WEBVTT - The Age of Extremophiles

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<v Speaker 1>Also media, Hey everybody, this is it could happen here.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am Robert Evans, and initially this was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a slightly different episode. I have been pondering

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<v Speaker 1>over the fact recently that I feel weirdly optimistic, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>in the last couple of weeks, especially compared to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the people that I know and spend time around.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's because I've been interpreting some of

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<v Speaker 1>the same pieces of news differently than they have, and

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<v Speaker 1>because I've been coming across some different pieces of information

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<v Speaker 1>than they have. And I wanted to kind of walk

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<v Speaker 1>people through why I've been feeling so optimistic, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote something and I recorded it around Thursday of

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<v Speaker 1>last week, and then over the weekend a gunman attack

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<v Speaker 1>the White House Correspondence dinner, and I actually, this hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really changed any of my overall feelings. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that this week, probably on ED. But I did make

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<v Speaker 1>some alterations to the episode as a result of that,

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<v Speaker 1>although I I do think it reinforces my primary point,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that the political era that we now find

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves in is one dominated by extremophiles. Extremophiles are organisms

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<v Speaker 1>with unique cellular and molecular mechanisms that allow them to

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<v Speaker 1>survive and thrive in extreme habitats. I'm talking about places

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<v Speaker 1>like volcanic vents at the very bottom of the ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>or the Dead Sea. If you've ever wondered why it's

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<v Speaker 1>called the Dead Sea, it's because for a very long time,

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<v Speaker 1>people thought it was too salty to host any life.

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<v Speaker 1>Modern research has disabused us of this notion. The dead

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<v Speaker 1>sea hosts life. It's just weird life, because the Dead

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<v Speaker 1>Sea is a weird place. The term extremophile was coined

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy four by R. D. McElroy to describe

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<v Speaker 1>microorganisms scientists we're increasingly finding in places that should have

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<v Speaker 1>been devoid of life. The word is a hybrid term

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<v Speaker 1>that literally means love of extremes, and while it is

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<v Speaker 1>usually used in a scientific context to describe small organisms

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<v Speaker 1>and very odd locations, where its have over the years

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out that the label might well apply to humans too.

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<v Speaker 1>In the journal article all about Extremophiles JOHNS. Hopkins Universities,

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<v Speaker 1>James A. Koker wrote that quote, despite common perception, most

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<v Speaker 1>of Earth is what is often referred to as an

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<v Speaker 1>extreme environment. Yet to the organisms that call these places home.

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<v Speaker 1>It is simply that home. They have adapted to thrive

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<v Speaker 1>in these environments, and in the process have evolved many

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<v Speaker 1>unique adaptations at the molecular and atomic level. In our

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<v Speaker 1>human centric view of the planet Earth, we tend to

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<v Speaker 1>think of ourselves as being in the Goldilock zone, not

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<v Speaker 1>too hot or too cold, protected from radiation, and filled

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<v Speaker 1>with all the things necessary for life to exist. To

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<v Speaker 1>some extent, this is true. However, this view keeps us

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<v Speaker 1>from acknowledging several basic facts, including that the Earth is

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<v Speaker 1>mostly a cold place. Over ninety percent of its oceans

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<v Speaker 1>are at or below five degrees celsius, and it has

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<v Speaker 1>an average temperature of around fifteen degrees celsius, and several

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<v Speaker 1>conditions we humans consider normal i e. Twenty percent oxygen

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<v Speaker 1>in the air actually make us extremophiles from the point

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<v Speaker 1>of view of other species. End quote. Now, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a bad tendency to want to apply literal knowledge like

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<v Speaker 1>this metaphorically to my understanding of politics. It's a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a sickness, but it also makes more sense sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>than you'd expect. There's a tendency among many millennials and

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<v Speaker 1>even Gen Z and Alpha kids too young to have

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<v Speaker 1>known the nineties to look back on that decade as

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of cultural goldilock zone, as if the brief

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<v Speaker 1>period post Cold War in pre nine to eleven was

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of cultural peak for our species, and everything

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<v Speaker 1>since has been a slow downhill slide. People have different

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<v Speaker 1>reasons for this. Some of them blame nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people will argue that we were in that sweet

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<v Speaker 1>spot where the Internet existed and could tap you into

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<v Speaker 1>cool and interesting things, but social media hadn't come along

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<v Speaker 1>yet and ruined it all. You know, different people come

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<v Speaker 1>up with different justifications for this, but this view keeps

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<v Speaker 1>people from acknowledging some very basic facts about the nineteen nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that they were full of genocides and Rwanda

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<v Speaker 1>and Bosnia just to name two, and repeated the US

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<v Speaker 1>military adventures and misadventures in other parts of the globe,

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<v Speaker 1>some of which ended disastrously as in Mogadishu. Our president

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<v Speaker 1>for most of the nineties was a sex pest, and

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<v Speaker 1>members of the far right staged a series of bloody

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist attacks, including the Oklahoma City bombing and Olympic Park bombing.

