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Speaker 2: Katie, how's your social life lately? What have you been doing?
Speaker 2: Have you been going out? Wait? Do you have heat?
Speaker 1: We no heat yet, but today they just installed the
Speaker 1: water heater today. So, folks, it's been almost a month
Speaker 1: that I've been showering with literally freezing cold water. It's
Speaker 1: like extra cold. But today is they just installed the
Speaker 1: water heater. So as I was showering today, it went
Speaker 1: from freezing cold to like hot, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: did you I didn't, but you check this out. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're so in the middle of me taking the hot shower,
Speaker 1: I turned it all the way to cold, like not
Speaker 1: completely cold, but I was like, oh, this is because
Speaker 1: I don't know my body.
Speaker 2: You're not trained it, I know.
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, well I don't want it too hot. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, You'll change that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll go away, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That will go away. Well, I have shit all in
Speaker 2: my teeth because I was I was drinking a smoothie.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had mirror lax? I think it makes
Speaker 2: you poop.
Speaker 1: Oh listen, everybody knows who knows me knows that I
Speaker 1: poop like a duck. I don't need any help.
Speaker 2: Wow, you and I are yin and yang.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I could literally think about pooping and be like,
Speaker 1: I have to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2: You're so lucky if I don't chug like the most
Speaker 2: water ever. I am just not a regular goal. Really,
Speaker 2: I was just watching this episode, Oh, Darby, her acting work,
Speaker 2: I'm so envious, Like I just fuck her and her
Speaker 2: fucking face, her fucking hair, her fucking body acting chops,
Speaker 2: her acting chops. She's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Listen, this is that scene when she's like boarding David
Speaker 1: in his apartment, even her hair was acting.
Speaker 2: That's what I was just finishing watching. And she's like
Speaker 2: the best at almost getting upset and holding it.
Speaker 1: Which is so much more powerful than going there slipping
Speaker 1: out completely.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Darby.
Speaker 1: And the first day we met her, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: was when we were about to do a table read
Speaker 1: right for like some executives whoever it was some of
Speaker 1: the Will Sewan it was a writer, but producers and
Speaker 1: what have you, studio people. But that's the first time
Speaker 1: we met her. In the first time, like she had
Speaker 1: just she had just been cast and then she was
Speaker 1: thrown into like, Okay, we're gonna do the table read. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken crazy, Yes.
Speaker 2: And I also remember meeting her. She like came in
Speaker 2: and she was wearing the like suit. I think she
Speaker 2: wore to like the audition, which she had just had.
Speaker 2: I also think that the breakdown was like for a
Speaker 2: much older woman who likes cats or like or like
Speaker 2: pin like a needling, like fucking sewing or whatever, like
Speaker 2: again similar to you, like, Yeah, she was completely different
Speaker 2: from what the breakdown called for.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I love that Shonda has an open mind
Speaker 1: that way, and she's like, Nope, I'm going completely against type.
Speaker 1: Yeh from you know that that was in the breakdown.
Speaker 1: A breakdown is a description of the character when you
Speaker 1: go in for the audition. It's like you look in
Speaker 1: like describing the character.
Speaker 2: The most famous one that I ever heard of was
Speaker 2: I think on Grey's Anatomy, this is like folklore in Shondaland.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is true, but I had
Speaker 2: heard that the breakdown for Chandro Wilson characters. So it's
Speaker 2: Chandra Wilson who fucking runs Gray's Anatomy and is like,
Speaker 2: you know, the bulldog she plays doctor Bailey. The breakdown
Speaker 2: was for a Kristin Chenowith type, what like a tiny
Speaker 2: southern blonde like the girl next like a teeny teeny
Speaker 2: animal that you would never expect to be the like
Speaker 2: fucking driver of the you know, and like that.
Speaker 1: Wow, I wonder if Kristin Chennawick auditioned for the role,
Speaker 1: she might right.
Speaker 2: And then supposedly Chandra Wilson came in and Shonda and
Speaker 2: Lindelowie were like, Nope, that's Bailey, that's Space.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine anyone else playing that role. Do you
Speaker 1: remember my Chandra. Chandra likes to make.
Speaker 2: It clear Chandra people called brilliant women. It's Hawk, it's Millie,
Speaker 2: and it's Chandra, rhymes to like everyone in my family.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it is not Chandra rhymes like please stop,
Speaker 2: it's Chandra will and Shonda rhymes exactly.
Speaker 1: And do you remember when Chandra came on set and
Speaker 1: she was shadowing. I think she was shadowing a director
Speaker 1: for a few days. Oh man, I was so star
Speaker 1: trust I love what She's such a great actor, she's
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 2: Such a great everything was the person that sat me down,
Speaker 2: and I was like, how do you do this? Like
Speaker 2: how do you have longevity? Like she was just saying
Speaker 2: the key to episodic television was to just like, it's
Speaker 2: all about the journey and the pace rather than like
Speaker 2: the you know, what did I get this episode or
Speaker 2: what didn't I get or whatever. She's like, you have
Speaker 2: to look at this as like one huge, very long
Speaker 2: paste thing and really think about like the healthiest things
Speaker 2: you can do for the longevity of this, right.
