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Speaker 1: that boat is coming right at us. Good morning, degenerate Anglers,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Bend, the Fishing podcast that spent two

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe Surmelie and joining me today as my guest

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Speaker 1: too risky, you know. Wow. Anyway, please keep those voice

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Speaker 1: those people will get swagged out when they're SoundBite airs.

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Speaker 1: say vertical out there. Yeah, So the guys were behind

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00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 1: there and this dude kept rolling over on us. Now, granted,

426
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,119
Speaker 1: you do have to fish those little seams and stuff

427
00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,639
Speaker 1: a little bit, but the Strait River, like you know,

428
00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's big. And one of the guys netted

429
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,120
Speaker 1: a fish and he's got us rod and the boat

430
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,440
Speaker 1: came so close that he actually broke my guy's right.

431
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, Sonny Walls. Okay, that's

432
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 1: that's good. But this story in Smooth Moves I will

433
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 1: make you pucker. And if you're still wondering how close

434
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,919
Speaker 1: is too close for a boat to be to a

435
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 1: shore bound angler, my good friend and artist Mike Sudall

436
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 1: is about to tell you why, Oh my god. Joining

437
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 1: us for Smooth Moves today, one of my old good buddies,

438
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,120
Speaker 1: artist Mike Sudall, is here. What's going on, Mikey? Nothing much, pal,

439
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,239
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Mikey and I are doing some

440
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,440
Speaker 1: fishing together later this fall, which I'm looking forward to

441
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen you in person since last winter

442
00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,639
Speaker 1: dog fishing for b side when we let's film that.

443
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,640
Speaker 1: But those of you unfamiliar with Mike Man, Mike I've

444
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 1: been I've been making Mike draw me shit for years now.

445
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I need this. I'm gonna call Mike.

446
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 1: But Mike did draw our fish eating fish eating fish logo.

447
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 1: That's on all our fish eating fish eating fish sweatshirts

448
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 1: and T shirts and things in the meat eaters store. Um,

449
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,879
Speaker 1: but I mean, with among many other things, what are

450
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 1: you working on now? You're always your your full time

451
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 1: job is not fishiness, but you're always working on something fishy. Like,

452
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,640
Speaker 1: what are you working on? Right? I got I got

453
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 1: some sneaky, sneaky stuff coming up I can't talk about yet.

454
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: But what do you mean you can't you can't talk

455
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 1: it's fishy stuff I can't talk about, you know, TBD.

456
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 1: But on the easel right now, I got a nice

457
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: big Patagonia brown I'm painting for a for a client.

458
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's it's a it's a horse man

459
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 1: it's a big, big fish. How how is it living

460
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 1: vicariously through clients like you've never been to Patagonian caught that?

461
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: But you have to draw it for that man? You

462
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 1: know what, it's a lot of Google people really like.

463
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: People don't realize you know, it's you can just take

464
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 1: the photo and draw the fish. But you know, I

465
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: got to learn about it, so I got to look up.

466
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: You know, is that fish unique? You know what what's

467
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: going on with the anatomy? You know there's certain spots,

468
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 1: certain way you know, so it's kind of fun. It

469
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: makes you really want to get there and see it

470
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 1: in person. Well, you've definitely piqued my interest with the

471
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 1: super Secret Fish Fish project right now, but we'll talk

472
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: about that later. But we've been fishing together for a

473
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: lot of years. You've fished a lot of places, as

474
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 1: have I. But you're a Northeast guy like me, and

475
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: I remember hearing hints of the story that you're going

476
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 1: to tell today, UM, and it's a good one. And

477
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: because you draw fish, I'm calling you industry smooth moves

478
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: is usually like all industry dudes, your industry. You draw

479
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: fish for a lot of people, so you qualify Um,

480
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,679
Speaker 1: and this is one that will make your your your

481
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 1: your your butthole pucker. So take us back to that night.

482
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 1: Tell us where you were, what you were doing, and

483
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: what the hell happened you got it. So so yeah,

484
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,959
Speaker 1: this is going back a few years. We're I'm fishing

485
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: the base side of Sandy Hook. Yeah, North Jersey, North Jersey,

486
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: and I was with the guy from Brooklyn actually got

487
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: named Mike, which a lot of Mike's in Brooklyn, so

488
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: I've heard He's never never fished with me again after

489
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: this night. This is the first time we fished together.

490
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: He wanted to check out Jersey and I had I

491
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: had some fish dialed in on the backside. So there's

492
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 1: this long sand bar and uh, it's not a spot bern.

493
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean, my god, this is going back Sandy Hook

494
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: is not a spot burn like the tip of Sandy Hook.

495
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: Every surf fisherman on the East Coast knows about that.

496
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: A look at a map and you're going to you

497
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. But there's a long sandbar

498
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 1: shuts out into Sandy Hook Bay and we're out there

499
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: it's probably one a m. In the morning, and we're

500
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, these fish are holding this rip you got

501
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: to walk out pretty far to the end of this sandbar.

502
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: But there's usually some fish out there, and there's a

503
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: lot of there's you know how there is a middle

504
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: of the night, it's super calm, flat dark. You could

505
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: hear things miles away, and the occasional boat you hear,

506
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, they're going up and down the navesink. So

507
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, what what time of year is this? Because

508
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: a striper season, but what what month was it? This

509
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: was the fall? This was the fall. Okay, so still

510
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 1: a fair amount of boat traffic. I'm saying it wasn't

511
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: like late season. No, no, no, yeah, yeah, but you

512
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: know one am you don't get too many boats. Sure, yes, usually.

513
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: So we're out there for probably a good hour casting away,

514
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: not catching anything, and uh, you know, you hear a boat,

515
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: one of the few boats you here of that night, buzzing,

516
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, just kind of randomly, Mike says

517
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: to me, dude, is that is that boat coming towards us?

518
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: And I look out. You know, it's a pretty far away.

519
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: You can kind of see it's run lights. I'm like, no, no, no,

520
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna cut go up to the Navisinc. River,

521
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: probably into one of the harbors marinas, and we're casting, casting,

522
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: so again the boat just keeps getting louder and louder,

523
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: and I'm looking and then again this guy, Mike's like, dude,

524
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: I think that boat's coming towards us. I'm like, it's impossible.

525
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: There's a there's land behinds from a sandbar. But as

526
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: I'm watching the boat, it's coming closer, close, full out.

527
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: It's not going wide open, wide open. So I'd say

528
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: once it got to like within one hundred and fifty yards,

529
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: we kind of hit the O shit button, like, oh,

530
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: that boat is coming right at us. Yeah, So we

531
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: turn and started try to run up the sand bar

532
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: against the tide. Not easy, not easy, not easy. Yeah.

533
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: And the whole time we're running, I'm watching the boat

534
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: and the boat's turning towards us as we're going up

535
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: the sandbar, so it's following us full out, wide open.

536
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: So at the very last moment, the boat's probably twenty

537
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: fifteen yards from us, I just decided, well, I'm on

538
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: the outside of the bar, he's inside of me. Instead

539
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: of us falling to I'm gonna turn, I'm doubling back.

540
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: So I turned and I ran back down the bar back. Yeah. Sure, Yeah.