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<v Speaker 1>And while all this was happening, a new and more

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<v Speaker 1>openly extremist Republican Party captured Congress while hapless outmaneuver Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>gawked in awe. The reality is that the nineties were

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<v Speaker 1>a time of extremity, of extreme weirdness and darkness, just

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<v Speaker 1>like every other period of human existence, and the extremity

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<v Speaker 1>of the era helped birth a new conservative movement, one

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<v Speaker 1>radical enough to wrench power from the liberals and bring

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<v Speaker 1>us ultimately into the slavering jaws of the Bush era. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>those same neo Conservatives seemed tame next to their modern descendants,

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<v Speaker 1>the Maga movement, but in their own time, they were

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<v Speaker 1>the craziest bastards out there. And this hits at a

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental reality in American politics. If survival and extreme time

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<v Speaker 1>requires extreme adaptations, then it's no wonder that for much

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<v Speaker 1>of our lives, the extremists are the ones who have

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<v Speaker 1>primarily thrived electorally. Democrats like to forget this, but Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton felt like a pretty big swing to folks exiting

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<v Speaker 1>the era of Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush,

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<v Speaker 1>just as Barack Obama was seen as the most extreme

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<v Speaker 1>choice imaginable by roughly half of this country. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he was such an extreme choice that the Conservative movement

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<v Speaker 1>had to birth the Tea Party and eventually the Maga

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<v Speaker 1>movement in order to unseat the Democratic Party and repeal

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<v Speaker 1>the changes from the Obama years in power. I like

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about this stuff because I find it interesting that

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<v Speaker 1>one common theme from evolutionary biology to modern politics is this,

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<v Speaker 1>in extreme environments, extreme adaptations are necessary to survive. We

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<v Speaker 1>Homo sapiens, have been in the business of extreme adaptations

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<v Speaker 1>for as long as we've existed. That's all. Central heating

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<v Speaker 1>and air vaccines, antibiotics, and the AR fifteen are adaptations

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<v Speaker 1>to extreme environments and situations, many of them extreme environments

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<v Speaker 1>and situations that we created for ourselves. The problem is

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<v Speaker 1>our adaptations have a nasty tendency to drive even more

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<v Speaker 1>extreme circumstances, which in turn foster further adaptations, and so

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<v Speaker 1>on and so forth until we invent the Internet and

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<v Speaker 1>satellite guided thermonuclear bombs. Extreme adaptations are not always good,

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<v Speaker 1>but once you've found yourself thrown into an extreme environment,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't just wish the weather was different. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>to adapt. That's the bad news about our current political situation.

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<v Speaker 1>The good news is that the pendulum has started to

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<v Speaker 1>swing back our way. The extremism of the Trump era

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<v Speaker 1>is provoking its own equal but opposite reaction, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can see the first stirrings of that and the popularity

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<v Speaker 1>of Zoron Mandani, or the fact that a former pillow

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<v Speaker 1>of neo conservatism like Bill Crystal is currently advocating for

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<v Speaker 1>the abolition of ice. We are in the process of

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<v Speaker 1>deciding the next extreme that will dominate American politics, which

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<v Speaker 1>means we have the opportunity to adapt with policies and

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<v Speaker 1>changes that are every bit as good as the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump administration has forced through our bad To do that,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have to be brave, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to start getting our shit together now, because

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<v Speaker 1>this window of opportunity won't last long. The way I

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<v Speaker 1>see it, the GOP entered office this time around, intent

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<v Speaker 1>on waging the political equivalent of a shock and awe campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>They burnt up any goodwill or benefit of the doubt

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<v Speaker 1>they might have had in an orgy of careless and

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<v Speaker 1>brutal cuts to basic government functions carried out by the

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<v Speaker 1>least sympathetic group of Grober's imaginable, one of whom was

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<v Speaker 1>nicknamed Big Balls, A fleury of state and local legislative

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<v Speaker 1>pushes and criminal investigations aimed at hurting left wing activists

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<v Speaker 1>and queer, particularly trans people have done tremendous damage, as

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<v Speaker 1>have relentless ice raids on mostly non white Americans. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been bad, and yet we're still here. I won't pretend

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<v Speaker 1>we're in a good situation today, not at least in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of what we'd like good to mean in the

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<v Speaker 1>everyday sense of the word. Many of us haven't survived

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<v Speaker 1>the first sixteen months or so of the second Trunk President.

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<v Speaker 1>Fewer of us are going to make it to the end.

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<v Speaker 1>But this regime came to power with the knowledge that

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<v Speaker 1>their success or failure hinged on speed and violence of action.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a limited window to make resistance impossible, and

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<v Speaker 1>they missed it. You can see some evidence of this

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<v Speaker 1>in our War of Choice against Iran. President Trump wanted

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<v Speaker 1>a quick, brutal triumph that would look good on the

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<v Speaker 1>evening news, so he told his military to bear down

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<v Speaker 1>on Iran with all the speed and violence of action

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<v Speaker 1>they could muster. That plan failed, and the reasons why

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<v Speaker 1>are weirdly similar to how the Republican Party has overplayed

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<v Speaker 1>their hand in our ongoing culture war. Back in Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>first term, the DoD established the Algorithmic Warfare cross functional

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<v Speaker 1>team nicknamed Project Maven. The goal of the project, as

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<v Speaker 1>per Lieutenant General Jack Shanahan, was to automate the analysis

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<v Speaker 1>of drone footage and other data humans previously would have

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<v Speaker 1>gone over by hand, in order to speed up the

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<v Speaker 1>rate at which targets were identified and struck in wartime.

