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Speaker 1: both had a really nice time. Um, apologies to you

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Speaker 1: when it's quiet quiet. Yeah, but we're back. We're here

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Speaker 1: with a very cool episode today, a very wild story,

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Speaker 1: a fairly recent story. Yeah, we don't have to go

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Speaker 1: just the salad years of the early two thousand's, right,

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Speaker 1: the salad years, the salad you know, like the salad days.

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Speaker 1: It was a simpler time. Well, and it was you know,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the early two thousand's, we were

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Speaker 1: definitely making some youthful mistakes. That's true. That's true. And

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Speaker 1: some youthful salads. Um. Yeah, but this episode very excited

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Speaker 1: Let everybody feel good about themselves, I hope, because this

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Speaker 1: story is about Susan Kunhausen. Now, she felt like she

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Speaker 1: let's hear the ridiculous true story of Susan Kunhausen turning

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Speaker 1: hey their French come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got

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Speaker 1: It's just about ridiculous relationships. A lover, it might be

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Speaker 1: Clans Ridiculous Roleance a production of I Heart Radio. So Susan,

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Speaker 1: She said, quote, my parents loved me, but they couldn't

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Speaker 1: I'm a thirty nine year old divorced white male. I

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Speaker 1: She's using her teeth. Now, Jack, she has bitten her

424
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: attacker on the legs. Oh, he's biting back. He's got

425
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: her arm like a dog with a bow. But she

426
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 1: sat back on his side. Oh, she's even bitten his crotch.

427
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: There being about that one. Uh, and you can see this.

428
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: She's also trying to go through his pockets at the

429
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: same time, maybe looking for some idea to leave for

430
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: the cops. Smart Susan. Susan is determined to leave a

431
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: mark on this guy, and she means to survive this encounter,

432
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: or at least make sure the police can trace her. Smart.

433
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: You got to admire that forethought. Oh. Oh, she's got him.

434
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: She's got him. She's mad to drag him down. She's

435
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: got him in a choke called. Oh, she's got the overhead. Now,

436
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. She's on top of him with her

437
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: arm around his neck. She's asking him repeatedly who sent him.

438
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: She knows this is no casual burglary. Jack. I bet

439
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: she's wondering how this guy got in without breaking any

440
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: windows or locks. I know, I am her killer is

441
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: turning purple now, but he's not talking. These two fighters

442
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: have gone head to head for fifteen minutes straight. Cassandra,

443
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: I just want to point out for the fans at

444
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: home that that is the equivalent of five rounds of

445
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: professional boxing or three rounds of head to head combat

446
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: in the UFC. But the difference here is there are

447
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: no rules, no rounds, no ref and no one to

448
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: save her from his murderous intentions. Oh. Man, I cannot

449
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: believe she's holding her Oh he is down, he's not moving.

450
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: He's not moving. That's one, two, three, and Susan cunhouse

451
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: and it's picked two. Susan has stage herself. What a battle, Jack,

452
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: This is one for the booking. Amazing, incredible fight. Yes,

453
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: and again that is what happened, as we have it

454
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: from Susan. That's that is how that fight went down.

455
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 1: Including him. The only thing he ever said to her

456
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: was wow, you're strong. And he did not expect that

457
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: ship you know, messed with an ear nurse. No, man,

458
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you are. And your friend has told us

459
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: some harrowing stories of the attacks she's endured. She has

460
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: also been punched in the face rankly by somebody and

461
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I'm like, I didn't know it was

462
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: would have had no idea. No, I mean it makes

463
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: sense when you say it. Of course, people going to

464
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 1: the emergency room or kind of in extremists, they might

465
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: do something crazy, but it just didn't occur to just

466
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: just be aware that your your friends in healthcare are

467
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: not just saving lives, but they're often defending their own life.

468
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: It is got to be one of the hardest jobs

469
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: in the world, and it is made. I'm amazed by

470
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: it every time I hear anything more seriously and that

471
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean and Susan, I mean crushed this guy. Um,

472
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: but there would be no heavyweight championship belt for Susan

473
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: as she deserves. Um. Injured, the blood running from the

474
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: wounds on her head, a black eye beginning to form,

475
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: Susan grabbed the hammer and ran to her neighbor Anne's apartment. Smart. Smart,

476
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: by the way, you don't leave the weapon on the

477
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: ground with with the killer you think is dead. I've

478
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: seen that movie exactly. She's a smart Okay, she's thinking

479
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: so clear headed to because you're like, oh, I killed him,

480
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: he's right here in this room you come in. Where

481
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: is he behind with the true so true. I'm admiring

482
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: her because she's really thinking kind of so clearly, like, oh,

483
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: let me make sure to look for I D and

484
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: we try to leave teeth marks on this guy so

485
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: that if he kills me, or really when he kills me.

486
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: She really thought that she was dying tonight, you know

487
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: what I mean. She's like, when he kills me, they'll

488
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: be able to see that I fought for my life

489
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I'm just like impressed that she

490
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: could even be thinking I was trying to put myself

491
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: in her shoes, and I'd be like, I mean, I

492
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: was just flawing around wildly, like never thinking anything like that.

