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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Moon Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. John schmult pulled Latino with

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Speaker 1: you the phone numbers two, one, four, five on three

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Speaker 1: hashtag Giants chat on Twitter if you want to get

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Speaker 1: in touch with us that way, you can well of

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Speaker 1: art stapling and joining us in just a moment as

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Speaker 1: you get ready for Mandatory Minicamp, which begins on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: here at the Quest Diagnostics Training Center. Just to reminder, folks,

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Speaker 1: are shows this week on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday will

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Speaker 1: begin at one thirty to accommodate practice time and media

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Speaker 1: availability to make sure you tune and then of course

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Speaker 1: the shows that we posted an archive forum and get

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Speaker 1: put up on your favorite podcast platform as well. Paul,

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Speaker 1: how was your weekend doing alright? John? By the way,

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Speaker 1: those shows are mandatory, just like mini camp is, yes

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Speaker 1: and just and just to remind there by the way,

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Speaker 1: that meant that the rules for mandatory mini camp for

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Speaker 1: the same as a TIS, except it's mandatory. Given that

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Speaker 1: the Giants attendance and otis has been spectacular and really

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Speaker 1: It's basically a continuation of ota is given the attendance.

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Speaker 1: So otherwise the rules in terms of contact things like that,

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Speaker 1: everything's identically the only thing that you may see. And

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Speaker 1: I've had a few people get me up on the

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Speaker 1: Twitter that not all the Giants drapp choices have actually

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Speaker 1: signed their deals yet for the season. Now, what happens

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Speaker 1: at the mandatory minicamp is if the player is going

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Speaker 1: you then have issues with the whole legalities of that situation.

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Speaker 1: The Giants would and the Giants would take care of

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Speaker 1: those guys obviously if an injury did happen anyway, but

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Speaker 1: the agents usually get very sticky with those kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: So if if you see tweets from the writer's coming out,

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Speaker 1: oh so it those not practicing mandatory manicamp. So those

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Speaker 1: little bit of a stickler about it. It's not a

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Speaker 1: big deal because all these rookies are slotted anyway, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is the only negotiation that's

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Speaker 1: going to take place between the team and any of

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Speaker 1: these folks now is how much money is guaranteed, how

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Speaker 1: much money is going to be in there for incentives, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: How much can be deferred if the signs another team exactly,

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Speaker 1: Because the total packages, everybody pretty much knows what everybody's

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Speaker 1: gonna get. All right, let's get to our guests. It's

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Speaker 1: art Stable Day covers the Giants for the Record North

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Speaker 1: Jersey dot Com USA today as well. It's all presented

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Speaker 1: by Corps Light. Aren't you got smelking to tinow? How

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Speaker 1: are you pal? Hello guys and hey guys and just

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Speaker 1: marveling at that impression. I don't know if that sounded

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Speaker 1: like me, well, the writers saying such such a practicing.

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Speaker 1: I think it's only the three first rounders, right, everybody

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Speaker 1: else is under his other contract. Yeah, I would expect,

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Speaker 1: I would expect all those guys. But look, every time

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Speaker 1: out so you know the deal. I mean, come on, Mark,

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Speaker 1: let's be real of course that it's mandatory. I mean,

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Speaker 1: It's about kind of trying to keep track of everything

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Speaker 1: when that's cleared up by the coach, then you know,

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Speaker 1: the fat. But I agree with the interesting the other,

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Speaker 1: the other aspect of it, Milk. I heard you laying

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Speaker 1: So that's the spot that I love watching. And I

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Speaker 1: for O'Dell uh and o V. You know what's interesting

429
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Speaker 1: were you just mentioned about handling the pressure. Look, you know,

430
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Speaker 1: because of how highly recruited he was, I mean, talk

431
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Speaker 1: about decorated in high school. You've already gone through his accolades.

432
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Speaker 1: When he went to Michigan, there was as much pressure

433
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Speaker 1: on any athlete at the time when he took that

434
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Speaker 1: jump to play at the Big House, and he handled

435
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: that fine. And then he gets through Michigan and he's

436
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Speaker 1: the number one pick in the NFL draft, and he

437
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: handled that fine. I don't sense that there's any worry

438
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Speaker 1: about his demeanor and his ability to handle the challenges

439
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 1: of coming into this defense. At least that's how I

440
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, you know, I don't think necessarily that

441
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: it's it's on him. I think there the pressure of

442
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Speaker 1: of going in New Jersey. I mean, talked to the

443
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Speaker 1: Cruz what it was like to be a star in

444
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Speaker 1: New Jersey when you have everyone, you know fifteen miles

445
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: away from where he played, but everybody wants a piece

446
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: of of what you got, you know, I mean when

447
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: we know and not drawing any car lels. We've seen

448
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 1: it work for a guy like Victor Cruz. We've seen

449
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: it not work for a guy like Will Hill, who

450
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 1: being in New Jersey was not a good thing for him.

451
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Speaker 1: But I'm not drawing any parallels to Peppers. Just the

452
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: thought of idea of look, coming home could really work.

453
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Speaker 1: Coming home could be very hard for guys to come home. Uh,

454
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Speaker 1: And I think you know, look, Peppers is going to

455
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Speaker 1: be in a situation. I mean I put out a

456
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Speaker 1: photo when I ran a feature on him last year

457
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: last week, Peppers, you know he was highs ONEN finalist.

458
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: I mean it was Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson,

459
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: Jabrol Peppers, and Indeedy Westbrook, who obviously is you know,

460
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: his career has not matched the other guys so far

461
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but he's still in the NFL. So

462
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: Peppers is on that level mentality wise, that's where he

463
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Speaker 1: believes he belongs and he he thinks he's that kind

464
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Speaker 1: of star in this NFL, and I think the Giants

465
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Speaker 1: are hoping that they reap the benefits. Yeah, and just

466
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: one more thing on I'm real quick are and then

467
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Speaker 1: I moved to the offense. People also to remember that

468
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: they used them in a hybrid role in Michigan and

469
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Speaker 1: his adjustment to the NFL, which is really the only

470
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Speaker 1: reason he dropped. I think what seventeenth overall in in

471
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Speaker 1: in the draft that year he went to Cleveland was

472
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Speaker 1: because he basically played linebacker at Michigan and the cover

473
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Speaker 1: stuff was always going to come on late for him.

