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Speaker 1: is the Dropping Gems podcast. I'm your host, deVie Brown.

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Speaker 1: Today we are exploring the fine masculine. We are going

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Speaker 1: with today is the experience of healing that's available for men,

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Speaker 1: especially in this moment in history. You know, we've touched

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Speaker 1: into our affirmation for this episode. So I'm using the

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Speaker 1: up to me with tears in their eyes. Oh bro,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I didn't even know about you know, like

429
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: cool cool, that's that's always been in you, and the

430
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: the the piece there that that I wanted to say that, Yeah,

431
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: m hm, where is this? Why is this missing in

432
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: our culture mm hmm h And it's not like and

433
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: tru and to be honest, it's not like you have

434
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: to be filled with trauma to come into one of

435
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: these spaces. Yes, we have men with the deep deep,

436
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: the deep deep for real, and most men have been

437
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: hurt by other men, so that makes it even more intimidating.

438
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: And if you're a brother who is just out here

439
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: treading water, not in contact, not in connection with your purpose,

440
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: forget purpose, you're not in contact with your heart. Like,

441
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: let's start there. And so I also want to just

442
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: like give the understanding for anyone who's listening, maybe curious, Um,

443
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: do you have to be suffering from some immense amount

444
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: of trauma. No, but if there's a sense of quiet

445
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: suffering happening for you, there is a space for you

446
00:28:53,720 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: to belong, then it's called sacred sounds. I would love

447
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: your thoughts, your reflection on what have you noticed in

448
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: yourself and others the feedback something so powerful And what

449
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: you were expressing is it felt like such a deep

450
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: cellular reprogram hearing you speak about this, this just gorgeous work.

451
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: You know, this idea of taking the masculine out to

452
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: battle with themselves, taking the masculine out to these sacred

453
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: lands with one another and then returning home like I'm

454
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: really hearing the hero's journey. I'm hearing um, Yes, the

455
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: heroic nature of that internal you know, dragon slain and

456
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: the coming home. You know what I'm really experiencing when

457
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: you say that, it's it's coming home, but it's also

458
00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: kind of coming into this right rightful rule is the

459
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: word that feels yes and right relation right like the

460
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: this this authentic, more nourishing, more powerful relation to self

461
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: and relation to the family system that you make in

462
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: that you're returning home to. And what is that felt

463
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: experience for the masculine in that return home? And how

464
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: are you noticing shifts in the household. That's a great

465
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: question I wanna I want to first start by saying,

466
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: many men are conditioned to outsource um, their pleasure, their greatness,

467
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: their pursuits, through through icon worshiping, through sports, through pornography. Right, So,

468
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: just have an understanding that we're outsourcing our sense of

469
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: being the hero. And it's a trope at this point

470
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: to say, be the hero of your own journey. What

471
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: does that even look like? Where can I even go

472
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 1: do that? Okay, So if you want to be the

473
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: hero in your journey and your story, It's not gonna

474
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: be because your team won the big game. It's not

475
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: gonna be because there's a beautiful girl on your screen.

476
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: It's going to be because you show up to it

477
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: in this reality with your heart fully online, so that

478
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: you can feel. You don't have to throw the winning

479
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: touchdown in a Super Bowl yourself to feel like a champion. Okay,

480
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: So a part of the part of that confrontation too

481
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: is there is some there's something so empowering, um, not

482
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: about competition, but about being met. Feel what I'm saying

483
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: from then he met with equal opposite force. For a

484
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: brother to be met an equal and opposite truth, it

485
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: does something to us where we we begin to pull

486
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: in those aspects of ourselves that want to outsource it,

487
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 1: that want the pleasure from the outside in. And what

488
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: happens It becomes an inside out game and says the

489
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: only game that there is in this life. Everything happens

490
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: within right. And so what happens when these men go

491
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: home is they have the awareness, but not only the

492
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: the awareness. We sent our men home with commitments. And

493
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: these are not commitments that I right, These are commitments

494
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: that they speak, and they speak them before their brothers,

495
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: they speak them before the entire circle. And so when

496
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: they go home and they know what they have to do, everybody,

497
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: everybody listening, you know what you have to do. It's

498
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: up to you to choose to decide to do it.

499
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: And so what happens after four days of this being

500
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: met that I'm referencing, What happens is that those men

501
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: go home and they meet their commitments. And so I

502
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: don't want to make any illusions about what that is,

503
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: but I've had men. I've had men come up to

504
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: me and say, Adam, you saved my marriage, and I say,

505
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: you saved your marriage. And we also have men who

506
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: go home and they say this relationship was not serving

507
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: me or her. And I went home and I handled

508
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: it and we had a conscious uncoupling because that's what

509
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: needed to happen. M M in my favorite, my favorite.

