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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh and

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Speaker 1: there's Chuck and we're about to take you on a

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Speaker 1: ride through a chicken's ovaduct at some point in this episode.

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Speaker 1: And why we're doing that is to explain why chicken

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Speaker 2: That's right. And for this episode, we're going to pretend

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Speaker 2: that eggs are not super expensive because we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about buying eggs and you know, stuff like that, right,

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Speaker 2: And that's just the fact that life eggs are really

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Speaker 2: expensive right now, So let's just put that to the

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Speaker 1: Well, we also have to presume that you can even

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Speaker 1: find the eggs to buy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a solid point. This came about because I

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Speaker 2: just went on our annual fifth annual rather frigid Fiesta,

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Speaker 2: which is my buddies and I try to get together

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Speaker 2: and go to my camp on the coldest, one of

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Speaker 2: the coldest days of the years. I make an MVC

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Speaker 2: Most Valuable Camper Trophy. I earned that trophy for the

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Speaker 2: first time this year.

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Speaker 1: Very provatulation. Would you do to earn it.

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Speaker 2: I so bead some Wagoo steaks I provided the camp

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Speaker 2: I think it finally dawned on everyone. That was kind

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Speaker 2: of a big deal. You know. I partied in just

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Speaker 2: the right way to impress everybody nice and you know,

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Speaker 2: some other things, and that's generally how you went it.

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Speaker 2: You kind of go above and beyond. And my comedy

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Speaker 2: was on point. I was just on fire with the jokes,

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Speaker 2: wow and DJing like, yeah, I kind of had it

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Speaker 2: in the bag. But long way of saying, my buddy Justin,

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Speaker 2: whom you know from London, England, who raises chickens. He

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Speaker 2: olive eggs, some brown speckled eggs, a couple of sort

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Speaker 2: And now I know, and I told Justin the deal

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Speaker 2: as well, why his chickens are making different eggs.

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Speaker 1: Did he want to know that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: He was very curious. Okay, good well, Chuck. One of

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Speaker 1: of the color of the eggs, I really hope this

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Speaker 1: is true. One is not necessarily more nutritious than the other.

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Speaker 2: Now, those brown eggs, you gotta get those brown eggs

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Speaker 2: or natural josh, no bleach them.

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Speaker 1: You're thinking of rice or flour. Oh, non brown chicken

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Speaker 1: eggs are not bleached. That is not true. That would

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Speaker 1: be a really bad thing to do to an egg.

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Speaker 1: The white eggs that you see that make up the

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Speaker 1: United States, they come from leghorn chickens, as in foghorn

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Speaker 1: leghorn but he was a rooster, but the hens of

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Speaker 1: his breed lay white eggs. They're not bleached, they just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And most eggs in the commercial egg industry in

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Speaker 2: So when you see like a fancy brown egg, it's

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Speaker 2: the same egg. Well that's if it's you know, not

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Speaker 2: you know, the pasture rays and the stuff that we're

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Speaker 1: The one distinction really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll talk about that later. But a white

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Speaker 2: egg is the same as a brown egg nutritional. Nutritionally speaking,

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Speaker 2: they come from the leg horns, Orphington's and plymouth rocks.

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Speaker 2: Those are varieties of chickens they're going to lay the browns.

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Speaker 2: a pretty cool fact.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to shout out. A University of Georgia

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Speaker 1: poultry scientists named get this justin Fowler Amazing. It is amazing.

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Speaker 1: And so he provided a lot of the insight on

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Speaker 1: how all of this works, and he basically said it's genetics.

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Speaker 1: But you don't have to run a chicken's genome to

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Speaker 2: And you're gonna say that because you know what I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've seen them a million times. They're

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Speaker 1: Those are their ear lobes.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine if his name was Greg Fowler, why

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Speaker 2: we'd have the name egg in his name too.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he could.

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Speaker 2: Go buy g R egg Fowler.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, if you've got a white chicken, it's gonna lay

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but again not necessarily like the same color as that.

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Speaker 1: But it just means that they're producing more pigment than

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Speaker 1: take that trip down the oviduct when we return.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do.

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Speaker 1: It, Okay, Chuck, get your miner's cap on turned on

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Speaker 1: the light. Yep, maybe don some gloves. Yeah, And we're

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Speaker 1: And when you go in there, we're going to see

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Speaker 1: and it gets deposited in the oviduct and it's almost

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, in the oviduct on that conveyor belt,

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Speaker 2: there're gonna be five different sort of in order, because

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Speaker 2: where that shell is formed. It's a calcium carbonate shell

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Speaker 1: Right. That's uh, that's Greg Fowler's middle name.

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Speaker 2: Gregg, Greg's shell Gland Fowler.

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Speaker 1: Or his fraternity nickname.

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Speaker 2: But they all start white, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because they're made of calcium carbonate, and that is white

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Speaker 1: in nature. It's so all chickens eggs are white. That's

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Speaker 1: That's all you really need to know, except for everything

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Speaker 1: else that's about to follow, and that is that once

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Speaker 1: kinds of chickens deposit a pigment on it. Yeah. Again,

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Speaker 1: like the leghorn white ear lob, no pigment deposit. But

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Speaker 1: other kinds, like you said, Plymouth Rocks, Orphington's, Rhode Island reds,

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Speaker 1: they all put a little bit of pigment, I guess,

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Speaker 1: just to kind of make the world a slightly brighter place.

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Speaker 1: but the wide array of colors that chicken eggs come in. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And do you know, by the way, I heard a

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Speaker 2: it is kind of like this. Let me try another

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Speaker 1: Yeah, does it come out of like a pastry frosting bag?

