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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker and I am

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Speaker 2: here of course with Courtney Armstrong and Body Movin.

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Speaker 3: Ladies.

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Speaker 2: I hope you had a great weekend because we made

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Speaker 2: it to Scientific Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Whoo, we're here.

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Speaker 5: Joseph and I were just talking about kinetic energy in

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Speaker 5: the brand like right before the show.

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Speaker 4: We really are into Scientific Sunday here and the brains

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Speaker 4: are real.

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Speaker 2: So nobody listening had a fantastic a fantastic weekend as well.

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Speaker 2: Either way, We're glad you're here because it's Sunday, October fifth,

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Speaker 2: and we have a stack night of headlines. Joseph Scott

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Speaker 2: Morgan is joining us for the first couple of segments

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Speaker 2: to talk all things about the David pop Star case

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Speaker 2: and of course Celes Revas and if there's been some

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Speaker 2: new developments but also some some developments that we're not

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Speaker 2: quite sure about that we're glad that Joseph is here

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Speaker 2: to kind of unpack with us. Also, that developing story

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Speaker 2: in New Jersey about this seventeen year old allegedly ran

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Speaker 2: down two teens for vengeance, which is horrifying again developing

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Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly allegedly and jury's election for accused husband killer

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Speaker 2: Sarah Hartsfield has begun and that is a trial we'll

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Speaker 2: be following very closely. So, ladies, Joseph, let's go body,

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Speaker 2: You take it first.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, David, So while you know, Joseph joins us every Sunday,

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Speaker 5: and so here's what we do.

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Speaker 4: We gather up all the stuff all.

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Speaker 5: Week long and we save it, right, we save it

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Speaker 5: for when we have Joseph in Today's that day with David,

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Speaker 5: while Joseph was away, a couple things came out right,

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Speaker 5: the idea that she wasn't pregnant. They did some sort

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Speaker 5: of test and determined that Celes Revas Hernandez was not pregnant,

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Speaker 5: nor was she pregnant for the previous year. And we

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Speaker 5: talked about it a little bit, and I had kind

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Speaker 5: of opined that, oh, well, maybe her body is in

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Speaker 5: a much better state than we maybe originally anticipated. That

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Speaker 5: they were able to do this hormonal test, and we

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Speaker 5: figured today would be a great day to talk about

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Speaker 5: that test and what it means, if anything, with Joseph. Joseph,

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Speaker 5: what can you tell us about this pregnancy test, this

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Speaker 5: hormonal test that they do.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, if it is in fact a hormonal test,

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Speaker 6: there are certain hormones that the female body produces in

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Speaker 6: the midst of pregnancy, you know, kind of the lead up,

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Speaker 6: if you will, fortifying not only the mom but also

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Speaker 6: the all is to be born. But here's what I'm thinking,

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Speaker 6: and I think that we might have a clue here

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Speaker 6: relative to condition of body. During my time working in

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Speaker 6: in there, doing close to seventh assistant and close to

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Speaker 6: seven thousand autopsies, we commonly did not do hormonal testing.

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Speaker 6: And what we did, however, is what's called a gross examination.

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Speaker 6: And gross is not in the terms of like ooh,

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Speaker 6: think that this is key is that if in fact

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Speaker 6: could visualize her uterus, which is something that we standard

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Speaker 6: and every autopsy involved in female remains, they would have

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Speaker 6: been able to deduce obviously that she may have been

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Speaker 6: carer a child. And secondly, I think that a lot

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Speaker 6: and let me kind of explain how this works. So

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Speaker 6: these sections are taking the actual interior, the lining of

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Speaker 6: My suspicion is that even if she was without child,

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Speaker 6: they would have done these histological examinations, which merely means tissue,

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Speaker 6: and if there were no changes there, then that would

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Speaker 7: We're talking about fourteen year olds. Less Revus Hernandez. She

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Speaker 7: was found deceased in the front trunk of a tesla.

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Speaker 7: That tesla was registered to singer David. This was the

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Speaker 7: last month and it happened after nearly seventeen months of

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Speaker 7: her initial disappearance. As of right now, the Los Angeles

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Speaker 7: It has not been officially deemed a homicide. And Joseph

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Speaker 7: Scott Morgan, our forensic expert, is of course filling us

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Speaker 7: That it was publicly displayed that she was not pregnant

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Speaker 2: And is that rumor? Like where did this start in

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Speaker 2: the first place. I mean, again, it just kind of

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Speaker 2: that can really confuse or interrupt an investigation. Again, and

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Speaker 2: family members they watched the news as well, So imagine

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Speaker 2: and that really does shift the narrative in a lot

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you have to be careful and what you

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Speaker 5: he is, what was the motive? And I think one

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Speaker 5: of the things that people were saying was that seless

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Speaker 5: was probably pregnant, right, And then it came out that

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Speaker 5: So what happens is I think a lot of times

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Speaker 5: people do this for engagement, right, Like It's like it's

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Speaker 5: kind of like rage bait a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: If I post the most crazy story and get enough

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Speaker 5: maybe some Facebook stars or some super chats on YouTube,

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Speaker 5: whatever it ends up being, to continually talk about this.

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Speaker 4: That's what I think. I don't know for sure, but.

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Speaker 6: Oh, can I address that just for one second? You know,

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Speaker 6: obviously the world that I'm in, I address some of

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Speaker 6: the most heinous things that you can possibly imagine, all Right,

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Speaker 6: And with that said, people have no shame as to

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Speaker 6: kind of harm this could do to this young She's

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Speaker 6: a child, all right, and it doesn't matter. You know

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Speaker 6: what they might say if they can get this these cliques,

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Speaker 6: it's really quite horrible. We just don't have all of

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Speaker 2: It's also human behavior to want to fill in the

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Speaker 2: or ill intended. People are curious and they want to

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that kind of goes in with like

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Speaker 5: this whole dismemberment situation. So early on we learned that

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Speaker 5: Celeste or they had found a decomposing body in the

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Speaker 5: But when you look that information, we've never really heard

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Speaker 5: It looks like with TMZ and or the New York

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Speaker 5: the same article it also says she was wearing black leggings.

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Speaker 5: So there's a lot of like information that doesn't make it.

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Speaker 5: What an interesting what an interesting point? Yeah, it's very interesting.

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Speaker 5: So you kind of wonder at this point, was she

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Speaker 5: really dismembered or was it just maybe somebody, this one

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Speaker 5: maybe relaying misinformation and we don't know because we haven't

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's very intriguing. There's a termined law that refers

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Speaker 6: many times people that engage in this post mortal activity

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Speaker 6: Dismemberment is actually an action word. And so it's interesting

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Speaker 6: So wherever PMZ or New York Times is getting this

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Speaker 6: the body is in plastic. It's been dismissed.

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Speaker 2: A torso and ahead is a very specific image.

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Speaker 6: It really really is. Yeah, the fact that they mentioned

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Speaker 2: Feeling that way, everybody who's listening to this and here's

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Speaker 2: that I would imagine would have that same queue. And

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Speaker 2: it's an assumption in that regard, right.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 5: The New York The La Times article goes on to

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Speaker 5: been deceased inside the vehicle for an extended period of

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Speaker 5: time before being found. We are unable to termine her age, race,

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Speaker 5: or ethnicity. The scedent was wearing a tube top, black

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Speaker 5: leggings size small. She has wavy black hair. Jewelry includes

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Speaker 5: yellow metal stud ear rings and yellow metal chain bracelet.

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Speaker 5: So that to me, you know, she's wearing a bracelet, Okay,

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Speaker 5: she's wearing leggings, like it implies.

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Speaker 4: To me that that she's whole. Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I could be wrong, I could be right.

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Speaker 6: No, that's a great pick up. And plus they said,

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Speaker 6: what was it you said, body is about rings? She

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Speaker 6: had rings?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no metal stud ear rings.

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Speaker 6: Metal stud ear rings, so.