510
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: So the man tells me, you know, I committed to

511
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: going home and playing outside with my kids for one

512
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: hour a day. You know, like these are simple things.

513
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: These are simple things, Debby, but they light me up

514
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: and they can light up our whole world. And so

515
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: if you dedicate yourself to playing outside with your children

516
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: one hour a day instead of being on your phone

517
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: for an hour a day. Do you know what that

518
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: does for your children? Do you know what that does

519
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: for you? And so you know I'm trying to This

520
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: is powerful work, This is life changing work. But it's

521
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: it comes through in simple ways, and it's it's about

522
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: those choices we make every single day. The little choices

523
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: lead up to the big choices. You know, life is

524
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of you know, small decisions that lead

525
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: to big decisions. And so the better men can come

526
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: into awareness of themselves, who they are, what their mission is,

527
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: who's coming with them, where they're going. The more they

528
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: can come into contact with that, the more they can

529
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: take at home and be the hero of their own journey.

530
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm mmm. The some of our lives is found

531
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: in the tiny details. Always. Mastery is found in the

532
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: simple daily details of ourselves and that peace right Like,

533
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: and I love that you're you know, just um, I

534
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: love the way you're framing the simplicity of it, but

535
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: I also want to make sure that I fully reflect back.

536
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: Like what you're calling simplicity is how the world changes.

537
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: It's how we reprogram our souls. It's how it's how

538
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: we find God, it's how we live with God. You

539
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: know that that our day is really beautiful, that you

540
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: with your child, it's beautiful that you said that's how

541
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: we find God. Because at that gathering, I was referencing

542
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: in Joshua tree in that was that was one of

543
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: That was actually my check out of that space. I

544
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: was like, I feel the presence of God in this circle,

545
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: not because there's someone here preaching, not because there's someone

546
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: here that's saying they're better than the rest of us,

547
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: but because of our connection to each other. Because we're

548
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: able to see each other. Now I can start to

549
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: to see God. I can see myself in you. And

550
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: if I acknowledge that there's a there's an aspect of

551
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: me that is source and you. You don't have to

552
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: use the word God if that doesn't resonate, but there's

553
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: an aspect of yourself that is source. You are source energy.

554
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: And then when we can recognize that in others, we

555
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: begin to make better choices. And men on this planet

556
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: have been making choices that are detrimental to the earth

557
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: it self, to the feminine, to each other, to the masculine,

558
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: and it's time to start making better choices. And the

559
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: only way we can do that is through a collective

560
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: witnessing and understanding that there is a better way to

561
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: live on this planet. And I call that brotherhood. You know,

562
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: I've experienced it in my own life, the power of

563
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: brotherhood and sisterhood as well, and coming together in sacred

564
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: union as community that comes that comes after you know,

565
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: that's a that is a byproduct of of what happens

566
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: when we come together. And so yeah, I'm curious for

567
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: you if you have sisterhood in your life, if you

568
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: resonate with with what that means to sit in ceremony

569
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: or to sit with your girls, you know what I mean.

570
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: I live my life in ceremony. I live a very

571
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: very devotional life, and ceremony daily ritual is what. Um.

572
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: It changed everything about every lifetime I've ever had and

573
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: every possibility for the future of my lineage. UM. And

574
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: that was the piece. And thank you for asking me

575
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: that question, because I think I'm someone that has been

576
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: on the path for a really long time, you know,

577
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: just as a highly sensitive, deeply intuitive child than moving

578
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: into you know, the world. And I've always been on

579
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: a quest I've always been a seeker, always, always, always,

580
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: I was the child with a self help book. You know,

581
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to understand humanity really deeply and understand myself. Um.

582
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: And from a cognitive standpoint that was happening. Um. And

583
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: then it wasn't until I really would say, like two

584
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen for myself as well, that I understood I

585
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: had to get out of my brain. I had to

586
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: get out of understanding people, um, cognitively or kind of

587
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: doing these psychoanalysis on every interaction and every human that

588
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: I knew, And I had to I had to bring

589
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: that down into my heart and that depth of awakening.

590
00:37:52,640 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: Um Uh. Nothing about the world is ever the same again.

