1 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance today. 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Maybe my favorite guest of all time. Maybe it took 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: about two years to get her on the podcast. The 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: love of my life, the wife of my children, the 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: glue that holds this whole ship together. Sondi Phelps, Welcome 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: to the show. Sondi. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: Hi, I feel like this is a trap. 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: No, not a trapit all. I've wanted to get her 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: on here just so we can talk about everything involved 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: in our daily life, from the business to honting, to 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: our kids to our life crazy life. I've tried to 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: get her on here probably twenty plus times, and she 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: figures out a way to schedule a meeting or be busy. 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: So it's nice to finally get her on here. So, yeah, Sondy, 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: we met. You were a junior in high school. I 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: was a senior in high school, I believe, if I 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: remember the story correctly, we got set up by your cousin, 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: who was one of my good friends. I was trying 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: to dodge a date, and you just wanted to go 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: to the dance. If I remember correctly, that's correct. 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: My best friend she left our school and ended up 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: going to your school, and we were figuring out how 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: we could hang out together, and just you know, there 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: was no other way than to go with some guy. 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 2: So I guess you were the lucky one. 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. And so a little bit about that night. It 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: was November first, the night before opening day Elk season, 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: back when I still rifle elk hunted, and so back 29 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: in the day, we you'd go out, eat dinner first, 30 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: go do the whole dance thing, and then our tradition 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: was always to go back into town. But for us, 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: town was thirty minutes. I think we went to Denny's. 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: I think it was the only place open. So we 34 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: went had dessert at like the Shahala's Denny's, yeah, because. 35 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: It was the first of that Grasshopper milkshake. 36 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. And so we way back when we were about 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: whatever that would have been two thousand, prom went did that. 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: So now it is one o'clock in the morning, and 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: then I've got to bring you back to your house, 40 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: which is fifteen miles past my house. So I remember, 41 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: like I lived for opening morning Elk season. But it 42 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: was my first date ever with you, and I can 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: remember getting into bed at like two fifteen to twenty 44 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: in the morning, and I'm just like, oh, Dad's gonna 45 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: kill me. I'm gonna have to be up here in 46 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: two hours. But we decided you were my good luck 47 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: charm right off the bat is that next morning, I 48 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: believe I killed a bowl and my uncle killed a 49 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: bowl and my cousin killed a bowl all out of 50 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: the same location. Yeah, it was good luck. And then, 51 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: if I remember right, did we did I drive back 52 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: down there that next day? Or did we just? I 53 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: think it was hunting season. I don't think at that 54 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: point you weren't. You weren't that big of a deal 55 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: yet in the relationship. We only went on one date. 56 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: I think I probably ended up going Elkhunt that day, 57 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: and then I think a week or two later we 58 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: ended up officially. However, do you say it going out dating? 59 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: From then? 60 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: Well, you came over a few times because my dad 61 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: and uncle. 62 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: Got Oh, yeah I did. I did have come over 63 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: that opening night to hang out, which which alludes to 64 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: or as a great segue, like you're the background of 65 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: hunting in your family. Your family also hunted, So hunting 66 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: wasn't something new to you. 67 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: No, hunting wasn't anything new to me. It was done 68 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: a little differently than you guys. I think everybody rifle hunted. 69 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody bow hunted at that point. Well, 70 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: I guess you didn't bow hunt that at that point either, 71 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was more I guess. I guess it 72 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: was probably the same. It was a family aspect. I 73 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: didn't hunt at that time, but I did go with 74 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: my dad. I'd just drive around. So we do a 75 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: lot of road hunting versus trekking through the woods hunting yep, yep. 76 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: And a little bit about you grew up, in my opinion, 77 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: like a lot different than us. Your family has thirteen 78 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: hundred plus or minus acres, and so you guys not 79 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: only did you guys hunt public land or with the 80 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: rest of the crew, but you guys also had like 81 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: your own little honey holes. And you know, your grandpa 82 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: hunted all the way up until he passed. You know, 83 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: he would. He had his own little tree stand, he 84 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: had his own little clearcut, and so there was that 85 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: like you could always go find, you know, find some ground. 86 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: But then you also you went and hunted everywhere else. 87 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, I forgot I did. I We killed those 88 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: bulls that morning, and we actually had one of our 89 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: best mornings ever. I think my family had killed six 90 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: legal bulls that morning, and then I did go down 91 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: to your house at night and I'd remember your That 92 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: was the other thing that was a big differentiator, because 93 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: your family was currently in the partying phase as I 94 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: got there, and my family was so serious that, like 95 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: you didn't want to. So there was a little difference 96 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: there that after after my wife's family was successful. 97 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: They would celebrate. They celebrated. 98 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they celebrated a little bit more than we did. So, 99 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: so give us a little background your upbringing. You know, 100 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: I I was raised on what I would consider like 101 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: a city block within the big city appel, still way 102 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: out in the sticks, but we lived more inside the 103 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: city limits. You grew up on a on a farm, 104 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: and so it give us a little background into your upbringing. 105 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: I grew up on a farm. It was probably right 106 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: around one hundred acres with not all our land, but 107 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: it was land that we used from neighbors also that 108 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: we would hay and all that stuff. So there was 109 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: a lot of room to you know, roam around. I 110 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: think my best friend was about five miles away, and 111 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: she was really my only my friend that was the closest. 112 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: That was a girl, So I kind of hung out 113 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: with the boys a little bit more, just you know, 114 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: because they were closer. So we do quad riding and 115 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: I don't know, it was it was just different, but 116 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: a lot of walking. My parents didn't take us out 117 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: places a lot because they were working. My dad was 118 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: a truck driver and my mom owned hair salon, and 119 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: so it was a lot of walking or riding bikes 120 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: to get to friend's house and hang out. So I 121 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 2: hung out with the people that I was closest to, 122 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: which was always fun because I don't know, I'd get 123 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: to school and I'd get to hang out with the 124 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: people that I didn't get to see, even though I 125 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: was still close to them. And then as far as hunting, 126 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: I wasn't big in the hunting. My brother he he 127 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: did a lot of predator hunting and staying out in 128 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: the woods and stuff. But for me, it was just 129 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: it was more the family aspect of being around everybody, 130 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: getting to go with my dad sometimes. But after the harvest, 131 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: we'd you know, get together and we'd make kill Bossy 132 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 2: and we had family recipes and so it was more 133 