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong, Body Move In and Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 7: Start absolutely and I want to start with a trigger warning,

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Speaker 5: Give us a call eighty eight thirty one crime or

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Speaker 6: I think, the state, if you will. They had zeroed

436
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 6: in on her, and a lot of that goes goes

437
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 6: to her activity post attack, because first off, they use

438
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 6: these instruments to desecrate her remains and probably desecrate her

439
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 6: in life. To a pentagram is involved. Oh my gosh,

440
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 6: I'll put it to you that way. That was left

441
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 6: behind and obviously the attack with me clearer. But here

442
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 6: here's the other thing. The utility that they used to

443
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 6: end her life turned out to be a piece of

444
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 6: broken asphalt. They had gotten everything down except to that

445
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 6: barbaric element at that point in time. And as this

446
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 6: goes on, at the end of this, Christa retrieves a souvenir. Well,

447
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 6: the souvenir the next day, when they're at job Corps

448
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 6: and they're all eating lunch together is displayed proudly by

449
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 6: Christa in the lunch room. Look what I have, And

450
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 6: as it turns out, yeah, piece, it's a piece of

451
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 6: external table of the skull, and of course everybody there

452
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 6: is like, well, where's Colleen. Where's Colleen? Well, they begin

453
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 6: to put these you know, two and two together at

454
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 6: this point in Tom doesn't take a rocket scientist, right,

455
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 6: and so they put these two things together. Christa is

456
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 6: displaying the scene. Colleen is missing, and I think that

457
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 6: they probably affected an arrest on all three of these individuals.

458
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 6: I think I'll go ahead and give the benefit of doubt.

459
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 6: I'll say within forty eight hours. I actually think it

460
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 6: was like within thirty six hours.

461
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 7: Wow, and body, you asked about her being the ringleader.

462
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 7: And what we do know is that to Darryl's ship,

463
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 7: he was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility

464
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 7: of parol. Going back to your earlier point, Joseph, that

465
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 7: he will be eligible literally next month.

466
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 4: For parole next and we'll watch that, correct.

467
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 7: And then the third person, Shadala Peterson, she cooperated with authorities.

468
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 7: She testified against Christa Pike, and she ultimately received six

469
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 7: years probation after pleading guilty to accessory after the fact,

470
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 7: which I think tells us a lot about her participation

471
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 7: in this incident.

472
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 6: Right it does, And it's a very sad commentary. I think.

473
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 6: I mean prosecutors are going to prospect, that's what they do,

474
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 6: and they're trying to go after that individual. However, in

475
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 6: my estimation, if you're absent humanity at that point, that

476
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 6: you're acting and can she admits that she's acting as

477
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 6: a lookout. Okay, so what are you acting as a

478
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 6: lookout for? Are you a war zone where you're looking

479
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 6: for the enemy approaching. No, you're acting as a lookout

480
00:26:53,280 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 6: so that your friends can torture, torture and kill this

481
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 6: young woman who is and listen, people that wind up

482
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 6: in job corps. God bless this program. I think it's

483
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 6: a fantastic program that's been around for a long time.

484
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 6: People that quit school, people that don't feel like they

485
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 6: have any hope in the future. It gives them opportunity

486
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 6: to learn technical training or some specific job. They can

487
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 6: go out and they can take care of themselves. Right,

488
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 6: It's a great program. Colleen was just trying to make

489
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 6: it in this world, like I think probably everybody on

490
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 6: this panel is. Through our lives. We've just tried to

491
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 6: make everybody. All of our friends are all try to

492
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 6: make it in this world. They are and all of

493
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 6: a sudden, these people descend upon you, and it's not

494
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 6: just like a quick death. This is a torturous, painful

495
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 6: death that they subject to this poor woman. And that

496
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 6: the lady that's acting, she's a grown woman. Now this

497
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 6: acting has a lookout. You're facilitating this and that's all

498
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 6: she And of course they know they guaranteed her testimony

499
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 6: as a result of it. And it's one of those

500
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 6: moments where you know, you take the good with the

501
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 6: bad at that point, right.

502
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 4: That's a lot of bad to be had.

503
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: And obviously we also know that you know, Krista Pike,

504
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: you know, feels very badly for her behavior. She says

505
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: that you know, she was guilty and is just you know,

506
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: super ashamed for obviously this hideous crime.

507
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was eighteen or nineteen, when did she did this?

508
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 5: Now she's thirty eight or no, forty.

509
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 4: Forty nine, forty nine, she's forty nine years old.

510
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 7: And her attorneys many times reapproached the court because of

511
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 7: her age to try and say, hey, let's dial back

512
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 7: on the sentencing.

513
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 4: But no, lock huh no.

514
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 7: And in Tennessee, should this come to bear because a

515
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 7: lot of times letho any kind of injections or anything

516
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 7: are delayed. But in Tennessee, an inmate can choose electrocution

517
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 7: specifically if a crime occurred before nineteen ninety nine. And

518
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 7: I just thought that was an interesting fact because anybody

519
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 7: ever I owse that I don't know. Lethal injection is

520
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 7: the primary manner of execution in the state.

521
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 6: But that's yeah, And Timnessee is a single drug. You've

522
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 6: heard of cocktails, Yeah, lethal injection. They're not a cocktail state.

523
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 6: They're single drug. It's barbarital and so that can push

524
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 6: you into a coma. It's a single injection. And so

525
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 6: that's you know, I don't know what you know, it's

526
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 6: kind of picked your poison, I guess, or to the case,

527
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 6: I b it'll be interesting to see if she if

528
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 6: she does that, right.

529
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: We have several talkbacks for you, Joseph Scott Morgan, we

530
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: must say, so we're going to hit those two. And

531
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: by the way, later in the show, we're going to

532
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: be covering this wife who's accused of poisoning her husband.

533
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: And then also you know this young boy. This is

534
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: a developing story in New Jersey.

535
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: A seventeen year old teenager allegedly allegedly allegedly ran down

536
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: two teen girls on their bicycles, and we're going to

537
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: cover that a little bit as well. And listen, we

538
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: are not glossing over the fact that Diddy was oh yeah, sentenced,

539
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: but we're going to do a real deep dive on

540
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: that tomorrow on Monday, Secret serve as Sam is going

541
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: to be here, so just as a heads up, So

542
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: that's tomorrow.

543
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: But anyway, back to Joseph.

544
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: We've been getting a lot of calls for you, Joseph,

545
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: so it's great to talk about forensics.

546
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 6: Friend.

547
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: You're talking about That's what I call them.

548
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 4: I mean that with the utmost respect.

549
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: By the way, Okay, govern so good, Hi, I love

550
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: you guys.

551
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 8: You're awesome. This is about the funeral homes in Colorado.

552
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 8: There was also in Brooklyn, New York. I don't remember

553
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 8: what year, but the funeral home was in cahoots with

554
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 8: a dentists and they were selling body parts and changing

555
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 8: causes on death certificates so it wouldn't say that somebody

556
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 8: was cancerous and they could tell them and they will

557
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 8: making all kinds of money.

558
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 5: Another dentist this dentists, I mean, this is not going

559
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 5: on with Colorado dentistists.

560
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 4: However, by the way that that accent.

561
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, yes, I.

562
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 4: Love it so much. I like lean in in a

563
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: way I can't just you guys did perk up a

564
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: lot when you heard her.

565
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: You both heard screams go New York go. Sorry we

566
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: didn't catch your name, but excellent talkback Joseph.

567
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it is, isn't it?

568
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 5: Uh?

569
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 6: Yeah? You think about you know how how and listen

570
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 6: here here's the thing. Most people out there, I don't

571
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 6: like to think about that. Now. They'll talk about other

572
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 6: people's deaths, but they don't want to talk about their

573
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 6: own death and they don't think about what goes on

574
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 6: many times, or that there could be some kind of

575
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 6: malfeas that's going on, you know within one of these

576
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 6: organizations that listen, they handle them a precious thing in

577
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 6: our life, and that's that's our loved ones that have

578
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 6: passed on, right, And people throw around the term sacred trust.

579
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 6: That's truly and it's heartbreaking, you know, because of these

580
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 6: a lot of these cases that are out there, and

581
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 6: there's a lot of stuff out there that I have

582
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 6: yet to cover. I promise you I will, because I'm

583
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 6: an advocate for the dead, Yes you are, and the

584
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 6: pain that's left in the weight of these and you

585
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 6: have to understand, you know, how when does it get

586
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 6: to the point where your need for money trumps the

587
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 6: pain that is going to be visited upon those that remain.

588
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 6: You know, the dead are no longer feeling pain. But

589
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 6: you know, if you're parsing up a body, for instance,

590
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 6: and selling off the remains piece by piece to parties unknown.