493
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, she she ran to her neighbor Ann's apartment,

494
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: who called the police, and you know, of course they

495
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: were like, well, just Susan need an ambulance and I

496
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: was like, no, but maybe the other guy does, which

497
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: is awesome, send her for the other guy. Um. And

498
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: when authorities arrived, you know, they were it was pretty

499
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: clear that this was self defense. There was no question

500
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: that Susan, you know, was some kind of attack. They

501
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: were like, this is a bloody mess. She is super

502
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: beaten up and of course, really shaken by this insane

503
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: attack that she had experienced, and her attacker was identified

504
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: as a guy named Edward Dalton Happy. He had a

505
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: drug problem and a very long rap sheet, and so

506
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: they just kind of figured, you know, you must have

507
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: surprised him robbing your house and he, you know, turned

508
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: he tried to kill you. But she was kind of like,

509
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm not buying that because at no point had he

510
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: asked her anything about money or valuables. She had also

511
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: she had surprised him in the act of robbing him.

512
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: Where's the stuff he was taking? You know, he isn't

513
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: like just hanging out in her bedroom anyway. So she's

514
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: just like, no, I don't think so, No, that seems weird.

515
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, somebody's going to break in your

516
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: house to steal ship. They're not trying to add murder.

517
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: And look, most most robberies, you know, if you walk

518
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: in and somebody's robbing your house, they're gonna hide until

519
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to leave. Most of the times

520
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: you've had a robber in your house, you didn't even

521
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: know about it. Comfortable there might be a robber in

522
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: your house right now. Have you checked your bedroom today.

523
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: Just take a glance under the bed just to be sure. Um,

524
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: you're fine, No one's in your house, doubtful. So the

525
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: next day, Susan's friend Helen came by to help her

526
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: get some of her stuff out of her house, and

527
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: Helen stumbled on a backpack that the attacker had left behind,

528
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: and the cops, in all of their diligence, had totally

529
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: missed um. And inside this backpack was a bottle of

530
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: Hershey's syrup and some diabetic medication and a paste of

531
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: made out to halfy and a day book. Of course,

532
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: they flipped open the day back and they're like, let

533
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: me find out everything I can here. Right did he

534
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: write down going to rob some lady's house today if

535
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: she pops out? But no, right there on Monday, September four,

536
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: half he had written call Mike and it had Susan's

537
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: ex's new cell phone number. You know. She saw that

538
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: and was like, that's son of a b Also terrible

539
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: assassin who writes down in his day planner that he

540
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: carries around with him called the guy who hired you

541
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: just to kill this lady. Like, come on, this guy

542
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: sucked in many ways as well. Find but I think

543
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: maybe if you want to hire an assassin, just as

544
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: just a pro tip from me, not that I've ever

545
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: hired one, but a pro tip that I'm learning from

546
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: this story is maybe don't get a guy who is

547
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: a super heavy cocaine user because he might funk up.

548
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: And Yeah, so it turns out Susan's divorce was even

549
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: more contentious than she had thought. Mike was super piste

550
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: when Susan asked for an official divorce in July because

551
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: he's already living at his father's house but he can't

552
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: stay there, so he's like, I got nowhere to go.

553
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: He had just lost his job at the porn store,

554
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: so he's like, I got no money. Now Susan wants

555
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: a divorce, which meant he would lose his health benefits

556
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: that he got through her job. So he was just

557
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, what, if Susan was dead,

558
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: that would solve all my problems. I don't think so, Mike.

559
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: I think you have a lot of problems that cannot

560
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: be solved by anything. Yeah, and you know, killing someone

561
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: often results in more problems, is what I've generally learned. That's,

562
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, somebody has not been heavy into the historical

563
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: facts when they think that. I mean, it's not like

564
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: nobody's ever gotten away with it. But generally speaking, I

565
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: would say this is a bad solution for your problems.

566
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: I agree. And yeah, he was kind of like he

567
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: knew he wouldn't get any life insurance money from her

568
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: dying because she had actually named her brother as her beneficiary, um,

569
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: which I think is kind of telling, Like why not

570
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: do you think she changed it like after she said it,

571
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: or do you think he was always her beneficiary? I

572
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: think maybe at least when things started to get bad,

573
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: she was like, I mean, when she's like dealing with

574
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: this guy who's like, he's so meticulous about her finances

575
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: and he doesn't make any of yourself, and she's clearly

576
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: like he's not doing the work for her, so why

577
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: should she leave him anything. Yeah. My speculation station is that, uh,

578
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, she did it after she asked for a divorce,

579
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: but um, you know, I'd believe it if she did

580
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: it sooner, you know, just when things started to get bad. Yeah.

581
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, Well, anyway, he knew that he wasn't gonna

582
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: get any any of that money, but they had paid

583
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: off their house, which was valued at three hundred thousand

584
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: dollars and that would go to Mike if she died,

585
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: So of course he would either have a house to

586
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: live in which he didn't want to stay at his dad's,

587
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: or be could sell the house and get three grand. Um.

