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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Betting Pros. It's time to place

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Speaker 1: your bets. This me Joey p jop Zapia and this

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Speaker 1: is BP NFL Man. I've waited a long time to

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Speaker 1: say that. It's so good to be back here. As

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Speaker 1: we're kicking off our NFL shows preseason time, look at

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Speaker 1: It just feels right and we're gonna be previewing all

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Speaker 1: the divisions. We're gonna start with the AFC North Division.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna look at the team win totals, look at

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Speaker 1: the future, look at the changes, break it all down

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Speaker 1: of content because before you know it, the NFL season

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Speaker 1: will be here and we're here to make some money

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Speaker 1: on it. And gentlemen, let's start with a division that

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Speaker 1: has a lot of storylines. We have some some greatness

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Speaker 1: potentially in the Ravens, we have some revenge narrative with

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Speaker 1: the Bengals who just almost snuck in the back door

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Speaker 1: last year. And then of course we have the bottoming

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Speaker 1: out potential of the Cleveland Browns, not to mention the

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Speaker 1: side show that might be the Pittsburgh Steelers. So let's

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Speaker 1: Let's start with some of the changes in this division,

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Speaker 1: how it's going to impact some of our wagers we're

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Speaker 1: going to make. I let's start with as Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: astutely put it, the biggest changes he's the new offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers. So Andrew Rickson, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to credit you with that line because you've said it

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Speaker 1: before the show started, and it's funny because it's true.

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Speaker 1: So DK Metcalf is there, Caleb Johnson's there, Terrell Firman, junr.

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Speaker 1: The question is how many wins are going to be

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Speaker 1: there with all this changeover and Aaron Rodgers bringing his oh,

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Speaker 2: At least nine at least a winning record. That's the

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Speaker 2: very least that is going to be. I mean, is

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Speaker 2: Tom Kauf with it? Not Tom Caffe When I'm over

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Speaker 2: here in my Giants mode.

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Speaker 1: Tomlin, shake the dust off here.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm over here. I'm over here.

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Speaker 1: Reminants too much w NBA.

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Speaker 2: I was actually watching the two thousand and seven Giants

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl run DVD once again. You know I always

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Speaker 1: What were you wearing as you watched it?

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Speaker 2: As I was wearing. I was wearing a white T

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Speaker 2: living out the Dolory days, living out the glory days.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Mike Tomlin here winning record, and I mean

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Speaker 2: we talk about all the quarterbacks that he's done it with,

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Speaker 2: Duck Hodge's, Mason Rudolph, all those subpar guys. And the

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Speaker 2: thing about the Aaron Rodgers and why I love this

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Speaker 2: bet this year is because if I don't hit it

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Speaker 2: this year and it's Aaron Rodgers at the helm, I

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Speaker 2: get to have a life long amount of content that

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Speaker 2: I could say that Aaron Rodgers was the reason that

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin had his first non winning season. So for

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Speaker 2: that alone, the bet is good enough for me because

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Speaker 2: it's a win win. It's a win win at this

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Speaker 2: point bet because if I don't if I don't win,

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Speaker 2: I get to blame Aaron Rodgers because he's done it

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Speaker 2: with everybody. He's done it with absolutely no talent. And ultimately,

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Speaker 2: I think Aaron Rodgers is a psychopath, and I think

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Speaker 2: so I expect him to go out here and actually

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Speaker 2: play along with Mike Tomlin. He loves Mike C. Mike

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Speaker 2: C doesn't care for Aaron Rodgers, but he wants to

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Speaker 2: win games, and he says, oh, yeah, I can make

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Speaker 2: here to get it done. And then you look at

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Speaker 1: Well, it feels like we never left because automatically, I'm

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Speaker 2: So that's not the point I was making.

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Speaker 1: But he got with no talent. He did it.

