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Speaker 1: I love this guy. Breland Episode three. This song I

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Speaker 1: it once. It's just just lives there. These Jordans. You

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Speaker 1: can say you hey, when you can call me crazy,

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Speaker 1: but don't touch my truck. Don't touch my truck. Breland

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Speaker 1: born Daniel bre Up in Burlington, New Jersey, highly musical families.

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Speaker 1: Parents are both ministers and led worship at church. You know,

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Speaker 1: we talked about all of that here. Obviously. I think

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Speaker 1: I lead with what are your friends call you? Because

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Speaker 1: I said, Hey, you're Brethland. He's like, yeah, I said,

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Speaker 1: what what do people? I don't know what to do?

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Speaker 1: Whenever it's like a stage name, that's always a bit

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Speaker 1: weird because sometimes people don't go by it in real

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Speaker 1: life and sometimes they do. But he does, and you

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Speaker 1: don't hear talking about that. So just love the guy.

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Speaker 1: I love the guy's energy, just super smart. Where the

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Speaker 1: point I was pretty tired coming into this one, and

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Speaker 1: I kind of fount and occasionally this happens with a writer,

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Speaker 1: almost never an artist, which is funny, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: the guy does it all and he comes in and

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Speaker 1: he's just I mean, he's using words only reading books,

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Speaker 1: the smartest people we've ever had on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was a situation. There's a meme where a guy's

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Speaker 1: but you know, when it's serious time, he leans forward

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Speaker 1: all right, he means business and in a good way.

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Speaker 1: But I hope you like this. I encourage you to

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Speaker 1: check him out at Brenland on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, got

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Speaker 1: the same name everywhere, and so here we go Bryland. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: I guess you and I first met New Year's Eve.

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Speaker 1: You know a song I I guess I didn't discover

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Speaker 1: you but what song I found you when I found

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Speaker 1: you was My Truck, which is such a great song.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Mike, can you play some of that for me?

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Speaker 1: Don't touch My Truck? So n you and you've been

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Speaker 1: the first thing I said it was, Hey, what it

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Speaker 1: What do I call you? Because you know some people

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Speaker 1: they have like a stage name, for example, Kid Rock,

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Speaker 1: him a little bit and He's always like, just call

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Speaker 1: because it's that you've been kidding. So Breland, is that

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Speaker 1: that's your last name? It is my last name. What

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Speaker 1: call uh pretty much anyone that I've been friends with

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Speaker 1: it could even get shortened to be bro. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: It was always a melody, was good. It was John Legend,

427
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: and it it never it never stopped. And it went

428
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: from Wow, this never stops, too, Okay, this must be

429
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 1: just something that exists in him all the time, and

430
00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,640
Speaker 1: it's it's probably part of what separates him from other

431
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 1: really good people. You know, it's really good, and there's great,

432
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 1: and there's really great. And I think it's probably the

433
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 1: fact that it was constant, constant, And I wonder about

434
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 1: people like yourself, like John Legend, that are so musical

435
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: if you can turn it off, I can't really turn

436
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: it off. And uh, you know, from a from a

437
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 1: from a lyric perspective and from a melody perspective, I'm

438
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 1: always working on something, whether I even know it or not.

439
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: I won't even know that I'm singing and someone will

440
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 1: be like, dude, you're still singing, and then I'll think

441
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: about it. I'm like, oh, I've been singing different versions

442
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: of this melody for the last two hours straight. But

443
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 1: I'll be doing something else. I'll be having a conversation,

444
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: eating a meal, doing something, but in the back of

445
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: my mind and oftentimes audibly, I'm humming something, singing something.

446
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: I just We've talked about this too, Mike and I

447
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: have where we need an app where because I will

448
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: write comedy music, and the problem is I subconsciously I

449
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: don't know what I heard. I don't know who who

450
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: said something funny. I don't know what melody I've heard.

451
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: So I need a nap that I can turn on

452
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: and go yeah, and then does that match Nope, Okay,

453
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 1: well they kind of have something like that, like to

454
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: see whether you're on top of another melody that exists.

455
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: Teachers can use whenever a kid is turning in a paper,

456
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: right or yes, And so I often worried that I'm

457
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: going to not know. And I have other friends that

458
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: are artists, and I'm like Luke Homes, for example, I

459
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: was talking to him a couple days ago and I

460
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: was like, now that everybody is so litigious and there's

461
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: only so many notes, so many chords, how in the world,

462
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: Because as you get bigger, more eyes on it and

463
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: on it, and all of a sudden you're matching a

464
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: lot more folks now that Dan and Shay just went

465
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: through it. I don't know I would say this as

466
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: a creator. Again, it comes down to intent. We know

467
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: that there are a certain amount of notes, you know,

468
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: in in Western music, are you go into like semitones

469
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: and in a lot of Eastern music that opens things. Yeah,

470
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: we we just gotta get into semi tones. But you know,

471
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: in terms of the thirteen notes that we have access to, like,

472
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna be on top of other melodies, like especially

473
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: if there's you know, only maybe four or six chords

474
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: that you have, Like in most songs there's only three

475
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: or four chords. So the types of melodies that I

476
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: write over those chords and the type of melodies that

477
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: someone else who writes songs rights over those chords, it

478
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: is going to be very similar because we're probably both

479
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,719
Speaker 1: drawing from the same knowledge base of Hey, these are

480
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: the types of melodies that work. We all know a

481
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: catchy melody when we hear one. We've all we've all

482
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: been influenced by the hit songs of of yesterday. So

483
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: you're gonna be on top of melodies sometimes. Now, I

484
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: think there are times where that needs to be looked

485
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: into but I also think that it happens by accident.