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: of a family aspect than anything else. 134 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it raised up a little different, but definitely 135 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: respected hunting, and so then you know, we I'm gonna 136 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: get my dates all mixed up. I know our anniversary 137 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: is coming up here on July eighth, but you started 138 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: dating on November ninth. I have a leave or officially 139 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: dated and ended up getting married in two thousand and six. 140 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 2: Yes, he took his sweet time, Yeah. 141 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: Two thousand. Well, I I was wise for my age. 142 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: I wanted her to get through school, me to get 143 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: through school. Didn't want to do anything dumb, make sure 144 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: she she had her head screwed on right. So she 145 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: was going to school to be a dentally assistant. I 146 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: was going to school to be an engineer, and so 147 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: I finished up in two thousand and one. You finished 148 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: up in two thousand and three, somewhere in there. So yeah, 149 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: I took our time and didn't want to have kids 150 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: too young, but didn't want to have kids too late, 151 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: and fast forward. Ended up having our first son, Hunter 152 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, got married in two thousand 153 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: and six, our daughter Peyton in twenty twelve, early in 154 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. So just your atypical you know, quote unquote 155 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: American family. You know, two kids and a boy and girl. Yeah, 156 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: and I always joke because I've definitely got a case 157 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: of ADHD and always been kind of that entrepreneurial spirit, 158 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: always wanted to be working on something, doing something aside 159 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: from showing up at my nine to five every day. 160 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: And so I always kind of joked, as you know, 161 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: once we had the kid, I had to find something 162 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: else because I was working on fourilers back in the day, 163 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: and uh just always kind of messing around out out 164 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: in the shop. And uh that was two years in 165 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: between the two kids is when we started thinking around 166 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: or messing around with with calls. 167 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: Well, you really started in two thousand and nine when 168 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: we were in the hospital with Hunter. 169 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: That's when I was doing all my research. 170 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: I think, yes, researching, and then you kind of dabbled 171 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: in the We got a lathe and you started turning 172 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: a little bit. But I mean we'd send out maybe 173 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: a call every month, every two months. It wasn't anything, 174 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: it was it was just a hobby for you. 175 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: We were giving away more calls I think than selling. 176 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: And I'm and this isn't to paint my wife in 177 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: a in a bad light. This is to give like 178 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: the reality of the situation. Financially, we weren't in a 179 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: good spot to start any business. I can remember remember 180 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: coming home and you know, coming home from the hospital 181 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: and being like, oh, we're gonna I'm gonna do this, 182 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: and we just kind of that was on the heels 183 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: of kind of I wouldn't say I failed Fouriller repair shop, 184 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: but just you know, spending a lot more money than 185 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: we needed to. You were burnt out, yeah, burnt out. 186 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: And then the reality is, and thank god you trusted 187 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: me on this one, is that there was there was 188 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: a high likelihood that I was going to get into 189 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: it because I'm passionate. And then she was like the 190 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: voice of reason, like trying to keep me grounded, like, 191 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: don't spend all of our money that we do have 192 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: a little bit that we do have. And so I 193 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: always it's not me talking ill on her. She was 194 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: just a voice to reason, like you're going to do 195 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: another thing that you think is going to work. And 196 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: so I know at first there was there was a 197 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: little bit of friction with even kind of starting this, 198 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: which was healthy. 199 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: Well, I think that my first thing was I support you, 200 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: but I am not supporting in you that you and 201 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 2: this this is this is ridiculous. Just because we had 202 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 2: a new baby, at home and the other business just 203 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: kind of it didn't really fail, it just it stopped. 204 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: And it was a lot of you know what, we 205 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: haven't grown up on a lot of being on the 206 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: internet and talking to people and networking, and there was 207 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: not a lot of time for me, which yeah, which. 208 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: Is fair and is healthy, And there was a lot 209 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: of It wasn't just from you, Like I can remember, 210 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: and me and my dad have a great relationship, but 211 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: I can remember there was a day I was building 212 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: diaphragms during the Super Bowl and Hunter was being loud, right, 213 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: And so it wasn't just friction between me and my wife. 214 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: There was friction between me and my dad. I could 215 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: remember him snapping it my kid a little bit, and 216 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: like it all came out right, It just boiled over. 217 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: My dad had seen how much I was on the 218 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: internet trying to sell calls, how much I was working, 219 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: how much I was building diaphragms, and I mean, my dad, 220 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: for the first time in a while, kind of got 221 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: in the yelling match and a toe to toe. And 222 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: so I'm not saying my wife, my dad, my mom 223 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: aren't my biggest fans or weren't my biggest supporters. There 224 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: was just a lot of friction along the way, right. 225 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: It wasn't super easy like some people think, Oh, you 226 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: just fill into this, it's something that you loved and 227 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: you get to do it. It wasn't something you've got 228 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: to do. You had to work hard yep. Yeah, and 229 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: we had to accommodate. 230 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can remember. I think my dad's quote was, 231 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: you spend all the time on that stupid Internet. It's 232 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: never going to amount to anything. But they didn't kind 233 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: of see, you know, all the forums, all the groups, 234 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: all the everything I was on. I had that that idea, 235 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: and I thought there was some momentum, and but I 236 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: would never fall. And I'm not trying to say it's 237 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: a fault. There was just some friction. Early on Fast Forward, 238 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: I think we're in the middle of so we're building 239 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: just at this point we're building wood body. I'm building 240 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: wood bodied calls and putting guts in them and tuning 241 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: that what is now known as easy a stress. We 242 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: still have it in our line and I will never 243 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: remove it from the line, just because that was the 244 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: call that kind of started the company. But at that 245 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: point we expand, we get a diaphragm press. I saved 246 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: up all my money that I was making on a 247 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: few of the wood calls that we had, and we're 248 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: still in a position, right, no real money coming out 249 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: of this. We're giving away more calls and we're making. Thankfully, 250 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: I was able to save up some just enough money 251 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: to buy a diaphragm press because I ultimately knew like 252 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: where I needed to get if I was going to 253 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: be a legit or a real call maker, you know, 254 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: get to that point. And at that at that moment 255 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: in time, we came home from a vacation where we're 256 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: in Vegas, I think for a short little just one 257 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: of those cheap vacations we could afford. We didn't gamble 258 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: a lot. We just went to Vegas to hang out. 259 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: Right. We got home, well, it was for. 260 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: World Calling Champions, yes, the first year we went, in 261 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. Yes, We get home and our house is 262 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: flooded and we don't know how or why that happened 263 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: at that point, and so we're removed from our house. 