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Speaker 1: The Naked Truth about hot Dogs boldly asked the question

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Speaker 4: This is like the thingniest thing available, I think.

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Speaker 4: Look, I can't say, I can't say I think the

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Speaker 8: Yeah, with the book being out now, it feels nice

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Speaker 3: why I was there, so I was trying to like, Oh,

443
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Speaker 3: my name's Jamie and I'm interested in opening a California

444
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Speaker 3: hot dog stand.

445
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 4: And Mark was really interested in an idea.

446
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 3: And it was a couple months of me kind of

447
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 3: like daudging some emails of like, I'm not going to

448
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Speaker 3: do it.

449
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 4: I never told them, but I'm not going to do it.

450
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So all right, I need to I got. I'm

451
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: now conflicted because I have a great hot dog stand pivot.

452
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: But also I want to ask you the second hot

453
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Speaker 1: dog question, which is have you had Japa dogs?

454
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Speaker 3: No, I haven't had Jappa dogs yet. I wanted to

455
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Speaker 3: go because I know that there's like a bunch of

456
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 3: there's some Vancouver. Is that right, Like I know, yeah, yeah,

457
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 3: Canada coated.

458
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: My friend in Vancouver keeps insisting I eat it, and

459
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: I refuse.

460
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Speaker 3: I wanted to go to Vancouver and try it because

461
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 3: like Northwestern hot dogs, there's like there's a lot going

462
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 3: on there in a good way, like Portland, Seattle, big

463
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 3: fan of their hot dogs. Yeah, I didn't get to

464
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: jap a dog. There are a few places. There was

465
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Speaker 3: a place in Maine I really wanted to go to,

466
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: but it was so on the side of the highway

467
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 3: and open two hours a day. That it was like

468
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 3: it would be so logistically hard to be there, but

469
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: working on it. Yeah, I want to go to Jappa

470
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 3: Dogs someday.

471
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 4: I went to.

472
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Speaker 3: I got hot dog poutine in Montreal recently, which I

473
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Speaker 3: guess is a common poutine make.

474
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 4: It was great.

475
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: So now that you've dedicated I'm guessing multiple years of

476
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: your life two years?

477
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, not getting those back.

478
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: I guess it's studying about hot dogs and like the

479
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: cultural conditions that are created around them. Do you feel

480
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 2: like a better person.

481
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 4: Ooh?

482
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: Or have you learned something extremely useful about American culture

483
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: that will improve your life going forward?

484
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: Thank you for to alternatives to the question.

485
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: I would say that knowing more about hot dogs didn't

486
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: make me a better person. I think, I hope, And

487
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 3: I also I think that like I don't know, it's

488
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 3: like it feels better to or I don't know, I

489
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: enjoy my stuff that it's like you can get to

490
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: a really dark and serious place, but they seem so innocuous.

491
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: It's like whatever, and getting Hansel and Gretel to.

492
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 4: Come into you or Candy House and then being like,

493
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 4: actually it's sucking murder City.

494
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: Everyone's fucked in here, like you're gonna have fun for

495
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: a little while the food is delicious, but then you're

496
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: gonna die. Like I just I like I like subjects

497
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: like that and getting to I don't know, I've met

498
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 3: genuinely when we had the book release show the other night.

499
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 3: I've met so many nice people through the hot dog community, my.

500
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 5: My dog community.

501
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: It's true.

502
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: I had this guy I met in a parking lot

503
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: in Culver City. He was a wienermobile driver at the time,

504
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: and he like brought us yance and we talked on

505
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: stage and he was reflecting on his Wienermobile heyday and

506
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 3: he told me this, Oh I'm excited because at the

507
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: time he was still working for Oscar Meyer.

508
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 4: And I was like, do people have sex in here?

509
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 3: And he was like, I don't know, probably, but now

510
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: he doesn't work for Oscar Myers.

511
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: I was like, do people have sex in there?

512
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: You have no loyalty at this point, and he was like, okay,

513
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: well I never did.

514
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 4: But there is like there's like six.

515
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: Seats in the waitermobile, and I guess on the back

516
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: left it's called the.

517
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 4: Meat seat, and that's where the fuck the meat seats.

518
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: I know it was really it was really shocking, and

519
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: he's so sweet that it was really scary to hear

520
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: it coming out of his mouth.

521
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: So there is the meat seat. Anyways, I've made a.

522
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: Lot of nice I've met a lot of nice people

523
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: through hot dogs, and I've learned the stuff I did

524
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: not know.

525
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: So it's fun.

526
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: Well, you too can become a better person by purchasing

527
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: the book Rock Talk wherever books are sold. What actual

528
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: serious question? Have you ever watched the movie Food Fight?

529
00:27:59,640 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: No?

530
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 4: Wait?

531
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 8: When?

532
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: When?

533
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 4: Is it?

534
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: From the twenty twelve computer animated movie starring starring supermarket

535
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: food mascots that they and they unite to fight the

536
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: generic brand food products in their grocery store. And there's

537
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: a lot of really weird not see imagery, really uncomfortable

538
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: like over sexualization and some of the most some of

539
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: the mostish animation you've ever seen. It's a pretty wild movie.

