Speaker 1: It's it could happen here. Look, I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: think of an intro for this one. I really should have.
Speaker 1: I apologized to the readers. I was reading about Chinese
Speaker 1: also weeze instead. Uh. Yeah, this is a podcast that's
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's about things.
Speaker 2: I'm here unlike all those other podcasts about.
Speaker 1: Things, and ours is actually about things. And today it's
Speaker 1: about hot dogs. And in order to talk about hot dogs,
Speaker 1: were joined by Jamie Loftus, whose new book Raw Dog,
Speaker 1: The Naked Truth about hot Dogs boldly asked the question
Speaker 1: what if a book was good? Welcome to the show, JB.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, So it's so good to be here to
Speaker 3: talk about things.
Speaker 4: This is like the thingniest thing available, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I I read this book in okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know how you're actually supposed to vide up, Like
Speaker 1: if you stand up to go to the bathroom in
Speaker 1: the middle of a sitting, is that still one sitting?
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I read this book in one sitting
Speaker 1: and it was great.
Speaker 4: One sitting with a bathroom break.
Speaker 1: I think there was two technically, but yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a good time. Yeah, And so okay, so this is
Speaker 1: this is a book that's about hot dogs and also
Speaker 1: about it's a tale of human, human and animal misery
Speaker 1: and suffering. And so as I was reading the book,
Speaker 1: my playlist pops up Daniel Connan The Painted Birds song
Speaker 1: The Butchers Share, and so I'm like reading about this,
Speaker 1: and the song starts going, Let's take a walk around
Speaker 1: the Old Bizarre, where every little thing has traveled far,
Speaker 1: every pair of pants and grain of rice contains a
Speaker 1: horror story and its price.
Speaker 4: It really really.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, Wow, Okay, I guess reality is
Speaker 1: just sort of telling me what the what the what
Speaker 1: the plot is right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean that.
Speaker 2: In another another case, I think it's really important that
Speaker 2: we're talking with us right now. Is that I believe
Speaker 2: your book was officially published on May twenty third, Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is which is the twenty third day in the
Speaker 2: fifth month, which is obviously of the year twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: which is very important in the Discordian calendar, and your
Speaker 2: books about hot dogs, which is specifically it is the
Speaker 2: one sacred food in the religion of Discordianism. So we
Speaker 2: for these reasons it's really important were talking with this
Speaker 2: because you you must be a very powerful wizard to
Speaker 2: have to have figured this out.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I had to reserve this date years in advance.
Speaker 3: I saw it coming, and you know, and then by
Speaker 3: the time people caught on.
Speaker 4: It was too late.
Speaker 3: I had already I had already wizarded my way into
Speaker 3: the most potent release date. And now I mean, it's
Speaker 3: we all may be fucked because I didn't.
Speaker 1: Someone's going to assassinate Jfkin and it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3: And this time his head is going to explode. Like
Speaker 3: there's twice as much blood in it as the original.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be really shocked the original.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 5: It's like as the original series or movies.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a second There's gonna be a second
Speaker 1: Grassy Knoll stack on top of the book depository. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing.
Speaker 4: Has Reboot Culture gone too far? You know? It's it's
Speaker 4: a good question.
Speaker 1: I was kind of I was trying to do a
Speaker 1: reboot Culture plug cycle back here thing, and I can't
Speaker 1: do it. I'm a hack and a fraud.