474
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Speaker 1: So you know, the third year for him is going

475
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: to be a big one, especially when it comes to

476
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Speaker 1: the coverage offensive wise, right, Am I wrong for the

477
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: first time in seven eight years to actually feel pretty

478
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Speaker 1: confident about what I'm gonna get out of the offensive line? Well?

479
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: Right now? You know, if you if you want to

480
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Speaker 1: take the medical reports as you know, at face value,

481
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Speaker 1: and that Nates Soldier will be fine, and I believe

482
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Speaker 1: he will be off of the arthroscopic ankle surgery, and

483
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 1: I think he'll be fine and ready to go in

484
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Speaker 1: in training camp. And you know, Mike Grammars was upbeat

485
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: when he met with us last week. I mean he

486
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: was very upbeat, said, you know, all the right things,

487
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: anxious to be here, eager moving back to his natural

488
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: position of right tackle. I think he's a good one

489
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Speaker 1: year option, um. And I don't mean to disrespect him

490
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Speaker 1: in any way by just saying one year, but I

491
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: think the Giants want to get younger across the front um. Look,

492
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Speaker 1: I think you've got guys that you know you can

493
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Speaker 1: count on. Zeitler at right guard should make a huge

494
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Speaker 1: difference to the center and to the guy to the

495
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Speaker 1: right of him. I mean, let's be honest, Uh, you know,

496
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: Patrick O. Mamy as much as we want to talk

497
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: about make you know what he was able to do

498
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: well off the field, and he fit in the locker

499
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: room last year. He's not Kevin Zeisler is, you know,

500
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: a harder times the player that Patrick mom May ever was.

501
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: He comes here with a resume. Momy comes here with it,

502
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: came here with a projection of what they thought he

503
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: could be based on um, you know, pro personnel scouting reports.

504
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's essentially what happened. Um and they were

505
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: a lot more desperate last year. So I think Zeitler

506
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: makes a difference in this offensive line so huge. And

507
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: then you can't look you can't look beyond what happened

508
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: in the second half last year with Nate Soldier and

509
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Speaker 1: Will Hernandez and how they've come together and the trust

510
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Speaker 1: factor there, the fact that Hernandez is not a rookie.

511
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Speaker 1: You know, he joked with me last year midway through

512
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Speaker 1: the year that you know, Soldier can finally stop carrying him,

513
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Speaker 1: that he can carry his own weight now, Um, you know,

514
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Speaker 1: and Soldier and I do believe talking to people behind

515
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: the scenes that um, you know, Nate Soldiers game, not

516
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Speaker 1: that it took a hit because he was helping out

517
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Speaker 1: Hernandez so much, but playing against a rookie at the

518
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Speaker 1: level of competition that Hernandez played at at Utah, I

519
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: think that certainly was different for Nate. Uh. And I

520
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: think by the end of the year those two on

521
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Speaker 1: that left side truly became a unit. Uh. And I

522
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: think they're hoping that Remers and Zeitler can be that

523
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Speaker 1: on the right side. And then you have the battle

524
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Speaker 1: with Halapio and Polly at center. So absolutely long winded

525
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: and here to what you what you said, John, is

526
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Speaker 1: that on June three, this offensive line isn't in as

527
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: about as good as shape as it can be. UM

528
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: going forward, We're not putting anyone up for the Pro

529
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Speaker 1: Bowl yet. You know, I don't think they need that

530
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: to be a successful offensive unit, but just be competent

531
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Speaker 1: across the line. I mean, when did they become competent

532
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: last year? UM as a unit? Uh? Maybe the Washington

533
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: game in in DC. Other than that, when were they

534
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: truly one through five a competent unit? And say Kwan

535
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned that last week. It's all about you know,

536
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: running the game. Running the ball is his art, he said,

537
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: running his art, and not me who for the masterpiece?

538
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: You have how you have to have everybody together. Uh,

539
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of what they have to

540
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: be hopeful for about this offensive line is that these

541
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: guys have all done it before, uh, in certain aspects

542
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: and I think coming together. Um, I think, look, they

543
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: gotta go out and do it now. But there are

544
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: no excuses in terms of resumes. All of these guys

545
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: have done it in one way, shape or form. You know.

546
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: The other part of that equation art is that in

547
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: years past, when the Giants offensive line, who had a

548
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: lot of cracks and a lot of a lot of

549
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: broken parts to it, even the backup guys were basically

550
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: spare parts from other teams who are a journeymen and

551
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: probably at the end of their rope and not gonna

552
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: really challenge or push anybody. The bottom line is right

553
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: now in this camp, even if you put down the

554
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: five guys who you think are starters, Okay, the loser

555
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: at center is good enough to play guard in this league,

556
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: then you've got guys like Evan Brown. You've got guys

557
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: like O'Hagan, who's a really good center prospect coming out

558
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: of school. Uh, you've got real or who I think

559
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: if he loses the Rember's battle is a solid or

560
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: decent number three tackle. All of a sudden, it's like,

561
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: wait a minute. Even the depth on the offensive line

562
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: is now young, with some guys who actually might be decent,

563
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: solid backups as opposed to just spare parts. And you

564
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: and I both know you're not gonna go through the

565
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: entire season thinking that all five offensive linemen are gonna

566
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: stay healthy. That's just not gonna happen. So it's it's

567
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 1: equally important that their backups are young and full of

568
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: talent and potential as it is to have five starters

569
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: who you can put out there in Week one. Yeah,

570
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: I agree, And you didn't even um you even mentioned

571
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: Big George over And eventually, eventually we'll all be able

572
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: to pronounce his name. And I'm not forgetting I kind

573
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: of just right now because I I don't want to

574
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: flip the hyphenated last name and say it the wrong way.

