1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: The expected suspension for Draymond Green and Golden State. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 2: That news is in. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: Draymond Green suspended for five games. We'll talk about that. 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Are Chris Haynes spent some time with the Clippers in Denver, 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: so we will dive into Chris's notebook as well. And 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bulls, it appears that they are more willing 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: than ever to talk trade when it comes to Zach Levine. 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: Could the Bulls actually move Zach Lavine this season? 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: DeMar DeRozan? 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: Are there more moves on the horizon for the Bulls? 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: Chris and I get into all that next on this 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: edition of This League Uncut. 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 4: Welcome to this League Uncut in the world of twenty 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 4: four hour NBA news. You, Chris Haynes, It's time, work's time, 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: It's some time. This League Uncut is underway and on fire. 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 5: This should be a good one. 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: Welcome in everyone to a very newsy a jam packed 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: edition of This League Uncut. Mark Stein here with Chris Haynes, 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: taping on a Thursday afternoon. Late Wednesday night, the NBA 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: announced that it is suspending Draymond Green for five games 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: for the choke hold on Minnesota's Rudy Gobert. I think 22 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: we knew a suspension of some sort was coming, but 23 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: there was a lot of question, a lot of uncertainty 24 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: of how long the suspension would be, how severe it 25 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: would be. In the playoffs, Draymond Green only got one 26 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: game for what in soccer terms, we would call a 27 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: stamp on the chest of Domontes Sabonis. So I was 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking that it would probably be two games, 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: three games max. But the NBA clearly wanted to send 30 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: a message here and they hit Draymond Green with a 31 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: five game suspension. Chris Haynes, what were you expecting out 32 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: of the league office? 33 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 6: I'm very surprised to hear you were expecting two to 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 6: three games, as if that was severe. 35 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: I thought it would be shorter than severe. I mean, 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: five is more than I expected. 37 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 5: Hmm. 38 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 6: Well, I can't say what I expected. I thought it 39 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 6: deserved more than five games, I will say that, But 40 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 6: I'm not surprised with five games because I think since 41 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 6: Adam Silver has been the commissioner, I think we've seen 42 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 6: these suspensions be less than what we're probably used to 43 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 6: in the David Stern era. This was pretty bad. This 44 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 6: was pretty bad, and then you take into consideration Draymond's history. 45 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 6: So I'm not going to say I was surprised with 46 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 6: five games, but I thought it deserved a little bit 47 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 6: more when you think when you look look at that 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 6: altercation and what happened. Was actually working a game at 49 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 6: the time of that, and I saw fans and you know, 50 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 6: fans kind of got my attention during the game and 51 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 6: telling me, hey, you see. 52 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 5: What Draymond did. I'm like what, So, I'm I'm looking at. 53 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:17,559 Speaker 6: Fans phones and they're showing me, showing me the the altercation. 54 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 5: You know, during the game I was working. 55 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 6: So but when you saw it, s time like, how 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 6: severe did you think it was? 57 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 5: Like? Did you did you think this was a really 58 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 5: dark and bad look? 59 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: Yes, I think we're we're actually in agreement here, and 60 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: you kind of spelled it out. Throughout the Adam Silver era, 61 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: when I've expected the hammer to drop more severely, it 62 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: usually falls short of what I was expecting. So my 63 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: projection of two games or three games tops was based 64 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: on the fact that the Demonta Sabonis situation only drew 65 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: a one game suspension, but five games in the Adam 66 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: Silver era, that that is as a serious and on 67 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: court sanction as we've seen, and I don't think you're alone. 68 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have said that that 69 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: should have been longer. The league, again, like in the 70 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: Sabona situation, it did cite past actions, the exact quote 71 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: from the league office, and you know, Joe Dumars is 72 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: now in charge of meeting out these punishments, and the 73 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: quote from Joe Dumars. The length of the suspension is 74 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: based in part on Green's history of sportsmanlike acts, similar 75 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: verbiage to what we heard in the Sabonis situation. But yeah, 76 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: so I guess just the skeptic in me was thinking, 77 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: you know what, three games is probably as far as 78 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: this would go. But yeah, in real time, whatever kind 79 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: of description you want to use for how Draymond Green 80 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: had a hold of Rudy Gobert, I mean it lasted 81 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: almost ten seconds. I mean there were no punches thrown, 82 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: But that was not just a separation of scuffle. I 83 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: frankly can't remember seeing something like that. So this is 84 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: really the first time, the first time in a long time, 85 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: where the suspension ended up being a longer one that 86 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: I was forecasting. And it'll be interesting now to see 87 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: how everyone reacts to this, and you know, first and foremost, 88 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: what will Draymond Green say and how will he deliver 89 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: that message? Will Draymond take to a podcast to address this? 90 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: Will it be just a standard press conference? But my 91 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: other real takeaway here is because this happened so early 92 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: in a game. I mean, it was zero zero, the score, 93 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: the game wasn't two minutes old, and it wasn't just 94 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: early in a game, but early in a season as well. 95 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: The fact that we're still in November. But I can 96 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: remember about five years ago the Lakers playing Houston, and 97 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, all of these players are now in different place, 98 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: different teams. This was a fairly long time ago, but 99 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: it was also early in the season. This was in 100 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: October situation and Brandon Ingram then with the Lakers suspended 101 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: four games, Rejon Rondo suspended three games, Chris Paul suspended 102 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: two games, and there were punches in that incident. But 103 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: I remember thinking at the time that because that was 104 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: so early in the season, that there would be more 105 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: message sending from the league office than we saw. And 106 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: you know, again that was an example where my projections 107 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: for longer penalties it didn't pan out that way. But 108 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: in this case, you know, again one game suspension for 109 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: Draymond Green in the playoffs after stamping on Sibonis, and 110 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: that has now increased to five games for what we 111 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: just saw in this tangle with Rudy Gobert. 