588
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: So that's pretty sweet. Um. But of course he didn't

589
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: want any blame tied to him. Naturally, everybody looks at

590
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: the husband first, right, So he's like, I need to

591
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: be smart about this. He needed a guy willing to

592
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: do something crazy. Unfortunately, he knew some some some wild

593
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: and crazy guys. One in particular was his friend Edward

594
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: Dalton Halfy. Oh you know Halfy. He's the craziest guy

595
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: on the block. Half He was also a Vietnam Vette

596
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: and they had met through a veteran's counseling group, which

597
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: is great. You should be able to find friends who

598
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: can relate to your experience. And Mike had even hired

599
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: Halfy to clean the floors at the video store in

600
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, so, you know, helping him get

601
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: some work. He knew Halfy was a good choice for

602
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: this because half he grew up an avid tennis player

603
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: in an upper middle class family, but now he was

604
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: a heavy cocaine and crack user with this really long

605
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: rap sheet going back twenty years and in his worst

606
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: crime was that he arranged to have his ex girlfriend,

607
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: Georgia Lee Dutton brutally murdered. Her body was later found

608
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: in a river. Now, this guy had pled guilty to

609
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit aggravated murder and he spent nine years

610
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Oregon Correctional Institution before he was released

611
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: in two thousand three, and Mike was looking for a

612
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: low life. He found one. Yeah, this guy, because it

613
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh he's a crack There's lots of crackheads.

614
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: There's lots of guys addicted to cocaine who've got hard

615
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: times and well, you know, are happy to sweep a

616
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: floor for money. But this guy had actually arranged our

617
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: murder before. That's what made him a good choice. Yeah.

618
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: He's like, I know you're willing to do some like

619
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: extreme stuff, and this is a very extreme solution of

620
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: my problem. Right, So he offered half fifty thousand dollars

621
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: to kill Susan and make it look like a burglary

622
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: gone wrong. Yeah, so let's take a quick commercial break

623
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: and then we'll come back with all the rest of

624
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: the gory. Dtaire, all right, welcome back to the show.

625
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: So on September six, the Faithful Day, you know that

626
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: Edward was hiding in the bedroom. Mike disabled the alarm

627
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: at the house to leave Susan the note about going

628
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: to the beach, and most likely this is when he

629
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: let Halfy into the house. Then he drove to the coast.

630
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: He used a credit card to check into a motel

631
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: that afternoon, and then he drove back to Portland that night.

632
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: So he's so clearly trying to leave a little paper

633
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: trail about his ask being at the coast. But I'm like,

634
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: that's so weird to me that you would leave, check

635
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: into an end for an afternoon and then drive back.

636
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: Why would you need to be in an inn? Clearly

637
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: taken an afternoon nap on the other side of the States,

638
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: your honor me at a prostitute went in there for

639
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: an hour. The day after the attack, he bought a

640
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: tourists three fifty seven magnum at a pawn shop, and

641
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: then the next day he left a suicide note at

642
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: his father's place. It read quote all I ever wanted

643
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: was to be loved, and every time I had it

644
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: I fucked it up, which is so sad. I mean,

645
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: this guy's mental state is really sad. I wish he

646
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: had really gotten help before all this. I guess more help,

647
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: willing will, more willing to be helped. I suppose, yeah,

648
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: because that there's a level of responsibility that goes with

649
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: it too, or if you're if you just flat out

650
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: refused to accept it or to keep looking. It's not easy.

651
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can't. Sometimes it takes a while to find

652
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: the right person, the right treatment. Um. It's it's it's

653
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: not always just like Okay, I picked someone I walked

654
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: in and in a couple of weeks I'll be all better. Um.

655
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: It takes some work, but it is sad. I mean,

656
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: people do unforgivable things and you can still find, uh,

657
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, empathy for what they were going through that

658
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: led to that. Yeah, and this is definitely a situation

659
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: like that. It's I definitely sympathize with the guy not

660
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: being able to find a clear mental state. UM. And

661
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: also I do not forgive him for trying to have

662
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: someone murdered. You can do both. Um. So police put

663
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: out a bulletin for Mike. Obviously, they were like, we

664
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: need to find those guy, and they tracked him down

665
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: on September outside of a medical center where Mike claimed

666
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: to be checking himself in. He told officers, quote, I

667
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: have nothing to live for anymore. Now. The question here

668
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: is do you have nothing to live for because the

669
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: attack didn't work because everyone knew at this point that

670
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: she wasn't dead, so or did you think we were

671
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: going to get caught? Or is it because you felt badly?

672
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just wondering why he went through this

673
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: whole almost a charade of committing suicide, yeah, for having

674
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: this mental break right right, or possibly just you know,

675
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: that was all tied together like I'm miserable, I'm gonna

676
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: end it all, and I'm gonna take someone with me,

677
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: kind of almost like and on my way out, I'm

678
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: gonna cause some chaos. I don't know. I don't know,

679
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: or he was like trying to be like, Okay, I'll

680
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: do all these things to make it look like I'm

681
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: not in my right mind and then I'll get off

682
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: on and insanity plea or something, and then I won't

683
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: go to jail. There's a lot of reasons why you

684
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: might have done this. Whatever the reason, they put him

685
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: on an involuntary psychiatric hold, and they started talking with him.

