WEBVTT - Political Cults, Part 1 Ft. Andrew: Spooky Week #4

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<v Speaker 1>All the media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to it could happen here. I'm Andrew of the

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel Andrewism and I'm here.

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<v Speaker 3>With Garrison Davis is also here. Hello, Welcome, Welcome. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to think about recently?

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<v Speaker 2>Cults?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, one of one of my favorite topics culture, culture, fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean the term cult is in some

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<v Speaker 2>ways just another pejorative for, you know, a group that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't like. Sure, you know, culture personality. Could we

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<v Speaker 2>use to describe a very passionate fan base. We use

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<v Speaker 2>cult classic to talk about, you know, really well known

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<v Speaker 2>and renowned pieces of media. You know, cults could also

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<v Speaker 2>actually ReFood high control groups that ruin people's lives, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's something to consider. Yes, I know that there's

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<v Speaker 2>some debate within sociology but or should we use it,

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<v Speaker 2>should we not use it? But I don't think the

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<v Speaker 2>occasional misapplications of the term should distract us from the

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<v Speaker 2>very real cults that have existed or do exist out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Cults not just in the context of religion, but also

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<v Speaker 2>in the context of politics.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, there's a I can I can think of many

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<v Speaker 3>many a political cult that rears it ZI whenever there's

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<v Speaker 3>a Popular Uprising.

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<v Speaker 2>And plent recently recently picked up on the Edge Political

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<v Speaker 2>Cults Left and Right by Dennis Turisch and Tim Wilford.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I was going through it and going through

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<v Speaker 2>all the different examples and stuff, it really gave me

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<v Speaker 2>a clearer sense of how political cults operate. And so

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<v Speaker 2>today I'd like to take some time to discuss nature

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<v Speaker 2>of photical cults, and perhaps in future episodes we can

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<v Speaker 2>dive into some specific examples and case studies, of which

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<v Speaker 2>there are several, and many of them seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>of the Trotskyist variety.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask my commander in chief, Bob, Actually, if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm allowed to talk about this before I continue continue

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<v Speaker 3>this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Visionists, revisionists everywhere?

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<v Speaker 3>No continue please?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, first, I guess we need to understand what

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<v Speaker 2>cults are in general. Typically, culture defined as a relatively

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<v Speaker 2>small group which is typically led by a charismatic and

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<v Speaker 2>self appointed leader who excessively controls its members, requiring unwavering

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<v Speaker 2>devotion to a set of religious, spiritual, philosophical beliefs and practices,

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<v Speaker 2>or a particular person, object or goal which is considered

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<v Speaker 2>outside the norms of society. The American Family Foundation find

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<v Speaker 2>cults as a group of a group or movement exhibiting

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<v Speaker 2>great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea,

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<v Speaker 2>or thing, and employing unethical, manipulative, or cohesive techniques of

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<v Speaker 2>persuasion and control, for example, isolation from former friends and family, debilitation,

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<v Speaker 2>use of special methods to heighten suggestibility in subservience, powerful

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<v Speaker 2>group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgment,

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<v Speaker 2>promotion of total dependence in the group, and fear of

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<v Speaker 2>leaving it designed to advance the goal to the group's leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, of

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<v Speaker 2>the community. We can also define cults as organizations that

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<v Speaker 2>remold individuality to conform to the codes and needs of

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<v Speaker 2>the cult, institute taboos that preclude doubt and criticism, and

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<v Speaker 2>generate an elitist mentality, whereby members see themselves as loan

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<v Speaker 2>evangelists struggling to bring enlightenment to the hostile forces surrounding them.

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<v Speaker 2>There is only one truth, and that is the truth

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<v Speaker 2>espoused by the cult. Competing explanations are not merely inaccurate,

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<v Speaker 2>but degenerate cults don't have opponents, They have enemies and

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<v Speaker 2>frequently dream about their ultimate destruction. Now, cults are usually

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<v Speaker 2>associated with religion, particularly of the New Age Who and

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<v Speaker 2>self help variety. Sometimes it even gets into the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of multi level marketing schemes of business trainer or.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly, the lines between MLMs, primitive schemes and

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<v Speaker 2>cultures quite blaard disappoint essential oils all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's very fluid, dynamic because no it in practice,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of those if they are not cults themselves,

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<v Speaker 3>they do pick up a lot of like cult ish tactics, behavior,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of loads of modes of interaction.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, could apply. That's a lot of businesses these days.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've seen more than a handful of medium

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<v Speaker 2>articles like this is why you should run your business

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<v Speaker 2>like a cult. Here seven cult tactics that you could

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<v Speaker 2>apply to your business to generate more productivity. Kind of

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<v Speaker 2>classic LinkedIn style stuff. Yeah. So in two thousand, which

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<v Speaker 2>is when the book Political Cults Left and Right was published,