112 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 6: It's tein timodis. Let me see, are you buying this? 113 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 6: You know with the N Season Tournament that that's implemented 114 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 6: this season. Are you buying that there's just an extra 115 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 6: level of intensity? Do you feel you've been at a 116 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 6: few of these N Season Tournament games. I've been in 117 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 6: a few as well, but you have you seen just 118 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 6: a playoff intensity type game which might have led to 119 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 6: or contributed to Draymond being so you know, just ratcheted up, 120 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 6: which possibly got got the best of them in the 121 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 6: situation where he found himself doing Rudy Gobert like that. 122 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 6: Do you buy any of it? Do you buy that 123 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 6: players are just a little bit more amped up? 124 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: Not buying it one ounce in this case, just in 125 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: this case, I really think that there are multiple factors 126 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: of play, But to me, none of it has anything 127 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: to do with the ND season tournament. I think for starters, 128 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: the Warriors had just lost to Minnesota. This was a 129 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: two game baseball series as we call it, with the 130 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: Wolves in the Bay Area for two in a row 131 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: at Golden State, Minnesota won the first one. The Warriors 132 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: don't have Steph Curry. Curry has a knee injury and 133 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: he was ruled out for this game, So I think 134 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: part of it was the Warriors went into it looking 135 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: to be physical in hopes of derailing Minnesota and throwing 136 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: the Wolves off their game without their star player. And 137 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: there had been so much talk before that game about 138 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: how not a single Warrior this season had scored more 139 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: than twenty points in a game not named Stephan Curry. 140 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: But beyond that, to me, there is a ton of 141 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: history between Draymond Green and Rudy Gobert, and to me 142 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: that was the overriding contributor here. I mean, these guys 143 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: have been going at it on social media all the 144 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: way back to the year that Rudy Gobert didn't make 145 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: the All Star Game and took it so hard and 146 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: was so emotion and that clip went everywhere, and he 147 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: and Draymond had been going at it about that, I 148 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: mean since that time, and then last season Rudy Gobert 149 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: took shots at Draymond after the Jordan Poole incident, and 150 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: then when Rudy has had his own clash with the 151 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: teammate in the playoffs, Kyle Anderson, Draymond went back at him. 152 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: So I mean, I I really like that too. 153 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 6: It goes back farther than that I remember, and this 154 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 6: was before this is when I was covering the Warriors, 155 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 6: so this had to be two thousand hmmm. I think 156 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 6: I covered the Warriors. Twenty sixteen was my first year, 157 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 6: I believe, and somewhere along that time Rudy Gobert won a. 158 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: Defense Player twenty sixteen seventeen, twenty sixteen seventeen. Okay, my 159 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: last year at ESPN was your first, correct, that is true? 160 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: That is I think that's the reason. 161 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 5: That's a pretty sad way to kind of uh get that. 162 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, unfortunately, that that's the way I remember. Sorry, continue, 163 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: please excuse my interruption. 164 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 5: Thank you. Start. 165 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 6: I think, but I remember covering Draymond during that time, 166 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 6: Rudy Gobert had a Defense Player of the Year. 167 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 5: Might had a couple at that time. 168 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 6: I can't remember he had one for sure, but Draymond 169 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 6: was the first one to tell me back then. He 170 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 6: was like, look, if you're really the best defensive player 171 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 6: in the league that season. There never should be a 172 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 6: lineup that a team can throw out there that can 173 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 6: take you completely out of the game. If you're the 174 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 6: best defensive player, you should be able to play against 175 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 6: a small ball lineup, a big lineup like you should 176 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 6: be out there regardless. And he told me, you know, 177 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 6: at that time, he was like Rudy Gobert, there are 178 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 6: certain lineups where you can. 179 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 5: Take him out of the game and where he won't 180 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 5: he won't be effective. 181 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 6: And that was I remember, that was the first time 182 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 6: I started looking at you know, how we judge defensive 183 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 6: player years, I just start looking at it different. 184 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 5: I'm not taking anything. 185 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 6: I'm not trying to slight big man who notoriously have 186 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 6: won that award, But you know, I just started looking 187 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 6: at a little bit differently, especially in this era of 188 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 6: position as basketball. I think it's more important to be 189 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 6: a versatile defender now than what it used to be. 190 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 6: But yeah, it goes back, it goes back even further 191 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 6: than that. 192 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: You make a great point there. I think that's important 193 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: to add because that really is where rivalries and tensions 194 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: between these two started to spark up. Draymond Green has 195 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: only won one Defensive Player of the Year award, and 196 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: that is partly due to the fact that Rudy Gobert 197 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: has won multiple and they've both been chasing this coveted 198 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: trophy and we and they were off in each other's 199 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: main competition for the DPOY Trophy. So I do think 200 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: that is that is kind of where this all starts. 201 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: And you know, as you said, you know, twenty sixteen seventeen, 202 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: and if it start, if it goes back that far, 203 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean, this thing is a good five six years 204 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: in the making. 