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Speaker 2: With no talent. He had Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges

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Speaker 1: All right, all right. I do like the fact that

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Speaker 1: they're unders in a lot of games. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: for Week one. Everybody knows that I can't wait for

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Speaker 1: the Jets, Steelers game, the Fields, Rogers game. That's honestly,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, Like I just I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to watch that debaccle But in all seriousness, too, DK

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Speaker 1: Metcalf's there now ericson, You've also got a Cale Johnson

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Speaker 1: in the draft here to take over the Najie Harris

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that if they kept Mason Rudolph

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Speaker 3: he always finds a way to get eight to nine wins.

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Speaker 3: I get that the win totals were when they were created,

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Speaker 1: He said minimum, I say maximum. See, I think that's

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Speaker 3: Probably more on the maximum side of things because I

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Speaker 3: that I'm always looking at. I mean, it's he's still

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Speaker 2: Question mark on adult.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say adult might be down with the

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Speaker 1: best choice of words, but I mean, people were accurate.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the Bengals here. They brought back to Higgins,

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Speaker 1: for many years there in Cincinnati's the defensive coordinator, place

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Speaker 1: him with Al Golden and look, you know, you can

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Speaker 1: Eric didn't necessarily have the horses on the defensive side

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Speaker 1: the end of the day. But that's a good news

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Speaker 3: Al Golden is just being a terrible hand of a

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Speaker 3: And we can look at it and say, is this

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson, the guy who had all the sacks of

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Speaker 3: the Bengals last year, he may hold out. We don't

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Speaker 3: know if he's ever gonna play for the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: And then they decide, okay, well, we'll rebolster, we'll revamp

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Speaker 3: the pressure. In the NFL draft, We're gonna draft Shamar Stewart.

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Speaker 3: It's all gonna be great. Shamar Stewart is rings unsigned

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Speaker 3: this defense is still a mess, regardless of Al Golden

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Speaker 3: being an upgrade at defensive coordinator. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: Terrelle, anything here you want to add about the off

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Speaker 2: No, it's just the Bengals being the Bengals, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: fair enough. There's no reason, there's no reason to be

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Speaker 2: like this, Like, come on, guys, at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, yeah, literally, just be better, Like that's the

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Speaker 2: Like you could make the argument because of his impact

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Speaker 2: but you're trying to implement it now. And he's like, wait,

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Speaker 2: why why am I got to be the scapegoat for this?

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Speaker 2: Why do I got to be the first person? No, No, No,

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Speaker 2: they're just Bengals doing the Bengals. And you know what,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if the Bengals defense was okay,

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Speaker 2: because it's really hard to be as bad as they

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Speaker 2: for them, the fact that the defense was so bad

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Speaker 2: last year. That is really really really really really hard

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Speaker 2: to be just as bad. And honestly, I think all

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Speaker 2: of this is just a mute point because the Bengals

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Speaker 2: are not starting the season without either one or two guys,

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Speaker 2: So they're doing all of this, dragging all of this out,

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Speaker 2: don't think I think this is a non starter. I

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Speaker 2: Bengals are gonna be slightly better. But who cares?

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Speaker 1: All right, Cleveland, Joe Flacco returns, Shdors Sanders gets drafted.

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Speaker 1: Uh was not the only rookie got drafted there, but

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if we need to talk about him.

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Speaker 1: Quinn John Judkins also drafted. I don't know, Uh, Terrell,

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Speaker 1: it's gotta be tough to the Browns fan base has

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Speaker 1: been through it. They've just been through it, and I'd

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Speaker 1: love to tell them it's gonna get better this year.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if Shador Sanders plays well at some point and

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Speaker 3: I think that will be more competitive in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: you got nine and a half at minus three twenty

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Speaker 1: Really the sweet spot here is the eleven and a half.

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Speaker 1: Let's sit with that one minus one ten over or under, Terrell,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the over here on the eleven and a half,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And I mean it's gonna be a lot easier

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Speaker 2: And look exactly like who he was. But the end

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Speaker 2: I like over eleven and a half. I think that

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Speaker 3: I Am going to the under under eleven and a

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Speaker 3: And I think injuries are going to hit this team

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Speaker 3: We were talking about this with the forty nine ers

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Speaker 3: Just I'm just spitting out the facts. Just the process

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Speaker 1: All right. If you're going that route, then we'll get

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Speaker 3: in their survivor pools Bengals app rounds. Everyone's gonna be

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Speaker 3: scared to take the Bengals because everyone knows they start

432
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Speaker 3: out really bad and it's a divisional game on the road.