591
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: And you also the way you relate to yourself, um,

592
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: the way you relate to the observations you may have

593
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: been making about society and about humanity, You're just never

594
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: the same. And I think a space I shared this

595
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: recently and I've actually found myself in conversation about it

596
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: quite a bit. But one of my one of my teachers, UM,

597
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Dr Ron Holnick, I remember I had this this moment

598
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: where in all my understanding of trauma of people who

599
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: have been abusive in the world, people who have been

600
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 1: abused in the world. I just came to the deep

601
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: love of really both sides. And I remember he said

602
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: to me, you know, now you have entered the chapter

603
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: of life of unbearable compassion, and all the moments are

604
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: really just unbearable compassion happening, and you come into an

605
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: acceptance of it and you relate to it, buying with it.

606
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know you saying that that really you

607
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: connecting to that moment where the version of you, this

608
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: being Adam, probably stepped aside and it became more of

609
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: a channel for God's work and the way that you

610
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: were meant to share with others and meant to help

611
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: them unlock themselves. I just see that really deep. I

612
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: just really honor that, um, the work that you're doing. Yeah,

613
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: thank you. It's just the most important work, the most

614
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: important work one could do with their lives for all

615
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: of humanity. And it's incredible and I'm so grateful you.

616
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. That that brings up several things for me. Um. First,

617
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: this is thank you for for that acknowledgement. The second

618
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: is it's not me, you know, I did, I did,

619
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: I did have to step out of way. First of all,

620
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a core of us at

621
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: the center. You know, I don't hold this alone, which

622
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: is why I'm able to easily step into it and

623
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: too help steward this work. This is not something that

624
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: we invented. Yes we named it, Yes we gave it

625
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: structure as the masculine does. But this is truly a

626
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: co created movement. Feel me and in the most Highest

627
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: president it at all times. And not only that, but

628
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: Spirit has been with us as sacred sons. Once we

629
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: agreed and once we put that uh, you know, call

630
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: out to you could say the universe, you could say,

631
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: great Spirit. Whatever you want to say, I will say.

632
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: Once you put the call into spirit. Spirit has been

633
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: meeting us at every step of the way. But the

634
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: only way that can happen is if we stay in integrity.

635
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: And so this is this is a key to all

636
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: of this. You know, I think from my in my

637
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: personal journey, UM, I have been fulfilled throughout my life

638
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: in different endeavors. UM. And one thing that I understand

639
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: to be true is that when you make that kind

640
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: of a commitment to Spirit, the deal is if I

641
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: stay in integrity and I do what I say, then

642
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: the universe is gonna have my back. Universe has got me,

643
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: spirits got me, God's got me, and you can you

644
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: can reference all of the greats. They all say the same.

645
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: And so the integrity that we have um as human

646
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: beings is so vital to our fulfillment, not to our accomplishment,

647
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: not to how much money we make, but to our fulfillment,

648
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: Like how how close do we come to touching our

649
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: own soul? That's what fulfillment is. It's like, Wow, I

650
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: did something that resonates so deeply with who I am

651
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: on the soul level. And that type of fulfillment you

652
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: cannot outsource. I can just keep going and going. If

653
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: you just want me to talk, I want to have

654
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: five hours. Um okay, so there's three places I would

655
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: really like to go, and I also want to honor

656
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: your time. But I hope we can move through these things. Um.

657
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: The piece that you just spoke to my God, UM,

658
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: I would just like to further amplify that message. There

659
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: is nothing there. There should be in my view, and

660
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: for those that can receive this, there should be nothing

661
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: more important in your life than your spiritual integrity. Nothing.

662
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: It is the basis for all the things, and it

663
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: is the piece that will always keep you divinely aligned,

664
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: which when you're divinely aligned, that extends itself to unseen

665
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: and seen, protection, that extends itself to grace and ease

666
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: and every old things, that extends itself to you know,

667
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people enter, I think, into the path

668
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: of healing themselves because they want to connect to a purpose,

669
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, this idea of purpose that we begin to

670
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: really instruct societally. That's a great entry point to spiritual

671
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: integrity allows that UM and you know, when it comes

672
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: to those moment by moment decisions and when we speak

673
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: to what is integrity? You know, I think a lot

674
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: of I would like to root in that for a

675
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: second atom because I think something that has kept many

676
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: of us from ourselves for so long is a misunderstanding

677
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: of language or a misapplication of language, or you know,

678
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: seeing seeing definitions for certain words um, based on the

679
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: way that our families of origin or society have reflected

680
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: them for us. But you know, spiritual integrity being an

681
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: integrity with oneself that is in each moment, not just

682
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: making choices for highest good, which does not mean choices

683
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: necessarily of pleasure or choices of you know, benefit, making

684
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: choices of highest good for yourself and all concerned. So

685
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: it means even in the smallest moment, it's not making

686
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: the quote unquote right choice all the time, right where

687
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: humans were flawed. But it's making, you know, the integral choice.

