Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Official Yellowstone Podcast. I'm Jefferson White.
Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by Jen Landon. We've got a
Speaker 1: great conversation for you today, and a little later we
Speaker 1: have an amazing guest for you today. I am so
Speaker 1: excited for this conversation. This is a conversation that's gonna
Speaker 1: span Yellowstone nineteen twenty three, eighteen eighty three from a
Speaker 1: perspective that you haven't heard yet. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: to Moe Brings plenty right after this.
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, we want to welcome you back to the
Speaker 2: Official Yellowstone Podcast. I'm Jen Landon, and we missed everybody.
Speaker 1: It's been too long. Yeah, we've had a few weeks off.
Speaker 1: We haven't recorded for a couple of weeks. And also,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be really honest with you, there hasn't been
Speaker 1: an episode of Yellowstone.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I know the extended Yellowstone universe for going on a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks now, and it feels like an eternity.
Speaker 1: I feel incredibly I feel like the beautiful world of Montana,
Speaker 1: the American West, this sort of fantasy that I live
Speaker 1: for every week. In the absence of it, I feel
Speaker 1: a little depressed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, nineteen twenty three might be actually
Speaker 2: like my first experience with true obsession with one of
Speaker 2: these shows. I obviously love all of the shows. It's
Speaker 2: hard for me to watch myself as an actor, so
Speaker 2: I don't run to the Yellowstone, you know, right when
Speaker 2: it airs, because I have to take some anti anxiety
Speaker 2: meds beforehand. But nineteen twenty three, without that airing, I
Speaker 2: am feeling incredibly I'm not settled, I'm not happy. I'm
Speaker 2: a shittier person to the people around me. I don't
Speaker 2: know what we're going to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be a while, but thankfully we
Speaker 1: have each other. And it sounds like, you know, you've
Speaker 1: been exploring at least one coping mechanism, which is that
Speaker 1: you went on a trip. Will you tell me about
Speaker 1: your trip, your own little odyssey?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're right, I have been coping. I
Speaker 2: ran all the way to Europe. I went to London,
Speaker 2: and I went to Paris, and I got to practice
Speaker 2: my French, which is really rad. Apparently, I feel like
Speaker 2: half the time the Parisians were like, you just speak
Speaker 2: English and don't ruin our language.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh but no, actually, Parisians are so nice. And I
Speaker 2: have to tell you I vaguely remember that when I
Speaker 2: was little that like them being very all like up
Speaker 2: their own ass. They are so kind, which means that
Speaker 2: the people of la have become so horrible that they
Speaker 2: make regions look sweet. Our producer is laughing, because our
Speaker 2: producer is laughing because he is from l A or
Speaker 2: lived in l at somebody, and like he has moved
Speaker 2: outside of the county line and drives incredibly far. His
Speaker 2: life is totally inconvenient, and it's just so he doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be in l A. Scott, can you put
Speaker 2: your mic on and tell me if that's correct or not.
Speaker 3: He won't do it.
Speaker 1: He refuses to do it, and he has he make
Speaker 1: sure any this is a nicely flattering description of him,
Speaker 1: so maybe he'll leave it in the edit. Gen I
Speaker 1: would be remiss on behalf of our audience if I
Speaker 1: did not ask you to A speak a little French
Speaker 1: and B speak a little French in a teeter voice.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean Francis Francis laxandle frances Canadian perscu gebidi
Speaker 2: quebec quebe Okay.
Speaker 1: I just want you guys out there to understand that
Speaker 1: that that's the actor that you know as Teeter on Yellowstone.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to speak beautiful French.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I had a teacher tell me that they preferred me
Speaker 2: when I spoke French, that I was this like sweet,
Speaker 2: lovely thing, and then when I spoke English, I was
Speaker 2: an obnoxious, horrible person, which I think is true. And
Speaker 2: I speak French in a Teeter hold long, how long?
Speaker 2: Go be a fucking second? Oh yeah, bonjour tie for
Speaker 2: I know, I go fuck you?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: I thank you?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 2: French? Like her, it goes full circle and it's.
Speaker 1: From your lips to Taylor Sheridan's ears god Willing. Season
Speaker 1: five be of Yellowstone the second half of season five.