264 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: Me and my wife, who have our own house, are 265 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: now living with my mom and dad again. It was 266 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: at that very time that my bud, my good buddy, 267 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: Tom Ryle, had ran an article in a magazine, a 268 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: national magazine about the calls, and so timing is not perfect, 269 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: room isn't perfect, My ability to make calls isn't perfect. Thankfully, 270 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: I would still able to come up here because the 271 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: shop was still hadn't been touched, so I would. Now 272 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: it's even tougher on us. We're now selling more calls 273 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: than we ever had before. We don't have a website. 274 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: I can't handle the phone calls, and so this is 275 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: even less of an ideal situation, is that me and 276 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: my wife are now me and SONDI are now trying 277 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: to figure out how do I make the calls, how 278 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: do we build them, how do we get this many 279 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: packaged shipped? And you just deal with like it wasn't 280 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: gradual growing pains. It was kind of instant, which put 281 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: even more stress on us because we have a kid, 282 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: one kid, We're living at my mom and dad's, and 283 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm now spending ninety percent of my time not even 284 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: assembling them with you guys, I I was up at the. 285 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: Shop well, and a lot of the time I wasn't 286 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: even really a part of it at this point. It 287 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: was your mom that was helping you a lot. And 288 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: then I would I would stay with Hunter and she 289 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: would be packaging and putting things together, and I would 290 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 2: just help when I could. 291 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, at that point, you had had the job 292 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: up in Olympia, driving up to Olympia every day. I 293 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: was also driving to Olympia every day, trying to do 294 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: this after hours. Just kind of a huge time commitment. 295 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: And then get where we're like she had said, three 296 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: four orders a week maybe. 297 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if they do a hundred a week, yes. 298 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: And also this was the time where Hunter got his 299 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: diabetes diagnosis, so another thing that made things just a 300 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: little bit harder. 301 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were crushing it. Hunter was all potty trained, 302 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: but like year and a half, we're dialed and then 303 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: things kind of to spiral out of control. They were like, 304 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: why is this all going backwards? Sandy? For those of 305 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: you that don't it was also a type one diabetic 306 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: juvenile on set, so she had that before we had 307 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: ever met. We were able to test his finger that night, 308 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: and it was heartbreaking at that point, like it was 309 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: a lot of y me, why did we get stuck 310 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: with this? But come to find out rushed him up 311 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: to mary Bridge and he had also had type one 312 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: diabetes at the age of. 313 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: Two, Yes, and he thankfully. I mean, you always have 314 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: to find a positive and I figure I was diabetic 315 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: for some reason. I just never knew why. And it 316 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: was actually very relieving knowing all the symptoms that he 317 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: was feeling. It made things a lot easier. And we 318 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: actually got out of there in two days and most 319 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: people are there for almost a week, so. 320 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: And we were able to catch it before it got 321 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: to the acid keyt todosis, which is what most people 322 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: usually how they find. 323 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: Out they end up in the hospital. 324 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: So, speaking of kid number two, she's trying to call 325 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: me right now. Hopefully I didn't interrupt the podcast. So 326 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: during all of this, we're dealing with brand new type 327 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: one diabetes with our boy. The call company is exploding. 328 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: We're not in our house, we're living with my parents, 329 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: we're pregnant with kid number two, and the company is exploding. 330 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not to get all dramatic or over 331 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: dramatize it, but like this is the stuff that people 332 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily see like in the humble beginnings, where nowadays 333 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: this would be like the easiest year of our lives 334 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: if as far from a business, you know, if if 335 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: that was the only orders we got, Like that'd be 336 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: super easy. We just we'd crush. Kid number two comes along, 337 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: a lot more issues were going. We had some. Our 338 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: kid was born. Hunter was born at twenty. 339 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: Eight weeks, twenty eight weeks. My water broke at twenty 340 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: four twenty four weeks, so it was a little scary. 341 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: And then with Peyton, she just didn't want to come out. 342 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: And then but what I was going to get to, 343 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: not to interrupt you, sorry, is all the trips to 344 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: the hospital you'd get you were more worried this time, 345 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: and so shot Sawny's like, I think I need to 346 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: go in. I'm like, we were just there two days 347 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: ago and they told you and so like she was 348 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: very worried from the first pregnancy and she had preclamsy. 349 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: I had preclamsia. Yeah, so they say, if you see 350 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: the sparkles in your eyes when you blink, you need 351 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: to come in right away. So we were coming in. 352 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: We were going in every other day. I think it 353 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: was crazy. 354 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: Like two weeks of the worst ice we had had ever. 355 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: Like I can remember driving down the highway and just 356 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: like hitting those frozen chunks of ice. I'm like, this 357 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: is the most stressful thing ever, and so that's just 358 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: like a quick picture into our lives. Like she's still working. 359 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was for an orthodonist at 360 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: that point or the eye doctor. I think it was 361 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: the orthodonist at that point. I'm working a full forty 362 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: hour week. We got one kid with type type one 363 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: diabetes and a new baby on the way right as 364 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: the company was exploding, and we're kind of looking at 365 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: each other, and you can just imagine like the stress 366 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: and the stress and the friction of our relationship kind 367 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: of kind of hitting its height there. And the company 368 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: wasn't really rolling. It was more it still kind of 369 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: looked like a hobby, right. We weren't really making money 370 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: on it, spending a lot of time. And I can 371 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: remember back then, I would have been twenty eleven. I 372 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: can't remember how old I was then. It would have 373 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: been thirty two or thirty three. And I remember making 374 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: a promise to you that if this doesn't get going, 375 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: maybe thirty thirty three one. If this is a get 376 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: going by thirty five, we'll scrap it and we'll just 377 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: focus on on the family. So yeah, we kind of 378 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: just kept the status quo, kind of started to build 379 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: a brand over the next three or four years. You know, 380 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: Peyton's born, so now we have two little ones. And 381 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: this was maybe not on the business side, but from 382 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: my perspective, I knew I was putting a lot on 383 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: your shoulders. We kind of knew the recipe was. I 384 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: needed to hunt, I needed to be able to provide this. 385 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: But now I'm leaving you at home with a three 386 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: year old and a zero year old or a one 387 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: year old, and I'm going to be gone for two 388 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: two and a half months and in the fall. And 389 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: that was the point where I knew it was tough. 