688
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: It's making a choice out of in openness and heart.

689
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: There is not fear present, there is not malice present,

690
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: there is not um personal societal benefit present. And it's

691
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 1: the kind of choice you make that even if only

692
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: one person knows of this choice. You know, even if

693
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: no one knows of this choice, you hold that honor

694
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: in yourself at each moment. Yeah. Absolutely, How I related

695
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: to what you said, What do you do when no

696
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: one is watching? This is integrity, you know, like and

697
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: I want to I want to say this as well.

698
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: The beautiful thing about this time that we're in is

699
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: we don't even have to do anything. The shadows are

700
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: coming into the light. Devy is happening with whether you're

701
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: in the river or not. Your shadows are coming into

702
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: the light in my own, my own personal shadows too.

703
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to make any illusions that

704
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: I'm a perfect person. There are no perfect people. Um

705
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: and the invitation is not to strive for perfection or

706
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: for the image of perfection, but to strive for actively

707
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: showing up and participating in your life. And so what

708
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: that looks like for me, My family is my spiritual practice.

709
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: There's no yoga studio or for church on this planet

710
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: that can inform me of how I'm showing up better

711
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: than my family, who's with me day and day out, right,

712
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: So that's that's where my spiritual practice, that's where my deepest,

713
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: most challenging, most confronting pieces are. So if I have to,

714
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: I have to be real about So whatever it is

715
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: for for you, for for for you, and I'm speaking

716
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: to you as who's listening to this right now, find

717
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: your spiritual practice. You know that could look like devoting

718
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: yourself to a um plethora of different things. And then

719
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: the next step from here it's to do what you

720
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: say you are going to do. And so what you

721
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: say you're going to do, like get clear, write those

722
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: things down right, what's important? Love list, you make your

723
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: pros and cons, list right down what's important to you.

724
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: And every time I do it, when I check back

725
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: in families at the top, you know what I mean,

726
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: Like it's we don't we're not changing, uh so frequently

727
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: that like we don't know what's important anymore. However, the

728
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: invitation is to get clear on what's important to you.

729
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: And then if you say that thing like follows up

730
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: on it, it's we can we can keep it real simple,

731
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: you know. I keep I keep referencing that because I

732
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: feel like it's important. I think there's also a lot

733
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: of projection. And you know, from the outside in there's

734
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: always going to be judgment and that's okay, Um, but

735
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: I wanna I want to invite us into you know,

736
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: a reframing on what's important because it's not about what

737
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: people see out there. Um. And you know what I

738
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: love about what you said that I resonated with deeply

739
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: is that since you were a young girl, you just

740
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: had this sense you were a seeker. I have it too.

741
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: I have a theory. I'm I'm bi racial and mixed.

742
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: My father's black, my mother's white. More mixed people I

743
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: come into contact with we have something. There's something about us.

744
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: There's something and it's not just I'm talking about there is. Um,

745
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: there's a shift happening on a DNA level where yeah,

746
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: when you come equipped with multiple perspective, with multiple perspectives.

747
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: There is something that unlocks within us. I just say

748
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: it like that Bob Marley had it. You know, Bob's

749
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: father was white, his mother was black. If you didn't

750
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: know that, you know, there's there's certain Obama has it.

751
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: You know how he captivated the world because of his spirit,

752
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: because of who he is. You have that, I have that.

753
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: There's others that have it, and no one's better than anyone.

754
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: Not saying that, but that that's a part of the

755
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: akening that's happening. And so what do we do with it?

756
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: There's so much self help in the world, but where

757
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: is all the helping others? Why is there a book

758
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: a section of a bookstore called self help, but there's

759
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: no helping others? What about receiving help? Where's the section

760
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: to receive help? You know what I'm saying, Like, this

761
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: life and human being is not about like being on

762
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: a boat struggling to survive. You don't want to be

763
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: lost at seeing this life. Receive help, receive support. And

764
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: so that's largely what this work is like cultivating and

765
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: it's churning, and we're here for the long game. I'm

766
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: so lit up on this and not Bear and Jay

767
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: and some of the We can speak to some of

768
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: the specifics of events and things, but we are really

769
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: giving our lives energy to this work, to cultivating um

770
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: community and by region, by regions. It's not about like, hey,

771
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: come to California, come to Maui and have a great weekend.