Speaker 4: But I wanted to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I wanted to talk to you a bit
Speaker 1: about one of the things you mentioned in the book
Speaker 1: is that you were trying to get into like like
Speaker 1: try trying to be able to get tours of these
Speaker 1: of these like packing plants, and just they just like
Speaker 1: didn't let you. So I wanted to ask a bit
Speaker 1: about like that process, because that seemed like it was
Speaker 1: incredibly chaotic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really frustrating and humiliating kind of every
Speaker 3: step of the way. Where I mean, as we were traveling,
Speaker 3: I had, you know, the map of places that I
Speaker 3: wanted to go, and then I also had a map
Speaker 3: of like meatpacking plants that we could possibly go to
Speaker 3: on the way, and so I reached out a little
Speaker 3: bit in advance and either got I mean, got a
Speaker 3: ton of just no answers. And I would try to call,
Speaker 3: but generally the excuse I was given was was, well,
Speaker 3: we don't let people tour anymore since COVID, because there
Speaker 3: were a few places I know that the Vienna Beef
Speaker 3: factory in Chicago used to do tours of very specific
Speaker 3: areas of the factory, kind of the least gnarly parts,
Speaker 3: which is saying nothing, but you know, there were places
Speaker 3: that you used to let civilians tour, and now it's
Speaker 3: just unless things have changed in the last you know,
Speaker 3: year or so, no one can and on top of
Speaker 3: that in certain states, and this is also shifting. But
Speaker 3: the AGGAG laws I think make it way less possible
Speaker 3: and appealing for any meat packing plant to allow other
Speaker 3: people in, which is true. I mean the AGAG law
Speaker 3: rabbit hole is so sinister of just like, instead of
Speaker 3: any meaningful improvement in meat packing plants, they're inventing new
Speaker 3: laws to combat UH technology, which is just like terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was a what was that? Was
Speaker 1: that technically pregreen scare?
Speaker 4: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: I just like I think I.
Speaker 6: Think it was.
Speaker 1: I think that was mostly like a mid like a
Speaker 1: mid nineties thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they've definitely kicked up.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the awareness of them in general
Speaker 3: has kicked up in the last couple of years because
Speaker 3: like in UH, sort of in step with how horrible
Speaker 3: conditions were for workers during lockdown after the executive order,
Speaker 3: I think there was like all of a sudden, a
Speaker 3: heightened interest in wanting to invest gain it, and they
Speaker 3: were just blocked at every single turn. And there are
Speaker 3: some I know that some have been overturned or in
Speaker 3: the in the process of being overturned, but.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It seems pretty bleak to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like you don't think I'd help with that, right,
Speaker 1: Like we found out like what like a look was
Speaker 1: it like a month ago, like pretty recently. Also that
Speaker 1: there were a bunch of companies, these meatpacking companies that
Speaker 1: were just like using child labor, that children were getting
Speaker 1: horribly named.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: That yeah, that was in didn't make the book, but
Speaker 3: I could have taken an educated guess, you know, like
Speaker 3: it's like often so comically bad, it feels wrong, but
Speaker 3: it's just like so over the top horrible, and it
Speaker 3: sounds like describing current meatpacking conditions in the US sounds
Speaker 3: like you're describing meatpacking conditions one hundred years ago, and
Speaker 3: they were actually slightly better one hundred years ago. So
Speaker 3: it is it is very bleak in the unions that
Speaker 3: still exist, but they are somewhat weakened and making it
Speaker 3: possible for laws like this to sneak through at active
Speaker 3: child labor. And there's I know, I put this in
Speaker 3: the book because it's something I think about all the time.
Speaker 3: Where you know, down the line, it was reported that
Speaker 3: not only was working at a meatpacking plant one of
Speaker 3: the least safe jobs in the country during lockdown but
Speaker 3: on top of that, a year later, it was revealed
Speaker 3: that the top brass at Tyson and Smithfield were directly
Speaker 3: colluding with the government and essentially drafted the drafted the
Speaker 3: executive order that was given in April twenty twenty to
Speaker 3: keep the meatpacking plants open. There were you know, foreman
Speaker 3: and sort of middle managers at these companies that would
Speaker 3: take bets on how many of their employees would get sick.
Speaker 4: It was just like it was cartoon evil.
Speaker 1: It was I'm like constantly haunted by the taking bets
Speaker 1: thing like that's you think about that like once a week,
Speaker 1: and of like I think I think your line was
Speaker 1: I think your line was like a continued think of
Speaker 1: how okay with you are? You are you with bringing
Speaker 1: the guillotine back? And I was like, you know, like this.
Speaker 7: And it's the worst when it's like middle managers, I'm like,
Speaker 7: what what is your endgame here? Like it's I mean,
Speaker 7: I know what the end game is, but it's so
Speaker 7: bleak to you know, be making you know, just getting
Speaker 7: by and still betting against your like like vulnerable people that.