591
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 6: Some of these things have gone overseas over the years,

592
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 6: if you can imagine that, and you know a lot

593
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 6: of people they get off into the organ harvest thing,

594
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 6: you know, I've heard about that, you know, where they

595
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 6: take people that are passed down on benches in city

596
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 6: parks and all that.

597
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 4: We wake up in a bath of your kidneys.

598
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I've heard a lot of that, and I

599
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 6: don't know how much to believe that, but we do

600
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 6: have evidence that people have, you know, and this is

601
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 6: not something new under the sun. This is something that's

602
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 6: gone on for years and years. And I recommend anybody

603
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 6: that is really fascinated by by this idea of what

604
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 6: happens to human remains over a period of time. I

605
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 6: did an entire episode on grave robbers at one point

606
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 6: in time back in the eighteen hundreds because it was

607
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 6: it was actually illegal for years and years in America

608
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 6: and in Europe to do dissections on human remains. And

609
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 6: so if you've got doctors that are in training and

610
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 6: they've never done a gross anatomical dissection, you know, you're

611
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 6: I don't know about you, guys. I want my doctor

612
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 6: to understand what's underneath the hood, all right, and so,

613
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 6: and even back then they understood that, is there still

614
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 6: a need to go out and seek out seek out

615
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 6: human remains? Do that in these modern times. I mean,

616
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 6: let's face it, you can do in an academic setting.

617
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 6: You can actually do a digital autopsy. I'm not saying

618
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 6: that's something we're going to do in forensics, but I'm

619
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 6: saying you can digitize remain and actually do the dissection there.

620
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 6: So what's your point here? You know, why are you

621
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 6: doing this?

622
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 7: Just to clarify, make sure I'm understanding, Joseph, is that

623
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 7: like the dentist, for example, they have a thing where

624
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 7: you can take all of these pictures and then it's

625
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 7: unbelievable three D image of exactly what's happening in your mouth.

626
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: Is that what you're talking about that they'll image.

627
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 6: That way for an Autogoya, there was there was actually

628
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 6: a point when there was actually a point in time

629
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 6: where dentists would use human jaws from the dead. I've

630
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 6: heard about stories over the years where dental schools would

631
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 6: actually use the capitator remains and so the bodies would

632
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 6: be pieced up like that. I don't think that still

633
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 6: goes on. But what I'm saying is it's part of

634
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 6: our history, you know, and you you know at that point,

635
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 6: you know, you have to understand that technology is caught

636
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 6: up with us at this point. So why is it

637
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 6: that you might feel the need to do it. The

638
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 6: only thing I can think of is that either you're

639
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 6: incredibly morbid or you're trying to make a quick butt

640
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 6: at the expense of the dead and their families.

641
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 5: There's a really famous Rembrandt painting. It's called the Autonomy Lesson.

642
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 4: Yes, beautiful and yeah.

643
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it right, anatomy, anatomy autonomy. Listen to me.

644
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 5: It's a really famous painting. Yes, and it's all about

645
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 5: like this, right.

646
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're in the theater though. Yeah, they're in the

647
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 6: theater and they're doing the dissection. Yeah, so beautiful. Everything

648
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 6: I love and brand anyway and everything. And when you

649
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 6: see that, and you've got everybody kind of leaning in

650
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 6: to take a look, and it kind of captures that

651
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 6: moment Tom, that might have been back in the sixteen hundreds.

652
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Speaker 6: And this is something that you know, if you have,

653
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Speaker 6: if you have the deceased and you're able to do this,

654
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Speaker 6: everybody wants to see it.

655
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Speaker 4: Interesting. Well, thank you for that.

656
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Speaker 7: Yes, this is true Crime tonight where we are learning

657
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 7: so much with Joseph Scott Morgan who is joining us

658
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Speaker 7: for Forensic Sundays. I'm Courtney Armstrong here as always with

659
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 7: Stephanie Leideker and Body move in. We're responding to a

660
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Speaker 7: whole bunch of your talkbacks that were directed specifically to

661
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Speaker 7: forensic expert.

662
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: Joseph, and we want to hear from you.

663
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Speaker 7: We'd actually love a call eighty eight three to one

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Speaker 7: Crime or always a talkback, and we have one now.

665
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Speaker 9: About cemeteries and stuff. I do know that in some

666
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 9: areas like New Orleans, because of the humanity they and

667
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 9: the elevation, everything has to be above ground and after

668
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 9: a year and a day they're able to push back

669
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Speaker 9: the previous body and put another family member in. That's

670
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Speaker 9: what I was told on a tour.

671
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Speaker 4: Ooh, that's interesting. That's our guide, right, is it real?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I did that to her also, but was way too

674
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Speaker 2: boozy any of that.

675
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Speaker 6: Okay, this is what we're going to do. We're all

676
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 6: going to gather in New Orleans, all of us, and

677
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 6: we're going to tour ourselves, all right.

678
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Speaker 4: Yeah I love New Orleans and.

679
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 6: Yeah as well you should. Everybody should love. Yeah, my hometown.

680
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 6: So anyway, big shout out to the Crescent City. So

681
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Speaker 6: here's what you're looking at. You've ever been in the

682
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 6: French quarters. She's talking about elevation. If you go right

683
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 6: in front of Saint Louis Cathedral, you can look back

684
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 6: at the river where the levee is. You want to

685
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 6: get a sense of how low the city is, wait

686
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 6: until a tanker ship comes by and it's literally going

687
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Speaker 6: by the top of your.

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Speaker 4: Heads, above your head, right.

689
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 6: But yeah, so that gives you an idea. So everything

690
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 6: New Orleans is not supposed to exist like it does.

691
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 6: So it's below the water line. So our dead down

692
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 6: there are buried in above ground crips. And we have

693
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 6: some of those beautiful graveyards you've ever seen. If you

694
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 6: can quite beauty time, the imager love going to cemetery.

695
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 6: So what she's talking about, and this is not unique

696
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 6: in New Orleans. This has been done in family crips

697
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 6: for a long long time. So you lay the body

698
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 6: out on a specific space and then after the body

699
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 6: has reduced will say that down to a sufficient level,

700
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 6: the actual remains are pushed back into an oshuary that's

701
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 6: behind there kind of falls down, and then the new

702
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 6: remains are placed on top. Now, this is going to

703
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 6: vary from cemetery. You have people that have mausoleums that

704
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 6: have been owned by families for years and years, and

705
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 6: they have dedicated spaces where the actual casket will be

706
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 6: placed onto that shelf. But that's essentially what she's talking about.

707
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,959
Speaker 6: And I've talked to people that have gone back into

708
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 6: the aushwaries before and or have put themselves into a

709
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 6: position if you can imagine climbing into one of these

710
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Speaker 6: things and looking down and visualizing any kind of skeletal

711
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 6: remains that might be trenched out down there in the background.

712
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 6: But yet the efforts that you have to make in

713
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 6: certain locations with the dead, they're dictated by the environment,

714
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 6: you know, and that's the reality of living in that environment.

715
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Speaker 4: In particularly, do you guys know where you're going to

716
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: be buried. I'll be cremated.

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00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: I'll be cremated as well.

718
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Speaker 4: I don't know where I'm going to end up.

719
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 6: Like I know, I'm not going to end up at

720
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Speaker 6: the body form. I have people that reach out to

721
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 6: me to ask me if they know somebody that I

722
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 6: can contact and say, because people actually do donate their

723
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 6: remains to the body form, So that's not that's not

724
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 6: a falsehood, that's a reality. So that's not something I

725
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 6: want to do. Yeah, it's it's not on my bucket list.

726
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 7: We have a talk back that Tah has indicating might

727
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 7: be well timed.

728
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: Right now.

729
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Speaker 10: Hi, I'm listening to the podcast about the cremations and

730
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 10: all the dead bodies found. But I wanted to mention

731
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Speaker 10: that someone said cremations are more ecologically sound than burials

732
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 10: with faults and for mildehde and whatnot. The truth is

733
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Speaker 10: there's another alternative in cremation which takes up as much

734
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Speaker 10: fuel as it would cost, almost as burying somebody in

735
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Speaker 10: all the you know ways that people traditionally did it

736
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Speaker 10: in the earth with a coffin and all that, and

737
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Speaker 10: that is called natural burials. Where they simply put you

738
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Speaker 10: in the earth, then cover you up and let you

739
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 10: decomposed naturally in the earth. Natural burials.