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00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: It was.

541
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Speaker 2: It was a development for like it was like almost

542
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: like a decade and a half.

543
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: Early Evil Longoria, Hillary Duff, Oh.

544
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Christer Lloyd Plays Plays plays one of the villains.

545
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 6: It is.

546
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: It is one of the worst like acid trips of

547
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: a movie, just because of like it is just really bad.

548
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: But I have zero records predominantly features dogs, so.

549
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: I mean hot dogs are certainly prominent on this post there.

550
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: I was just like shocked at them billing the starkest

551
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: tuna above the twinkie.

552
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense to me.

553
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: Also, there is there is there is a dog character

554
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: who's just like Indiana Jones, but a dog that is

555
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: also like but also in a romantic relationship with a

556
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: human woman.

557
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: I don't want to know where the Nazi stuff comes in,

558
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: but I am.

559
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: This is so wild because it's like I thought that

560
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: sausage Party was the worst thing to happen to this

561
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: very scary genre, and it.

562
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: Just like this is like the dark side of sausage party.

563
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 4: No, oh my god. Oh and there's a maybe there's

564
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: a sequel food fight. It's about time.

565
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: I've not heard of this.

566
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: Oh maybe this is fake. No, maybe this is fake.

567
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: I hope it's fake. This is so ugly holy.

568
00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: No, it is.

569
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Speaker 2: It is one of the the worst movies ever ever made.

570
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's garish, it's upsetting, it is weirdly fascistic,

571
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: and it's also like primarily based around like brand promotion.

572
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: Also a lot of these big food companies like signed

573
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: these contracts in the late nineties, and of course the

574
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: film didn't come out until twenty twelve.

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00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

576
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of really weird, like food fight

577
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: merchandise that was made with all of these brand mascots,

578
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: and it's all extremely questionable.

579
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: That does explain the cast, yeah, because it was like,

580
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 3: it's a late nineties cast to have Wayne Brady playing

581
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: Daredevil band Christopher Lloyd playing mister Clipboard Chris Catan.

582
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 5: Isn't it.

583
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, this movie has been in development for a long time.

584
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: Wow, holy shit.

585
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 2: Anyway, I was just wondering since it is it is

586
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: supermarket food hot dog adjacent, and it does does often

587
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: draw draw parallels to Sage Party, which is also obviously

588
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: one of the most famous hot dog.

589
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 8: Films, one of the most famous films I have.

590
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: I've been wearing them at the shows I have.

591
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: They did make Halloween costumes for Sausage Party, and they

592
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: have the bun that looks so visceral like the like

593
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: it has like vagina mouse, and then they gave the

594
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: bun huge boobs and a huge butt. Anyways, she's voiced

595
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: by Kristin Wig and I have the costume and I've

596
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 3: been wearing it.

597
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: You have the actual costume.

598
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have, and it's it's.

599
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 5: You're wearing it for your book stuff.

600
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

601
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: I love. I love a costume change, especially when it

602
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: is also a jump scare.

603
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

604
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow.

605
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's incredibly upsetting. That's about all the time

606
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: we have today, though, Jamie.

607
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: Where can people find the hot Dog Book?

608
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: Oh? You can find it all over the place, but

609
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: I would recommend getting it from bookshop dot org if.

610
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 4: You're ordering online.

611
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: It's a really cool website that will automatically purchase from

612
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: your nearest independent.

613
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 4: Bookstore and send it to you.

614
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a pro labor book, So don't buy

615
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: it from somewhere shitty, use your head, but yeah, get it.

616
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 4: And there's also I also narrate the audience book.

617
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: If you like many people have been telling me for

618
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: the past couple of days, or like a book kind

619
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: of a long podcast in a way, and it's.

620
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: Like, oh, sure, it feels great.

621
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 4: It feels great to hear.

622
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: And where can people find you on the internet? And

623
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: the stuff that you also do that's not the Hotdog Book.

624
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: Bravely still on Twitter at Jamie loftus help and instagram

625
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: at Jamie christ Superstar and then you can listen to

626
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: me on the Bechdel Cast every week on this very network.

627
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: Well, I sure hope you cover food Fight in an

628
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Speaker 2: upcoming episode.

629
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: We just covered Sausage Party, and I think we both

630
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: have PTSD, So you have.

631
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: Like a de talks period first.

632
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: And then come back with food Fight and by the

633
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: end be like, you know, Sausage Party.

634
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Speaker 1: This is the one you do when the paperback comes out.

635
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: Honestly nice, not the worst idea. I do want to

636
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: watch this movie now, but I like looking at the poster.

637
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know if I can watch it alone,

638
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: but I will watch it.

639
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: We can, we can surely plan something.

640
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 4: Let's do it, all right.

641
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for coming on and talking about

642
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: hot dogs and labor and all of all of your

643
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: hard work. You can find us on cool Zone me

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Speaker 2: on most of the Instagrams and twitters and other places.

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Speaker 6: As they say, as they say, yes, it could happen

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