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Speaker 2: Welcome to it could happen here. I'm Andrew of the

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel Andrewism and I'm here.

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Speaker 3: With Garrison Davis is also here. Hello, Welcome, Welcome. You

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Speaker 3: don't want to think about recently?

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Speaker 2: Cults?

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Speaker 3: Oh, one of one of my favorite topics culture, culture, fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the term cult is in some

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Speaker 2: ways just another pejorative for, you know, a group that

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Speaker 2: you don't like. Sure, you know, culture personality. Could we

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Speaker 2: use to describe a very passionate fan base. We use

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Speaker 2: cult classic to talk about, you know, really well known

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Speaker 2: and renowned pieces of media. You know, cults could also

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Speaker 2: actually ReFood high control groups that ruin people's lives, you know,

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Speaker 2: So that's something to consider. Yes, I know that there's

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Speaker 2: some debate within sociology but or should we use it,

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Speaker 2: should we not use it? But I don't think the

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Speaker 2: occasional misapplications of the term should distract us from the

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Speaker 2: very real cults that have existed or do exist out there.

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Speaker 2: Cults not just in the context of religion, but also

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Speaker 2: in the context of politics.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's a I can I can think of many

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Speaker 3: many a political cult that rears it ZI whenever there's

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Speaker 3: a Popular Uprising.

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Speaker 2: And plent recently recently picked up on the Edge Political

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Speaker 2: Cults Left and Right by Dennis Turisch and Tim Wilford.

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Speaker 2: And as I was going through it and going through

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Speaker 2: all the different examples and stuff, it really gave me

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Speaker 2: a clearer sense of how political cults operate. And so

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Speaker 2: today I'd like to take some time to discuss nature

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Speaker 2: of photical cults, and perhaps in future episodes we can

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Speaker 2: dive into some specific examples and case studies, of which

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Speaker 2: there are several, and many of them seem to be

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Speaker 2: of the Trotskyist variety.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask my commander in chief, Bob, Actually, if

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Speaker 3: I'm allowed to talk about this before I continue continue

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Speaker 3: this episode.

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Speaker 2: Visionists, revisionists everywhere?

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Speaker 3: No continue please?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, first, I guess we need to understand what

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Speaker 2: cults are in general. Typically, culture defined as a relatively

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Speaker 2: small group which is typically led by a charismatic and

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Speaker 2: self appointed leader who excessively controls its members, requiring unwavering

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Speaker 2: devotion to a set of religious, spiritual, philosophical beliefs and practices,

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Speaker 2: or a particular person, object or goal which is considered

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Speaker 2: outside the norms of society. The American Family Foundation find

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Speaker 2: cults as a group of a group or movement exhibiting

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Speaker 2: great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea,

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Speaker 2: or thing, and employing unethical, manipulative, or cohesive techniques of

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Speaker 2: persuasion and control, for example, isolation from former friends and family, debilitation,

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Speaker 2: use of special methods to heighten suggestibility in subservience, powerful

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Speaker 2: group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgment,

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Speaker 2: promotion of total dependence in the group, and fear of

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Speaker 2: leaving it designed to advance the goal to the group's leaders,

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Speaker 2: the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, of

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Speaker 2: the community. We can also define cults as organizations that

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Speaker 2: remold individuality to conform to the codes and needs of

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Speaker 2: the cult, institute taboos that preclude doubt and criticism, and

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Speaker 2: generate an elitist mentality, whereby members see themselves as loan

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Speaker 2: evangelists struggling to bring enlightenment to the hostile forces surrounding them.

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Speaker 2: There is only one truth, and that is the truth

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Speaker 2: espoused by the cult. Competing explanations are not merely inaccurate,

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Speaker 2: but degenerate cults don't have opponents, They have enemies and

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Speaker 2: frequently dream about their ultimate destruction. Now, cults are usually

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Speaker 2: associated with religion, particularly of the New Age Who and

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Speaker 2: self help variety. Sometimes it even gets into the kind

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Speaker 2: of multi level marketing schemes of business trainer or.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, the lines between MLMs, primitive schemes and

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Speaker 2: cultures quite blaard disappoint essential oils all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very fluid, dynamic because no it in practice,

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Speaker 3: a lot of those if they are not cults themselves,

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Speaker 3: they do pick up a lot of like cult ish tactics, behavior,

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Speaker 3: kind of loads of modes of interaction.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, could apply. That's a lot of businesses these days.