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Speaker 6: Look it up. Yeah, it's a real thing. I've got

741
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Speaker 6: two friends, two dear friends of mine, and y'all know

742
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 6: Kimmy my wife. It's actually her friends, but I'm friends

743
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 6: too by marriage. Uh, And they are going to be

744
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 6: they're they're going to be taken to a monastery not

745
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 6: too far away from Atlanta, and they do natural burials

746
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Speaker 6: there and the monks do perpetual care.

747
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Speaker 9: Uh.

748
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's no there's no embalming or anything like that.

749
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Speaker 6: You're not placed into uh into a vault, which when

750
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 6: you hear vat vault means the big kind of concrete

751
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 6: box that goes into the ground and then the casketed

752
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 6: body goes down into the vault and the vault is covered.

753
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 6: And that's that's not going to happen. And and one

754
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 6: of the big problems that people that people consider, and

755
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 6: it's a it's a legitimate problem, is over the years

756
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 6: is the idea of uh embalming a body. And then

757
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 6: the worry is is that the chemicals get into the

758
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 6: groundwater and so you have to be very careful with

759
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 6: that sort of thing. That's that's why.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 6: You know, burial spots are supposed to be highly regulated,

762
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 6: and you know, unfortunately we've seen in the news in

763
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 6: the last couple of years, we've seen what appears to

764
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 6: be non regulation. Specifically, I don't want to mention their names,

765
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 6: but I'll say their initials Colorado. Uh. You know, kind

766
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 6: of problem in the in the funeral industry in the

767
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 6: last few years with these sorts of things, and it's

768
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 6: it's absolutely horrific. You know who's monitoring, you know, relative

769
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 6: to this, I think that the natural state is kind

770
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 6: of a fascinating thing that people do. There's actually companies

771
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 6: that will do out there and you guys have probably

772
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 6: heard of these where they'll take bodies and they'll do

773
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 6: these compressions of the bodies and you know, I don't

774
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 6: know how many atmospheres there the bodies are subjected to

775
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 6: and they turn they turned the remains into into diamonds.

776
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 5: Oh, I've seen this. I looked at this from my mom.

777
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 5: The it's carbon based.

778
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 4: Did they Yeah, they create carbon.

779
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 5: Beautiful, They create beautiful gems and you can wear these

780
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 5: gems forever and it's basically your loved one.

781
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 4: I love the idea. I love the idea.

782
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 7: There are so many more options than my imagination had

783
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 7: conceived of My goodness, Joseph, as always, you open our eyes,

784
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 7: you widen our perspectives, and we thank you so so

785
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 7: much joining us. Listen, everybody go hear more of Joseph

786
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 7: on his fantastic podcast body Bags, and we will talk

787
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 7: to you again soon.

788
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 5: Yes, so enlightening so much when he's here. You know,

789
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 5: like I just all I have to do is just listen.

790
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 5: That's all you got to do is just listen to Joseph,

791
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 5: and you're suddenly smarter.

792
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 4: I love it. It is the truth exactly. He is

793
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: the one he is.

794
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 5: And listen, Body Bags is so good. It's on like

795
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 5: what three times a week, right or twice a week?

796
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 5: Three three times a week, times a week. And it's

797
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 5: a lesson in forensics if you if you were really

798
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 5: interested in true crime and forensics, Body Bags is where it's.

799
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 7: At, absolutely, and where we're at in the next hour

800
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 7: is we're going to fill you in on how actor

801
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 7: Tyrese Gibson is facing animal cruelty charges, as well as

802
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 7: the developing story out of New Jersey seventeen year old

803
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 7: has been arrested. He's charged with two counts of first

804
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 7: degree murder. He drove into two teen girls. It's a

805
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 7: terrible story, really, but stick around. Details to come. True

806
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Speaker 7: Crime Tonight.

807
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

808
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 2: true crime all the time on this beautiful Sunday. We're

809
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 2: so glad that you're with us. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

810
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong and Body Move in Big thanks to

811
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Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan, who spent the first hour with us.

812
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: I already miss him. I already miss him.

813
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: Okay.

814
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 7: I had such a strong reaction to you calling him

815
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 7: forensics daddy, which I know people do, but man, I can't.

816
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: I can't. It is like.

817
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: Seeing your brother somebody close of like, yeah, we Fortny

818
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: and I like put our ears like not that he

819
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: is not such a handsome man of distinct women love him.

820
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we like he's.

821
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 5: Very dapper, like when you see he's just so dapper

822
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 5: and he's got that smooth voice. He's friends and I

823
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 5: mean it with a million for you guys.

824
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 4: Know, I love Joseph. I mean, of course he's the

825
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 4: great respect. Yeah, he's the greatest. He's the really is.

826
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Speaker 4: So thanks to Joseph for.

827
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Speaker 2: Being with us, and also if you guys want to

828
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Speaker 2: jump in and join the convo eight eight eight three

829
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: one crime. Obviously, if you've missed any of the first hour,

830
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: you could also catch it after the show as a podcast,

831
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Speaker 2: so please do listen.

832
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 4: There's been a lot going on, you know.

833
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: Tomorrow Monday, we're going to do a big unpack of

834
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: probably a huge story that we can't really go too

835
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: deeply into tonight. Did he he's been sentenced? Oh my goodness,

836
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: fifty months? What do we all think about that? We'd

837
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: love to hear your thoughts if you want to leave

838
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: us some talkbacks. For tomorrow, we'll have Secret Service Sam,

839
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: who has been covering the case. I'm exciting since day one.

840
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: He was outside during these hearings. We'll be joining us

841
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 2: to do a real, real unpack. And then, you know, Courtney,

842
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: you've been following this case in New Jersey, which is

843
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 2: a harrowing one. You have this alleged teen boy who

844
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: who ran down to teen girls maybe for vengeance.

845
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 4: Is it vengeance or a vengeance?

846
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm saying that right, but you get

847
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: the drift it's horrible vengeance.

848
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's horrible.

849
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: And then again this woman who was accused of killing

850
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: her husband with insulin.

851
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: This is a case. My mother keeps.

852
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: Sending me articles about it, so she's really ready for

853
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: the deep dive.

854
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 4: So hopefully that's happening tonight.

855
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: And then also Tyreese, you know, Tyree Gibson, you know,

856
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: the big star, you know, not looking great. He was

857
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: arrested for for all kinds of things related to his dogs,

858
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: and body's going to do us an unpack of that now.

859
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm going to try to get through this

860
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 5: pretty quickly because there's not a lot here. But you guys,

861
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 5: remember Tyrese Gibson. He was, you know, the really handsome man,

862
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 5: and he was in Fast and the Furious that movie, right,

863
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 5: and you know he was in the whole franchise. Well,

864
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 5: he was arrested this weekend. He surrendered to authorities after

865
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 5: and rest warrant was issued in connection to an incident

866
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 5: where his four like canine Corso's, mauled a neighbor's dog

867
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Speaker 5: to death in September. This incident sparked public concern due

868
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 5: to previous complaints about the dogs kind of roaming so

869
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 5: these Have you guys ever seen canaine corsos?

870
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 4: They're huge?

871
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: Are they like mastiffs?

872
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're they're like.

873
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 5: If you don't know the difference between breeds, are they're

874
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 5: very big like mastiffs. Beautiful dogs and they're very loyal.

875
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 5: They're I mean, wonderful. I used to babysit and the

876
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 5: family had a mastiff and or a canine corso. And

877
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 5: this dog was so protective and loving, but like roaming freely.

878
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. Well, apparently these dogs had been roaming freely.

879
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 5: Five complaints had been made about the dogs getting out

880
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 5: and roaming the neighborhood. Now that's kind of scary. While

881
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 5: this happened while Tyresee was out of town and he

882
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 5: had somebody watching the dogs. Well, the dogs got out

883
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,479
Speaker 5: again and this little dog, this little shit too I think,

884
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 5: was out using the restroom in his backyard and then

885
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 5: the parent, the pet parent, went to go get him

886
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 5: and he wasn't there. He was in the driveway, completely mauled.