205 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 6: So Rudy actually won his first Defensive Player Year award 206 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 6: twenty eighteen, so he won it twenty eighteen and twenty 207 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 6: nineteen and twenty twenty one. So Dremond had to have 208 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 6: told me this. So if my first year of covering 209 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 6: the Wars was sixteen seventeen, so it would have been 210 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 6: at some point seventeen eighteen season or even or possibly 211 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 6: even the nineteen or nineteen twenty season. Yeah, so but yeah, 212 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 6: it goes it goes back far. And again that was 213 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 6: just you know, that's that's why, like it's always good 214 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 6: to talk to players to get their perspective on not 215 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 6: to say that they're always right, like, but but somebody, 216 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 6: I know, we're kind of going off the deep end 217 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 6: real quick. But for somebody like Drew Holliday, where steals 218 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 6: are not, he's not going to rack up a whole 219 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 6: bunch of steels and blocks not gonna rack up a 220 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 6: whole bunch of blocks. So if you're not watching them 221 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 6: on a day to day basis, you're not going to 222 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 6: identify him as being one of the top defenders because 223 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 6: stat wise, it just doesn't pop up. But if you 224 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 6: talk to some of the guards who say, hey, I 225 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 6: have to I have to call screen out every time 226 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 6: to get them off of me, you know, or you know, 227 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 6: he's the he's the toughest the guard. I mean, he's 228 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 6: the toughest player out there who defends multiple positions. So 229 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 6: it's always good to get context from from players and 230 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 6: see what they think, and then you can go over 231 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 6: and do your research and look at advanced stats to 232 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 6: try to see if that can help make a better 233 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 6: case for that player. 234 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 5: But yeah, it's always good. 235 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 6: But Dre Morge, remember when he told me that about Rudy, 236 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 6: I start looking at that award a little bit differently. 237 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: Probably a safe bet that Draymond Green and Rudy Gobert 238 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: will not be sending each other Christmas cards next month. 239 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: And also a safe bet this is not the last 240 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: time we'll be talking about this story. But five game 241 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: suspension for Draymond Green, we await now the reactions from 242 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: his side, how the Warriors handle it. And look, the Warriors, 243 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: even without this, we're having issues because of their struggles 244 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: to generate any offense beyond Stephan Curry. And now Stephan 245 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: Curry's dealing with a knee injury that the Warriors say 246 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: isn't serious and we'll only keep him out day to day. 247 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: But any day without Steph Curry is a day of 248 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: duress right now for the Golden State Warrior. So lots 249 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: going on with the Dubs in the babe, but we're 250 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: gonna move now. You know we hype this up, or 251 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: you know what, we didn't hype this up. I hyped 252 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: this up because I was so excited about knowing that 253 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: you would be off to Denver to see the Clipper. 254 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: In Denver, the Clippers showed up with an zero to 255 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: four record since acquiring James Harden. When they got to Denver, 256 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: played their best game of the season with Harden in 257 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: Denver couldn't finish it, but they took the Denver Nuggets 258 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: all the way to crunch time. And to me, that 259 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: did I mean, it did represent progress because the first 260 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: four games with Harden were so rough, and even with 261 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: the significant SI shortcomings that the Clippers have, they looked really, 262 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: really good in Denver, about as tough a place to 263 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: play as there is in the NBA. But you know, again, 264 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: I was more excited about what was going to happen 265 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: before the game, after the game, to see what kind 266 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: of things you would hear in all your conversations with 267 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: various members of the Clippers, and it did not disappoint. 268 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: You talked to Tylo, you talked to James Harden, you 269 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: talked to Paul George. Took the temperature of all the 270 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: these guys coming out of that, coming away from it, 271 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think they took something good from 272 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: this Denver game? And do you is a rebound from 273 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: this group at any It is that possible in the 274 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: near future. 275 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 6: I don't think there's any time to panic. And you know, 276 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 6: I'm just I wanted to go into the locker room. 277 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 6: I wanted to, you know, have some conversations with the guys, 278 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 6: and I believe they were pretty straightforward with me, and 279 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 6: you know, I talked to members of the front office, 280 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 6: coaching staff, I was pretty much everywhere within that organization, 281 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 6: and they they really believe that they'll be able to 282 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 6: turn this thing around. You know, they don't know if 283 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 6: it's going to be quick, but they believe in the guys. Now, 284 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 6: the problem is is that there's going to be a 285 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 6: process throughout, and the process throughout is going on right 286 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 6: now where tylu is using about five or six games 287 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 6: to evaluate lineups, evaluate rotations, seeing what works, and so 288 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 6: that that's going to be the part that's probably going 289 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 6: to hurt a little bit, depending on which players it 290 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 6: affects more. Right now, Bones Highland is going through that 291 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 6: right now, he's out of the rotation. Coach Lou met 292 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 6: with him and explained that he wants to look at 293 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 6: some other lineups and you know, they'll they'll they'll get 294 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 6: back to him after you know, after that, after the 295 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 6: evaluation period. 296 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 5: So with that being said, like they played a really 297 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 5: good game. 298 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 6: They were there and you can argue that if they 299 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 6: had an extra big they probably would have won it. 300 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 6: You know, rebound here, you know, Joker is you know, 301 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 6: they try to go small, they try to go small 302 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 6: and use that. 303 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 5: Against their advantage. 