Speaker 2: Not season five, But if we go to season seventeen,
Speaker 2: storylines might have to get real weird.
Speaker 1: French cowboys show up to compete in a rodeo and
Speaker 1: Teter speaks fluent furniture and listen, and you know, we're
Speaker 1: putting it out there just so them.
Speaker 2: While we're on this theme, I'm thinking French Yellowstone, right,
Speaker 2: Like in our show what We've Decided, people are shot
Speaker 2: and beat up all the time, like that's just what happens.
Speaker 2: And in the French version. They just slap each other.
Speaker 2: They challenge each other to a glove duel. They just
Speaker 2: slap it.
Speaker 4: You slap.
Speaker 1: I think this is I think this is money print
Speaker 1: it me too, print it, Jen, That's incredible. I'm also
Speaker 1: so so glad you're back. I missed you very much selfishly,
Speaker 1: while you were on your beautiful journey of self discovery
Speaker 1: across Europe. I was sitting alone in my basement with
Speaker 1: this podcast microphone, just waiting for you to log back in.
Speaker 2: Lies Jefferson.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's that's all I did. I've been here.
Speaker 1: I've been here for the the what like two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty six hours intervening.
Speaker 2: I had serious fomo because I wasn't sure if you
Speaker 2: guys were recording a bunch of things without me.
Speaker 1: So we did. We recorded six or seven episodes, and
Speaker 1: then Scott. Scott realized that how incredibly boring it was.
Speaker 1: He said something to me about I think his exact
Speaker 1: words were, your voice is so annoying and we cannot
Speaker 1: use any.
Speaker 2: One's even gonna believe that because look at the Apple.
Speaker 2: I don't want to exclude Spotify, whatever wherever you get
Speaker 2: your podcasts. The people we always say at the end.
Speaker 2: But the reviews I can only read on Apple and
Speaker 2: all of all of the reviews, Jeff, talk about your
Speaker 2: beautiful voice, Jed.
Speaker 1: It is as always a joy to talk to you.
Speaker 1: But we've got an audience out there who is as
Speaker 1: hungry for Yellowstone as we are. They miss it the
Speaker 1: same way we do. So for them, I feel very,
Speaker 1: very happy to say that we've got an incredible guest today.
Speaker 1: We're going to dive into all things Yellowstone eighteen eighty three,
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three with a man with an incredible unique
Speaker 1: perspective on the whole thing. We've got Mo brings plenty
Speaker 1: with us today. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 4: Mo, it's a great honor to always be to spend
Speaker 4: time with you guys. It's awesome.
Speaker 2: I just want to like paint a picture a little
Speaker 2: bit for the listeners. So we are talking to Mo
Speaker 2: right now, and Mo is pulled over in his truck
Speaker 2: with his sweetie Sarah, and and you are on. Tell
Speaker 2: me a little bit. You started, tell me you are
Speaker 2: on your way to Texas to pick up horses.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to go to Texas And we're doing
Speaker 4: a little bit with past reeveson and then I'm going
Speaker 4: to pick load up our horses, hook our trailer up,
Speaker 4: and then get them back to Kansas.
Speaker 1: That's some cowboys shit right there. So that is really
Speaker 1: a perfect illustration for the audience that Moe is the
Speaker 1: real deal. Mo really lives this life. He's been ranch
Speaker 1: rodeoing for a long long time. We had a chance
Speaker 1: to talk about that last year, Mo. But for folks
Speaker 1: who are just joining us now, also, Yellowstone's audience gets
Speaker 1: bigger every year. Very lucky about that. So for folks
Speaker 1: that don't know you, who didn't have a chance to
Speaker 1: hear our last episode, will you just talk about your
Speaker 1: background a little bit and how you wound up on Yellowstone.
Speaker 4: I was born and raised on I was born on
Speaker 4: a pinergen In reservation in South Dakota, but I like
Speaker 4: to say that I was raised in Lakota Country because
Speaker 4: my mother, she's from Shine River, and we have relatives
Speaker 4: on a Rosebud reservation as well, so I spent time
Speaker 4: on all three reservations. I moved my travel enrollment over
Speaker 4: to the Shine River reservation that my mom's from because
Speaker 4: she's Mini.