887
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 5: So another complaint was called in of obviously, and Tyresee

888
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: got animal cruelty charges pressed against him because ultimately, even

889
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 5: though he's not there, he is the one responsible for

890
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 5: the dogs, and he is obviously devastated that this happened.

891
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 5: He's not you know, obviously he's not like a mean guy.

892
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 5: He's not you know, like, you know, cruelty to animals.

893
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 4: I don't know whatever, but you.

894
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 5: Know, it's just the way things landed, that this is

895
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 5: cruelty to animals, and he was arrested for it, and

896
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 5: we're gonna find out what happens.

897
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 7: I do want to agree one quick thing, body, I

898
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 7: do believe it wasn't a shit too. I believe it

899
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 7: was a cavalier King Charles Vaniel named Henry. You're absolutely right.

900
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 7: You're absolutely right. My heart goes out.

901
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 4: Oh he too.

902
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: It's so stating to lose an animal if you have,

903
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: you know, listen, is terrible.

904
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: It's so terrible.

905
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: When I first heard this story and was reading about it,

906
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: I was surprised that he was arrested and.

907
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 4: Booked, etc.

908
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: Especially if he was not home and it was somebody

909
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 2: who was staying at the house that was maybe being

910
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 2: so irresponsible. So I thought this was legally very interesting.

911
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 5: I did too, and that's kind of why I wanted

912
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 5: to talk about it. I mean, obviously, you guys know

913
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 5: I have an interest in animal cruelty, right, but I

914
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 5: don't feel like this is the same kind of animal

915
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 5: cruelty that I like to follow along with and track

916
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 5: those people. This just seems like a horrible accident. But

917
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 5: it is worth noting that they were giving him many

918
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 5: warnings to keep his dogs in the house in under control.

919
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: So I think that's kind of a point here, right.

920
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 7: The police captain said that the dogs were seen more

921
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 7: than five times, and again he was given official warnings

922
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 7: about that, So I think that is where the legalities

923
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 7: come in.

924
00:49:59,280 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 4: I think so too.

925
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 5: So we're going to keep following it and see what

926
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 5: happens because it is interesting legally.

927
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 4: This is true crime.

928
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 5: Tonight on iHeartRadio, We're talking true crime all the time.

929
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 5: I'm Boddy Moven and I'm here with Courtney Armstrong and

930
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 5: Stephanie Leidecker, and we're going to get into this New

931
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 5: Jersey teen crime. Courtney, tell us what's going on.

932
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 7: It's developing, so I'll just say that, so we'll give

933
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 7: you all the information we have. But seventeen year old

934
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 7: Vincent Battaloro has been arrested. He's charged with two counts

935
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 7: of first degree murder. Allegedly he drove into and killed

936
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 7: two teenage girls. This is happening amid growing accusations that

937
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 7: he stalked and harassed one of the victims for months.

938
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 7: So this horrible event happened the evening of September thirtieth,

939
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 7: and two close friends, both seventeen year old girls, were

940
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 7: riding their e bikes around, Maria Neotis and Isabelle Salas,

941
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 7: and they were just riding around as teenage girls do.

942
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 7: They were fatally struck by a speeding suv that was

943
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 7: allegedly an intentional hit and run. The entire community understandably

944
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 7: is shaken.

945
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 3: Again.

946
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 7: Details do continue to emerge, but it appears that the

947
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 7: jeep suv was going over seventy miles in a twenty

948
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 7: five mile per hour zone. So we've been talking, Yeah,

949
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 7: we started talking about this on Friday, Stephanie and I

950
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 7: know this is.

951
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 3: We've been talking about a lot. Any thoughts on.

952
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 2: This, Well, it's pretty major because you know, obviously we've

953
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: been doing this deep dive into you know, this dark

954
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: web and in cells as a podcast that's out now

955
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: please download it on the iHeartRadio app. But you know,

956
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: one of the producers on that had done an interview

957
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: and because we're always talking about sort of the idea

958
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 2: of young men as kind of this lone wolf who

959
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 2: were deciding now at such an extraordinarily young age, to take,

960
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, a vengeance against women. Specifically, we're not saying

961
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: that this particular seventeen year old in New Jersey is

962
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 2: an in cell.

963
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 4: However, just for the sake of the conversation.

964
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: Of it all, it does check the liboxes, Yeah, it

965
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: really does. And you know, Boddy, you were discussing some

966
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: of the pregame stuff that he was doing, and you know,

967
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: he was hosting really unusual things.

968
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 5: Right September twenty third, which is a week prior to

969
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 5: this murder basically happened, he did a live stream and

970
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 5: he's like he was saying that you know, the one

971
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 5: the one of the victims, and her mother complained to

972
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 5: the school that he was sending out child inappropriate ChIL

973
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 5: child photos, okay, and that he had a vengeance. That's

974
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 5: where that's where we're getting the vengeance term. He had

975
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 5: a vengeance against her and because of this allegation of

976
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 5: him being involved with inappropriate children photos. Well, apparently he

977
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 5: did this live stream and he was kind of going

978
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 5: on and on about how upset he was about it

979
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 5: and that he had a vengeance and that live he

980
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 5: used a burner phone and called Domino's Pizza and sent

981
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 5: them pizzas to be paid for upon arrival. I think

982
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 5: I mentioned, you guys, this happened to me when don't

983
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 5: have what the cats come out, I was getting pizza

984
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 5: sent to my house. This is a similar tactic that

985
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 5: people do. It's it's anyway, I digress, but yeah, he

986
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 5: and then he went live after the murder and was

987
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 5: just like, oh, it's all drama and I'm a victim

988
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 5: and they're bullying me, like kind of being really glib.

989
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and almost sarcastic, it seemed.

990
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 6: Again.

991
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: And also, you know, we were kind of noted. We

992
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 2: noted this video and this you know information on Friday,

993
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 2: as Courtney was saying, And now that now that's gone,

994
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: you can't even find it on the internet, so you know,

995
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: that's interesting. Also likely because this person who who has

996
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 2: been accused is underage. But it really does speak to

997
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: this young man, young man culture that you know, I

998
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: think we have to keep talking about we do.

999
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 5: And didn't he get a restraining order on him? The

1000
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 5: one of the Yes family.

1001
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 7: There was a restraining order against him. It was Maria's family,

1002
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 7: and he had a history of alleged harassment board Maria.

1003
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 7: There were police reports of him loitering outside of her home,

1004
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 7: and you know, like you said, they did make reports.

1005
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 7: Maria made reports to school, to police about the behavior.

1006
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 3: It was threatening.

1007
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 7: It really is a heartbreak and including there were screenshots

1008
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 7: that were shared by Maria's ex boyfriend and allegedly they

1009
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 7: showed that Battlero was threatening to leak or fabricate explicit

1010
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 7: images of Maria in response to being told to please

1011
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 7: stop harassing her.

1012
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 2: Anes And if someone's on a harass rampage, it's really

1013
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: hard to rain that in. And I think people who

1014
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: have ever experienced that. Again, the more the more contact,

1015
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: the more police get involved, it's almost like feeding the

1016
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: fire right. It's so you're in a tough spot, you

1017
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,959
Speaker 2: want to file the restraining order. Suddenly the restraining order

1018
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: is like adding to the to the vengeance right, or

1019
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: you want to go through these fuels, and sometimes it

1020
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 2: almost fuels it. And I just find that so scary

1021
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: and confusing. Obviously, get the restraining order, and we're not

1022
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: suggesting other ways. Yes, sure, you know in this case,

1023
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: mom and dad are doing all the right things. They're

1024
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 2: alerting school, they're reaching out, they're filing a report. And

1025
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: to what end, this guy's just getting even more nuts.

1026
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, and just for regarding the victims and their two

1027
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 7: seventeen year old girls, they were literally riding their bikes

1028
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 7: to go get ice cream with this.

1029
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 3: No, it's true with Maria.

1030
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, with Maria's family, there are riding bikes to go

1031
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 7: ahead and get ice cream when this happened. Funeral services

1032
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 7: for Maria Notice were held on Friday, followed by a burial,

1033
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 7: and her mother remembered Maria someone who loved deeply, who

1034
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 7: gave generously, and who dreamed boldly. And Silas's weight took

1035
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 7: place on Saturday. Burial is planned and community members have

1036
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 7: just said and as well as their classmates.

1037
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: They're in high school.