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<v Speaker 2>it's cited that as many as four million Americans may

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<v Speaker 2>have been involved with cult groups, and they were around

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred cults active in Britain at the time, and

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<v Speaker 2>between three and five thousand in the United States, And honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>that can be an understatement.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially nowadays, even just with like how the Internet has

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<v Speaker 3>changed social interactions. Yeah, Like, it's a lot of aspects

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<v Speaker 3>of American culture have either been or always have been

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<v Speaker 3>kind of cultified. Whether that includes stuff like the Marvel

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<v Speaker 3>or Star Wars, Van Base or sports teams or your

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<v Speaker 3>little church who has this one pastor for like fifty years,

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<v Speaker 3>who controls what everyone wears and what everyone's allowed to say,

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<v Speaker 3>what everything one's allowed to watch, and who they're allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to vote for. Right, Like, it's a lot of aspects

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<v Speaker 3>that have been kind of now sucked into kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like the what like the modern nuclear family kind of

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<v Speaker 3>looks like a lot of the dynamics that make that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of churns that machine have a lot a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of cult aspects.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, definitely, I don't. Honestly, that's where like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sociologists would contend with the tomb, right because honestly, there

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<v Speaker 2>are some definitions of a cult that literally would just

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<v Speaker 2>apply to pretty much any religious group. Sure, And what

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<v Speaker 2>have your thoughts on that? You know, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>clear that although religious groups do have their issues, we're

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<v Speaker 2>speaking about a very specific and concentrated approach to that

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<v Speaker 2>type of organization. I mean, cults could be as small

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<v Speaker 2>as two people, right where one person is controlling the

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<v Speaker 2>other through claiming a position of privilege in sight. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of cults start with just two people the

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<v Speaker 2>leader and they face acolyte, you know. And larger cults

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<v Speaker 2>can also have smaller subcults within them, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>certain members branch out and pursue their own little fiefdoms.

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<v Speaker 2>Cults weaponize people's emotions to bring them into the fold.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you don't rationalize your way into the cults,

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<v Speaker 2>the people that Heaven's gates with like, huh, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that that really makes sense. I should probably investigate that.

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<v Speaker 2>According to all these studies and calculations, it really really

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<v Speaker 2>all lines up, you know. And similarly, most don't even

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<v Speaker 2>rationalize their way out of a cult. Cult recruitment and

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<v Speaker 2>cult dissolusion are mostly involving constantly shifting emotional states, which

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<v Speaker 2>helps the leader loss of subtlety and nu ones and

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<v Speaker 2>one's thoughts and feelings. And on top of that, cults

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<v Speaker 2>are very good at making members feel special. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>These minor insights are presented as profound revolutions. Commonly held

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<v Speaker 2>ideas are claimed as exclusive to the cult, boosting members'

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<v Speaker 2>sense of intellectual superiority. Where apocalypse is concerned, cults operate

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<v Speaker 2>under the assumption that they are the only ones who

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<v Speaker 2>can affert imminent catastrophe, fostering a belief in their infallibility,

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<v Speaker 2>and then members are isolated from their pre cult self

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<v Speaker 2>and life as their old beliefs are discarded and they're

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<v Speaker 2>consumed by cult activities, embracing a new sense of self

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<v Speaker 2>and riding high and the illusions and promises of a

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<v Speaker 2>glorious future with often destructive and violent means needed to

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<v Speaker 2>reach that goal. That description apply to both religious cults

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<v Speaker 2>and political cults.

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<v Speaker 3>And political cults. No, I was definitely viewing that through

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<v Speaker 3>even a more so political lens, just because that's, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of what we cover on the show. Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 3>like that can even that can even also I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it can obviously describe, like we've kind of been alluding

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<v Speaker 3>to these big like communist kind of cult groups that

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<v Speaker 3>operate particularly in North America. But honestly, that description can

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<v Speaker 3>also like be applied to just like a really shitty

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<v Speaker 3>like anarchist affinity group that's kind of being led by

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<v Speaker 3>one asshole. Like, it's certainly like this. It certainly applies beyond,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the very you know, like political systems that

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<v Speaker 3>are more inherently authoritarian versus once that aren't. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you look at like the Libertarian Party of the

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<v Speaker 3>United States, right, and all of their little local chapters, right,

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<v Speaker 3>they claimed to be anti authoritarian, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of their internal politics are very authoritarian. But

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<v Speaker 3>also like the specific local chapters, whenever they get new

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<v Speaker 3>people in and they kind of have someone new take

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<v Speaker 3>take charge of their chapter, it does have a little

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<v Speaker 3>kind of cult dynamic running. And I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 3>restricted just to those on the right of the political spectrum.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's definitely aspects where you even see this

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<v Speaker 3>in like anarchist kind of compositions in at least at