541
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: I figured I'll let the boat choose who's he gonna

542
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: get me or him. You know, he's got to pick

543
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: one of us. So as I turn, the boats shot

544
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: right between us, over the sand bar and right up

545
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: to the right up the beach. Yeah, it's so it's

546
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 1: let you get split us. How far apart were you

547
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: in mind? Oh? We were. I mean I when we

548
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: were running up the bar, I could hit him with

549
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: my rod. We're that close. So when I turned, it

550
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: was so the guy, I mean, I hear girls scream,

551
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: the boat hits, hits, the girl hits the sand I

552
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: hear the guy hit it in reverse and just wide

553
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: open hit it, you know. Yeah, the battle jumps off

554
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: the back of the boat with the throttle going, and

555
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: it's trying to pull the boat into the water. He's

556
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: trying to pull it backwards with the props spin across, spinning. Yeah,

557
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: and they were talking the boats on the beach, but

558
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: the props in maybe like three feet of water, right,

559
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, drop the Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So we run

560
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: over and I kind of went I kind of just

561
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: grabbed by the shoulder and pulled back. I'm like, yo, yo,

562
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose your legs, you know, like you're standing

563
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: back here by this prop. I mean you wanted to

564
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: knock the guy out. But you know what, you know, immediately,

565
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: immediately you could tell he was hammered. Yeah, and he

566
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: was a guy and two girls. They were all hammered.

567
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were hammered on. It wasn't

568
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: just alcohol. They were looped up. Could have been ziema.

569
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how long ago this was, you know,

570
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: little Joy Rancher right, so you know he's had a party.

571
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: So of course the first thing we said to Book

572
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: what the hell was that? He was like whoa? Dude? Whoa?

573
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: He kept saying, And I was like, what you you do?

574
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: Try to run us over? He said, Man, I thought

575
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: you guys were booies a booies. Did you see the

576
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: land right behind us? Like even if he thought we

577
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: were booties, you're gonna go right into the land, you know.

578
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: So did you have your head lamps on? I did not?

579
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: You know what. We took his truck and I did

580
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: not have my lamp. You know, you know what happens

581
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: when you switched cars to go on a fishing trip,

582
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a bad deal. That's always a bad deal.

583
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm gonna jumping with my boy, and then

584
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: halfway there, you're like, here's ten reasons why I shouldn't

585
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: have done Yeah, okay, but then all he saw was silhouettes.

586
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like you were both standing there with

587
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: head lamps on. No, we were yelling running. Yeah, but

588
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: we were splashing, you know, I mean, we're too everything

589
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: we can and terrified and uh and yeah man, he

590
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: uh we just left him. You know, it's funny because

591
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: I think we had cell phones, but you know, it

592
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: wasn't like you had an iPhone. I think I left

593
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: my phone in the car, So it wasn't like I

594
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna call anybody. We just were like, oh, that's

595
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: fishing Jersey for you. So what was the outcome? Man?

596
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: I mean, did you like, did the cops end up

597
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: there or what what happened to the guy? We just

598
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: left them. We left them on the beach, which is

599
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: that's very that's very Jersey that I told this guy.

600
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: This guy, Yeah, problems, his problem. It's his problem. Mike. Yeah,

601
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 1: you almost killed us. You know, we probably should have

602
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: called somebody, but you know, if you had you if

603
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: you had your iPhone back there, I just picked them

604
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: out of your pocket and called. But you know, it's

605
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: a long by time you you walk the however long

606
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: it took to get back to the truck and get

607
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: your stuff off, You're like, you just kind of think

608
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 1: about how crazy it was. But then, well, yeah, back then,

609
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: if you were to carry your cell phone, it would

610
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: have been like an extra five pounds in yourself back

611
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: like the Nokia brick days. Yeah, you would sneeze and

612
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: it would get water logged. You know. Well, I would

613
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: bet that one might have made at least a small

614
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: blurb in the paper the next morning, because there was

615
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: a strong chance he was still there when the sun

616
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: came up. Yeah, seriously, I stu went back for the

617
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: next time. I've never had anything that close call before,

618
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: although I have had boats coming dead at me while

619
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: I was on a jetty, you know what I'm saying,

620
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: Shark River jetty and things like that, and you're like,

621
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: your gut is always like, no, he's not he's gonna turn,

622
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: it's not gonna this is not gonna happen, and then

623
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: Jess wham bow right up on the rocks. But I

624
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: was never in a position where I was like, he

625
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: might run me over. So yeah, that one's pretty pucker worthy.

626
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: If I didn't turn around the last second, man he

627
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: would have he would have definitely hit one of us,

628
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: that's for sure, not both of us, you know, Joe.

629
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: There are so many things wrong with that dual. Oh yeah,

630
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: oh yeah. I mean it's kind of like one of

631
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: those things like I didn't know what the officer was

632
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: going to give me a ticket for, but I knew

633
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: I was gonna get one. Drinking it just causes a

634
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: lot of bad things, Like I like to have a

635
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: good time, right, but I don't do it. I don't

636
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: drink in the boat like that's a bad deal. They

637
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: are probably out in the sun too much and it

638
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: hits you hard. They're like, oh, just it's one beer

639
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: and then wink, wink, sprinkle sprinkle. I'll tell you man.

640
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: You know, they say drinking and fishing go hand in hand,

641
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: like it's kind of like the old thing like go,

642
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, drinking with a beer. I don't know if

643
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: I've ever said this on this show before, and maybe

644
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: some people will will, I don't know, think less of me,

645
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: Like drinking and fishing never go hand in hand for me,

646
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: Like when I'm out fishing, I'm there to fish. If

647
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: I want to get if I want to get drunk,

648
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: I'll stay home on the porch with a cooler and

649
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: get drunk, like maybe a cold beer on the way

650
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: in from a long ride off shore. But otherwise, like

651
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: that's just not It just never goes hand in hand

652
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: boating or fishing and drinking. It's a bad deal. I've

653
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: seen an awful lot of guy trips ruined because the

654
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: guys went out the night before and of the night after.

655
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, we are going to be out here

656
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: until midnight. Like, yeah, you can go to the bar later,

657
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Anyway that story made you at all nervous.

658
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: Remember you weren't nearly as nervous as Hayden Sammick is

659
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: right now because he's about to square off with me

660
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: in Fish News Fish. That escalated quickly. A couple things

661
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: before we get started, I got to give a shout

662
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: out to listener Kyle Purnell, who won the complete set

663
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: of Bent theme dubbing we were giving away. I had

664
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: asked you guys to show us something homemade on Instagram

665
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: using those Bent podcast and degenerate angler hashtags, and we

666
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: had a strong showing of all kinds of homemade stuff.

667
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: We had a NASCAR theme Lore I think, or maybe

668
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: it was like a Days of Thunder theme. Lore. I

669
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: don't really remember you a day as a thunder fan.

670
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, Joe. Your homework for

671
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: this weekend is to watch Days of Thunder and report back. Anyway,

672
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: we had some broad holders, some spearing decoys, and a

673
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: lot of flies. But Kyle repurposed tiny foam carrots from

674
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: his kid's craft supply and use them as foam bodies

675
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: for sort of like mister Wiggley style flies. And the

676
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: dad and me love that, as did the fly tire

677
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: because they were just too perfect, right. I don't know

678
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: if you saw those. I assume you did. That they

679
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: were the perfect size and perfect shape, and they came

680
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: in a ton of different colors, and you know, his

681
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: son had already stuck like the foam dinosaurs and sharks

682
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: and shit all over. But the kid doesn't want the carrots.

