WEBVTT - 206: Spies Like Us 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.720 Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:26.079 partnership with Higheart Radio, shown as. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:36.000 Katie, how's your social life lately? What have you been doing? 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.240 Have you been going out? Wait? Do you have heat? 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.400 We no heat yet, but today they just installed the 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.680 water heater today. So, folks, it's been almost a month 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:51.279 that I've been showering with literally freezing cold water. It's 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.800 like extra cold. But today is they just installed the 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.600 water heater. So as I was showering today, it went 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.160 from freezing cold to like hot, and I was like, oh, 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.240 did you I didn't, but you check this out. Okay, 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.400 you're so in the middle of me taking the hot shower, 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.600 I turned it all the way to cold, like not 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:11.880 completely cold, but I was like, oh, this is because 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:13.000 I don't know my body. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:14.840 You're not trained it, I know. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.120 And now I'm like, well I don't want it too hot. Yeah. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.560 I was like, whoa, You'll change that. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:24.640 Yeah, it'll go away, Yeah. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:27.160 That will go away. Well, I have shit all in 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.760 my teeth because I was I was drinking a smoothie. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.520 Have you ever had mirror lax? I think it makes 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:34.080 you poop. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.399 Oh listen, everybody knows who knows me knows that I 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.800 poop like a duck. I don't need any help. 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.720 Wow, you and I are yin and yang. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.039 Yeah. I could literally think about pooping and be like, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.200 I have to go to the bathroom. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.279 You're so lucky if I don't chug like the most 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.360 water ever. I am just not a regular goal. Really, 0:01:55.160 --> 0:02:01.720 I was just watching this episode, Oh, Darby, her acting work, 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:07.680 I'm so envious, Like I just fuck her and her 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:14.400 fucking face, her fucking hair, her fucking body acting chops, 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.040 her acting chops. She's unbelievable. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.440 Listen, this is that scene when she's like boarding David 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.000 in his apartment, even her hair was acting. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.560 That's what I was just finishing watching. And she's like 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:33.840 the best at almost getting upset and holding it. 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.360 Which is so much more powerful than going there slipping 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:38.120 out completely. 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:39.720 Oh my god, Darby. 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.360 And the first day we met her, if I'm not mistaken, 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.040 was when we were about to do a table read 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.960 right for like some executives whoever it was some of 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:52.000 the Will Sewan it was a writer, but producers and 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.200 what have you, studio people. But that's the first time 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.280 we met her. In the first time, like she had 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.840 just she had just been cast and then she was 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.919 thrown into like, Okay, we're gonna do the table read. Yeah, 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:03.640 if I'm not mistaken crazy, Yes. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.120 And I also remember meeting her. She like came in 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.760 and she was wearing the like suit. I think she 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.280 wore to like the audition, which she had just had. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.840 I also think that the breakdown was like for a 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:21.040 much older woman who likes cats or like or like 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:25.640 pin like a needling, like fucking sewing or whatever, like 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.360 again similar to you, like, Yeah, she was completely different 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.600 from what the breakdown called for. 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.800 Yes, And I love that Shonda has an open mind 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.120 that way, and she's like, Nope, I'm going completely against type. 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.840 Yeh from you know that that was in the breakdown. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.640 A breakdown is a description of the character when you 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.520 go in for the audition. It's like you look in 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.040 like describing the character. 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.000 The most famous one that I ever heard of was 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:55.560 I think on Grey's Anatomy, this is like folklore in Shondaland. 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:56.760 I don't know if this is true, but I had 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.800 heard that the breakdown for Chandro Wilson characters. So it's 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.600 Chandra Wilson who fucking runs Gray's Anatomy and is like, 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:09.280 you know, the bulldog she plays doctor Bailey. The breakdown 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.480 was for a Kristin Chenowith type, what like a tiny 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:19.960 southern blonde like the girl next like a teeny teeny 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.039 animal that you would never expect to be the like 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.599 fucking driver of the you know, and like that. 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.000 Wow, I wonder if Kristin Chennawick auditioned for the role, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:31.200 she might right. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:35.160 And then supposedly Chandra Wilson came in and Shonda and 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.719 Lindelowie were like, Nope, that's Bailey, that's Space. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.120 I can't imagine anyone else playing that role. Do you 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.120 remember my Chandra. Chandra likes to make. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:51.560 It clear Chandra people called brilliant women. It's Hawk, it's Millie, 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:55.480 and it's Chandra, rhymes to like everyone in my family. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.600 I'm like, it is not Chandra rhymes like please stop, 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:03.600 it's Chandra will and Shonda rhymes exactly. 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.560 And do you remember when Chandra came on set and 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.040 she was shadowing. I think she was shadowing a director 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.960 for a few days. Oh man, I was so star 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:17.159 trust I love what She's such a great actor, she's 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:18.200 so good. 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.680 Such a great everything was the person that sat me down, 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.120 and I was like, how do you do this? Like 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.920 how do you have longevity? Like she was just saying 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:31.279 the key to episodic television was to just like, it's 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:35.720 all about the journey and the pace rather than like 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.800 the you know, what did I get this episode or 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.920 what didn't I get or whatever. She's like, you have 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:44.840 to look at this as like one huge, very long 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.920 paste thing and really think about like the healthiest things 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.320 you can do for the longevity of this, right. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.360 That's so, that's that's such great advice because even for me, 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.360 I mean there were times that I'd read an episode 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.479 and I'd be like, what the fuck, Like Huck is 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.640 hardly in this and so and so has so much 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.480 stuff to do, and yeah, you know, you start to 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.960 take it personal. But that I love that advice. It's 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:07.080 it's it's you know, it's a mam. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:11.600 She was like, no, exactly, exactly exactly. 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:15.839 And always, always, never failed. There was always an episode 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.680 down the pike that it was like super heavy with 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.160 your character, you know what I mean? So, yes, if 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:21.960 you just you. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:26.000 Know patience, by the way, people, we are talking about 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.599 episode two oh six, right, yes, spy, we're talking about 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.240 episode two o six Spies Like Us. It aired on 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.839 November fifteenth to twenty twelve, and it was. 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.919 Written by Chris Van Duson and directed by Bethany Rooney. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.919 There is a fucking scene where you're in Huck's office 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:49.360 and I walk in and you're listening to this amazing music, 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:51.560 which we'll talk about in a second of what's going 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:58.040 on the episode. But I came, what hi covin? And 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.720 it's so obvious that I'm looking at my mark, like 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.479 before my mark. Really the dumbest You have to go 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:11.000 back to the first scene where you are like decoding 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:16.600 the classical sheet music that had been yeah yeah, and 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.000 someone's already in there. I think Darby's already in there. 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.080 What the fuck is that sound? And Clinn walks in 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.960 and I take a real long step looking down for 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.800 a while, and then you see my dumb ass fucking 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.960 face look on it and trying to pretend like no 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.320 one noticed. How long I just like looked down for 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:35.200 the mark. 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.120 Yo for the listeners. A mark like when you're acting, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.840 the camera department will put down a piece of tape 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.120 with different different color to all actors have their own color, 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.600 and they call those marks and you have to hit 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.920 those marks so the camera could focus on you properly. 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.720 But a lot of oftentimes, like I see it all 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.560 the time on movies and TV shows where people look 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.280 down and then they look up and start acting because 0:07:58.280 --> 0:07:59.960 they're looking for their mark. They want to make sure 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.840 they hit their mark, because if you're off, then you 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.560 know you're out of focus or you're not in the 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:05.640 frame right. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.600 And the mark is like a t shape with one 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.880 piece of masking tape that goes in between your left 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:12.720 and right foot and then in te the top of 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.360 the tee your toes are supposed to hit, And like 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.480 on Scandal a lot of times with the beveled glass 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:19.840 and all this shit, it was like if you missed 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.400 it by even ninch, you were fucked and you were 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:23.360 fucking up their shot. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.520 Yeah. I made sure always to be like, walk up 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.680 to the mark once or twice and get used to it, yeah, 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.720 without looking at it. And then I always told myself, 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.200 do not look for your mark, because I would rather 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:36.319 be off. 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.760 And act the shit out of it than look down. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:39.679 Yeah. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.800 Oh well, honey, go back in this episode and take 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:48.440 a look at my work, because it is amateur acting, 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.080 one oh one. It is garbage. On a So Bad 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:58.360 It's Really Bad off Episode two. Sex is guest starring 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:02.760 Susan poor Far as Becky Flynn, Sam Anderson is Melvin Fien, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.480 Mary Pat Gleason as Betsy Ray. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.600 Adam Lazar White as Paul Gray, and Sarah Aldrich as 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.600 Maggie Andrews who's also wink. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.640 Oh that's right. They have all their spine names. Yeah, 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:17.520 and you were spin. 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.959 Oh, I was spin because they thought he would never 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.319 find someone, so spin short for Spinster. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.000 Right, you and you know what. At the end of Scandal, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:26.920 they were right. 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.599 Jaca is still fucking Willy spin. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.440 Willy Spence is just alone. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:33.720 God damn it? 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.960 What the fuck? Uh okay? Synopsis Real Quick, Huck's old 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.240 handler publicly executes himself as a warning to Huck, who 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.240 is prepared to leave it a moment's notice, but Olivia 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.320 begs for time to sort out what's going on, where 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.559 she then learns that about the threat to expose B 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.520 six thirteen from an Internet hacker. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:52.600 Huck assembles his old coworkers an ensemble of fellow assassins, 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:54.960 one of who must be the person ready to supply 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.320 the proof of the other operatives. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.360 The OPA team only have a short time to fix 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.760 the case before the killers handily themselves. That's right, that's right. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:04.800 So many guns in this episode. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:05.800 So many guns. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.480 Yo, guns, fuck. 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:16.319 Are fucking props. People were so hot, like shelf like professionals, 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.280 Like there was never a handing off of a gun 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.240 without everyone. I remember the crew even asking to look 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.760 inside the gun if we were any of us were 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:26.360 holding a gun. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.000 I can't believe how many times on the show I 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.400 held a gun. Didn't you me too, like hundreds of times. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.960 You know. A memory that popped up watching this episode 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.320 is how fucking heavy are those damn guns? 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:43.320 When you told me about shooting this episode, shaking everybody 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.880 was when you're holding a gun. 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.440 Listen, it's not heavy, but when you're holding a gun 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.679 up to another person in a scene, and sometimes in 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.839 this scene, we're holding that gun up and there's like 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.280 how many people. There's like eight of us in the scene, 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.080 so you have to hold that gun up for everyone's 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.600 coverage that she gets. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.760 It's no your arms were shaking, you would tell. You 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.480 told me after you shot this episode that it's like 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.240 you're trying to look like a motherfucker, like you're trying 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.040 to be so cool, and you're holding your gun with 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.920 like a perfectly straight arm, like at someone's face, and 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.640 your arm is just straight up quivering, shaking. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.079 My fucking breast are sweating. 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:22.600 Your pectoral My pectorals are away. My god. I love 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.560 this episode. I love everything having to do with spies. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.480 I feel like we say that every single episode, but no, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:30.600 fucking good. 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:32.920 I know they're all fucking good, but this point, Quinn 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.160 is not a spot. Quinn is not B six thirteen. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.800 This is the first motherfucking episode that we ever hear 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.880 the words BE six thirteen. Ye what writer in the 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:46.520 writer's room? Yeah, came up with the terminology B six thirteen. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.280 Give him cookies the fuck. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.040 This is also the first episode that I was like, Yo, 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:57.640 this episode feels special, it feels different. I was like, 0:11:57.679 --> 0:11:59.360 this episode could be a movie. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.760 Yes, it totally felt like a movie. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:07.160 Yeah. And it's this ominous, like dangerous tone to it. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.720 It's such such a special episode, and it was special 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:10.440 shooting it too. 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.240 It almost feels like a bottle episode, where like it's 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.960 its own storyline and its own container. I mean that's 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.160 not true, because the episode is filled with other stuff. 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:20.839 There's like shit going on in the white House where 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.319 James Novak writes a fucking article on the front page 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.640 of The Times out like that, using that Cyrus is 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.160 talking about Hollis and now Hollis has got a bone 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:32.120 and it's it's bad. 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.760 We have Edison and Olivia like going on a date. Yeah, yeah, they're. 