1038
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 7: Both girls is being kind, talented, full of promise. Maria

1039
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 7: was aspiring to be a cosmetologist. Isabella was known for

1040
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 7: her singing. So it's just it's a tragedy and it's

1041
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 7: a it's a real waste.

1042
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 4: Wow.

1043
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 5: So they okay, Okay, So the chain of the timeline

1044
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 5: here is September twenty third. He goes live. It's a

1045
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 5: week a week prior to the murder. Correct, he goes

1046
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 5: live and he's like, I have vengeance against this girl.

1047
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 4: Da da da da da.

1048
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 5: Prior to this, they have gotten a restraining order, right

1049
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 5: because he was out lurking around. Well, while he was

1050
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 5: ordering the Domino's pizza to get sent to her house

1051
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 5: that they would have to of course pay for when

1052
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 5: it gets delivered. One of his commentars said, oh, you

1053
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 5: should drive over there and watch the pizza get delivered,

1054
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 5: and he responded and he said no, because she'll just

1055
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 5: call the cops again. So obviously he is kind of

1056
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 5: admitting that he had been there before and that mom

1057
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 5: had called the cops on him for lingering around. So

1058
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 5: I wonder how long this was going on. Like the

1059
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 5: parents of these poor these portrait, I mean, this is

1060
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 5: so awful, but imagine rage that they've got to be feeling.

1061
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 4: Obviously sadness first.

1062
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 5: I imagine unimaginable, unimaginable, but the rage that they must

1063
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 5: be feeling too, like they did everything right, They did

1064
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 5: everything right.

1065
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 7: Well, the Neoda's family, they usued a public statement. They

1066
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 7: called the suspect a coward, a coward of a man,

1067
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 7: and said that quote he'd been plotting this attack for months.

1068
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 5: Oh really, well, he said that he when he went

1069
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 5: live after the day after Okay, listen to this, you guys.

1070
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 5: He gets arrested and then gets out pending investigation, and

1071
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 5: there's this big uproar because apparently everyone thinks that he's

1072
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 5: like related to the police chief. Well he apparently, and

1073
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 5: then you know they were, you know, being nice to

1074
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 5: him and let him out. Well, the police chief came

1075
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 5: forward and said, listen, he's not my immediate family. This

1076
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 5: is he's just been released prior, you know, pending the investigation. Well,

1077
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 5: he got he got rearrested the next day, but he

1078
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 5: said while he was out, he said, there's more to

1079
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 5: the story, and you'll be hearing from me like he's

1080
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 5: very arrogant.

1081
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 4: I don't like him at all. I don't like him either.

1082
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Speaker 2: If this is accurate in it, it seems like it

1083
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: is form. And again, this is not even harassment. We're

1084
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,479
Speaker 2: saying harassment. This is stalking, stalking. So just like little girls,

1085
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: know that these are little girls. That's not just like, oh,

1086
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: harassment at school. It's unimaginable that there was not more

1087
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: that could be done to keep them safe, specifically because

1088
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: mom and dad did all the right things, as did they,

1089
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: And I think it's really important that we talk about

1090
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: it because again, this is the kind of thing that

1091
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: is happening in people's lives that they're like, Oh, it's

1092
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: no big deal, Oh we'll get through it. Oh it'll

1093
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: be fine, And it's real, and I think there needs

1094
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,959
Speaker 2: to be more discussion about how situations like this could

1095
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: be handled better.

1096
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 4: It's awful to me. It's so sad on all parts.

1097
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 3: It's so sad.

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00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 7: We'll continue to follow this story as it evolves, as

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00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 7: more information comes through and details are clarified. Coming up,

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00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 7: we're going to go inside the trial of Sarah Hartsfield,

1101
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 7: per Stephanie's mother. It's a story that needs to be

1102
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 7: told and we're going to do it. Is it a

1103
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 7: murder or a manipulation? Later, we're going to be hearing

1104
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 7: directly from you with talkbacks you've been sending, and give

1105
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 7: us a call if you want eight to eight threugh

1106
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 7: on crime. We'd love to chat with you. Keep it

1107
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 7: here at True Crime Tonight. We're talking true crime all

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00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 7: the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Happy Sunday. We hope you

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01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 2: had a beautiful weekend. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney

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01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: Armstrong and body.

1113
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Speaker 4: Move in and listen.

1114
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: We're about to unpack this wild case that my mom

1115
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: keeps sending us articles about of this wife who's accused

1116
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: of killing her husband with insulin, which is very, very specific.

1117
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: She's been married a few times, this one and Courtney,

1118
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: do you want to give us the little setup on

1119
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: this one?

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Speaker 4: On behalf of my mom.

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01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 7: I was gonna say I would do literally anything for

1122
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 7: your mother, of course. So jury, jury's selections begun, and

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01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 7: this is going to be a big one to watch.

1124
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 7: It's the murder trial of Sarah Hartsfield. She lives in

1125
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Speaker 7: Texas and is accused of killing her fifth husband, Joseph Hartsfield,

1126
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 7: as you said, Stephanie, with insulin. She is a former

1127
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 7: US Army sergeant and this murder took place in January

1128
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 7: twenty twenty three, allegedly by the injection of a massive

1129
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 7: amount of insulin, as well as delaying medical help. And

1130
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 7: she has a really complex and disturbing history. All you know, again,

1131
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 7: this is her fifth marriage. There was a prior fatal

1132
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 7: shooting of a fiance and a lot of plotting violence,

1133
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 7: allegedly against her previous spouses, so.

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01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 4: That many people to marry her.

1135
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 7: Holy moly, Well my thought was this, you know, fiance, Like,

1136
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 7: how do you not cross that bridge if you've done

1137
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 7: it five times?

1138
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 3: Anyway? Right?

1139
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 4: Maybe the shooting?

1140
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 7: Well maybe so low down on the husband's the first husband,

1141
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 7: a man named Titus. He claims that she threatened him

1142
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 7: to during their divorce and her asked him for years afterward.

1143
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 3: Okay, that's bad. Second husband.

1144
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 7: In nineteen ninety six, she was arrested for assaulting that

1145
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 7: second husband. Charges were later dropped. Now we're escalating. Husband

1146
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 7: number three accused her of urging her fourth husband to

1147
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 7: kill his new wife and allegedly provided him with a

1148
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 7: pistol and issued threats.

1149
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 4: Yeah are you kidding? Who are these people? Then? Like,

1150
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 4: what the heck? Yes?

1151
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 7: And then she has not been charged in connection with

1152
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 7: an alleged murder plot that involved her fourth husband, a

1153
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 7: guy named David George. So she's not been charged, but

1154
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 7: there was a murder plot involving her fourth It seems

1155
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 7: like a lot of bad luck follows this woman around.

1156
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say, or she's bringing a lot of bad

1157
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 2: luck to the equation. Mom, great deep dive article because

1158
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: there's obviously so much to unpack here. So this also

1159
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: speaks to what we've been kind of touching on a

1160
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 2: little bit even in previous segments, the idea of escalation

1161
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: and how.

1162
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 4: That cannot be overlooked.

1163
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 2: You know, like, listen, I genuinely believe if there is

1164
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: you know, breath in your lungs, there is time for

1165
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 2: change in room for it, and transformation can happen.

1166
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 4: I do, I really really do.

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01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 2: But it doesn't seem as though she seems like a

1168
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: repeat offender here, right, So oh yeah, this is a

1169
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: person who's really going from harassment to straight up stocking

1170
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 2: to straight up abuse like tempted murder. Yeah, it just

1171
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 2: keeps getting worse and worse and worse. And you know,

1172
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: do we know that these things were ever noted by authorities?

1173
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's just an interesting I just think something

1174
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 2: for us all to be looking for in the world,

1175
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: because there is a tipping point sometimes with most of

1176
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: the stories that we unpack here nightly, there's like one

1177
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 2: weird morning or one tip point, and in this case

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Speaker 2: it seems like there were many.

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01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 7: Right and very sadly, this is actually a little heartbreaking

1180
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 7: or it's quite heartbreaking. Her fifth husband, who is at

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Speaker 7: the center of this murdered trial, Joseph Hartsfield, he'd reportedly

1182
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 7: planned to divorce her.

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01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 3: He had expressed fears that she might try and kill him.