772
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: We're bringing this work to Atlanta, to Baltimore, to the

773
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest, to Oregon, you know, and and really cultivating

774
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: men to create connection within their communities. What does it

775
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: look like in Atlanta when you have forty fifty two

776
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: hundred it keeps building men who have witnessed each other

777
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: and seeing each other and respect each other. What does

778
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: that do to a to the larger community. So we'll

779
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: find out. We will find out because we're here for it. Um.

780
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: We're talking about integrity, and so my personal integrity what's

781
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: being asked to me is like, great, I've I've figured

782
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: a couple of things out for myself. I felt a

783
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: couple of things out. What am I gonna do with it?

784
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: Am I gonna hold it? Am I gonna stay in

785
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: my isolation? Because of them? This is this game is

786
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: also about inviting others to the place where you are.

787
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people saying meet meet them where

788
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: they're at, meet them where they're at. That keeps people

789
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: where they're at, invite them to where you are. That's yeah,

790
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: you were saying um, and this is why I was

791
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: saying the piece around helping others. All my relations home

792
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,959
Speaker 1: attaquas this is these are ancient words that many people

793
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: in the spiritual communities say, But what that's saying is

794
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: all my relations. So when you were talking about making decisions,

795
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: when you say a home or a home at takuyasan,

796
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: that is bringing it back to all my relations. So

797
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: when you do that, make decisions. I could give you

798
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: my personal process. What's best for me, what's best for

799
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: my family, what's best for my community, what's best for

800
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: my world? Boom in that order, this is a clear

801
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: way to help make decisions. You know what I mean.

802
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: And if you if you come into um not a

803
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: habit but a ritual, you know nothing nothing here should

804
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: be habitual. It should be ritual, It should be filled

805
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: with intention. If you make decisions with intention from that

806
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: perspective of all my relations, we begin to make better

807
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: decisions at an individual level, at a societal level, at

808
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: a corporate level, at an industrial level all my relations

809
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: mm hmm. When you were when you were speaking UM,

810
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: when you were speaking to the piece about being young

811
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: seekers to UM to add on that, you know, a

812
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: theme that I was noticing is that even if there

813
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: was not a multicultural background, if someone had like paradox present,

814
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: if there was very specific contrast UM, because that's what

815
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: I that's something I really resonate to in my path,

816
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: Like I had this, I had very extremely different circumstances

817
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: every time I looked up throughout my whole childhood. And

818
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: it's like that gets your brain working in such a

819
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: way to really understand how many different things are happening

820
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: at one how many I guess in in in some

821
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: translations like how many levels are possible, how many UM

822
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: experiences are possible at really showing the spectrum of human

823
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: emotion and human experience. And for me, I really related

824
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: to that we are all these different recipes happening, right,

825
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: Like we all have a lot of the same stuff

826
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: in us, but to different degrees, and that's what makes

827
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: our individuality. But that's also what makes sometimes UM our

828
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: greatest spiritual curriculum that we find that's present. So for

829
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: those listening, you know, start to I would really like

830
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: to invite you to start looking at where we're Where

831
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: were some extremes president life, And it could be something

832
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: like you noticed you lived in one neighborhood, but to

833
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: get to school you always passed, you know, a different

834
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: kind of neighborhood, whether that was a more abundant neighborhood

835
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: or a less served neighborhood, and what that brought up

836
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: inside of you as a kid growing up in l A.

837
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, having this experience of such excess

838
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: in such areas in some areas, such privilege in some areas,

839
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: but then sometimes living in areas where there was so

840
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: much murder, crime drugs present, but having both as a

841
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: part of my day, um, and so that it that

842
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: can really get some of ourselves inquiry going for those

843
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: listening and it's perspective. Yeah, I'll give a example for

844
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: my life. Thanksgiving, I would go to two grandma's. I

845
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: went to my granny's in the morning. You know, it

846
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: was Green's. It was it was like bank macaroni and cheese.

847
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: It was Chentlands, it was chicken hearts, it was all

848
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: the things. I grew up in Dane, Ohio, So in Ohio, Okay,

849
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: rest her soul, love you, you know. And the conversation

850
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: at the table was one way. And in the afternoon evening,

851
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: I go to my my grandma's house, my mom's mom,

852
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: and the food was macaroni and cheese and not macaron

853
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: macaron cheese too, but like this macaroni salad and this

854
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: jello thing, and it was just a little bit was

855
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: a friend. I just want to be real and it

856
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: gave me a perspective. The conversation was different, and what

857
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm it was what I'm saying about that that being

858
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: mixed being by racials having perspective, like in broad giving

859
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 1: ourselves a broader perspective is very informing. It's like, oh,

860
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: people live different ways. A lot of people don't get

861
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: to experience that. And so Sacred Sons we have a

862
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: youth program, Son's Youth, and the way that we have

863
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: set this program up is it's a one to one model,

864
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: so for every family that can afford to put their

865
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: kid in a program, it's an eight week online program.