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Speaker 2: I mean I've seen more than a handful of medium

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Speaker 2: articles like this is why you should run your business

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Speaker 2: like a cult. Here seven cult tactics that you could

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Speaker 2: apply to your business to generate more productivity. Kind of

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Speaker 2: classic LinkedIn style stuff. Yeah. So in two thousand, which

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Speaker 2: it's cited that as many as four million Americans may

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Speaker 2: have been involved with cult groups, and they were around

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Speaker 2: five hundred cults active in Britain at the time, and

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Speaker 3: Especially nowadays, even just with like how the Internet has

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Speaker 3: of American culture have either been or always have been

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Speaker 3: kind of cultified. Whether that includes stuff like the Marvel

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Speaker 3: little church who has this one pastor for like fifty years,

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Speaker 3: what everything one's allowed to watch, and who they're allowed

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Speaker 3: to vote for. Right, Like, it's a lot of aspects

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Speaker 3: kind of churns that machine have a lot a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, definitely, I don't. Honestly, that's where like, you know,

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Speaker 2: sociologists would contend with the tomb, right because honestly, there

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Speaker 2: are some definitions of a cult that literally would just

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Speaker 2: apply to pretty much any religious group. Sure, And what

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Speaker 2: have your thoughts on that? You know, it's it's it's

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Speaker 2: clear that although religious groups do have their issues, we're

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Speaker 2: speaking about a very specific and concentrated approach to that

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Speaker 2: type of organization. I mean, cults could be as small

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Speaker 2: a lot of cults start with just two people the

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Speaker 2: leader and they face acolyte, you know. And larger cults

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Speaker 2: can also have smaller subcults within them, as you know,

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Speaker 2: certain members branch out and pursue their own little fiefdoms.

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Speaker 2: Cults weaponize people's emotions to bring them into the fold.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't rationalize your way into the cults,

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Speaker 2: the people that Heaven's gates with like, huh, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: know that that really makes sense. I should probably investigate that.

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Speaker 2: According to all these studies and calculations, it really really

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Speaker 2: all lines up, you know. And similarly, most don't even

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Speaker 2: rationalize their way out of a cult. Cult recruitment and

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Speaker 2: cult dissolusion are mostly involving constantly shifting emotional states, which

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Speaker 2: one's thoughts and feelings. And on top of that, cults

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Speaker 2: These minor insights are presented as profound revolutions. Commonly held

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Speaker 2: sense of intellectual superiority. Where apocalypse is concerned, cults operate

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Speaker 2: and then members are isolated from their pre cult self

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Speaker 2: consumed by cult activities, embracing a new sense of self

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Speaker 2: reach that goal. That description apply to both religious cults

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Speaker 3: And political cults. No, I was definitely viewing that through

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Speaker 3: even a more so political lens, just because that's, you know,

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Speaker 3: like that can even that can even also I mean,

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Speaker 3: operate particularly in North America. But honestly, that description can

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Speaker 3: also like be applied to just like a really shitty

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Speaker 3: you know, the very you know, like political systems that

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Speaker 3: are more inherently authoritarian versus once that aren't. But you know,

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Speaker 3: if you look at like the Libertarian Party of the

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Speaker 3: they claimed to be anti authoritarian, but a lot of

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Speaker 3: a lot of their internal politics are very authoritarian. But

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Speaker 3: also like the specific local chapters, whenever they get new

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Speaker 3: kind of cult dynamic running. And I don't think that's

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Speaker 2: And in my observation, yeah, definitely, I think people here

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Speaker 2: cults and they immediately think like the destructive cults of

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Speaker 2: people of like the People's Temple of Jim Jones, right, Sure,

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Speaker 2: I mean those numbers through deliberate action abused, physically injured,

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Speaker 2: you know, and then then of course they doomsday cults

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Speaker 2: people think about like Having's skates who believe in some

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Speaker 2: kind of apocalypticism or millenarianism. But I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about political cults, right, and not just political cults on

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Speaker 2: political culture as well. You know that we'll get we'll

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Speaker 2: get their due attention in due time. In fact, the

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Speaker 2: first political culture I do want to talk about in

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Speaker 2: another episode is a cult that really ran the gamut

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Speaker 2: from left to right. The leader of that cult the

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Speaker 2: last name rhymes with La Poach. But you know we'll

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Speaker 3: Tex Okay, all right, all right, all right, I will,

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Speaker 3: I will, I will wait for the for the reveal.