683
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't want the carrots, so that was a win,

684
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: Like what a frugal thing to do, you know. You

685
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: know I saw those and I was like they should

686
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: sell those at fly shops. If you package that carrot

687
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: up and it was like by hairline dubbing in a

688
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: fly shop, you could that people would pay eight bucks

689
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: a pack for him. Yeah, for sure they It looked great,

690
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: It looked like that was the intended purpose of that.

691
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, a lot of my buddies are having

692
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: kids and never have time to fish anymore. But I

693
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: guess every now and then a kid is actually beneficial

694
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: to your fishing. Rarely. But but I mean the other day,

695
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: the other day, you were talking about how dragon tails

696
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: were kind of born out of a shitty toy. That's true,

697
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: dragon tails orvis dragon tails. Yeah, they were a crappy

698
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: toy called a squirrel that like you'd throw in a

699
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, a gift bag at a little kitty birthday

700
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: party at the bowling Alley. Terrible toy. But Dave Mangum,

701
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, figured out that they made great tarp and flies.

702
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, for sure. But I also I have to

703
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: give one more shout out to listen to Tim Rogers.

704
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: He sent us pictures of his little girl. And what

705
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: Tim does is he'll tie a klouser if you can

706
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: picture this and other streamers on on bobby pins instead

707
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: of hooks. He'll put a bobbypin right in the vice

708
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: so that she can wear them in her hair. But

709
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: if you don't know that that's what Tim has done,

710
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: it just looks like someone's false cast went way wrong.

711
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: And this poor little child has a clouser just planted

712
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: like in her tiny skull, and it's it's it's hysterical.

713
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: But I also I love the idea so much. I'm

714
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: doing this with my daughter like she is about some

715
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: fly tying and we'll eat this up. And we actually

716
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: debated hard between photo and Kyle's and decided that while cute,

717
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: the hairclips just aren't technically helping you catch fish, you

718
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I did send Tim some

719
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: stickers for the honorable mention. Well that is some hardcore

720
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: girl dad shit. I love that man. Stuff like that

721
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: just makes me happy. It's not about that. I just

722
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: love Yeah, you might. I posted the pictures this week

723
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: on Instagram. It's super cute, super funny. But anyway, last thing,

724
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: We'll try and do this quickly before we get in

725
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: the news. But I feel like we have to a

726
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: lot of you guys reached out regarding the trot Line

727
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: story from last week. But if there was a theme

728
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: to a lot of those messages, it was this the

729
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: part of the Nola Chucky River in Tennessee in question

730
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: where the trot liners were set up. You guys are

731
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: telling me it is far better known for its whitewater rafting,

732
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: smallmouth fishing, and muskie fishing. Like it's shallow, fast water,

733
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: And multiple people told me, it's like it's kind of

734
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: shitty for catfish, you know what I mean. Like everyone

735
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: I heard from was pretty much on the side of

736
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: the kayakers for cutting the line. And while the trot

737
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: line dude still weren't doing anything wrong or illegal, It's

738
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: not like they couldn't do this in that place. Everybody

739
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: seems to agree it was pretty poor form where they

740
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: set up where they did it, And people are like,

741
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know, are there even catfish in that

742
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: part of the river or are there enough to even

743
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: load up a trot line? So slightly shady, But that

744
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: was that was sort of the feedback I got. You know, yeah, man,

745
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: it kind of seems more and more like this trot

746
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: line might have been set up to like prove a

747
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: point or something. Yeah, I don't know, I'm kind of

748
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: over the story. But I hope folks, I hope folks

749
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: just like look at this as a model of what

750
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: not to do, to like stand up for your fishing rights. Sure,

751
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: so we're all out here and at the end of

752
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: the day, we're recreating too, right, So we're all out here.

753
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: And the more as fishermen do to respect the folks

754
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: using the river for their own forms of recreation, you know,

755
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: the more likely we are to get that same respect back,

756
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: you know. And that's important. Unless they're tubing with Bluetooth speakers.

757
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: I hate that you slash those tubes. Dude. You don't

758
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: have many free bluetooth waterproof speakers. I've gotten from companies

759
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: over the years, and I just like thanks and like

760
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: send it to goodwill. I don't use them for anything ever,

761
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: I just I never use them anyway. Let's move along.

762
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: We're getting long winded here. Remember this is a competition, Hayden,

763
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: and I do not know which juicy news story the

764
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: other guy has grabbed, though, I must say now that

765
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: we're only hitting two stories, the game of chess has

766
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: gotten a little tougher, and who leads off matters because

767
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: if you're not leading, which I'm not, This week, you

768
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: have to pick your story based on the one you

769
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: do not think the other guy is gonna grab, especially

770
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: on a week like this with several dandies to choose from.

771
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: But as always, our beloved audio engineer Phil will examine

772
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: both of our dandies and declare a news winner floor

773
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: dandies Man, oh Man, what she got? So the dandy

774
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: that I will be offering up for Phil's examination is

775
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: since weekend fish News, Kansas has a new state record

776
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: alligator guard. I guess Danny Lee Butch Smith the second

777
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: He was fishing for catfish on the Neosho River when

778
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: he caught something very unexpected, so unexpected in fact, that

779
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: he couldn't immediately identify what he had in the bottom

780
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: of his boat. So to that end, Butch gets to

781
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: posting his catch on a Facebook catfishing group called Whisker Seekers,

782
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: which might be my favorite detail of this whole story.

783
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: But while while the consensus what, it just makes me

784
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: happy to know that there is a Facebook group about

785
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: there called Whisker Seekers revolving around catfish. Yeah. I also

786
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: think Danny Lee Butch Smith was the guitarist in the

787
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Marshall Tucker Band for a time like seventy six, seventy seven,

788
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: but I could be wrong just for the tour. Well.

789
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: While the consensus was that Butch had obviously landed some

790
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: sort of guard, the exact species was the subject of

791
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: a spirited debate. So Old Butch takes it to the

792
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks and the biologists are

793
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: pretty much stunned. It appeared to be an alligator guard. Ye.

794
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: The fish came in at about four and a half

795
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: foot long and forty ish pounds, And as far as

796
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: alligator guard go, this one wasn't huge. They by Texas standards.

797
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: That's that's like you're not even on the board. Yeah,

798
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: that's still a big fish. Yes, I mean they can

799
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: get to over eight foot long and weigh like a

800
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: couple hundred pounds. But it was huge for Kansas. In fact,

801
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: any alligator are is huge for Kansas because alligator gar

802
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: aren't supposed to live in Kansas at all. Right, According

803
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: to a press release from the Kansas Department of Wildlife

804
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: and Parks, there has never been another report of an

805
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: alligator gar being caught in Kansas history. So yeah, seeing

806
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: an alligator gar in Kansas is about as surprising as

807
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: seeing an actual alligator. Yeah, And I gotta tell you, so,

808
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: I looked at this one and I was worried you

809
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: were going to grab it, and I was right there.

810
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean, their range used to be so much broader

811
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: than where they are now that initially I just assumed

812
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: that they had been in Kansas and just hadn't seen

813
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: one there in a very long time. Yeah, I learned

814
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: something I did not realize. They were never native to Kansas.