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<v Speaker 3>least to the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And in my observation, yeah, definitely, I think people here

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<v Speaker 2>cults and they immediately think like the destructive cults of

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<v Speaker 2>people of like the People's Temple of Jim Jones, right, Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean those numbers through deliberate action abused, physically injured,

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<v Speaker 2>or killed other members of their own group and other people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and then then of course they doomsday cults

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<v Speaker 2>people think about like Having's skates who believe in some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of apocalypticism or millenarianism. But I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about political cults, right, and not just political cults on

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<v Speaker 2>the left, even though that's a very easy target to

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<v Speaker 2>go after, because you know, we are involved in these spaces.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know there are a lot of right wing

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<v Speaker 2>political culture as well. You know that we'll get we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get their due attention in due time. In fact, the

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<v Speaker 2>first political culture I do want to talk about in

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<v Speaker 2>another episode is a cult that really ran the gamut

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<v Speaker 2>from left to right. The leader of that cult the

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<v Speaker 2>last name rhymes with La Poach. But you know we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to that in De.

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<v Speaker 3>Tex Okay, all right, all right, all right, I will,

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<v Speaker 3>I will, I will wait for the for the reveal.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know who else really loves cults?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's that?

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<v Speaker 3>The products and surfaces that pay both my bills and

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<v Speaker 3>some of your bills. So here is a perfect a

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<v Speaker 3>perfect space for an ad break. Thanks Chevron, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>advertising pushing pushing forward the great American tradition of cultish

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<v Speaker 3>behavior in the economic system, we are back have you

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<v Speaker 3>ever read the book Cultish?

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<v Speaker 2>So I classify my engagement with literature in two broad comps.

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<v Speaker 2>Books I've read in books I've skimmed. That's a book

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<v Speaker 2>I've skimmed.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, all right, it's it is it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It is definitely a fine book to skim. No, it's

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<v Speaker 3>definitely a good a good kind of a good, central

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<v Speaker 3>central piece of literature. Kind of on on this topic,

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<v Speaker 3>especially as it relates to, you know, getting out of

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<v Speaker 3>just like Heaven's Gate or scientology. Know that there's very like,

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<v Speaker 3>very obvious cults as starting to like look at the

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<v Speaker 3>general cultishness of like this entire continent and specifically the

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<v Speaker 3>United States. It's definitely a fun read if anyone is

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<v Speaker 3>interested in the topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think it particularly focuses on cult language, right,

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<v Speaker 2>how the language of cultures used to manipulate people. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So political cults, right, I mean, in a world where

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<v Speaker 2>established politics has failed us again and again, many have

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<v Speaker 2>to into radical politics right and left. I mean, as

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<v Speaker 2>someone who doesn't really consider myself left, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>like relate to it in some way, you know, typical anarchist.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm on the same I'm in the same boat

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<v Speaker 3>as you there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't see radicalization towards left as necessarily a

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<v Speaker 2>bad thing. I mean, there a lot of rabbit holes

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<v Speaker 2>and pitfalls I think people fall into when they start

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<v Speaker 2>progressing in that tratructory. But you know, people's frustrations with

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<v Speaker 2>this feeling system are real, and it's that they seeking

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<v Speaker 2>radical alternatives. Some of those alternatives are terrible and should

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<v Speaker 2>be called out, but the premise of needing revolutionary system

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<v Speaker 2>change is not terrible, which is where I disagree with

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<v Speaker 2>the books kind of Centrist Bent, because it puts forward

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that revolution is like this dramatic thing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like how why would you reproposing that? Unless you were

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<v Speaker 2>called kind of vibe. It also ends up drawing some

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<v Speaker 2>equivalences between the radical left and the radical right. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>although I will say as well, the book is primarily

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<v Speaker 2>discussed in Marxist Leninists when it talks about political cults

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<v Speaker 2>on the far left, and as we'll see the way

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<v Speaker 2>that Marxis Leninists structure things, it is somewhat conducive to

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<v Speaker 2>that particular formation. Not to slander all Marxist Leninists, but

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<v Speaker 2>the ideology is, you know, in some ways compatible in

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<v Speaker 2>many ways campatal with cult organization. Yeah, and I do

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<v Speaker 2>agree with the book's criticisms of the way that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of our sis learninists specifically organize their movements and organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>But yet preamble side, the book defines political cults as

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<v Speaker 2>environments where individuals are encouraged to envision of future society

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<v Speaker 2>under their control. These members are often praised as visionary leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>referred to as cartres, who will hold significant power in

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<v Speaker 2>the new world order. At the same time, they are

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<v Speaker 2>criticized for not fully grasping the ideals of the founders

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<v Speaker 2>in the present. The slow progress toward realizing the cult

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<v Speaker 2>schools is attributed to their perceived lack of effort. The