486
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: I think it just happens by virtue of their only being.

487
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: But so many notes, and there has to be a

488
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: better way for us to figure out intent. Yeah, intense

489
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,959
Speaker 1: tricky because then intent you can lie about intent. And

490
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: I think I'm thinking very selfishly about this conversation because

491
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: I do it with jokes too, where I will have

492
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the funniest concept. Let me write a

493
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: punch line off in its MinC. I'm like, it's funny,

494
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: and he's like, well you could do this. We'll what'll

495
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: kind of work on a joke and then and I'm like,

496
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: I gotta google it a google and there's already a

497
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: similar joke. And but it's like that I steal. Did

498
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: I hear it somewhere? Maybe or maybe you just had

499
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: a similar experience as the other person who did it,

500
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: and you both acknowledge this is funny. I agree, And

501
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: I at times would do a little exercise with myself

502
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: before a talk show host would do a monologue. I

503
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: would go, Okay, what are the things that I would

504
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: do a joke about right here? And quickly what would

505
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: the half joke? Bet? And I would match most of

506
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: the times, like what the material or what the joke

507
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: kindo would be. So I do think like minded people

508
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: that are pursuing a like minded goal, meaning a joke,

509
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: you know, punch and laughter coming from a like minded

510
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: situation produce likely results. So but I just don't know

511
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: if my subconscious catches it and it's sitting up here

512
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: at times and I do accidentally steal it, or I

513
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: just happened to have the same idea. I just wish

514
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: there was something I could do that to in my

515
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: fanapp would be great. Yeah they do that. You're the

516
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: smartest guy met so do that. Yeah. Yeah, well we'll

517
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: work on the app. We'll work on the app. You have.

518
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: I have insurance. I'd call it probably I call it

519
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: probably Boblin or something the front of even doing nothing.

520
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds like that's not great. Yeah, that's not

521
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: I have insurance my business maagement. We get insurance in

522
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: case I accidentally steal something. Everyone needs songwriters insurance. Is

523
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: that something that you you have. It's literally something that

524
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: in the past a few weeks has become a conversation.

525
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just got put onto this like a

526
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: month ago. So I was like, you need talking resinsurance.

527
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: I was forced upon it. Yeah, yeah, And I was like, wait,

528
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: is that a real thing? And they're like, no, seriously,

529
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: because because the truth is, it does happen by accident.

530
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: When I got sued by Bob Dylan, I was like,

531
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: I cannot believe you shouldn't be able to get sued

532
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: by any Bobs. Okay, that's true, that's true. So growing up,

533
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 1: you go to Georgetown very prestigious. Are you one of

534
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: the I'm gonna use a word that can be used

535
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways. Are you one of

536
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: the smarter kids at that school that is known for

537
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: just brilliant minds? And I don't I need to drop

538
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: your humble hat here. No, I mean no, I would

539
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: answer it straight up. I wouldn't aswer straight up. I

540
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: think that there's different forms of intelligence. I think that

541
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: I am in the school, and this strictly academically, I

542
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: was not one of the smartest kids in the school,

543
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: and asked, I do believe that I may have been

544
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: one of the smartest kids in the school if you

545
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: look at like holistic, but academically not looking at that. No,

546
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm reading a book now where they talk about kids

547
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: that go into a big pond and they're smart at

548
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: their own school, but they go into a big pond

549
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: and they meet that heavy resistance for the first time.

550
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: Sometimes it is far more detrimental to them than if

551
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: they were to go into a smaller, medium pond school system.

552
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: Like George how to Me's massive pond. Yeah, it's a

553
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: big pond, smartest of the smartest kids from all over

554
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: the country. And I want when you say that academically,

555
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: maybe you weren't at the top, did that at all

556
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: make you question yourself and the intelligence that you had?

557
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: I think it it forced me to have to defend

558
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: my position in My position now is the same position

559
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: that I had as a freshman, Like I almost failed

560
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: to counting class, and my parents, who had seen me

561
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: do so well throughout grade school and high school, were like,

562
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: what's the deal, Like, what's the deal with the counting?

563
00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, the deal is that I can

564
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: really only be good at things that I care about.

565
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: I can't dedicate mental energy to something that I don't value.

566
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: And when did you understand that was what made you working? Yeah?

567
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: I understood that in high school. Really, Um, the difference

568
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: is that I was motivated by getting into a good college,

569
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: so I cared about all of it. By the time

570
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: I got to college, I was like, I care about

571
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: being successful in the music industry. That's interesting, so a little.