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Speaker 2: Well, sure you can call it that, Chris. All right,

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Speaker 2: So back to sorry about that twelve year old Chuck

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Speaker 2: showed up for a minute. Those two pigments that, like

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's proto. Yeah, that is those two make

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. The greens and blues are the Billy

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Speaker 1: Verden and the protopor Frin make the reddish browns. That's right.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just chickens that this happens with. You

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Speaker 1: know Robin's lay Tiffany box blue eggs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look at you.

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Speaker 1: I think it's usually described as Robin's egg blue, but

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Speaker 1: that's from the same process. It makes that same sound.

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Speaker 1: Can we hear it again? Yeah. There's also a bird

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Speaker 1: that sometimes is speckled. I think all of this is

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Speaker 1: so wonderful, but really there's nothing that can compare to

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Speaker 1: mark or no, you start with the crane and then

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Speaker 1: you you dyet like, let's see a chicken do that

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Speaker 1: maybe a chevron patterned on your egg? Naturally chicken and

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Speaker 2: I totally agree. Uh. And here's the thing. We talked

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Speaker 2: and that's true. The inside of a white egg is

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Speaker 2: you if you get like, you know, the really now

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Speaker 2: they're super expensive. Not not the free range, because you know,

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Speaker 2: dispel that myth that generally if it says free range,

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Speaker 2: that just means that the door is open to the barn.

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Speaker 2: But they're not really.

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Speaker 1: Out there with page free too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cage free, but a genuine pasture raised chicken. They

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Speaker 2: can actually be more nutritious if they're foraging on greens

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Speaker 2: and eating insects and things that just a better variety

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Speaker 2: the free range aren't getting If you get those really

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Speaker 2: really expensive pasture raised ones, they may have slightly higher

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Speaker 2: levels of Omega three, fatty acids and vitamins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and before Warren, because in the United States, at least,

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Speaker 1: the term pastur raised is not regulated. You could slap

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Speaker 1: are some certification groups that go through and actually certify

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Speaker 1: certifications like certified humane is a legitimate one that means

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Speaker 1: that that chicken actually was walking around pecking at the ground,

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Speaker 1: not in like some big metal shed with a trillion

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm gonna recommend, especially now that eggs are

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Speaker 2: so expensive, like try and source them locally. They're guarantee

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Speaker 2: you in your town there is a farmer's market with

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Speaker 2: some stinky hippie that's going to sell you some eggs

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Speaker 2: and a funny looking container, or at the very least

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Speaker 2: a used egg carton from somewhere else. Or if you

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Speaker 2: have a friend like I do that you know they'll

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Speaker 2: give us eggs because those used to be like, oh gosh,

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Speaker 2: they're not. You know, the locals aren't suffered from the

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Speaker 2: commercial egg industries woes. So now some of those are

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Speaker 2: cheaper than grocery store eggs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know where they're.

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Speaker 2: Coming from and they're walking around eating insects and grass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But there's some things that you need to know

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Speaker 1: about this if you're eating locally sourced eggs. One is

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Speaker 1: that they probably haven't been washed, which is fine, that

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Speaker 1: they don't normally come washed. Unless you're buying the commercially

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Speaker 1: produced eggs in Australia, the US, Japan, you have to

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Speaker 1: wash them. The problem with washing an egg, though, is

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Speaker 1: that it removes the little waxy coating that the egg

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Speaker 1: is naturally encased in that keeps bacteria out of the shell.

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Speaker 1: As hard as the shell seems, it's actually kind of

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Speaker 1: porous and bacteria can make it right into the egg

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Speaker 1: and kill you and everyone you love, but that waxy

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Speaker 1: coating keeps that from happening. The problem with all this is,

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Speaker 1: and this is the reason why the United States, in Japan,

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Speaker 1: and Australia require their commercially produced eggs to be washed,

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Speaker 1: is that coating really hangs on to things like salmonella

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Speaker 1: and chicken yard poop and all this stuff. So you

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Speaker 1: kind of have to balance the two. Do you want

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Speaker 1: salmonilla or do you want e coli? Which one do

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Speaker 1: you want? So if you get locally sourced eggs, it

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Speaker 1: makes sense to keep them unwashed until you want to

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Speaker 1: eat them. Then you wash it, use a little bit

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Speaker 1: of DON some water, you wash that off, and then

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Speaker 1: you eat it a washed.

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Speaker 2: I would not recommend using don, but that's just me.

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Speaker 1: Why what's wrong with Don? I love Don great. They

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Speaker 1: have a free and clear with the it's got a

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Speaker 1: little duck on it. It's totally natural.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it's free and clear. It is the

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Speaker 2: good thing though about getting eggs from your friends or

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Speaker 2: someone that doesn't wash their eggs, as you can just

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Speaker 2: leave them out.

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Speaker 1: They don't need to be refrigerated, true it, But once

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Speaker 1: you do wash them, you need to refrigerate them because again,

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Speaker 1: bacteria can invade them pretty easily. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you I've eaten dozens and dozens of

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Speaker 2: those eggs from justin, never washed them, never had a problem.

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Speaker 1: Really. Oh yeah, did you get a little poop in

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Speaker 1: your eggs?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: They're great? Cool? Well there there you go to everything

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Speaker 1: you need to know about locally sourced eggs from your

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Speaker 1: friend Chuck feet. That's right, Well, I Chuck said, that's right,

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Speaker 1: and that means obviously that short stuff is out.

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