Speaker 3: Work for you, who you see every day. It's just like,
Speaker 3: I mean whatever, not surprising, but yeah. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: there's no there's no justice in hot dog Land.
Speaker 4: There really is.
Speaker 5: I'm so curious about how curated what they what information
Speaker 5: is allowed to be shared, Like, I'm curious if I
Speaker 5: don't know if they know how bad it is even
Speaker 5: or if they're just like conditioned not to not to
Speaker 5: think about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, from what I can tell, there are.
Speaker 3: And I write about one at length in the book
Speaker 3: because it's one of my favorite YouTube clips of all time.
Speaker 3: This like Canadian TV show that's like a I think
Speaker 3: it's just called How It's Made.
Speaker 2: But it's like this is a very popular Canadian television show.
Speaker 1: It's I watched a kid.
Speaker 4: Really Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I love I mean I love shows like that, and
Speaker 3: I love specifically when they show you how something gross
Speaker 3: is made because they're really trying to like keep the
Speaker 3: mood light in a way that is like so funny
Speaker 3: with hot dogs, where it's like just these big machines
Speaker 3: farting out goo and then there's like this bassline playing
Speaker 3: that's like.
Speaker 4: Boom boom, boom boom. The next step in the hot
Speaker 4: dog's journey is going to the ship, and you're like what,
Speaker 4: it's so good.
Speaker 3: But it's really I mean, those those clips are ridiculously
Speaker 3: curated and to the point where it's like I can't
Speaker 3: even re tell you what's missing, but I you know,
Speaker 3: you could tell weird pr when you see it, and
Speaker 3: and yeah, like they're sort of showing the easiest I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: It reminds me. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I'm like in I'm like fharah nose pilled today, But
Speaker 3: like it reminds me of the anecdote about Elizabeth Holmes
Speaker 3: where she was like taking Joe Biden around faara and
Speaker 3: nose and then there were like people in each room
Speaker 3: setting up the next room to look like it was
Speaker 3: a functioning business as that like they were taking him
Speaker 3: through the through the rooms and successfully deceived him. That's
Speaker 3: very much what hot Dog production clips feel like to me,
Speaker 3: which is wild because they're still disgusting, like you cannot
Speaker 3: make it look good.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, going back through years of reports, it's it's
Speaker 3: really difficult, understandably so to speak with people who work
Speaker 3: at meat piking plants as well, because there's like not
Speaker 3: a lot of that they stand to gain from.
Speaker 4: Talking to reporters.
Speaker 3: But there was a good Washington Post report about it
Speaker 3: in the early two thousands that detailed not just labor
Speaker 3: abuses within the workforce, but how you know when you're
Speaker 3: not paying your employees enough and not keeping the equipment
Speaker 3: updated and are you know factory farming focused on just
Speaker 3: production production production.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: The animals are far worse off too, And there are
Speaker 3: some pretty horrifying descriptions of what would happen to animals
Speaker 3: when people didn't have the workforce or the or the
Speaker 3: tools to be able to, you know, slaughter an animal
Speaker 3: in not the most horrible way possible.
Speaker 1: I like thought I had a like i'd like watch
Speaker 1: stuff before on factory farming, and like, I don't I
Speaker 1: would have a real fun time sleeping tonight thinking about
Speaker 1: the fucking I don't know, I mean the illusion probably
Speaker 1: content wording this because this is like the addible stuff
Speaker 1: and this is genuinely horrible, like this specific yeah thing.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like them talking about like
Speaker 1: they're like stunning an animal to kill it, but then the
Speaker 1: animal comes back and they're like literally chopping the animal
Speaker 1: apart while it's alive. The animals like blinking out that
Speaker 1: like Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: It's like it's hot and then and on the workers end,
Speaker 3: it's like and don't stop or you're fired.
Speaker 4: And like and you have no protection. It's just like
Speaker 4: it's a it's a nightmare in a lot of places.
Speaker 3: And there it came around in an interesting way with
Speaker 3: at the Nathan Tatak eating contest last year, because they
Speaker 3: use I don't know if they use Smithfield plants for
Speaker 3: all of their food, but they did certainly some of them.
Speaker 4: And there was a protester who came on stage while
Speaker 4: Joey Chestnut.
