WEBVTT - Breakthrough, Part Nine: The Next Pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>It's January nine and prime ministers, CEOs and celebrities are

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<v Speaker 1>gathering in the Swiss Alps for an annual summit. A

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<v Speaker 1>globalization backlash, growth in China and trade tensions are dominating

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<v Speaker 1>the agenda. Actor Matt Damon is also here talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the need to improve access to clean water. On the

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<v Speaker 1>sidelines of the World Economic Forum, an American doctor and

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<v Speaker 1>a British scientist are sounding the alarm about a different concern,

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<v Speaker 1>the specter of a pandemic. In a press conference, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Hatchett highlights the mission of his organization, launched two years

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<v Speaker 1>earlier to combat infectious disease outbreaks with new vaccines. Sitting

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<v Speaker 1>beside two drug industry executives and the head of a

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<v Speaker 1>health charity, he says the risks are rising in our

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<v Speaker 1>hyper connected world. Epidemics have the potential to hop from

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<v Speaker 1>continent to continent, spreading far beyond the places where they emerge.

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<v Speaker 1>His group, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, is pushing

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<v Speaker 1>to speed development of exts means against a range of threats,

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<v Speaker 1>including a coronavirus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome or mirrors.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's more to richard strategy. We have also announced

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<v Speaker 1>our first investments to tackle disease X, the disease we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about, the emerging disease with the potential to

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<v Speaker 1>cause a pandemic. One investment is in a program at

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<v Speaker 1>Imperial College London led by Robin Shattuck. The research ames

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<v Speaker 1>to create vaccines that can be scaled up rapidly to

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<v Speaker 1>respond to outbreaks of those mysterious pathogens. Richard sees on

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<v Speaker 1>the horizon, the event in Davos is a prime opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to address some of the planet's most prominent decision makers.

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<v Speaker 1>Robin sets the scene standing in front of a screen

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<v Speaker 1>with images of people walking along a bustling city sidewalk. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine you're standing in any major city in the world

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<v Speaker 1>and as an outbreak of what we call disease X,

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<v Speaker 1>an unknown respiratory pathogen, how quickly could we respond. The

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<v Speaker 1>reality is that for most countries there's no regional mechanism

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<v Speaker 1>that could manufacture and distribute vaccines in a meaningful time frame.

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<v Speaker 1>Just think about that for a moment. But many people

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<v Speaker 1>are thinking about a deadly pandemic potentially triggered by avian

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<v Speaker 1>flu as a distant possibility, not an imminent one. Ebola

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<v Speaker 1>killed more than eleven thousand people in West Africa between,

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<v Speaker 1>but that virus and others like Stars, Mirrors and Zeka

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<v Speaker 1>had all faded from the headlines. Robin reflects on the

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<v Speaker 1>prevailing sentiment at the time. The scientific community is set

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<v Speaker 1>up pandemic is coming, It's coming. But having said that,

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<v Speaker 1>for at least ten years, people were getting very used

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<v Speaker 1>to the drumbeat and not actually really appreciating the threat.

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<v Speaker 1>So it isn't exactly a packed house when the Imperial

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<v Speaker 1>scientist warns of a novel and potentially dangerous virus that

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<v Speaker 1>could suddenly strike. There have been the experience with a bowler,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was still relatively geer graphically isolated and wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a global phenomena. And so in Davos when we gave presentation,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there were about thirty people in the audience

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<v Speaker 1>um and none of them of particular levels of influence.

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<v Speaker 1>For years, scientists that issued warnings and urgent calls to

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<v Speaker 1>bolster our health defenses, and at times those red flags

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<v Speaker 1>captured the attention of global leaders. Richard's coalition known as

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<v Speaker 1>SEPPI is a testament to that. But when disease X

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<v Speaker 1>hits just months later. Many countries aren't ready. Despite success

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<v Speaker 1>in creating vaccines in record time, COVID nineteen exposes the

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<v Speaker 1>world's vulnerabilities, killing millions of people and triggering economic turmoil.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years in, the pandemic still is in over a

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<v Speaker 1>fast spreading and heavily mutated variant. Omicron is the latest twist.