390 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: I knew it was difficult. I knew deep down I 391 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: had to do it, but I wasn't. I'm kind of 392 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: a one of those guys where if I just didn't 393 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: talk about it, I could do it. I wanted and 394 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: I knew it was you know, on you rewind and 395 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: I always tell everybody. Once Peyton was five years old, like, 396 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: things got easier. It wasn't easy, but it was definitely 397 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: easier those first five years until our second kid was 398 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: until Peyton was five, We're probably the most difficult during 399 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: the fall. 400 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 2: Right and I was usually I was probably well, I 401 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 2: can honestly say I was pissed. I was jealous. I 402 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 2: didn't get to go on vacation. And you know, I 403 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: always joke with Jason and say that he goes on 404 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: vacation for hunting, which she says it's work, because I 405 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: mean technically it is. But come on, like doing what 406 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 2: she liked to do all the time and getting to 407 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: go when you want to go. I didn't get to 408 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: go on those vacations. So it was rough, but it 409 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: was but we made it. I mean, given you take. Yeah, 410 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: and I'm still waiting to take. I mean, I know 411 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: it's coming. I have a europe trip plan. 412 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh I'm going to be over the Atlantic more 413 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 1: times than I want to. And I keep telling her 414 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: if I don't, if is there anything we can hunt 415 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: while we're over there. But I love my wife. She's 416 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: very she is very giving. She is very flexible on 417 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: me hunting a lot in the fall. But the writings 418 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: on the wall that these are going to be vacations 419 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: between me and her, no hunting involved, so uh, those 420 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: are those are coming up, you know, in the in 421 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: the next few years. So yeah, it was tough. It 422 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: was My wife is a rock star. I would also 423 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: at this point. Probably have to say my mom was 424 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: a huge rock in our relationship at that point because 425 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: you were able to definitely, you know, get get help 426 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: from my mom. We spent you and my mom, I 427 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: would argue, you know, we're best friends. Uh, you know 428 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: still are to that, you know, to that point, but 429 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: like you spend a lot of time there while I 430 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: was gone for weeks at a time, right, well. 431 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: And I probably couldn't. I don't like to vent to 432 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: people when I'm mad at Jason because other people take 433 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: what I say and they look at it in a 434 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: negative light. So it was really easy to talk to 435 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 2: your mom when I had problems, because, well, you're her son. 436 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: So if I say, oh, Jason's such a jerk, she's 437 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 2: not going to go until she probably. 438 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 1: Vibe she probably she usually agreed with me. 439 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: So it was great. But I could talk that, I 440 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: could talk to her about things that I couldn't talk 441 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: to other people about because I didn't want people to 442 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: think that, you know, we were going through a rough 443 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 2: patch and there was any chance of us splitting up, 444 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 2: because that wasn't the case. I just needed to get 445 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: stuff off my chest, and you know, having somebody like 446 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 2: your mom have her name's Pam. Having somebody like Pam 447 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: in our lives, in my life was something that I 448 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: couldn't have done it without her. 449 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was. It was tough, but like I say, 450 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: I probably should have did a better job talking about 451 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: all of this, but I kind of knew what I 452 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: needed to do, and it was easier in my mind 453 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: just not to talk about it and and just go 454 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: do what I felt we had to do. So fast 455 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: forward to twenty sixteen. I designed the AMP diaphragm and 456 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: the new bugle tube, and at that point we went 457 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: from you know, the JV basketball team to the big 458 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: leagues all in one and fail swoop in twenty sixteen. 459 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: And so that was when I can't remember the exact 460 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: timing you were in between you'd already an orthodonist of 461 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: the eye doctor. You had started doing medical billing or 462 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: insurance billing from the doctors, and I was in need 463 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: to hire somebody. And by time you pens it all 464 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: out like if I pay him this much an hour, 465 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: by forty hours a week, I'm like, well, doesn't make 466 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: any sense. You're already driving up there. You get two 467 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: hours of your life back. You can be more involved 468 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: in our kids' lives. You know, Hunter was a pain. 469 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to have to interrupt, because I 470 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 2: don't think it was you that said that. I'm pretty 471 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: sure your mom said, Jason, either you hire her or 472 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: hire somebody else, or I'm done. 473 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: Maybe, But regardless, the reason I picked you is what 474 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: by time you did the math, I would assume pay 475 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: you this, you know, similar or same amount. You get 476 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: to spend more time with the kids, be able to 477 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: take them to school, pick them up. Hunter, with being 478 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: a Type one diabetic, either needed my mom or you 479 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: around at all times. So there were there were some 480 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: other reasons, but you know, thankfully my mom was already 481 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: working for me, and then you were able to I 482 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: say me. At that point, it wasn't really the company, 483 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: it was it appeared to be, you know, we working 484 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: for me. And then the company started to roll in 485 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and was able to hire Sandy to come 486 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: on and kind of take over that stuff because I'm 487 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: still working every day, get you know, building calls when 488 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: I get home, using my vacation to build calls, and 489 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: that was kind of you know, the fast track. And 490 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: then from twenty sixteen things have always you know, is 491 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: more of the recent story where we're more well known, 492 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: things got bigger, and yeah, now you know, I get 493 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: to take the fame or you know, I get to 494 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: be the face of the company. But the reality is nowadays, 495 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: since about twenty eighteen, Sandy runs I say run the show. 496 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: I run the show as far as designing calls, kind 497 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: of setting the tone for how I want the office 498 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: atmosphere to be. But on the inside, operationally, I think 499 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: it's safe to say that you kind of run the show. 500 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: I think I do a lot. 501 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: Yes, she doesn't like it. At times when things get tough, 502 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: she wishes she wasn't running the show, but she does 503 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: do a really good job. Now. One thing that's tough 504 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: is we've hired a lot of friends and family, and 505 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: I probably put Sondy in a spot which isn't the 506 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: easiest because she now has to manage some of her 507 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: best friends, my mom, you know, an aunt. Everybody we've 508 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: hired in this company has been you know, we're from 509 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: a small town, and so I sometimes I feel bad. 510 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 1: I would say Sondy is more black and white. It's 511 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, I want it to be this way where 512 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: I'm I'm more of like try to keep everything, you know, 513 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: soften the edges, keep everybody happy, and and so yeah, 514 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: Sondi runs a show like everything being on time, us 515 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: hitting all of our deliveries, us making sure all of 516 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: the calls are in stock. She she she bears that 517 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: burden on the day to day where it seems like 518 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 1: I get the goof off or do the fun stuff. 519 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets to come down and joke around with 520 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: the office where I just told him, Hey, we don't 521 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: have time to do this, let's go. And he comes 522 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: down and he's like, hey, everybody, let's take a break 523 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: and go have breakfast. You know, we have to keep 524 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: that that office morale and we have engagement that we 525 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: have to do. But you know, sometimes he doesn't do 526 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: that at the best times. 