Speaker 1: That's so, that's that's such great advice because even for me,
Speaker 1: I mean there were times that I'd read an episode
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, what the fuck, Like Huck is
Speaker 1: hardly in this and so and so has so much
Speaker 1: stuff to do, and yeah, you know, you start to
Speaker 1: take it personal. But that I love that advice. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's a mam.
Speaker 2: She was like, no, exactly, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And always, always, never failed. There was always an episode
Speaker 1: down the pike that it was like super heavy with
Speaker 1: your character, you know what I mean? So, yes, if
Speaker 1: you just you.
Speaker 2: Know patience, by the way, people, we are talking about
Speaker 2: episode two oh six, right, yes, spy, we're talking about
Speaker 2: episode two o six Spies Like Us. It aired on
Speaker 2: November fifteenth to twenty twelve, and it was.
Speaker 1: Written by Chris Van Duson and directed by Bethany Rooney.
Speaker 2: There is a fucking scene where you're in Huck's office
Speaker 2: and I walk in and you're listening to this amazing music,
Speaker 2: which we'll talk about in a second of what's going
Speaker 2: on the episode. But I came, what hi covin? And
Speaker 2: it's so obvious that I'm looking at my mark, like
Speaker 2: before my mark. Really the dumbest You have to go
Speaker 2: back to the first scene where you are like decoding
Speaker 2: the classical sheet music that had been yeah yeah, and
Speaker 2: someone's already in there. I think Darby's already in there.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is that sound? And Clinn walks in
Speaker 2: and I take a real long step looking down for
Speaker 2: a while, and then you see my dumb ass fucking
Speaker 2: face look on it and trying to pretend like no
Speaker 2: one noticed. How long I just like looked down for
Speaker 2: the mark.
Speaker 1: Yo for the listeners. A mark like when you're acting,
Speaker 1: the camera department will put down a piece of tape
Speaker 1: with different different color to all actors have their own color,
Speaker 1: and they call those marks and you have to hit
Speaker 1: those marks so the camera could focus on you properly.
Speaker 1: But a lot of oftentimes, like I see it all
Speaker 1: the time on movies and TV shows where people look
Speaker 1: down and then they look up and start acting because
Speaker 1: they're looking for their mark. They want to make sure
Speaker 1: they hit their mark, because if you're off, then you
Speaker 1: know you're out of focus or you're not in the
Speaker 1: frame right.
Speaker 2: And the mark is like a t shape with one
Speaker 2: piece of masking tape that goes in between your left
Speaker 2: and right foot and then in te the top of
Speaker 2: the tee your toes are supposed to hit, And like
Speaker 2: on Scandal a lot of times with the beveled glass
Speaker 2: and all this shit, it was like if you missed
Speaker 2: it by even ninch, you were fucked and you were
Speaker 2: fucking up their shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I made sure always to be like, walk up
Speaker 1: to the mark once or twice and get used to it, yeah,
Speaker 1: without looking at it. And then I always told myself,
Speaker 1: do not look for your mark, because I would rather
Speaker 1: be off.
Speaker 2: And act the shit out of it than look down.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh well, honey, go back in this episode and take
Speaker 2: a look at my work, because it is amateur acting,
Speaker 2: one oh one. It is garbage. On a So Bad
Speaker 2: It's Really Bad off Episode two. Sex is guest starring
Speaker 2: Susan poor Far as Becky Flynn, Sam Anderson is Melvin Fien,
Speaker 2: Mary Pat Gleason as Betsy Ray.
Speaker 1: Adam Lazar White as Paul Gray, and Sarah Aldrich as
Speaker 1: Maggie Andrews who's also wink.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. They have all their spine names. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you were spin.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was spin because they thought he would never
Speaker 1: find someone, so spin short for Spinster.
Speaker 2: Right, you and you know what. At the end of Scandal,
Speaker 2: they were right.
Speaker 1: Jaca is still fucking Willy spin.
Speaker 2: Willy Spence is just alone.
Speaker 1: God damn it?
Speaker 2: What the fuck? Uh okay? Synopsis Real Quick, Huck's old
Speaker 2: handler publicly executes himself as a warning to Huck, who
Speaker 2: is prepared to leave it a moment's notice, but Olivia
Speaker 2: begs for time to sort out what's going on, where
Speaker 2: she then learns that about the threat to expose B
Speaker 2: six thirteen from an Internet hacker.
Speaker 1: Huck assembles his old coworkers an ensemble of fellow assassins,
Speaker 1: one of who must be the person ready to supply
Speaker 1: the proof of the other operatives.
Speaker 2: The OPA team only have a short time to fix
Speaker 2: the case before the killers handily themselves. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: So many guns in this episode.
Speaker 1: So many guns.
Speaker 2: Yo, guns, fuck.