815
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: Didn't know that never native to Kansas. So this all

816
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: begs the question how did the guard get into the

817
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: Neosho River in the first place. One theory is that

818
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: it was part of some sort of formal reintroduction effort,

819
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: as a lot of these like kind of like historic

820
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: fish tend to be right like allegator guard. Yeah, you know,

821
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: you hear a lot of people reference them as living

822
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: fossils right over one hundred million years old and native

823
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: to all sorts of waterways. It's just really an interesting

824
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: fish and worth reintroducing to their native range. But upon

825
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: further inspection, Butcher's gar wasn't tagged. There weren't any identifying

826
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: markers that you would expect to find should it have

827
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: been part of a formal reintroduction effort. So yeah, so

828
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: that eliminated that theory. Another theory was that this was

829
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: either like a case of bucket biology or someone dumping

830
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: a dumping a pet. Yeah. Yeah, So when the local

831
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: Fox news station wrote this up, they got a hold

832
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: of the KDWP Fisheries Division director Doug Nigrant. Nigrant, does

833
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: that look right to you, slippy slappy Samsonite two in

834
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: a row nice, who said, it's not unlike that this

835
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: fish was once somebody's pet or purchased from a pet

836
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: store and simply released into the river once it became

837
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: too large. Now, I'm not sure how much I believe that, Yeah,

838
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: just for the simple fact that I have no idea

839
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: where the hell, you know, what the hell kind of

840
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: pet shop sells an alligator gar Yeah, and I mean

841
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. Like I'm not the expert on

842
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: that either. I've seen a lot of gar in tanks

843
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 1: in a lot of places. Chinese restaurant down the street

844
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: has gar in tanks. Kids love it, but they're certainly

845
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: not gator gar So yeah, i'd say the same thing.

846
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that doesn't happen, but I've surely

847
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: never seen it. I've never known them as being part

848
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: of the aquarium trade. It's always much smaller gar species. Yeah,

849
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, then again, I do remember

850
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: a pet shop back home in Pennsylvania that used to

851
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: sell like actual alligators when I was a kid. So yeah,

852
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: I guess anything's possible. Yeah. Now, yeah, now that you

853
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: mentioned it, there was one in Jenkintown, PA. Like you

854
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: get any kind of turtle you wanted, even though you

855
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to have any time. They were just there.

856
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: What do you want? You get him in a little

857
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: Chinese food to go container. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, not

858
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: outside the realm of possibility, but I agree, it's not

859
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: a common aquarium fish. Yeah. Now the last kind of theory,

860
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, they're not excluding the idea that the gars

861
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: somehow naturally found its way into the Neo show. It

862
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't be that far fetched, being that there are some

863
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: alligator gar in like neighboring states like Illinois, except for

864
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: the fact that this guar would have had to overcome

865
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: a series of like dams that would make a steelhead

866
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: blush and yeah, and other obstacles to get to where

867
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: this fish was eventually caught by That's what I was

868
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: wondering too. Like, I don't really know anything about the

869
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: Neo show. I didn't really look that deep into it,

870
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: but that's the first thing that came to my mind,

871
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: is does it connect? Is there a way? Does it

872
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: ultimately connect somewhere, you know, to to known gar water? Yeah,

873
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean gar tend to thrive in like fairly oxygen

874
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: like poor environment. It's like that doesn't really bother him, right, right, So,

875
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: like it wouldn't have surprised me if like, you know,

876
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: perhaps there had been like a neighboring like system that

877
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: might have had some gar and with like some flooding

878
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: it came over on like a floodplane or something like that,

879
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: or or you know, it seemed like perhaps there was

880
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: like a way. But looking into it, it just does

881
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: not seem as if that's like really a plausible idea.

882
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: They're kind of just not ruling it out until, like,

883
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, they do the research on it. Yeah, and

884
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: especially if all those dams didn't have fish ladders, which

885
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: like it's questionable how well they work anyway, right, But

886
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: if they don't all have one, then I don't know,

887
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: but it's it's fascinating. Nonetheless, right. So the way that

888
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: they you know, now it kind of comes to the

889
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: question of how they're going to identify, you know, the

890
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: origins this fish. So I'm going to read a little

891
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: bit from the press release here, just because they summed

892
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: it up more succinctly than I dam or about it.

893
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: But to quote the press release, they said that because

894
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: most populations of this species can be distinguished from one

895
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: another with a sample of the fish's fins, another option

896
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: we are there considering is genetic identification, said KDWP Assistant

897
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: Director of Fisheries Research Jeff Koch. This will tell us

898
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: if the fish came from an existing population in another state.

899
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: If genetic testing doesn't pan out, not all hope is lost.

900
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: KDWP fisheries biologists would still have one more option. Microchemistry

901
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: is another technique at our disposal. Cotch added. Microchemistry is

902
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: performed by measuring the elemental proportion of a bone on

903
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: a given fish and comparing it to the elemental concentration

904
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: of surrounding water. If consistencies exist, the data may be

905
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: able to help fisheries biologists determine at least how long

906
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: the fish had been in the Neosho River. So that's

907
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: from their press release. For my money, I'm going to

908
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 1: get to the guard was caught like somewhere else, like relatively,

909
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, proximital to the Neo Show, and got dumped

910
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: in the river once some dude and his buddies were

911
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: done messing around with it. You know. Those Like I

912
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: said earlier, those fish are real tough, and it wouldn't

913
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: surprise me at all to find out one survived ride

914
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: in a pickup bed and made a home wherever it

915
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: got dumped. Sure, I mean, that's that's very plausible, Like

916
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: you said, I mean, I've I've caught them down in Texas,

917
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: some giants, and um, short of putting an arrow through

918
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: them or a spear or something, right, they're like almost

919
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: impossible to kill. Like they can they can breathe out

920
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: of water for a time. I think as long as

921
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: they're kept wet, they can live in in very little water.

922
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: And the GUIDs I used to fish with down they

923
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, it wasn't uncommon because people would

924
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: limb line for catfish and in invertently catch them. He's like,

925
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: we'd catch them when you could tell their head was

926
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: like beaten in with a bat and like somebody took

927
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: some chops at their head with an a and they

928
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: were doing Jess fine. So one of the toughest fish

929
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: on the planet. Yeah, those are awfully hardy fish anyway.

930
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: So what became of the alligator gar well apart, I

931
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: do like this. Well, if you've seen the pictures, it's

932
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: obvious it was not released. Biologists took out the odolith

933
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,479
Speaker 1: frid and Butch was allowed to keep the carcass, which

934
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: it sounds like he plans to have beetle cleaned and

935
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: put in a display case. Hmmm. So I watched the

936
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: news clip, like the news report, I love Butch. I

937
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: kind of want I want to hang out with Butch, Like,

938
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: but Butch is like super backwoods like he he spent

939
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 1: most of the interview shirtless, which is fine, but it's like, dude,

940
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: you're on the news right now. But he just did

941
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: not care. And they kept panning as he's talking about

942
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: the guar had they kept his panning to it like

943
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: zooming in for a tight shot and did it just

944
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: covered in flies? And it's just like, yeah, it's got

945
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: a pretty cool skull. I'm gonna do and I'm just

946
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: like rotting away that flies. It's just consuming the eyeballs

947
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: of the fish. It's it's obvious that it had been

948
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: sitting on the dock for a little bit. And uh yeah,

949
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if that ends up getting traditionally

950
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: beetle cleaned. I think it might just uh I think

951
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: the birds. Yeah, yeah, either way, either way, I would

952
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: love to think that this story uh sort of pointed

953
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: to maybe some some expansion of of gator gar range.