527 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm the boss now, I should probably do a 528 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: better job checking in. But it is that it is 529 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: that like keeping morale up while it's a balance, right 530 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: and we're working. We're getting better if we just did 531 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: the way you know, did things where we are so 532 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: you know now checking in making sure like hey can 533 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: we make this, Hey let's go, you know, have lunch. 534 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: We try to keep it. We're improving on it. We're 535 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: improving on the old system where you know it's it's 536 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: all about productivity or it's all about morale, where it's 537 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: like you got to try to intertwine those two and 538 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: do it at the right times or the right days 539 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: or the right weeks, right. 540 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: And you know, sometimes we just need it. I mean, 541 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: we have to step It is really hard to I 542 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: mean not just for Jason and I, but I'm sure 543 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: it's hard for everybody that works with us, to work 544 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: with us. They get to see us in a different light. 545 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: I say us, They get to see me in a 546 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 2: different light. I'm not always you know, peppy and happy 547 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: and and let's go team. It's more come on, guys, 548 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: we need to do this. And it's it's hard to 549 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 2: say that. And I get really nervous when I have 550 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 2: to talk to them, just because I don't want to 551 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: cause conflict between us. And you know, they're all great 552 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: and they just roll with the punches and and do 553 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: everything that I ask them to do. And I couldn't 554 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: ask for better people. But it does take a toll 555 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: sometimes on all of us. 556 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is awesome, you know. I can remember 557 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: the day when meat Eater was getting ready to purchase 558 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: the company if I was willing to move the company, 559 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: and that was like and that was gonna be an 560 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: absolute deal breaker. Extremely proud to keep this in pel 561 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: be able to offer people jobs that you know, may 562 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: not pay the most, but uh, you know, we got 563 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: good benefits. We've got decent, you know, decently flexible hours. 564 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: We you know, close to home. You're not spending as 565 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: much of your life driving. So that was that was 566 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: big for me. And in order to keep it here 567 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: in pl well. 568 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: And it's nice too. I mean, we're we do a 569 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 2: lot of small town sports, so you know, being able 570 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: to accommodate and let let people go watch their kids 571 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: play and just keep that part of it because really 572 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: that's kind of what we built our whole facility on 573 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 2: is is family. I mean we hired family, we hired friends, 574 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: which are basically family. 575 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: Ye. 576 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: So to keep that and say that we are a 577 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: family business, we really truly are. 578 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, and that's that's our day to day. 579 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: And now I do the call design, do more of 580 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: the brand managing, you know, making sure the brand looks 581 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: like we want it to. We're marketing to the right people, 582 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: We're going the right direction. I dream it up, I 583 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: put a little bit of it together, build a bill 584 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: of materials for Sandy, kind of tell her and the 585 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: team how it needs to be built, and then I 586 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: get to be hands off. I'm back to the fun stuff. 587 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: How are we going to make a silly video to 588 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: launch cis call? How are we going to go hunt? 589 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: You know, the video edits all of that stuff, you know, 590 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: this podcast, all of these things, and then Sandy is 591 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: essentially forty hours a week responsible her and Corey, our 592 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: business manager, to deliver on all of that, you know, 593 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: make sure that the calls. Calls are getting sold to 594 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: the right wholesalers, the right vendors, the box stores are 595 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: taken care of, and then Sondy's making sure we have 596 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: enough stuff at the warehouse, the orders are going out correctly, 597 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: We're not losing too much money on it, and. 598 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: We're going to meet our actually our launch dates. I mean, gosh, 599 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: just with some of this stuff this year, it's been 600 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: it's been cut to the wire, but it's very stressful 601 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: and just's like, oh, we're going to do it. We 602 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: can do it, and in the back of my head, 603 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: I know we can do it, but you know, sometimes 604 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: there's stuff that happens and it's scary. I don't like 605 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: to be the person that says, oh, we can't do it. 606 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And we're probably still pretty old school where I 607 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: I feel that anytime we're missing or we're not firing 608 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: on all cylinders, like I don't want to in my mind, 609 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: the way I think about running a businesses that could 610 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: be somebody's job, like that's the first thing that goes right, 611 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: or that could be multiple people's jobs, and it's I'm 612 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: very proud, and maybe too proud, and proud is not 613 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: the right word. I just don't want to be there. 614 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: I want to I want to be able to hire more. 615 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: I want to keep this thing growing and and SONDI 616 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: probably carries that weight more than I do. I think 617 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: over the last couple of months that's been one of 618 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: our bigger, bigger arguments is like prioritizing work, like, hey, 619 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: we don't have to work sixty seventy hours a week, Like, 620 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: let's let's work our hardest. It is what it is. 621 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: If we need we need more help, then we need 622 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: more help. All right, Well enough about the business. That's 623 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: that's not near as fun. Let's fast forward to you 624 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: as a hunter. So we mentioned you didn't really hunt 625 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: as as a kid growing up, besides hanging out, you know, 626 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have your own tag, your own weapon. What 627 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: was it. Probably kids are eight and six or so, 628 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: you decide you wanted to start. You always rode around 629 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: with me and the kids, just in the woods. 630 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: And right, well, I always went out. I mean but 631 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: even since I was a kid, I always went out. 632 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 2: But you know, you kept going on these vacations, and 633 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: I needed to be a part of your world. And 634 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: not that I wasn't a part of your world, but 635 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: I wanted to do something that I knew you liked 636 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: to do, not necessarily, you know, go to the movies, 637 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 2: because you don't really love doing that. So I wanted 638 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: to be able to do something that you wanted to 639 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: do and you loved to do, and we could do 640 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: it together. And I loved hunting growing up and being 641 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: with my family, and figured, hey, why not get my 642 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: license and and maybe we can do this together. 643 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be truthful, at that point, I'm like, man, 644 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: this was kind of something the boys did. This was 645 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: kind of something that you know, growing up, we didn't 646 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: have a lot of females in the family that hunted. 647 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: It was kind of that guy's right the passage. But 648 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: it didn't take long where I was okay with it 649 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: as long as and I think we probably had a 650 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: good talk about this, like archery all cutting was going 651 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: to be for the boys, and then these things will be. 652 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: You know, you can rifle, I'll hunt. I'll be with you. 653 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: You can, you know, rifle deer hunt. I don't mind that. 654 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: I think we I don't want to call them boundaries. 