575
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: But you know, he's a guy who is really big

576
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: and and to some extent Paul Evans as well the

577
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents. He's got the time at tackle. I mean,

578
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm Pat Sherman and I'm the coaching staff,

579
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean I like what I have at the top five. Obviously,

580
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: this is the offensive line you want to go to

581
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: war with. But you need to worry about now moving forward.

582
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: It's Dave Gentleman's job to to not make this a

583
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: yearly occurrence. You do not want to next year. Now, Okay,

584
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: Mike Grammer's isn't gonna be your guy at right tackle

585
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: because he's decided that. You know he's gonna do whatever.

586
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: Um you know he's put You know he will will

587
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: be thirty next year and thirty one when season starts.

588
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: You want to get younger. Okay, Now, you got to

589
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: go back to the draft. Now you gotta decide if

590
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna take a tackle in the first round, and

591
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: you gotta do you want to develop these guys. You

592
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: need to develop and and the previous regime did not

593
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: develop offensive lineman and it's very difficult in today's game

594
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: to develop offensive lineman. But to me, a priority needs

595
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: to be finding that other tackle. Now, I agree with

596
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: you about Chad Wheeler. I think Chad Wheeler is the

597
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: perfect swing tackle to have on this team. He's not

598
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: a perfect player, but I do believe that if you

599
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: haven't an instance where you need a start or two

600
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: and need to put Wheeler in there. I think Wheeler

601
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: can do an okay job and ask good job. He

602
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: even has a great game, and you know he does well,

603
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: So I I think that's the perfect role for him.

604
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: But I gotta if I'm Pat Shermer and I'm half

605
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: Hunter and I'm looking at it, I'm putting as much

606
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: effort as I can into Big George and Paul Evans

607
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: and saying, you know what, I gotta find someone here

608
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: that that can be our future right tackle because you

609
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have Solder. I want, you know it.

610
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: So if I can get save Big George becomes their

611
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: right tackle next year. And now you go into the draft,

612
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: and now you say, okay, we're just gonna draft. We're

613
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: gonna draft for the best possible left tackle to replace

614
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: Solder in a year. Now, all of a sudden, you

615
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: got something cooking on your offensive line with a lot

616
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: of young guys. You have Hernandez still here, So I

617
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: think that's kind of the way to go. Last one

618
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: for me are and I'll let Paul touch on the

619
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Speaker 1: offensive Skoll position. Guys, just real briefly, your thoughts on

620
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: what you've seen of Daniel Jones so far, to me, physically,

621
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: he looks like an NFL quarterback. You can make all

622
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: the throws, obviously, all the stuff that changes when you

623
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: get in game situations, you get in pressure, decision making,

624
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: accuracy under pressure. We'll see about all that when we

625
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: get in the game situations. But simply from physically being

626
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: able to handle the position, I think he's showed me

627
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: all I need to see to show that. From that

628
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: arm strength and you know, moving around and that sort

629
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: of stuff, he fits the part. I would agree. I think, um,

630
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, you come out of his draft and you

631
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: hear all the scouting reports and you thought this was

632
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: gonna be be a guy who couldn't throw the ball

633
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: ten yards and you know he was off target all

634
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: the time, and you know, look he If you're judging

635
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: based on what you see at O T S, I've

636
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: seen nothing from Daniel Jones to think, boy, this guy

637
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: is no way going to be a quarterback in this league,

638
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: let alone a guy who's going to replace Eli Manning

639
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: and become the quarterback of the New York Giants. I

640
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: think he has better arm strength, and I thought one

641
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: thing I wish I saw more of, And I think

642
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Speaker 1: that's just based on the limited times we get to

643
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Speaker 1: watch the O T A S. Is more downfield stuff.

644
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: It just so happens. You know. Patchelon will say, look,

645
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Speaker 1: I didn't do it. I didn't do it on purpose.

646
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Speaker 1: But a lot of the two media sessions that we

647
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: were there for O T A S. Was a lot

648
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: of horizontal stuff. Wasn't a lot of vertical stuff. You know,

649
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Speaker 1: you may have seen a lot more of that. You

650
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: can be more confident in seeing him go vertical, whereas

651
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we have to keep in mind what

652
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: we're seeing is based on a script and not necessarily

653
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, hiding things that they don't want to the

654
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: media to see. Daniel Jones throw the ball thirty five yards.

655
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Speaker 1: Um So I like that. I do think that there

656
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: is a more more of a comfort level than I

657
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: see from him that any quarterback that was here the

658
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: last two years. And even though I'm back to Ben McAdoo, Uh,

659
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: Jones just looks comfortable coming out of the coming out

660
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: from under center and rolling out left or right. He

661
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: just looks. We know how hard Eli Manning how to

662
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: work to get to that point, that level of comfort.

663
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 1: I think Daniel Jones just looks natural, and I like

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Speaker 1: that Patch Sharmer's offense, so I could see why Jones

665
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Speaker 1: is the guy that they picked. Uh, not only because

666
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: they believe in him, but they believe in he is

667
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Speaker 1: the best fit for Pat Shermer and this offense and

668
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: where the NFL is going. So I do like a

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Speaker 1: lot of what I've seen from Daniel Jones. I'm not

670
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Speaker 1: ready to sell all of a sudden saying he should

671
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: be starting Week one, which I'm sure we'll be getting

672
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: that at some point this week from someone out there.

673
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Speaker 1: Of course, I do like the way I do like

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Speaker 1: the way he's progressed so far. And all right, I'll

675
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Speaker 1: wrap up my my part of this by asking you

676
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: about something that we have discussed with the fans. Now.