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<v Speaker 1>Project Mabon from the Jump was a product of the

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<v Speaker 1>worst kind of military thing. How can we automate as

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<v Speaker 1>much of our planning of warfare as possible? This is

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of project you pursue when your finest military

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<v Speaker 1>minds still believe that victory is as simple as killing

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<v Speaker 1>or destroying a preset number of bad guys, causing them

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<v Speaker 1>to give up. The goal was to create a system

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<v Speaker 1>that could colate and synthesize huge quantities of data in

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<v Speaker 1>order to allow one thousand targeting decisions per hour. Kevin Baker,

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<v Speaker 1>writing for The Guardian, notes that this means quote three

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<v Speaker 1>point six seconds per decision, or from the individual targeteer's perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>one decision every seventy two seconds. Now we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about where this kind of thinking has led US

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<v Speaker 1>in our conflict with Iran. But first, here's some ads.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back now. If you listen to the advocates of

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of military build up that people who are

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<v Speaker 1>really bullish on AI for military purposes talk and their

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts and on their blogs, the reasoning behind why you

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<v Speaker 1>need to be able to make a thousand targeting decisions

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<v Speaker 1>per hour is pretty obvious. They're obsessed with the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that a future war between the US and a peer

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<v Speaker 1>or near peer adversary, most prominently China, right, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they're planning on now. The Chinese military is also heavily

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<v Speaker 1>invested in AI. There was a major New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>article earlier this month in April of twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>titled Mutually Automated destruction the escalating global AI arms race.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to quote from that now. China and Russia

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<v Speaker 1>are experimenting with letting AI make battlefield decisions on its own.

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<v Speaker 1>Two US officials said China is developing systems for dozens

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<v Speaker 1>of autonomous drones to coordinate attacks without human thought, while

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<v Speaker 1>Russia is building Lancet drones that can circle the sky

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<v Speaker 1>on autonomously pick targets. They said Even as the specifics

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<v Speaker 1>of the technologies remain veiled, the intentions are clear. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen, mister Putin declared that whoever leads in AI

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<v Speaker 1>will become the ruler of the world. Mister z said

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty four that the technology would be the

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<v Speaker 1>main battleground of geopolitical competition. In January, Defense Secretary Pete

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<v Speaker 1>Hegseth directed all branches of the US military to adopt AI,

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<v Speaker 1>saying they needed to accelerate like hell now. My interpretation

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<v Speaker 1>of what I've read from most of these guys is

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<v Speaker 1>that they see future conflict as a massive but almost

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<v Speaker 1>instantaneous chess game. Right, whoever has the AI that can

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<v Speaker 1>most quickly and effectively sort through their intelligence, come up

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<v Speaker 1>with target packages, and then strike those targets first wins. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If we can make a thousand decisions and a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>strikes in an hour and they can only make eight hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll destroy more of them and will win the war. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It'll all be decided right at the start. And this

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<v Speaker 1>may well be how a shooting war between China and

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<v Speaker 1>the US would proceed. But given that very few people

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<v Speaker 1>in either country want that war to happen because it

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<v Speaker 1>would kill us. All I think we might do best

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on the war our country is currently fighting, where

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<v Speaker 1>this logic has resulted in a catastrophic failure. For at

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<v Speaker 1>least the second time in my life. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three, the United States invaded Iraq. After more than

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<v Speaker 1>a year of build up, in years of intelligence gathering,

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<v Speaker 1>our military planners put together a list of fifty high

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<v Speaker 1>value targets. The idea was, if we could use our

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<v Speaker 1>incredible super advanced spying equipment and our precision guided weapons

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<v Speaker 1>to wipe out the most important figures of resistance in Iraq,

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<v Speaker 1>we could hobble any response to the invasion. All fifty

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<v Speaker 1>targets were struck. None of the people targeted were killed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that doesn't mean no one was killed. It just

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<v Speaker 1>means we missed all the people we thought we were

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<v Speaker 1>going to hit. To quote from Kevin Baker's great article, again,

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<v Speaker 1>the targeting cycle had been fast enough to hit fifty buildings,

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<v Speaker 1>and too fast to discover it was hitting the wrong ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Fast forward earlier this year, the Trump administration orders the

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<v Speaker 1>launch of Operation Epic Fury and unleashed a nightmare arsenal

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<v Speaker 1>of hyper advanced weaponry on the people and leaders of

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<v Speaker 1>Iran alongside the Israeli Air Force. In the first two weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>US forces hit six thousand targets picked with the help

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<v Speaker 1>of Project Mavin. One of them was the monob Girls

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<v Speaker 1>Elementary School, which was destroyed by a missile, killing one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty six and wounding then ninety five now

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Krp, the CEO of Pallanteer's hyper Advanced AI, and

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<v Speaker 1>a multi billion dollar network of satellites backed up by

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<v Speaker 1>decades of intelligence gathering by the CIA, and the massade

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't enough to drop us from striking a school that

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<v Speaker 1>we knew contained none of our targets. We had data

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<v Speaker 1>that the people we thought were there at one point

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<v Speaker 1>were no longer there and it was a school now.

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<v Speaker 1>But some of the data may even relied on was

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<v Speaker 1>old and outdated. And these machines aren't capable of real

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<v Speaker 1>judgment and the way we think of it, And because

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<v Speaker 1>people trusted them so much, no one thought to check

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<v Speaker 1>before ordering the strikes. This is a human error, This

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<v Speaker 1>is not an AI error, but it illustrates a massive

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<v Speaker 1>law in the fantasy that winning a war could be

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<v Speaker 1>as easy as building a smarter machine now to be accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is important to note a lot of those

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<v Speaker 1>six thousand targets were what we thought, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>accurately struck and killed. In the opening salvo of the war,

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump and his mouthpieces celebrated their successful assassination of

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<v Speaker 1>Iron Supreme Leader, alongside many other prominent military governmental officials.

