WEBVTT - Hot Dogs Are Horrifying Ft. Jamie Loftus 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.960 It's it could happen here. Look, I didn't I didn't 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:10.760 think of an intro for this one. I really should have. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:13.840 I apologized to the readers. I was reading about Chinese 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.520 also weeze instead. Uh. Yeah, this is a podcast that's 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:19.599 I don't know, it's about things. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:28.960 I'm here unlike all those other podcasts about. 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.440 Things, and ours is actually about things. And today it's 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:35.040 about hot dogs. And in order to talk about hot dogs, 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.160 were joined by Jamie Loftus, whose new book Raw Dog, 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.600 The Naked Truth about hot Dogs boldly asked the question 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.240 what if a book was good? Welcome to the show, JB. 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:47.640 Hello, Hello, So it's so good to be here to 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:48.920 talk about things. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.560 This is like the thingniest thing available, I think. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.760 Yeah, so I I read this book in okay, I 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:58.760 don't know how you're actually supposed to vide up, Like 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:00.680 if you stand up to go to the bathroom in 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:04.280 the middle of a sitting, is that still one sitting? 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.800 But yeah, so I read this book in one sitting 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:06.360 and it was great. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.559 One sitting with a bathroom break. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.600 I think there was two technically, but yeah, it was 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:19.360 a good time. Yeah, And so okay, so this is 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.240 this is a book that's about hot dogs and also 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.600 about it's a tale of human, human and animal misery 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.280 and suffering. And so as I was reading the book, 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.720 my playlist pops up Daniel Connan The Painted Birds song 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.399 The Butchers Share, and so I'm like reading about this, 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.360 and the song starts going, Let's take a walk around 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.840 the Old Bizarre, where every little thing has traveled far, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.640 every pair of pants and grain of rice contains a 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.200 horror story and its price. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:49.560 It really really. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:51.320 Yeah. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.280 I was like, wow, Wow, Okay, I guess reality is 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:54.920 just sort of telling me what the what the what 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:55.960 the plot is right now? 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:57.280 Yeah. I mean that. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.480 In another another case, I think it's really important that 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.800 we're talking with us right now. Is that I believe 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.440 your book was officially published on May twenty third, Yeah, 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.800 which is which is the twenty third day in the 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.040 fifth month, which is obviously of the year twenty twenty three, 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.480 which is very important in the Discordian calendar, and your 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.560 books about hot dogs, which is specifically it is the 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:23.040 one sacred food in the religion of Discordianism. So we 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.960 for these reasons it's really important were talking with this 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.160 because you you must be a very powerful wizard to 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:33.640 have to have figured this out. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.440 Yes, yes, I had to reserve this date years in advance. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.880 I saw it coming, and you know, and then by 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:41.880 the time people caught on. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:42.560 It was too late. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.800 I had already I had already wizarded my way into 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:51.000 the most potent release date. And now I mean, it's 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.200 we all may be fucked because I didn't. 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.320 Someone's going to assassinate Jfkin and it's gonna be great. 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.360 And this time his head is going to explode. Like 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.840 there's twice as much blood in it as the original. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:08.959 It's gonna be really shocked the original. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:09.360 I love it. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.160 It's like as the original series or movies. 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:14.800 It's gonna be a second There's gonna be a second 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.000 Grassy Knoll stack on top of the book depository. It's 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:17.680 gonna be amazing. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:22.799 Has Reboot Culture gone too far? You know? It's it's 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:23.560 a good question. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:27.600 I was kind of I was trying to do a 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.080 reboot Culture plug cycle back here thing, and I can't 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.359 do it. I'm a hack and a fraud. 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.360 But I wanted to. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.360 Yeah, So I wanted to talk to you a bit 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.119 about one of the things you mentioned in the book 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.840 is that you were trying to get into like like 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.680 try trying to be able to get tours of these 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.280 of these like packing plants, and just they just like 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.840 didn't let you. So I wanted to ask a bit 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.960 about like that process, because that seemed like it was 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:52.240 incredibly chaotic. 