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<v Speaker 2>leader is credited to the cult's achievements, while any setbacks

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<v Speaker 2>are blamed on the members perceived laziness. This combination of

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<v Speaker 2>grandiose vision and in culture that suppresses dissent create an

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<v Speaker 2>environment where questioning any aspect of the group's ideology is

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<v Speaker 2>met with intense fair and punishment, and political culturally do

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<v Speaker 2>present a danger. Most of them are marginal irrelevant, but

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<v Speaker 2>they do cause harm to the people within them and

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<v Speaker 2>the people outside of them, And if they managed to

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<v Speaker 2>take state power, like in Cambodia, it really has like

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<v Speaker 2>extremely disasterisk results, and I would call a full partter

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<v Speaker 2>cult leader. I would go as far as to say

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<v Speaker 2>that political cults have been mostly far right right. There

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<v Speaker 2>are some far left cults in the mix, which in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion is even more depressing because it's like you're

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<v Speaker 2>so close and then yeah, there you go. So like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of my eya is targeted towards political cults

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<v Speaker 2>and the left because it's like, wow, you know, almost there,

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<v Speaker 2>and then now you're stuck planting the flag of the

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<v Speaker 2>CCP in front of a university in the US or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, many, many such cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Many such cases. All sorts of political cults demand to

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<v Speaker 2>their true believers be prepared to raise the group's inflexible

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<v Speaker 2>theology and strict organizational practices, much to the parallel society

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<v Speaker 2>and honestly the waste of the talents, energy, and commitment

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<v Speaker 2>to their members. For as long as I can remember,

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<v Speaker 2>cults have been a bad thing. You know, Cults suck, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Cults of all types really suck generally.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, generally, cults have kind of a bad rap.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I can't imagine why. But then that lent

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<v Speaker 2>itself to the question of why do people join them

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<v Speaker 2>now they're stupid? How do they recruit and keep their members? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on there is that they just didn't know?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it that? Oh, cults, sign me up. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to take a very unorthodox approach and offer you, Garrison personally,

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<v Speaker 2>a guide to start your own cult.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I I've thought a lot about this already, but

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<v Speaker 3>I am, I am. I'm very happy to, very happy

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<v Speaker 3>to take it out here. Let me make a new Google.

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<v Speaker 2>Doc and sure where drawn from the work of social

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<v Speaker 2>psychologists Anthony Pratcanis and Elliott Aaronson. So just follow these steps,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, all right? Step one create a distinct social reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Cults is slate members from external sources of information, making

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<v Speaker 2>them interact primarily with other cult members. This leads to

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<v Speaker 2>a shift in vocabulary towards the cult's lingo, making it

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<v Speaker 2>difficult for them to communicate with non cult members, which

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<v Speaker 2>leads to the uncritical acceptance of the cult's propaganda. The

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<v Speaker 2>cult's belief system must be rigid and all encompass in

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<v Speaker 2>the analysis, answers everything about the world, and there is

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<v Speaker 2>nothing beyond it. Left wing cults believe that their ideology

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<v Speaker 2>is the only valid lens through which to view the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Historic coalm zerialism. Well, right wing cults often center their

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<v Speaker 2>beliefs around conspiracy theories, particularly related to race. And I remember,

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<v Speaker 2>group's beliefs are beyond question or falsification, No tests or

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<v Speaker 2>challenges allowed that might lead to a reevaluation of these beliefs.

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<v Speaker 2>Any dissent or questioning is labeled as heresy or betrayal

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<v Speaker 2>or you know better kind of vibe. Step two, create

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<v Speaker 2>an in group and an outgroup. Cults emphasize differences between

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<v Speaker 2>there in group and perceived out groups, fostering loyalty among members.

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<v Speaker 2>It really doesn't matter who the out group is. You

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<v Speaker 2>just need to have an outgroup of some kind. So

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<v Speaker 2>for far right cults, it's like Jewish people, black people,

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<v Speaker 2>gay people, those are the necessary out groups. That's like

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<v Speaker 2>the bare minimum out group for most right wing groups. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like checklist, you know, typical. I mean, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>some go even further, and they might say something like

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who isn't a white Anglo Saxon Protestant is excluded

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<v Speaker 2>from their groups. But you know, sorry, became kind of irrelevant.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Catholics, you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, RP Catholics, RP Irish, et cetera. And then

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<v Speaker 2>for far left cults, in order to I state the

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<v Speaker 2>members for the they can't just rely on like the

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<v Speaker 2>bourgeoisie as the old group, because I mean, the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the left already has the bourgeoisie as an opponent.