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<v Speaker 1>But virus hunters are already planning for a future, a crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>one that could be just as bad, if not worse,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're pointing to lessons from the past. While a

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<v Speaker 1>number of pathogens are on their radar, the effort also

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<v Speaker 1>depends on anticipating threats they haven't seen before. I'm James Peyton,

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<v Speaker 1>a health journalist at Bloomberg News from the Prognosis podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This is breakthrough. Richard Hatchett didn't set out to protect

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<v Speaker 1>the country from pandemics. At Vanderbilt University in the nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>he was an English major and a poet. Later, he

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<v Speaker 1>opted to go to medical school before focusing on treating cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>Then a turning point comes On a bright late summer

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<v Speaker 1>day in two thousand one, News outlets like CNN interrupt

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<v Speaker 1>their coverage this justin you were looking at obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>very disturbing live shot there. That is the World Trade Center,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have unconfirmed reports this morning that a plane

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<v Speaker 1>has crashed into one of the towers. A second hijacked

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<v Speaker 1>plane slams into the South Tower, and soon New York's

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<v Speaker 1>tallest buildings collapse. Thousands of people are feared dead. Richard,

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<v Speaker 1>an emergency room doctor a Memorial Slowe Kettering Cancer Center,

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<v Speaker 1>is determined to help the city respond to the September

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<v Speaker 1>eleventh attack. The next morning on Wednesday, he and other

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<v Speaker 1>volunteers hit your ride on the truck down the West

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<v Speaker 1>Side Highway and head to the smoldering ruins at ground zero.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really shocking there, obviously, was this just pulverized

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<v Speaker 1>dust coating everything. There were cars and things that had

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<v Speaker 1>been abandoned. I mean, I think I remember seeing like

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<v Speaker 1>a baby carriage that was just completely coated in white

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<v Speaker 1>dust that it clearly, you know, the parent had picked

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<v Speaker 1>up the child and had fled on foot. It smelled

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<v Speaker 1>poisonous and toxic in a in a way that I've

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<v Speaker 1>never experienced before. Richard's group moves a few blocks north

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<v Speaker 1>to a field hospital set up at Stuyvesant High School.

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<v Speaker 1>With few survivors, nurses and doctors are providing medical support

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<v Speaker 1>to search and rescue workers. Richard is asked to take over.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundreds of volunteers arrive in the next twelve hours, and

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<v Speaker 1>the young physician is energized by the teamwork he witnesses.

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<v Speaker 1>That was obviously the personally transformative moment, very powerful, overwhelming

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways, experience also remarkable to work with the

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<v Speaker 1>medical volunteers, the nurses, the doctors who had shown up

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<v Speaker 1>very dedicated, self motivated, used to taking accountability. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>also frustrated by the lack of organization. Little prior thought

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<v Speaker 1>had gone into harnessing the skills and talents of civilians.

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<v Speaker 1>No one seems to have thought that anything like this

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<v Speaker 1>could happen. After three days, he hops on the subway uptown,

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<v Speaker 1>slowly making his way out into a new world. Along

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<v Speaker 1>the streets are photos of New Yorkers who are missing,

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<v Speaker 1>leaving Friday morning and emerging back into this shell shop

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<v Speaker 1>city that was just devastated and silent and had a

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<v Speaker 1>gaping wound in the skyline. I was inspired too, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>drawing the experience we had, but think about what would

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<v Speaker 1>we need in the future if something like this happened again.

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<v Speaker 1>How could we be better organized? How could we be

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<v Speaker 1>better integrated. Terrorism is now America's most urgent priority, but

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<v Speaker 1>the threat is changing shape quickly. When letters laced with

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<v Speaker 1>anthrax begin appearing in the mail, bio defense suddenly emerges

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<v Speaker 1>as another pressing concern. Richard is said to begin a

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<v Speaker 1>cancer fellowship at Duke University. After nine eleven, he changed

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<v Speaker 1>his course, devising a plan to form a network of

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<v Speaker 1>medical volunteers who can be mobilized swiftly in emergencies, not

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<v Speaker 1>just terrorism, but other health crises like epidemics. The concept

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<v Speaker 1>catches fire. Within weeks, he and his colleagues are briefing

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<v Speaker 1>the White House. President Bush's endorsement follows, and in early

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand two, Richard heads to Washington to help set

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<v Speaker 1>it up. I took a complete right turn in my

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<v Speaker 1>career at that point, you know, deviating from my plan

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<v Speaker 1>to complete an oncology fellowship and to go on and

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<v Speaker 1>practice medicine, to to do this odd thing that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to build on anything that I've done before. What

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<v Speaker 1>Richard doesn't realize is that his idea, initially sparked by