677
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: It seems as though for the last month and a

678
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: half and no one has come up with a concrete answer,

679
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: quite honestly, because there isn't one right now, But who

680
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: who is the number three wide receiver and who is

681
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: the number three running back in Week one? Uh? I

682
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: still think that Corey Coleman has the edge at number

683
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Speaker 1: three receiver, and I still think that Paul Perkins has

684
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Speaker 1: the edge of being the number three back. But I

685
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: don't think those spots are at all solidified. How curious

686
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: are you to see who those guys turn out to be?

687
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: Very very curious. And I think Perkin, as you mentioned obviously, um,

688
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: I think it was a big statement for him and

689
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: how he performed last year without being on the field

690
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: and being in the facility, because it's obvious that this

691
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: regime would not have kept Paul Perkins around if he

692
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: wasn't the exact type of professional that they wanted to

693
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: see in this building. It would have been very easy

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Speaker 1: for them to cut the cup of ties with Paul

695
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: Perkins and send him away last year after he came

696
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Speaker 1: to the team, or for suffering an injury away from

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Speaker 1: the team. So that being said, I do like Perkins

698
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Speaker 1: for that number three spot. It will be interesting to

699
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Speaker 1: see how he battles with Rod Smith, the veteran they

700
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Speaker 1: bring in, and where Wayne Golman fits. You know, I

701
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: think if you listen and listen to what Pat Summer

702
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: said last year and a lot of what the team

703
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: had said, that Golman was a lot closer to one B,

704
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: which you know, obviously not taking anything away from Sakewam,

705
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Speaker 1: but I'm just saying he's a lot closer to a

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Speaker 1: guy who deserves to have reps in the game. You know,

707
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: this is this is a series for Wayne, you know

708
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So is he entrenched the number

709
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: two or can those other two guys push Dolman to

710
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: the point where you know, now they have to make

711
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: decisions and say we we like a veteran and now

712
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: it's Perkins or Dolman. I don't know. But for the

713
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: receiver aspect, the one thing I think that hurts Corey

714
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: Coleman is the fact that if Jabrol Peppers is your

715
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: return guy, um, Corey Coleman doesn't play on special teams

716
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: the way Corey, Cody Lattimer and Russell Shepherd do, and

717
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: those guys are core special teams guys, non returning guys.

718
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: You know, Lattimer is a very good a very good gunner.

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Speaker 1: You know, Shepherd's played in the middle of all your

720
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: special teams guys. So I think that's kind of that

721
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: tough spot. I do think they like what Cody Lattimer

722
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: to the table last year in limited time. Obviously he

723
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: hurts his hamstring on special teams covering a punt, But

724
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Speaker 1: I think they like Ladder, So I would say Lattimer

725
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: might be your number three. You don't think Coleman's gonna

726
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: return kickoffs, then you you don't think he's going to

727
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: be part of specials at all, Peppers, might you think? Honestly?

728
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't know. I I don't know

729
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: when we talked to Thomas mcgaey, when we talked to

730
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: the coordinators, I guess it was two weeks ago and

731
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: we had our coordinator assistant coach day. Um. You know,

732
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: he made it seem like Peppers was the guy kickoffs

733
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: and punts. Now that may change, um, And obviously that

734
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: could be a way to for Coleman to to lock

735
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: his spot down. And they obviously like Coleman. You know

736
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: I made the comments about Paul Perkins. They obviously like

737
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Speaker 1: Coleman because they not only brought him back, but they

738
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: signed him to the contract above the r f A,

739
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, to make sure that he was here and

740
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: they didn't want to just let him go and say

741
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: you're out here, Corey. So it's interesting. A lot of

742
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: it will come down to injuries, but I do I

743
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: do like Laddimer in that spot as well. I mean,

744
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: he did show last year that he could be a

745
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: deep threat. I mean there were times where I think

746
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: there was a play that I obsessed over that I

747
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: only even remember. It was the preseason or the regular season,

748
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: where he had the defender beat on a deep on

749
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: a deeper route by about ten yards, and I had

750
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: said that I felt as though Elile underthrew him and

751
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: he had to come back, but he would have hit

752
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: the touchdown in the end zone. And I remember that play.

753
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: That was Cody Lattimer's speed. And then you look at

754
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: the way he finished last year. Laddimer, that big game

755
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: he had against the Cowboys, I think kind of convinced

756
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: the Giants to to give him another shot here and

757
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: to bring him back. So, um, I think you need

758
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: a vertical threat. So if it's if it's Lattimer or

759
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: if it's Coleman, or if it's both, I think you

760
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: need that guy that's going to be able to stretch

761
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: the field. Not that Shepherd uh Sterling or or Golden

762
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: Tape can, but I do think that those guys and

763
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram possess something that that this offense will end

764
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: up needing, especially early on if teams try to start

765
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: playing differently and stacking the box against all Right, we

766
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: appreciate it. We'll see here tomorrow and we'll get a

767
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: few more practices before we can all take a little

768
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: bit of a break, which I know we're looking forward to,

769
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: but Paul is dreading appreciate it. That's Art Stableton again.

770
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: Big We Go Live is presented by Corps Light. Will

771
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: take your calls in your tweets the rest of the way.

772
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: At two O four five one three, let's go to

773
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: our caller has been winning the longest. That's Bobby Dad

774
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: in Florida. Who will lead us off? Bobby? What's going on? Hey, guys,

775
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: Mark mclaurin's the safety out of Mississippi State. At the

776
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent guy linebacker? I thought, all right, is

777
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: he a linebacker? We're wrong about that? Well yeah, yeah.