304 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 6: But on the defensive end, Joker was too much and 305 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 6: so that you know, James Harden played his best game 306 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 6: as a Clipper, and you know they had a shot 307 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 6: to win. They should have won. But I'll tell you this. 308 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 6: You know I talked about this, you know I wrote 309 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 6: about in my story. And it was second quarter, believe, 310 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 6: second quarter, midway point in the second quarter, and I'm 311 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 6: right behind the Clippers bench and I see the Clippers 312 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 6: called the timeout and Russ is in PJ. Kawhi, Leonard, 313 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 6: Paul George, one other player is in there. But James 314 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 6: Harden is told by one of the assistants to go 315 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 6: sub in for Russ. And so James goes by Russ 316 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 6: while Russ is sitting down because the players, you know, 317 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 6: when you go to a timeout, you have a seat, 318 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 6: and so James is standing up near Russ and he 319 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 6: waits a little bit and then he finally like pats 320 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 6: him on the chest, Hey, I got you. And Russ 321 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 6: was so surprised, like he was like what he was 322 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 6: so surprised, and you know, you could tell he didn't 323 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 6: like it, and he got up and you know, it 324 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 6: went about his business. But just that that's surprised, that's 325 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 6: that's not something that only that's not something only Russ 326 00:18:59,080 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 6: is dealing with. 327 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 5: Like this, This is what I'm talking about. 328 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 6: This is the hard part right now with during this 329 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 6: evaluation period, like players are being thrown out off of 330 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 6: their routine, off of their routines, off of their substitution patterns. 331 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 6: Like so this this is affecting everyone, and you know 332 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 6: Russ again, you know, I don't want to keep harping 333 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 6: on Russ, but you know, he almost didn't play in 334 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 6: the last I believe it was the last six minutes 335 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 6: of the fourth quarter and he only played a fifteen 336 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 6: second stint in the last six minutes and last six 337 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 6: minutes and that was on defense. So if you know, 338 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 6: it's you know, Bones is going through this, Russ is 339 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 6: going through this. Norman Palace going through this. It's going 340 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 6: to be tough. Ty Lu called this, you know, after 341 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 6: the game, I spoke to him, he called this his 342 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 6: toughest challenge as a head coach. And that's saying a 343 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 6: lot considering you know, they he coached the team that 344 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 6: came back from a three to one deficit, to win 345 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 6: the championship. So yeah, it's a lot going on over there. 346 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the second kind of eye catching quote from 347 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: ty Lu just in the space of a week that's 348 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: caught my attention. And yes, if you haven't already read 349 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: Chris's story, I urge you to do so. Great look 350 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: at the Clippers from postgame after Denver held on to 351 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: beat the Clips on Tuesday night on TNT. And you 352 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: know we talked about this in our last pod when 353 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: the Clippers were in Dallas, Tylu came out and said, 354 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: We're just not big enough. Now the Clippers have tried 355 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: to address that they are expected to sign Daniel Tice, 356 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: who once Daniel Tye clears Waivers. Tye reached a buyout 357 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: with the Pacers this week, and I gotta say that 358 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: is that is going to be a good pick up 359 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: in this situation. 360 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 5: Excellent. 361 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: With the Clippers having lost Mason plum Lamban, this is 362 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: about as good an addition as you can make in 363 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: the Clipper situation with you know, no trade assets really left, 364 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: go out and make moves to get a good big 365 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: man who Daniel Tice just wasn't playing in Indiana, which 366 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, so the Pacers appear to have just basically 367 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: done him a solid by buying him out. But Daniel 368 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: Tye was a member of the German team that stunningly 369 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: won the Feeble World Cup in September and is a 370 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: more than serviceable big man, so we'll see what kind 371 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: of impact he can make. So that would give the 372 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: Clippers an infusion of size, assuming nobody claims Tyson waivers 373 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: and the Clippers can go ahead and sign him by 374 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 1: weeks in. But beyond that, you know, Tylu five games 375 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: into this thing, calling it my toughest challenge as a 376 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: head coach, because yeah, I mean you said it. I 377 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: mean it does you know, having Harden and Russ and 378 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: Kawhi and Paul George out there together. The early evidence 379 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: suggests it doesn't work, and there have been so many 380 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: calls this week for Harden to be the one to 381 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: go to the bench and be the sixth man until 382 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: this team starts playing better, since this team did look 383 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: a lot better before this trade, and Russ was off 384 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: to a good start the season, and the Clippers look 385 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: to have started in pretty reasonable fashion, So I can't 386 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: wait to see how Tylu tackles this stuff. 387 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 3: Tyl Lou's presence there. 388 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: To me, that was one of the reasons when you're 389 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: making your list of pros and cons on whether to 390 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: make this trade, that's one of the boxes you check 391 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: as the pros because Tyleru is such a respected coach, 392 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,239 Speaker 1: one of the league's best coaches, and a guy who 393 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: is known to have the respect of his players. So 394 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: if he's already talking about what a challenge this is 395 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: five games in, I mean that tells you right there, how. 396 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 2: That sums up the state of the Clippers pretty loudly. 397 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 6: And let me add this, sNaN talking with the front 398 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 6: office and the coaching staff about James Harden. They and 399 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 6: I was surprised to hear this a little bit. They 400 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 6: want him to be him. When they were thinking about 401 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 6: bringing him on, I felt like, damn, okay, like do 402 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 6: they need Like I feel like, do they need James 403 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 6: Harden right now? With Russ being there? And you know, 404 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 6: that's one thing I question, like, do they do they 405 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 6: need him at his. 406 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 5: Skill set right now? 407 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 6: And then you listen to them talk people in the 408 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 6: Clippers organization and they tell you like, we need his passing, 409 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 6: we need his passing, we need this play making ability. 