866
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: We talk about emotional intelligence, emotional resilience. It's really giving

867
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: young men a place to ask questions and a place

868
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: to to find guidance and mentorship. But for every family

869
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: that can send their child, we scholarship another young man.

870
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: And so what happens is you got one man from

871
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, one young man from Beverly Hills, and another

872
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: from let's say side of Chicago. But they're in the

873
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: same zoom call every single week for eight weeks. You

874
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: know what that does to your perspective and what you

875
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: know that the most interesting thing is on day one,

876
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: these the boys all meet and we we do like

877
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: little exercises and games, get to know you kind of stuff.

878
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: And the first the first initial sentiment is young men

879
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: feeling like I don't have anything in common with these

880
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: other guys. Right. But through then through the contact, through

881
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: the connection, through the conversation, what happens is they go, oh,

882
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: they're worried about the same things that I am. They

883
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: have similar questions that I have at a young age.

884
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: We you know, we we have a cohort that's eleven

885
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: to fourteen. We have another cohort that's fifteen to nineteen

886
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: for the young men. These are all led by three

887
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: mentors per cohort. And what's happening is we're broadening the

888
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: perspectives of these young men. Again, this is not rocket science.

889
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: This is not indoctrination. This is connection. And when we

890
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: begin to broaden our perspectives through real experience, not through

891
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: not through the internet, not through watching someone else do

892
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: something else, but through our real experience, only then can

893
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: we begin to utilize the breadth of that perspective to

894
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: make changes in our own lives, to make better choices. Again,

895
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: even for the young men, it's still about making better choices.

896
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: And and because of this program, I've I've I personally

897
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: mentor a few young men, and I'm talking about these

898
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: these kids nowadays, they're coming with real problems, real opportunities,

899
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: real situations. What am I seeing? Yeah, I'm seeing a

900
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: lot of this, you know, technology, I'm seeing a lot

901
00:56:52,400 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: of uh again the outsourcing, right, yes, And so I'm

902
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: also seeing um fear, I'm seeing violence, I'm seeing drug use. Um,

903
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm seeing I don't know what else there is specifically,

904
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: you know nowadays, after after COVID, it's like, um, a

905
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: lot of young men were were further pushed into isolation

906
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: and more on their screens. And I got nothing against

907
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: video games truly, Like if if you love video games,

908
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: that's great, um, And there's a way to play video

909
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: games with intention as well. Um, there's also there's also um,

910
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to I have a I

911
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: have to have to keep things confidential, so I don't

912
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: really like to share specific examples. But I'm talking about

913
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: young men as young as twelve thirteen with access to drugs, weapons, um,

914
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 1: the internet. And so what happens when when you you're

915
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: you're exposed to all this with little to no guidance.

916
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: What happens? Yeah, that that is that can on a

917
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: young male's brain have the same effect as a sexual

918
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: abuse or trauma, having too early access to pornography, but

919
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: you don't understand what's happening. Yeah, yeah, And it's a

920
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: lot of you know, it's it's important to note that

921
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: it's never like too late, um to calling guidance or mentorship.

922
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: And so we have men in our spaces as old

923
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: as sixty and seventy. They don't talk to their children.

924
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: You know, they've they've they've maybe self destructed or or

925
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: hurt relationships in their lives because they've never been able

926
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: to feel so like the saying that I like, um man,

927
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm oh got it. There's a quote from Frederick

928
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: Douglas which is it's easier to raise strong boys than

929
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: to repair broken men. So, Frederick Douglas, I hear you.

930
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm with you, And so a lot of the mission

931
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: for us as sacred sons. Yes, we do mask on

932
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: alchemy and men's work, but we're shifting to help raise

933
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: strong boys so that we don't have to repair broken men.

934
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that this program makes your child

935
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: perfect again, let's be real. But will it influence and

936
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: encourage them to make better choices? A hundred thousand per cent.

937
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: And I can say that with clarity and sincerity because

938
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm witnessing it. I'm witnessing it UM in so many ways.

939
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: And I've seen young men stop using gergs. I've seen

940
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: young men UM be honest about things that they have

941
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: in their possession which are illegal. I don't even want

942
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: to be that specific, but and and and be honest

943
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: about it and get rid of it or take it

944
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: to the the appropriate authorities or bring it to their parents,

945
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: just from a little bit of guidance and in tourship.