Speaker 3: Was gobbling seventy five guizzies or something like that, and
Speaker 3: like the protester was like wearing a Darth Vader mask
Speaker 3: and he had this sign that said like take down
Speaker 3: the Smithfield Death Star.
Speaker 4: And it was a good, like a pretty solid protest.
Speaker 4: It made it on TV.
Speaker 3: But then Joey, who has not tackled him to the
Speaker 3: ground and then just stood up and kept eating hot dogs.
Speaker 3: It was like, I mean, the protester was so in
Speaker 3: the right, but also watching Joey really just take someone
Speaker 3: just in the middle of eating. He was like forty
Speaker 3: hot dogs deep tackled this guy to the ground and
Speaker 3: on like the low res feed, I was watching it
Speaker 3: looked like he killed him, and I was like, what
Speaker 3: did Joey just do on ESPN?
Speaker 4: Did he just kill a man?
Speaker 3: He didn't, but he injured someone and he also had
Speaker 3: a broken leg at the time. Joey not the protester,
Speaker 3: So it was just like then he went back, very
Speaker 3: very bizarre, and then he yeah, and then he finished
Speaker 3: the contest and he was like, well, I would have
Speaker 3: beat my own record, but unfortunately I had to pause
Speaker 3: for five seconds to kill someone. But anyways, Yeah, the
Speaker 3: especially Smithfield, I think is uniquely bad. But Smithfield enticson
Speaker 3: it's just like her, like horrendous with with labor practices.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that was like I had
Speaker 1: a thing I was gonna say, and then it simply
Speaker 1: evaporated from my mind. Uh you know what, fucking and
Speaker 1: break to cover up my failures.
Speaker 2: I keep having this like false memory. I feel like
Speaker 2: it's like it's a ling Mendela effect thing where when
Speaker 2: everyone says whenever someone says Joey Chestnut, I keep I
Speaker 2: keep thinking it's a character from I think you should leave.
Speaker 2: But whenever I look at them, like no, every single time,
Speaker 2: I mean, it does.
Speaker 3: Sound like that, and I think you should Leave has
Speaker 3: such god tear hot dog jokes that Joey should be
Speaker 3: on that show, but unfortunately he lacks charisma, and.
Speaker 1: So he also sees a person.
Speaker 6: He is.
Speaker 4: He's definitely complicit in a number of things.
Speaker 3: Very hard to know what Joey's politics are, which I
Speaker 3: know is intentional, but I'm like, what's going on with him?
Speaker 3: He's from San Diego but now he lives in Indiana.
Speaker 3: I just don't feel like it bodes well, but I
Speaker 3: can't say for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know. That was another part of this
Speaker 1: that I was like, I was reading this and especially
Speaker 1: like given the shit that's been happening the last few weeks,
Speaker 1: reading about to Kyu Kobyashi, the former champion competitive eating
Speaker 1: eating guy, coming to the US, and then like having
Speaker 1: the very combination American experience of like coming to the
Speaker 1: US and then slowly realizing, holy shit, this place sucks ass,
Speaker 1: Like there's just a bunch of racist here and they
Speaker 1: hate us, and my boss is going to like run
Speaker 1: a racist pr campaign against me for money, like.
Speaker 3: Like mask off like every day all the time, And
Speaker 3: here's the guy I'm going to be replacing you with,
Speaker 3: and you will be only abused until this guy can
Speaker 3: beat you and then goodbye forever, and that's what happened.
Speaker 4: It's so I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it's fascinating in a very sick way because
Speaker 3: it's like he is just hot Dog Vince McMahon, like
Speaker 3: absolutely who this guy is and clearly idolizes Vince McMahon,
Speaker 3: the guy George Shay like his wife wrote for the
Speaker 3: WWE and soap operas, and so he's just like very
Speaker 3: well versed in very racist, anti woman high drama. Like
Speaker 3: it's just like what he it's his favorite and I
Speaker 3: hate him and he's so uniquely in control of that world.
Speaker 4: It feels very Vince mcmaonish, where you're.
Speaker 3: Like, surely someone else could do this job, but it's
Speaker 3: just not not allowed.
Speaker 2: If he's the Vince McMahon of the hot dog world,
Speaker 2: are what are you now in the hot talk world?