Speaker 1: Are fucking props. People were so hot, like shelf like professionals,
Speaker 1: Like there was never a handing off of a gun
Speaker 1: without everyone. I remember the crew even asking to look
Speaker 1: inside the gun if we were any of us were
Speaker 1: holding a gun.
Speaker 2: I can't believe how many times on the show I
Speaker 2: held a gun. Didn't you me too, like hundreds of times.
Speaker 1: You know. A memory that popped up watching this episode
Speaker 1: is how fucking heavy are those damn guns?
Speaker 2: When you told me about shooting this episode, shaking everybody
Speaker 2: was when you're holding a gun.
Speaker 1: Listen, it's not heavy, but when you're holding a gun
Speaker 1: up to another person in a scene, and sometimes in
Speaker 1: this scene, we're holding that gun up and there's like
Speaker 1: how many people. There's like eight of us in the scene,
Speaker 1: so you have to hold that gun up for everyone's
Speaker 1: coverage that she gets.
Speaker 2: It's no your arms were shaking, you would tell. You
Speaker 2: told me after you shot this episode that it's like
Speaker 2: you're trying to look like a motherfucker, like you're trying
Speaker 2: to be so cool, and you're holding your gun with
Speaker 2: like a perfectly straight arm, like at someone's face, and
Speaker 2: your arm is just straight up quivering, shaking.
Speaker 1: My fucking breast are sweating.
Speaker 2: Your pectoral My pectorals are away. My god. I love
Speaker 2: this episode. I love everything having to do with spies.
Speaker 1: I feel like we say that every single episode, but no,
Speaker 1: fucking good.
Speaker 2: I know they're all fucking good, but this point, Quinn
Speaker 2: is not a spot. Quinn is not B six thirteen.
Speaker 2: This is the first motherfucking episode that we ever hear
Speaker 2: the words BE six thirteen. Ye what writer in the
Speaker 2: writer's room? Yeah, came up with the terminology B six thirteen.
Speaker 2: Give him cookies the fuck.
Speaker 1: This is also the first episode that I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this episode feels special, it feels different. I was like,
Speaker 1: this episode could be a movie.
Speaker 2: Yes, it totally felt like a movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's this ominous, like dangerous tone to it.
Speaker 1: It's such such a special episode, and it was special
Speaker 1: shooting it too.
Speaker 2: It almost feels like a bottle episode, where like it's
Speaker 2: its own storyline and its own container. I mean that's
Speaker 2: not true, because the episode is filled with other stuff.
Speaker 2: There's like shit going on in the white House where
Speaker 2: James Novak writes a fucking article on the front page
Speaker 2: of The Times out like that, using that Cyrus is
Speaker 2: talking about Hollis and now Hollis has got a bone
Speaker 2: and it's it's bad.
Speaker 1: We have Edison and Olivia like going on a date. Yeah, yeah, they're.
Speaker 2: Super cute together. But the shit that's going on in
Speaker 2: OPA is big talk, big fighting for the office. There's
Speaker 2: Steven has not been in the office and it's been
Speaker 2: sitting there empty its entire second season, and everyone's doing
Speaker 2: big office talk. Abby, Harrison, and Quinn all want that office. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I just love this episode. What I was thinking
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, Quinn has no idea yet
Speaker 2: that she's going to be B six thirteen, that she
Speaker 2: at one point on this show is also going to
Speaker 2: be trained, that she's going to know how to do
Speaker 2: all this shit.
Speaker 1: Like Yeah, there's even a scene where you mentioned what
Speaker 1: is B six thirteen and Olivia gives you this look
Speaker 1: and you're like, what what what did I say?
Speaker 2: What's the issue?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're still that deer in headlights in this episode.
Speaker 2: Oh God, we will be back with more after the break.
Speaker 2: The Abby David shit in this episode is a huge winner.
Speaker 2: I mean he starts the episode saying, like you want
Speaker 2: a drawer? It just is filled with like my hiking shit,
Speaker 2: and I don't go hiking, so would you like a drawer?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And she's also it goes from that to like
Speaker 1: a shot of Olivia listening to that conversation, like she's
Speaker 1: spying on them, and it was the first time I
Speaker 1: was like, oh shit, Like Olivia's no joke, Like she's
Speaker 1: going dark, like.
Speaker 2: A bad friend. You're a bad, bad, bad friend, Like
Speaker 2: your friend is clearly very happy. He's a very good dude.
Speaker 2: I think carry did such a good job. There's like
Speaker 2: the bobble Head seen where she's listening and overhearing that
Speaker 2: Abby and David are getting more serious and then she
Speaker 2: knows that they can't be together because we can't have
Speaker 2: Abby and them figuring out about defiance. But she sends
Speaker 2: in Brolivia, and by Brolivia, I mean Harris Harrison. Harrison
Speaker 2: goes to Livia like shit's getting weird in here, Dude,
Speaker 2: shit is getting weird. There are fucking spies in here.
Speaker 2: Abby's having sex with you know, David Rosen, you are
Speaker 2: with Edison, Like what is going on?