686
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: He was a suspect, they told him. I mean, after all,

687
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: someone with the code had disabled the security alarm, someone

688
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: had let Edward Halfy into Susan's house. Plus Halfy had

689
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: that incriminating note with Mike's phone number on it in

690
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: his day planner, and they knew from employment records that

691
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: Mike had hired him for the for the job at

692
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: the video stores. They've got all kinds of things connecting

693
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: these two. But Mike kept as cool. He was like, yes,

694
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: I know Halfy totally, but he said, quote, I didn't

695
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: do it. Just because I know the guy doesn't mean

696
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: I did anything, which is absolutely true. Right. We're not

697
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: trying to jump to any conclusions. That's why we have

698
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: a judicial system, flawed as it is, to try and uh,

699
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: you know, prove your guilty beyond reasonable doubt, as they

700
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: say with some folks. But unfortunately for Mike, Susan's story

701
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: was all over the news. This was a big freaking

702
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: deal in this community because people, i mean, we're pretty

703
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: inspired by this story there. This is a brave woman

704
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: who went home from her long ash shift at the

705
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: hospital and then fought for her life and one. So

706
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: it was just like, hell, yes, Susan is amazing, and

707
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: so they just were praising her bravery. She's like an

708
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: every woman too, write yeah, this is not Charley there

709
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: and the regular person. This is just an E R

710
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: nurse in her in her fifties. She's you and me,

711
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, she's like if she can do it? Yeah, yeah,

712
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: people were like, wow, this is amazing. Susan, Susan, Susan.

713
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: So this story is a big deal. It's all. It's

714
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: been on the news for several days at this point.

715
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: And also on top of that, Mike wasn't terribly good

716
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: at this whole conspiracy to murder. Let's see, he already

717
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, he hired a cocaine user who put his

718
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: name clearly in his day book, So you might already

719
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: be thinking there might be some trail who's left somewhere else.

720
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, several people had come forward with some pretty

721
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: damning evidence after they saw in the news about this attack.

722
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: They were like, oh, I know something about that. And

723
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: he started calling the cops with some tips. These are

724
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: these are real tips that came into the police. These

725
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: are real how your officer, right, I saw the thing

726
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: on TV about Happy. I knew that guy. I gave

727
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: him a ride to the Applebee's where he was meeting

728
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: that couldn't housing guy? Oh yeah, hey Happy say anything

729
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: about him? Yeah? He said the guy was going to

730
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: pay him fifty grand to kill his wife. Hey, yeah,

731
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: I know that happy guy. Yeah. I'm a drug dealers,

732
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: so you know this is a serious tip. Wow, a

733
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: drug dealer? What's your name again? That's not important. The

734
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: thing is that you know Happy He told me about

735
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: the school. Now's a guy? Oh yeah, what do you

736
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: say about him? Told me he was going to play

737
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: him fifty grand to kill his wife. Whoa, Hey, officer,

738
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: I've got a tip about that Edward Happy guy. Um.

739
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: I was actually so made for a while. So, like

740
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: he wanted to let me in on a gig, and

741
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: he said I could help him with like this insurance scam.

742
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: So we went and met the coon housing guy together.

743
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what do you say? Yeah, said he was

744
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: going to give halfy fifty grand to kill his wife.

745
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: Oh so uh so, Hey, Mike, I just got out

746
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: the phone with three of your buddies. Correct me if

747
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm wrong here, But it sounds like you were planning

748
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: to give half the fifty grand to kill your wife.

749
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean, SI's all these guys in the same things

750
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 1: were all true. I mean these aren't word for word,

751
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: but the drug dealer, the cell mate, they all called

752
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: in and they all said, I don't think any of

753
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: them had New York accents, because you know, it's just

754
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: easier to do characters like that. Miss you get some

755
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: Canadian accents to get it. Oh yeah, boy, Hey, I

756
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: called in. Hey, Hey, their halfy uh oh, yeah, he's uh.

757
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: He told me he was gonna coin house and was

758
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: gonna get him fifty fifty grand air to kill his wife.

759
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: I was just down at the Tim Horton's there and

760
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: they told me they I overheard him. He said, I'll

761
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: give you a fifty grand to kill his wife. And

762
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: then they hopped on the back of a mouse and

763
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: they rode off. Sorry I didn't tell you sooner. Wow.

764
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: This is a great criminal and criminal mastermind. But it

765
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: really just seem like did you take out a billboard,

766
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: like all these people know exacting everything about this. I've

767
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: never hired someone to kill anyone, and I don't plan to.

768
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: I'd be very shocked if I ended up in that situation.

769
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: But I would at least know not to tell everyone

770
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: and their brother that I was going to do it. Guys. Also,

771
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: it's funny about the cellmate calling in was that the

772
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: cellmate had only been offered five grands to help Kathie,

773
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: and he's probably was like, um, no, okay, you don't

774
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: tell me your panic. I fifty grand. Then be like,

775
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: but you can help for five, but come on, what

776
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: is this amateur hour? I only worked with professionals. So

777
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: the cops told Mike about all these hot tips they

778
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: had received, plus the fact that his cell phone records

779
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 1: showed numerous calls to and from halfy Sorry Mike, you burnt. Yeah,

780
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: he was arrested. His bail was set at half a

781
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: million dollars, smart because he probably didn't know anybody with

782
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: that much money to get him out. Um. So in court,

783
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: Susan of course had to face Mike, her ex husband,

784
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: and she learned that though he had told her he'd

785
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: seen combat in Vietnam, his military records listed him as

786
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: a switchboard operator, so he might have been lying to

787
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: her from the get go of his life experiences. Look,

788
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: that's a that's just as noble of a job to

789
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: have to do. In Vietnam. But why, why, why are

790
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: you going to come out and be like, oh, yeah's combat. Yeah. Really,

791
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: in the ship you were switchboard operating. I'm not saying

792
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: that that's not an necessary job, because it is, but

793
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: just say that, I guess you thought would make him

794
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: seem like, well, exactly, it's just like um. She She

795
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: found out at that point that he had been taking

796
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: all this money out of her accounts, which explains how

797
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: he had fifty dollars to begin with. I did wonder.