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:58.440 Yeah, it was really frustrating and humiliating kind of every 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.120 step of the way. Where I mean, as we were traveling, 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.280 I had, you know, the map of places that I 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.320 wanted to go, and then I also had a map 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.600 of like meatpacking plants that we could possibly go to 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.320 on the way, and so I reached out a little 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.720 bit in advance and either got I mean, got a 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.400 ton of just no answers. And I would try to call, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:22.240 but generally the excuse I was given was was, well, 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.840 we don't let people tour anymore since COVID, because there 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.320 were a few places I know that the Vienna Beef 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:33.400 factory in Chicago used to do tours of very specific 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.640 areas of the factory, kind of the least gnarly parts, 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.920 which is saying nothing, but you know, there were places 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:46.360 that you used to let civilians tour, and now it's 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.880 just unless things have changed in the last you know, 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.960 year or so, no one can and on top of 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.200 that in certain states, and this is also shifting. But 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.080 the AGGAG laws I think make it way less possible 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:05.320 and appealing for any meat packing plant to allow other 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:09.920 people in, which is true. I mean the AGAG law 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:15.159 rabbit hole is so sinister of just like, instead of 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:19.000 any meaningful improvement in meat packing plants, they're inventing new 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.839 laws to combat UH technology, which is just like terrifying. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.560 Yeah, I mean that was a what was that? Was 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.200 that technically pregreen scare? 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:31.960 That's a good question. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:33.159 I just like I think I. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:33.479 Think it was. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.480 I think that was mostly like a mid like a 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:36.600 mid nineties thing. 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.400 Yeah, but they've definitely kicked up. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.600 I mean, I think the awareness of them in general 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.560 has kicked up in the last couple of years because 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:50.760 like in UH, sort of in step with how horrible 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:56.040 conditions were for workers during lockdown after the executive order, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.039 I think there was like all of a sudden, a 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.200 heightened interest in wanting to invest gain it, and they 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.640 were just blocked at every single turn. And there are 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.880 some I know that some have been overturned or in 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.400 the in the process of being overturned, but. 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.719 I don't know. It seems pretty bleak to me. 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.400 Yeah, yeah, like you don't think I'd help with that, right, 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.920 Like we found out like what like a look was 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.320 it like a month ago, like pretty recently. Also that 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.760 there were a bunch of companies, these meatpacking companies that 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.560 were just like using child labor, that children were getting 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:30.320 horribly named. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:32.040 Yep. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.080 That yeah, that was in didn't make the book, but 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.120 I could have taken an educated guess, you know, like 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:45.680 it's like often so comically bad, it feels wrong, but 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.320 it's just like so over the top horrible, and it 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:54.680 sounds like describing current meatpacking conditions in the US sounds 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.919 like you're describing meatpacking conditions one hundred years ago, and 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:02.040 they were actually slightly better one hundred years ago. So 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.760 it is it is very bleak in the unions that 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:11.880 still exist, but they are somewhat weakened and making it 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.800 possible for laws like this to sneak through at active 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:19.160 child labor. And there's I know, I put this in 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.160 the book because it's something I think about all the time. 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.920 Where you know, down the line, it was reported that 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.040 not only was working at a meatpacking plant one of 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.360 the least safe jobs in the country during lockdown but 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.200 on top of that, a year later, it was revealed 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:41.600 that the top brass at Tyson and Smithfield were directly 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:46.560 colluding with the government and essentially drafted the drafted the 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.680 executive order that was given in April twenty twenty to 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.080 keep the meatpacking plants open. There were you know, foreman 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.200 and sort of middle managers at these companies that would 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.800 take bets on how many of their employees would get sick. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.600 It was just like it was cartoon evil. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.240 It was I'm like constantly haunted by the taking bets 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.720 thing like that's you think about that like once a week, 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.920 and of like I think I think your line was 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.440 I think your line was like a continued think of 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.840 how okay with you are? You are you with bringing 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.360 the guillotine back? And I was like, you know, like this. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.640 And it's the worst when it's like middle managers, I'm like, 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.920 what what is your endgame here? Like it's I mean, 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:29.480 I know what the end game is, but it's so 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.400 bleak to you know, be making you know, just getting 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:38.680 by and still betting against your like like vulnerable people that. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.520 Work for you, who you see every day. It's just like, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.520 I mean whatever, not surprising, but yeah. I was like, Wow, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.880 there's no there's no justice in hot dog Land. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:47.440 There really is. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:53.199 I'm so curious about how curated what they what information 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.280 is allowed to be shared, Like, I'm curious if I 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.400 don't know if they know how bad it is even 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.400 or if they're just like conditioned not to not to 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:01.079 think about it. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.520 Yeah, from what I can tell, there are. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:05.760 And I write about one at length in the book 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.880 because it's one of my favorite YouTube clips of all time. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:14.120 This like Canadian TV show that's like a I think 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:15.480 it's just called How It's Made. 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.680 But it's like this is a very popular Canadian television show. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.160 It's I watched a kid. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.320 Really Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.520 I love I mean I love shows like that, and 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.840 I love specifically when they show you how something gross 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.640 is made because they're really trying to like keep the 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.200 mood light in a way that is like so funny 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.560 with hot dogs, where it's like just these big machines 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.760 farting out goo and then there's like this bassline playing 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:45.160 that's like. 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.840 Boom boom, boom boom. The next step in the hot 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.200 dog's journey is going to the ship, and you're like what, 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:53.000 it's so good. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.800 But it's really I mean, those those clips are ridiculously 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.680 curated and to the point where it's like I can't 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.080 even re tell you what's missing, but I you know, 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:06.760 you could tell weird pr when you see it, and 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.439 and yeah, like they're sort of showing the easiest I 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:10.720 don't know. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.679 It reminds me. I don't know why. 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:16.360 I'm like in I'm like fharah nose pilled today, But 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.320 like it reminds me of the anecdote about Elizabeth Holmes 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.400 where she was like taking Joe Biden around faara and 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.120 nose and then there were like people in each room 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.199 setting up the next room to look like it was 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:30.120 a functioning business as that like they were taking him 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:34.040 through the through the rooms and successfully deceived him. That's 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.199 very much what hot Dog production clips feel like to me, 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.640 which is wild because they're still disgusting, like you cannot 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.240 make it look good. 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:46.000 But yeah, I don't know. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:50.319 I mean, going back through years of reports, it's it's 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:55.440 really difficult, understandably so to speak with people who work 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.520 at meat piking plants as well, because there's like not 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.960 a lot of that they stand to gain from. 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:02.840 Talking to reporters. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.320 But there was a good Washington Post report about it 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:10.200 in the early two thousands that detailed not just labor 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.720 abuses within the workforce, but how you know when you're 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.280 not paying your employees enough and not keeping the equipment 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.560 updated and are you know factory farming focused on just 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:21.840 production production production. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:22.480 Uh. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.400 The animals are far worse off too, And there are 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.880 some pretty horrifying descriptions of what would happen to animals 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:33.000 when people didn't have the workforce or the or the 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.720 tools to be able to, you know, slaughter an animal 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:39.760 in not the most horrible way possible. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.079 I like thought I had a like i'd like watch 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:48.920 stuff before on factory farming, and like, I don't I 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.679 would have a real fun time sleeping tonight thinking about 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.480 the fucking I don't know, I mean the illusion probably 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.760 content wording this because this is like the addible stuff 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.240 and this is genuinely horrible, like this specific yeah thing. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.040 It was like it was like them talking about like 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.079 they're like stunning an animal to kill it, but then the 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.480 animal comes back and they're like literally chopping the animal 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.560 apart while it's alive. The animals like blinking out that 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:12.360 like Jesus Christ. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.120 It's like it's hot and then and on the workers end, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.360 it's like and don't stop or you're fired. 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.760 And like and you have no protection. It's just like 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.920 it's a it's a nightmare in a lot of places. 