Speaker 2: The good question, the study of hot talks.
Speaker 3: I'm one of the people who Vince McMahon covers up
Speaker 3: the murder of I think probably that's eventually me, I'll
Speaker 3: be involved in a very small, suspicious incident in this
Speaker 3: man's life. I don't know, I mean, yeah, unfortunately, I
Speaker 3: feel like that's the best shot I have. It was
Speaker 3: interesting though, when I released an excerpt of my book
Speaker 3: that was about Joey Chessnutt, and they did not run
Speaker 3: this by me, but they just named the excerpt I'm
Speaker 3: in Love with Joey chestnut I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 3: guess I do say that, but I wouldn't lead with it. Anyways,
Speaker 3: the Major League Eating PR team reached out to me,
Speaker 3: and I thought it was going to be I was
Speaker 3: just going to get like reamed, but they it was
Speaker 3: just a light fact correct. It was very weird, a
Speaker 3: little menacing, But I guess that they're fine with me
Speaker 3: calling them evil. They're like, hey, when you said we
Speaker 3: were evil, your number was a little bit off, just
Speaker 3: so you know. And thanks, Guss is good for us. Ye,
Speaker 3: knowledge is power, And I changed my mind. I think
Speaker 3: they're great now due to this small fact correction.
Speaker 2: Ringing ringing endorsements.
Speaker 1: We're attempting to confirm live there is not, in fact
Speaker 1: a gun behind Jamie's head right now.
Speaker 4: Look, I can't say, I can't say I think the
Speaker 4: two things.
Speaker 8: Yeah, with the book being out now, it feels nice
Speaker 8: in most ways and then two ways where I'm like
Speaker 8: stressed out about it where I'm like, I'm afraid that
Speaker 8: George sha is going to come for me, and I'm
Speaker 8: also afraid the entire city of Chicago is going to come.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I want to talk about this because okay,
Speaker 1: all right, So I'm gonna have to go into witness
Speaker 1: protection after this. But I agree with you that the
Speaker 1: Chicago hot dogs not that good. Yeah, like I think
Speaker 1: on hot dog is really good, but yeah, there's like
Speaker 1: it doesn't it just it's it gets to soggy pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: It's like the flavors don't necessarily go together, like it's
Speaker 1: only okay.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's wet and there's too much going on
Speaker 3: and it's just like, yeah, it's a catastrophe.
Speaker 4: I I well, okay, I.
Speaker 3: Was promising myself I would dial back on Chicago hot
Speaker 3: dogs slender, but it's like not, it's not it's not
Speaker 3: very good and the and I think the main thing
Speaker 3: it wouldn't bother me as much if they, uh I'm
Speaker 3: like those people in Chicago. But if the Chicago hot
Speaker 3: dog loving community was just like, hey, we have this
Speaker 3: gross hot dog and we love it, that's fine. Unbridled
Speaker 3: enthusiasm for something gross love it, but then they top
Speaker 3: that up by being like, and if you like Ketchup,
Speaker 3: you should walk into traffic and get hit by a car.
Speaker 3: Like so aggressively hate Ketchup in a way that I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't love something disgusting, but hating something
Speaker 3: innocuous is such a weird thing to do.
Speaker 4: It's very bizarre.
Speaker 1: I also got like just absolute whiplash reading this because
Speaker 1: one of the places you go to is the incomprehensibly
Speaker 1: named Fatso's Last Stand, and I was literally there last
Speaker 1: week by accident, because I know, yeah, so I was
Speaker 1: like an absolute fool. I was trying to travel at
Speaker 1: seven am on two hours of sleep because I was
Speaker 1: writing an episode, and I took a bust the wrong
Speaker 1: way and I ended up there, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck have I just walked into? And I
Speaker 1: opened this book and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what is happening to me?
Speaker 3: Empty Fatso's Last Dance sounds like a very scary Liomitala.
Speaker 1: It was so a cursive like I was like getting
Speaker 1: off the bus and the bus driver was like, are
Speaker 1: you sure you want to get off here? And I
Speaker 1: was like yeah, like a like a.
Speaker 5: I don't know episode.
Speaker 1: It was a whole thing.