798
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: I was like, where don't even get any of this

799
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: money from? And then you must have just taken it

800
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: out of their savings or something. She also learned that

801
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: he had been planning this murder for months. You know,

802
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: he had been surely they'd been talking throughout these months,

803
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: and he'd probably been saying some things to her like

804
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: I really would rather be with you, and you know

805
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: what I mean, maybe I'm I'm you know, a speculation station,

806
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: but you would definitely be replaying all these months in

807
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: your mind going, man, the whole time he was saying

808
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: that to me, he was talking to this guy about

809
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: when and where and how much and all this stuff

810
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: to kill me, and also telling everyone else in town

811
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: about currently telling everyone else, and I guess I need

812
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: to know more low life about of this drug dealer

813
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: might have warned me. And Susan told him in court quote,

814
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: if I ever believed that you deserve to be dead,

815
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: I'd have at least had the guts to kill you myself.

816
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: Sis was like, I would have hit in your bedroom. Mike,

817
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: your coward. But Mike's defense attorney insisted Mike was innocent.

818
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: He said his defense was that Edward Happy had just

819
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: broken into the house of his own accord to steal

820
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: drug money. There's no broken window, what drug money? How

821
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: would he have known that house? Particularly? Why picked that

822
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: house over any anyway? Sure, whatever you say, that did

823
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: not work, And in August two thousand seven, Mike actually

824
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: pled guilty to the charges and he was sentenced to

825
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: ten years in prison. And he said in court quote,

826
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people and I'm sorry. I

827
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: feel like Susan probably was like a lot of people

828
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: who else gout her. I feel like two people got hurt,

829
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: me and the guy I killed. So else are you

830
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: talking about? I told all those people I was going

831
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: to do this, and then really disappointed in me for

832
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: not following through but throughout his time in prison, Mike

833
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: continue to claim that he had never done anything wrong.

834
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: He said he only pled guilty to avoid a possibly

835
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: longer sentence, and he told everyone he was the true

836
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: victim here. Oh yeah, really, some gymnastics. How are you

837
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: the true victim? Somebody came out with a blunt side

838
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: of a claw hammer, But you're the victim here of course.

839
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: Of course, Susan. Meanwhile, she had to get her life

840
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: back together. I mean, first of all, she had killed

841
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: a guy. This was not okay. She was a nurse,

842
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: her whole thing, she was dedicated to saving lives, and

843
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: then she had to strangle a man to his death.

844
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: Even though she knew this was in self defense, right,

845
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: that that she had done nothing wrong, she had to

846
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: do this, but it's still messed with her head. That's

847
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: not something you do easily, exactly. This. This is something

848
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: I think people really gloss over a lot in self

849
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: defense killing situations, that you still killed someone, Like even

850
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: if you know, like it's like a battle or something,

851
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: even if you know it's me or you and I'm

852
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: choosing me, Um, you still killed someone. That's still a

853
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: really horrible thing to live with. In your brain. It's

854
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: I think of movies sometimes when I'm watching about these situations,

855
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: because he kind of met with one of two a

856
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: lot of times. In movies where it's so easy to

857
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: kill people, they ever think about it. It's just like

858
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: bad Guys, Bang Bang hench been dead Dead Dead. And

859
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: then other movies sometimes the same movies will have a character,

860
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: maybe a bad character, you know, face to face with

861
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: someone unable to pull the trigger. They just can't do it.

862
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: And sometimes in either one of those situations, I'm like,

863
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: is it would it really be that easy? Would it

864
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: really be that hard? Um? For this? For this bad person?

865
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: Um too? You know the kind of scenes I'm talking about.

866
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: They play him all the time. But but I think

867
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: I think it leans towards the ladder. I mean, I've

868
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: never had to kill someone. Fortunately has ever put a

869
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: gun in my hand and said kill that person, And

870
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: I won't do everything in my power to avoid that situation.

871
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: For I would like that very much if you did

872
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: not ever kill anyone, but speculation station, it's probably hard

873
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: to kill someone. I'm assuming I hope it is, and

874
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: something that stays with you for for a long time.

875
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: It's really hard to shake and people out there, we're

876
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: calling her a hero for it. All right, She's a

877
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: public figure now and everyone's cheering her on for having

878
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: killed someone. And that is really tough too. Yeah, I

879
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: think that would be so hard to just hold in

880
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: your head, like I'm not a bad person, even though

881
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: bad people kill people, but I didn't kill it. I didn't.