946
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: And so you know, I'm I'm getting emotional about that

947
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: because it's like, oh, that's what I needed, That's what

948
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: we need, you know, there's a time in each of

949
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: our lives where it's like we need guidance, So where

950
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: do we get it? And I'm also you know, if

951
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: there's anything to be proud about, it's it's about the

952
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: fact that we are scholarshipping in so many men. We

953
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: are not doing this for um to make money. And

954
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: in fact, this is not something This is not like

955
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: an endeavor to set out to make money, although spirits

956
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: with us right until the opportunities are abundant, and so

957
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: being able to scholarship in men um and provide them

958
01:00:46,520 --> 01:01:29,959
Speaker 1: mentorship in connection like it's it's really special dropping ship.

959
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: So I do not have enough time left with you

960
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: to go into this next space that I want to go,

961
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: but I Part two soon comes because another love. This

962
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: is okay, This is okay because you know, hopefully for

963
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: those listening, if if this is your first time hearing

964
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: of Sacred songs or even of of an organization that

965
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: serves men and young men in this way, um, this

966
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: is a this is an emergent culture um that's happening.

967
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: And so get connected with us Instagram at Sacred Sons, Facebook, TikTok,

968
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: all those things. We have an amazing crew of photographers

969
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: and videographers making some incredible media that people can connect with.

970
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: The podcast, Sacred Sons Podcast, I do an episode of

971
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: every week or so you can just join the conversation

972
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: that way, and we're we're continually UM developing more and

973
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: more ways for for people to engage with us. Because

974
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: there's so many layers before you actually cross that threshold

975
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: into the desert. I get it, there's a lot that

976
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: may need to UM settle before that happens, and so

977
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: there are ways to to access us, access this work, UM,

978
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, from the safety and comfort of your home.

979
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: M And I guess I want to say this too.

980
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: Shout out to all the women, all the why and

981
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: mothers who have sent their sons, sent their husbands. I

982
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: would say fifty of the men who join us are

983
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: sent by the women in their lives who love them.

984
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: So thank you, UM to those women. How beautiful. I

985
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: I would love UM. I'm gonna say this here, but

986
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: we'll offline about it, but I would love I would

987
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: love to sponsor some scholarships. I would love to donate. Yeah,

988
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: and so we're sponsored. Sacred Sons Foundation is calling that in.

989
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: We have an entire nonprofit arm UM that we have

990
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 1: our brothers, men who are who join our community. That's

991
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: that's the first thing that many of them say, how

992
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: do I get more men here? I want more men

993
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: to experiences And these guys are the ones that had

994
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: the most resistance coming in and now after four days

995
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: of connection, confrontation and celebration, they're like, how do we

996
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: get more and more men to experience this? And my

997
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: hope is and so yes, Sacred Sons Foundation dot org

998
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: say gred Sons dot com for for everything um, and

999
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: please your your donations, your attention, your support, and all

1000
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: your comments. It's all welcome. It's all welcome. And you know,

1001
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: my hope is that more and more of us start

1002
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: to carry the flag the beautiful burden of what it

1003
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: means to be in service. Mm hmmm, not to be

1004
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: in um, not to be in selflessness or selfishness, but

1005
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: to be of service. There's many ways to be of service.

1006
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: So how do we utilize our gifts, our tools or

1007
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: skills or wisdom to be of service to others? This

1008
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: is a time on this planet that's really asking for

1009
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: that and we're in it. And um, you know, Sacred

1010
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: Suns is a part of a movement of of awakening.

1011
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: And if that word doesn't resonate, or raising consciousness doesn't resonate,

1012
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: come back to connection. This is a movement of connection

1013
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: and the more as human beings that we can be connected,

1014
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: we can look each other in the eyes, we can

1015
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: be in residence. I believe that it is UM. You know,

1016
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: it's better for our planet, it's better for our young

1017
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: ones who are coming in. Like I said in the beginning,

1018
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm raising three strong boys right now, you know, raising

1019
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: their consciousness. It's my it's my utmost responsibility as her father.

1020
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: And there's another there's a there's more responsibility for us.