Speaker 3: And then you find out that Patso's last dand burned
Speaker 3: down twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Did you get anything they weren't open?
Speaker 4: Oh, pretty good, it was. It was pretty good there.
Speaker 3: And then I've since gone back to Chicago because I
Speaker 3: didn't have time to go everywhere I wanted to, and
Speaker 3: I've since gone back, and I do genuinely like the
Speaker 3: Chicago style hot dog at.
Speaker 4: Red Hot Ranch. I'm a big Red Hot Ranch head.
Speaker 4: I've converted.
Speaker 3: But a lot of it is, Yeah, it's just bizarre,
Speaker 3: and the hating the ketchup thing is confusing. And then
Speaker 3: I went to Pittsburgh recently and their Ketchup City USA,
Speaker 3: and so I was having some interesting conversation and yeah,
Speaker 3: this is what my life is like now, I think.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's there's two more various like hot dog
Speaker 1: questions you need to ask. One is do you have
Speaker 1: portillo takes?
Speaker 4: Ooh not really?
Speaker 3: I like I like Portillo's and I've been in Illinois
Speaker 3: and I've been in California too.
Speaker 4: It's a classic.
Speaker 3: It's good it didn't it didn't make it into the
Speaker 3: book because there was like so many hot dogs that
Speaker 3: didn't make it into the book because they're like, all right,
Speaker 3: that's just you saying like there were so many paragraphs
Speaker 3: in a row, like and then I had this one
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 4: Liked it, and then I had this one and I
Speaker 4: liked it. So my editor was like, all right, we.
Speaker 3: Can, we can cut, but yeah, we can. I had
Speaker 3: to cut whole chapters. It's so wild how long this
Speaker 3: book could have been. Where I not rained in but
Speaker 3: there was well this is Chicago relevant too. I took
Speaker 3: a two day course called hot Dog University through Vienna
Speaker 3: Beef from this guy.
Speaker 5: The thing I'm gonna you beat that for me.
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh yeah, I'm a graduate of hot Dog University.
Speaker 3: It's a course where you It was on zoom. Unfortunately
Speaker 3: it used to be in person. This is this guy
Speaker 3: Mark PhD, Professor hot Dogs, and you take the course
Speaker 3: and he teaches you how to open your own hot
Speaker 3: dog stand and over the course of two days, and
Speaker 3: it was actually I learned a lot.
Speaker 5: How many people were on the zoom.
Speaker 4: There are three people.
Speaker 3: It was me and two guys from Chicago, and I
Speaker 3: was trying to like be I didn't want to say
Speaker 3: why I was there, so I was trying to like, Oh,
Speaker 3: my name's Jamie and I'm interested in opening a California
Speaker 3: hot dog stand.
Speaker 4: And Mark was really interested in an idea.
Speaker 3: And it was a couple months of me kind of
Speaker 3: like daudging some emails of like, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 4: I never told them, but I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So all right, I need to I got. I'm
Speaker 1: now conflicted because I have a great hot dog stand pivot.
Speaker 1: But also I want to ask you the second hot
Speaker 1: dog question, which is have you had Japa dogs?
Speaker 3: No, I haven't had Jappa dogs yet. I wanted to
Speaker 3: go because I know that there's like a bunch of
Speaker 3: there's some Vancouver. Is that right, Like I know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Canada coated.
Speaker 1: My friend in Vancouver keeps insisting I eat it, and
Speaker 1: I refuse.
Speaker 3: I wanted to go to Vancouver and try it because
Speaker 3: like Northwestern hot dogs, there's like there's a lot going
Speaker 3: on there in a good way, like Portland, Seattle, big
Speaker 3: fan of their hot dogs. Yeah, I didn't get to
Speaker 3: jap a dog. There are a few places. There was
Speaker 3: a place in Maine I really wanted to go to,
Speaker 3: but it was so on the side of the highway
Speaker 3: and open two hours a day. That it was like
Speaker 3: it would be so logistically hard to be there, but
Speaker 3: working on it. Yeah, I want to go to Jappa
Speaker 3: Dogs someday.
Speaker 4: I went to.
Speaker 3: I got hot dog poutine in Montreal recently, which I
Speaker 3: guess is a common poutine make.