433
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Speaker 3: Maybe they'll still lose, but I'm a little bit more

434
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Speaker 3: confident that they will win. And just based on burrow

435
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,360
Speaker 3: sixty two percent career win rate over the last four seasons,

436
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,679
Speaker 3: again that's up to ten and a half wins. And

437
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,119
Speaker 3: talking about the projections, when I went through every game,

438
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Speaker 3: just based on the matchups, I thought the Bengals could

439
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,080
Speaker 3: win thirteen games. So I'm going to take the over

440
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:14,440
Speaker 3: over over over.

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Speaker 1: All, right, Terrell, I like the over the little bit

442
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 1: of a smaller number. I just want to again that

443
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,600
Speaker 1: defense does scare me a little bit. I think they're

444
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Speaker 1: a ten win team. Do I think they're twelve win team? Maybe?

445
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,600
Speaker 1: Because I do think they can just flat out out

446
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,959
Speaker 1: score some teams the way they're currently constructed, and if

447
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,919
Speaker 1: they don't get off to a terrible start from once,

448
00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 1: maybe that can also go that route. But where do

449
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 1: you want to land on this win total here it

450
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 1: comes to the Bengals, Trell.

451
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Speaker 2: I like the over. I do. I think that the

452
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 2: Bengals are going to be able to get this done.

453
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Speaker 2: The only real issue that I have with the Bengals

454
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,800
Speaker 2: is the defense. And it's crazy because the defense was

455
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 2: so bad that I think that they're going to be better.

456
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,800
Speaker 2: And if they're going to be better, Joe Burrow is

457
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,440
Speaker 2: probably going to go out there and try to put

458
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Speaker 2: up thirty points the game every single night. So make

459
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Speaker 2: sure that they're at least in this game. Days the

460
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Speaker 2: defense may bottom out, other days the defense might be

461
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 2: respectable and they are able to get the win. I

462
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 2: think that more often than not, they're gonna be able

463
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 2: to get the win in those situations. And I mean,

464
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 2: I already see the script for how this season's going.

465
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 2: The Bengals just have to have one really solid season

466
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,679
Speaker 2: if they so happen to win the division as well.

467
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're giving away MVPs like participation trophies apparently,

468
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 2: So it just looks like that everything is aligning for

469
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 2: this to be the Joe Burrow MVP season because they're

470
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Speaker 2: ready to just give everybody MVPs. You haven't had one

471
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 2: MVP yet, Here you go, Josh. You haven't won MVP yet, Joe.

472
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: Here you go, Joe. And so if they're gonna do that,

473
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Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure that I bet on the

474
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Speaker 2: same side as that. I think the reps are gonna

475
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Speaker 2: be in the pockets too. I like Bengals to go over.

476
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Speaker 2: And I do like the Bengals for this season because again,

477
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: they're giving away MVPs for free, so I think they're

478
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,400
Speaker 2: gonna make things happen so that Joe Burrow can get

479
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Speaker 2: his MVP. Finally.

480
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Speaker 1: Oh god, I missed this Cleveland brow In totals, there

481
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Speaker 1: we go three and a half, five and a half,

482
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Speaker 1: seven and a half that's where the board is around here.

483
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 1: This one has variance in it, Torell, so typically I'm

484
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Speaker 1: not one that loves to approach it. I think the

485
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: under on the five and a half is actually kind

486
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Speaker 1: of maybe the best position to be in. However, I

487
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: don't like the Jews at minus one fifty, so to me,

488
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: it's just to stay away. Over at plus one twenty

489
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Speaker 1: five is tempting, but I feel like it's going to

490
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sweating this out at the end of

491
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Speaker 1: the year for them to get to six wins personally,

492
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Speaker 1: so I just don't want to do it. So to me,

493
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: staying away from the Browns. Too much volatility, too many questions,

494
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: too many quarterbacks, just too much where do you go?