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<v Speaker 1>This seemed at first to be way more successful than

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<v Speaker 1>the opening strikes against a Rock. They didn't get any

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<v Speaker 1>of those fifty guys. We got a bunch of our

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<v Speaker 1>initial targets in this first wave of strikes. Maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't have the right technology when we invaded Rock.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe now we're doing it right, you know, finally we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be able to win a war this way. However, that

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<v Speaker 1>quickly proved untrue. All of those strikes put together were

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<v Speaker 1>not enough to break Iron's will or its capacity to

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<v Speaker 1>fight and fight back effectively. Now Donald Trump finds himself

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<v Speaker 1>trapped in an expensive quagmire, one that is already bleeding

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<v Speaker 1>him advanced munitions and equipment while it crashes the global economy.

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<v Speaker 1>Most recent AP and RC poll puts Trump's overall approval

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<v Speaker 1>at thirty three percent, which is down five percent since

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<v Speaker 1>just back in March, only thirty two percent of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>approve of his leadership on Iran. Because most of this

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<v Speaker 1>country can still see a man shooting himself in the

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<v Speaker 1>dick for what it is. Pete Hegseth is our most

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<v Speaker 1>lethality obsessed Secretary of Defense and History, and in him

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<v Speaker 1>we see the result of a long sickness first incubated

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<v Speaker 1>during the Vietnam War, when embarrassed generals needed to spin

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<v Speaker 1>their failure to make progress as a kind of victory,

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<v Speaker 1>so they turned to bragging about how many fighters they

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<v Speaker 1>had killed, inevitably defining many civilian dead as enemy combatants,

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<v Speaker 1>and bragging about the tonnage of trucking that they destroyed

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<v Speaker 1>based on wildly incomplete and inaccurate intelligence. Ever since this

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<v Speaker 1>calamitous era, informed students of military theory have seen doing

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<v Speaker 1>body counts as the death knell of a military entity's

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<v Speaker 1>ability to make intelligent decisions that move their forces closer

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<v Speaker 1>to victory. But because the entire conservative project in this

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<v Speaker 1>country is built on the thoughtless worship of military prowess

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<v Speaker 1>and power, we've seen this kind of thinking trickle down

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<v Speaker 1>to the sare cadra of influencers who call themselves right

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<v Speaker 1>wing intellectuals. Today, I'm talking about dudes like Matt Walsh

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<v Speaker 1>and Chris Ruffo who built their reputations on picking targets

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<v Speaker 1>to drum up mobs against and uses the basis of

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<v Speaker 1>attack ads. These people have proven legitimately good at stirring

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<v Speaker 1>up hat and forcing laws all over the country restricting

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<v Speaker 1>things like drag shows, are the use of chosen pronouns

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<v Speaker 1>and government documents. All these people are by definition huge assholes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so are their followers, and thus when those people

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<v Speaker 1>get radicalized to take action in their communities, they make

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<v Speaker 1>those communities worse. This pisses off their neighbors, which has

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in significant backlash across the country. As an example,

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<v Speaker 1>Moms for Liberty was formed in Florida on January first,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, by Republican activists and former school board

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<v Speaker 1>members who were outraged about pandemic safety protocols and schools.

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<v Speaker 1>They became a vehicle for the parental rights movement, a

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<v Speaker 1>nebulous and deeply toxic force in American political life that

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<v Speaker 1>sees the parent as a kind of absolute sovereign over

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<v Speaker 1>the life and mind of their child. Any influence that

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<v Speaker 1>might lead that child to become a different kind of

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<v Speaker 1>person than the parent, and visions must be pruned away.

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<v Speaker 1>The group used the then fresh moral panic over critical

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<v Speaker 1>race theory as a lever from which to force themselves

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<v Speaker 1>into American life. In June of twenty twenty one, they

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<v Speaker 1>started filing what would become a long series of criminal

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<v Speaker 1>complaints against books available in specific school libraries across the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Schools started removing books, and Moms for Liberty inspired candidates

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<v Speaker 1>began winning school board elections around the country. It looked

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<v Speaker 1>for a little while like a popular wave of hysterical

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<v Speaker 1>fear might yank America into a Fahrenheit four fifty one

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<v Speaker 1>style future slightly ahead of schedule. But just a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years later, a funny thing happened. Moms for Liberty

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<v Speaker 1>backed candidates started losing major elections, first a series of

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<v Speaker 1>school board races in twenty twenty three in Pennsylvania, Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>and Iowa. But even as the Biden administration kareemed towards

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<v Speaker 1>a disastrous new election in twenty twenty four one in

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<v Speaker 1>which the far right seemed to have all the momentum,

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<v Speaker 1>regular people kept rising up and organizing to protect their schools.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the first was karen's Foboda, a mother of

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<v Speaker 1>seven in Dutchess County, New York. In twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>she told NPR reporter Jim's Aaroli, I looked into the

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<v Speaker 1>local Facebook page of Moms for Liberty and just browsed

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<v Speaker 1>through some of the social media of some of these individuals,

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<v Speaker 1>and what I saw was very upsetting. As a mom

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<v Speaker 1>of kids were members of that community, it was very

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<v Speaker 1>concerning to think that these people would be trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get onto the school board, because what does that mean

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<v Speaker 1>for my kids? So she started a group of her own,

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<v Speaker 1>Defensive Democracy, which organized like minded parents in her community

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<v Speaker 1>to warn each other about Moms for Liberty. It defeated