Speaker 3: Kosia la Quota.
Speaker 4: My father's Oglala Lakota, and I spent a lot of
Speaker 4: time just growing up as a kid riding horses and
Speaker 4: started rodeoing. That was kind of my ticket way off
Speaker 4: to adventure out beyond the reservation border towns and got
Speaker 4: to meet some real amazing folks in the rodeo world
Speaker 4: and just fell in love with it and been still
Speaker 4: in love with it, wishing I was young again to
Speaker 4: be able to do some rough stock riding. But now
Speaker 4: I just ride green broke ponies at home.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: And try it and hope like heck, I don't get
Speaker 4: bucked off. And and because it's it's not the fall
Speaker 4: that gets you, it's that sudden stop. They call it
Speaker 4: a landing, but it's a sudden stop. That's that's the
Speaker 4: that's the part that gets to you and kind of
Speaker 4: sometimes takes the wind away from you.
Speaker 3: So it feels like you can't breathe for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you.
Speaker 4: Hope, like when that happens, you hope, like heck that
Speaker 4: no one sees it, sees it, And so yeah, it's
Speaker 4: always embarrassing.
Speaker 2: MO. I can't. I can speak for myself, and I
Speaker 2: am maybe gonna be able to speak for Jeff too.
Speaker 2: I don't know if either one of us like this
Speaker 2: is how you know we are leads. We are so
Speaker 2: far away from being real cowboys. Ever. I have not
Speaker 2: on off a horse, Jeff yet have.
Speaker 1: You don't say it out loud, Jen, don't say it
Speaker 1: out loud.
Speaker 2: We've been lucky, I understand, but I feel like it's
Speaker 2: this thing that it like it's it's gotta happen, right Mo.
Speaker 4: Of course it has to. That's that's when you can
Speaker 4: really say, Okay, I'm a horseback rider.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to have that experience when you're a kid.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to have those experiences when you're young. On
Speaker 1: the show, they say, when you've got rubber bones, Jen,
Speaker 1: we are too old to fall off a horse for
Speaker 1: the first time.
Speaker 4: Actually, no, you're not too old, because that happened to
Speaker 4: me not long ago, and so it still happens. I
Speaker 4: for some reason, my mind hasn't caught up to my
Speaker 4: body yet. I still think I'm sixteen. I still think
Speaker 4: I'm invincible. I still think I can do all of
Speaker 4: these things. But when it comes down to it, I
Speaker 4: you know, I know, it hits the fan and I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: oh my god, what am I doing to myself?
Speaker 1: So for anybody that doesn't know Moe also serves as
Speaker 1: the consultant and coordinator on nineteen twenty three for American
Speaker 1: Indian Affairs. So you're very involved in the teaching of
Speaker 1: that history, and in nineteen twenty three particularly, we're seeing
Speaker 1: an incredibly painful, a sort of very ugly chapter of
Speaker 1: that history. Will you talk about how you came to
Speaker 1: be involved as the coordinator and sort of in your capacity?
Speaker 4: Now, you know, I really honestly owe everything of where
Speaker 4: I'm at today to the Sheridan family, to Taylor and Nicole.
Speaker 4: You know, it's Taylor's created has this space, and he
Speaker 4: allowed me to occupy the space and be me. And
Speaker 4: in the past that's that's was never welcoming. But Taylor's
Speaker 4: changed that, and again I owe it all to him.
Speaker 4: And so I looked at nineteen twenty three and I
Speaker 4: knew what it was going to be about as I
Speaker 4: was reading the scripts. I had a general idea of it,
Speaker 4: and I was like, Man, do I really want to
Speaker 4: go back to that space and to that moment and
Speaker 4: to that memory.
Speaker 3: But I thought, we have to do this.
Speaker 4: I have to be a part of this because it
Speaker 4: is necessary. It is necessary because society has almost forgotten
Speaker 4: that where we as American Indian people that have been
Speaker 4: through that and experienced it, whether it's through loved ones ourselves,
Speaker 4: we can't forget about that. And so the more that
Speaker 4: society understands the treatment of our what what had happened
Speaker 4: to us as the people, then maybe they will begin
Speaker 4: to understand who we are and it will also begin
Speaker 4: to humanize us even more as American Indian people. Moments
Speaker 4: that I had to get up and walk away from
Speaker 4: the monitors and just go be by myself, and I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: I wept. I wept, and and.