572
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: So what got you to college is your interest in

573
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: getting to college? Actually, once you got to college, you

574
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: were already there and you didn't want to continue. You

575
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: kind of took a hard pivot in that journey by

576
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: getting to where you were going. That's interesting because you

577
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: didn't care about academics as much once you got to

578
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: the academic place. Yeah, not really. At that point, I

579
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: was like, all right, well, what's what's the thing that's

580
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: going to happen after college? And are my grades and

581
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: performance here in college it going to determine the trajectory

582
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: of that, And knowing that it was music, I was like, no,

583
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: it's it probably won't. So then what can I be

584
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: spending my time on That's going to be more productive

585
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: for the thing that I actually want to do. And

586
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well, I'm gonna try to

587
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: write two songs a day and record them. Yeah, by myself.

588
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: What would you do you're in college, what your partner

589
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: looked like, your household? Yeah? I was in a dorm

590
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: bro I was. I was just in a room. I

591
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: had to set up a focus write in a laptop.

592
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: I was recording vocals out of initially fl studio and

593
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: then eventually pro tools. Had a little like Mike that

594
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: was like can you play what were you doing music?

595
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: Like guitar keys? Um? I could play a little keys.

596
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: But I also was was sourcing a lot of tracks

597
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: off of like YouTube and from different producers that were

598
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: trying to see if they could get cuts and just

599
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: trying to form relationships with people. Had a couple producer

600
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: friends who would send over tracks or just cord loops

601
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: and I would literally just run through them, you know,

602
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: a couple of day. But how did you know to do?

603
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: Where did that knowledge come from? Um? Someone I had

604
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: read somewhere that that Kanye was making like five beats

605
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: a summer for like ten summers, So five beats a

606
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: day for like a certain amount of summers or I

607
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: forget exactly what the number was, but it was a

608
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: number that I was like, whoa, I'm nowhere close to

609
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: that number. So I was like, if I want to

610
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: be able to do this, And I also seen a

611
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: couple of different songwriters being like you should write a

612
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: song a day and challenge yourself to you know, just

613
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: work at that level one. So I was like, all right, cool,

614
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: I'll do that. So like my end of my step

615
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: into my freshman year, sophomore year, I was like, I'm

616
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: gonna try to write and record a song a day,

617
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: and then junior senior year, I was like two songs

618
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: a day, three songs a day. He recorded as well. Yeah, yeah,

619
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: so I was doing like you know, I took some

620
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: engineering classes, and what happened to all this content? It's

621
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: it's on a hard drive song where I've got hundreds,

622
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: I've got thousands of songs from from college that they

623
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: have never been cut and won't they won't. They're not

624
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: even cutible. I wasn't, it wasn't at an industry standard.

625
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: But but can't you go back now and refresh them?

626
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: Not even refreshed but maybe be inspired? Is not even

627
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for. But I just feel like even

628
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: anything that I've written a long time ago, and it

629
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: may I mean, it may be, you know, so elementary

630
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: as to what I listen, what I do now deserves

631
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: no prize, but I can go I understand what I

632
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: was trying to say. Then even though I didn't quite

633
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: understand what I was trying to say. And this sounds terrible,

634
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: but I can almost inspire me like me from back

635
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: then before I had these things. At times I have

636
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: to go meet up with that person again. Sometimes, Yeah,

637
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: I think the key and and it depends on how

638
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: you do it. Along the way is to Keith has

639
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: put a term to it that I've never forgotten. He

640
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: calls a beginner's mind. He's like, beginner's mind is when

641
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: you go into anything and everything with the same childlike

642
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: curiosity as you would have when you were an actual child.

643
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes as an adult we get so

644
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: in the weeds on different things that we're doing, and

645
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: we're so focused on what the world says we need

646
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: to focus on as an adult that we don't appreciate

647
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: and we lose the gratitude and the wonder and amazement

648
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: that we have for the little things. And I've tried

649
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: to and naturally already leaned this way, but I've made

650
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: a conscious effort even recently to stay tapped in to

651
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: the ten year old version of me that sang a

652
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: solo at church and the fifteen year old version of

653
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: me that started a YouTube channel and the nineteen year

654
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: old version of me that decided I wanted to write

655
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: a song every single day. I've tried not to stray

656
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: too far from that because that's the that is the

657
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: core of the thing. The music industry. You have to

658
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: wear a lot of different hats, and I've definitely developed

659
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: a lot of skills and in a lot of different areas.

660
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: But if I ever lose sight of that person, then

661
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: I've lost sight of everything. That's the challenge. That is

662
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: the challenge. I mean, it's the challenge for me because

663
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: I need to be reminded at times, because one you

664
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: can get very jaded. I need to be reminded that

665
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: I still need to be hungry even though I'm not

666
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: hungry anymore. You know, I grew up and literally I

667
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: was hungry. Figuratively I was hungry, and I kind of

668
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: need to remind myself of that and what got me

669
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: to a place to kind of be redriven at times

670
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: once I'm so jaded? Yeah, well, I guess the question

671
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: of how do you motivate yourself once you've accomplished a

672
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: lot of your goals, right, Like you've had the number one,

673
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: but none of that matters. Number ones do nothing. You

674
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: know what motivates me not living the trailer park again

675
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: there there, yeah, And that's what I have to go

676
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: and sometimes reinvest myself in, like why am I doing this?