778
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: Art mentioned in his article today that they were playing

779
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: him at linebacker. And here's someone who played Nicole and

780
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: the box use them in different ways. Are they using

781
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: him on eleven and eleven in practice? Or like, how

782
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: did they see him using him? He's been there third

783
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: ring inside linebacker if I'm not mistaken. He actually had

784
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: an interception last week. He's an interesting physical specimen. I'll

785
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: tell you that. Okay, Yeah, because he's someone that intrigued

786
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: me because you know better likes to run that like

787
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: that run Rover money back or whatever you want to

788
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: call it. Yeah, he is smaller, you know, he's a

789
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: guy that is probably size more like a dB. He's

790
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: six one to twelve. He's at a Mississippi State, so

791
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: he's small for a linebacker. But like you said, if

792
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: he's filling that Dion Buchanan type of role, maybe that's

793
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: where they maybe see him fitting. Yeah, and Ta Davis

794
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: was someone who played you know, three years of safety

795
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: at University Tennessee at Chattanooga. Um, can you see him

796
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: being someone that actually like battles for like that fifty

797
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: three man roster or is he gonna have to make

798
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: his money on the practice squad mclauren or Davis? I

799
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: would guess right now, given he's with the third team

800
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: practice squad. But who knows. When we get to this

801
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: the summer, maybe he does big things in the game,

802
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: but does big things in practice. Things can change. Sure, alright,

803
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: got appreciate you, Hey, thanks for quoting, and Bobby, we

804
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: appreciate it. By the way, here is the quote that

805
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: Art referenced via mcgazey. Only look at this becauseess usually

806
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: everyone else is over there typing all this stuff, so

807
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: I won't actually paying attention to give me good informations.

808
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: Pays attention. I know he does a great job. If

809
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: I haven't down here every day, I could. Unfortunately they

810
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: haven't busy doing other things they doesn't get credit for all. Right,

811
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Speaker 1: what do you like about your brol Peppers? About your

812
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: return guy? Uh? This is the quote for mcgahey high energy.

813
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: The guy is a for sure ball handler, can make

814
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: all the cuts full speed. He just brings juice. I've

815
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: known the kids since he was sixteen. I recruited him

816
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: when I was at else You your Bill is a

817
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: special athlete. He can do anything, run the football, catch

818
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: the football, whatever. And then he got asked a question,

819
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: we'll we have both kick return and return responsibilities, and

820
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: he answered, yes, he's going to do everything. We will

821
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: see you know, he he is the starting um strong safety.

822
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: So if the Giants fully commit him to being on

823
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: specials full time, you do want to want to kind

824
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: of peel that back of tad. I would think you

825
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: might take him off coverage units. Then if he shows that,

826
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, it could deteriorate some of his other skills. Yeah,

827
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be both primary return guys, I probably

828
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: would not have him on both cover units. You know, Hey,

829
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: I know this. I know receivers who in years passed

830
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: even Dominic Kickson, who did both. He was a gunner

831
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: plus he was a kickoff returner and a part returner,

832
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: and then he became a full time starting wide receiver

833
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: when Plexico remember lattim or two they return and was

834
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: a gunner last year too. Yeah, and and and Hicks

835
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: has it said to me many times, it does take

836
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: something out of you in your standard snap set when

837
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: you are full time on special teams. It just it

838
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: just takes some of your gas tank away to a

839
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Speaker 1: one nine four five one three, Ryan and Virginia's up next?

840
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: Hey Ryan, Hey, what's going on? Gentlemen? All right, well,

841
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: good Ryan, what's up? Not much man, And it's been

842
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: a first been a big fan of Big Wow. Thanks

843
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: for calling in, Ryan. What's up? Yeah? Uh, just got

844
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: two things who are potentially three. Um. This is when

845
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: I said I updated, I'm I'm really intrigued to see

846
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: the battle um between Um Sam, Sam Bill and DeAndre Baker.

847
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: I think with the the young defensive bat call I

848
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: think we can have potentially something special. Obviously gonna take

849
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: take a little bit of time with UM having three, three, four,

850
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: maybe five new stars in the defensive back hill and

851
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: also really intrigued to see, Um, who's gonna be the

852
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: third down back? Um, I gotta fake wine. Is gonna

853
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: be Wayne Goldman, It's gonna be Paul Perkins. UM. I

854
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: was a real big fan of Paul Perkins when we

855
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: drafted him a couple of years ago. UM, I think

856
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: he has UM. He doesn't have that that that breakaway

857
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: type of game and speed. I remember one game against

858
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: Chicago he kind of caught went out in the flat

859
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: to me like the mean cut and Um. The Minnesota

860
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: game in particular a couple of years ago was where

861
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: he really made his splash play. Ryan, I'll be honest

862
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: with you, I don't think there's going to be a

863
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: third down back role because I think Sae Kwon Barkley

864
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: is your third down back. One of his best skills

865
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: is as a wide receiver. I don't believe the Giants

866
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: will take him off the field on third down. That

867
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: there might be situations where they're getting Wayne Goldman a

868
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: series is he and he therefore is on the field

869
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: on a third down. But if Barkley is in the

870
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: game on first and second down, they're not taking him

871
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: off the field on third down. He's way too big

872
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: of a weapon I's ever seen. I'd agree with John

873
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: on that, but I do think if you're going to

874
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: give him an occasional uh spot, I could see Perkins

875
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: being that guy if it happens to be in a

876
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: third down situation about five wide, you know, I mean,

877
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: he was the one thing about Perkins. Okay, Perkins showed

878
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: when he was at U c. L A. He was

879
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: best when there was space. And and here was the problem.

880
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: When he got to the Giants a couple of years

881
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: back as a rookie, there was not space. Okay, he's

882
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: still ran for four and fifty yards as a rookie

883
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: and over four yards of carrying he still did that.

884
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: Was he over four yards? Oh yeah, go look it up.

885
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: I didn't remember. And and and it's hard to believe

886
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: because there was no space behind that offensive line. Okay, so,

887
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: but but he's at his best when he is in space.

888
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: So to me, I really believe now that the line

889
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: is better, and if you could get him out into

890
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: space again, he's a reserve and John's right, Barkley is

891
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: gonna get most of the snaps, but I could see

892
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: there being situations where if you need, he can do

893
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: some things by getting the ball outside and working some

894
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: some magic with his feet. I think Paul Perkins has

895
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: skills and I'm not I'm not backing off of that.