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.400 And there it came around in an interesting way with 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.160 at the Nathan Tatak eating contest last year, because they 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.240 use I don't know if they use Smithfield plants for 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.640 all of their food, but they did certainly some of them. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.200 And there was a protester who came on stage while 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:43.559 Joey Chestnut. 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.680 Was gobbling seventy five guizzies or something like that, and 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.640 like the protester was like wearing a Darth Vader mask 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.760 and he had this sign that said like take down 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.280 the Smithfield Death Star. 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.760 And it was a good, like a pretty solid protest. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:58.880 It made it on TV. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.520 But then Joey, who has not tackled him to the 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.040 ground and then just stood up and kept eating hot dogs. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:09.920 It was like, I mean, the protester was so in 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:14.680 the right, but also watching Joey really just take someone 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.480 just in the middle of eating. He was like forty 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:21.280 hot dogs deep tackled this guy to the ground and 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.840 on like the low res feed, I was watching it 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.080 looked like he killed him, and I was like, what 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.079 did Joey just do on ESPN? 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:29.440 Did he just kill a man? 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.920 He didn't, but he injured someone and he also had 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.400 a broken leg at the time. Joey not the protester, 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.040 So it was just like then he went back, very 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.520 very bizarre, and then he yeah, and then he finished 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.520 the contest and he was like, well, I would have 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.720 beat my own record, but unfortunately I had to pause 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:54.600 for five seconds to kill someone. But anyways, Yeah, the 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.200 especially Smithfield, I think is uniquely bad. But Smithfield enticson 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:02.240 it's just like her, like horrendous with with labor practices. 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.120 Yeah, I mean I think that was like I had 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:06.760 a thing I was gonna say, and then it simply 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.480 evaporated from my mind. Uh you know what, fucking and 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:20.720 break to cover up my failures. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.160 I keep having this like false memory. I feel like 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.200 it's like it's a ling Mendela effect thing where when 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:34.000 everyone says whenever someone says Joey Chestnut, I keep I 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.160 keep thinking it's a character from I think you should leave. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:44.160 But whenever I look at them, like no, every single time, 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:46.080 I mean, it does. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:50.520 Sound like that, and I think you should Leave has 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:55.160 such god tear hot dog jokes that Joey should be 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:59.680 on that show, but unfortunately he lacks charisma, and. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.880 So he also sees a person. 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:04.320 He is. 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.480 He's definitely complicit in a number of things. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.920 Very hard to know what Joey's politics are, which I 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.320 know is intentional, but I'm like, what's going on with him? 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.840 He's from San Diego but now he lives in Indiana. 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.440 I just don't feel like it bodes well, but I 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:21.320 can't say for sure. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.320 Yeah, yeah, you know. That was another part of this 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.480 that I was like, I was reading this and especially 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.520 like given the shit that's been happening the last few weeks, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:37.880 reading about to Kyu Kobyashi, the former champion competitive eating 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.440 eating guy, coming to the US, and then like having 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.080 the very combination American experience of like coming to the 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.440 US and then slowly realizing, holy shit, this place sucks ass, 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.440 Like there's just a bunch of racist here and they 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.880 hate us, and my boss is going to like run 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.800 a racist pr campaign against me for money, like. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.080 Like mask off like every day all the time, And 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.600 here's the guy I'm going to be replacing you with, 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:08.920 and you will be only abused until this guy can 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.960 beat you and then goodbye forever, and that's what happened. 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.160 It's so I mean, I don't know. 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:20.360 I think it's fascinating in a very sick way because 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:25.040 it's like he is just hot Dog Vince McMahon, like 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:29.760 absolutely who this guy is and clearly idolizes Vince McMahon, 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.640 the guy George Shay like his wife wrote for the 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.920 WWE and soap operas, and so he's just like very 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:43.880 well versed in very racist, anti woman high drama. Like 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:49.080 it's just like what he it's his favorite and I 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:54.680 hate him and he's so uniquely in control of that world. 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.200 It feels very Vince mcmaonish, where you're. 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:01.640 Like, surely someone else could do this job, but it's 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:02.600 just not not allowed. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.480 If he's the Vince McMahon of the hot dog world, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.560 are what are you now in the hot talk world? 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.000 The good question, the study of hot talks. 