677
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't do it? Are all the highs? I do

678
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: run the freaking lows for sure? And I also think,

679
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, at least in my situation, I'm sure you

680
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: have these two. It helps if you also have a

681
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: mission statement. So for me, my mission statement right now

682
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: as an artist is that I want to help make

683
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: country music more inclusive. I want to inspire people who

684
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: don't listen to country music and write it off as

685
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: a thing that's not for them. I want to inspire

686
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: them to to be a part of it and be

687
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: a part of the community, because I think the more

688
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: diverse country music is, the more country music can interact

689
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: and and and collaborate across the aisle with other genres,

690
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: the better that is for culture. And so the style

691
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: of country music that I make is not traditional, but

692
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: I would argue that it is still within the format.

693
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: And why I do it the way that I'm doing

694
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: it is because I'm trying to reach across the aisle

695
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: and and make a space that is more reflective of

696
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: what the world looks like. That's a long mission statement.

697
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: Write that down my seconds. That's a long one that

698
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: let me let me Yeah, I am trying to make

699
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: country music for everyone. Yeah, it's easier to remember. Yeah, yeah,

700
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: that's a good one. I think you've I know you've

701
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: experienced as far greater than what I did. But I'll

702
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: give you an example. When I moved to town, I

703
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: was the guy. Now. It didn't matter that I grew

704
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: up in a rural town in Arkansas and my life

705
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: was all country music until I was a teenager. But

706
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: since I worked on hip hop stations and pop stations

707
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: and did sports talk, and I wasn't country, and I

708
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: fought it so for my life was miserable for two

709
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: and a half three years because everywhere I went I

710
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: wasn't country. Now, when I was pop, I was too

711
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: country because I didn't fit because I had an accent.

712
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: But when I came to country, I was too pop.

713
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: And so there was us a point where I was like,

714
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: screw it, and then I just started playing the things

715
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: that I liked. On my own show. I was playing

716
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: hip hop stuff, I was playing country stuff. I was

717
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, and I still do that today. But it's

718
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: not crazy anymore because we became successful and then every

719
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: other show started to mimic what we were doing. All

720
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we went from this is not us too,

721
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it becomes the standard. It's

722
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: the road that people drive on now. So that is

723
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: what I dealt with for a while here. And by

724
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: your last statement, when you talk about having a more

725
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: inclusive country music that comes from a place of experience,

726
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: it sounds like and so I'm assuming that you're getting

727
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: that now to where you're not country. People are saying Yeah,

728
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: people definitely will say that I'm not country. Also, it's

729
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: funny when you when you look up Breland on Google,

730
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: at least for a while, people are like, is Breland

731
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: a country? Like country Land like Iceland or Greenland or something? Um,

732
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: But no, I mean, I've never tried to authenticate or

733
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: validate how country I am, because the truth is I'm

734
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: from New Jersey, from a small town in New Jersey.

735
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I think that

736
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: the version of country music that really resonates with me

737
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: isn't location specific so much as it is are you

738
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: telling a true story to your experience or to someone's experience,

739
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: and if you can express that thought in a way

740
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: that is both linear and heartfelt, there's country roots in it.

741
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: And to me, that's the thing that I'm trying to

742
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: get at more in the music that I'm writing, in

743
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: the music that I'm releasing, is let me let me

744
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: tell stories, let me tell my story, and let me

745
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: tell stories that resonate with people, whether or not it's

746
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, specifically rural or southern or you know fits

747
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: checks any of those boxes. It's like, can you can

748
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: you tell a story? And and is that story real

749
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: for someone or yourself? The answer to that is yes,

750
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: Then is country to me? The people that you've spoken

751
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: about so far that you've worked with, it's funny they've

752
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: all kind of gone down that similar road. Keith Urban

753
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: still even with all of us, all of his success,

754
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: even being Entertainer of the Year, he still gets that

755
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: Sam Godly so much, of course, but in a lot

756
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: of ways, like someone saying that it's not country for

757
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: them is a reflection of their perspective of what country

758
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: music is, and and it is all perspective. And I

759
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: I get into it more than I probably should. And

760
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: I do consider myself a bit of a historian on

761
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: country music in general, but any of the instruments even

762
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: I would say the we considered country at one time

763
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: when they were brought in, for example, making the steel

764
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: guitar electric that was blasphemy to to people in country music.

765
00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: And now it's so it's traditional or even bluegrass. Right now,

766
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: it's so it's more commonplace that has gotten pushed even

767
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: further outside of the genre. You're looking at country music

768
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: from the perspective of whatever country music you were introduced to.

769
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: When you were introduced to country music. There are a

770
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: bunch of kids right now that the version of country

771
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: music they were introduced to is Florida Georgia Line. But

772
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: then there's a lot of people who are in their

773
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: forties and fifties right now that when Florida Georgia Line

774
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: started becoming popular, they were like, this isn't country music.

775
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: You could look at that if you add fifteen years

776
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: to that when Shania Twain popped off, or even before

777
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: that to when Garth popped off, people will look at

778
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: all of those things that are now super commonplace and

779
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: and literally traditional at this point, and and look at

780
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: people who were in the you know, establishment of country

781
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: music at that time that pushed back against the change.