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<v Speaker 1>an entire slate of Moms for Liberty backed candidates in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, all with the infrastructure of a Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>page and weekly zoom calls. And the really remarkable thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that even while the twenty twenty four election took

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<v Speaker 1>over the national discourse and the Democratic Party completely shat

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<v Speaker 1>the bed, people kept connecting and organizing in school districts

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<v Speaker 1>across the country to fight for their children's educations. In

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<v Speaker 1>November of twenty twenty five, the Houston suburb of Cyprus, Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>saw Democratic candidates sweep three school board seats and take

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<v Speaker 1>the majority, ending two years of Republican dominance. This trend

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<v Speaker 1>was repeated elsewhere that same month, per a political article

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<v Speaker 1>by Liz Crampton and Madison Fernandez quote in Pennsylvania, Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>slipped at least two dozen school board seats, per an

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing tally from Progressive recruitment group Pipeline Fund Under the radar.

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<v Speaker 1>Trend was enabled by voters increasing weariness with the culture

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<v Speaker 1>wars that helped the MAGA movement engineer school board takeovers

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<v Speaker 1>and generate hyper local interest in politics as the COVID

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen pandemic raged. In addition to Texas, Republicans lost seats

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<v Speaker 1>in the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio and the national battleground

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<v Speaker 1>of Pennsylvania, the result of well funded campaigns orchestrated by

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<v Speaker 1>local leaders. Now one of my favorite details from that

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<v Speaker 1>piece is a quote from one of the new school

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<v Speaker 1>board members, Leslie Gilmart, who stated folks just wanted their

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<v Speaker 1>school boards to be boring again. They wanted normalcy. Once

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<v Speaker 1>the board was taken over by a superpartisan extremist majority,

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<v Speaker 1>folks across the political spectrum were dismayed. Now, I continue

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<v Speaker 1>to be an advocate of the thought that Tim Walls

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<v Speaker 1>might have made a more effective vice presidential candidate if

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<v Speaker 1>he'd kept calling the Republicans out for being freaks because

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<v Speaker 1>they are. Their obsession with the lives and behavior of

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<v Speaker 1>their fellow citizens and their naked slavering need to control

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<v Speaker 1>their neighbors is upsetting, an unnatural. The way I see it,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in a time of incredible opportunity right now. The

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<v Speaker 1>devil has played his hand and wound up slipping on

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<v Speaker 1>a uddle of his own flop sweat along the way.

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<v Speaker 1>The momentum is with anyone but these fucks, at least

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<v Speaker 1>right now, which is why a bunch of tertiary Trump

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<v Speaker 1>supporters like Tucker Carlson have been cutting bait. Donald did

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<v Speaker 1>the thing fascists off and do. He kept reaching until

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<v Speaker 1>he reached for something that exceeded his grasp. Now. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what's going to happen next in our absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>unnecessary struggle with Iran. I think there's a non zero

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<v Speaker 1>chance Trump tries to extricate our forces, save for some

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<v Speaker 1>token ser is. Rule won't say we abandon them and

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<v Speaker 1>tries to take out the Cuban government next. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>possible who'll escalate the violence against Iran in some massive, apocalyptic,

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<v Speaker 1>hideous way. In either case, the human cost will be nightmarish,

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<v Speaker 1>but either action would just be the flailing of a

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<v Speaker 1>busted gambler putting everything he has on a fantasy that

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<v Speaker 1>Americans want to see foreign enemies broken while they can't

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<v Speaker 1>afford to fill their car at home. Every poll of

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<v Speaker 1>the American people seems to suggest that most of us

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<v Speaker 1>has a pretty low appetite for unnecessary wars. Outside of Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to find regular people who are scared of

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<v Speaker 1>the Cuban government. The idea that they represent any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of threat to folks in Michigan or Kansas is absurd

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<v Speaker 1>on its face. The further Trump reaches, the angrier people get.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascist governments rely on the complicity of the masses even

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<v Speaker 1>more than their enthusiastic support, and many Americans have proven

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<v Speaker 1>themselves unwilling to be complicit in most of what the

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<v Speaker 1>Heritage Foundation and their friends want for this country. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's a nice note to roll the ads on We're

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<v Speaker 1>Back if you want a direct example of how weak

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<v Speaker 1>the cultural conservatives are right now. Think back to the

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<v Speaker 1>stunt President Trump pulled with door dasherlier in April. He

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<v Speaker 1>ordered several bags and had them delivered by a dasher

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<v Speaker 1>who was there to get photographed praising the president's no

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<v Speaker 1>tax on tips policy. While they were standing outside the

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<v Speaker 1>Oval office, Trump asked the dasher if they thought trans

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<v Speaker 1>women should be allowed to compete in women's sports. And

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<v Speaker 1>the dasher in question was fifty eight year old Sharon Simmons,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a I mean, it's been widely reported, is

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<v Speaker 1>a Republican activist. She'd previously spoken out in favor of

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<v Speaker 1>the no tax on tips policy at the House Ways

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<v Speaker 1>and Means Committee field hearing, and even when she was

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<v Speaker 1>under the gun next to the President, Simmons wasn't willing

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<v Speaker 1>to agree with him on the weird anti trans stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>She replied, I don't really have an opinion on that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not here to call her a hero for that.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not. But it shows a crack in the rhetorical

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<v Speaker 1>wall these people have built for themselves. A Republican can't

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<v Speaker 1>just support low taxes now they have to endorse a

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<v Speaker 1>whole raft of psychotic vengeance politics and anti scientific views