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<v Speaker 1>fears of domestic terrorism would take on increased importance in

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<v Speaker 1>the coming years and put him on the ground floor

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<v Speaker 1>of global efforts to battle biological threats. When you decide

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<v Speaker 1>you need to prepare the country for a pandemic, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you make that happen? And how do you persuade

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<v Speaker 1>a complacent population to brace for a possible catastrophe? A

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<v Speaker 1>pivotal policy sixteen years ago starts with a book. It's

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand five and George W. Bush's worries are expanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Eleven had already been at defining moment. Hurricane Katrina is

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<v Speaker 1>another unexpected disaster. Anxieties over an avian flu strain spreading

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<v Speaker 1>in Asia are also running high. Then the President learns

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<v Speaker 1>about a pandemic almost ninety years earlier that killed tens

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<v Speaker 1>of millions of people worldwide. Richard is working at the

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<v Speaker 1>Infectious Disease Division of the National Institutes of Health. The

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<v Speaker 1>President happened to read John Barry's book The Great Influenza,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a history of the flu, and it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>really scared him. And here was a natural threat that

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<v Speaker 1>had a potentially an impact that it was catastrophic beyond

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<v Speaker 1>anything that you know, Terrorists could do. Bush elevates the

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<v Speaker 1>issue to the top of his agenda, calling for a

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<v Speaker 1>national pandemic influenza strategy. Putting it together falls on the

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<v Speaker 1>shoulders of Regiev and Kayak, the President's adviser on biodefense.

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<v Speaker 1>Bush believes many parts of the government and economy aren't

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<v Speaker 1>focusing nearly enough on that kind of nightmare scenario. He

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<v Speaker 1>was regieve he didn't see that they were part of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet he knew that they would be affected. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the assumptions we made in pandemic planning is that

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<v Speaker 1>up to a third of your workforce could be out

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<v Speaker 1>of work at any given time because either they were

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<v Speaker 1>sick or at home taking care of somebody who's sick,

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<v Speaker 1>or because they're scared to come into work. Reggiev is

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<v Speaker 1>looking for backup, a strategic thinker with a medical background,

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<v Speaker 1>so he contacts the office of Tony Faucci, head of

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<v Speaker 1>the Infectious Disease Unit, and asked for Richard Reggieve knows

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<v Speaker 1>him from projects they'd worked on before what I asked

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<v Speaker 1>for and was allowed to pull together a team to

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<v Speaker 1>work on the implementation plan for the National Strategy for

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic influenza. He was one of the first people that

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<v Speaker 1>that came to mind, and we asked for him by name,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I had to make the difficult call and

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<v Speaker 1>request to Tony Fauci to get him to release Richard

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<v Speaker 1>to be a part of our pandemic flu efforts. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course Tony um saw the importance of it and

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<v Speaker 1>he agreed. Although I'm not sure gladly Bush's plan takes

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<v Speaker 1>shape quickly. In late two thousand five, he explains the

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<v Speaker 1>rationale and a speech televised on c SPAN proposing more

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<v Speaker 1>than seven billion dollars in spending. This moment, there is

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<v Speaker 1>no pandemic influenza in the United States or the world,

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<v Speaker 1>but if history is our guide, there is reason to

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<v Speaker 1>be concerned. The President is determined to pick up outbreaks earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>expand vaccine production, and boost readiness at the federal, state,

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<v Speaker 1>and local levels. Waiting until the lethal pathogen emerges could

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<v Speaker 1>have devastating consequences, and one day, many lives could be

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<v Speaker 1>needlessly lost because we failed to act today. By preparing now,

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<v Speaker 1>we can give our citizens some peace of mind knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that our nation is ready to act at the first

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<v Speaker 1>sign of danger. But the foresight isn't fully app ciated

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and the US commitment to tackling those

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<v Speaker 1>looming pandemic risks, it's inconsistent. After the Bush years, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>continues to worry with roles on Bush's Homeland Security Council

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<v Speaker 1>and the National Security staff. Under Barack Obama in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nine, the new president is forced to contend with

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<v Speaker 1>the swine flu pandemic just months into his term. The

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<v Speaker 1>spread of hibola and Africa poses another test. The Obama

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<v Speaker 1>administration was quite good at learning from its experience and

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<v Speaker 1>adapting to the reality of the world that it lived in.