782
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is I have respect and reverence for

783
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: country music as a genre, as a lifestyle, as a

784
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: thing that people live and breathe, and I am not

785
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: trying to take anything away from it. I'm simply trying

786
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: to add something to it. And if it's not for you,

787
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: that's okay. There's plenty of people who are making the

788
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: type of country music that you like, whatever that might be.

789
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: But I'm making the type of country music that a

790
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: lot of other people like, whatever that might be. The

791
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: weird thing too about people getting upset is that you

792
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: don't have to listen to it. You don't have to live.

793
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: You don't have to listen to anything. You don't nothing.

794
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't heavy music, any kind of art, yeah, anything,

795
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: And if any kind of art stops pushing any direction,

796
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: it dies. And so if country music were to always

797
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: stay the same, like some folks would like it too,

798
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: although they don't know they're talking about, if it stayed

799
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: the same, it would die because anything that sits in

800
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: the same place for a long period goes away. And

801
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: so regardless of what you're doing, I just always admire

802
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: people who come and do their version of it, not

803
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: to push, but to do their version, because I think

804
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: people bringing their own flair and flavor and ideas and

805
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: the country music is what actually makes it great new

806
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: ways to hear stories and and and I think the

807
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: people that what I love, I love this. Sometimes it's

808
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: it's happened to me after shows where people are like,

809
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't like the type of music that you're doing,

810
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: but I like the energy that you're doing it with,

811
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: and I like what you're bringing to the table. Is

812
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: that intent? Are you happy with them? Because I'm happy

813
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: with that because of the intent, and because ultimately, as

814
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: you said, man, you know or the sentiment of what

815
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: you're saying, art is interpretive. So I don't need every

816
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: person to resonate with the art that I make. I

817
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: need the people that my heart is intended for to

818
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: resonate with it, and then anyone outside of that, it's,

819
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's art. What's it like growing up with

820
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: parents who are ministers? Is it? Do you feel like

821
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: you have to be good? A h And I don't

822
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: mean like a good kid. And I definitely think that

823
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: there are some values that that they instilled in me.

824
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: But they've also always had the perspective that I am

825
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: going to do what I'm going to do, and all

826
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 1: they could do is try to set me up with

827
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: all of the necessary mental, emotional, spiritual tools to be

828
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: able to do them. Well, were you allowed secular music?

829
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: And growing up not so much. But as I got older,

830
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: I started to discover it and I was able to

831
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: put them onto a lot of things that they had

832
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: never heard. And I think they even had a perspective

833
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: of secular music that was different than the perspective that

834
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: they have now, which is that not all secular music

835
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: is praising sex, drugs, and alcohol. You know, well, I mean,

836
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: you know, some of it is right, but you know,

837
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a lot of music that I think

838
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: is pointing to the same type of message that a

839
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: lot of the gospel music that they were listening to

840
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: and listen to is pointing toward, which is like, people

841
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: should love each other at the core, people should try

842
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: to help each other. There's music that speaks to that,

843
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: and also recognizing that some music is literally medicine for people,

844
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: that there are songs that get people out of bed

845
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, and as I've explained what that

846
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: looks like for a lot of different people. To my parents,

847
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: I think their perspective of secular versus Christian music has evolved.

848
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: I saw you playing a stagecoach, which is a cool

849
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: little situation we've got before, and it's a long ways

850
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, that's the part. That's the bad part,

851
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: because it took forever together. Yes, flight l a drive

852
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: forever and it's hot, hot, but then it's cool and

853
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: it's a fun experience and it's a it's like the

854
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: culture here meets the culture there. It's a cool little hybrid, definitely,

855
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: but then you have to get back in it. T

856
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: But other than that, I saw you and I think

857
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: you're playing strawberry wine, right? Was that you playing strabery one? Um?

858
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: I didn't play steuberry wine and stage coach was on

859
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: your Instagram. I ended up having to cut a bit

860
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: of I had to cut that song for my set

861
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 1: because we were running a little late. Were you playing

862
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: rehearsal somewhere? I saw a clip maybe somebody recorded you,

863
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: But then it might have been in Nava a couple

864
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: of days before that, Okay, probably maybe probably in California

865
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: probably it was, Yeah, but it was a couple of

866
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: days before stage coach. But yes, that's a song that

867
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: I think everybody everywhere goes, oh, I like this person.

868
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who Sam would sing it too, because

869
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: even the people that were at festivals, I think that

870
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: maybe we're like, I don't like the Sam Hunt guy

871
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: and he he go, you know, like, Okay, this one

872
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: I get down with, and they were sure, that's a

873
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: good one to do. You feel that like sometimes like

874
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: if you're playing an environment people may not know you,

875
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: is that a good go to to kind of have

876
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: people go all right? Yeah, I think it helps to

877
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: know your audience and to know what your audience might

878
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: want to hear, what they're familiar with. And um, that's

879
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: a cover that I actually put out like six months ago,

880
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: and I've had a chance to sing it with the

881
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: ENO few times. She's all she's just the best, just

882
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: a sweetheart, and you know, I think for a lot

883
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: of I've played that song even for audiences that aren't country,

884
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: just because I love the song. But I do know

885
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: when I play it for especially an older, more traditional crowd,

886
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: they can usually get down with that. But also I

887
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: usually do a little bit because I have a song

888
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: out with with Nellie called High Horse and going into

889
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: high Horse, I'll play a few snippets of some Nelly

890
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: hits and people usually can get down with that too.