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<v Speaker 1>that are deeply alienating to anyone who has a chance

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<v Speaker 1>of being called normal. Any discussion of life after Trump

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<v Speaker 1>nowadays has to include an acknowledgment of the big, lurking

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<v Speaker 1>question of our age what if he won't give up power?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a bigger question than the just Trump. A

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<v Speaker 1>large number of government officials, of elected leaders, military officers,

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<v Speaker 1>and law enforcement officers have implicated themselves in the crimes

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<v Speaker 1>and what we might call the ought to be crimes

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<v Speaker 1>of this administration. If not unreasonable to ask what if

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<v Speaker 1>they want leave power without a fight? And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a comprehensive answer for you that I feel comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>putting in the last couple of pages of a podcast script,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will point out that just in the last month,

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<v Speaker 1>as I write this, Victor Orbon and his entire political

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<v Speaker 1>movement faced sweeping defeat at the polls. Orbon had been

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<v Speaker 1>previously referred to as a quasi dictatorial figure. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of the Hungarian government, and he had led

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<v Speaker 1>a massive right wing crack down that attacked schools, that

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<v Speaker 1>attacked the LGBT movement, and that became a major funder

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<v Speaker 1>for much of our own right wing movement. It's come

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<v Speaker 1>out that the Orbon government was sending money helping to

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<v Speaker 1>fund Sea Pack, they were sending money to specific right

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<v Speaker 1>wing influencers like Rod Dreyer. And despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>Orbon was the guy that people like Tucker Carlson a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago was saying, this is the future

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<v Speaker 1>of American politics, Orbanism is what we want. Despite that fact,

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<v Speaker 1>when they lost an election, he and his cronies back

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<v Speaker 1>down without a fight. Now, ultimately they did this because

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<v Speaker 1>they still think they're bulletproof. Right. We've got enough people

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<v Speaker 1>in the government that we can stop Peter Magyar, the

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<v Speaker 1>new guy, from doing any damage to us, right, and

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 1>thus temporarily leaving power is an acceptable sacrifice because that

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:08.480
<v Speaker 1>lets us avoid a civil war, and the rest of

0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the EU won't look kindly on that. I'm sure that's

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of their thinking, and obviously the US is

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<v Speaker 1>in a very different position geopolitically. But the rapidity with

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<v Speaker 1>which some former Trump stalwarts like Marjorie Taylor Green and

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson have abandoned MAGA suggests one thing.

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:27.439
<v Speaker 1>They think it's more personally profitable for them to not

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<v Speaker 1>be seen standing next to the president or the MAGA

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:33.959
<v Speaker 1>movement right now. And here's more good news. Remember how

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<v Speaker 1>basically every social network is now owned by an openly evil,

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.119
<v Speaker 1>right wing billionaire. Well. Americans have responded to this by

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<v Speaker 1>discarding social media and ever growing numbers. This has been

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<v Speaker 1>about one of the most consequential shifts of the last

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<v Speaker 1>few years, and just this week, University of Amsterdam professor

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Tornberg published a study on shifts in US social

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<v Speaker 1>media used from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four. Quote

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<v Speaker 1>online platform reached aclinent, driven by growth in the share

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<v Speaker 1>of Americans. Actually the youngest and oldest cohorts who report

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<v Speaker 1>using no social media. Visiting and posting activity on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>slash x, and Facebook have fallen by nearly fifty percent

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<v Speaker 1>since twenty twenty, with the declient on Twitter extrivant, primarily

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>by reduced participation among democratic users. Now, this is broadly

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<v Speaker 1>speaking a good thing for the mental health of Americans

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 1>overall and for the future of our body politic but

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the Americans who remain in social media aren't all doing

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<v Speaker 1>so hot. Over the same time period, traffic on Twitter

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 1>and Facebook grew markedly more right wing, as both sites shrank.

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:35.200
<v Speaker 1>In his paper, Tornberg warns as casual users disengaged while

0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 1>polarized partisans remain vocal, online discourse becomes narrower and more

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:44.119
<v Speaker 1>ideologically extreme, or, in other words, as the algorithms that

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 1>govern what gets seen on these shrinking social media sites

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.919
<v Speaker 1>reward more extreme content. Less extreme users leave, and the

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 1>ones who succeed and become more widely shared are the

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>most extreme. It's, you know, another extremophile kind of situation.

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Part of why the people near Trump all believe they're winning,

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.399
<v Speaker 1>as they live in these same Internet fever swamps, and

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 1>they've gotten used to the Internet mattering a lot more

0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 1>than it does right now. I don't mean to suggest

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<v Speaker 1>that what happens online is an important but that importance

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>has been softened by the sheer deluge of AI, slop, spam,

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and weird right wing propaganda that we've been forcibly drowned

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>in for years. Less people are using these things than

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:23.399
<v Speaker 1>they used to, which means their reach has declined because

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 1>people find them off putting and gross. The data shows

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>that folks, particularly over sixty five and under twenty four,

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 1>are increasingly fed up with not just social media but

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.679
<v Speaker 1>the whole state of affairs we've been locked in politically.

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:39.480
<v Speaker 1>In the recent Virginia governor's race, Democrat Abigail Spanberger won

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 1>by a comfortable margin. Republicans devoted a huge amount of

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>their budget against her to anti trans attack ads, writing

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 1>high off their inaccurate belief that anti trans propaganda had

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<v Speaker 1>one trump the reelection in twenty twenty four, But only

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.720
<v Speaker 1>four percent of voters in that election listed transgender policies

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.320
<v Speaker 1>as a top issue. Now, that alone might just point

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 1>to the overwhelming impulse towards centrism shared by much of

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 1>the American middle class. People don't like to stand out,

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>particularly as a political radical. But a year after Spanberger's election,

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>a majority of Virginia voters it proved a radical redistricting measure.