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<v Speaker 1>It and it and it did elevate global health security

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<v Speaker 1>as as one of its priorities. But I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was driven to do that by, you know, what happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, not not because it was a priority

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning. Obama's team drafts a sixty nine page document,

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<v Speaker 1>a pandemic playbook, outlining how to respond to deadly viruses,

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<v Speaker 1>and leaves it behind for the Trump administration. Richard spends

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<v Speaker 1>several years at a US biomedical agency that works to

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<v Speaker 1>spur development of vaccines, drugs, and other countermeasures. Then, in

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<v Speaker 1>early seventeen, another door opens. The Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness

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<v Speaker 1>Innovations is launched and Richard is lured to run it.

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<v Speaker 1>SEPPI has influential backers. It began with almost half a

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars in funds and support from a few governments

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<v Speaker 1>and big foundations like Gates and Welcome. But keeping pandemics

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<v Speaker 1>front and center proves difficult. Swine flu turns out to

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<v Speaker 1>be less deadly than people feared ebola, worries EBB. Much

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<v Speaker 1>of the focus is on the Trump election and Brexit.

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<v Speaker 1>Elected officials and governments probably discounted the threat when we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the pandemic threat and talked about the huge

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<v Speaker 1>global cost of the pandemic. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people kind of secretly were like rolling

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes, thinking that we were just fearmongering. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that I'll have that problem going forward. At the end,

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<v Speaker 1>less than a year after that meeting in the Swiss Mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>officials in China begin investigating a pneumonia outbreak, an unknown

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<v Speaker 1>virus that's spreading fast. Within days, scores of researchers get

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<v Speaker 1>to work on potential vaccines to combat the pathogen. A

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<v Speaker 1>new Coronavirus Visor and its partnered bion tech Sprint out

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<v Speaker 1>of the Gates along with another company, Maderna, which has

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<v Speaker 1>been collaborating with the US government. Those drug makers are

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<v Speaker 1>betting on a technology called Messenger RNA. Richard has been

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<v Speaker 1>tracking progress in that field for years, so when he

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<v Speaker 1>receives an email from Maderna CEO Stefan ben Sell on January,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't need long to reply. The biotech company is

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<v Speaker 1>seeking funds to move its shot into human trials. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we basically made a decision in about seven minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>I Stefan's email was like, you know whatever, Diamond was

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<v Speaker 1>eight o'clock and it like eight oh seven. I was

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<v Speaker 1>responding saying, yeah, I think we should do this. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>for seed. But we knew the company, we needed the technology,

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<v Speaker 1>and we knew the urgency at that point. They sign

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<v Speaker 1>a contract just two days later and unveil it the

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<v Speaker 1>next morning back in Davos. And that was actually, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe a week before who even declared the outbreak of

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<v Speaker 1>public health emergency of International Concerned. That's how quickly we

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<v Speaker 1>were making decisions and moving. The vaccine race is on

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<v Speaker 1>and most people know how it plays out. In a

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable feat. Visor and Maderna create highly effective MR and

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<v Speaker 1>A shots within a year. The University of Oxford and

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<v Speaker 1>astras Eneka also crossed the finish line using a different technology,

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<v Speaker 1>building on work to develop a shot against MERS, the

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<v Speaker 1>other coronavirus threat, but gaps in surveillance and testing allowed

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<v Speaker 1>the virus to take off. Many governments respond to slowly

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<v Speaker 1>as cases climb. The Trump administration is blasted for ignoring

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic strategy and inherited Here's Obama speaking of the

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<v Speaker 1>campaign rally in Philadelphia in October. We literally left this

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<v Speaker 1>White House a pandemic playbook that would have shown them

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<v Speaker 1>how to respond before the virus reached our shots. They

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<v Speaker 1>probably used it, I don't know, prop up a wobbly

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<v Speaker 1>table somewhere. We don't know where that playbook went. Wealthy nations. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>Russia had to snap up vaccine supplies, leaving poorer regions

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<v Speaker 1>behind and unprotected as the highly contagious delta variant spreads.

