he was kind of

599
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: recreating that same dynamic he had with his daughter with Journey,

600
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: and then we see the snowball fight, and it does

601
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: feel like it kind of moves their relationship into a

602
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: for space whereby the end you see him saying I

603
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: love to be the grandfather for her that I was

604
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: not able to be in terms of a father for you. Yea,

605
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: So it feels like now we are kind of healing

606
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: some of that intergenerational trauma in terms of kind of

607
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: getting close as a family again. And never minded me

608
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: because my dad brought that up when we watched it

609
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: of just sometimes your grandchildren are second chances. And he

610
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: brought it up because just my story and how I

611
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: came into the world and how my grandparents reactors and

612
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: responded to me. But until that was more of like

613
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: a personal level. But I think in general, there's always

614
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: time for a second chance. You can recreate relationships, you

615
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: can in a healthy way. Of course, I'm not saying

616
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: that you have to with everyone, but there's there's space

617
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: for that if the work is done. And I think

618
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: that conversation that Jronicas has with Jessica and he shows

619
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: her the letters and he shows her this is what

620
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking. That's where healing was able to take place,

621
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: because now she was able to realize it wasn't fully

622
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: about me and I didn't do anything wrong and he

623
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: didn't want me there. He did love me, but he

624
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: didn't know how to express it. And now I can

625
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: work on the forgiveness. And now I also see how

626
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: he's treating my daughter, and I know that that was

627
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: in him all along. M m m yeah, yeah, I

628
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: really appreciated that. And again, you know, thinking about this

629
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: is not necessarily going to be an easy road, right

630
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: because this is years of them, you know, not being

631
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: together or whatever. But I guess when you think about

632
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: the flashback and the fact that this is now told

633
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: through the eyes of Journey right when, you can kind

634
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: of see that there has been some work done. And

635
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: what I was kind of confused about at the end,

636
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: So is Journey now running the factory? Is that what

637
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: you kind of took away from it? Because they fly

638
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: off right and he and I think the little boy

639
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: says like, oh, is that the factory? Huh? I don't

640
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: even think I thought of that, just a random thought

641
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: at the end. I don't think they explained it, but

642
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: I was just curious if you had any thoughts. Yeah,

643
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: I just maybe, you know, because she wasn't invented too,

644
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: and it was cool that they show us her through

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Speaker 1: the coils in her hair. Yeah, I mean maybe. And

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that when she starts the

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Speaker 1: I don't think you've ever read this test before, and

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Speaker 1: she says, you know, I've never read this to anyone before.

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Speaker 1: So that made me questions. So did she not share

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Speaker 1: it with her daughter or her child, because her grandkids,

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Speaker 1: so you would think she would have told her children.

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Speaker 1: But then I was like, Okay, maybe I'm just overthinking,

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Speaker 1: but but I think it was just really cool. And

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Speaker 1: if that's the case, then I wonder, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: will it be passed down and it will be a

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Speaker 1: continuous thing that stays in the family because now her

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Speaker 1: granddaughter sees things and it's probably an inventor at least

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Speaker 1: believes and has that magic in her as well. Right right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just a very sweet, sweet kind of gesture there at

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Speaker 1: the end, tell us where we can find you. What

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Speaker 1: is your website as well as any social media handles

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Speaker 1: you'd like to share? Sure, so everything is all the same.

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Speaker 1: So my website is www. Dot therapy is my jam

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Speaker 1: dot com, my Instagram and Twitter or at therapy is

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Speaker 1: my jam as well. It's a play on my initials

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Speaker 1: because my initials are JAM, so it works out really nicely.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so you can find me there. I am

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Speaker 1: located in the DMB area, so that is another way

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Speaker 1: that we can connect if you're in that area, I guess,

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Speaker 1: and even if not, I'm pretty everything is virtual now,

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Speaker 1: so I've been able to make a lot of connections

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Speaker 1: and that's been great, and I've been really focused on

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Speaker 1: reducing the stigma around mental health and normalizing going to therapy,

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Speaker 1: especially in our community, which is why I've I love

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Speaker 1: therapy for Black Girls. I've been following therapy for Black

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Speaker 1: Girls since at least but I created these T shirts

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Speaker 1: that say like therapy is my jam or going to

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Speaker 1: therapy is my jam as a way to support that

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Speaker 1: message that it's okay to go to therapy or it's

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Speaker 1: okay to see a therapist, whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to do that absolutely well. We

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Speaker 1: will be sure to include all of that in the

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Speaker 1: show notes. Thank you so much for chatting with us today, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: no problem, Thanks for having me. Now I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be thinking about so many things every time I watch

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Speaker 1: another movie, what messages are in this? So this was

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Speaker 1: definitely great. Thank you, Thank you, have a good one, Julian.

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Speaker 1: What was your favorite song from the movie All My

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Speaker 1: Laugh waiting for the Day, whatever, this day beautiful? And

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Speaker 1: what did you like about the movie? Do any kids?

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Speaker 1: Jangle and they were the bad guy? Who was the

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Speaker 1: bad guy? H de Descent? What made him a bad

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Speaker 1: guy because he tried to get over the world and

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Speaker 1: make it full of bad guy so they couldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: So the stranger couldn't get the okay, was saying, h

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Speaker 1: jes all the parts of the good guys, and should

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Speaker 1: we do those kinds of things? Now? Why should we

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Speaker 1: do those kinds of things? Because though though ruined the

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Speaker 1: Quesnas spirit. Oh beautiful, Julian, is there anything else you'd

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Speaker 1: like to say about the movie? All Dreams are calling

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Speaker 1: on this day? Waited for this day? Beautiful? Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, Julian and Jackson. What was your favorite part

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Speaker 1: of the movie that Journey believed? What did she believe

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Speaker 1: in everything? What else did you enjoy about the movie

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Speaker 1: that I figured out Gofferson was the villain so quickly

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Speaker 1: in the movie. How did you figure out so quickly

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Speaker 1: that he was going to be the villain? Because every

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Speaker 1: villain has a part where the people that they count

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Speaker 1: on they get rejected. Oh wow, that's incredibly smart that

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Speaker 1: you figured that out so soon. Did you have a

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Speaker 1: favorite song from the movie, This Day? So you like

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Speaker 1: this day? Also? Great? Well? Thank you both for participating.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad Jordan was able to join us for

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Speaker 1: today's conversation. To learn more about her and her work,

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Speaker 1: be sure to visit the show notes at Therapy for

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Speaker 1: Black girls dot com slash Session one and please text

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Speaker 1: two sisters right now and tell them to check out

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Speaker 1: the episode. And a very special thank you to Jackson

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Speaker 1: and Julian Bradford for sharing their thoughts about the movie

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Speaker 1: as well. If there's a topic you'd like to have

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Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls dot com slash mailbox, and if

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Speaker 1: you're looking for a therapist in your area, be sure

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Speaker 1: to check out our therapist directory at Therapy for Black

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Speaker 1: Girls dot com slash directory. If you want to continue

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Speaker 1: digging into this topic and meet some other sisters in

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Speaker 1: Yellow Couch Collective, where we take a deeper dive into

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Speaker 1: the topics from the podcast and just about everything else.

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Speaker 1: You can join us at Therapy for Black Girls dot

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Speaker 1: com slash y c C. Thank you all so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me again this week. I look forward to

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Speaker 1: continue in this conversation with you all real soon. Take

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Speaker 1: it care