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 1>This was entirely framed as a response to the Republican

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Party fighting for the right to redistrict several states in

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 1>their favor. The usual chorus of voices piped up to say, Oh,

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, guys, we shouldn't do the same thing

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.159
<v Speaker 1>they keep doing in order to defend ourselves. That doesn't

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 1>seem fair, And this time, thank goodness, most people ignored them.

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 1>The controversial measure outperformed Kamala Harris by eight points. And yes,

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>the federal judge did immediately rule the measure unconstitutional, but

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 1>you know how these things go. We're off to a

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>series of court battles now, and however those end up.

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Two useful things have been accomplished. The liberal majority of

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 1>a state has banded together to fight the Republicans on

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.160
<v Speaker 1>their own terms, and a clear message has been sent

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:55.439
<v Speaker 1>to those same people that Republicans benefit from a different

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>set of laws than democrats. Now, any anarchist or left

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>his political organizer you've ever known would have told you

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.200
<v Speaker 1>the right wing always benefits from an interpretation of the

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 1>law that she shucks seems to deny their opponents the

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>right to do the same things in self defense. It's

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>bad that things work this way, but good for rank

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and file liberals to be reminded of that reality. If

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 1>it weren't, the current gatekeepers of our news media wouldn't

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>be rallying so hard against this measure. The same day

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I wrote all of this, the Washington Post published an

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>opinion column by Theodore Johnson titled Why Virginia went back

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<v Speaker 1>on its word. It opens with a particularly idiotic paragraph,

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<v Speaker 1>partisanship did its best impression of democracy in Virginia. On Tuesday,

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>voters approved a referendum permitting the state's congressional districts to

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>be redrawn to help Democrats win four additional seats, its

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 1>retaliation to recent redistricting and by Texas to hand Republicans

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 1>five more seats. At the best of President Donald Trump,

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a red versus Blue tit for tat over who

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>can jerrymander more efficiently? A necessary evil, the parties say,

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to protect democracy. It's actually not necessarily I mean, not

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>that it's a necessary evil. The parties say. It's that

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 1>one party was already doing this for years, the Republicans.

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 1>And you didn't speak up the Washington Posts. You know,

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>this guy didn't write the same column when this shit's

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>been happening other states. He only does it when Democrats

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 1>do it in Virginia. Right, And I also might point

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>out to a majority of voters approving a measure is democracy.

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, if your only concern is the overall health

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>of democracy, redistricting that favors Democrats merely corrects a structural

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 1>imbalance in our political system that favors loosely populated rural

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 1>areas with an unfair proportion of political power and marginalizes

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the greater number of citizens who live in urban areas

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and tend to vote Democrat. Anyway, there are other good

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>reasons to see hope for a fierce swing in American politics,

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 1>not merely back to the middle, but far to the left.

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Simply as a matter of practical necessity, the Republicans have

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>spent their time in power gutting the Parks Department, the

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Post Office, the VA, the FAA, and every other useful

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 1>part of our state structure. And this is a big

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>part of what's radicalized people, because they've very quickly come

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>to notice that things are missing and shit is not

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>working right. For decades, the government has been the enemy

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 1>to millions of Americans who went out in the world

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>and relied on government services every day of their lives.

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>And yes, that's irritating and unfair, and no, we don't

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>have time to fix that up right now. What we

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 1>can do is use the fact that the Republicans broke

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>all these systems to point out to people, actually, you

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>don't hate it when the government does stuff. You just

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>hate the way Republicans run the government. And the fact

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>that the Democrats have usually been too scared to push

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 1>for policies as extreme as they need to. Right this

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>is an opportunity to convince a lot of people, oh shit,

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>paying taxes to support a vibrant civil society with extensive

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and functional infrastructure is a lot better than letting big

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>balls to lead half of civil service. Right like, that's

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 1>I think the opportunity we have right now, and pushing

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>that basic line on as many Americans as possible in

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>the next two years is I think one of the

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 1>most important things we can do at the moment. Along

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>with that, we need to keep building support for enforcement

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>of consequences against the cadra of billionaires and their lackeys

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 1>who have been robbing our shared heritage blind this whole while.

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>If I had my way about it, I'd point out

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 1>to people that there are an awful lot of billionaires

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>who we knew colluded to take over the federal government

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>put something like Elon Musk's doge in place. You can

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>just see that in some of the texts between Mark

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberget and Elon Musk. These people are enemies of the

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>state with an awful lot of money that we could

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 1>confiscate to do things like replace the books Moms for

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Liberty tore out of public libraries. Now we also need

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>to see consequences for the criminals who have weaponized the

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 1>organs of the state to fight their war against transgender Americans.

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>This is an issue you can, in fact, get centrist

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 1>voters to support. The average swing voter may not be

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>particularly woke on gender theory, but they don't like seeing

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 1>the government bully people who are just trying to get by.

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 1>The widespread suffering created by the MAGA movement also creates

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>potential for widespread solidarity between its victims. If the midterms

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 1>go badly for the GOP and the twenty twenty eight

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>elections go even worse, the USA is new elected officials

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 1>and surviving citizens will find themselves in the same situation

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 1>as the man who just unseated Victor Orbon and his supporters.