495
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want anything to do with them because

496
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: they're not going to play George Sanders and that's the

497
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: best quarterback on the roster right now. And I feel

498
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: fairly strongly in saying that I think Joe, not Joe Burrow,

499
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 2: Joe Flacca, all these Joe's, Joe, Joe, Joe, can you like,

500
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 2: can we work taking home talk about this? There's a

501
00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 2: lot of Joe's, Like there are you know, average Joe,

502
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: Uh the Citadel of Joe. Yeah, the Citadel of Joe's

503
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: and that's just ridiculous. Year, Like, I can't I've been

504
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: doing this too long, and I'm saying Joe Jo Jo, Jojo.

505
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 2: Either way, Joe Flacco is the one that I'm talking

506
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Speaker 2: about this time. And Joe Flacco two years ago got

507
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 2: the Browns to a playoffs. But in those two years,

508
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco has looked horrible since he did not look

509
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: good last year for the Colts. And so I don't

510
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: think Joe Flacco is himself. I think he's a show

511
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: of himself and at some point they're gonna get fed

512
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Speaker 2: up with it, and then they're gonna go through the

513
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett saga and they're gonna realize, Yeah, Knny Pickett

514
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 2: isn't this guy. They're gonna go through the Dylan Gabriel saga.

515
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, he's not this guy. Like it's so

516
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: clear that it's gonna be Shdor Sanders and that he's

517
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Speaker 2: a quarterback for the system. But they're not gonna get

518
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: there until the end of the year, and it's gonna

519
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 2: be too late for the win total at that point.

520
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: So just I'll wait, I'll wait for an end season

521
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 2: wins total. If they get some type of brains about

522
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Speaker 2: them and bring him on halfway through the year, then

523
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Speaker 2: maybe I'll be interested. But as of now, is under.

524
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Speaker 1: Over under three and a half games. Should Sanders starts

525
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: for the Browns this year, it starts ericson.

526
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Speaker 3: I'll take you over on three and a half games.

527
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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, you give the Browns so much credit.

528
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Speaker 3: They're not Why would probably get to pick who plays

529
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Speaker 3: quarterback this time? He doesn't have to play.

530
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about that, because I let that slot

531
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Speaker 2: the first time you said it. Man, I just let's

532
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: just go ahead, because if nobody has said anything about

533
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Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson not playing this year, I don't think anybody

534
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: has said anything.

535
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: He's not going to play this year.

536
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: Again, is December under Overhawn Watson three and a half

537
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: games played for the Browns. Under about gas or Sanders

538
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Speaker 2: as a starter.

539
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Speaker 1: I don't think Deshaun Watson steps foot in that locker

540
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Speaker 1: room all year. I think it's done.

541
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Speaker 2: I think if if that's true, then I would one hundred.

542
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: I would probably be on and over because then that

543
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 2: would mean Sanders would get there more. But I don't

544
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Speaker 2: trust the Browns. I think just Sean Watson is walking

545
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: through that door at some point, I really really do,

546
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be I think he's.

547
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Speaker 3: Walking, he can try to get in.

548
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't think they give a chase the Jamal Adams

549
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: remember that whe the guy kept trying to get in

550
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: the door. He's like, damn, why is I guess they

551
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: cut me? So ericson speaking of overs and under the

552
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: Browns win total, is there a happy place for you

553
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Speaker 1: with it, because there isn't one for me.

554
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Speaker 3: Well, I I like the value over five and a

555
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 3: half plus one twenty five. Stefanski doesn't get enough credit.

556
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: Look again, last year it totally bottomed out.

557
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Speaker 1: It was terrible.

558
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: But before last year he had never averaged fewer than

559
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 3: seven wins. Averaged nine wins per year before twenty twenty four.