Speaker 4: Then I just have to look around and see the
Speaker 4: the crew, Thank goodness, they're so amazing, and see them
Speaker 4: and just be like, Okay, yeah, we're just doing a show.
Speaker 3: But for me, it's not just a show. It's it
Speaker 3: was our lives. And and so I just had to get.
Speaker 4: Back around the good, amazing crew that we're so fortunate
Speaker 4: to work with and share some laughs again and get
Speaker 4: back into that into that space and go back even
Speaker 4: our background, our young little children that were off the reservations. Wow,
Speaker 4: they they nailed it and it felt good and we
Speaker 4: just became a family unit, you know, with all with
Speaker 4: each other and supportive. We're all from different tribes, but
Speaker 4: we all been through this and and so it was
Speaker 4: even the folks that played the nuns the priest.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know.
Speaker 4: That For me, when I meet people today, that's why
Speaker 4: I wear my braids every single day. You know, when
Speaker 4: I meet them, I remember and I know, but I
Speaker 4: meet them with the smile and I shake their hands.
Speaker 4: I acknowledge them, but I acknowledge them and introduced myself
Speaker 4: with my own language, just kind of a way to say, yeah,
Speaker 4: we've been through that, but we're still here, and here
Speaker 4: we are together.
Speaker 3: What can we do together?
Speaker 4: Put our minds together, work together, no longer judge one another,
Speaker 4: but work together to make a better future, a better
Speaker 4: tomorrow for all people.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, mo, I think I speak for myself.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I speak for much of our audience too.
Speaker 1: I also, in watching those scenes in nineteen twenty three,
Speaker 1: it makes me weep. It's an incredibly painful history to confront.
Speaker 1: And I have no doubt that the burden of showing
Speaker 1: that history and carrying that history is a very heavy burden.
Speaker 1: But I hope that you know I have been I
Speaker 1: have to admit a very naive throughout my life about
Speaker 1: this history. And I have to say that for me,
Speaker 1: the experience of working on Yellowstone, the experience of watching
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty three and nineteen twenty three, I'm going to
Speaker 1: carry that history with me now too, you know, in
Speaker 1: order to reach As you spoke about the joy of
Speaker 1: coming back together, to find this joy of unity, it
Speaker 1: does feel like one of the steps is being honest
Speaker 1: about the history. And I hope that you feel that
Speaker 1: your work being honest about this history is an important
Speaker 1: step towards coming together in the now, in the present.
Speaker 1: We're so grateful to have Mo with us today. We're
Speaker 1: going to keep this conversation going right after this.
Speaker 2: I don't know why this made me think of, like, Mo,
Speaker 2: you look amazing. It was the critics' choice of wards
Speaker 2: just recently, right, Is this where Golden Globes got?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: I keep up to date guys with the award shows.
Speaker 2: Either way, whicheverone was giving out awards, you looked amazing.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, amazing.
Speaker 4: Well, I was there on behalf of all of us,
Speaker 4: and I was there honestly, when I was backstage, I
Speaker 4: was thinking about all them young kids, that them young
Speaker 4: boys that are growing their hair long and try to
Speaker 4: represent their culture and that are going through their struggles
Speaker 4: and doubts. I was thinking, you know, I hope they're
Speaker 4: watching this so they can see that it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: It also feels like where we left off. Where we
Speaker 1: left off, this season also feels like there's kind of
Speaker 1: new and intro sting threats on the reservation. Particularly, it
Speaker 1: feels like Angela Blue Thunder, who I must say Moe
Speaker 1: was wary of from the very beginning. I feel like
Speaker 1: Moe was warning Rainwater about Angela Blue Thunder before we
Speaker 1: ever met that character. So I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: Moe was right about that one. Because Angela Blue Thunder
Speaker 1: has really turned on Rainwater and now there's this young
Speaker 1: political threat Martin kills Many. There's this like sort of
Speaker 1: political plot kind of brewing against Rainwater on the Reds.