882
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: I didn't want to kill him. He brought me. He

883
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: brought me a fight, and I happened to win, but still,

884
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: and then all and then walking around people be like, yeah,

885
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: you killed that guy, Like that's it kind of reminds

886
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: me of this guy knew who came home from Afghanistan

887
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: in two thou three or something like that. Um, he'd

888
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: been over there for a tour and had definitely shot

889
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: his gun and killed some people. And we went to

890
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: like this party with him, and all his friends were

891
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: just so happy for him. He killed some terrorists and

892
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: he you know, they were all happy for him. And

893
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: then you know, we kind of managed to take him

894
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: aside and said like, really, how are you though, and

895
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm really not okay. I mean, you know,

896
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: you that's a really hard thing to do, government sanctioned

897
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: or not. It's an incredibly hard thing to do, to

898
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: take someone's life and then to know your whole rest

899
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: of your life that that's true, that you have done

900
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: that thing. Um. And I think especially if you're religious

901
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: and you're very worried about your afterlife and your soul

902
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: and all that kind of thing, like it must just

903
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: be just something always in your brain if you have

904
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: that kind of humanity and your soul of course, or

905
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: even a situation like that, like taking religion out of it.

906
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: But if you just think about the empathetic side, if

907
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: you're if you're relating to that other person saying, well,

908
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: they were a whole life. You know, a person is

909
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: not just the body, right, they are a thousand different

910
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: connections to other people and experiences. They're they're a collection

911
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: of life memories and that that should have gone on

912
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: right and then stops. Yeah, and that's that's tough. That's

913
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: really tough. And I have a whole lot of empathy

914
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 1: and sympathy and just just it must be so challenging

915
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: for people who have had to do that in hither. Yeah,

916
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: like you said, the line of duty protecting someone else

917
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: or defending themselves, I just can't imagine it just be hard,

918
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: especially being never expected to put yourself in any kind

919
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: of situation you would be. I mean, at least the

920
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: army you might be. I'm you know, prepared for that.

921
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: There's some there's some training involved, prepare you for that situation.

922
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: Her situation absolute not. You know, she's never been expecting that.

923
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: I will say that Edward Hafey's family wrote to her

924
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: and said, you know, we don't bear you any ill will.

925
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: He was a bad guy. He chose bad, he made

926
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: bad choices, and you did what you had to do,

927
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, don't feel bad. So that was nice for

928
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: her to hear from them. I think that probably helped

929
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, while we're since we're talking about it,

930
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: I just want to throw out I have not read

931
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: this yet, but our friend Jared Alexander, who's an awesome

932
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: writer and it's just a great person, just put a

933
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: book out called Volunteers Growing Up in the Forever War,

934
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: and I've ordered it. I'm waiting for it to come in,

935
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: very excited to read it. I'm totally making the connection

936
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: between our conversation now and what's in the book up.

937
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't read the book. I don't

938
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: really know it's details, but he has spoken on you know,

939
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: the service experience with a lot of empathy and and

940
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: uh insight in the past. And I'm very excited to

941
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: read his book, so I can tell you ahead of

942
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: reading it that you should get it and read it

943
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: to he's he's awesome. We already know it's good. So

944
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Susan is you know, she's obviously she's having a hard

945
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: time going through all this, and her boss had told

946
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: her at work that, you know, people just want to

947
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: think that they could survive an attack like that you

948
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Like she's the every woman in this situation.

949
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: People see this happen and they're like, oh my god,

950
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: if you did it, I could do it. Maybe I'm

951
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: not so scared, yeah totally, or yeah, like just you're

952
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: a hero because I can see myself in you, and

953
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: I hope that I would be able to also win

954
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: through something like that, like you're saying, but of course,

955
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: this is incredibly traumatic experience, and you know we had

956
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 1: talked to was bubbly and fun loving before and really

957
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: outgoing and everything, but now she's kind of paranoid and scared,

958
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: which of course you are. Somebody was hired to murder

959
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: you like, oh my god. So in an interview, she

960
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: said she felt like quote a broken plate glued back together.

961
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: Susan is so good with her words too. Could this

962
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: guy off in a word battle? I was like, let's

963
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: do a versus now you and me? Edwards. In restaurants,

964
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: she sat where she could see the door. She circled

965
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: the block. If she thought a car was following her,

966
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: she switched driving roots a lot. She would always keep

967
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: her car doors and windows locked. She told a story

968
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: that one time she had her sunroof open and she

969
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: was sitting at a stoplight, and she noticed a man

970
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: running toward her car, and she just immediately started having

971
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: a panic attack, you know, at her steering wheel, which

972
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: is a terrifying place to have a panic attack, when

973
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: she realized that he had run past her car to

974
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: catch the bus. But it was just enough that she

975
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: saw a guy running at her that that, you know,

976
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: you can just see kind of her mental state at

977
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: this point. She told one interviewer quote, I'm doing a

978
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: life sentence for picking a bad husband. M hmm. A

979
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: bad husband can be a life sentence, So be careful

980
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: y'all out there before you put that or a bad

981
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: wife very true. Bad wife, miserable life. What is it?