891
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: Even then like rural Alabama, you know, like your Cowboy,

892
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: that's what they played Nelly, I'm telling you, And then

893
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: Brooks and Dunne. Yeah, and then yeah, you can you

894
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: can get you can win over a crowd quickly. And

895
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: also like regardless I've had I'm not even gonna do

896
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: the name drop, but someone I encourage you're not going

897
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: to do it. Somebody in country music that we all

898
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: respect told me that the audiences experience, regardless of how

899
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: much talent you have, regardless of what type of music

900
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: you're playing, the audience's experience is a direct reflection of

901
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: your on Dirk's, it wasn't Derk's, it was Garth. I

902
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: was gonna have a Garth one too. That's I was

903
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna bring it up a second ago where I was

904
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: and we opened for Garth a couple weeks ago, which

905
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: is an amazing He's the best and I love him,

906
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: and he's way nicer and way more generous than he

907
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: should be. Not that any humans shouldn't be generous, but

908
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: but he's he goes over and above what you would

909
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: even expect if someone at that level just a little

910
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: side peel off. He told me we're about to do

911
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: our deal, and he goes, hey, do you want to

912
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: take over the whole stage to do it? Run all around?

913
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: There's never been a headliner that's like, we're going to

914
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: turn all the lights on and you can have the

915
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: whole stage. And he's like, have at it. But he's

916
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: told me before when talking about country music, because I

917
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: always like to hear people talk about what they I

918
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: think it is, what they think country music is, um

919
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: because generationally it's all different. But you know, do you

920
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: hear him talking about how he wasn't country music to

921
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: people when he can he wasn't. That's why I mentioned it. Yeah,

922
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: and then two nights ago, he's got a hundred and

923
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: ten thousand people packed into a stadium in Louisiana and

924
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: they sing a country song so loud that it reaches

925
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: as an earthquake. I mean that's what happened, earthquake. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

926
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: And so you know, as we talk about music and

927
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: interpretation and progression, and I see what you're doing and

928
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: not I don't even think it's a purposeful thing. Were like,

929
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to make things progress, not if I'm wrong.

930
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not like that I'm doing me. I'm

931
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: doing I know that because it is not traditional. It

932
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: is progressive, right finger quotes, you know it. But I

933
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: also just think that when people come see me live,

934
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: it usually changes their perspective of what it is that

935
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: I do. You have an album coming out across country, right,

936
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: I do. It's coming out later this summer. What what

937
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: will that be? So cross country is literally any music

938
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: that sits at the intersection of country in another genre.

939
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: So every song on there is country and something country

940
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: and rock country and gospel country and hip hop country

941
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: and R and B country and pop. We're playing around

942
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: with what that is. And then there's some a couple

943
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: of songs on there that are just a little bit

944
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: more traditionally country. But I wanted to be able to

945
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: put a project together that was reflective of all the

946
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: music that I like to listen to. And I've always

947
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: wished that there were more there was more music at

948
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: the intersection of country and other things. Because you have

949
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: intersection of you could have dual ipa and little Baby

950
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: or the baby on a song and it's totally normal.

951
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: But if the baby were on a country song, people

952
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: would be like, what's going on here? I don't understand it?

953
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, why, you know, why? Why is that? So?

954
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to just make some music that I feel

955
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 1: like there's something for everyone on this project. I love

956
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: every song on the project. We have a few really

957
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: cool collapse on there, a couple of songs that are

958
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: already out the people have heard. Praise the Lord will

959
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: be on their Throwback will be on there. But of

960
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: all the new music, it all sounds entirely different, and

961
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: we came at it from a pure place of creativity.

962
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of duds that you know, anytime

963
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: you're like mixing things together and trying to change up,

964
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: you know the formula even how you create songs and

965
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: get out of your comfort zone, you're gonna you're gonna

966
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: miss a lot. And those are some of my favorite

967
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 1: moments in this album process, is the misses, the songs

968
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: that the songs that suck, you know, because they all

969
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: taught us enough things that when we got to the

970
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: songs that we loved, we were using those problems solving

971
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: tactics and deductive reasoning to be like, Okay, let's not

972
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: try this, let's not try this. Okay, let's try this

973
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: and then we land on something great. Those are the

974
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: songs that have made the project. Anyone say yes to

975
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: work with you that you were surprised they said yes, Um,

976
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: well yeah, I can tell you this weekend, I'm going

977
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: when is this air this weekend? Friday? Friday? Yeah, well

978
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: you don't have yeah, if you want, I'll just like

979
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how many country artists Farrell has worked with,

980
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: but this weekend I'm down in in Miami working on

981
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: some stuff with Farrell, and I'm excited. That was one

982
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: that really surprised me that for him. For me, yeah,

983
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: he had some songs in mind and wanted to cook up.

984
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm curious whenever you get into a room, if you

985
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: write with let's remove for rail from this, he's run up.