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<v Speaker 2>So these far left cults have to create other out

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<v Speaker 2>groups to talk at the and I state their numbers

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<v Speaker 2>from as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it becomes much more like seeped in ideology than

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<v Speaker 3>some all then, like compared to some of the right

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<v Speaker 3>wing cults, I think generally, the cults on the left

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<v Speaker 3>get get way more into creating kind of ideological distinctions

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<v Speaker 3>that separate the in group in the out group, and

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<v Speaker 3>there the ideology becomes the thing that like this is

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<v Speaker 3>like that becomes like the unquestionable thing that answers all

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<v Speaker 3>of the truths and all of like the problems of

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<v Speaker 3>the world, whether that's like an apocalyptic version where you're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about like some like collapse, or it's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like a or even like a utopia version right where

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking about the Marxist Leninists Party is gonna see

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<v Speaker 3>seize power through the vanguard and control swaths of territory

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<v Speaker 3>and return power to the proletariat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and the true obstacles to that party are the revisionists,

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<v Speaker 2>the ultra leftists, et cetera, et cetera, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Post leftists, the anarchists. Yeah yeah, the social Democrats as

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<v Speaker 3>always the enemy to all sides, truly, the one, the

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<v Speaker 3>one that everyone everyone loves to hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, truly, come right. Next step step three build

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<v Speaker 2>commitment through dissonance reduction, so cults manipulate cognitive discerns by

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<v Speaker 2>gradually escalating members quitment the group's beliefs and actions. These

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<v Speaker 2>for sense of consistency and eventually conversion. You don't throw

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<v Speaker 2>a newbie into the kool aid right away. You start

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<v Speaker 2>small and you build up from there. Maybe first you

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<v Speaker 2>join a meeting, Then maybe you start voting in the meetings.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you hand it out flyers for the cult at

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<v Speaker 2>like a Black Lives Matter protest for example, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you sip in the kool aid. You know, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>baby steps. You don't throw them into the intilrating right away.

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<v Speaker 2>Next step four, maintain a rigid internal regime. Decision making

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<v Speaker 2>power is concentrating in the hands of a select elite

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<v Speaker 2>within the group. Formal controls and democratic processes are either

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<v Speaker 2>dismantled or ignored, even though the organization make claim to

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<v Speaker 2>be democratic on paper, and this environment helps to foster uncertainty,

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<v Speaker 2>fair and confusion among members, which actually helps to reinforce

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<v Speaker 2>their commitment to the group. Believe it or not. Five.

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<v Speaker 2>Step five establish the attractiveness and credibility of the leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh alrighty, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, makeover.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this is why it's gonna be all over.

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<v Speaker 3>As soon as they start making twink cults, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be whole swathps of above the population just are gonna

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<v Speaker 3>immediately fall victim.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, indeed, these grand or supreme leaders are legends, extraordinary

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<v Speaker 2>in their qualities, your twinkness. New age cults do this. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>new age cults do this with their sex best leaders

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff. But oh my god, I can't not mention

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<v Speaker 2>the veneration the political cults plays in their leaders, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Hitler fans just obsessed with the guy. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that goes on saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. This applies to like to like, people who are

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<v Speaker 3>really into Hitler, people who are really into Stall, and

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<v Speaker 3>people who are really into now they've become this almost

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<v Speaker 3>like messionic figure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I mean even before I understood cults better,

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<v Speaker 2>I could see very clearly early on, even you know,

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<v Speaker 2>before my readers theory and everything just being exposed to

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<v Speaker 2>you know that space, that there is a veritable cult

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<v Speaker 2>of Lenin, of the king family, of Mao, of Trotsky,

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<v Speaker 2>out of Stalin, and far be it from you to

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<v Speaker 2>point out their flaws and mistakes. Either it's denied outright

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<v Speaker 2>as outside propaganda, or it's kept on the download as

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<v Speaker 2>much as possible. Specifically North Korea situation, right, you often

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<v Speaker 2>see its supporters saying things like, yes, there are problems

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<v Speaker 2>with North Korea, and we do discuss our criticisms behind

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<v Speaker 2>closed doors, but openly, you know, it's full throttled, full

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<v Speaker 2>throated support, which I find very interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Step six, speaking of leaders, the leader needs privileges naturally

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<v Speaker 2>post our power, wealth accumulation, and often sexual favors as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Activities that are usually deemed unacceptable for ordinary members are

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<v Speaker 2>tolerated when apply it to leaders. Why because step seven

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<v Speaker 2>you make sure to deify the leader. Leaders, whether historical

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<v Speaker 2>or current, are elevated to a near defined status. They're

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<v Speaker 2>carrying on the legacy and defending it from revision. If

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<v Speaker 2>the og is already dead, you resolve the arguments by

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<v Speaker 2>referencing the sayings of these leaders rather than through independent analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not well, you know this is the case

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<v Speaker 2>because we examined X, Y, and Z factor. It's this

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<v Speaker 2>is the case because pus and AA said so in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth century text number three hundred and seventy six or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's six hundred pages long.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah. I mean, do you even read capital, Like, come.