Speaker 1: Things you're not Steven.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a ghost. There's a ghost in this office,
Speaker 2: Like what is up? And she's like, he's like what
Speaker 2: do I do? What can I do?
Speaker 1: What do you need?
Speaker 2: And she's like I need you to end David Rosen
Speaker 2: and Abby and he's like just kind of quiet, and
Speaker 2: then she kind of says this line while she leaving
Speaker 2: the room, but she says, like her husband used to
Speaker 2: beat her. Use that so her that's.
Speaker 1: Not right, that's best friends do. Hell no. And also
Speaker 1: because Harrison is so close with Abby, the fact that
Speaker 1: he's the one that then ends up going and pays
Speaker 1: one of Rosen's ex girlfriends from one hundred years ago, yes,
Speaker 1: from one hundred years ago, to lie and say that
Speaker 1: David beat her. Oh, it's such such a fucked up situation.
Speaker 2: All around, so fucked up, and Darby does such exquisite
Speaker 2: work at the end. More towards the end of the episode,
Speaker 2: she storms into David's apartment and she's like, you're not
Speaker 2: a good guy. You're not a good guy, Like, look,
Speaker 2: I have fucking photos of this girl's beat up, fucking
Speaker 2: face from what you did. And he's like, go talk
Speaker 2: to her, go ask her yourself, and she's like, I did.
Speaker 2: I went to coffee with her yesterday. She was crying
Speaker 2: and I trust my.
Speaker 1: Door told me. Yeah, I heard it from the horse's mouth, yes.
Speaker 2: And then and then Abby is like, and these are
Speaker 2: the pictures of me when my husband.
Speaker 1: Beat me, and I found them in your drawer, like
Speaker 1: they were in your boulders.
Speaker 2: And I was a target because you knew that I
Speaker 2: was a target and then I was easy and that
Speaker 2: I was a weak person, which is like Abby's achilles heel,
Speaker 2: that anyone is ever going to think she's weak, and
Speaker 2: it's why she's built this character that's had this whole
Speaker 2: totally tough exterior. And then he tries to come near
Speaker 2: her and like kind of console her, and she fucking
Speaker 2: flinches and she's like, if you ever come near me,
Speaker 2: I will kill you.
Speaker 1: She's oh, and you believe that shit.
Speaker 2: Oh you believe And then stupid ass bitch Olivia. Sorry, Gladiators,
Speaker 2: I know we've Livia more than anything and she can
Speaker 2: do no wrong. But then Abby's just sitting on her
Speaker 2: office OPA couch saying like, I'm sorry I broke up
Speaker 2: with David Rosen. I betrayed you, and I'm so sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's holding tissues, and Olivia's like, it's okay, I'm there there,
Speaker 2: and Harrison like walks through the back of the office
Speaker 2: feeling like a shit like he should you.
Speaker 1: Said there there? I fucking love that, yo. But the
Speaker 1: other thing that stood out for me in this episode
Speaker 1: they're there, they're there. Are the fucking guest stars in
Speaker 1: this episode? Like, how fucking lucky were we to have
Speaker 1: these people? This dude Sam Anderson. Let me just rattle
Speaker 1: off a few of his credits, New Heart, Hardcastle and McCormick,
Speaker 1: The Golden Girls, Cagney and Lacy, What's Happening Now? Twenty one,
Speaker 1: Jump Street, La Bamba, Forrest Gump, Growing Pains, Lost of Course,
Speaker 1: and then he did a bunch of horror movies. He
Speaker 1: did a movie called Wija Origin of Evil. And that's
Speaker 1: just a few of his credits.
Speaker 2: Do you know any of the horror films he has appeared?
Speaker 1: I do, I do Oija Origin of Evil. It's about
Speaker 1: a Oiji board.
Speaker 2: Oh man, do you like Ouiji boards?
Speaker 1: Hell? No, Katie, no, no no. I had a very
Speaker 1: bad experience with a Wiji board when I was in
Speaker 1: a grammar school and then in high school again, I
Speaker 1: played it with friends and it it worked. Man, It's
Speaker 1: scared the shit out of me. I had horrible dreams
Speaker 1: and nightmares and I just from the.
Speaker 2: First time or the second time, we're both from.
Speaker 1: Both, from both, and then years cut to years later.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Teresa Kaputo from the Long Island Medium.
Speaker 1: She's a medium.
Speaker 2: She's been on Katie's Crib talking about Good Morning, her book. Yes,
Speaker 2: I've been on her show. You've been on her show,
Speaker 2: and she's been a guest on Katie's Crib. We had
Speaker 2: her on my other podcast talking about how to teach
Speaker 2: children about death, how to talk to them about death,
Speaker 2: how to properly mourn in front of children. She's fucking amazing.
Speaker 2: But okay, what did she say?
Speaker 1: They asked me to do an episode of Long Island
Speaker 1: Medium as well, and she came to me in Mikey's
Speaker 1: house and she did a reading. When she was reading
Speaker 1: us and doing her thing, she said, have you ever
Speaker 1: played a widow Wigi board? And I said yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god. And she said,
Speaker 1: there's a spirit that you conjured up that came out
Speaker 1: from when you played, that has been with you your
Speaker 1: whole life. I have chills by my fucking arms right now.