560
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Speaker 3: And that's playing in the AFC North, one of the

561
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: most highly competitive divisions in the AFC. So I think Stefanski, yes,

562
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 3: he has four quarterbacks to work with, but I think

563
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Speaker 3: he can get a couple wins here with this guy,

564
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: a couple wins here with this guy, and I think

565
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Speaker 3: that the defense is going to be really good. They

566
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 3: got hit by a lot of injuries last year on

567
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: both sides of the football. So talking about fading the

568
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 3: Ravens because of negative injury regression, I think the Browns

569
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: will be healthier on both offense and defense. I think

570
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Speaker 3: that's gonna benefit them getting small wins. I just think

571
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 3: five and a half it's a really low number. And again,

572
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: if they do turn to Shadar at the end of

573
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 3: the year, well maybe that gives them a little bit

574
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: of a boost. Again, it seems like whenever the quarterback

575
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 3: play starts to go down, well they always have another

576
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: guy to go to be like all right, like this

577
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 3: guy's gonna lift the team this time. So I think

578
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 3: maybe they'll get enough what is it the dead cat

579
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 3: bounces from changing through all of these quarterbacks, and I

580
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: think they can work out.

581
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Speaker 2: What I will say about Sador is he gets better

582
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: with time. And so I never thought Shador's rookie year

583
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Speaker 2: would be like the big breakout year where you see

584
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: it instantly, but as like the next year, the next year,

585
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 2: as they could sinue to work with him, I think

586
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: he's going to be really good man, and I.

587
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: Think it could be a serviceable NFL uarterback at base Yeah, dude.

588
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: Like it way better than what he was drafted at.

589
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: I think that that was the statement that they that

590
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 2: they were trying to make way better than what he

591
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: was drafted at. And so my only question here is

592
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: are they gonna do it like cause you sent them.

593
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: You sent the message already with the draft position. So

594
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: are is that it? It's overwashed? We all by gods,

595
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: by guys, let's evaluate the quarterback position for the quarterback position,

596
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 2: because it shouldn't be long until we see him hit

597
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: the field if we're being honest, but if they are

598
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 2: very stuck in their head, as it seems, they don't

599
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: want to talk about Shador, he hasn't been practicing with

600
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Speaker 2: the ones any of Like you're literally you have a

601
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: Lamborghini in the garage and it's just sitting there and

602
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: you're driving this Toyota Camri around that's falling apart on

603
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 2: two legs because you're like, oh, I know, for a

604
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: fat it can get me from A to B. Yes

605
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: it can, but it's gonna take you forever to get there.

606
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: No Lamborghini, she's Alexis at best. At best, he's a Lexis.

607
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying maybe even an Audi. He is not

608
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: a Lamborghini was a Lamborghini. Well, that's fine, good quick.

609
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: My own money is sweet. I'm so waiting for myl But.

610
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, he's the best Lamborghini out there.

611
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: Well, that's different. Joe Flacco is more of a I

612
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: don't know, he's more of like whatever, some sort of

613
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: Toyota minivan I think. But the doors open with a

614
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: one click the Siena, that's what it is. It takes

615
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: all the kids to practice. Pittsburgh Steelers win total six

616
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: and a half, eight and a half, ten and a half.

617
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: That's kind of what you have on the board. This

618
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: one for me. I gotta tell you Ericson I feel

619
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: like when it comes to the Pittsburgh Steelers, I look

620
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: at the schedule, in the fact that they have to

621
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: play the Ravens twice, play the India Division twice with

622
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: the Bengals, I don't know how they're going to do

623
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: in those games, honestly. I look in the fact they

624
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: have to play the NFC North this year. Those are

625
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: some tougher teams. I think they're gonna struggle there, I

626
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: really do. I actually like the under eight and a half.

627
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: Just sitting at eight wins at minus one thirty. I

628
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: think that's the personally my comfort zone. Where's yours When

629
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: it comes to the steel.