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.080 Super cute together. But the shit that's going on in 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:44.199 OPA is big talk, big fighting for the office. There's 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.440 Steven has not been in the office and it's been 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:50.720 sitting there empty its entire second season, and everyone's doing 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:55.839 big office talk. Abby, Harrison, and Quinn all want that office. Yeah, 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.440 but I just love this episode. What I was thinking 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.640 was like, oh my god, Quinn has no idea yet 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.080 that she's going to be B six thirteen, that she 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.200 at one point on this show is also going to 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:06.760 be trained, that she's going to know how to do 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:07.280 all this shit. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.079 Like Yeah, there's even a scene where you mentioned what 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.520 is B six thirteen and Olivia gives you this look 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.600 and you're like, what what what did I say? 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:15.720 What's the issue? 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.679 Yeah, you're still that deer in headlights in this episode. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.160 Oh God, we will be back with more after the break. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:31.200 The Abby David shit in this episode is a huge winner. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.199 I mean he starts the episode saying, like you want 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.760 a drawer? It just is filled with like my hiking shit, 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.840 and I don't go hiking, so would you like a drawer? 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:43.000 Yeah? And she's also it goes from that to like 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.160 a shot of Olivia listening to that conversation, like she's 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:49.920 spying on them, and it was the first time I 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.280 was like, oh shit, Like Olivia's no joke, Like she's 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.000 going dark, like. 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.120 A bad friend. You're a bad, bad, bad friend, Like 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.600 your friend is clearly very happy. He's a very good dude. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.360 I think carry did such a good job. There's like 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.600 the bobble Head seen where she's listening and overhearing that 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:11.440 Abby and David are getting more serious and then she 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.520 knows that they can't be together because we can't have 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:19.760 Abby and them figuring out about defiance. But she sends 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:26.840 in Brolivia, and by Brolivia, I mean Harris Harrison. Harrison 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.120 goes to Livia like shit's getting weird in here, Dude, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.120 shit is getting weird. There are fucking spies in here. 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:37.360 Abby's having sex with you know, David Rosen, you are 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:38.800 with Edison, Like what is going on? 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.360 Things you're not Steven. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.640 Yes, there's a ghost. There's a ghost in this office, 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.520 Like what is up? And she's like, he's like what 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:49.920 do I do? What can I do? 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:51.600 What do you need? 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.240 And she's like I need you to end David Rosen 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.080 and Abby and he's like just kind of quiet, and 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.440 then she kind of says this line while she leaving 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.480 the room, but she says, like her husband used to 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:09.239 beat her. Use that so her that's. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:14.120 Not right, that's best friends do. Hell no. And also 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.920 because Harrison is so close with Abby, the fact that 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.400 he's the one that then ends up going and pays 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:25.520 one of Rosen's ex girlfriends from one hundred years ago, yes, 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.480 from one hundred years ago, to lie and say that 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:33.320 David beat her. Oh, it's such such a fucked up situation. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.920 All around, so fucked up, and Darby does such exquisite 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.560 work at the end. More towards the end of the episode, 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.080 she storms into David's apartment and she's like, you're not 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.760 a good guy. You're not a good guy, Like, look, 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.120 I have fucking photos of this girl's beat up, fucking 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.200 face from what you did. And he's like, go talk 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.480 to her, go ask her yourself, and she's like, I did. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.160 I went to coffee with her yesterday. She was crying 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:56.960 and I trust my. 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.160 Door told me. Yeah, I heard it from the horse's mouth, yes. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.960 And then and then Abby is like, and these are 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.000 the pictures of me when my husband. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.880 Beat me, and I found them in your drawer, like 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:08.360 they were in your boulders. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.640 And I was a target because you knew that I 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.320 was a target and then I was easy and that 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.640 I was a weak person, which is like Abby's achilles heel, 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:18.440 that anyone is ever going to think she's weak, and 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.720 it's why she's built this character that's had this whole 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:25.520 totally tough exterior. And then he tries to come near 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.480 her and like kind of console her, and she fucking 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.120 flinches and she's like, if you ever come near me, 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.080 I will kill you. 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.360 She's oh, and you believe that shit. 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:39.440 Oh you believe And then stupid ass bitch Olivia. Sorry, Gladiators, 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.280 I know we've Livia more than anything and she can 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.720 do no wrong. But then Abby's just sitting on her 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.160 office OPA couch saying like, I'm sorry I broke up 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:51.200 with David Rosen. I betrayed you, and I'm so sorry. Yeah, 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.480 she's holding tissues, and Olivia's like, it's okay, I'm there there, 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.280 and Harrison like walks through the back of the office 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.280 feeling like a shit like he should you. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.280 Said there there? I fucking love that, yo. But the 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.680 other thing that stood out for me in this episode 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.720 they're there, they're there. Are the fucking guest stars in 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.920 this episode? Like, how fucking lucky were we to have 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.600 these people? This dude Sam Anderson. Let me just rattle 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.040 off a few of his credits, New Heart, Hardcastle and McCormick, 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.840 The Golden Girls, Cagney and Lacy, What's Happening Now? Twenty one, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:28.439 Jump Street, La Bamba, Forrest Gump, Growing Pains, Lost of Course, 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.520 and then he did a bunch of horror movies. He 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.200 did a movie called Wija Origin of Evil. And that's 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:34.440 just a few of his credits. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.240 Do you know any of the horror films he has appeared? 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.840 I do, I do Oija Origin of Evil. It's about 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:40.639 a Oiji board. 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.800 Oh man, do you like Ouiji boards? 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.640 Hell? No, Katie, no, no no. I had a very 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.800 bad experience with a Wiji board when I was in 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.960 a grammar school and then in high school again, I 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.879 played it with friends and it it worked. Man, It's 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.560 scared the shit out of me. I had horrible dreams 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.720 and nightmares and I just from the. 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.200 First time or the second time, we're both from. 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:07.440 Both, from both, and then years cut to years later. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.520 Do you remember Teresa Kaputo from the Long Island Medium. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:11.360 She's a medium. 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.920 She's been on Katie's Crib talking about Good Morning, her book. Yes, 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.440 I've been on her show. You've been on her show, 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.840 and she's been a guest on Katie's Crib. We had 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.080 her on my other podcast talking about how to teach 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.359 children about death, how to talk to them about death, 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.840 how to properly mourn in front of children. She's fucking amazing. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.040 But okay, what did she say? 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.080 They asked me to do an episode of Long Island 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.040 Medium as well, and she came to me in Mikey's 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.760 house and she did a reading. When she was reading 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.600 us and doing her thing, she said, have you ever 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.000 played a widow Wigi board? And I said yeah, yeah, 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.160 And I was like, oh my god. And she said, 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.720 there's a spirit that you conjured up that came out 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.320 from when you played, that has been with you your 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:55.480 whole life. I have chills by my fucking arms right now. 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.080 I'm not even I am too, and I am fucking speechless, 0:18:58.119 --> 0:18:59.560 and you know I'm never speechless. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.360 Katie the Hair, I can't believe how. 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:08.600 Fuck did she say that the spirit was? 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.440 She said he's not bad. She even said his name. 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.040 I believe his name was Charlie. I wrote it down 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.560 in my thing. Isn't that crazy? But she said he 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:21.240 just attached himself to me. He's not evil, he's not bad, 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.680 but he just stayed with me. And she said that's 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.239 why people shouldn't. People think it's a game, and you know, 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.200 it's not real, but she was like, that's why people 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.280 should not play, because sometimes that could happen and it 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.000 could be a bad spirit and then you have this 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:35.040 horrible energy. 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.639 Like she does say that when she brings up spirits. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.919 She always says this terminology that I don't really like 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:43.920 to even think about because it kind of freaks me out. 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.639 But she's like, we're only asking for the spirits to 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.520 show up. Who are you know? Of are of good intention? 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.399 And like, yeah, will or something like that. And I 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.439 questioned her once about it. I was like, why do 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.200 you have to say that? And I didn't want to 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.240 even hear the answer, because I was like kind of scared, 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:03.119 but she was just like, well, because you know, there 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:08.159 can be some spirits that aren't that don't have the 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.080 best intentions and they're really not great. And I'm like, 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:12.080 oh my god. 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.800 Just like in real life, there's terrifying, Like but can 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.320 you fucking believe that? That's my fucking experience with So. 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:21.720 Why did you do it again the second time after 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:22.359 the first time? 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.879 I don't know. I don't I don't know, because you know, 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.240 peer pressure, your friends we were I did it too. 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.359 I was peer pressured like multiple times to do is 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.760