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<v Speaker 3>On, all all twenty five volumes?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, no shares a capital. I mean it's a

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<v Speaker 2>good no.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, If you want to read about like German factory conditions,

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<v Speaker 3>it is, and it's definitely it's eighteenth century German factory politics,

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<v Speaker 3>it is. It is an unparalleled book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. Step eight you need to send members to proselytize.

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<v Speaker 2>Members need to constantly promote the benefits of the culture

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<v Speaker 2>others because that reinforces their own beliefs, that self generated

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<v Speaker 2>persuasion strengthens their commitment. And to be fair, this applies

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<v Speaker 2>even outside of cults, right like if in the habits

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<v Speaker 2>of sharing your particular ideology or religion or philosophy. The

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<v Speaker 2>process of sharing it often helps you to understand it

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<v Speaker 2>and also lends itself lends to you being food persuaded

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<v Speaker 2>by it. But in the context of everything else, in

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<v Speaker 2>context of the cults, it really becomes a feedback loop

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<v Speaker 2>quote which is shown of all interference from the outside world,

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<v Speaker 2>and in which only the liturgy of the cult has

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<v Speaker 2>any semblance of reality. Number nine. Step nine distract members

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<v Speaker 2>from undesirable thoughts. Overworking members. Keep them busy and exhausted,

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<v Speaker 2>far too busy and exhausted to question the group's direction

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<v Speaker 2>or beliefs. Social life friendships, those all revolve around the group,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course those friendships are entirely conditional on the

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<v Speaker 2>maintenance of uncritical enthusiasm for the party line. The book

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<v Speaker 2>uses the example of the Worker's Revolutionary Party in Britain,

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<v Speaker 2>which has a chapter in the book all to itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite neving able to muster more than one percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the vote in any elections, somehow this small organization managed

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<v Speaker 2>to put out a daily newspaper, keeping the members busy, busy, busy, busy, busy.

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<v Speaker 2>Next number two fixate members on a promised land. Cults

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<v Speaker 2>create an idealized vision of the future the contrast to

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<v Speaker 2>the current reality that promised lands maybe an alien spaceship

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<v Speaker 2>to the next dimension, a religious ethno state, or a

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<v Speaker 2>Marxist lenin as utopia. But in either case, the cult's

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<v Speaker 2>members are driven to work tirelessly to achieve this vision

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<v Speaker 2>fair and missed opportunities. They're constantly either recruiting, in front raising,

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<v Speaker 2>and kept in a constanst of luteness reinforcing the commitment

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<v Speaker 2>to the group's beliefs now Garrison. If you follow these steps,

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<v Speaker 2>you will have a fairly effective cult. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>just for you, I'm going to throw in a bonus

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<v Speaker 2>package of commonly held contradictions. You could call it the

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<v Speaker 2>double think package.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, I'm all yours. I'm really really desperate

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<v Speaker 3>at this point because I've kind of sunk cost fallacy

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<v Speaker 3>this right, We've already been I've already been learning for

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<v Speaker 3>like thirty minutes. I feel like I need to take

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<v Speaker 3>away more or more information at at at the end

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<v Speaker 3>because if I if I go and apply this now,

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<v Speaker 3>it's I feel like I'm only gonna half asset. I need.

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<v Speaker 3>I need one final, one final thing to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>click into place here.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely check this out right, love of liberty and support

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<v Speaker 2>for totalitarianism.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, these seem like two opposite things. How can how

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 3>can both of these codes?

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<v Speaker 2>You can hold them in your brains simultaneously? Right? Check this.

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<v Speaker 2>Right left wing cults would idealize a very democratic Soviet

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<v Speaker 2>community of the past. You know, some trotch gise groups

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<v Speaker 2>even depict an earlier period as democratic before being corrupted

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<v Speaker 2>by later leaders. And then right wing cults would claim

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<v Speaker 2>to champ on individual liberty but seek to cletail democratic

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<v Speaker 2>rights for those who disagree with So the democracy is upheld,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's theoretical. So it's like, yeah, democracy would also

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<v Speaker 2>come on the material conditions. You can't have democracy in

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of situation. Ah, so you're loving, yes, like

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<v Speaker 2>I am a democracy advocate, but also like democracy gets

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<v Speaker 2>in the way sometimes we have to like get past it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you have like you

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<v Speaker 3>see what I'm cooking. We have the democracy of like

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<v Speaker 3>me and like my three friends, but not like you know, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like democracy, but it's like centered

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<v Speaker 2>around like a group like I you call it like

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<v Speaker 2>democratic centralism or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, that's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great idea, Thank you. Next, we have belief

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<v Speaker 2>inequality and privilege for leaders.

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<v Speaker 3>That last one team is kind of important.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you're going to be advocating for equality, but

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<v Speaker 2>then your leaders are going to have a bunch of privileges.