954
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: But my money is that that science is gonna gonna

955
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: link it to a relatively close population. I think it's

956
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: a total fluke, like you said, somehow, some way, we

957
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: may never know, but it ended up there completely by

958
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: accident um. Because you gotta remember too, man, these things

959
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: goulp air right like it's just a natural function. So

960
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: if if Butch is fish in this water all the

961
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: time for many many years, which it says he had,

962
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: if there's more gar in there, they're gonna give themselves

963
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: away at a certain point, so one can hide. But

964
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: if there's a bunch of gar in this piece of river, somebody,

965
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: even if it wasn't him, at some point would have

966
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: been like, what the hell was that? Or what is

967
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: over there breathing? Or what just boiled away from a distance.

968
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: It made this huge push of water. So I'm guessing

969
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: it's a one off, but we shall see. Yeah, I

970
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: would think so, you know, I think if there's one

971
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: thing I do know is that we ought to have

972
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: butch on for a smooth move sometime. I think so.

973
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: I think he's probably got a smooth moves about trying

974
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: to clean that gar's skull, you know what I mean,

975
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: probably ruined a perfectly good Dutch oven or something in

976
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: the backfire, trying to boil all the skin off or something.

977
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: Who knows. That's one rare fish. We know it's fate.

978
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to move into another rare fish with a

979
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: different fate, yet still mildly grizzly to a degree. Several

980
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: people sent this story along, as I knew they would

981
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: as soon as I heard it on talk radio during

982
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: a recent early morning drive. And way back, it's going

983
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 1: back months we covered a story on fish News about

984
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 1: a woman making soup out of her pet. KOI fish right,

985
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: this kicks the eating your pet story up a notch Okay,

986
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: So this one, it's all over the place, stories all

987
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: over But I'm gonna pull from Newsweek here, and there's

988
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: all centers around. A viral TikTok video. And I'm gonna

989
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: mess this up. This is gonna be my slippy, slappy Samsonite,

990
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: a viral TikTok video posted by at Miya Corneawan. Yeah,

991
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: Cory awe oh one, okay, I'm never gonna I'm not

992
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: gonna say it again for the rest of the time.

993
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: So that was the one off, okay, And in it

994
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: in this video we see her scaling, cleaning, and deep

995
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: frying an arijuana. Now, if you're not familiar with these fish,

996
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: they look sort of like a tarpin with big round

997
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: silver dollar scales. They gotta big old mouth that can

998
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: suck in a lot of air and water, but the

999
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: tail tapers almost to a point, real small tail. Most

1000
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: commonly you'll see pictures of arijuana from South America. In fact,

1001
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: I've caught them down there, not any particularly large ones,

1002
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: but I've caught a few down there. And they also

1003
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: inhabit certain waterways in South Florida, which, as we all know,

1004
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: are just dumping grounds for exotic non native species. Does

1005
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: away in South Florida not much anymore, And if you

1006
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: can dream it, you can find it down there. If

1007
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: you fish long enough some of you. I'm sure I've

1008
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: also seen them in aquariums, perhaps in the token Amazon

1009
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: rainforest exhibit there the staple there, and in pet stores right, So,

1010
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: unlike those gator guar, very common to see ariwuana in

1011
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: pet stores. The little ones are our tank favorites. Now.

1012
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: The arihuana in question, though, is not the common South

1013
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: American variety, but the rare Asian arijuana. And according to Newsweek,

1014
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: they are the most expensive aquarium fish on the planet. Now,

1015
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: I have not researched that in full. I guess I'll

1016
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: take their word for it. Would I would would have

1017
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: thought that there are rare saltwater species that would fetch

1018
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: higher prices, but I guess not. Newsweek says that these

1019
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: ariwuana cost hundreds to tens of thousands of dollars, and

1020
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: it's rumored that one was once sold to a high

1021
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: ranking Chinese Communist Party official for three hundred thousand dollars. Yeah,

1022
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's like, you know, three three hundred large,

1023
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: three hundred k. That's a lot for any fish. But

1024
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: here's the crazy thing. It's not like some fish trapper

1025
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: or whatever has to like hang glide into a remote

1026
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: canyon surrounded by like lava flows to procure them. They

1027
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: farm the damn things, right, they farm these ariwuana. Furthermore,

1028
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: it says that these farms quote are like high security

1029
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: prisons with concrete walls protected by guard dogs, watch towers

1030
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: and barbed wire. All right, but wait, because shit gets nuttier,

1031
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: it gets nuttier still. According to the story, buyers can

1032
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: then spend extra money to have cosmetic surgery done on

1033
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: their fish, including chin lifts and eye lifts, to enhance

1034
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: their beauty. I'm a speechless show. So yeah, so so,

1035
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean, in these things, they look just like a

1036
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: regular arijuana, except that their scales they have like this

1037
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: really brilliant kind of burnt look like bright burnt orange.

1038
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: So they're very they're very pretty fish. Yeah. I had

1039
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: actually debated picking this story up for my fish News segment,

1040
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: and so I did some research into these fish, and

1041
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: I was reading about how there are like base colored ones, right,

1042
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: there's you know, you have the red, the silver, and

1043
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: then you could have like designer colors like fire lily

1044
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: purple or or you know, oh I didn't know that. Yeah,

1045
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: they're all orange. No, no, it's like there are not

1046
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: only like your standard red, orange, yellow, silver. There are

1047
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: like nuanced colors that these collectors like really go after,

1048
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: and those are like the ones that catch these like

1049
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: command these super high prices like Chairman's three hundred thousand.

1050
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: So it's like, do you want the Toyota Corolla with

1051
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: the roll up windows and white or yeah, exact, Yeah,

1052
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: that makes that makes total sense. That makes total sense.

1053
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: I still think it's ridiculous, but um, yeah, so there

1054
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: you go, designer with chin lifts. Um. Anyway, these Asian

1055
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: arijuana are so popular because they are believed to bring

1056
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: their owner's prosperity and good fortune. So was this TikTok

1057
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: users pet arijuana like a dud a lemon. Perhaps that

1058
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: she bought it like you know Pete's discount secondhand arijuanas

1059
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: or us that brought zero prosperity. Is that why it

1060
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 1: took its final swimming peanut oil? No, her husband refused

1061
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: to clean the tank. The tank in the home looked

1062
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: like shit, so she was like, okay, watch what happens now,

1063
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: and she cooked the dudes fish right. So that's that's

1064
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: how the story is circulating that this was like straight revenge,

1065
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: and it's much funnier that way. It's much funnier to

1066
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you're not going to clean the tank,

1067
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna cook that some bitch. But okay, if

1068
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: you read the fine print, which nobody really is on

1069
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: this story, because this was not in the in the

1070
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: radio news report, I heard nothing. It's like they just

1071
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: like slip this in there, hoping you won't notice. But

1072
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: what she said is she actually did clean the tank

1073
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: because she just couldn't take it anymore. She was tired

1074
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: of asking and just took matters into her own hands.

1075
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 1: But the fish got sick afterwards and died. And she said, quote,

1076
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: I thought it would be delicious. And I say I

1077
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: believe that story because if you let a fish tank

1078
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: just sort of rot away right for too long, the

1079
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: fish can sometimes like adapt to the terrible pH level

1080
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And if you just drastically go from borderline

1081
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: toxic to uber clean in a matter of twenty minutes,

1082
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: you can easily kill your fish. That way, you can

1083
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: make it too clean, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

1084
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: you boy, you believe that. I do not believe that story.