630
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: Total, Yeah, I had them slightly leaned towards the under,

631
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: but this would probably be a shy away because it's

632
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: just gonna go down. It's gonna go down to week

633
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: to eighteen, and I just like don't feel like sweating

634
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: the season long bet for the Steelers because I think

635
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: when it's all said done, it's going to be right

636
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: around that eight to nine mark. So I think the

637
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: eight and a half line is sharp. I do think

638
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: that maybe this is a better live opportunity where their

639
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: schedule gets really like last year, we talked about it preseason.

640
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: The opening schedule they have like no divisional games, this

641
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: is gonna be a cakewalk, and it was a cakewalk,

642
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: and then they've played the second half of the season

643
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 3: and it was, oh, this is a lot harder. The

644
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Speaker 3: Steelers aren't really as good as we thought.

645
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Speaker 1: They were.

646
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Speaker 3: Similar this year after Week eleven for their six divisional

647
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: games down the stretch, they had to play both games

648
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: against the Ravens after Week eleven, whereas the start of

649
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: the season, they have a lot of more favorable matchups.

650
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: Even though they're playing games on the road. So I

651
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: think that if you're looking to buy onto this year

652
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: is you probably want to buy them early where they're

653
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Speaker 3: gonna win some games out of the gates. But I

654
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: think they're going to fade down the stretch like we

655
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Speaker 3: saw last year.

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Speaker 1: Terrell got with the Steelers win total. I can only

657
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: assume it's over twelve and a half for you or something, right.

658
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Speaker 2: I mean, I only need nine wins to get a

659
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: winning record. Here. We talk about this. We talk about

660
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: this every year. We talked about it last year, and

661
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't a lot of optimism with the Justin Fields

662
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Speaker 2: and the Russell Wilson thing, and they won ten games.

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Speaker 1: I disagree. Excuse me. I had nobody had more optimism

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Speaker 1: about Justin Fields than this guy right here, and I

665
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: was right. They were four and two and then they

666
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: made a stupid decision.

667
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Speaker 2: But I just want to six more games that they

668
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Speaker 2: needed to get over this win total. So regardless of

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Speaker 2: how you felt or in either quarterback and whether you

670
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Speaker 2: liked one didn't like the other, a lot of people

671
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: felt like that we had subpar quarterback play and they

672
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Speaker 2: still won ten games. TJ. Watt that is the person

673
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Speaker 2: that matters here. If TJ. Watt plays games for the Steelers,

674
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Speaker 2: they win games. I don't care about the quarterback position.

675
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: I've never cared about the quarterback position with the Steelers.

676
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Speaker 2: If TJ. Watt plays games for them, they win games,

677
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Speaker 2: especially as a dog. And so yeah, I think think

678
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: that this is another spot where Tomlin just gets enough

679
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: out of the offense, gets what he needs out of

680
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: the offense. They had the what the schedule releases and

681
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: who was it the Chargers that had the Steelers, and

682
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: what their game plan is every single year it's oh, rebuild,

683
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: oh go for the championship, and it all leads to

684
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Speaker 2: the same thing, a subpar winning season. And that's what

685
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: they always do when I'm getting plus money for it.

686
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: So yes, give me over eight and a half wins.

687
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Speaker 2: He get it.

688
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Speaker 1: Do one more win, one more win here or there.

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Speaker 1: You know, Mike Tomlin becomes the Jeff Fisher who was

690
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Speaker 1: always seven and nine. Remember, it's like, you know, just win,

691
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: win two more games a year. You're Mike Tomlin and

692
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Speaker 1: you're a coach forever. You lose two more games a

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Speaker 1: year than you're supposed to, you're Jeff Fisher. Out of

694
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Speaker 1: the NFL after seven and nine every year, all right,

695
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Speaker 1: division winner futures. Here we go the Ravens at minus

696
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Speaker 1: one forty to win the North in the AFC, the

697
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: Bengals plus two twenty, the Steelers plus five hundred, and

698
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Speaker 1: forget the Cleveland Browns and plus thirty two hundred. So, Terrell,

699
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Speaker 1: where do you want to go here? I think the

700
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Speaker 1: Ravens at minus one forty, you're still a pretty good

701
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Speaker 1: investment on this board. With the US, I don't think

702
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: it's too heavy for me to go through. What do

703
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Speaker 1: you think? Hmmm?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the better values in the Bengals. Wow, it's

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Speaker 2: between the Bengals and the Ravens, and I just think

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Speaker 2: that it should be a lot closer than getting you know,

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Speaker 2: plus two thirty or whatever it is with the Banks.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's close because of the defense ericson.