896
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: And then I got one more question. I can take

897
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: this one uh off there. I know everybody has been

898
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: elies this elives that, but new Personally, I think he's

899
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: going to have a pretty solid season. I think he's

900
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: at his best when he's able to spread the spread

901
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 1: the wealth of him and Um, I don't know the numbers.

902
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: I'd love to get a stance to take a look

903
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: at him. Um, I think e won. His numbers are

904
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: actually a little bit worse when he tried to force

905
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: the ball to Um like the Hodel Beckham ga. Not

906
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: taking anything away from me, he's one of the most

907
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: electric fining players in the league in general, but this

908
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: one that gets you guys his feedback on on that,

909
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: because I think what's at the end of the year,

910
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: especially not playing with O b J. I think they

911
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: had some of their best offensive performance, especially the Landsfoort games,

912
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: of the year. Well, there's something that kind of goes

913
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: hand in hand with this, And if you'll bear with

914
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: me just a second, I want to explain part of

915
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: the reason a lot of times where the Giants had

916
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: to force the ball to Beckham was because Beckham had

917
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: a ridiculous amount of skill in terms of getting open quickly. Okay,

918
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: especially on that slant and with Eli trying to get

919
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: rid of the ball. What was it two point one seconds, John,

920
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: Is that what he was doing? Okay, it was under

921
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: two and a half. He basically had to do that

922
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: because the line was so suspect that he had to

923
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: get rid of the predominant number of his passes and

924
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: under two and a half seconds. Well, given that factor,

925
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: isn't any wonder that he would force the ball to

926
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Beckham as much as possible because Beckham was the guy

927
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: most likely to be open inside of two and a

928
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: half seconds. Okay, So you see how this kind of

929
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of messes that nothing is ever on an island.

930
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: There's always an inciliary part to this. And now what

931
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: you saw during the second half of the season, of

932
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: which Beckham was there for a bit, and then of

933
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: course Mr December, is that the line was better and

934
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: the line was holding up. So now Eli could hold

935
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: the ball a little bit longer, which gave all the

936
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: receivers a better chance to develop their routes and a

937
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: better chance to get away, which meant that Eli now

938
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: in turn, could pick out the most favorable target down

939
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: the field. This all works hand in hand. This is

940
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: why I keep telling people John, the offensive line is

941
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: the root of every thing, because if you've got an

942
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: offensive line, every single thing Spider webs off of a

943
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: productive and solid offensive line. So, yes, Eli is going

944
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: to have more time this year. He's gonna be able

945
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: to pick out more targets. He's gonna be able to

946
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: find the right target. They're gonna be able to write

947
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: a run, better routes. It's it's all gonna be good.

948
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: Do you remember his first point I was going to

949
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: comment on he had three points. His second point, Oh,

950
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: his second point was about the third Hamn. Back then

951
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: he was thinking about the bio and Baker. Yeah, that's right,

952
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, I appreciate it. And uh, thanks for the call, man,

953
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: and thanks for being such a loyal listener and watch her.

954
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. I know he's not gonna take the

955
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: answer off the air, so I'll give to you off

956
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: the air, Ryan Um. I think it was pretty telling

957
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: that Baker was starting to take some of Bill spots

958
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: as first team corner late last week. I'm curious to

959
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: see if that was a maintenance thing for Bell, or

960
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: if it's you know, something that we don't know about

961
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: because the coaches don't talk after not media practice, or

962
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't a performance that I had to be

963
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: off the field. I don't know any of the answer

964
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: to any of those questions, So I'm curious to see

965
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: how much Baker's with the first teams at mandatory mini

966
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: camp on Tuesday, to see if that trend continues of

967
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: it was just a one off thing that isn't really

968
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: indicative of where the two guys are in the pecking water.

969
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you an educated guess, because nobody

970
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: comes in as the incumbent. I believe they want to

971
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: give both guys a fair shot to work with the

972
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: ones to see who can earn the spot. You could

973
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: be right. That's my educated guess, and good guess. Two

974
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: four or five on three Mike and Palm Springs is

975
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: up next day. Mike, Hey, how you do a real cook,

976
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: I was I can't believe the stat I just heard

977
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: that you guys relate about Eli average two point three seconds.

978
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Well you know what now, Yeah, I

979
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: can get to the exact number he ranked. I believe

980
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: somewhere in the around twenty in the league in terms

981
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: of average time to throw out something like that. But

982
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: think about it, think about two seconds. What are you

983
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: doing in two seconds? What what do you have time?

984
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: And and the fact that he's scanning the field and

985
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: dumping into Odell who you know, in the slot, quick

986
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: break and get open. But like that's an indictment of

987
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: our offensive line that I I knew we were bad,

988
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: but like that, that's incredible. I can't make a decision

989
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: on with our one ice in my water or not

990
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: in two point three seconds. Alright, alright whatever, That's not

991
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: my point, but that was fascinating. I was sitting here

992
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: shaking my head, like that can't be right. I have

993
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: a right here, Hold on one second, I can give

994
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: it to you. Um Eli Manning average time to pass

995
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: a tenth last year. I'm looking for him, looking for him,

996
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: hold on, looking for him. On the list, he was

997
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: at two point four seven seconds time to attempt zero one.

998
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: More so, I mean it was under two and a half,

999
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: which is what we said, you know, the lead quarterbacks

1000
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: that were regular starters, and I won't count the guys

1001
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: that were kind of you know, quick players that got

1002
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: rid of the balls quicker where Tanny Hill at two

1003
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: point four six, Brady at two point four five, Luck

1004
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: at two point four four, Breeze at two point four three, um,

1005
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers at two point four to Roethlisberger two point

1006
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: three eight. And obviously, if not surprisingly, all those guys

1007
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: are what veteran quarterbacks and know how to make quick

1008
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: decisions to get rid of the ball first exactly, and

1009
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: who don't necessarily want to get pounded in the pocketing

1010
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: and don't move you can't afford, you can't afford to

1011
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: hold the ball. You gotta get rid of exactly. I'm

1012
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: I've also blown away, and at the speed of the

1013
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: lineman and the linebackers, I can actually get to him

1014
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: in that amount of time. That's these guys are phenomenal athletes.