Speaker 1: So I'm so excited to see the role that Moe
Speaker 1: plays in hopefully helping Rainwater navigate this challenge because it's
Speaker 1: a unique we haven't seen Rainwater and Moe have to
Speaker 1: face this kind of internal threat before, you know, and
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 4: So glad that that has been brought up into the show.
Speaker 4: Because it is something that does happen, truthfully, every single
Speaker 4: day in Indian country on reservations, and so yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: really excited and anxious too to see what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Been real because then.
Speaker 4: The first thought that came to my mind was, well,
Speaker 4: I got a sidle up zarrow and get ready drags
Speaker 4: more folks. But you know that may not be the
Speaker 4: answer here, and so you know, but it's it's like,
Speaker 4: it's it's gonna be really exciting to see how this
Speaker 4: all unfolds. And I'm just pumped about it. Honestly, It's
Speaker 4: gonna be something that it's a legitimate deal. We see
Speaker 4: it all the time, and so now we get to
Speaker 4: expose this to society and see how it's gonna unfold
Speaker 4: for everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that incredible. I also I feel like I should
Speaker 1: mention in season four of Yellowstone, as Casey kind of
Speaker 1: goes on this personal spiritual journey, he turns to mow
Speaker 1: and turns to rain water for guidance in that spiritual journey,
Speaker 1: will you talk about the process of as as that
Speaker 1: was showing up in the script. Were you working alongside
Speaker 1: Tailor in terms of what that journey looked like? What
Speaker 1: would you talk a little bit about what Casey was
Speaker 1: doing in season four?
Speaker 4: Okay, look, first of all, we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 4: Taylor Sheridan.
Speaker 3: Taylor Sheridan is such a he's such a history buff.
Speaker 3: I mean, he he does his homework.
Speaker 4: And and second of all, Taylor Sheridan has been with
Speaker 4: my people. He's been through these ceremonies, He's been, you know,
Speaker 4: a part of them, helping, and so he knows and
Speaker 4: so Taylor knows quite a bit about about our culture
Speaker 4: and so well, I didn't have to work.
Speaker 3: With him in that.
Speaker 4: All I had to do was simply put it together
Speaker 4: in a way that it would show society, show the
Speaker 4: viewers that we still do do this in our in
Speaker 4: these days and and and and help them to understand it,
Speaker 4: and then also set it up in a way that
Speaker 4: it's going to protect the original steps of the ceremony itself.
Speaker 4: We left we left a lot of things out, and
Speaker 4: we left songs out that are a part of that.
Speaker 4: And and even in setting it up, there was clear
Speaker 4: to the Buffalo rope how we did everything. There are
Speaker 4: certain ways of doing things and how we put someone
Speaker 4: in that particular setting specifically, and and so for us,
Speaker 4: for me, from that character Mo and what Casey was
Speaker 4: going through and what he was seeing, he was constantly
Speaker 4: seeing the wolf. And so for for that particular moment
Speaker 4: was when he reached out, we saw rainwater and Mole.
Speaker 4: For me, how I translated was that they saw an
Speaker 4: opportunity to bring him in, to help him to understand
Speaker 4: of how to sort it out. And and so we
Speaker 4: created this space for him so he could have that
Speaker 4: moment and he saw his own struggles. I mean, as
Speaker 4: we all watched, you know, we saw what he was
Speaker 4: struggling with with within his own mind. And then it
Speaker 4: came down to him understanding the difference between his mind
Speaker 4: and his heart and he began to follow his heart again.
Speaker 3: And so that's what that.
Speaker 4: Setting, that that scene was really primarily about. Casey's a
Speaker 4: strong individual and and and we all know the strength
Speaker 4: that he has and his abilities to push through and
Speaker 4: carry on and keep pressing on, I should say, And
Speaker 4: but he needed a moment to allow himself to be
Speaker 4: vulnerable within himself, and that's that scene gave him that space.
Speaker 4: That particular setting gave him that space to be vulnerable,
Speaker 4: and we saw what he went through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems like he particularly needed that strength
Speaker 1: going into the tragedy he faces right at the beginning
Speaker 1: of season five, Like him and Monica really needed the
Speaker 1: sort of strength of that tradition and that history, and
Speaker 1: they leaned heavily on that strength and that sort of
Speaker 1: knowledge of self to navigate the tragedy that faced them
Speaker 1: at the beginning of season five together.