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01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 4: Oh my god, so he knew. Yeah, it was like

1185
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 4: a premonition.

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01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I'm just kind of curious.

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Speaker 5: You start dating a girl, you start dating someone, right?

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01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 5: Oh you have you ever been married before?

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01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I have?

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Speaker 4: Oh you have? How many times you've been married? Oh?

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01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 4: I've been married four times? What happened?

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Speaker 5: Well, I tried to kill this one. I tried, like, yeah,

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01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 5: what does she say to you know what I mean? Like,

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01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 5: or she's a really good liar, or she's a really

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01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 5: good lie. Does she blame everything on them? Oh they

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01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 5: were just bad husbands, or they didn't work, or you

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Speaker 5: know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: Like I bet you all the cash in my pockets

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01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 7: that that is exactly what she said.

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01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 2: Yes, instead of tell though somebody goes on SA it

1202
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: is somebody and just rips their ex to shreds or

1203
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: puts all of the bad things that happen in their

1204
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: breakup on her or him.

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 3: It is and in most instances in life, like I'll

1206
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 3: tell you this.

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01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 7: If I'm driving and then I quote spot the third

1208
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 7: bad driver of the day.

1209
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: Guess what that drivers behind the wheel of Michael.

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01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 4: You know that is sorright fun. That's a great analogy,

1211
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 4: Courtney Arms draw.

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01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 7: But yeah, anyone who blames everyone for everything, it's.

1213
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Speaker 5: I'm all curious how those that conversation went, Like, I'm

1214
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 5: just curious as to what you know, she said, what

1215
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 5: her experience is, you know, was with her.

1216
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 4: Divorces, Like, yeah, I would be digging into the divorce

1217
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 4: papers I would be doing. Listen, You're not going to

1218
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 4: get by me. It's not going to happen right by.

1219
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 11: The second or third one, like someone would say, wow,

1220
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 11: she's had a really odd cast and right, I think

1221
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 11: I might head for the hills this time.

1222
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 5: So she is, so she is escalating. You know, she

1223
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 5: claims she was getting threatened and harassed. You know, she

1224
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 5: starts harassing her ex husband. Then you know, she gets

1225
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 5: us gets arrested for assault on her second husband, and

1226
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 5: then her third husband is involved in you know, death

1227
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 5: threats against her fourth. Let's like it is literally escalate

1228
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 5: every single time. And if you are following, if you're

1229
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 5: interested in pattern recognition, of any kind. By the fifth husband,

1230
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 5: you're going to be like, Okay, this is gonna like

1231
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 5: how sad Like this was completely predictable.

1232
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 2: And predictable, which is why we have the benefit of

1233
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 2: hindsight to unpack it.

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01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 12: Right.

1235
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 4: Usually you know what that's like.

1236
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 2: You meet somebody you're deeply in love and it doesn't

1237
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 2: matter what they tell me, and you're like, oh, he's gonna.

1238
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 3: Change or it's different this time.

1239
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 4: I have done that.

1240
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 5: But this poor guy listen, and it's not his fault.

1241
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 5: He might not even even known her history, like our

1242
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 5: dumb Joseph the.

1243
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 11: Fifth husband does like, can't you look at me?

1244
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but not everybody does that.

1245
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 5: There's so many people are trust I'm not, but a

1246
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 5: lot of people are dis trusting, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

1247
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 5: but listen, Jumpy people are the worst, like.

1248
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 4: I mean moving Wait.

1249
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Speaker 2: So that is your expert advice though, and I don't

1250
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 2: disagree back.

1251
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 4: You know, streets do a little.

1252
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: You need to do some check in on those blind

1253
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 2: dates and such, you know what I mean.

1254
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 4: It is dangerous out there, kids, very.

1255
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: Not really, by the way, I also we also do

1256
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 2: want to perpetuate scariness because there's so much love to

1257
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 2: be found. So this is not like stay inside because

1258
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 2: it's so bad out there. No it's not, but of

1259
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 2: course not. You gotta follow the basics.

1260
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 3: You've got to follow the basics.

1261
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Speaker 7: And speaking of the basics, I want to give a

1262
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 7: little more of a lathe land of where we are

1263
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 7: before we dive into the trial. So Sarah Hartsfield, she

1264
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 7: is on trial again in Chambers County, Texas. The charge

1265
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 7: is one count of murder and she has pleaded not

1266
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 7: guilty and is under a bond of two million dollars.

1267
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 7: The jury selections underway. Opening statements will be starting after that,

1268
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 7: and prosecutors allege she used her husband's diabetes as a

1269
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 7: cover to inject him with fatal levels of insulin and

1270
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 7: then proceeded to wait hours before calling him. Yes, investigators

1271
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 7: sound multiple insulin pens near Joseph's bedside. They noted inconsistencies

1272
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 7: in Sarah Hartfield's statements, and the cause of death is

1273
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 7: ruled as complications from toxic insulin exposure and the manner

1274
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 7: of death was listed as undetermined. So interesting a grand jury.

1275
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 7: The indictment alleges that she quote intentionally and knowingly caused

1276
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 7: his death by unknown means and her defense, which I'm

1277
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 7: curious how it'll play out. The defense maintains means that

1278
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 7: Joseph may have died due to natural complications from a

1279
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 7: stroke and his medical condition.

1280
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 3: So that is what the defense.

1281
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 13: Is already, mad, we need to leave this question, can

1282
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 13: sound to ask? Yeah, for sure, because that's a very

1283
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 13: specific thing. You think that would be kindically provable one

1284
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 13: way or the other. But that's an interesting thing about toxicology.

1285
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 4: You know. Again, I only know this because I've learned.

1286
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 2: This is you know, your body absorbs things differently, and

1287
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 2: there are certain things that aren't tested for, and if

1288
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 2: they are, they have to be tested within a certain time.

1289
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 4: It's complicated.

1290
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 2: So, wow, insulin seems like it would be one that

1291
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 2: could be tested for.

1292
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 4: I'll be. I didn't even i'll be.

1293
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 5: I don't know a lot about insulin, but I didn't

1294
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 5: know you could die from it, Like, I had no

1295
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 5: idea until this.

1296
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 4: You can die from too much? Why I didn't know that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I remember that you died from water too much.

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Speaker 2: They were doing a movie competition, remember that too, like

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Speaker 2: so in that right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It depleted her sodium or something.

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Speaker 2: I think too much of anything is too much right,

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Speaker 2: So much of access is excess.

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Speaker 3: But you know somewhere I really need to learn that

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Speaker 3: lesson better than I have. I just do.

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Speaker 6: Listen.

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Speaker 2: Too much of anything is too much. Five days a week,

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Speaker 2: How's that that's fair?

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Speaker 4: Maybe six that's okay? Fine too.

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Speaker 7: In the trial, so two of her former husbands are

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Speaker 7: subpoena to testify.

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Speaker 3: So I think that will be.

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Speaker 4: That will be interesting.

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Speaker 3: That will be interesting. I think this will be very

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Speaker 3: They dodged a.

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Speaker 2: Bullet allegedly, Thank goodness. You know, to hear that somebody

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Speaker 2: you are so close to in the next relationship is

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Speaker 2: being accused for murder, and for probably similar reasons that

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Speaker 2: she tried to harm you or harass you, that must

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Speaker 2: also be extremely harrowing mm hmm.

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Speaker 11: And the fact that this last one, since something was

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Speaker 11: going to happen and was already afraid, that's that in itself.

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Speaker 4: But I'm having like brain freeze over where I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: get buried. Not to switch.

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Speaker 2: Topics, as you guys are still looking like still stressed

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 11: I want the diamond.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know about this.

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Speaker 4: There's too many options. I don't know the natural burial

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Speaker 4: that's interesting too.

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Speaker 7: I know with with what did you say, monks overlooking?

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Speaker 7: That sounds really peaceful looking.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't seem like there's an land anywhere anymore in

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Speaker 2: the idea that then there's also flooding and water to consider.

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Speaker 4: Listen, even when my little.

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Speaker 2: Dog died, they gave you that option you go live

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Speaker 2: when you're in like such despair, saying you can do

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Speaker 2: a ring, you can do a plant, you can do

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Speaker 2: a dis And I haven't opened the envelope yet because

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I decided in the moment of distress.