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Speaker 3: Do you know who else really loves cults?

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Speaker 2: Who's that?

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Speaker 3: The products and surfaces that pay both my bills and

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Speaker 3: some of your bills. So here is a perfect a

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Speaker 3: perfect space for an ad break. Thanks Chevron, if you're

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Speaker 3: advertising pushing pushing forward the great American tradition of cultish

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Speaker 3: behavior in the economic system, we are back have you

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Speaker 3: ever read the book Cultish?

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Speaker 2: So I classify my engagement with literature in two broad comps.

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Speaker 2: Books I've read in books I've skimmed. That's a book

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Speaker 2: I've skimmed.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, it's it is it is.

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Speaker 3: It is definitely a fine book to skim. No, it's

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Speaker 3: definitely a good a good kind of a good, central

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Speaker 3: central piece of literature. Kind of on on this topic,

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Speaker 3: especially as it relates to, you know, getting out of

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Speaker 3: just like Heaven's Gate or scientology. Know that there's very like,

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Speaker 3: very obvious cults as starting to like look at the

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Speaker 3: general cultishness of like this entire continent and specifically the

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Speaker 3: United States. It's definitely a fun read if anyone is

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it particularly focuses on cult language, right,

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Speaker 2: how the language of cultures used to manipulate people. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So political cults, right, I mean, in a world where

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Speaker 2: established politics has failed us again and again, many have

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Speaker 2: to into radical politics right and left. I mean, as

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Speaker 2: someone who doesn't really consider myself left, but I do

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Speaker 2: like relate to it in some way, you know, typical anarchist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on the same I'm in the same boat

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see radicalization towards left as necessarily a

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, truly, come right. Next step step three build

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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, these grand or supreme leaders are legends, extraordinary

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Step eight you need to send members to proselytize.

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Speaker 2: to put out a daily newspaper, keeping the members busy, busy, busy, busy, busy.

431
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: Next number two fixate members on a promised land. Cults

432
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: create an idealized vision of the future the contrast to

433
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: the current reality that promised lands maybe an alien spaceship

434
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: to the next dimension, a religious ethno state, or a

435
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: Marxist lenin as utopia. But in either case, the cult's

436
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: members are driven to work tirelessly to achieve this vision

437
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: fair and missed opportunities. They're constantly either recruiting, in front raising,

438
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 2: and kept in a constanst of luteness reinforcing the commitment

439
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: to the group's beliefs now Garrison. If you follow these steps,

440
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: you will have a fairly effective cult. But you know what,

441
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: just for you, I'm going to throw in a bonus

442
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: package of commonly held contradictions. You could call it the

443
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: double think package.

444
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I'm all yours. I'm really really desperate

445
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: at this point because I've kind of sunk cost fallacy

446
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: this right, We've already been I've already been learning for

447
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: like thirty minutes. I feel like I need to take

448
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: away more or more information at at at the end

449
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: because if I if I go and apply this now,

450
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: it's I feel like I'm only gonna half asset. I need.

451
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: I need one final, one final thing to kind of

452
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: click into place here.

453
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely check this out right, love of liberty and support

454
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: for totalitarianism.

455
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: Right, these seem like two opposite things. How can how

456
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: can both of these codes?

457
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: You can hold them in your brains simultaneously? Right? Check this.

458
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: Right left wing cults would idealize a very democratic Soviet

459
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: community of the past. You know, some trotch gise groups

460
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: even depict an earlier period as democratic before being corrupted

461
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: by later leaders. And then right wing cults would claim

462
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: to champ on individual liberty but seek to cletail democratic

463
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: rights for those who disagree with So the democracy is upheld,

464
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: but it's theoretical. So it's like, yeah, democracy would also

465
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: come on the material conditions. You can't have democracy in

466
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: that kind of situation. Ah, so you're loving, yes, like

467
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: I am a democracy advocate, but also like democracy gets

468
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: in the way sometimes we have to like get past it.

469
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you have like you

470
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: see what I'm cooking. We have the democracy of like

471
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: me and like my three friends, but not like you know, everybody.

472
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like democracy, but it's like centered

473
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: around like a group like I you call it like

474
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 2: democratic centralism or something like that.

475
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Speaker 3: Anyway, that's a great idea.

476
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: That's a great idea, Thank you. Next, we have belief

477
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: inequality and privilege for leaders.

478
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: That last one team is kind of important.

479
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're going to be advocating for equality, but

480
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 2: then your leaders are going to have a bunch of privileges.