1085
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: You think it was straight vengeance? Yeah, dude, yeah, man,

1086
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: who I'll tell you what. I've had a fish tank

1087
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: as a kid and I've seen my fair share of

1088
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: you know, dead fish cling into the filter. And I'll

1089
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: tell you what, man, I don't think anybody's gonna eat

1090
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: that fish. You would have to be a pretty bold

1091
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: person to see a dead fish floating in a fish

1092
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: tank and decide to repurpose it in such a way

1093
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: as this. Well, and that's and that's very fair. And

1094
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: this could this could ultimately be a lie, like she

1095
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: could be saying that to try and make herself not

1096
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: look quite so vicious. I'll give you that, but I mean,

1097
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: let's I don't know. Let's just say you had a

1098
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: walleye in the tank, it was your pet walleye. I

1099
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: think there's a difference between the fish dying and going

1100
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: belly up and like looking all white and like starting

1101
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: to fall apart in there as you're describing. I think

1102
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: you'd be nuts to eat that. But if you put

1103
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: it back in the tank and twenty minutes later it

1104
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: was just like clearly dead but fresh, would you eat it? Then? No? No.

1105
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: And here's here's how I know I wouldn't. I have

1106
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: been like fishing on lakes and had an almost dead walleye,

1107
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, spotted, you know, you kind of see something,

1108
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, is that a duck? What is that?

1109
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: You see it? Thrashed, kicking around? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. You

1110
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: go over to it and it was like a nice, perfect,

1111
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: eater size walleye. And I'm I wanted to turn my

1112
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: nose in an eat your size walleye. Sure, but if

1113
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: I was not directly responsible for that thing going from

1114
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: you know here to beyond the mortal coil, I'm not

1115
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: going to eat that fish. So again, I think she's lying.

1116
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: That's fair, and that's a great debate point. Listeners, right in,

1117
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: if you found that walleye, we've all seen that where

1118
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: you just see a fish like kicking around, struggling for

1119
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: life on the surface. Right, do you take it or

1120
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: do you let it go? I tend to be on

1121
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: your side in a lake. I will pick up a

1122
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 1: deer that I saw get hit by a car. Really

1123
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: so well, okay, you saw how it died. Fair enough. Anyway,

1124
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: the fried arijuana to me looked much tastier than the

1125
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: Koi soup. And I had fish tanks for years too, Right,

1126
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: And here's a tip if you're considering one, put it

1127
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: in a high traffic area, or don't get one, because

1128
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: I've found that if you squirrel a tank away, like

1129
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: in your finished basement or the spare bedroom or whatever,

1130
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: stronger chance it's going to go to hell. Like my

1131
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: kids are begging for a new tank now, and I

1132
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: would love to provide that, but we just don't have

1133
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: a you know, room in an area of the home

1134
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: that's high enough traffic that I will keep up with

1135
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 1: a solid cleaning regiment. It has to be someplace where

1136
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: it will bother you and be an eyesore if it

1137
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: turns to shit, you know, or it turns into algae

1138
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: soup or else you just it's it's very easy to

1139
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: just like, I'll do it a couple days from now,

1140
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: I'll do it next week. So part of me doesn't

1141
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: blame this woman, because there's nothing worse than staring at

1142
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: sixty gallons of brown algae and a clog filter, like

1143
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, while you're trying to watch below deck Mediterranean.

1144
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: Still it's still harsh, though I know we're almost out

1145
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: of time, But there is one thing worse than a

1146
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: than a fish tank going to ship with algae, and

1147
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: that's a fish tank that actively tries to kill you

1148
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: and your entire family. Do you got time for a story?

1149
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: Real quick, Joe. Yes, you can't say that and not

1150
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: tell us what's up. When I was a kid, my

1151
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: brother got to look in at the Sharper Image catalog

1152
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:07,959
Speaker 1: and that's funny. And in this Sharper Image catalog there

1153
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: was this globular fish tank and it was it was

1154
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: like this huge It was pretty cool. It was like

1155
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: this huge orb that was on a pedestal and you know,

1156
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: any kid want this, so my parent vaguely remember it.

1157
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: It was right next to like the massage chair and

1158
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: like the slippers, as is everything Sharper Image catalog. So anyway,

1159
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: my parents broke down one Christmas and got him this

1160
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: fish tank, and all was well and good. It stayed

1161
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: in his bedroom, right by his window, and you know,

1162
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: we'd go in there, we'd play with the fish. It

1163
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: was a cool fish tank. And one day I come

1164
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: home from school and I'm sitting there with my mother

1165
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: and there's, like, all of a sudden, we kind of

1166
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: smell something burning, and we start running around the house

1167
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what the hell is going on,

1168
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: and the top floor of our house is just all

1169
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: full of smoke. Oh God. And I opened the door

1170
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: to my little brother's room and his bed is on fire.

1171
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: What had happened? Yeah, yeah, what had happened was as

1172
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 1: the sun started to move differently in the sky as

1173
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: the season progressed, it came through the window and just

1174
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: one day, after months of this fish tank being there,

1175
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: it had just reached the tipping point where it had

1176
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: been going through that tank in such a concentrated way

1177
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: for such an amount of time. Whoa that it had

1178
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: focused a beam onto his mattress and lit his bed

1179
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: on fire. That's frightening. Yeah, that is not what I

1180
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: expected you. I was waiting for like a short in

1181
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: the filter or something. That's frightening, dude. No, and I'm

1182
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: pretty sure that's why you don't see those fish tanks anymore.

1183
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: Because the Salmac family sued the shit out of the

1184
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: Sharper Image. No, we didn't hut. The fire department came

1185
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: and they marched right up to my little brother's room,

1186
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: took the fish tank and dumped it on the fire

1187
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: and left. They didn't even use water from their own tank.

1188
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: They just dumped your fish out on the blaze. Oh

1189
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: my god, that is terrific. Oh man, that was really good.

1190
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: That was very surprising. I love that. But anyway, Phil.

1191
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: We haven't move on to Phil here. Phil's got to

1192
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: focus his beams on one of these two stories and

1193
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: decide who is going to take it. This week. When

1194
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: we are done, we're gonna hear another story of a

1195
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: different fish that brings good luck and prosperity from our

1196
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: man river Horse. He's gonna help you chill out and

1197
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: relax with a little sagely wisdom. Sports fans, this one

1198
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: is for you, and he is actually talking about a

1199
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: real carp buried in the dirt. Micro Chemistry is another

1200
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: technique at Undisposable. I'm sucking today, Coker Cotch. You think

1201
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's catch. Microchemistry is another technique at

1202
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: art disposal. Dude, I've been chasing roosters too much. Man,

1203
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: I got like call the mind. They'll leave that in. No,

1204
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: please do not leave that in. Microchemistry is another tech, Joe,

1205
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: You're the winner. It's important to have some things in

1206
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: life that you feel bringing them mojo. Our store today

1207
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: reminds me of a time when River Horse went fishing

1208
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: with this good old Texas buddy, JT Van's hand. JT

1209
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: is a beautiful soul and one of those people I

1210
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: hold sacred in my life. On this day, I stepped

1211
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: on its aft holding a triple Espresso and a giant banana.

1212
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: JT howled at the moon, don't you dare get on

1213
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: that boat, river Horse, But it was too late, he said,

1214
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: Oh shit. I helped in the front of the raft

1215
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: with a badass six weight, and by the time we'd

1216
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: gone around the first bend in the river stuck a

1217
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: four pound bass on top water. JT looked at me

1218
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: with the big old grant and said, we're gonna need

1219
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: some more bananas. Sometimes the things you believe in come true.

1220
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: Other times, maybe you want to take a look at

1221
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: the big picture. And now on to our story lucky Streak.