Speaker 2: I'm not even I am too, and I am fucking speechless,
Speaker 2: and you know I'm never speechless.
Speaker 1: Katie the Hair, I can't believe how.
Speaker 2: Fuck did she say that the spirit was?
Speaker 1: She said he's not bad. She even said his name.
Speaker 1: I believe his name was Charlie. I wrote it down
Speaker 1: in my thing. Isn't that crazy? But she said he
Speaker 1: just attached himself to me. He's not evil, he's not bad,
Speaker 1: but he just stayed with me. And she said that's
Speaker 1: why people shouldn't. People think it's a game, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's not real, but she was like, that's why people
Speaker 1: should not play, because sometimes that could happen and it
Speaker 1: could be a bad spirit and then you have this
Speaker 1: horrible energy.
Speaker 2: Like she does say that when she brings up spirits.
Speaker 2: She always says this terminology that I don't really like
Speaker 2: to even think about because it kind of freaks me out.
Speaker 2: But she's like, we're only asking for the spirits to
Speaker 2: show up. Who are you know? Of are of good intention?
Speaker 2: And like, yeah, will or something like that. And I
Speaker 2: questioned her once about it. I was like, why do
Speaker 2: you have to say that? And I didn't want to
Speaker 2: even hear the answer, because I was like kind of scared,
Speaker 2: but she was just like, well, because you know, there
Speaker 2: can be some spirits that aren't that don't have the
Speaker 2: best intentions and they're really not great. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god.
Speaker 1: Just like in real life, there's terrifying, Like but can
Speaker 1: you fucking believe that? That's my fucking experience with So.
Speaker 2: Why did you do it again the second time after
Speaker 2: the first time?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I don't know, because you know,
Speaker 1: peer pressure, your friends we were I did it too.
Speaker 2: I was peer pressured like multiple times to do is
Speaker 2: fucking horrible. And you're all screaming at each other like
Speaker 2: you're moving it. No, you're moving it. You moved it.
Speaker 2: And you were supposed to start the ouiji boord session
Speaker 2: with like are there any spirits currently in the room
Speaker 2: or something like that, and it'll point to like yes,
Speaker 2: and then you're like and then you're like, what is
Speaker 2: your name? And it like spells out a name and
Speaker 2: then you're like.
Speaker 1: And when I played it, I went I went to
Speaker 1: Catholic school my whole life. I played it in our
Speaker 1: cafeteria in my school, which is attached to a church,
Speaker 1: so I was in a sort of you know, a
Speaker 1: sacred place if you will, and that's where I was
Speaker 1: playing it. And then we played it again at my
Speaker 1: friend's house that same day, that same night anyway.
Speaker 2: And she said, Charlie has attached himself to you your
Speaker 2: whole life.
Speaker 1: Can you believe that?
Speaker 2: Do you ever when you're alone in a room, do
Speaker 2: you feel like I'm not alone because he's here, or
Speaker 2: do you feel do you ever feel totally alone?
Speaker 1: I thank the universe that I never feel anything evil
Speaker 1: or unsettling around me. It's funny. After Teresa did that
Speaker 1: whole day with us of shooting and yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: giving us the reading, for about a week, Mikey and
Speaker 1: I kept seeing stuff like moving or we were like
Speaker 1: shadows and it felt like there was there was presences
Speaker 1: around us, and it was it was weird. And then
Speaker 1: someone we talked to someone who worked on the show
Speaker 1: and they said, yeah, sometimes though spirits of course will
Speaker 1: stick around, you know for a little bit. Because she
Speaker 1: just had them all come to your house so she
Speaker 1: could talk to them. Oh and that was that was weird.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't again, it wasn't evil, It wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: anything negative.
Speaker 2: Charlie is not malevolent? Yes, yes, how did we get
Speaker 2: on this subject?
Speaker 1: I know because fucking Sam Origin of Evil?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, was it a good movie?
Speaker 1: Oh it was a good movie. But you know, g
Speaker 1: Boord movies freak me out because I start thinking about
Speaker 1: my experiences.
Speaker 2: Odd. Okay, So other things that happened in this episode
Speaker 2: is that all these guest stars come in and all
Speaker 2: of the o PA people are waiting for all of
Speaker 2: them to arrive, and we think they're gonna be like
Speaker 2: the craziest, most badass looking spies you've ever seen in
Speaker 2: your life. And the first one to come out is
Speaker 2: Maggie Andrew's wink and she's so cute and she's a
Speaker 2: mother of three and she's a little pink cardigan, super blonde,
Speaker 2: super blonde. And then all of a sudden she starts
Speaker 2: to like throw all of her guns in the.
Speaker 1: Bast Yeah, is like, we gotta scrub you. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: love that too, because even when I first read this episode,
Speaker 1: I thought I had all these like, you know, just
Speaker 1: your typical, your stereotypical like thug looking, spy looking people.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, there's gonna be some interesting actors.