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:19.399 I'm one of the people who Vince McMahon covers up 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:24.720 the murder of I think probably that's eventually me, I'll 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:30.280 be involved in a very small, suspicious incident in this 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.240 man's life. I don't know, I mean, yeah, unfortunately, I 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.439 feel like that's the best shot I have. It was 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.160 interesting though, when I released an excerpt of my book 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:45.000 that was about Joey Chessnutt, and they did not run 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.600 this by me, but they just named the excerpt I'm 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.320 in Love with Joey chestnut I was like, Okay, I 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:54.840 guess I do say that, but I wouldn't lead with it. Anyways, 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:00.560 the Major League Eating PR team reached out to me, 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.240 and I thought it was going to be I was 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.000 just going to get like reamed, but they it was 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:09.320 just a light fact correct. It was very weird, a 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.560 little menacing, But I guess that they're fine with me 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.879 calling them evil. They're like, hey, when you said we 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.480 were evil, your number was a little bit off, just 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:23.919 so you know. And thanks, Guss is good for us. Ye, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.920 knowledge is power, And I changed my mind. I think 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.280 they're great now due to this small fact correction. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.040 Ringing ringing endorsements. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.320 We're attempting to confirm live there is not, in fact 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.119 a gun behind Jamie's head right now. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.600 Look, I can't say, I can't say I think the 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:51.080 two things. 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:55.119 Yeah, with the book being out now, it feels nice 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.119 in most ways and then two ways where I'm like 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.560 stressed out about it where I'm like, I'm afraid that 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.880 George sha is going to come for me, and I'm 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.359 also afraid the entire city of Chicago is going to come. 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.480 Oh okay, I want to talk about this because okay, 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:08.840 all right, So I'm gonna have to go into witness 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.119 protection after this. But I agree with you that the 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.600 Chicago hot dogs not that good. Yeah, like I think 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.919 on hot dog is really good, but yeah, there's like 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.159 it doesn't it just it's it gets to soggy pretty quickly. 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:26.560 It's like the flavors don't necessarily go together, like it's 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:27.640 only okay. 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.960 It's it's it's wet and there's too much going on 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.280 and it's just like, yeah, it's a catastrophe. 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.199 I I well, okay, I. 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:40.080 Was promising myself I would dial back on Chicago hot 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:45.520 dogs slender, but it's like not, it's not it's not 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:47.639 very good and the and I think the main thing 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.720 it wouldn't bother me as much if they, uh I'm 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:57.080 like those people in Chicago. But if the Chicago hot 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.720 dog loving community was just like, hey, we have this 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.720 gross hot dog and we love it, that's fine. Unbridled 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:09.000 enthusiasm for something gross love it, but then they top 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.400 that up by being like, and if you like Ketchup, 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.479 you should walk into traffic and get hit by a car. 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.600 Like so aggressively hate Ketchup in a way that I 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:23.119 don't know. I don't love something disgusting, but hating something 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.360 innocuous is such a weird thing to do. 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:26.400 It's very bizarre. 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.080 I also got like just absolute whiplash reading this because 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:36.320 one of the places you go to is the incomprehensibly 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.920 named Fatso's Last Stand, and I was literally there last 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.040 week by accident, because I know, yeah, so I was 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.679 like an absolute fool. I was trying to travel at 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:47.399 seven am on two hours of sleep because I was 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.360 writing an episode, and I took a bust the wrong 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.199 way and I ended up there, and I was like, 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.600 what the fuck have I just walked into? And I 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.359 opened this book and I was like, oh my god, 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:57.840 what is happening to me? 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:03.280 Empty Fatso's Last Dance sounds like a very scary Liomitala. 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:07.160 It was so a cursive like I was like getting 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:08.800 off the bus and the bus driver was like, are 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:10.080 you sure you want to get off here? And I 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.439 was like yeah, like a like a. 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.280 I don't know episode. 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:17.240 It was a whole thing. 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.040 And then you find out that Patso's last dand burned 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:22.320 down twenty years ago. 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.840 Did you get anything they weren't open? 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.600 Oh, pretty good, it was. It was pretty good there. 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.159 And then I've since gone back to Chicago because I 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:35.520 didn't have time to go everywhere I wanted to, and 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.840 I've since gone back, and I do genuinely like the 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:40.520