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<v Speaker 1>The inequity of the distribution of vaccine in particular, but

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<v Speaker 1>also the other countermeasures, oxygen and the therapeutics that we

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<v Speaker 1>have to me that's the central story of the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also the central moral failure of humanity in our

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<v Speaker 1>response to the pandemic. Richards says a program known as

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<v Speaker 1>Kovac's is helping to right those wrongs. He was part

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<v Speaker 1>of early discussions that led to its creation. The initiative

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<v Speaker 1>aim to deliver vaccines fairly to every corner of the planet,

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<v Speaker 1>but it struggled to access doses and fallen short of

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<v Speaker 1>its goals. Wealthy governments and pharmaceutical companies have faced criticism

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<v Speaker 1>for not doing more to narrow the divide. Next time,

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<v Speaker 1>the world will need to spread vaccine technologies and manufacturing

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<v Speaker 1>capabilities more widely. Petro To Blanche is trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>that a reality. She directs a Cape Town based biotech

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<v Speaker 1>company called Afrogen Biologics and Vaccines. The business is working

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<v Speaker 1>with the w h O and other partners on an

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<v Speaker 1>m R and a hub to produce new shots and

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<v Speaker 1>train people from other countries to make them. They aim

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<v Speaker 1>to reproduce the Madurna vaccine, a product that's failed to

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<v Speaker 1>reach large parts of the globe, and have a candidate

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<v Speaker 1>ready for human trials in about a year. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>looking well beyond that project, hoping to put lower income

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<v Speaker 1>regions in a stronger position in the future. Here's tore blanche,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's part of a global initiative to ensure that

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<v Speaker 1>not in any industry short term, but in the long term,

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<v Speaker 1>low and middle income countries have access to m R

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<v Speaker 1>and A technology platforms, and at low and middle income

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<v Speaker 1>countries are able to sustainably manufactured at least a significant

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<v Speaker 1>portion of the vaccines that they are required to ensure

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<v Speaker 1>health security. This is not a one year program, This

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<v Speaker 1>is not a five year program. This is a fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>year program. A year after the first COVID inoculations arrived

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<v Speaker 1>in rich countries, many African nations have yet to fully

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<v Speaker 1>vaccinate ten percent of their people. The clearing access gap

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<v Speaker 1>during the COVID pandemic as fueled calls to boost manufacturing

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<v Speaker 1>and developing nations and help those regions become more self sufficient.

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<v Speaker 1>Africa imports more than of its vaccines. Petro says the

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<v Speaker 1>past couple of years have been painful, but she's optimistic

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<v Speaker 1>the new technologies and increased investment will have a lasting

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<v Speaker 1>impact beyond COVID. The bigginest lesson for us is that

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot rely on the rest of the world to

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<v Speaker 1>provide us with how security when the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>world are in a pandemic um. It is the it's

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<v Speaker 1>the it's the selfish gene that you us never underestimate.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a route awakening that this, this, this can this

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be repeated ever. In the West African country of Senegal,

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<v Speaker 1>a new production plant is set to become part of

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<v Speaker 1>the solution as well. By the end of next year,

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<v Speaker 1>the proposed facility at the Institute Pasteur may start making

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five million vaccine doses a month, targeting COVID and

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<v Speaker 1>other diseases. It's backed by European countries, the US, the

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<v Speaker 1>World Bank, and others. Amadou Saw, the veteran virologist who

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<v Speaker 1>directs the institute in Senegal, says the plant could spurre

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<v Speaker 1>more investment and become a model for the continent. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not a project only about making vaccine, but also

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great opportunity to build a future and hope

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<v Speaker 1>that the younger generation won't have to face what we're

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<v Speaker 1>facing right now. Amado has spent decades urging people to

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<v Speaker 1>prepare for outbreaks. After the Ebola crisis, he received a

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<v Speaker 1>painting as a gift from his wife and children. On

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<v Speaker 1>one side, as a family shrouded in darkness, threatened by

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<v Speaker 1>looming virus. The other is filled with bright light, a

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<v Speaker 1>symbol of the science that will save them. He put

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<v Speaker 1>it on the wall of his office in downtown Dakar,

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<v Speaker 1>a reminder of his mission. We should be conscious that

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<v Speaker 1>we may have other covids. They may not be necessarily COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>that they may be influenza or another new disease, and

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<v Speaker 1>the world should be prepared for that. But people are

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<v Speaker 1>talking a lot about having a new normal, meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>we would have to cope with living under some condition

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<v Speaker 1>because the epidemic may be something very regular we have

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<v Speaker 1>to take into account. As Amadou says, Africa, along with

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world, will be tested again. Coronavirus

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<v Speaker 1>is influenza, and of other pathogens around scientists watch list.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there are diseases that aren't yet known to infect humans.