Speaker 1: And they were all very like woman next door, guy
Speaker 1: next door.
Speaker 2: And it's like such a dress. The other one looks
Speaker 2: like a librarian. Mary pat Gleeson, who's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Oh, Mary Pet Gleason, I love her. She just passed
Speaker 1: away in twenty twenty. Yeah, but she was. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: been in a ton of great stuff. She was in
Speaker 1: Mama's Family, which I love so much. I love the
Speaker 1: carabernetco and Murphy Brown Troop Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: She's legend, She's legend.
Speaker 1: She was in the Crucible. Yeah, she played Martha Corey
Speaker 1: in The Crucible. Yeah, which she was in Basic.
Speaker 2: She's had such an incredible she had an incredible career.
Speaker 2: I am so sad to hear that she does.
Speaker 1: I know right, me too, me too. And her character's
Speaker 1: name is a Matches because.
Speaker 2: She could just light ship the.
Speaker 1: Fly shot, burned the place down.
Speaker 2: What was Maggie Andrews's special spy for?
Speaker 1: She was a sniper. Every time he looked at her,
Speaker 1: she had one eye click.
Speaker 2: Right right, right, right right right. And then and Sam
Speaker 2: Anderson comes off. He's like a doctor, and we learned
Speaker 2: like he thought he was a doctor doing good and
Speaker 2: then he realized he just needed he was still addicted
Speaker 2: to just fucking cutting bodies open.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, that's yeah. I love that piece of information.
Speaker 1: Me too, Me too, And Huck says something like he
Speaker 1: was an expert at knowing how much pain someone could
Speaker 1: take before they actually.
Speaker 2: Die, and now he's a oofter god fuck.
Speaker 1: And then there's a couple of other spies that Adam
Speaker 1: Lazar White who plays Paul Gray, who's like a professor
Speaker 1: now yes, and he could speak like seventeen language languages yep.
Speaker 2: And then the last person to walk off the OPA
Speaker 2: elevator is our one and only Charlie And what was
Speaker 2: his nickname?
Speaker 1: Charlie's nickname was Charles Manson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but did he have a specialty?
Speaker 1: Does it say he was amazing really great at disappearing
Speaker 1: someone for good, like really well, which.
Speaker 2: We saw him do in season one to Amanda Tanner.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's why you see the tension between Hock
Speaker 1: and Charlie in this episode is super heavy and just.
Speaker 2: Loaded with like, did the two of you do any
Speaker 2: actor prep work for that?
Speaker 1: We tell no, we did not. You know, our actor
Speaker 1: prep work was going, Hey, uh, George, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to craft. Do you want to come. He was like yep,
Speaker 1: and we'd both go to Crafty and like Grey's Crafty.
Speaker 1: Oh look they have little pieces of cake. Oh there's
Speaker 1: sandwiches over there. That was our fucking prep work.
Speaker 2: You guys are And then I would join in on that.
Speaker 1: Always you were like what do they have? We'll be
Speaker 1: right back, guys.
Speaker 2: Okay. Other winning moments, winning scenes of this app Okay,
Speaker 2: Quinn gets a new office, yeah, which I love because
Speaker 2: person moves over to Steven's office. So Quinn does the
Speaker 2: stupid thing with her jaw and she drops another goddamn
Speaker 2: cup of coffee because we've left the spies for just
Speaker 2: a few minutes. While we're figuring out Olivia's out trying
Speaker 2: to work all her contacts. The spies are all holding
Speaker 2: each other at gunpoint, and then Harrison comes in and
Speaker 2: have a fucking best monologue, Oh, talking them down from
Speaker 2: shooting each other. Yes, And then he walks out and
Speaker 2: he's like that's big office talk, baby, big office talks.
Speaker 2: And he goes into Steven's office and then I'm like, yay,
Speaker 2: I get my office too, and I like run out
Speaker 2: to my own. And then we see this close up
Speaker 2: on Harrison where actually that was impossible for him, and
Speaker 2: it was all affront in his hand, like can't stop
Speaker 2: shaking because he thought he was gonna get shot and
Speaker 2: everybody was going to die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, I love that. I love that. There's also
Speaker 1: a really memorable scene in this episode is when Hawk
Speaker 1: is fussing with the radio with an old school radio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's calling the spies through the frequences of the radio,
Speaker 1: And I just love that so much. And you hear
Speaker 1: in the background, you hear three blind mice playing, and
Speaker 1: it's so ominous and dark and oh so cool. A
Speaker 1: radio for you guys, for the younger generation, is an apparatus,
Speaker 1: a box that we would turn on with a button.
Speaker 1: We would plug it into the wall somewhere battery operated,
Speaker 1: and you could hear music out of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could like you couldn't scroll with a button.
Speaker 2: You actually had to like turn a dial.
Speaker 1: You had to turn a fucking dial.
Speaker 2: To find a fucking station.
Speaker 1: And some radios had cassette tape holders and you could
Speaker 1: put a cassette tape and when you found your favorite station,
Speaker 1: like Z one hundred er bls were some of my favorites,
Speaker 1: and when they played your favorite song, you press record
Speaker 1: and record.