Speaker 3: Now exactly, I mean when they lost their little one.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I buried three of my own
Speaker 4: brothers when they were infants, and so that scene was
Speaker 4: very realistic for me. I mean even you know, again,
Speaker 4: we did some things that were not fully what we
Speaker 4: normally do, but we gave an idea of some of
Speaker 4: the steps in the processes that we go through and
Speaker 4: supporting individuals that lost loved ones, whether they're young or elderly,
Speaker 4: and the people that were present. And part of that
Speaker 4: was I mean the song, even the song. The song
Speaker 4: was such a beautiful song. You know, it was a
Speaker 4: traveling song. And so that my father and my brother
Speaker 4: composed and created that we could do was so fortunate
Speaker 4: enough to use on a show. I mean, everything that
Speaker 4: we do has meaning, and it's about those that are
Speaker 4: still here and those that have made that transition and
Speaker 4: traveling home, and so it's it's all part of it.
Speaker 4: And so it's it's just a beautiful Life's just beautiful
Speaker 4: all the way around.
Speaker 2: Mo I have a question for you, and I'm sorry
Speaker 2: if I missed it when you talked about leaving certain
Speaker 2: things out making sure that what goes into the show
Speaker 2: is accurate and filled with integrity, but then leaving certain
Speaker 2: things out, is that for the protection of some of
Speaker 2: the processes, so that they can't be you know, abused
Speaker 2: or misappropriated.
Speaker 4: Most definitely, I mean, unfortunately, there's a lot of like
Speaker 4: to say, spiritual predators out there, and so when they
Speaker 4: view something, they would take that and they would you know,
Speaker 4: included into their their their sales package and so and
Speaker 4: and use it on people that are that are truly
Speaker 4: in search of something in their own life, you know,
Speaker 4: and and part of their spiritual journey. And and so
Speaker 4: it's it's no different regardless if it's what faith, it is,
Speaker 4: it's in all aspects. And so we had to be
Speaker 4: able to protect the culture and and the people that
Speaker 4: the culture comes from. And so that was why we
Speaker 4: left so many things, you know, certain things out just
Speaker 4: for that sake, you know, and also to protect those
Speaker 4: people that are out there that were in search of
Speaker 4: something in their lives, you know, that are on a
Speaker 4: spiritual journey, and and so because in people are misled
Speaker 4: and miss guide it. And so it's just part of
Speaker 4: what we do on Yellowstone. And Taylor understands and knows
Speaker 4: that and the need and the importance of it, and
Speaker 4: so does Michael Friedman. And I love them guys, you know,
Speaker 4: I love everyone we've been working with, and so everyone's
Speaker 4: been so understanding and so supportive of all of it.
Speaker 3: And so it's great, Mo.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much again for joining us. We're going
Speaker 1: to keep this conversation going right after this.
Speaker 2: I feel like you have this sort of wise teacher
Speaker 2: heart message that you carry in life, and I feel
Speaker 2: it from you even when you know you and I
Speaker 2: are just shooting the shit, like it's just something that
Speaker 2: you sort of kind of you just sort of give
Speaker 2: a gift to everybody that you come in contact with.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, am I wrong? It feel it
Speaker 2: does feel like a conscious choice on your part to
Speaker 2: move through the world that way.
Speaker 4: You know, You're absolutely right, Jen, because it is about
Speaker 4: it's about educating, it's about teaching. It's about sharing, you know,
Speaker 4: because we're we as American Indian people were still you know,
Speaker 4: we can't change the past.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 4: I mean, we can't even change five seconds ago. And
Speaker 4: you know, but so I'm working towards educating people.
Speaker 3: Why really it's re educating.
Speaker 4: We have to re educate society about who we are,
Speaker 4: what we've become, what you know, where we're at, and
Speaker 4: the direction we would like to go as as a whole,
Speaker 4: and really life span about unity. It's about how do
Speaker 4: we unify one another, regardless of race, regardless of faith,
Speaker 4: you know, because it's there's so much segregation in society today.