1222
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: The carp was a few inches under my left foot,

1223
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: since I was pitching from the stretch two out with

1224
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: a rowdy hot dog fueled home crowd runners on both

1225
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: corners and US leading seven to six. Shit, shit shit.

1226
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: If there was any mojo in that carp, I hadn't

1227
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: need it. Their catcher was at the plate. He had

1228
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: a razor blade earring, was about two hundred and eighty

1229
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: pounds of thundering lard, and wore a show stopper mullet

1230
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: that reached past the numbers on the back of his jersey.

1231
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: I had called off the breaking ball twice, and Coach

1232
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: called time out, looking pissed as could be as he

1233
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: stalked to the mound. What the hell is the problem, gentleman,

1234
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: as coach coach, I think a curveball is not really

1235
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: the answer here, I shared. Look at me, said Coach,

1236
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: when I called for a curveball, I expect you to

1237
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: shut up and throw a curveball, do you understand? So

1238
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: throw it, and if he hits that pitch, your ass

1239
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: is mine on a silver platter. There's nothing like the

1240
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: crack of the bat. Is there? That sound when you

1241
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: really connect and your shoulders and hips just flat out

1242
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: drive the thing. That moment when all of us crane

1243
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: her next to the sky and symbonic unison to see

1244
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: the damage done. I stood on the carp and watched

1245
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: as our center fielder made an on the flag catch

1246
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: at the fence. My tailbone would live for another day.

1247
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: Thank you carp. As for Coach, I let all the

1248
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: air out of his front tires at midnight. I was

1249
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: on the way to catch a few more carp for

1250
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: the outfield, and that's our sagely Wisdom's story for today.

1251
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: What's that you ask my baseball career. Well, I did

1252
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: get a sign Christmas card from Lasorda and all the Dodgers,

1253
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: but instead I opted to go to a Division one

1254
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: school and play water polo and that turned out just fine,

1255
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: we even beating Notre Dame in the Midwest Championships thirteen

1256
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: to twelve. And over time, my rule has always choosed

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01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: things in the water overland. I hope all of you

1258
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: are feeling lucky after that, and just know I believe

1259
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: in you. I will see you out there along the path,

1260
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: my brothers and sisters. It's funny to me that old

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01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: river Horse brought up how Carper considered lucky because on

1262
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: that last episode of Dospot Northeast you got lucky with

1263
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: a carp remember this, And sadly this did not make

1264
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: the final cut, but there is photographic evidence. I just

1265
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: have to add it was also swiftly beaten by an

1266
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: omen black bait caster in concept a three baitcaster from

1267
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: our beloved sponsors thirteen Fishing, just saying their bass gear

1268
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: hurts a lot more than bass. Doss Boat proved that

1269
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: with Striper's and Koba and catfish and Ross's lucky carp

1270
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: Was it lucky? Joe? I thought it was terrific. I

1271
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: was very sad that it didn't make the final episode.

1272
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: We had those pile of catfish there and then and

1273
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:19,919
Speaker 1: then right there in the middle of it, there's Ross

1274
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: with it with a giant, giant goldfish. Yeah. That was entertaining. Um,

1275
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: he's just being there was entertainment for you. Yeah. Well

1276
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: and fun fact, by the way, the carp in question eight,

1277
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: one of the cherry garlic hot dogs we were soaking

1278
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: for Channel Cats in the second half of that show.

1279
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: So carp guys, keep that secret in your back pocket. Um,

1280
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: but I have the same man. Taking you out for

1281
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: Channel Cats was so much fun for me because when

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01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: you're when you're in the wall eyed zone, like when

1283
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: you're doing your thing man, you are laser focused and

1284
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: dial but take you out for catfish and I found

1285
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: it slightly awkward. Yeah, Joe, you could probably remove slightly

1286
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: from that statement and we'd be more ERUs. I remember

1287
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: you saying it was like, I'm holding this catfish like

1288
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,959
Speaker 1: a loaf of bread, like you were like two hand

1289
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 1: holding it like wonderbread, straight up and down. It would

1290
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: have made a great photo for our Awkward Moments in

1291
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: Angling segment, which we're about to end the show with today.

1292
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you now, I'm nervous because you

1293
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: have a knack. You're very good at like messing with people,

1294
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: like and like shredding some people. And I warned the

1295
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: listeners right that some of my guest hosts may not

1296
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: be as empathetic as Miles when it came to awkward

1297
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: moments in angling. But we're gonna We're gonna give it

1298
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: a shot. Are you excited? I feel like I'm being

1299
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: kind of set up a little bit, to be honest,

1300
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: Why did you take a picture in a live black

1301
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: So I've said this before, but it never ceases to

1302
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: amaze me how willing people are to get shredded. And

1303
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: we get so many awkward photo submissions from people just

1304
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: dying and get torn up, and most of the time

1305
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, ah, there's not that much to

1306
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: shred there. But I got a photo from Caden Kimberland

1307
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: and instantly I was like, I feel kind of bad,

1308
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: but this is what the guy wants, you know what

1309
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, like he wants this, He's asking for this.

1310
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: Do you want me to tell you on this one

1311
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: you shouldn't feel bad, and I'm gonna tell you why.

1312
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna go where you think I'm gonna

1313
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: go with this. I'm gonna I'm gonna bring up a

1314
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: little old school thing. Me and you did a small

1315
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: mouth show together a long time ago, and we caught

1316
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: some giants, right yeah, and me and you are each

1317
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: holding up dude, don't press me this, but we had

1318
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: fish in the sixth to push in seven pound range.

1319
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: We're each holding one off. We get a picture with it. Yeah,

1320
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: you use as a lead in for something, and then

1321
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: people put a picture below which I don't understand, and

1322
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: they're like you like that? How about this boys? And

1323
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: it's like a seventeen inch small mouth and I'm like, yeah,

1324
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Sometimes people, it's like like, dude, this

1325
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: is some pound smallmoth. You're holding up two and a

1326
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: half pounder. Like what, okay, I feel like in this

1327
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: picture if I can just jump right into this, No,

1328
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: you can't jump right into it, because I'm gonna say

1329
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: more about it first, because I want to set this

1330
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: up a little more. But as predicted, you are going

1331
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: full bore, which I knew you would, and I think

1332
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good. Right, It's gonna be good, or

1333
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: at least for us, maybe not for Cayden. But I

1334
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: got to add part of the reason I feel so bad.

1335
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: Caden's a youngster. I'm gonna say late teens, maybe twenty. Cayden.

1336
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: If you're older than that, good for you, because you

1337
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: don't look at day over fourteen. But Caden recently got

1338
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: into fly fishing, and to do so, he picked up.

1339
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: As he put it, he pointed out a Walmart special combo,

1340
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: which is impressive because there are no fly combos in

1341
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 1: the Walmart's where I live. I haven't seen one in

1342
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: years now. I have to point out that the fact

1343
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: alone that this is a fly photo also just left

1344
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: that there. Right. They didn't buy it. It was just

1345
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,480
Speaker 1: in the dumpstering side to Walmart, by the slurping machine.

1346
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: As I was about to say, you're probably also rolling

1347
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: your eyes because I know you hate everything about fly fishing,

1348
01:09:55,720 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: not everything, just the whole premise. Oh god, alright, So

1349
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: all right, so this is a pretty tight shot. All right,

1350
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep going here because that's why we

1351
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: love you. Pretty tight shot. Just waste up on Caden,

1352
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: and in his left hand, he's holding a smallmouth bass

1353
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: by the lip vertically. And you just brought up, you know,

1354
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: the guy with the seventeen incher. I would call it

1355
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 1: slightly maybe a pound pound and a half. Legitimately, what

1356
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: do you think it is? Probably fourteen inches. I mean,

1357
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: look at the size of his hand. Unless screechers got

1358
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: bigger mits than I think he Does's great? How did

1359
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna be like your favorite part

1360
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: of the whole show? All right? So, so in his

1361
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: right hand, so he's got the smaller vertical in his left.