Speaker 4: It was great.
Speaker 2: So now that you've dedicated I'm guessing multiple years of
Speaker 2: your life two years?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, not getting those back.
Speaker 2: I guess it's studying about hot dogs and like the
Speaker 2: cultural conditions that are created around them. Do you feel
Speaker 2: like a better person.
Speaker 4: Ooh?
Speaker 2: Or have you learned something extremely useful about American culture
Speaker 2: that will improve your life going forward?
Speaker 4: Thank you for to alternatives to the question.
Speaker 3: I would say that knowing more about hot dogs didn't
Speaker 3: make me a better person. I think, I hope, And
Speaker 3: I also I think that like I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: like it feels better to or I don't know, I
Speaker 3: enjoy my stuff that it's like you can get to
Speaker 3: a really dark and serious place, but they seem so innocuous.
Speaker 3: It's like whatever, and getting Hansel and Gretel to.
Speaker 4: Come into you or Candy House and then being like,
Speaker 4: actually it's sucking murder City.
Speaker 3: Everyone's fucked in here, like you're gonna have fun for
Speaker 3: a little while the food is delicious, but then you're
Speaker 3: gonna die. Like I just I like I like subjects
Speaker 3: like that and getting to I don't know, I've met
Speaker 3: genuinely when we had the book release show the other night.
Speaker 3: I've met so many nice people through the hot dog community, my.
Speaker 5: My dog community.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 3: I had this guy I met in a parking lot
Speaker 3: in Culver City. He was a wienermobile driver at the time,
Speaker 3: and he like brought us yance and we talked on
Speaker 3: stage and he was reflecting on his Wienermobile heyday and
Speaker 3: he told me this, Oh I'm excited because at the
Speaker 3: time he was still working for Oscar Meyer.
Speaker 4: And I was like, do people have sex in here?
Speaker 3: And he was like, I don't know, probably, but now
Speaker 3: he doesn't work for Oscar Myers.
Speaker 4: I was like, do people have sex in there?
Speaker 3: You have no loyalty at this point, and he was like, okay,
Speaker 3: well I never did.
Speaker 4: But there is like there's like six.
Speaker 3: Seats in the waitermobile, and I guess on the back
Speaker 3: left it's called the.
Speaker 4: Meat seat, and that's where the fuck the meat seats.
Speaker 3: I know it was really it was really shocking, and
Speaker 3: he's so sweet that it was really scary to hear
Speaker 3: it coming out of his mouth.
Speaker 4: So there is the meat seat. Anyways, I've made a.
Speaker 3: Lot of nice I've met a lot of nice people
Speaker 3: through hot dogs, and I've learned the stuff I did
Speaker 3: not know.
Speaker 4: So it's fun.
Speaker 2: Well, you too can become a better person by purchasing
Speaker 2: the book Rock Talk wherever books are sold. What actual
Speaker 2: serious question? Have you ever watched the movie Food Fight?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 8: When?
Speaker 3: When?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 2: From the twenty twelve computer animated movie starring starring supermarket
Speaker 2: food mascots that they and they unite to fight the
Speaker 2: generic brand food products in their grocery store. And there's
Speaker 2: a lot of really weird not see imagery, really uncomfortable
Speaker 2: like over sexualization and some of the most some of
Speaker 2: the mostish animation you've ever seen. It's a pretty wild movie.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was a development for like it was like almost
Speaker 2: like a decade and a half.
Speaker 3: Early Evil Longoria, Hillary Duff, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Christer Lloyd Plays Plays plays one of the villains.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 2: It is one of the worst like acid trips of
Speaker 2: a movie, just because of like it is just really bad.
Speaker 2: But I have zero records predominantly features dogs, so.
Speaker 3: I mean hot dogs are certainly prominent on this post there.
Speaker 3: I was just like shocked at them billing the starkest
Speaker 3: tuna above the twinkie.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: Also, there is there is there is a dog character
Speaker 2: who's just like Indiana Jones, but a dog that is
Speaker 2: also like but also in a romantic relationship with a
Speaker 2: human woman.
Speaker 4: I don't want to know where the Nazi stuff comes in,
Speaker 4: but I am.