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<v Speaker 1>The next ones could be tougher targets. Scientists may not

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<v Speaker 1>be able to easily replicate the COVID success story, work

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<v Speaker 1>that benefited from previous investments in targeting coronaviruses. Despite decades

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<v Speaker 1>of work, there still is in a vaccine for HIV

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<v Speaker 1>as Imperials Robin Shattuck knows well. The danger is that

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<v Speaker 1>something new comes along on people expect it solved within

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<v Speaker 1>a year, and it may just be a bigger challenge

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<v Speaker 1>for the scientific community. Robbin's experience also underscores the complexities

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<v Speaker 1>of vaccine development. After falling behind, Imperial decided not to

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<v Speaker 1>go forward with a larger trial this year, lacking the

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<v Speaker 1>budget of a big farm a company. Instead, it's refocused

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<v Speaker 1>on variants, booster shots, and refining its approach. Their technology

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<v Speaker 1>may not play a role today, the hope is that

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<v Speaker 1>it will in the future. In September, a university spinoff

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<v Speaker 1>Robin co founded attracted astros Eneka as a partner. Imperial's method,

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<v Speaker 1>called self amplifying RNA shows potential and stimulating strong immune

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<v Speaker 1>responses with very small doses. Messenger RNA vaccines temporarily turned

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<v Speaker 1>the body cells into vaccine making factories. This could be

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<v Speaker 1>part of the next generation. If Robin's team can prove

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<v Speaker 1>it works, the technology could reduce manufacturing costs in a pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>It could allow supplies to reach vast parts of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>If we can meet that challenge of very low doses,

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<v Speaker 1>it completely changes the productivity and will enhance global access.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you can make thirty two a hundred times

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<v Speaker 1>more vaccine, then you're going to have just way more

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<v Speaker 1>doses to to go around. Another goal is avoiding the

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<v Speaker 1>need to freeze or one day even refrigerate RNA vaccines

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<v Speaker 1>during shipping and storage. That could remove an obstacle for

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<v Speaker 1>immunization campaigns into heloping countries. The rollout in low and

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<v Speaker 1>middle income countries has been tragically slow, and we can't

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<v Speaker 1>continue to live with this kind of two phase approach

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<v Speaker 1>where rich countries get vaccinated very quickly and are already

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about boosters, where low income countries just have had

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<v Speaker 1>perishingly few vaccine doses. Richard now wants to draw on

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 1>those lessons. One part of the plan is creating a

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<v Speaker 1>library at prototype vaccines targeting up to two dozen viral

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<v Speaker 1>families that could provide a crucial head start in battling

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<v Speaker 1>future outbreaks when they arise. Scientists are also working on

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<v Speaker 1>experimental all in one vaccines that could offer broad protection

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<v Speaker 1>against multiple coronavirus is not just the one that causes COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>and Richard wants to move even faster on vaccines, potentially

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<v Speaker 1>developing them in just one days. A moonshot ambition we

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<v Speaker 1>can see a pathway and perhaps as little as as

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<v Speaker 1>ten years of focused work two radically reduce the risk

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<v Speaker 1>that these diseases present, you know, for the future. And

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<v Speaker 1>if we can do that, we will live in a

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<v Speaker 1>much safer world. Still, the next pandemic could happen sooner

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<v Speaker 1>than we think. Rising populations and increased travel can allow

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<v Speaker 1>viruses to spread quickly. Encroachment into natural habitats, swelling cities,

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<v Speaker 1>and wildlife trade raise the likelihood of diseases jumping from

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<v Speaker 1>animals to people, and researchers say climate change is expanding

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<v Speaker 1>the range of disease carrying insects like mosquitoes. There are

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<v Speaker 1>a number of trend lines that would increase the risk

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<v Speaker 1>of future emerging diseases, and all those trend lines are

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<v Speaker 1>long term trends, and they're all heading in the wrong direction.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think what we're dealing with is a a

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<v Speaker 1>category of of thread that has not been discharged because

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<v Speaker 1>we've now had a pandemic. That doesn't buy us another

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years of safety. Vaccines are just one tool, along

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<v Speaker 1>with expanded monitoring and sequencing to track mutations. Artificial intelligence

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:20.359
<v Speaker 1>and data analysis are also critical. Sally Davies England's former

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<v Speaker 1>Chief Medical officer is on the front lines of that effort.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, she formed the Trinity Challenge, a coalition that's

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<v Speaker 1>funding promising projects all over the world from Europe to Asia.