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Speaker 4: I could see your brain doesn't know.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I have to say my last dog.

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Speaker 3: And boy, you said it earlier, Steff.

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Speaker 7: And like losing a pet, is anyone who's experienced it

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Speaker 7: or has it, really it just it breaks your heart

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Speaker 7: in a very large and specific way. But my last dog,

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Speaker 7: who I put down after a long, long, fifteen year

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Speaker 7: gorgeous life, and I did it at home because I

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Speaker 7: have two other dogs and I wanted them to understand.

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Speaker 3: But the people who came to my house.

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Speaker 7: I was thinking about this when Joseph Scott Morgan was saying,

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Speaker 7: he you know, he caters to the dead. He is

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Speaker 7: a caretaker to them, and the people who put my

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Speaker 7: dog down one vet and this other I don't know

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Speaker 7: angel I would call him.

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Speaker 3: He was there.

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Speaker 7: He did not say one single word, but had a

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Speaker 7: bed to take my Dogie out in and was just

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Speaker 7: it was so peaceful and such reverence in anyway, people

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01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 7: who do that are really specific people.

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Speaker 4: True, it is not never.

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Speaker 2: The true same, you know in my experience as well,

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Speaker 2: like the person was just an angel on earth whose

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Speaker 2: name I don't even know, who I could picture in

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Speaker 2: my head.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's court. That was a traumatic experience for you.

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Speaker 7: But you know, losing a pet is the greatest heartbreak,

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Speaker 7: is what someone said, the most worthwhile heartbreak.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 3: I had.

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Speaker 4: I can't even talk about it.

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Speaker 11: Younger, I still can't even mind.

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Speaker 4: I can't imagine if it was an annoying one, but

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Speaker 4: I was. I haven't because of it.

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Speaker 11: When I was young, my I had a like a

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01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 11: dog named Chappie, and he was aging and he was

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Speaker 11: getting he couldn't walk and he started to get really old.

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Speaker 11: But my stepdad took him to the vet to put

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Speaker 11: him down and didn't tell me, like I was at school,

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Speaker 11: so I never got to say goodbye to Chappie, like

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Speaker 11: needlessly saying my relationship with my stepdad was completely severed

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Speaker 11: after that. But like and after that, I could never

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Speaker 11: get another pet, Like it just triggered. It hit me

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01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 11: so hard that I'm like, I can so I'm mad

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 11: at him. I'm mad that the pet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it was just it was so much like

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Speaker 2: just when you think you have no love to give,

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Speaker 2: you get you know, a pet, and you're like, oh, well.

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Speaker 5: I see you with a cat. I do you know

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01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 5: when I see you what I see with the sphinx,

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01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 5: And that's what I.

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Speaker 4: Like a little spaniel number I can I don't, I

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01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:29,959
Speaker 4: do not see that.

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Speaker 5: Just because like haha is a very elegant man, like

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01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 5: his home is immaculate. He's just a knight and eats,

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01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 5: he's always well put together. I just see him with

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01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 5: a cat, like a sphinx that's always perfect, like perfect styling.

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01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 5: I'm a cat stylist. Gues you by the way I was,

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01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 5: you make a good you make a good play there.

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01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 2: I still see a little shaggy little nugget that can

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01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 2: be on your lap.

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01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 4: Gi kisses all day and hugs.

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01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 7: We have to go to something multifaceted, your chic and lovable.

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01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 3: It's a good combination.

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01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 7: You talk about a crime daddy.

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01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 4: Okay, crime daddy Jo Do you like that? But he's

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01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 4: also our music story also he is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, stick around because we've got more to dig into.

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01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 5: Not what kind of cat Taha is going to get,

1409
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 5: but we're going to be answering your talkbacks about everything

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01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 5: we've covered.

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Speaker 4: In the past. Keep it right here, True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeart Radio. We're

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01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. Or I guess we've

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01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 2: been talking true crime all the time. Where has this

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01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 2: night gone again? So again, if you've missed any of

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01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 2: the show, catch after as a podcast. I'm Stephanie Leidecker

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01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 2: here with Courtney Armstrong. End body you move in My

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01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 2: girls on a Sunday night. I love it when we're together,

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01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 2: especially after a long weekend, whether good or bad. I'm

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01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 2: always just so psyched to get to this time of

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01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 2: the night. So so true It flies by, It flies by.

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01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 2: Let's go to a talk back.

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Speaker 6: Hi.

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Speaker 12: There, it's Alea in British Columbia. Again. I'm listening every night.

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01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 12: You can certainly have both things be true. You can

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01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 12: be a good person and you can still have done

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01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 12: a bad thing.

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01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:32,759
Speaker 3: Or things.

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01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 12: However, if you do bad thing, you're gonna have to

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01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 12: pay for it, and your friends can't write letters and

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01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 12: say you're a good person. It's like that swimmer guy

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01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 12: that I don't want to say his name. He had

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 12: a whole life ahead of him, but a slap on

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01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 12: the wrist for rape. That dude was literally caught red

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01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 12: handed raping a girl behind a dumpster by some other dudes,

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01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,799
Speaker 12: and after all the trial and the proof, he hardly

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01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 12: had to do anytime. So that's just not cool. Don't

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01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 12: care for the whole This person did a bad thing,

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01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 12: but they have so much potential, so let's just not

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01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 12: make them pay for their crime.

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01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 4: What a great talk back. It's so true. Consequences.

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01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 2: That's what we're really talking about here, right, is the

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01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 2: idea that a person, Yeah, of course we all do

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01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 2: bad things, right. I mean so that, yes, of course

1445
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 2: you can be a good person. I completely agree, But

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01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 2: we're talking if you're doing a crime, you got to

1447
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 2: do the time. You know, in fact, you have a

1448
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: kid and you know you love them implicitly, but something

1449
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 2: goes awry. You have to have consequences to learn, right,

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01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 2: and they learn if you don't right. Exactly as you know,

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01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 2: case in point as our talk about I didn't catch

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01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: her name. I think Aliyah great, great talk back, you know,

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01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 2: as she's mentioning in this particular case.

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01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the case it was the Rock Turner rape.

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01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 5: Yes, I believe, And don't get me started on that

1456
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 5: thing that was we should.

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01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, we should cover that. And actually, yeah, we're gonna

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01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 7: we're going to cover that. Thank you for mentioning that

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01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 7: because your point of the punishment not fitting the crime.

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01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 7: That was one of the most egregious u endings to

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01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 7: a case that I can imagine. But yeah, let's cover it.

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01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 7: And I also want to talk about the survivor who

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01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 7: has gone on She to write a memoir of sorts.

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01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 3: So anyway, what graduating that one?

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01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 11: And if the sad part is I was trying to

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01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 11: really quickly google to see who that was. There's another swimmer,

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01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 11: So I was like, who's this one? There's another one.

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01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 11: Anthony James a former British competitive swimmer. He was in

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01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 11: the twenty twelve Olympics and in October twenty twenty four

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01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 11: he was convicted on multiple counts, including rape and some

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01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 11: other awful things. But in February of twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 11: he was sentenced to twenty one years in prison. So

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Speaker 11: it sounds like there's a couple of unusual ones, but

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01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,759
Speaker 11: the Brock turned one, I definitely yeah.

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Speaker 5: That one's infuriating. That one is absolutely infuriating. In fact,

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01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 5: there's a there's a lady on TikTok that I follow

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01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 5: that talks almost exclusively about Brock Turner, and every time

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01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 5: I come across our videos, I'm like, oh, it just

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01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 5: boils my blood and I have to keep scrolling the same.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 4: So that's one we should definitely unpack for people who

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01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 4: don't know that one.

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Speaker 11: I think that's a good one, isn't that. I love

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01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 11: that our audience is always giving us a suggestion.

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01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 4: The smartest, that's they're the smartest. They're really smart, very smart.

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01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 4: Love Anyway, are we over already?

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01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I know all right, Well I hear

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01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: that music now it's making me said, I'm getting all

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01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 2: high up.

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01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 4: Okay, so listen. Great night with Joseph Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 2: We're so incredibly grateful that he was here Tomorrow, major

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01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: unpack on all things Diddy and a couple of new

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01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 2: cases that we've been really putting together. That we're excited

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01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 2: for you to hear. It's is true crime tonight. Stay

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Speaker 2: safe out there, back and