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Speaker 1: That's where I come. I think the Ravens defensively are

710
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Speaker 1: just superior team and they can hang with the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Offense is so like the ceiling for the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: They always have these shootouts with the Bengals every year

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Speaker 1: where these totals go to sixty seventy points. So it's

714
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Speaker 1: not like they're not going to show up offensive.

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Speaker 2: And last year they lost a lot of those shootouts,

716
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: and so regression. Yeah, and so regressions to the meetings

717
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Speaker 2: to the means, I think they're gonna win them.

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Speaker 3: Bet the Ravens is just a bet on regression. Man,

719
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: They're gonna regress. So I'm with the Bengals too. I

720
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: think that their offense is just to offense wins divisions.

721
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: They don't win championships, but they can win divisions. So

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the this is Bengals.

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Speaker 2: If the Bengals are thirteen wins and the Ravens have

724
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: twelve wins and it was just because the Bengals got

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Speaker 2: one extra win over them in the division, I wo'n't

726
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Speaker 2: be surprised. Like I wouldn't be surprised.

727
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Speaker 3: I would also say, we always just want to say

728
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: one last thing so that we won. The Ravens play

729
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: the Bills in Buffalo. Yeah, so what do you think

730
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: these lines look like? The Bengals beat up on the

731
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Speaker 3: Browns Week one, the Ravens lose to Buffalo. Who's the

732
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Speaker 3: favorite to win the division after one week?

733
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Speaker 1: Oh? I agree. I think if you want the Ravens,

734
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: you wait a week. I think that's a very astute

735
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: observation there, when you're looking at the schedule. Are we

736
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: just here? The flip side is that if they beat

737
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: the Bills, it's more like, Sayonara, it goes.

738
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Speaker 2: I was about to say, what, we're assuming that the

739
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: Bills and winning that game.

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00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's more likely. Maybe I'm not the Browns.

741
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm not assuming it, but I mean that's the that's

742
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: the gamble.

743
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: You take a gambling show.

744
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: This is a gambling show. So yeah, I think they

745
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: want to take that gamble. It's there for you. Week one. Ravens, uh,

746
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: and you're looking at them, I'm looking at them as

747
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: my favorite bet here as we get to our last

748
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: segment here, my favorite bet is to go on in

749
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: on the Ravens. I know ericson scare me a little

750
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: bit with the health, I get it, but you know what,

751
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: I just think the continuity of this team is there.

752
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: Forget the Chiefs this year, that's done. I don't think

753
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: the Chargers are quite ready yet. I think this is

754
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: the perfect time and the Bills are the Bills. The

755
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: Bills always find a way to lose the big games

756
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: because the Bills stop doing this to yourself, everybody. So

757
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: the Ravens, this is your year, this year, opportunity. The

758
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: one thing that can stop them. The phone call is

759
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: coming from inside the house and it is the Bengals

760
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: for sure, and that does scare me the most. But

761
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm gonna look at the Ravens.

762
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: To win the AFC A plus three forty and to

763
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl and win plus seven hundred,

764
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: some pretty good numbers on a team that has a

765
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: lot of good continuity, can run the football, can play defense.

766
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: I think this might be the year of the Baltimore

767
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: Ravens to get there and win the Super Bowl. All right, Ericson,

768
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: give me your favorite bet here when it comes to

769
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: the AFC North.

770
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: My best bet, I'm going to go with the CINCINNTI

771
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: Bengals over nine and a half wins. I think the

772
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: offense is just too good. You want you want my

773
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: wildcar bet too? We're doing those, yeah one at all.