1015
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: But still, I mean, I can you figure you push

1016
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: or hold a guy another second? But it's crazy. Um

1017
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: My point for calling was I wanted to give you

1018
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: guys a call last week, but I didn't get a

1019
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: chance to. I listened to the podcast every day on

1020
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: my way to work. I'm on the West coast, so

1021
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: you know, feel early to call in. But I just

1022
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: want to speak to this narrative recently of um landing columns, right,

1023
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: and it's been a consistent narrative of oh, how could

1024
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: gentleman let him go? Um, we gotta keep our talent.

1025
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: And I am all for paying talent, paying guys who

1026
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: uh contribute, who are definitely contributors to our team and

1027
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: our success right now, just taking the whole narrative of

1028
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: the defense. We were pretty bad last year, right, But

1029
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: Landing Collins to me, and I was a Landing Collins fan,

1030
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: still kind of am, because he was a genuinely seemed

1031
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: like a genuine good dude, right, But he was looking

1032
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: for a really big contract. He wanted to get paid.

1033
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to that. What I am opposed to

1034
00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: is giving people money based on a supreme lead down year.

1035
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: And he had a down year, and yes he didn't

1036
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 1: have a whole lot of support at the other states,

1037
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: the spots. Uh, but my my, I was talking to

1038
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: my brother and I said, what what play do you

1039
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: remember last year from Landon Collins that you were like, Wow,

1040
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: thank god we have that guy. I mean, we're bad,

1041
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: but he's still topping. He's still you know, showing something,

1042
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: making a big play, even in a lost game, still

1043
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: made a big play. I can't remember one the guys

1044
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: that you pay those you tie up a lot of money,

1045
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: because that's what it boils down to. Who are you

1046
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: tying on your most money into that there preventing you

1047
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: from signing other towns? Right? I cannot remember one play

1048
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: where Landy Collins topped. Probably Wow, that's amazing. Hey, look,

1049
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: and here's the thing, Ryan, You're right. And this is

1050
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: why Paul and I when we spoke about this at

1051
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: the combine before Get Him did his press conference and

1052
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: the show is leading up to it, both of us

1053
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: thought the end result of all this was going to

1054
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: be him playing on a franchise tag because we thought

1055
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: he was probably gonna ask for too much money for

1056
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: the Giants that come to a long term contract with

1057
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: somebody who as a safety isn't a great coverage guy.

1058
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: So we thought it would end with a franchise tag thing.

1059
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: Then we heard Get Him and talk at the at

1060
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: the combine, and we said, oh boy, the Giants might

1061
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: not want to pay him on a franchise tag. So

1062
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: the Giants made the decision that, look, we understood, we

1063
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: knew going in that based on what Landing would want,

1064
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: and we saw the contract that he signed right that

1065
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: doing a long term deal was gonna be tough. The

1066
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: Giants decided to rather than have him on a one

1067
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: year um franchise head deal, right, they would rather get

1068
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: the draft pick now because they figured they would never

1069
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: want to pay him on the big, long term deal

1070
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: that they would want. So they take the pick now,

1071
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: add that to the rebuild for next year, and you

1072
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: move on. And that's what they decided to do. And

1073
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: that's the smart play, right to tie up all this

1074
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: money and a guy who fans favorite, Right, everybody loved

1075
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: Landy Collins had a Pro Bowl year. He's a good player.

1076
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: He's a good player, good player, any good player. I'm

1077
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: not taking anything away from that man. But if he

1078
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: is a system player who needs a solid surrounding um

1079
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: structure to have to make impact play, you're not a

1080
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: top dollar guy. Put it this way, if the Giants

1081
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: were closer to being a top contender, who were who

1082
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: could afford squeeze him under the cap. I don't think

1083
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: there's any doubt he would have still been here. They

1084
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: would have found a way to keep him. Okay, but well,

1085
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: the state of their renovation does not allow the luxury

1086
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: of retaining a player like Collins at the numbers he commands.

1087
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: We are inspect I don't know, but we were in

1088
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: such a hole as far as areas we needed to

1089
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: address immediately. Right, you're balancing putting a team on the

1090
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: field who can support and maybe give us a shot

1091
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: at making the playoffs, well possibly optimistically a super Bowl, Right,

1092
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: but we had so many glaring areas we need to address.

1093
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: We could not afford to pay Landing. How is that

1094
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: kind of money if he's not going to play above

1095
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: in the yond talent level. I think the problem becomes.

1096
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: The problem becomes people have to understand that there are

1097
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: two separate issues. Appreciate it. It's not necessarily about how

1098
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: good is the player or is he a quality player?

1099
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's about where is your team and where are

1100
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: they going and what do they have to get there?

1101
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: And sometimes it has nothing to do with the quality

1102
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: of that individual player. It just doesn't because they were

1103
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: not because he's not a guy that we're gonna tag twice.

1104
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: The money gets too prohibitive. So if he wasn't going

1105
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: to be a difference maker this year, get the draft

1106
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: pick student rather than later and then move on. That's it.

1107
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: And then we're not And I like him a lot.

1108
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: And it's probably the best, if not the best strong safety,

1109
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: one of the top two strong safeties in this league

1110
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: the last ten years. I'm not gonna say anything bad

1111
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: coach Marvin and Delaware will wrap us up on Big

1112
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: Blue Kick Off Life presented by course Light High coach

1113
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: John Paul, Hey, haven't talked to you guys in a while. Um,

1114
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: if they're quick the landing Collins saying, you know, uh,

1115
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: I think who says what landers work the league? That's

1116
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: what Lander's work. If one team says he's work, that's

1117
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: what he's worth. Were just putting the food and we

1118
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: moved on to rebuild our team under the like John said,

1119
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: I mean us, saying, Paul, if you mean the money,

1120
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: they didn't want to spend the money. Remember, one team

1121
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: might think a player is worth something and another team

1122
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: might not believe he's worth that same number. So that

1123
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: can be different from team the team too. You know, yes, right,

1124
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: that's definitely right. So to say, well was he worth it?