Speaker 2: That's we are such New Yorkers. Z one hundred is
Speaker 2: what I grew up really all day, one night, Z
Speaker 2: one Z one hundred.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh, man, radios. I miss radios. Does anybody have
Speaker 1: radios anymore?
Speaker 2: Well, you're still on an iPod, honey, I'm still on
Speaker 2: a fuck So you're like the only person I know
Speaker 2: that doesn't have Spotify? Or do you have serious radio
Speaker 2: in your car?
Speaker 1: I do I have Serious in my car?
Speaker 2: And is there a Madonna station?
Speaker 1: No? Right, not that I know of. No, not that
Speaker 1: I know of.
Speaker 2: Okay, you would know.
Speaker 1: There's an Elvis Presley station.
Speaker 2: There is, and it's great, but there's not a Madonna
Speaker 2: one yet. Yes, what I love the most also about
Speaker 2: this episode, and then we can do some fun facts.
Speaker 2: But when Abby just is crying at the end and
Speaker 2: she leaves David and we're wrapping up the episode, and
Speaker 2: we see that the rest of the spies are going
Speaker 2: to go off and live happy lives because they found
Speaker 2: the one spy that sorted out of them, the doctor
Speaker 2: Sam Anderson. They shoot him.
Speaker 1: Has this like heart wrenching speech, not because they let's
Speaker 1: not kill anyone. Figure out that Melvin Fee is the rat, right,
Speaker 1: So then the others, all the Spies want to kill him.
Speaker 1: They want to murder him. Yeah, and Huck has this
Speaker 1: lovely speech and he's like, you know, he's one of us,
Speaker 1: Like he's just a regular guy and he just wanted
Speaker 1: a better life and blah blah blah, and all the
Speaker 1: Spies are like yeah, yeah, yeah, And then next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, two seconds later, fucking Wink shoots some dead
Speaker 1: between the eyes and Huck is just sitting there in.
Speaker 2: A Chuck is just sitting there like a lost like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you were.
Speaker 1: Reformed, yeah slightly, yes, yes, slightly slightly. But that's such
Speaker 1: a wonderful scene where they have that time lap scene
Speaker 1: of cleaning their eyes, cleaning up, and then there's even
Speaker 1: a moment where a Wink cleans my face and Huck
Speaker 1: is just sitting there the whole time, just like I
Speaker 1: can't believe this happened, Just like, you know.
Speaker 2: Do you remember anything from shooting that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I remember it being a really really emotional, emotional
Speaker 1: scene to shoot. It was fun. I had a blast
Speaker 1: doing it.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't take the fucking sound when you do
Speaker 2: the time lapse and the cleanup and the spies go
Speaker 2: on to live their happy lives except for Charlie, who
Speaker 2: you know, he's looking to get back in business, most
Speaker 2: likely with Cyrus. And we see David Rosen putting a
Speaker 2: picture of James on his wall who and he's totally
Speaker 2: ready to return back to the Cytron case without Abby.
Speaker 2: He's going to do it alone. And Edison and Olivia
Speaker 2: are sort of moving their relationship forward, and we end
Speaker 2: the episode with Edison staying over to Olivia's. But the
Speaker 2: whole time, it's my favorite song. It's broken windows and
Speaker 2: empty hall always moings and the sky streaked with gray,
Speaker 2: human kindness is overflowing, and I think it's gonna rain.
Speaker 1: Ah sing it, bitch, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's so fucking beautiful.
Speaker 1: Wait, who sings that, Katie?
Speaker 2: It's Nana Simone. I think it's gonna rain today. And
Speaker 2: the lyrics are so outstanding, and the whole song is
Speaker 2: like so beautiful and so juxtaposed to the mood of like,
Speaker 2: it's the best fucking song choice.
Speaker 1: Scam your feels like it damn it shoves you in
Speaker 1: your feels. K I just say, you have such a
Speaker 1: beautiful voice. I've heard Katie saying several so many times
Speaker 1: throughout my life. I'm very since Kat, but that was
Speaker 1: so good man.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I love to saying and I don't get
Speaker 2: to do it very often, but like it is one
Speaker 2: of the first loves of my life until I realize, like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, I'm as great as like so many people
Speaker 2: at this I think I'm gonna go over here and
Speaker 2: do acting by itself, by itself, like other fun facts
Speaker 2: of this episode, Like I said, this is the first
Speaker 2: fucking mention of B six thirteen. What else? What other
Speaker 2: fun facts you got?
Speaker 1: Another fun fact that I sort of discovered on my
Speaker 1: own when I was looking up of guest stars on IMDb,
Speaker 1: is that Ron Austro who was one of our stand
Speaker 1: ins please Sarnoff in the like in the computer and
Speaker 1: his face is blurred. Who is it ron Ostro? Remember
Speaker 1: he he was sort of the skinny older guy.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love Ron of course. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm thinking about him in terms of he's
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's so wonderful episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, shout out to him. What a
Speaker 2: freaking oh my god, I haven't thought about him forever.