1021
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And this is a quote

1022
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: from Stephen Jenkinson, who I just spoke to recently, who

1023
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: is an elder UM. But as men, it's like we

1024
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: we should be we should consider ourselves the father of

1025
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: everyone's children. And so what that means is we are

1026
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,959
Speaker 1: all born in this into this life through a mother,

1027
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: through the Great Mother. So let's treat each other like that, like,

1028
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: let's let's embody that there's there's enough, there's enough uh nonsense, hatred,

1029
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: uh lies being spread out there. It's time for the new,

1030
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: It's time for the new paradigm. We're here for it,

1031
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: here for it, here for it. Mm hmm. I have

1032
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: my son is turning for UM next month, and when

1033
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: he hits eleven, you will be at that thing. You

1034
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: will be out with you all. I cannot wait. UM, Adam,

1035
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you

1036
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: for coming on the show. Thank you so deeply to

1037
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: you and all of the incredible men that do this

1038
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: work with you. I'm so grateful for all of you.

1039
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for your life. Thank you for being

1040
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: a serve us. Thank you for answering your call. Thank

1041
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: you for creating this space. Thank you for allowing God

1042
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: in this this work that you were doing. It is profound,

1043
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: is gorgeous. It is just so honorable, and I'm so thankful.

1044
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me. You're welcome. Thank you. You

1045
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: deserve it, We deserve it, and we're worthy of it

1046
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: as human beings. Thank you. Devye. I hope we dropped

1047
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: some gems for your listeners today. Yeah. Once again, so

1048
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: so grateful, Thank you, Adam Jackson. Everyone listening to the show,

1049
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: whether you identify as MAIL or you are connected to

1050
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: a mail that you love. UM, I would love to

1051
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: once again point you in the direction of Adam's Instagram

1052
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: page Sacred Sons Instagram page. You can go to Adam

1053
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: Underscore Jackson on i G and also at Sacred Sons

1054
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: on i G the website Sacred Sons dot com. So

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Speaker 1: now diving into our soul work for this episode, I

1056
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: want to revisit the card that popped from my Caramel

1057
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: Bliss affirmation deck at the beginning of this episode, and

1058
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: I want you to notice where it lands now having

1059
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: connected to Adam's work and the work of Sacred Son.

1060
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: I want to invite you in this moment to once

1061
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,839
Speaker 1: again connect to your breath. Allow your body to become

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Speaker 1: still soft but still supportive, and if it's safe and comfortable,

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Speaker 1: gently close your eyes. Connect to my words here as

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Speaker 1: you focus on your breath, and we're just noticing where

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Speaker 1: this affirmation wants to land and what it might want

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Speaker 1: to bring forward. I am open to receiving all that

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Speaker 1: is necessary for my spiritual evolution. I am open to

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Speaker 1: receiving all that is necessary for my spiritual evolution. I

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Speaker 1: am open to receiving all that is necessary for my

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Speaker 1: spiritual evolution. And if they were closed, just allow yourself

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Speaker 1: to gently open your eyes here, come back into your

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Speaker 1: heart space now. I want to invite you kind of

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Speaker 1: moved through this week. However, whenever you're listening to this

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Speaker 1: episode instead of journaling this week, um and really diving

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Speaker 1: into this affirmation, especially from some of the bigger contexts

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Speaker 1: that was shared in this episode, to be open to

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Speaker 1: receiving all that is necessary for one spiritual evolution is

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Speaker 1: to be in a space of acceptance of what is.

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Speaker 1: And to accept what is does not mean that you

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Speaker 1: have to prefer it or like it, but you're just

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Speaker 1: present with what is present in your life and is

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Speaker 1: there opportunity to open more to whatever is at play

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Speaker 1: in your life right now, whatever patterns are presenting, whatever

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Speaker 1: story is unfolding, whatever pains are processing, whatever purpose is evolving,

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Speaker 1: saying to yourself, journaling for yourself in openness where your

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Speaker 1: highest good. Write down a couple of ways today. But

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Speaker 1: even if you're not loving it and some of you,

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Speaker 1: maybe what are some ways that you are being open

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Speaker 1: to your spiritual evolution in this moment? Just drop them down.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to be these, you know, massive ways.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they are. Sometimes we are struck with major catalysts

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Speaker 1: for growth, and sometimes it's through um small disappointments and

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Speaker 1: irritations or new opportunities and subsort um. Maybe there's an

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Speaker 1: offer curiosity that's present to you. Just write down what

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Speaker 1: are you beginning to notice is unfolding on your behalf

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Speaker 1: for your spiritual evolution and is there is an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to be even more open, stretched and expanded to receive it.

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Speaker 1: There's some thoughts for your consideration. I hope you'll have

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Speaker 1: some some fun with that sometimes. Set aside for that,

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Speaker 1: all right, big love at you guys. Next week hit

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Speaker 1: me on the Graham at Debbie Brown. Go ahead and

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Speaker 1: leave that five star review and a comment it Um,

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