986
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: Let's say you and Keith you guys ever sent room together?

987
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: One one and right? Okay? Because he's an instrumentalist. So

988
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: is that intimidating for you though? To go one one

989
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: with Keith Urban or is that I don't know, I'm

990
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: gonna get pretty? Is it? Is it? No? I would

991
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: say what what is your What is your feeling when

992
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: you sit in Keith Urban's four feet in front of

993
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: you and you're creating together. My feeling is I know

994
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: that he's really good at what he does, and I

995
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,959
Speaker 1: feel like I'm really good at what I do, and

996
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: I believe in the power of collaboration and and fusion

997
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: and creative experimentation, and so I'm sure whatever we come

998
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: up with is going to be dope. Do you watch

999
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: his face or watch his body language to see if

1000
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: he's really feeling yeah, what you're giving him. Definitely. I

1001
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: I read everything, But I also not not from a

1002
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: perspective of like, oh, I hope Keith likes it, but

1003
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: just from we're making something and I want us to

1004
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: both feel proud of it, regardless of who that person is.

1005
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: I come into every right, even if it's with a

1006
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: totally new writer who just moved to town. You know,

1007
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: it's like, I want to make sure that we feel

1008
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: good about this because we're spending time, and everyone's time

1009
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: is valuable, and you know, you're not always going to

1010
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: land on something that you love, but I at least

1011
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: want to love the way that we went about trying

1012
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: to get there. I want to play a little bit

1013
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: of beers on me. You first number one? Thank you?

1014
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: You got a word? It would be Where did the

1015
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: relationship with Dirk's come in? How? How did that happen?

1016
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: It was a random text, dude. He sent me a

1017
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: text and he was like, hey, man, it's Dirk Spentley,

1018
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: country singer. I was like, literally exactly what he said.

1019
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: I was like, you don't you don't have to do that. Um,

1020
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: but you know, he was like, I worked on this

1021
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: song with a couple of guys hard, he's on it

1022
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: right now. Uh you know, I'd love to send it

1023
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: over and see what you think. And I was like, yes, yes,

1024
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm interested. I'm you know, pulled up at the studio.

1025
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: It might have been that night or maybe it was

1026
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: the next night, and I I wrote my verse really fast. Um,

1027
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: not intentionally to be fast. It just came to me

1028
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: really quickly, and UM laid it down and it The

1029
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: energy in the room felt right, and we got a

1030
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: chance to chat and connect and um he had spent

1031
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: some time in high school in New Jersey where I'm from,

1032
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, just getting to know each other.

1033
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: And I didn't know what was going to happen with

1034
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: the song. You know, I've made music with a lot

1035
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: of people that never comes out, and that's just the

1036
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: nature of the game. You make a lot of music.

1037
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: Some of it sees the light of day, some of

1038
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't. Um, I didn't know he was going to

1039
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: make it a single. I didn't know he was gonna

1040
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: make it the name of his tour. I didn't know

1041
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna bring me out on the road. All of

1042
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: that happened once the song. The next question about being

1043
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: on the road with him, Yeah, did that happen before

1044
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: it was a single? Now that announced the single is

1045
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: like come out, you need to come out open and

1046
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: then we can also do it together. Yeah, it was.

1047
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if it was. Whether it

1048
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: was announced as a single. Well, once we knew that

1049
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: it was going to be coming out. Um, he had

1050
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: a couple of opening slots before his tour fully kicked off,

1051
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: and he's like, it's the beers on Me tour, Like,

1052
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, come on out and play. But at that time,

1053
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: because I started putting music out right before the pandemic

1054
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: and was new to artistry in that capacity, I hadn't

1055
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: performed as Briulin, performing any original music ever, you know.

1056
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: And so the third show that I ever played was

1057
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: with Dirk's up in Canadagua, New York and thousands of

1058
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: people there, and I was like, what what you know?

1059
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: I have literally is the third show I've ever played,

1060
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: and and you know, I'm on the road with Dirks

1061
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: Like it's it was a really cool opportunity for him

1062
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: to bring me out there and to take that chance

1063
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: because he's never seen me play, had no idea what

1064
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: I was going to bring to the table. But after

1065
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: we did the first show, he was like, we're supposed

1066
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: to do too, And after those first two he was like, dude,

1067
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: we gotta get you out for more, and literally just

1068
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: like created space in the middle of his set for

1069
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: me to be able to come out and do a

1070
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: couple of songs and we ended up playing like fifteen

1071
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: shows together and form a really great relationship. He's just

1072
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: I think what I really love about the artists and

1073
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: country music is that they're all really good people, you know,

1074
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: at least in my experience of the people that are

1075
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: on that word all around. But yes, I agree, so

1076
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: other people that I've met, of the people that I've

1077
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: met and collaborated with, I've been really fortunate to experience

1078
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: them all as being great people. And he's a great

1079
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 1: one and he's like the greatest. Yeah, we've talked about

1080
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: some of the great like Garth Dirk's is like just

1081
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: there and Keith as well, you know these I've I've

1082
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: just been a really fortunate and blessed to form relationships

1083
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: with people in country music that I want to see

1084
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: the next generation when and I think sometimes there's a

1085
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: thing that happens, not just in country but in in

1086
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: the world where generationally, the people who hold the keys

1087
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: to the thing don't want to hand them over, don't

1088
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: want to create space for the next generation because they

1089
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: feel like it's going to be at their apparel, you know,

1090
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: at their expense. And all of these guys have been

1091
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: so comfortable and confident collaborating with younger artists and up

1092
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: and coming artists and playing shows with them and putting

1093
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: them on records at radio and they don't have to

1094
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: do that, you know, but it shows where they are

1095
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: and and and where their heads are. Again, that's that's

1096
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: an abundance mindset for me of like there's enough space

1097
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: for me to continue doing what I'm doing and to

1098
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: help create space for this person is doing something that

1099
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: I value or think is cool. Yeah, everybody can eat.