Speaker 2: What a dream guy? Okay, Olivia Pope makes a reference
Speaker 2: to Monica Lewinsky defending former President Bill Clinton when she's
Speaker 2: talking Edison. Remember this when they're on the end of
Speaker 2: their date at the beginning of the episode. And FYI,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you don't fucking know this, then you're
Speaker 2: not a real gladiator. But Judy Smith is the woman
Speaker 2: who inspired Scandal and inspired Olivia Pope. But during the
Speaker 2: Monica Lewinsky Bill Clinton scandal, Judy Smith actually represented Monica
Speaker 2: check out and Monica is good friends with Shanda she
Speaker 2: is in real life.
Speaker 1: That's some crazy. That's crazy talk right there. Do you
Speaker 1: have Monica Lewinsky's phone number? Tell me the truth, Katie?
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy? Monica's ridiculously smart. Oh, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to feel so intimidated.
Speaker 1: Didn't she write it? But she wrote a book, right?
Speaker 1: Doesn't she have her own pocketbook that she designed her
Speaker 1: own person Yes, she has a whole amazing line.
Speaker 2: And I want to tell the greatest Monica Lewinsky behind
Speaker 2: the scenes story that I've ever known. But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: wait because I Judy Smith was the one to tell
Speaker 2: it at like a scandal thing, and I have to
Speaker 2: wait for her to really come. Oh, I don't want
Speaker 2: to blow it. You guys are just gonna need to
Speaker 2: tune in. You're gonna need to keep listening to unpack
Speaker 2: it into a box. If you want to know some
Speaker 2: Monica Lewinsky shit, Let's look at the tweetwo three tweet
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Speaker 2: time tweet oigie boards and farts.
Speaker 1: Whitney Robinson at Whitney Race sixty six said, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: pissed the season finale of Jersey Shore will beyond at
Speaker 1: the same time as Scandal hashtag what to do? Really, Whitney, Really.
Speaker 2: I feel I've watched every episode of Jersey Shore, and
Speaker 2: I would choose Jersey Shore.
Speaker 1: You what about both?
Speaker 2: It's the best show in the world. Scandal me uses
Speaker 2: too much of your brain. Jersey Shore is just like
Speaker 2: reading garbage. It's the best. It's nothing but sheer fucking entertainment.
Speaker 2: It's the fucking best and the worst of humankind. I
Speaker 2: love it so much. Yes at Lori s cloud nine
Speaker 2: tweeted on November fifth, twenty twelve, no team fits, and
Speaker 2: she was in response to do you think Edison is
Speaker 2: good for Olivia. Yet lots of people on the tweeter
Speaker 2: did not want Edison and Olivia together.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of tweets about Edison here, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to make heads and tails of them. But Veronica,
Speaker 1: I love Casey Chiefs said Scandal ABC, right, I'm not
Speaker 1: here for Edison. Look at me. Season one is what
Speaker 1: hooked me as a viewer hashtag scandal. I think she's
Speaker 1: trying to say, don't bring no new people up in
Speaker 1: this piece.
Speaker 2: We only want Tony.
Speaker 1: Yes it same Sador pudding pop.
Speaker 2: Same that. I love Casey Chiefs. Actually in response to
Speaker 2: Outlaw Josie, who at Outlaw Josie is an og gladiator
Speaker 2: from the way back. We love you Outlaw Josie. But yeah,
Speaker 2: she wrote did you read where Betsy Beer said Edison
Speaker 2: is sticking around? My question is dot dot dot why why.
Speaker 1: She don't want to have it? She don't want none?
Speaker 1: Let's see boop here at Olivia. Twist Uh is replying
Speaker 1: to Scandal ABC saying, ooh ohh the Dish people fixing
Speaker 1: elections for Republicans for Republicants. How timely. I guess some
Speaker 1: shady shit was going down in the world back then,
Speaker 1: nothing compared to the shady ship that's going down in
Speaker 1: our political world since then, right now, since then, Jesus.
Speaker 2: The next episode, we have a guliermo Willie Diaz with
Speaker 2: Charlie the spirit who follows you around. It is called Defiance.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what the hell happened in that one?
Speaker 1: I do not, you and I have thought it.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's a flashback. Though I think it's
Speaker 2: a flashback.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll find out.
Speaker 2: This is what we could tell you. It's gonna be hilarious,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be awesome. We're gonna give you behind the
Speaker 2: scenes scoop. We may have a guest, we may not
Speaker 2: have a guest. Gladiators, We hope you had as good
Speaker 2: of a time as we did.
Speaker 1: You guys, please keep coming back and listening to unpacking
Speaker 1: the toolbox because there's a lot of stuff in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a lot more tools to bring out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked at myself that I haven't said that yet.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 2: We're in the middle of season two and there's such
Speaker 2: great ship coming up. And we love you, We love
Speaker 2: you and yours, We love you all you Gladiators have
Speaker 2: a wonderful week and weekend.
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