982
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: Bad spouse, shitty house? I don't know. Trying to gender

983
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: neutralize this, Uh yeah, you know what. There's all kinds

984
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: of problems you can have from picking a bad partner

985
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: in life, but good partners are great. But the problem

986
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: here that Susan's having is that someday Mike was going

987
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: to get out. And as that day got closer and closer,

988
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: she got more and more nervous. She bought a new

989
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: house and she surrounded it with gravel so that she

990
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: would hear anyone approached. Susan is a thinkerer. Yes, she's smart,

991
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: she's always thinking, and she bought herself a gun and

992
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: she started practicing at the shooting range. And in two

993
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: thousand eight, she successfully sued Mike for a million dollars

994
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: for her medical expenses and the lost wages she suffered,

995
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: as well as emotional distress. She knew that he was

996
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: never going to pay this off. Right, there's no way

997
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: Mike is going to make a million dollars in his

998
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: whole life in three lifetimes. Mike ain't gonna earn that

999
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: much money. But she at least could rest a little

1000
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: easier knowing that he would never have enough money to

1001
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: hire a hit man again, and that was mainly the

1002
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: reason she brought the case exactly. Even her lawyer was like,

1003
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: we're not even looking for money, we just want to

1004
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: make sure he does not have enough to pay anybody

1005
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: ever again, enough money to mess with her. But in

1006
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, she learned that Mike was actually

1007
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: going to get out of jail sooner than expected because

1008
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: he was sick with prostate cancer. And now Susan was

1009
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: actually nervous because, on one hand, maybe Mike was going

1010
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: to be too sick to plan another attack on her, right,

1011
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: So it could be he's done nothing to worry about. Yeah,

1012
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: I see my mortality. I'm going to go live out

1013
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: the rest of my days, you know, somewhere on the beach,

1014
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: and don't worry about it. I'm gonna bother you. But

1015
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: on the other hand, he also kind of had nothing

1016
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: to lose now, so that might make him more dangerous too. Yeah,

1017
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: She's like, you give him a life sentence. He knows

1018
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: it's not going to be very long, so he might

1019
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: come at me anyway. But only nine two days before

1020
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: his release, Michael Kunnenhausen died from his cancer in prison

1021
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: at sixty five years old. So I don't like to

1022
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: celebrate a death, but it's kind of a fortunate thing

1023
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: because it made Susan. Of course, now she's at ease.

1024
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: There's no one out there who wants her dead that

1025
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: she knows u um, so she's able to breathe a

1026
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: little bit easier. She retired from nursing and she got

1027
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: deeply involved with victim advocacy work in her Portland's community,

1028
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: which I wonder if because kind of what her boss

1029
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: said to her was like, you know, you're not a

1030
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: hero because you killed a guy, or a hero because

1031
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: you survived and people want to feel like they could

1032
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: also survive. And I kind of wonder if that sparked

1033
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 1: in her like, oh, I should be sharing this story

1034
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: with people so that they do know that, yeah, that

1035
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: that's a possibility, I guess um. She worked with several organizations,

1036
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: and in seventeen she collaborated with her county's District Attorney's

1037
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: office to launch a free website called Case Companion, which

1038
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: helps victims kind of understand the reporting process and all

1039
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: the steps of the justice system that they have to

1040
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: go through, which is great because of course that's such

1041
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: an opaque kind of things sometimes, you know, legally it's

1042
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: very hard to wade through, especially bet on the lawyers.

1043
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: So it really lays it out in layman's terms for anyone,

1044
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: and it also provides a lot of resources and guidance

1045
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: on handling trauma, which you know, Susan of course would say,

1046
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: you must. You probably are feeling like this right now.

1047
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: I that's how I felt. This is what I did,

1048
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: you know. And she told the Willamette Week that it's

1049
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: a comfort to her to teach others that quote. If

1050
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: you can't run and you can't hide, you have to fight.

1051
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: You don't know that you won't survive. So Susan Kinhausen

1052
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: badass of the week because she, I mean killed a

1053
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: hit man. I mean it wasn't like a professional hitman,

1054
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: but she still killed a hitman. Well, somebody came for her,

1055
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: and she's she turned the tables. She yeah, she's don't

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Speaker 1: come for Susan. That last quote, that's very similar. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I've heard that with if a bear attacks

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00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: or shark attacks or things like that, they're like, you fight,

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Speaker 1: fight your ass off because you might make it out.

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Speaker 1: You know you won't if you don't. It's exactly, but

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00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: I like to that. She was like, if you can't

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00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: run and you can't hide, obviously, the first two things

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00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: you should do is not trying to take on an

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00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: armed attack exactly. We're gonna look for options here, but

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Speaker 1: if you don't have those options, you need to do

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Speaker 1: everything you can to live through that encounter. And just

1067
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: to clarify, if you see a bear or a shark,

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00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: don't engage to fight with it. Wait with bears, it's uh,

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00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: let's see if it's brown, laid down, if it's black,

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00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 1: fight back, if it's good night, good night. You don't

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00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: if you see a polar bear. First of all, that

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00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: polar bear is probably very hungry, and it would be

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00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: awful kind of you to offer yourself up because your

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00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: body bears are having a hard time right now and

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00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: it's our fault. Um. I'm not advocating that we all

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: run into the North Pole to feed ourselves to polar bears,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying, if humanity is going to go out,

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00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: that might not be the worst way we could go, um,

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00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: just to to you know, to pay them back a

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00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: little bit for everything we've taken. But if it's a grizzly.

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00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 1: Do not try to fight it. It will be don't

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00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: take our advice as science here. This is just saying, uh,

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00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, go to the I'm sure there's a website,

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00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: a state website in Oregon or Montana or Colorado somewhere,

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00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: and in fact there is, I know because we went

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00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: out there. I looked at them all. But I'm not gonna,

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00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: off the top of my head give you advice so much.