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<v Speaker 1>Technology companies Facebook, Google and Microsoft are members. We came

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<v Speaker 1>together saying never again. We asked people to engineer the

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<v Speaker 1>collision of data science with public health to answer the

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<v Speaker 1>questions by producing innovations that can be scaled, that can

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<v Speaker 1>become public goods affordable in loan middle income countries as well,

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<v Speaker 1>to really make a difference to can you pick up

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<v Speaker 1>spill over earlier? Can you clamp down on an outbreak?

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<v Speaker 1>Can we respond better? Can we recover better? One recipient

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<v Speaker 1>of Trinity funds in Thailand arms local farmers with an

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<v Speaker 1>app that allows them to quickly flag emerging diseases that

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<v Speaker 1>could pass from animals to humans. Another is using AI

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<v Speaker 1>to analyze billions of annual blood tests to try to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up epidemics early. Those initiatives could give governments an

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<v Speaker 1>edge and preventing local outbreaks from exploding into something far worse.

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<v Speaker 1>The former UK health official is focused on a number

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<v Speaker 1>of risks like influenza. She also worries about a different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of pandemic, one that's moving more slowly than COVID

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<v Speaker 1>but killing hundreds of thousands of people every year. I

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<v Speaker 1>am very concerned about anti microbial resistance, the superbugs, the

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<v Speaker 1>bugs that developed resistance to the treatments we use, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's bacteria to antibiotics, viruses to anti virals, fungi to

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<v Speaker 1>their treatments, which is a slow and silent pandemic that's

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<v Speaker 1>rising steadily up. Money and expertise are important, but galvanizing

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:10.919
<v Speaker 1>world leaders also requires tenacity. In Sally Davies pushed then

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister David Cameron to take on superbugs. Or my

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 1>husband once said, when I was Chief Medical Officer, the

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<v Speaker 1>senior people probably thought they'd appointed a doctor who would

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<v Speaker 1>tell them the evidence. Well, they didn't understand was they

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<v Speaker 1>got a campaigner who was a doctor who would tell

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<v Speaker 1>them the evidence. And the evidence on anti microbial resistance

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 1>is powerful. It wasn't strong enough. When I realized we

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>needed as a world to move on it, so I

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<v Speaker 1>went with our Cabinet secretary to see the then Prime

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Minister Cameron. I said to him, it's as complex and

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<v Speaker 1>complicated as climate change. She and her colleagues moved the

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.920
<v Speaker 1>issue out of the realm of technocrats, as she puts it,

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<v Speaker 1>and into the public eye. Report that came out of

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<v Speaker 1>this effort found that without any action, drug resistant diseases

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<v Speaker 1>by twenty fifty could cause up to ten million deaths

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<v Speaker 1>a year and have massive economic costs. It's not too late,

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<v Speaker 1>but we must take action. All there will be many

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>dead because you, the politicians haven't committed the money. You

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>the companies haven't made new drugs, We have not set

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<v Speaker 1>up surveillance systems. Here I am banging on still seven

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<v Speaker 1>eight years after I started. People tend to believe the

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<v Speaker 1>future will look like the past. So how do you

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<v Speaker 1>prepare for something you can't imagine? Here's regieve again. The

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>former Bush advisor now runs the vaccines business for Takeda,

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>the Japanese pharmaceutical company, and he's also on the board

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of SEPPI. The swine flu or H one N one

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic should have been a warning instead, because the fallout

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>was limited, R. Jeeves says, it led people to relax.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a real concern that people's imagination will be

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<v Speaker 1>limited by their most recent experience. UH the H one

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<v Speaker 1>N one pandemic paradoxically probably drove a level of complacency

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<v Speaker 1>around influenza. Now, COVID will likely be seen as a

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<v Speaker 1>worst case scenario given the massive health and economic pain

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<v Speaker 1>it's caused, But we could see a similar story play

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<v Speaker 1>out again, and it's possible a future contagion could be

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<v Speaker 1>even more devastating, combining an ability to spread easily with

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<v Speaker 1>a higher fatality rate. The virus that causes COVID is

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<v Speaker 1>much less lethal than stars and mers. Another worry is

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<v Speaker 1>a disease that severely afflicts groups beyond the elderly and

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<v Speaker 1>those with underlying health conditions. Take the pandemic the one

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<v Speaker 1>that frightened President Bush. People between twenty and forty years