410 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 6: And I just found that, like really really interesting to 411 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 6: hear that, and that's what they want, and so we 412 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 6: And I'm saying this then, because you're saying like there 413 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 6: are people are saying like, why doesn't James come off 414 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 6: the bench, So until they can figure things out. The 415 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 6: way that they're talking, the way they're boasting James up 416 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 6: and the way that they're saying, and the way that 417 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 6: they're saying which he can help him help them by 418 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 6: being himself, leads me to believe they're going all in 419 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 6: on James, and it's gonna take other guys to sacrifice, 420 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 6: and it's gonna take other guys' roles to. 421 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 5: Be diminished in order for that to happen. 422 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 6: So that's why I'm saying, like, this process that we're 423 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 6: in right now is going to hurt some players. I 424 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 6: don't know who is going to affect. I have an 425 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 6: idea who is going to affect. But you know, as 426 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 6: of right now, from everything that I'm hearing, they want 427 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 6: James Harden to be that guy. Now I'm not saying 428 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 6: a number one option, but they want him to be 429 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 6: that guy that's doing the majority of the playmaking and 430 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 6: also looking for his shot as well. 431 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: And I think the other thing they're gonna need. 432 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: They're gonna need more from Kawhi Leonard late in the 433 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: regular season and early in the playoffs, until he had 434 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: to go to the sideline. He looked monstrous again, like 435 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: a real problem. The Kawhi We remember when he was 436 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: leading Toronto to a championship, and I don't know that 437 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: we've seen much of that Kawhi Leonard this season. To me, 438 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say that I've sat here and 439 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: I've watched every second of the Clippers season. But Paul 440 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: George is playing the best out of the group right now. 441 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: I think that's not too much of a stretch to assert. 442 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 6: So Kawhi hasn't He hasn't sat out a game thus 443 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 6: far this year. You wonder if if that might have 444 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 6: have something to do with it. 445 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: The way they've constructed this team, they need all four 446 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: of those guys to to really be effective. That's how 447 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: they're going to cope with the size they don't have 448 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: and other structural issues that are found on the roster. 449 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 5: I think they'll figure it out. I really do. 450 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 6: Even going back to the last game against the Nuggets, 451 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 6: it was a play dialed up. 452 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 5: I can't remember who was drawed up for. 453 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 6: But it was a shot that Paul George took and 454 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 6: it got a you know, it got wezed in between 455 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 6: the rim and the backboard. But before that shot, James 456 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 6: Harden was got free along the baseline, and I believe 457 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 6: the next closest defender was the Joker and Paul didn't 458 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 6: see them, and so there was there was an opportunity 459 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 6: for that game to be had by the Clippers. And 460 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 6: I think they're going to figure it out now, you know, 461 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 6: I don't know what figured it out means. I think, 462 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 6: you know, they're not this team that we're seeing oh 463 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 6: and six right now and oh and five with Harden 464 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 6: on board. So I think they'll be I think they'll 465 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 6: be cool. I think they'll be cool. 466 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: Friday Night, the Clippers play host to the surprising Houston Rockets, 467 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: and then the Clips come. 468 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: Back to Texas. 469 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: They've got a two game baseball series of their own 470 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: in San Antonio, two games against Victor winban Yama and 471 00:26:47,720 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: the Spurs. The Clippers, like Draymond Green, this will not 472 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: be the last time that they are a featured discussion 473 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: point of this league uncut, but we will come back 474 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: to them in a later pod. 475 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 3: Let's move on to the other newsy topic of the week. 476 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: A lot of chatter in Chicago about the Bulls, about 477 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: zach Levine. That the Bulls appear to be inching closer 478 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: now to the teardown that has been called for by 479 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: external observers, even louder than the calls for James Harden 480 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: or Russell Westbrook to move to the bench in Clipperland. 481 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that you would want to classify a 482 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: trade as imminent because zach Levine is only in year 483 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: two of a five year deal worth two hundred and 484 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: fifteen million. Not an easy contract to trade. But the 485 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: Bulls are off to a very underwhelming start, and their 486 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: players came into the season knowing that the only way 487 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: trade speculation was going to be hushed was by winning. 488 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: Zach Lavine himself scored fifty one points at Detroit early 489 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: in the season. The Bulls lost that game, and that night, 490 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: zach Lavine told reporters in the locker room quote from 491 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: day one, I've said it's time to put pen to paper. 492 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: It's our third year here together. We know how this 493 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: business is. We all love each other. Damar is one 494 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: of my best friends. We talk all the time, But 495 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: we have to figure out how to make this thing work. 496 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: We've been here for long enough. Shoot, Vuch has been traded. 497 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: I've been traded, Damar has been traded. We understand the business, 498 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: Zach Lavine. They're referring both to Damar, DeRozan, Nikolavucevich. All 499 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: of these guys have been all stars and are we 500 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: going to see some trade action in Chicago? 501 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 6: Go. 502 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: I think it's easier said than done, And I think 503 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: the truth is that Alex Caruso is the bull that 504 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: most teams would want. Chris Haynes, you threw out that. 505 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: You threw out Alex Caruso's name, and our last pot 506 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: about how how much the Bucks would love to have him. 507 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: And let's face it, if the Bulls decided to make 508 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: Alex Caruso available, the line of teams chasing him would 509 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: stretch into double digits. 