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>We all learned how temporary a victory can be after

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. I've seen more than a few comments

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>online by liberals who decided Orbon's defeat was a good

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 1>time to attack a straw man caricature of a leftist,

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and these posts were generally laughing at this idea that

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people on the left express that electoralism

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 1>can't defeat fascism. Now, I do share a frustration with

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the blanket rejection of electoral politics that some people on

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the left champion, but every online and real life lefty

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.479
<v Speaker 1>that I know was thrilled to see Orban get the boot. However,

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>they all did share a fear, and this is one

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 1>fear that I've seen in common with every analyst and

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>expert on Hungarian politics that I've read, which is winning

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the election isn't going to be enough for Magyar Orbon

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>is an extremist, someone who took power because things were

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>extremely shitty and hungary, and voters got angry enough to

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>vote for a guy who promised to burn things down.

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>They did come to regret that, but things are still

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>extremely bad and hungry. Joe Biden was a moderate who

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>tried to govern in an environment of raging extremes. His

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 1>promise was that he would bring things back to the

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 1>normal of the Obama era. He failed to do that

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 1>because it's impossible, and his failure opened up the way

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>for Trump two point zero. If we don't want to

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>repeat that cycle, the failures and ultimate collapse of the

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 1>MAGA movement have to be met with new strategies, new tactics,

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>and new politics as we seek to fill the void

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>that they're going to leave behind. I wrote and recorded

0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the first draft of this piece, as I said earlier,

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>just a few days before, a gunman stormed into the

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Correspondence dinner. His manifesto has made it clear that he

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 1>wanted to harm the president and members of his cabinet.

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Within hours, his social media accounts were archived and his

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>life was put under a microscope, as always happens with

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 1>gunmen these days. All of this revealed a liberal man,

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>one who had previously expressed very common centrist opinions, including

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 1>a dislike of firearms. I've seen this used by people

0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 1>to justify a conspiratorial narrative that immediately followed the attack.

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 1>This guy is a perfect patsy. Obviously they cooked this

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>up in a lab as an excuse to crack down

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>on democrats. I don't believe that, and here is not

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 1>a place for an argument as to why. Again. We'll

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 1>talk about that, I'm sure later this week. What is

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.320
<v Speaker 1>interesting to me is that before any of this happened,

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd been planning to revise the ending of this episode

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>by commenting on an article that came out in April

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty five. It's published by Oxios and the

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 1>title was Democrats told to get shot for the anti

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Trump resistance. Here's a quote from that article. At town

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<v Speaker 1>halls in their districts and in one on one meetings

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:35.240
<v Speaker 1>with constituents and activists, democratic members of Congress are facing

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a growing thrum of demands to break the rules, fight dirty,

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 1>and not be afraid to get hurt. One of the

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 1>lawmakers that they talked to for that article related a

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>conversation that he'd had in a meeting with a constituent. Quote.

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I actually said in a meeting when they light a fire,

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 1>my thought is grab an extinguisher. And someone at the

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 1>table said, have you tried gasoline? So many regular liberals

0:34:57.000 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>are embracing extreme rhetoric and measures today as they know

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.320
<v Speaker 1>on some level that that's the only way you survive

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 1>in an extreme environment. We see this in the thousands

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 1>of normies in Minneapolis who have been willing and eager

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 1>to confront armed federal agents in bathrobes and risk their

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.240
<v Speaker 1>own life and limb to protect their neighbors from ice.

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>And we've also seen a very dark reflection of that

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<v Speaker 1>and the actions of that gunman last weekend. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that an educated and informed thirty one year old

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<v Speaker 1>man decided to buy a firearm that he hated and

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<v Speaker 1>attack the president represents many failures. One of them is

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<v Speaker 1>a failure of the Democratic Party and the Liberal project

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<v Speaker 1>to provide him with anything that felt like a useful

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<v Speaker 1>outlet for his rage and hopelessness. When people start talking

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<v Speaker 1>and acting like this guy was acting, you can either

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<v Speaker 1>throw your hands up and back away, or you can

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<v Speaker 1>try like hell to present them with a counter offer.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, I mean a set of policies, activist campaigns,

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<v Speaker 1>and organized actions to make this country a less horrific place.

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<v Speaker 1>The victory and wild popularity of Zora Mamdani is proof

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<v Speaker 1>that you can in fact do this. Even in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, the widespread support for formerly extreme positions like

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<v Speaker 1>abolishing ice, taxing billionaires radically redistricting states, halting the construction

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<v Speaker 1>of data centers, and expanding and packing the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>are more than enough evidence to show that people will

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<v Speaker 1>get in line to back a candidate and a party

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<v Speaker 1>who promises radical change. Moreover, everything I've seen lately suggests

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<v Speaker 1>that people are starving for a movement like this, hungry

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<v Speaker 1>for their own candidate who feels like Mom Donnie, hungry

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<v Speaker 1>more than anything to feel hopeful again. When Oregon Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Ron Whiten posted see you at Nuremberg two point zero

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<v Speaker 1>after Christy Nome got fired, I watched a coalition of

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<v Speaker 1>left wing radicals and centrist Dems who never came together

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<v Speaker 1>over anything else express wild glee at the very thought

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<v Speaker 1>we can do this. We have the tools, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have the opportunity. It's going to take a big old

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<v Speaker 1>step into the unknown, but that's our only option besides

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<v Speaker 1>waiting until we get another chance to look through the

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<v Speaker 1>social media arts of a gunman. It Could Happen Here

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