655 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: But we just discussed like what we were going to 656 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: do and what we weren't going to do. 657 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: It really wasn't much of a discussion. I'm not a 658 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: big hiker, so I knew I didn't want to archery hunt. 659 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: So this brings up a funny story. Before she Averred 660 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: decided she wanted to hunt, you know, kind of a 661 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 1: kind of a country girl, just wanted to be out 662 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: in the woods, like doing some of that stuff. I 663 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: was going in to scout one of my elk areas 664 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: that was an all bike in area. She's already shaken 665 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: her head. We go biking in and so on the 666 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: way and it's pretty flat and a lot of downhill 667 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: and we get in there five or six miles and 668 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: find all the elk that we wanted to find and 669 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, find everything I needed to see. And on 670 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: the way out we had to push our bikes half 671 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: away because it was pretty steep. And I have never 672 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: heard Sondy's foul mouth or complaining. She hated bikes, she 673 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: hated rocks on the road, she hated me, she hated me, 674 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: she hated elk. So it's just a little when Sondy 675 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: gets frustrated or is too much physical endurance involved, she 676 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: gets mad. And so I got the last three miles, 677 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: I got yelled at on the way out, But that 678 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: was that's just a little glimpse in the her temper 679 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: and her not wanting to be pushing a bike, her 680 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: riding a bike, her getting back to the truck. She 681 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: just wanted to be home. 682 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I like to walk, you know, downhill both ways. 683 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: Actually I don't even like to really walk back downhills. 684 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: It hurts my knees sometimes, so flat that's great. 685 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: Uh So that was pre having your hunting license. So 686 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: fast forward to her having your hunting license. She is 687 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: the absolute at that time, was the luckiest tag drawer 688 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: in my family has ever seen. And you're two of 689 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: putting in She drew a tag that takes twenty there 690 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: is no taking a certain amount of time. She drew 691 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: a very good quality elk tag on the east side. 692 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: Two years later drew the other tag. I mean, and 693 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: both of these are well under a one percent draws 694 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: like she should not be drawing these tags draws. Both 695 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: of those, we weren't able to get it done. On 696 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: the first one, she ended up getting a little bit 697 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: sick and we had to come home. And some of 698 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: that was on me being a little bit too greedy 699 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: trying to find a big bowl. We had had some 700 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: that we could have killed the whole time. The time 701 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: that we finally do hike out there, they were gone, 702 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: So some of that was on me. Fast forward to 703 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: her second good tag, she was able to kill a 704 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: great six point I've just found and I don't recommend 705 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: anybody lies to their wife ever. But the best thing 706 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: with her is just fibbing as you go, like how 707 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: much longer you're like a half mile or so, it'll 708 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: be easy, but knowing you have like three or four miles. 709 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: I don't think I ever asked. It was more of 710 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: a you just offered the information, Oh, we only have 711 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 2: a half a mile longer. 712 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: Oh, you asked, like, how much more? Because you're trying 713 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: to figure out whether you're going to be real mad 714 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: at me right then or you're going to be mad 715 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: at me in a little bit. Oh. 716 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: I saving it up most of the time. 717 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: So she draws a good tag, kills a really good bull, 718 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: extremely steep country, and we were to the point where 719 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: she was just going to shoot any bowl thankfully. Oh 720 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: and that same night she killed a bull. So not 721 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: saying I know everything, but we're listening to this bowl 722 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: behgle probably two or three hundred times. We got the 723 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: wind in our face. It's obvious those bulls are feeding 724 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: that bowl and it's herd or feeding up the hill 725 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: down to Timber, though we can't see what they are. 726 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: And she starts telling me how we should Elk Counties, 727 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: that she thinks we're doing it wrong. We should go 728 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: down in there, we should go call them in, and 729 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, we got a gun and it's wide 730 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: open above tree line, and so I can remember just 731 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: like shaking my head, just going nuts because my wife, 732 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: who has never killed an elk at this point and 733 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to know what I'm doing, is now telling 734 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: me everything that we should be doing for three hours 735 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: straight while we watched or waited for this bowl to 736 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: show himself. 737 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 2: You know, I still think I was right. 738 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: So anyways, we get a shot at that good six point, 739 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: get it killed. And so she had one job in this, 740 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: so this could be my fault. She loves shooting my 741 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 1: three thirty eight edge, which is a single feed gun, 742 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: me knowing that if she had to get a reshot, 743 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: so I had an extra shell in my hand. I 744 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: tell her, after you shoot, you've got to watch. I'm 745 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: going to reload the gun and get you back on it. 746 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: She shoots, I don't look at anything. I put unload, 747 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: put the shell in. What happened? She's like, I don't know. 748 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: I didn't see anything. I'm like, well that you had 749 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: one job. Anyways, so we now know if this bull 750 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: is wounded. 751 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 2: Guy said it flipped over. I just you didn't just 752 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,439 Speaker 2: flip over. 753 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,479 Speaker 1: You didn't say that. I think you had no idea 754 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: what happened. Otherwise, I went around. 755 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 2: Home, really didn't go far away. 756 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: The next one, So we have I have no idea. 757 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: She's now stating that she has an idea that it 758 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: flipped over. I have no idea, and she never said 759 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: that when we there, Otherwise I would and ran over there. 760 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: This is probably the steepest ground sidehill that I've been 761 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: on in a long time. And it went from steep 762 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: sidehill and then it went through some rock shoots that 763 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: was almost like that that like shale rock that that 764 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: is hard, but it'll also slip loose. I bebop over 765 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: there and go through that section, like she's not gonna 766 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: like that. And I bebop through the next section of 767 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: rock and I get over there and the elk is dead, 768 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: but it's starting to get dark, and I really don't 769 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: want to go back to her, but she is now 770 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: stuck in the middle of the shale, screaming at me 771 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: to come get her. She can't go forwards, can't go backwards. 