Speaker 4: It's a shame and due to the fact that we
Speaker 4: can't all get along and all can't at least be
Speaker 4: in the same ballpark, you know, I feel that the
Speaker 4: future for all of us as people is in jeopardy,
Speaker 4: and so I try not to. I don't mean it
Speaker 4: to sound like it's a you know, it's a bummer.
Speaker 4: Society is a downer.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of beautiful things, and we
Speaker 4: have so much in common regardless of where we live with,
Speaker 4: regardless of what we're doing. What are you know what
Speaker 4: we love doing because we all share the same planet
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, and we have to
Speaker 4: preserve something for the generations that are yet to come,
Speaker 4: not just the children of today, but the generations.
Speaker 3: That are yet to come.
Speaker 4: And so I try to go through life, I always
Speaker 4: ask myself this question, if I had thirty seconds to
Speaker 4: address the entire world, what would I say? And knowing
Speaker 4: that those thirty seconds could impact the world and the
Speaker 4: people within it, and and so I always try to
Speaker 4: think in that aspect and and try to guide my
Speaker 4: life in that way as well, you know, because it
Speaker 4: is it's so important. I mean, you look at what
Speaker 4: we do on Yellowstone. It's not just entertainment, you know,
Speaker 4: it's educating. It's it's also inspiring, you know, and so
Speaker 4: we inspire people to do things. And and so our
Speaker 4: show is very heavy. I mean, thank goodness for your
Speaker 4: guys's character is because that's the enlightening part.
Speaker 3: And it brings you know, it brings.
Speaker 4: Laughter and and it has that feel good and so
Speaker 4: we we are always constantly educating and and so if
Speaker 4: we're not continuously learning ourselves. This is my grandfather, my grandfather,
Speaker 4: Philip brings plenty always said this, you will always be
Speaker 4: a student of life as long as you're willing to learn,
Speaker 4: and as when you're willing to learn, you're going to
Speaker 4: be able to teach others. And so other than that,
Speaker 4: you become stagnant and what they call flat line. Basically,
Speaker 4: you know, you got to have your ups and downs.
Speaker 4: And my grandpa Cila Black Crow shared that he goes,
Speaker 4: you got to have ups and downs in life, grandson,
Speaker 4: And the reason why you have those ups and downs
Speaker 4: in life is because it's a it's a good indication,
Speaker 4: it's a sign to you to let you know that
Speaker 4: you are truly alive.
Speaker 2: Just when you were talking there, I'd never seen the
Speaker 2: mof so I feel like you're doing that thing again
Speaker 2: where you're like you're changing me in this moment just
Speaker 2: talking to you. You were talking about the ups and
Speaker 2: downs and that when you're stagnant, they call it flat line,
Speaker 2: and I just had this image of like a heart
Speaker 2: monitor that when there are no ups and downs, it's
Speaker 2: essentially you're just you're a little dead. You're a little
Speaker 2: bit like the walking dead. And I think that so much.
Speaker 2: I find that unfortunately, so much of our days are
Speaker 2: oftentimes spent in the pursuit of things that aren't going
Speaker 2: to give us ups and downs because we don't want
Speaker 2: to feel. But the important thing is to feel, is
Speaker 2: to grow, is to learn, is to mess up.
Speaker 4: You have to, I mean, you know, that's where it's
Speaker 4: okay to make mistakes as long as we're learning, you know,
Speaker 4: and we will never know what we where we're at,
Speaker 4: where we're at, we will never know the growth of
Speaker 4: ourselves if we don't make a mistake. And and so
Speaker 4: it's fine to make mistakes as long as we understand
Speaker 4: and know, Okay, all right, I'm not gonna do that again,
Speaker 4: and so we continue to grow. I mean, it's just
Speaker 4: it's no different than riding a horse.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: If you do something on a horse and that horse
Speaker 4: decides to break in two and buck you off, then
Speaker 4: you're gonna know, okay, I know, not to do that
Speaker 4: with that horse, because not every horse is the same,
Speaker 4: you know, and and so you have to Each horse
Speaker 4: has their own personality, and so you have to try
Speaker 4: to understand those personalities and coexist with them and work
Speaker 4: together with them, you know. And so that's why I
Speaker 4: love horses so much. They taught me.