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<v Speaker 3>Because because we're spending all the time advocating, we but

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit something.

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<v Speaker 2>Extra exactly to the members. Well, they get to go

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<v Speaker 2>out there and spend time fundraising and stuff, but they

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<v Speaker 2>can't have a say and how the money is spent, right, Like,

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 2>we need that money, you know, for our personal projects

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>and our extremely high standard of livent. Check this out.

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<v Speaker 2>This is very common in religious cults, but also very

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<v Speaker 2>common in some political cults. Promotion of sexual morality and

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<v Speaker 2>sexual exploitation.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh well, okay, I'm not gonna I think I think

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<v Speaker 3>I'll stop the flag a long bit at this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually yeah, yeah, yeah, fair enough. But yes, this is

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<v Speaker 2>it's terrible, It's really terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a very common thick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, you know, cultural impose very strict sexual rules,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly on members, but yeah, particularly young women, and the

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<v Speaker 2>leaders will still like have a whole harem of female

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<v Speaker 2>members that they exploit. Stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this is. This is even quite common with

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<v Speaker 3>like like hardline evangelical cults in the in the States,

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<v Speaker 3>whether that's kind of like a Quiverfull related or just

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<v Speaker 3>other kind of smaller evangelical sex that kind of form

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<v Speaker 3>their own kind of church cult dynamic. But that is

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<v Speaker 3>that's very specifically, very common among Christian cults because of

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<v Speaker 3>how much that like sexual authoritarianism is uh normalized in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of and a lot of Protestant and Catholic

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<v Speaker 3>uh you know doctrine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly exactly. It's it's frighteningly common.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've certainly heard that like, you know, like Stalinists

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<v Speaker 3>or Maoists specifically have have weird, weird sex stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 3>But I've I've never I've never quite poked that bear,

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<v Speaker 3>but I have i haven't heard that there's specifically really

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<v Speaker 3>a weird sex stuff around ballists.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and also really weird sex offron Mao allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard to bought his exploits. Yeah, moving along, last

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 2>one in this little bonus package. The rest will have

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<v Speaker 2>to like pay the twelve simple payments of nine hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ninety nine dollars to get you know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's that's one payment every month, but each month

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<v Speaker 3>I get more information about how to do it better.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds a good That sounds a great deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, for sure, because I mean you'll be just

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<v Speaker 2>like swimming in cash by the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because now I can I can use these and

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<v Speaker 3>I could pass down these steps to someone else, so

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<v Speaker 3>I'll I will already get that best and they could

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<v Speaker 3>pass it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Pass it down, and then you'll get kicked backs from

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<v Speaker 2>that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great. That's that's sounds looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>A multi level scheme.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like there's like a triangle and there's different like

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<v Speaker 3>tiers of it, and like you're you're technically what above me,

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 3>but I'm still pretty close to the top if I

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 3>if I keep bringing it down, then it gets wider

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<v Speaker 3>and wider. That's that sounds like a pretty good like

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 3>setup and.

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<v Speaker 2>I benefit and then you benefit.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the triangle is actually the strongest shape structurally,

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<v Speaker 3>structure structurally, So check.

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<v Speaker 2>This out right, demand for free speech and suppression of

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<v Speaker 2>descent right, so culture vigorously defend their right to free

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<v Speaker 2>speech even results into legal action. Are there's some very

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<v Speaker 2>infamous court cases involving in cults. Yes, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>will criticize rival organizations for you know, undemocratic practices, yet

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 2>within the wrongs of the group, dissent is actively suppressed.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is like the scientology classic here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And members will be told like, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>should absolutely criticize. But then if they do criticize, you know,

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be humiliated. They can very easily be expelled.

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 2>It's like a bait and switch. It's like, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>give you this platform to criticize, so then we know

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<v Speaker 2>who to target and to tear it down. Very very common,

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<v Speaker 2>very very useful when you want to, you know, strengthen

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<v Speaker 2>the integrity of your cult. All right, and one last

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<v Speaker 2>quick game, let's ask ourselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Really you're just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, only if you call right now. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's ask ourselves. Am I already in a political cult?