510 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 5: Now, you're definitely right about that. 511 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 6: Both sides, I guess the best way to describe is 512 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 6: both sides are flirting with the idea of of. 513 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 5: Going in a different direction. 514 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 6: And I think if they really are considering moving Levine, 515 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 6: then you have to go and do the whole thing. 516 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 5: It's not just going to be Levin. 517 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 6: You gotta go down the list, you gotta go to 518 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 6: Rosen Alix Caruso. But you know, it's just a matter 519 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 6: of when is the right time, So say right now? 520 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 6: So Chicago there are four and eight right now, which 521 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 6: is a bad record, but that is only two games back, 522 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 6: two and a half games back of the A seed 523 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 6: right now, so it's not you know, they can go 524 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 6: on a pretty sizable winning streak and be right in 525 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 6: the in the playoff picture. So you know, I think 526 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 6: timing is important. And then it's about the direction, like 527 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 6: what do they foresee, Like what is a good season 528 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 6: for Chicago? And I don't think anybody thinks that they're 529 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 6: a championship contended team. I don't think anybody thinks that 530 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 6: they're a top four team in the Eastern Conference. So 531 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 6: what would be considered success? And if you identify that, 532 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 6: can you safely say that their out of reach of 533 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 6: reaching that marker? 534 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 5: I don't know. So, you know, like I said, timing 535 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 5: is important. 536 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 6: I don't know that they're too far out to be 537 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 6: making those decisions right now. But ultimately, if the players 538 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 6: and their agents want to press the issue, and they're 539 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 6: adamant that they want out. Then I think that's when 540 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 6: you really got to got to really start looking. 541 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: Well, you've got Zach Levine again, year two of a 542 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: five year, two hundred and fifteen million dollar contract. The Sixers, 543 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: the Lakers, the Heat have all been thrown out as 544 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: potential trade partners. The sense I get is that the 545 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: Sixers really shouldn't be on that list. Darryl Morey has 546 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: been very clear that the Sixers want a two way 547 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: player in their next big move, and Zach Levine, even 548 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: when you account for his offensive ceiling, is not going 549 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: to be classified as a two way player. So I 550 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: really don't think Philly is in the mix here. The 551 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: Lakers and the Heat, they get thrown into every trade scenario. 552 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: So do we have confirmed interest from either of those teams? 553 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: At this point, I would say no, we don't have 554 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: confirmed interest from either of those teams. DeMar DeRozan situation 555 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: is completely different because he's in the expiring year of 556 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: his current contract. There have been talks on a contract extension, 557 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: but there is no contract extension. But with DeMar Derozen 558 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: so close to free agency that you know, what would 559 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: a trade even look like With DeRozan in the last 560 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: year of his current deal. I think Vucevic on the 561 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: three year, sixty million dollar extension that he signed in 562 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: the offseason, I think vouch, like Caruso, you would classify 563 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: that as a very tradeable contract, so they could easily 564 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: turn around and trade Vucevich months after signing him. I 565 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: do think that is more feasible. But you know, you're 566 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: probably right. I mean, they're going to decide first and 567 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: foremost what they're doing with Levine or Derozen before they 568 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: move on to the rest of the roster. And you know, 569 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: we just don't have those answers yet because I mean 570 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: mid November we saw James Harden trade this, you know, 571 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: right at But you know this is this is typically 572 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: not the time that trade talks get super serious league wide. 573 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it tends to wait until at least December fifteenth, 574 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: when the majority of free agents who signed contracts are 575 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: now eligible to be traded. So I mean, I think 576 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: we're still, you know, a month away from what you 577 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: would call trade season. Trade season to me is December 578 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: fifteenth till the deadline, which this year lands on February eighth. 579 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: But let's see, of course, if we're talking bulls and 580 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: we're talking Central Division. I can't resist checking. 581 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: In with you. You know what I'm gonna ask you. 582 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: I gotta ask you for the latest with the Milwaukee Bucks. 583 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: Your future city, Milwaukee, your future city of residence. So 584 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: give us, give us the latest with what's going on 585 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee. 586 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 6: Well, you see, they got a pretty pretty good win 587 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 6: in Toronto. They pretty much had them blown out throughout 588 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 6: most of that game. Damian that they were out Yiannis 589 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 6: to Kompo. He set out that game to rest his injury, 590 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 6: and uh, Damian little went off. He absolutely went off. 591 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 6: And this was the first time that he was able 592 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 6: to get off early in that first quarter. And I 593 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,479 Speaker 6: don't know, if you know, I think people would real 594 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 6: Bucks fans would see the change that was made. But 595 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 6: you know, there's usually a Dame substitution pattern, like he go. 596 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 6: Dame would usually come out around the I want to say, 597 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 6: the four minute mark of the first quarter, and he 598 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 6: would sit and he wouldn't come back in until I 599 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 6: think like eight or seven minutes left in the second quarter. 