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00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: Being a bear attack attack. I think it's true though

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00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: with black bears that if you yell, they kind of

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01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: on off. You can see a lot of videos of

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01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: people just being like videos yet and he's like, huh

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01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: bear in the in the we saw the black bear

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01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: in the grocery store or in the station station. I

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01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: was like, true, that's a good candy, that's a smart bear.

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01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: But Susan, yeah, not a bear, but a coke fueled

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01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: maniac with a hammer um. Which is the other thing

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01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: is so crazy is that he had literally literally had

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01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: a near lethal dose of cocaine, which I don't know

1099
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: if y'all know about crackhead strength, but it is a

1100
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: whole other level of strength. So it's amazing that she

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01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: was able to overpower him at any point. Yeah, I mean,

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01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: and you know what this guy had. This guy was

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01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: clearly in a bad way, right between addiction problems and

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01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: financial problems and probably PTSD. He'd also been to Vietnam, um,

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01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: so uh, and he had in the past arranged for

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01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: someone to murder someone, but we don't know that he

1107
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: ever actually tried to do it himself before. So he's like, well,

1108
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: let me let me take my drug of choice here

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01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: and get real fucking high on it before I go

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01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: do this heinous act um, probably not expecting himself at

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01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: any point to to lose if I don't do it right,

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01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: I might not kill her, but I don't think it

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01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: whatever would have crossed his mind, this might end up

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01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: being my demise. I'm not sure Edward Happy thought he

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01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: could die, because, like we're talking about a guy who

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01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: is clearly a diabetes but he had a bottle of syrup,

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01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: Hercy's syrup like that he was like, yes, sucking on sometimes. Yeah,

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01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how that works wild and then of

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01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: course doing so many drugs. I just I'm not sure

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01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: that he had a grasp on his own mortality very well.

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01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: So I think you're right, he was probably very surprised

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01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: that she was able to. He died surprised, That's what

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01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: I think. He was shocked when death came to him.

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01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: He was like, what didn't expect this? So I made it.

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Speaker 1: There's so many things that should have killed me, but

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01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: here I am not Susan. Not Susan. She was the one.

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01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, so hopefully take this story and go out

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Speaker 1: and be the Susan Kunhausen of your dreams, and you know,

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01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: freaking turn the tables on anybody trying to mess with

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01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: you and put it into your dreams or your life

1131
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: or whatever else is going on out there. Self defense

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01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: class is not a bad idea. You know. I've not

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01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: taken them myself since I was a child, but I've

1134
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: seen quite a few Marvel movies, so I know how

1135
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: to fight. You know. You just hold up your hand

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01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: like a stop like a stop motion, right like you

1137
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: hold out your hand like a traffic card, and then

1138
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Speaker 1: you shoot a blast of hot white energy out of it. Right,

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01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: I think, I guess for me, I'm thinking a black

1140
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: widow because I don't have like an iron suit. I

1141
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: have to do is like grab about the shoulders right

1142
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: and then swing my leg up around right and just

1143
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: get him to the floor then and then I kill

1144
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: him my thighs somehow, like fam key Jansen just squeezes

1145
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: what a way to go? Like if I got to

1146
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: go out and it's fem Key Jansen crushing my head

1147
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: with her thighs. I'm just saying, there's worse ways to die. Yeah, yeah,

1148
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: there are, like with a claw hammer hammer, My god,

1149
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: I guess he had to you know what, he had

1150
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: to do a hammer because he was a felon. He

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01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: couldn't like buy a gun or something. I guess maybe

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01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: it seems like a weirdo. It does, like really like

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01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: he brutally wanted to beat her to death, like that's

1154
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: in that it. Yeah, a knife at least that could

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01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: be quick. You can stabbed me in the right and

1156
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: maintain the burglary thing like, oh I grabbed a knife, right,

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01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: even I have a knife, I'm a blurt. Burglar makes

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01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: sense to me, But a hammer hammer seems strange, weird choice,

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01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: especially like if it was his own hammer, then that

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01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: makes it seem more deliberate for me because I'd be like,

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01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: why did you bring a hammer to a burglary? If

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01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: you brought a knife, I'd be like, Yeah, you probably

1163
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: always have a knife on you. Yeah, but a hammer.

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01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like you wanted to hit someone

1165
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: with that hammer, right, I mean, I guess you could

1166
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: say I was just using it to break a window.

1167
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: But he didn't break any so that was the other thing.

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01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: Come on, Edward, you gotta have you try. You're supposed

1169
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: to make it look like a burglar window. You can

1170
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: droub the house. It was wide open. I had my

1171
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: hammer ready, I was gonna smash the window. I didn't

1172
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: need to, didn't need it. I was like, sorry, trusty, hammer,

1173
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: you're not needed today. Tool belt with you? Wow? Well

1174
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: exciting stuff. Yeah, So yeah, go out and be the

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01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: badass that Susan wants you to be. Yeah. I guess

1176
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: that's what I'm taking from this. I think that's good.

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01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: I think that's a good channel Susan the next time

1178
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: somebody tries to stop me, Yeah, use that training, that's right.

1179
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, tell us what you think of the coon

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