1100
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: Everybody can eat. Everybody can eat. Here is Praise the

1101
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: Lord with featuring Thomas Rhett. This is your current single

1102
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: Women Imagine Chicken, Please to La Grandma. Everything I wanted

1103
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: any more, Praise the longing that. So you guys played

1104
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: this as all the all the letter shows start to

1105
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: they do. There's a lot and they don't have a

1106
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: C in it, you know, some of them have an M.

1107
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: It's a lot. And some of them have rejected me

1108
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: as host and some have agreed me to host and

1109
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: fired me last minute. So I get them confused. Have

1110
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: you hosted any of them? Listen, it's a long story,

1111
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: my friend, and not one for this right. The got

1112
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: your word? So we played at them. Yeah. So what's

1113
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: been the response to the single? It's been incredible, dude.

1114
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, out of all the music that I've put out,

1115
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: this is literally had the best response of anything in

1116
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: in a short amount of time. You know. It's I

1117
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: don't know, forty million streams and less than two months.

1118
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: So it's I mean really cool to see how people

1119
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: are responding to it. And I kind of suspected that

1120
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: would be the case because I've been playing it live,

1121
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: uh pretty much all summer and fall, and in all

1122
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: my live shows, it's been the song that, even though

1123
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: it's not out, people respond really well to. Um. You know,

1124
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: I think it falls right at that intersection of like

1125
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: country and gospel in a way that the both the

1126
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: lyric of it and the performance of it. I think

1127
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 1: black people, white people, old, young, can all vibe to it, So,

1128
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's very It's more universal than

1129
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that I've made, So I think

1130
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: the accessibility of the song is probably what's the energy

1131
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: of it is what what makes people respond to it.

1132
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: You guys follow Brian at Brian b R E, L

1133
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: A and D vacation there if you have some time

1134
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: to summer, spend some time. Got some great airbnbs on

1135
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: the water there, No, no, dude, it's just great. That's awesome.

1136
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: Good for them, Good for Brian. UM. And I'd like

1137
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: to apologize because I'm sweating my balls off here. Well,

1138
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: I we walked. I don't know if the air is out,

1139
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what the situation is. But when you

1140
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: walked down was like, okay, sorry, I got here. A

1141
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: few minutes earlier because this is not the main house.

1142
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: We have the studio set up over here, and I

1143
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: as we've been going, have been thinking, well, Brilin's and

1144
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: a jacket. He's got on a winter coat, so he's sweating.

1145
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: But um, this has a bit Listen. I love talking

1146
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: with you. I mean just just so refreshing. Just your

1147
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: perspective is refreshing. Thanks. I just feel like, there it is.

1148
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: You got it? Uh? Yeah, I appreciate your attitude and

1149
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: I think that's it. I think that's what it is.

1150
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: I was trying to boil it down to what it

1151
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: is that I think I like about. Yeah, and a

1152
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: lot of people make really good music, and a lot

1153
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: of people have message and a lot of this is

1154
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,479
Speaker 1: a place where the best come Philanta Giants. That's true.

1155
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: A lot of great people have been on the show.

1156
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: But I think it's just your attitude. It resonates and I'm,

1157
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, I'm jaded, asking freaking be at

1158
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: this point, dude, Well, welcome, welcome back. So I was

1159
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: able to pull you back even a little bit, restore

1160
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: your faith in in whatever it is that about humans. Yeah,

1161
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: I just want you to feel about human kind. I

1162
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: didn't trust anybody again until about an hour back. All Right,

1163
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: you guys follow Brelan on all the stuff and just

1164
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: let us know when the record comes out. You know,

1165
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: we'll have when the record comes out this summer whenever

1166
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: that is, because we'll have this. This is an hour long.

1167
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: We'll use it on all kinds of stuff. This will

1168
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: be a full thing. We'll put parts of the radio show,

1169
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: we'll put it parts of the countdown. But when you

1170
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: get ready, come up to the radio show and come

1171
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: play for that. Yeah, we'll do it. Let's do it.

1172
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: We'll get it. But if you come up with a

1173
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: different attitude, I may not do it. So I'm just

1174
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: warning you. If you're a different person putting out the

1175
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: project has changed everything about me, then no, you should

1176
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: not have me on the show. You guys, follow Breeland

1177
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: and be waiting for the record and check out Praise

1178
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: the Lord with Thomas Redd. Congrats on beers on me,

1179
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: and thank you. I'll see you soon. Season