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<v Speaker 1>old were hit hard by that virus, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>younger and older populations. I see plenty of reasons why

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<v Speaker 1>COVID could be far from the worst UH pandemic that

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<v Speaker 1>we could face, and battling dangerous viruses could become more

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<v Speaker 1>difficult as governments and scientists confront distrust and it divided population. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>my biggest concern coming out of this pandemic is the

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<v Speaker 1>undermining of confidence in public health authorities and the scientific

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<v Speaker 1>community that we've seen driven by misinformation and disinformation, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is not something that's going to be corrected overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>Countries cannot afford to let that persist. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to have a comprehensive strategy to deal with with misinformation,

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<v Speaker 1>because in the absence of that, we will have a

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<v Speaker 1>chaotic response, as we've seen in many parts of the US,

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<v Speaker 1>and that will ultimately lead to far more people getting

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<v Speaker 1>sick and dying as we're seeing today than necessary. Regieves says.

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<v Speaker 1>Health officials need to take advantage of the focus on

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<v Speaker 1>COVID to step up development of vaccines, therapies, and testing technology.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no guarantee that whatever we do is going to

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate the pandemic threat, to be clear, but there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot that we could do to be more prepared, not

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<v Speaker 1>just for flu viruses and coronaviruses, but for viruses from

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<v Speaker 1>other families. One key is messenger RNA. It's a bright

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<v Speaker 1>spot amid the misery of the past two years that

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<v Speaker 1>bodes well for the future, bringing the benefits of speed

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<v Speaker 1>and flexibility, even if traditional methods will still be needed.

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<v Speaker 1>Nations also must brought in their efforts to keep up

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<v Speaker 1>with both old scourges as well as new enemies. Richard says,

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<v Speaker 1>Nipa and Hendra, the deadly paramix of viruses, are expanding

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<v Speaker 1>their global range, and they're just a couple of examples.

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<v Speaker 1>We got out of the gate like Hussain Bold in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of responding to coronaviruses, and we're not ready to

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<v Speaker 1>do that with other viral families. And there are many

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<v Speaker 1>other viral families that present concerns. We need to be

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<v Speaker 1>as ready for paramix of viruses and and for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the other five viral families that are known to cause

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<v Speaker 1>human disease as we were for coronavirus. Is twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>after nine eleven, Richard again sees an opportunity in the

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<v Speaker 1>wake of a disaster. He envisions the world in which

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<v Speaker 1>pandemics are preventable in the same way famines are no

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<v Speaker 1>longer inevitable thanks to early warning efforts, but achieving that

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<v Speaker 1>will be a massive challenge. After COVID nineteen, I am

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<v Speaker 1>very concerned that in a sense, as as damaging and

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<v Speaker 1>disruptive as it has been, as many millions of people

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<v Speaker 1>as it has killed, and as much economic damage as

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<v Speaker 1>it has caused, which is in the tens of trillions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars probably that COVID may just be a shot

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<v Speaker 1>across the bowl that there is ahead of us in

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<v Speaker 1>this century, a pandemic that would make COVID look like

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<v Speaker 1>a mild pandemic relative to what is possible For now.

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<v Speaker 1>The priority is getting COVID under control and grappling with

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<v Speaker 1>the risk posed by variants like amicron, taking advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>the innovation that emerges from the pandemic. Strengthening the w

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<v Speaker 1>h O and boosting funding are seen as important next steps.

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<v Speaker 1>That's spending to try to avert a future calamity. It

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<v Speaker 1>would be tiny compared with the potential cost. If we

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<v Speaker 1>stay focused and and leverage the political will that COVID

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<v Speaker 1>has generated. I think we can dramatically reduce or even

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate the risk of future pandemics if we want to,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we have to, because I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>an existential threat to modern society. It's a message governments

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<v Speaker 1>have failed to heat in the past. Well the world

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<v Speaker 1>assume that this is a once in a century event

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<v Speaker 1>and let its guard down again when COVID finally recedes,

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<v Speaker 1>or will we see this pandemic as a wake up call?

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<v Speaker 1>The health and economic stakes couldn't be higher This episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Prognosis Breakthrough was written and reported by me. James

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<v Speaker 1>peyton To for Foreheads and Magnus Hendrickson are the senior producers.

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<v Speaker 1>Karl Kevin Robinson Jr. Is our associate producer. Our theme

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<v Speaker 1>music was composed and performed by Hannis Brown. Rick Shine

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