772 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: She's just stuck and it's dark. And so I finally 773 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: get my way back over there, and as one of 774 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: those he told. 775 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: Me to take my time and he would go over 776 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 2: and just sit with the elk to make sure that 777 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: I could find him with his light, and and so 778 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 2: I basically rode that rock to the bottom and then 779 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 2: crawled my way back out. 780 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: It definitely those build character in a relationship, though those 781 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: moments when you were You were nervous until I got there, 782 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 1: and then I got my butt showed for a little bit. Yeah, 783 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: we helped you out, and. 784 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 2: It just like and I helped you out because it 785 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 2: made myself really tired. By the time I got to you, 786 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 2: I didn't have any breadth to yell at you. 787 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: Yep, it worked out good. But then when we got 788 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: to the elk, it was just like when you're holding 789 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: that light for your dad as a kid and you 790 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: get yelled at no matter where the light's at. I 791 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: asked my beautiful wife to hold the light. So I 792 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: hadn't gotten an elk in a long time, but I 793 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: knew it was so steep where this elk died. He 794 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: got tangled up on the log. So I was going 795 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,919 Speaker 1: to get him and skin him out and just get 796 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of air under him, get everything cooled down. 797 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call in the reinforcements the next day. 798 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 2: And yeah, there was no way that I would be 799 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 2: able to help pack that she was. 800 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: It was steep, and she was scared to death of 801 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: where we were at, so she wouldn't move to get 802 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: the light where I needed And so I literally had 803 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: one light that was a major mistake. Son. He didn't 804 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: have a headlamp, so I had no headlamp on my own. 805 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: But she really wanted to if I remember, she really 806 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: wanted to have the light. She didn't want to be 807 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: standing there in the dark. And so we made it work. 808 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: And then the next that that hike out, like I said, 809 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: extreme steep. This is where I lied to her, probably 810 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: more than ever. I told her we had a long 811 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: ways out, and I could see that we're getting closer 812 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: to the road at one point. You know, most people 813 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: when they get tired and need to take a break, 814 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: they turn around and sit down or they'll cook them. 815 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: Sondia was just laying down, like standing up so steep 816 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: that she could just like cross her arms and lean 817 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: into the hill, which made for one of the better 818 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: pictures of all time. 819 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason likes to likes to share that one a 820 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: little bit. 821 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: But she's like, I'm too tired to turn around, sit down. 822 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 2: I just he just kept saying, go to the next tree. 823 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 2: Because I had to stop by a tree. I was 824 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 2: afraid that I'd slide back down, and if I slid 825 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 2: back down, I wasn't coming back out of there. He 826 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 2: could have packed me out the next day too. 827 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: So this is how well I know my wife been 828 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: around a long time. She's one of those people. And 829 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: you could tell I could pick it to the ninety 830 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: nine percent confidence, and she will pick out a landmark 831 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: and then that's where she's stopping. So she'll pick out 832 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: like a little tree, a little ledge, a rock that 833 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: maybe sticks out bigger than the rest. And so I 834 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: could see that, and I would try to get her 835 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: to like bypass the first landmark and get to the second. 836 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: I get to that tree up there, and no, she's 837 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: she's going to that landmark and that's where she So 838 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,439 Speaker 1: I was trying That's what I was trying to fight 839 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: through there. Hey, we got long ways ago, we got 840 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: to keep going. But no, we were able to get 841 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 1: a call out, get my entire family, which is pretty 842 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: cool to share, and your first pack out, and a 843 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: couple of my buddies John and showed up. 844 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 2: He came in clutch with the chocolate milk. The next morning. 845 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can remember you. You were kind of 846 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: nervous to ask. You're like, is it okay if I 847 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: don't go back down there in the morning. 848 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really didn't want to. 849 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, she had given me her notch tag and the 850 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: little letter that said we had the just to make 851 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: sure we were all of our eyes were dotted and 852 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: teas were crossed, that we had the right to pack 853 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: out her animal on her behalf, and and my dad 854 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: and two uncles and a couple of buddies. We went 855 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: down there, took care of it and bug it on out. 856 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was fun to watch them all come up, 857 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 2: you know, and take pictures of Jason and his uncles 858 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 2: bringing out my first bowl. Yeah, but you know, it 859 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 2: is kind of It's not that I'm just lazy, but 860 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 2: it is hard being diabetic and having your blood shager 861 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 2: go alow and being on a trail like that too. 862 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 2: So it Yeah, I guess I have an excuse built in. 863 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's well, she's out there, she's she's hunting hard, 864 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: and yeah, all I'll let her have that. It's not 865 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: even excuse, it's a real legit thing. But uh yeah, 866 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: we we've always got there. We've got to where we 867 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: needed to. You know, on that same hunt, we we 868 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: I probably pushed it too hard on those jeep trails 869 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: where you weren't having fun going up and down the 870 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 1: chasing that big Bowl. 871 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Big Boulder, the ones. Yeah, I didn't like that. 872 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 2: I think that he took some really not nice pictures 873 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 2: of me, videos videos, Yes, walking slowly. 874 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,919 Speaker 1: And so now you're hunting is I mean we still 875 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: put you in for for elk tags. You will elk 876 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: hunt around here occasionally, but now I would say we 877 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: we deer hunt more together. You yeah, meal deer and 878 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: that not the elk hunting is too hard. It's just 879 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: meal deer is I would say, more enjoyable for you, 880 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: more enjoyable for me. We don't get as many arguments, 881 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: whether it's Montana, Colorado. You know, we can glass from 882 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: the road, go after what we want to make sure 883 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: the stock is going to be the right stock. There 884 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: is still always a point of contention in our relationship 885 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: gets tested the most right at the point where we 886 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: got to shoot something or you have to shoot something. 887 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever had that bowl in Colorado 888 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: that James spotted. I guess went off with it. No, 889 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: we argued on that one. I would say, argue we 890 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: disagree at the point where I'm trying to get the 891 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: gun set up and dial it and she can't see something, 892 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: or getting the scope and that's where we look back, 893 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: and it's the time we laugh at the most. But 894 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: during the moment, we're button heads, right right. 895 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 2: I get a little flustered, and then I have to 896 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 2: calm myself down before I shoot, because well, I think 897 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 2: I get flustered because I don't like to. I don't 898 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 2: want to miss, not just because I don't want to 899 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 2: wound an animal and then have them suffer, but also 900 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 2: because I don't want to have to chase that sucker 901 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 2: even further. 902 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: That's a good, good reason. But no, I I never 903 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: tell her this, and and hopefully she's not listening right now. 904 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: But she's a great shot. We're a great team. Where 905 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: I've got to do the dialing and the figuring of 906 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 1: the wind. But once I get a gun set up 907 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: and you know, near the animal, she's she's never not 908 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: executed a perfect shot. And so I feel still feel 909 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 1: safe though that if she was ever gonna shoot at me, 910 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: I'd be all right because she can't dial the gun 911 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: and she doesn't like getting set up, so i'd have 912 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of time to escape. 913 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, But no, she can. 914 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 1: Shoot the lights out. She's she's a great shot, and 915 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: uh yeah, so that's that's been and we're the last 916 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: two times we went to Montana, we've been able to 917 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: take the Hunter has his hunting license and been able 918 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: to hunt Montana with us, and so it's been fun 919 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 1: to to get to do a little bit as a family. 