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<v Speaker 3>Great? Good question. Actually, this is something people should ask

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 3>themselves pretty frequently.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. Yes. And to figure that out, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>look at the conditions that indicate the presence of ideological totalism,

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<v Speaker 2>a tam coined by American psychiatrist Robert J. Lifter to

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<v Speaker 2>give a name to the mood of absolute convictions, which

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<v Speaker 2>embeds ideas so deeply in people's heads that they grow

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<v Speaker 2>inoculated against doubt. So what are the conditions he identifies

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<v Speaker 2>as indicating the presence of ideological totalism. Well, there's milieu control,

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 2>mystical manipulation, the demand for purity, the cult of confession,

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 2>the secret science loading, the language, doctrine over person, and

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<v Speaker 2>the dispensing of existence. What do those mean one at

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<v Speaker 2>a time? Miliu control involves techniques that dominate a person's

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<v Speaker 2>contact with the outside world and communication with themselves. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so that idea of cults isolating people prevented them from

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<v Speaker 2>testing the groups of ideas against external alternatives. Mystical manipulation

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<v Speaker 2>is where cults claim a sense of higher purpose and

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<v Speaker 2>portrayali ideology as the vanguard of social development. That's all

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:56.720
<v Speaker 2>encompass in. This is the essential ideology for the future

0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 2>of the world. Demand for purity is of course, where

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:03.360
<v Speaker 2>members are like convicted of their superiority and purity in

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>their beliefs. The core ideas are essential, and anybody who

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<v Speaker 2>is a non member as a critic or as a

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:13.920
<v Speaker 2>critic is an accomplice in some kind of conspiracy against

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<v Speaker 2>the cult's ideas. The cult of confession is where members

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.880
<v Speaker 2>are required to confess their inadequacies and failures in group meetings,

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 2>which helps to break down individuality and intimidating and helps

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 2>to intimidate potential dis centers. The sacred science, through the

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:33.360
<v Speaker 2>group's ideology, is presented as a sacred moral vision, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can't really question its basic assumption.

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<v Speaker 3>The immortal science of mark system.

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<v Speaker 2>The immortal science indeed loading the language is what we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about earlier, where cults use repetitive phrases and

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 2>though terminating and cliches to prevent critical analysis and limit

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 2>thinking and feeling. Doctrine over person is where historical myths

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 2>are created or altered so align with the cult's ideology.

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 2>And then the dispenser of existence is we have only

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<v Speaker 2>those who adhance the group's ideology a fully human or

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<v Speaker 2>good well. All others are seen as agents of evil

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<v Speaker 2>or barriers to progress. How Black Will Delivery has been

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<v Speaker 2>useful for you in determining whether or not you and

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 2>a cult, as well as determine how you can create

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:18.359
<v Speaker 2>your own well.

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<v Speaker 3>Something that that my boss has told me a lot

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<v Speaker 3>is that there's there's very little difference between a cult

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<v Speaker 3>and a really good party. So, but the biggest difference

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 3>is that a party hopefully will be over right, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it should just be like one night. So a good

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 3>party is a cult that lasts like twelve hours tops.

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<v Speaker 3>So you can't apply a lot of these ideas to

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<v Speaker 3>putting together a really fun house party as long as

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<v Speaker 3>that it's there's a mandatory, like a disclin ship of

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<v Speaker 3>the party after after you know, everyone wakes up the

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<v Speaker 3>next morning.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm imagining like uh a DJ like yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>like like DJ miil you control.

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<v Speaker 3>We are, we are putting gets back on no more,

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<v Speaker 3>no more, ska back to gets exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The future lies right here in the.

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:31.240
<v Speaker 3>Space exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But I mean, in all seriousness, physical culture really sad.

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, the prayers, people's frustrations, the desire for change,

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 2>the prey. And what's worse is that they prey on

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:52.760
<v Speaker 2>their desire for affiliation. Yeah. One of our most deeply

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:58.239
<v Speaker 2>rooted desires to identify with social groups, to develop an

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 2>identity on a familiar your local, ethnic, or national scale.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's really sad that people get lost in that source.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember that, no matter what the group you choose

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:17.319
<v Speaker 2>affiliate with should be able to handle descent. I think

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 2>that's a very good baseline upon which to affiliate or

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:26.759
<v Speaker 2>to determine your affiliation. Healthy groups, organizations, and movements are

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<v Speaker 2>not weakened by descent. They need dissent, disagreement, and conflict

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 2>to survive. Frequent and important disagreement makes movements and organizations stronger.

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 2>It allows the individuals within them to maintain a level

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<v Speaker 2>of independence and allows ideas to evolve through challenge rather

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<v Speaker 2>than to exist purely due to the stifling atmosphere of conformity. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>we spoke about the techniques employed by both left wing

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<v Speaker 2>and right wing cults to maintain higher levels of conformity, activism,

0:40:55.800 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>and intolerance among their members. I want to emphasize our

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.919
<v Speaker 2>discussion doesn't imply that movements striving for societal change are

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 2>inherently bound to become obscure cults. Those that are critical

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 2>examination of modern society is not warranted. But it's important

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to remember that while our will challenges require political natsis

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 2>an action, the organizations that we form to address these

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<v Speaker 2>challenges must try to genuinely seek understanding and transformation while

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<v Speaker 2>preserving the freedom and individuality of its members. I still

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to say create a real community, not a cult.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all. Until next time, I've been Andrew of the

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