Speaker 3: This is so wild because it's like I thought that
Speaker 3: sausage Party was the worst thing to happen to this
Speaker 3: very scary genre, and it.
Speaker 2: Just like this is like the dark side of sausage party.
Speaker 4: No, oh my god. Oh and there's a maybe there's
Speaker 4: a sequel food fight. It's about time.
Speaker 2: I've not heard of this.
Speaker 4: Oh maybe this is fake. No, maybe this is fake.
Speaker 4: I hope it's fake. This is so ugly holy.
Speaker 1: No, it is.
Speaker 2: It is one of the the worst movies ever ever made.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's garish, it's upsetting, it is weirdly fascistic,
Speaker 2: and it's also like primarily based around like brand promotion.
Speaker 2: Also a lot of these big food companies like signed
Speaker 2: these contracts in the late nineties, and of course the
Speaker 2: film didn't come out until twenty twelve.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of really weird, like food fight
Speaker 2: merchandise that was made with all of these brand mascots,
Speaker 2: and it's all extremely questionable.
Speaker 3: That does explain the cast, yeah, because it was like,
Speaker 3: it's a late nineties cast to have Wayne Brady playing
Speaker 3: Daredevil band Christopher Lloyd playing mister Clipboard Chris Catan.
Speaker 5: Isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this movie has been in development for a long time.
Speaker 1: Wow, holy shit.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I was just wondering since it is it is
Speaker 2: supermarket food hot dog adjacent, and it does does often
Speaker 2: draw draw parallels to Sage Party, which is also obviously
Speaker 2: one of the most famous hot dog.
Speaker 8: Films, one of the most famous films I have.
Speaker 4: I've been wearing them at the shows I have.
Speaker 3: They did make Halloween costumes for Sausage Party, and they
Speaker 3: have the bun that looks so visceral like the like
Speaker 3: it has like vagina mouse, and then they gave the
Speaker 3: bun huge boobs and a huge butt. Anyways, she's voiced
Speaker 3: by Kristin Wig and I have the costume and I've
Speaker 3: been wearing it.
Speaker 1: You have the actual costume.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have, and it's it's.
Speaker 5: You're wearing it for your book stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love. I love a costume change, especially when it
Speaker 3: is also a jump scare.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's incredibly upsetting. That's about all the time
Speaker 2: we have today, though, Jamie.
Speaker 1: Where can people find the hot Dog Book?
Speaker 3: Oh? You can find it all over the place, but
Speaker 3: I would recommend getting it from bookshop dot org if.
Speaker 4: You're ordering online.
Speaker 3: It's a really cool website that will automatically purchase from
Speaker 3: your nearest independent.
Speaker 4: Bookstore and send it to you.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a pro labor book, So don't buy
Speaker 3: it from somewhere shitty, use your head, but yeah, get it.
Speaker 4: And there's also I also narrate the audience book.
Speaker 3: If you like many people have been telling me for
Speaker 3: the past couple of days, or like a book kind
Speaker 3: of a long podcast in a way, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, sure, it feels great.
Speaker 4: It feels great to hear.
Speaker 1: And where can people find you on the internet? And
Speaker 1: the stuff that you also do that's not the Hotdog Book.
Speaker 3: Bravely still on Twitter at Jamie loftus help and instagram
Speaker 3: at Jamie christ Superstar and then you can listen to
Speaker 3: me on the Bechdel Cast every week on this very network.
Speaker 2: Well, I sure hope you cover food Fight in an
Speaker 2: upcoming episode.
Speaker 3: We just covered Sausage Party, and I think we both
Speaker 3: have PTSD, So you have.
Speaker 1: Like a de talks period first.
Speaker 3: And then come back with food Fight and by the
Speaker 3: end be like, you know, Sausage Party.
Speaker 1: This is the one you do when the paperback comes out.
Speaker 4: Honestly nice, not the worst idea. I do want to
Speaker 4: watch this movie now, but I like looking at the poster.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know if I can watch it alone,
Speaker 4: but I will watch it.
Speaker 2: We can, we can surely plan something.
Speaker 4: Let's do it, all right.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for coming on and talking about
Speaker 2: hot dogs and labor and all of all of your
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