774
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: Right, let's go, let's do it.

775
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 3: My wildcard bet is Joe Burrow MVP plus six point fifty.

776
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: I was on this last year and the numbers were there,

777
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: it's just the wins. The wins were not there for

778
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. But the fact that I was still able

779
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 3: to cash out of a ticket that was totally dead

780
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: just gives me a reason to believe that voters want

781
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow to win MVP at some point. And we

782
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: saw last year, we saw some of the trends break.

783
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: Mahomes had the AFC number one seed, didn't win MVP.

784
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 3: You had Josh Allen a MVP despite Lamar Jackson having

785
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: I think better counting stats overall.

786
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: So first tag, if it's.

787
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: A narrative driven award, then I think the voters might

788
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: decide after November December when Joe Burrow plays Baltimore, Buffalo, Baltimore.

789
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: The Bengals win all those games. Okay, let's make Joe

790
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: Burrow our MVP. So I think the narrative is there

791
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 3: for him to win it, and I like the odds

792
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 3: at plus six to fifty.

793
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: I believe in Joe Burrow. I believe in Joe Hendry.

794
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: Just to add another Joe into this mix for Torell

795
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: to confuse him. Terrell, give us your favorite bets and

796
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: your wild card here for the AFC.

797
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Joe Testar is gonna win MVP as well. Oh, wait,

798
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 2: I mean Joe Burrow. I think as well, it's a

799
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: lot of Joe's man. You get you get confused, and

800
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: you just be throwing Joe out come back. But yeah,

801
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: I think that last year showed me that the MVP

802
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: is a participation trophy. And so yeah, now now it's

803
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 2: it's Joe Burrow's turn to go ahead and get one.

804
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 2: So that makes me concerned about the Ravens that there

805
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: could be some debakery there and maybe this is the

806
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: Bengals year. So I'm just gonna go with the easy

807
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: bet that's on the board. I don't know why, you guys,

808
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: over eight and a half wins for the Steelers. It

809
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: cashes every single time. Every time it cashes, it does,

810
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: and it's plus money every time. Because everybody talks themselves

811
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 2: into all these different narratives of how the Steelers are

812
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: not going to have a winning record when Mike Tomlin

813
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: is just a good coach and they still have TJ. Watt.

814
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: If TJ. Watt gets hurt, then okay, I'll backtrack and

815
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: I'll be like, you know what, all right, the Steelers

816
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 2: might I got it this year, but CJ. Watt's still

817
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: playing there, and he played a lot of games last year.

818
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: Well, he's holding out tea contract, he's not actually there,

819
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: he pays.

820
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: Let's just go ahead of stamp in this. Now he's

821
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: gonna have a contract and he's gonna be playing before

822
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: the year.

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00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: What happens to the guys when they hold out? To you,

824
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna have a holdout, They miss camp, they have

825
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: the soft tissue injuries, next thing, you know, it's a

826
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: it's a toughy. I'm just saying that is a very

827
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: common has been through holdouts.

828
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: He's been through Duck Hodges. And I bring that up

829
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: because Duck Hodges was a really, really bad quarterback. Everyone's

830
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: been shree Jones. He's been through all of these situations

831
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: and he wintle comes out on the top every single time.

832
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: Winter comes for us. All, all right, it's gonna happen

833
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: to him.

834
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: I am swimming through the winner in a boatload of

835
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: cash of all the scalers wins totals from every single year.

836
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 2: So you know what, I'll be cool if it doesn't

837
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: cash one year, but still taking it plus money.

838
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: And I'm worse. And you get the narrative, Aaron Rodgers

839
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: being the one who blows it. Look I'd love to

840
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: hear from you. What do you think? What are your predictions?

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Speaker 1: Drop them below in the comments here and subscribe to

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843
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: about the AFC North and what your favorite bets are.

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00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: You think Terrell's right on the Steelers wrong on the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: goes on for the Undertaker, Andrew Erickson and big money

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