481
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: Because because we're spending all the time advocating, we but

482
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: a little bit something.

483
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: Extra exactly to the members. Well, they get to go

484
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: out there and spend time fundraising and stuff, but they

485
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: can't have a say and how the money is spent, right, Like,

486
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: we need that money, you know, for our personal projects

487
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: and our extremely high standard of livent. Check this out.

488
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: This is very common in religious cults, but also very

489
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Speaker 2: common in some political cults. Promotion of sexual morality and

490
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Speaker 2: sexual exploitation.

491
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Speaker 3: Huh well, okay, I'm not gonna I think I think

492
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: I'll stop the flag a long bit at this one.

493
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, yeah, yeah, fair enough. But yes, this is

494
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Speaker 2: it's terrible, It's really terrible.

495
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: This is a very common thick.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know, cultural impose very strict sexual rules,

497
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: particularly on members, but yeah, particularly young women, and the

498
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: leaders will still like have a whole harem of female

499
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Speaker 2: members that they exploit. Stuff.

500
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Speaker 3: This is this is. This is even quite common with

501
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: like like hardline evangelical cults in the in the States,

502
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: whether that's kind of like a Quiverfull related or just

503
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: other kind of smaller evangelical sex that kind of form

504
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: their own kind of church cult dynamic. But that is

505
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: that's very specifically, very common among Christian cults because of

506
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: how much that like sexual authoritarianism is uh normalized in

507
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: a lot of and a lot of Protestant and Catholic

508
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: uh you know doctrine.

509
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. It's it's frighteningly common.

510
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: And I've certainly heard that like, you know, like Stalinists

511
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: or Maoists specifically have have weird, weird sex stuff going on.

512
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: But I've I've never I've never quite poked that bear,

513
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: but I have i haven't heard that there's specifically really

514
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: a weird sex stuff around ballists.

515
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, and also really weird sex offron Mao allegedly

516
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: I've heard to bought his exploits. Yeah, moving along, last

517
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: one in this little bonus package. The rest will have

518
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: to like pay the twelve simple payments of nine hundred

519
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: and ninety nine dollars to get you know.

520
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: That's that's that's one payment every month, but each month

521
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: I get more information about how to do it better.

522
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: That sounds a good That sounds a great deal.

523
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, because I mean you'll be just

524
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: like swimming in cash by the time.

525
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, because now I can I can use these and

526
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: I could pass down these steps to someone else, so

527
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: I'll I will already get that best and they could

528
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: pass it down.

529
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: Pass it down, and then you'll get kicked backs from

530
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: that as well.

531
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Speaker 3: That's great. That's that's sounds looks like.

532
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: A multi level scheme.

533
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: It's like there's like a triangle and there's different like

534
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: tiers of it, and like you're you're technically what above me,

535
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: but I'm still pretty close to the top if I

536
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: if I keep bringing it down, then it gets wider

537
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: and wider. That's that sounds like a pretty good like

538
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: setup and.

539
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: I benefit and then you benefit.

540
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: I mean, the triangle is actually the strongest shape structurally,

541
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: structure structurally, So check.

542
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: This out right, demand for free speech and suppression of

543
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: descent right, so culture vigorously defend their right to free

544
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: speech even results into legal action. Are there's some very

545
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: infamous court cases involving in cults. Yes, and then they

546
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: will criticize rival organizations for you know, undemocratic practices, yet

547
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: within the wrongs of the group, dissent is actively suppressed.

548
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: You know.

549
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like the scientology classic here.

550
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And members will be told like, yeah, you

551
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: should absolutely criticize. But then if they do criticize, you know,

552
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: they're going to be humiliated. They can very easily be expelled.

553
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: It's like a bait and switch. It's like, yeah, we

554
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: give you this platform to criticize, so then we know

555
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: who to target and to tear it down. Very very common,

556
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: very very useful when you want to, you know, strengthen

557
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: the integrity of your cult. All right, and one last

558
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: quick game, let's ask ourselves.

559
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 3: Really you're just like.

560
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, only if you call right now. So

561
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: let's ask ourselves. Am I already in a political cult?

562
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: Great? Good question. Actually, this is something people should ask

563
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: themselves pretty frequently.