1362
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: In his right hand, he's holding his Walmart special fly

1363
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: rod horizontally, and the fish in the rod create like

1364
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: a perfectly symmetrical L shape in front of him. And

1365
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: we've joked in this segment before about how people feel

1366
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: the need to get a fly rod in the shot.

1367
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: So everyone knows that it was caught on the fly,

1368
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: but Caden made no attempt to make this look natural.

1369
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: In fact, the rod is being held in such a

1370
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: way with Reverends I would say that he seems almost

1371
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: as proud of the rod as the fish. Yeah, I

1372
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: mean it's better though than the dude that like puts

1373
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: it around his neck, you know. So yeah, I kind

1374
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: of do that because I just, yeah, you know, maybe

1375
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 1: it's because I'm so anti fly guy. But well, whoever

1376
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: the first guy was, the thought of that was pretty

1377
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: damn smart. The problem is that everybody does it now,

1378
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: and that's just another way of trying to make the

1379
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: fly rod look natural. Right now, I feel like Caden,

1380
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: who I'm going to refer to a Screech from here

1381
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: on out. I feel like Screech is like the kid

1382
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: that like got pushed in the locker and he did

1383
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: it on purpose because he liked it. Like that's the

1384
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: look I got here, you know what I mean? Okay,

1385
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: all right, all right, So I'll say this. I can

1386
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: look past the rod and the fish display. The thing

1387
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 1: I cannot look past on Caden, I will conte. I

1388
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 1: will respectfully keep calling him Caden. The thing I cannot

1389
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: look past is Caden's shirt. Now. It's a button down

1390
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: fishing shirt, which is fine. I'm a big fan of

1391
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 1: those myself. But the best way I can describe the

1392
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: print on this shirt is wallpaper from a Vegas motel,

1393
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: like off the strip circa nineteen seventy six. That's what

1394
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: it looks like from a distance, but if you zoom

1395
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,839
Speaker 1: in then you'll realize the pattern is like a mashup

1396
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: of reads and ducks on ponds and these bright oranges

1397
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: and subtle purples. And you're like, okay, I meant to

1398
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: say shitty fishing motel on Lake for Million circa nineteen

1399
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: seventy eight. Like I was just off slightly. You know

1400
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: what I saw one of you know, first glance, because

1401
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: that's what you got to do. He's like, what do

1402
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: you see? Ran out of the game. I see he

1403
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 1: was at that same walmart and right next to the

1404
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: slurping machine where he got that rod out of the

1405
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: dumpster there was there was a Hawaiian shirt sail for

1406
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: ninety nine cents, and then somebody hit him with a

1407
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: paper ball gown a couple of times. And then he

1408
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 1: had all of his Slayer and Mega Death shirts in

1409
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 1: the laundry, and so he's like, mom, where's mine? He

1410
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: can shirt? Man, Well, that may be true, and I'm

1411
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: gonna tell you why, because Caden sent me multiple photos, right,

1412
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: so he gave me roast options. He's like, you could

1413
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,879
Speaker 1: shred any one of these, right, They are all taken

1414
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: on different dates. But he is wearing this shirt in

1415
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: every single one, so clearly this is dude's fishing shirt.

1416
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: This is the the designated fishing shirt. I mean I

1417
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: can get behind that. I can get behind that. I

1418
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: can get behind Yeah, I mean you know, and even

1419
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, the cheaper I think that doesn't I mean,

1420
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. I think it's I think when

1421
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: he took that picture though, he was he's a goofy dude,

1422
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: like he was looking for a little bit of entertainment

1423
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: out of this, unlike people who are serious. So I

1424
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: don't really have a problem with Screech, to be honest

1425
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: with it, because the guys that are like posting in

1426
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: the fourteen inches like yeah, how about this bro, and

1427
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: they're serious about it. Oh, it's not him. He's genuinely happy,

1428
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: like he's having he's having fun with this. He is.

1429
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: But I think we also have to talk about the

1430
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: expression on his face because it's it is one hundred

1431
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: percent an expression of over the top, pure joy. It's

1432
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: just subsequently he looks like one of those clowns at

1433
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,719
Speaker 1: the carnival, like you shoot the water in their mouth

1434
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: until the balloon pops. I mean, like that's the expression

1435
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 1: on his face. I see a combination of a wax

1436
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: statue and a guy that got goosed by somebody that

1437
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be goosing. Oh my god, you're all

1438
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: gonna get to see this on Instagram this week, so

1439
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 1: you can you can tell me carnival clown or someone

1440
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: who just got goosed? Does Joe or Ross win that one?

1441
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, But Cayden, you asked for it, so

1442
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: you got it, and you got it from none other

1443
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 1: than the masterful shredder that is Captain Ross Robertson. But listen, man,

1444
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 1: despite us, we're having a little fun at your expense,

1445
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: which again you wanted right. I also know because you

1446
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: told me that that smally was the first good fish

1447
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: you stuck on a fly, So congrats on that. I

1448
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: mean that end. Even as Rass suggested, dude, keep waving

1449
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: that Walmart special man. Don't let anyone tell you need

1450
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,879
Speaker 1: anything better to get it done on the water because

1451
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: you don't. Maybe just find a plane shirt and a

1452
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,480
Speaker 1: nice salmon or a zul pattern or something. Hey, if

1453
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: you got a photo of you or your buddy that

1454
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: you want to roast, okay, keep them coming to bent

1455
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: at the meat eater dot com. Maybe they will just

1456
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: end up here and maybe I will bring Ross back,

1457
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: especially to extra heavy shred your photo. I feel like

1458
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: I could have a job opening here. That is all

1459
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: the time we have for this week. If you're trying

1460
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: to gauge whether or not you're too close to the

1461
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 1: angler next to you, remember you are if you can

1462
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: see the pattern on his wallpaper shirt, smell the zema

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Speaker 1: on his breath while he's standing next to his spinning prop,

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01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: or if you can count the scales on the carpe's

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01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: burying for good luck. However, if Ross Robertson rolls up

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01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: too close to you in his boat, you should probably

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01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 1: just leave because that's the big dog. That's solid advice

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01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: because I have big friends like big Head. You got

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01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: all kinds of muscle knuckles, get the handbag. Ross needs

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01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: to get rid of this guy. But this did This

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Speaker 1: has been a lot of fun. It always is with you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here, man. And if you haven't

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01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 1: seen episode six of Doss Bolt Northeast, go watch that

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01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: sum bitch because it's a good one. If you don't

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01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: have a degenerate angler sticker on your bank bucket, keep

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01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: using those Degenerate Angler, and Bent podcasts. Hashtags on the Instagram.

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01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: If I repost something you tag, you get stickered. If

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01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: I use a voice memo on the show, you get

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01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: mega swagged. So keep those along with Selbin items, bar nominations,

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01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: and awkward photos coming to Bent at the meat Eater

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01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 1: dot com. And finally, if you're trying to pick the

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Speaker 1: perfect shade for that ginger murk and you're ordering, Ross

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Speaker 1: can help by right