1125
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean, who are we to say if he's working

1126
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: or not. It just takes one team to do that

1127
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: to say what he's worth. Um. The other thing that

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00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: Paul Perkins is the is the we're talking about earlier.

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00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: That's the person I'm kind of rooting for it. You

1130
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: were talking about the Minnesota game was a great run

1131
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: to screenplay that Paul was talking about, and that's what

1132
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: that girl came out. But the big game that I

1133
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: loved was I think it was the last end of

1134
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,479
Speaker 1: the season against Washington at Washington. I think we didn't

1135
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: have a hundred yard rusher until that game. He and

1136
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: Michelle Jennings had a great day that afternoon. Yeah, yeah,

1137
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: he did, and and and and Paul's needs blocking that

1138
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: the year he was having trouble. They really wasn't blocking form.

1139
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: Guys were hadn't speak before. He can't even get to

1140
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. You give him some space, give

1141
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: him some lanes to run. He's a flasher, so you

1142
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: get some lane to run through and he gets to

1143
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: that secondary, then we could see what he does. I'm

1144
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: actually pulling for him not to take anything from government.

1145
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: Government we kind of send him hit um sitting hairs.

1146
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of rooting for Paul to get that

1147
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: that second thought. Hopefully he could get it. I think

1148
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: Coleman's a little bit more talented then Perkins between the tackles.

1149
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: Even though he's not the biggest guy in the world.

1150
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: I do think he does run well in smaller spaces,

1151
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: and I think Perkins is probably better suited to outside

1152
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: the tackles. And that's why I think there's room for

1153
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: both of them on the team. Yeah, and I think

1154
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: our backfield room is I mean, we're getting better in

1155
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: every room is getting better. Um. I had to give

1156
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: it to get him in there. The offensive line room

1157
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: looks better, Um, the running back room looks better given.

1158
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: The quarterback room looks better. Um. But the one I

1159
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: really loved, and I think we should really look at this,

1160
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: that secondary that room is unbelievably talented. That we have

1161
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: these young guys. And uh, don't get me wrong, So

1162
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody's say I'm out of my head

1163
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: going crazy here, but these young guys have I think

1164
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: they have enough potential. I'm thinking I think of the

1165
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: Ronnie Lott years when they came, and those were all

1166
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: young defensive back when Ronnie Lott and all those guys

1167
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: pay the same thing with Seattle and their guys, with

1168
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: all the young guys when they say, I think this

1169
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: young court we have, I think we need to give

1170
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: them a little more attention because young guys, Thank you, coach. Okay,

1171
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: one more. I want to throw a shout out to

1172
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: my um with the guy that listens to the show.

1173
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: He's my train on the name of Vaughn Caraway. He

1174
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: played defensive back for Temple. Very nice guys, do cool,

1175
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: no problem, coach, help take it easy. I want to

1176
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: hit a couple of tweets ball seriously before we say goodbye.

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00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: It's time for tweets. Let's giant all right. Here we go.

1178
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: Clayton Harding, he disagrees with you that he does not

1179
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: believe Wheeler has proven enough to be a reliable swing

1180
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: tackle backup. He thinks they should add an older vet

1181
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: once someone might get released around September. Your thoughts on that, Wow,

1182
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: I think that that Chad Wheeler works very hard. He's

1183
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: got a good attitude, and that's usually what you want

1184
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: from your backups because those are the kinds of guys

1185
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: who you have to coach up and you have to

1186
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: try to, you know, squeeze more juice out of He's

1187
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: still a young player. Uh No, I you know, I

1188
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with him being a three again,

1189
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: a three, you'd wanted to upgrade it, you think you

1190
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: did with he's a three. I feel good about it.

1191
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: If he proves to the coaches he's a better player

1192
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: than he was last year. And I suspect that the

1193
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: arrow is pointing in that. I would hope so. But

1194
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: there's just that person to pudding because they got some

1195
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: young tackles to compete with him. So he's gonna have

1196
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: a chance to prove that he belongs and if on

1197
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: the A J. Marshall third wide receiver could have a

1198
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: breakout year, whether it Coleman or ladderm or just want

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01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: to throw out something real quick. I talked to my

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01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: buddy out on Cleveland. He said, Coleman in practice of

1201
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: the Browns look great. His drop issues never showed up

1202
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: until game day and that's when he had issues with

1203
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: drops in Cleveland. I'm curiously once he getting some preseason games,

1204
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: whether those drop thatsues show up. Is we haven't seen

1205
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: much of that in the practice field. He's been pretty

1206
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: shorthanded at least recently. But I specifically asked my buddy

1207
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: on Cleveland about that and he said, yeah, in practice,

1208
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: he to get hurt and practice, but he didn't drop

1209
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: many balls in practice. He actually broke his hand a

1210
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: couple of times when he was broken hands in practice

1211
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: for the Browns. But he his drop issue showed up

1212
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: whinning on the game situations. Slayton's had more drop season

1213
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: practice than any of the receivers. Hell what Slating gets

1214
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: open though? Man, he does, he gets open incredibly fast,

1215
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: incredibly fast, gets open now so he can clean that

1216
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: other stuff up. He's he's That's That's another guy in

1217
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: that wide receiver room who we're gonna have to keep

1218
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: an eye on during the preseason because if he's productive

1219
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: and he holds onto the ball boy, it's gonna be

1220
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: hard to keep him off the rocks number sub four

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Speaker 1: four seven. That's sick. That's sick, PAULI good stuff, all right,

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Speaker 1: John for Paul Latino, I'm John Schmilk. For a buddy

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