Speaker 2: So much in that I got I had like so
Speaker 2: many questions, but I'll start with the horse one and
Speaker 2: then move back. One of the things that I felt
Speaker 2: is that my life has been changed by working with
Speaker 2: horses more and I come, you know, I don't have
Speaker 2: that history. I'm wondering if there are certain things that
Speaker 2: you might be able to pinpoint that you see as
Speaker 2: a benefit from working with the animal, like the horse
Speaker 2: and being in relationship with it. I think it's something
Speaker 2: that society is missing out on a lot the more
Speaker 2: we become attached to technology, computers, et cetera, and leave
Speaker 2: that other part behind, you.
Speaker 4: Know, when it comes to horses. The point blank, I'm
Speaker 4: going to go to a cultural traditional teaching. Horses are
Speaker 4: the bridge between the physical and the spiritual. They are
Speaker 4: what we consider our physical angels. And not only in
Speaker 4: the physical life do they carry us and are they
Speaker 4: there for us? But also and when we make that
Speaker 4: transition in life into the next, they're the ones that
Speaker 4: are there. The greatest relationship that we've had with one
Speaker 4: particular horse, that horse will also make that transition to
Speaker 4: carry us home. And so the horse has taught me
Speaker 4: self respect, It is taught me how to be able
Speaker 4: to communicate or be observant and communicate without words. I
Speaker 4: don't have to speak someone's language to understand their body language.
Speaker 4: And so the horse has taught me how to be
Speaker 4: a leader and from in my own life, not be
Speaker 4: a leader for others, but a leader in my own life.
Speaker 4: Because we've been taught to be followers so much that
Speaker 4: we don't know how to be a leader in our
Speaker 4: own lives. So we end up trying to follow our
Speaker 4: own life. And when we follow our own life, we
Speaker 4: end up just following whatever's thrown at us. And so
Speaker 4: to be a leader, we know how to observe it
Speaker 4: and make a decision, a proper decision.
Speaker 3: And navigate a way through in that aspect.
Speaker 4: And so that's all teachings from the horses.
Speaker 1: I don't want to take too much of your time
Speaker 1: because you're out doing cowboy shit, and you know it'd
Speaker 1: be just I don't want to get in the way
Speaker 1: of that you mentioned earlier, a tenant that you live by,
Speaker 1: this idea that you want to be ready if anybody
Speaker 1: ever tells you, hey, you have thirty seconds to speak
Speaker 1: to the whole world. And I hate to put you
Speaker 1: on the spot because you've spent about forty minutes teaching us,
Speaker 1: telling us incredible things. But if I said you have
Speaker 1: thirty seconds to speak to the whole world, what would
Speaker 1: you say? What do you think distills all of your
Speaker 1: worldview into thirty seconds?
Speaker 3: Thirty seconds? Life is not just about yourself.
Speaker 4: Understand and know it's about the children and the generations
Speaker 4: to come.
Speaker 3: And when we can fully.
Speaker 4: Understand that, then we will understand and know that we
Speaker 4: have the power and the ability to preserve and care for.
Speaker 3: The environment so we can pass it, pass on a
Speaker 3: healthy world to them.
Speaker 4: And understand and know that diversity is not just about
Speaker 4: skin color. We have to embrace the cultural diversity. When
Speaker 4: we embrace cultural diversity, then we truly have the ability
Speaker 4: to acknowledge and embrace that the Creator is honestly perfect.
Speaker 4: If it's just about skin color but not culture, then
Speaker 4: we are doubting.
Speaker 3: That the Creator is truly perfect? Is that thirty seconds?
Speaker 1: That was amazing perfect? Thank you so much for spending
Speaker 1: this time with us today. Thank you for your friendship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for pulling over on the highway on your way
Speaker 1: now pick up a horse. Believe me, Yellowstone fans would
Speaker 1: not want you to slow down. Yellowstone fans are grateful
Speaker 1: that you're out there getting these shows made. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for joining us, Moe. Thank you
Speaker 1: for everything you do to bring the Yellowstone Universe to life.
Speaker 1: Talk to you real soon.
Speaker 3: Thank you, guys.
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