564
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. And to figure that out, we have to

565
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: look at the conditions that indicate the presence of ideological totalism,

566
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: a tam coined by American psychiatrist Robert J. Lifter to

567
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: give a name to the mood of absolute convictions, which

568
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 2: embeds ideas so deeply in people's heads that they grow

569
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: inoculated against doubt. So what are the conditions he identifies

570
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: as indicating the presence of ideological totalism. Well, there's milieu control,

571
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: mystical manipulation, the demand for purity, the cult of confession,

572
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: the secret science loading, the language, doctrine over person, and

573
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 2: the dispensing of existence. What do those mean one at

574
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: a time? Miliu control involves techniques that dominate a person's

575
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: contact with the outside world and communication with themselves. Right,

576
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: so that idea of cults isolating people prevented them from

577
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: testing the groups of ideas against external alternatives. Mystical manipulation

578
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: is where cults claim a sense of higher purpose and

579
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: portrayali ideology as the vanguard of social development. That's all

580
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: encompass in. This is the essential ideology for the future

581
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: of the world. Demand for purity is of course, where

582
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: members are like convicted of their superiority and purity in

583
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: their beliefs. The core ideas are essential, and anybody who

584
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: is a non member as a critic or as a

585
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: critic is an accomplice in some kind of conspiracy against

586
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: the cult's ideas. The cult of confession is where members

587
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: are required to confess their inadequacies and failures in group meetings,

588
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: which helps to break down individuality and intimidating and helps

589
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: to intimidate potential dis centers. The sacred science, through the

590
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 2: group's ideology, is presented as a sacred moral vision, so

591
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: you can't really question its basic assumption.

592
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: The immortal science of mark system.

593
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: The immortal science indeed loading the language is what we

594
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: were talking about earlier, where cults use repetitive phrases and

595
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: though terminating and cliches to prevent critical analysis and limit

596
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: thinking and feeling. Doctrine over person is where historical myths

597
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: are created or altered so align with the cult's ideology.

598
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: And then the dispenser of existence is we have only

599
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: those who adhance the group's ideology a fully human or

600
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: good well. All others are seen as agents of evil

601
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: or barriers to progress. How Black Will Delivery has been

602
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: useful for you in determining whether or not you and

603
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: a cult, as well as determine how you can create

604
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: your own well.

605
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: Something that that my boss has told me a lot

606
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: is that there's there's very little difference between a cult

607
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: and a really good party. So, but the biggest difference

608
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: is that a party hopefully will be over right, it's

609
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: it should just be like one night. So a good

610
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: party is a cult that lasts like twelve hours tops.

611
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 3: So you can't apply a lot of these ideas to

612
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: putting together a really fun house party as long as

613
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: that it's there's a mandatory, like a disclin ship of

614
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: the party after after you know, everyone wakes up the

615
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 3: next morning.

616
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: So I'm imagining like uh a DJ like yes, yes,

617
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: like like DJ miil you control.

618
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: We are, we are putting gets back on no more,

619
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 3: no more, ska back to gets exactly.

620
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. The future lies right here in the.

621
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 3: Space exactly exactly.

622
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I mean, in all seriousness, physical culture really sad.

623
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: You know, the prayers, people's frustrations, the desire for change,

624
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: the prey. And what's worse is that they prey on

625
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: their desire for affiliation. Yeah. One of our most deeply

626
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: rooted desires to identify with social groups, to develop an

627
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: identity on a familiar your local, ethnic, or national scale.

628
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: And it's really sad that people get lost in that source.

629
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: You remember that, no matter what the group you choose

630
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: affiliate with should be able to handle descent. I think

631
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: that's a very good baseline upon which to affiliate or

632
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: to determine your affiliation. Healthy groups, organizations, and movements are

633
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: not weakened by descent. They need dissent, disagreement, and conflict

634
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: to survive. Frequent and important disagreement makes movements and organizations stronger.

635
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: It allows the individuals within them to maintain a level

636
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: of independence and allows ideas to evolve through challenge rather

637
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: than to exist purely due to the stifling atmosphere of conformity. Today,

638
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: we spoke about the techniques employed by both left wing

639
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: and right wing cults to maintain higher levels of conformity, activism,

640
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: and intolerance among their members. I want to emphasize our

641
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 2: discussion doesn't imply that movements striving for societal change are

642
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: inherently bound to become obscure cults. Those that are critical

643
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: examination of modern society is not warranted. But it's important

644
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 2: to remember that while our will challenges require political natsis

645
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: an action, the organizations that we form to address these

646
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: challenges must try to genuinely seek understanding and transformation while

647
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: preserving the freedom and individuality of its members. I still

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