920 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, and you know, it is nice taking Hunter. 921 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 2: It kind of breaks things up, and I have somebody 922 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 2: that will stay kind of back with me, and and 923 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 2: so I don't have to push myself. I just blame 924 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,399 Speaker 2: it on him. Now I say, oh, yeah, Hunter's blood 925 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 2: sugar is low, so we got to slow down. So 926 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 2: now we have two excuses. Yeah, but yeah, it's fun, 927 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 2: and it's also nice to know that, you know, Jason 928 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 2: has a hunting partner. And if I don't want to go, 929 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 2: not that I don't like to go and hang out 930 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 2: with Jason, but you know, if I stay home, there's 931 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 2: nobody here except for me and Peyton, and then we 932 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 2: can do some girl stuff too. 933 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, and Peyton, you know, she's so busy in sports, 934 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: more so than Hunter. Or it's like if we're not here, 935 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: she doesn't skip a beat, she doesn't hardly know we're gone. 936 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: She'll give us some updates on the phone and and 937 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 1: let us know how her volleyball games win or whatever. 938 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: She's football games went. She's all over the place, not. 939 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 2: That she plays football, but she just goes. 940 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 1: She'll go. She's at every event that the school puts 941 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: on everything. So now she she does not need to 942 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: be entertained at all. She's got her own schedule and 943 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: her own So yeah, it's uh, it's been a lot 944 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,240 Speaker 1: of fun. It's it's been tough. We kind of pushed 945 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: through and uh you've kind of been the you know, 946 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 1: I get to do all the fun stuff and you've 947 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: kind of held down the fort and yeah, it's just 948 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: it's been fun. You know this not to get too sappy, 949 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: but you talk about who you want to build a 950 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: life with and what it's gonna look like, and to 951 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: be able to kind of put all that together and 952 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: make it make it come true, is it's been awesome. 953 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been Uh, you know, I said I wouldn't 954 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 2: support him, but I support him in everything he does. 955 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 2: He's a pretty smart guy and he always has our 956 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 2: best interest at heart. 957 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,399 Speaker 1: So yeah, and I did not pay her to say that, 958 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: but uh no, I try to. I'm I'm very you know, 959 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: logical technical. I try to think through and I just 960 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: didn't see how this was gonna miss. It just took 961 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: a little convincing of everyone around me. And yeah, it's 962 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: it's been an awesome ride. I hate to say that 963 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: we're getting old, but and anybody it listens, it's older 964 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 1: than us. I apologize. I'm forty three now, she's forty two. 965 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 2: I am forty one and you are forty two. You're 966 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 2: gonna you just turned forty three. 967 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm all messed up. And see I'm so old. I 968 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: lost track. I'm forty two, she's forty one, going to 969 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: be forty two. Well, we kind of pushed you that 970 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: tough spot where our kids are, you know, a high school, 971 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: junior high life's I would say anything but easy, but 972 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: it's I feel like we've kind of hit that easy 973 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: street where things are going good. You know, we've been 974 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: together for so long now that we kind of know 975 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: what each other feeling. You know, those old arguments are 976 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: done about time and and this so uh no, it's 977 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: been awesome and what can you oh, this might be dangerous. 978 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: I was gonna a little sneak peak of what's it 979 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: like Aside from everything we've mentioned living with me, what's 980 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: what's something people don't know about me? 981 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 2: Well, he's a complete slob, for one. I mean, he's 982 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 2: the most unorganized person that I've ever met. 983 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry. 984 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 2: I will take slob back because I like to keep 985 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 2: things very tidy and I'm really organized in a little OCD. 986 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 2: But Jason, he he has stacks of stuff everywhere. And 987 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 2: here's a little story about him that he probably would 988 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 2: never share with anybody. Before I came into the business. 989 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,319 Speaker 1: You never asked me if you can share this sty I. 990 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,720 Speaker 2: Don't have to because you've already said that I'm the boss. 991 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 2: And so the hardest thing for Jason was staying organized 992 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 2: in the business. And I remember, right before I came on, 993 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 2: and before his mom said that we needed the help, 994 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 2: I was doing a lot of billing and I was 995 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 2: checking emails and I said, Jason, you have so many 996 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,479 Speaker 2: voicemails and I just don't know what to do right now. 997 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 2: And are you checking your voicemails? And you said, yep, 998 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 2: I'll check him in just a second. And he actually 999 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 2: pushed a button and deleted all of them. And I said, 1000 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 2: what did you do that for? He goes, I'm just 1001 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 2: so overwhelmed. I need some help, and so so we 1002 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,320 Speaker 2: you know, we pushed through. 1003 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: And well now that's why, like people are re swawn 1004 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: by email, like my phone even to this day, you know, 1005 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: we gave my old phone number up to to the 1006 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: customer service and let them take it over. You know, 1007 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: I've got a new phone number and still to this day, like, 1008 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: I love talking to my friends, but I can't get 1009 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 1: anything done if I'm answering all the text all all 1010 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 1: the voicemails, all the everything. And so back in that time, 1011 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: back on the old iPhones, I could just hit a 1012 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,880 Speaker 1: button to delete all my voicemails and then that just 1013 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,440 Speaker 1: fixed the problem. I like, it was crazy. It was 1014 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: just like a huge weight lifted off your shoulder. As 1015 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: soon as you push that button, you were good to go. 1016 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it wasn't always just work stuff. I mean 1017 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 2: there's probably five or six for me saying Jason, where 1018 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 2: are you at? What are you doing? And and it 1019 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 2: was it was weird. I mean I didn't really always 1020 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 2: check his messages because I don't. We're not one of 1021 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 2: those families that I look at his phone a lot. 1022 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 2: But being part of the business, it kind of got 1023 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 2: to the point where I had to listen to a 1024 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 2: few things and I'm like, hey, so on so called 1025 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 2: and they need a call, you know, and so it 1026 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 2: was just it was more convenient. But he didn't. He 1027 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 2: didn't always before I did that. He didn't always take 1028 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 2: care of those messages. 1029 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,399 Speaker 1: Hey I'm busy guy. No, I appreciate, yeah, coming on here. 1030 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: I know you're hesitant, but I always thought it would 1031 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: be good to hear your side and your upbringing and 1032 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: kind of how this you know, I get. I don't 1033 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: want to say credit I am. I'm the face of 1034 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 1: the company, but the reality is it's been you know, me, 1035 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 1: you and I through this whole thing, and you know, 1036 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: the last ten years has definitely probably been more you 1037 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: than me, aside from me just getting to design the 1038 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: new stuff and making sure it works. 1039 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but yeah, that's a. 1040 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,800 Speaker 1: Lot of meat. Well, thank you for coming on, honey. 1041 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: Until next time. I hope you guys are enjoying the 1042 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,800 Speaker 1: cutting the existence and elk season is getting close, so 1043 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm excited to kind of start getting into that