600 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 6: So he's sitting about nine minutes of game, you know, 601 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 6: of game time, and you know, in covering Dame, knowing 602 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 6: where he's comfortable at in Portland, Dame would play the 603 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 6: entire first quarter, which allowed him time to get everyone 604 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 6: else in involve and then he can like pick his 605 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 6: spots to go and attack. And so he would play 606 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 6: the whole first quarter, then start the second quarter sitting 607 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 6: and probably come in halfway in the second quarter. And 608 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 6: so with the substitution pattern that they had before, he 609 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 6: always got off the slow starts. And you know, because 610 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 6: you got to feed the beach, you gotta feed Giannis, 611 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 6: you got to get everybody involved, and there just wasn't 612 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 6: enough time for him to seek out his shot. Now, 613 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 6: there's definitely no defense for him efficient wise, he hasn't 614 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 6: been there, so there's no excuse for that. But you 615 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 6: still got to make a player as comfortable as possible. 616 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 6: So I like Adrian Griffin making that adjustment. He had 617 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 6: Dame play primarily all the first quarter, which I think 618 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 6: Dame had fourteen points in the first quarter. I believe 619 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 6: that's the most he's had as a Buck in that 620 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 6: first quarter, and that was the most point scored by 621 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 6: the Bucks in the first quarter this season. 622 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 5: And you just saw he had. 623 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 6: A great game thirty seven points, thirteen or fourteen assists. 624 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 6: He didn't even play in the fourth quarter and so 625 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 6: he was dominating and so that the problem is that 626 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 6: still persists. Is Okay, Now we got to get Giannis 627 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 6: and Dame doing that at the same time, and. 628 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 5: That's been that's been the problem. That's been the dynamic 629 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 5: right there. 630 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 6: Now a lot of their minutes are staggered, so they 631 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 6: don't play a ton together. You understand that, but they're 632 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 6: going to have to start finding ways to be able 633 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 6: to capitalize off of one another while both are in 634 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 6: a game simultaneously. So it's still a process, but you know, 635 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 6: there's little changes. You gotta get Griff credit man like 636 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 6: he has. He's listening to his players, he's he's taking 637 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 6: some advice and he goes in there and he's not 638 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 6: afraid to make changes. And so I like that about 639 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 6: Griff And I think with this new substitution pattern with Dame, 640 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 6: I think that's really going to help him moving forward. 641 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the shooting I mean that, I mean there 642 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: was no way that was going to last. I think 643 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: when I did my my Tuesday sub stack that at 644 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: that point through his first eight games, Dame was only 645 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: shooting thirty seven percent from the field and twenty seven 646 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: percent from three It's just that that could not continue. 647 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 6: Also, Stein, we gotta show we gotta show some love 648 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 6: to Philly. Got to show some love Philly man. What 649 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 6: they've been doing with Tyrese Maxi's stepping up to the 650 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 6: plate and looking like he's going to have him an 651 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 6: All Star season. You know, they got taken down by 652 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 6: the Boston Celtics last but Philly is playing some really 653 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 6: impressive ball. Do you hear Joe, Joel and Bid talking 654 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 6: about there's no egos in that locker room and everybody's playing. 655 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 6: And I just feel good for Philly because they've always 656 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 6: had to deal with something. There was always a player 657 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 6: matter that was going on, and it kind of just 658 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 6: hovered around the team where different players on the team 659 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 6: had to continue to talk about whatever was going on. 660 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 6: Whatever it's Ben Simmons, James Harden, you know, Tyrese Maxey 661 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 6: at one point said, I'm just used to this, like 662 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 6: this is what I came into the league like this, 663 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 6: like with dealing with these matters. So I'm glad for 664 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 6: them that they actually get to play basketball. That's behind them, 665 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 6: and they still got you know, with the James Harden trade, 666 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 6: they still got some assets to acquire another proven talent. 667 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 6: So you know, it's a good situation to be in. 668 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 6: And you know, I'm happy for the for the Sixers organization, 669 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 6: they kind of get to. 670 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 5: Go ahead and move forward. 671 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 6: But uh more more, I'm more happy, more happy for 672 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 6: Joel and Bee because he's been a soldier throughout whatever 673 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 6: has gone on. And you know, it looks like this 674 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 6: is legit. It definitely looks like this legit. 675 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: All this Philly talk Philly on your mind? Is that 676 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,439 Speaker 1: your next stop? Is that where you're going next week? 677 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: Are you allowed to do? Are you allowed to divulge 678 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: your next assignment? 679 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 5: No? 680 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 6: I wish it was Philly. I do want to cover 681 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 6: of Philly game, but it's not. My next assignment is. 682 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 5: Mice. Huh. 683 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 6: Bittersweet because I enjoy actually getting out and hitting the road, 684 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 6: getting away a little bit, especially when things tie. You're married, 685 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 6: you understand, you know, sometimes it's very therapeutic to get 686 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 6: out the house. 687 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: For ties and losses, ties and losses. 688 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 5: And so. 689 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 6: My next assignment is Golden State at Sacramento, which is 690 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 6: where I live. 691 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 2: So no hotel and no dream. 692 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 6: Hotel, no hotel, no Draymond well actually no. So the 693 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 6: next assignment I don't have one. 694 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 5: Next week. I don't have one. 695 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,919 Speaker 6: The week of Thanksgiving I have but the week after 696 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 6: on the twenty eighth, on a Tuesday, So I think 697 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 6: Draymond will be back by then. 698 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 5: By the twenty eight. 699 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: All right, well, I am trying to get myself to Lakerland. 700 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if I will be successful, but that's 701 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: my project, so we'll see if I pull that off. 702 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: And on that note, we're going to give the last 703 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: word to Paul George, another Angelino the Clippers, Paul George, 704 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,439 Speaker 1: because when we were talking about the Clippers, I meant 705 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: to highlight this quote in your story and I've failed to, 706 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: so I'm going to do it now. 707 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 2: Quote. 708 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: We're all honoring this adjustment we have to sacrifice. We 709 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: understand it, simple as that. No one is going against that, 710 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 1: nobody is frustrated about it. We know what we have. 711 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: There is one ball and there is four mfors, and 712 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: we understand that and embrace it. We want to make 713 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: each other better. And I don't think one person is 714 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: complaining one bit about it. 715 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 5: I think. 716 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 6: From what I've gathered star people have talked to they 717 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 6: share that sentiment. So now it's about doing the hard 718 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 6: part and making it all work. 719 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 2: That's not really why I read that quote. 720 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: I read that quote because I thought you were gonna 721 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: go say it, say the word, say. 722 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 2: The whole word. 723 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 5: I was, I was, I was, But I think I 724 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 5: get that out of you. I think I'll get that 725 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 5: word out of you. I thought about it. I'm like 726 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 5: Na Stuin. 727 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,760 Speaker 6: But you know what I'm gonna tell you right now, Stein, 728 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 6: He did not say in effors, So can you please. 729 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 2: I'm read I'm reading what he said. 730 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm reading the quote in the story, and I see 731 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: you only you only deleted two letters from this quote, 732 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: so I know what he said to get the whole quote. 733 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 6: You're gonna I didn't delete anything when I send my 734 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 6: When I send my stories in, I send them in unedited. 735 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 5: So if they cuss, I send the cuss word. I let. 736 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 5: I let my editors. 737 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: So you gotta have you gotta have tip your editor. 738 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: He only took out two letters. That's I've never seen 739 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: that before. I mean hours, almost the whole word is 740 00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: in here. So you should be happy. 741 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 6: You know, you know how society is. We allow things 742 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 6: to go on as time goes. Think about PG. Thirteen 743 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 6: movies back in the day, Stein, like PG thirteen, that's 744 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 6: what thirteen and over? Or is that thirteen and under? 745 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 6: Thirteen and under thirteen under? 746 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 2: There was no cussing, is it now? 747 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 3: Now? 748 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. No, PG thirteen. You gotta be thirteen 749 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: to go. 750 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 2: You gotta be. 751 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 5: Thirteen to go. Okay, So what's what's what's below that? Like? 752 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,240 Speaker 5: What's below that? I think just G just G okay, 753 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 5: g G. 754 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 6: Before that Stein, in our day coming up G, there 755 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 6: was no cussing wholesome movies. G. 756 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 5: Nowadays you got people saying, ah, yes, Stein, Yes, it's changed. 757 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 5: It's changed. 758 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 3: Like I go to like one movie a year, so 759 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,240 Speaker 3: I know nothing. 760 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 5: There's only a few cuss words. 761 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 6: Like think about think about what players and coaches are 762 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 6: allowed to say. 763 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 5: Now. 764 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 6: Remember they was talking about get more stricter on players 765 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 6: cussing on TV or whatever. 766 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 5: Like player's been cussing period. 767 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 768 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 5: I don't care. 769 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is like it takes a certain 770 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 6: cuss word to get the attention. 771 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,959 Speaker 5: You know, some cuss words aren't cuss words anymore. Shit 772 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 5: is not a cuss word anymore. 773 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: Well, I just threw that quote out to get you going, 774 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: and I succeeded, so. 775 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 5: Yo you did. I'm just telling you that society we've changed. 776 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 6: Like say, I don't want to bring up different scenariosuse I. 777 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 6: I don't want to seem like I'm dry stittion. But 778 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 6: there's just certain cuss words. Certain cuss words aren't cuss 779 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 6: words anymore. I think the only one you really can't 780 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 6: say is probably f's. 781 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 5: That's probably the only one you probably can't say. Anything else. 782 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 6: You can get away with it in certain contexts and 783 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,040 Speaker 6: certain you know, depending on how you use it. 784 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: So theoretic, theoretically, on this podcast, I think we can 785 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,959 Speaker 1: say pretty much anything, but. 786 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 5: We can say whatever we want. 787 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 2: I'm still I'm. 788 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: Still old school, so it's hard hard for me to 789 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: hard for me to get that out of my system. 790 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 5: Uh Stein, I'm waiting on. 791 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,479 Speaker 6: We're going to get stephen A on, and I'm gonna 792 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,360 Speaker 6: tell stephen A when he comes on, we're talking about 793 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 6: something other than sports, and I want I want to 794 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 6: see I want to look at your face. I know 795 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 6: that I know the audience don't get to look at 796 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 6: your face, but I want to look at your face squirm, 797 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 6: I want to look I just want to see it. Well, 798 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 6: we're talking about, We're talking about Kim kardash you know, 799 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 6: we're talking about We're gonna we're gonna talk about somethings. 800 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 2: Maybe I have a lot to contribute. Who knows a 801 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:42,320 Speaker 2: lot of it. 802 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,720 Speaker 3: Maybe I have a lot of opinions. 803 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 5: And that's what I want to see. I want to 804 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 5: see it here, Kate Wayne. 805 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: All right, Well that's a down the road edition of 806 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 1: This League Uncut. That does it for this edition of 807 00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: This League Uncut. Please friends, remember rate, review and subscribe 808 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: to the show if you haven't already, do it at 809 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: Apple Pods or Spotify wherever, hashtag. 810 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 2: Wherever you get your pods. 811 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 1: And Chris and I will be back soon, back with 812 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,959 Speaker 1: more NBA talk right here on This League. 813 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 4: And that'll do it for us. See you next time. 814 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,760 Speaker 4: This League un cutter is and iHeartRadio production a lockup 815 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 4: Chris Hanes and Mark Stein