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They packed it 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: into only six days against the Phillies and the Nationals, 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: going two and five in that stretch, run differential finally 28 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: dipped it below zero for the first time in a 29 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: very long time. What I'm going to cover on this 30 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: episode a few key takeaways from that seven game road trip, 31 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: mainly focusing on several individual players of interest, and then 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: we go deep into Brian Anderson, one of your favorite 33 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: Marlins players entering the season. Maybe you've kept the faith 34 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: and still consider him one of your favorite players, simply put, 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: one of the most talented players that the Marlins have, 36 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: and he is about to return from the injured list 37 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: after a two month absence. We're going to get into 38 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: all the ramifications of having him back. What I'm going 39 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: to be looking for from him, what his performance down 40 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: the stretch could mean for his future in Miami. Going 41 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: to the road trip, takeaways against again the Phillies and 42 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 1: the Nationals. The one that jumps out to me is unfortunately, 43 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: one of my favorites, Anthony Bender, where you can now 44 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: stretch this back his last twelve appearances almost exactly one 45 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: calendar month. In his last twelve games pitched, Bender has 46 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: allowed a hit in at least at least one hit 47 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: in ten of those twelve appearances, dating back to a 48 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: month ago, dating back to not coincidentally, the start of 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 1: the sticky soubstances checks in Major League Baseball. I tried 50 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: to warn you, guys, I did. I wasn't accusing him 51 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: of anything any wrongdoing, just the reality that Bender was 52 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: a guy that really relied on his spin rate and 53 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: on the movement on his pitches. We've seen that drop 54 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: off over the last month, and we've seen his performance 55 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: drop off along with it. He had that one sparkling 56 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: outing against the Braves, you remember that one six up, 57 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: six down, six strikeouts that came in the middle of 58 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: the stretch. But in all but one of those other 59 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: last twelve appearances, he's been allowing hits. For someone that 60 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: throws as hard as he does, the v low is 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: still there. In fact, I believe he threw his hardest 62 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: pitch of the entire season against the Nationals just a 63 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: few days ago. The v low is still there, but 64 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: that means that when hitters can get the barrel on it, 65 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: it just goes even farther than usual. So he's already 66 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: allowed a couple of home runs during that stretch. His 67 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: ERA has gone up from zero all the way into 68 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: deep into the twos. At this moment, his overall numbers 69 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: are still great. The fact that they found him where 70 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: they found him and they have so much control over 71 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: him moving forward, that is obviously a positive. I still 72 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: hope for the best from him. It's just a big 73 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: question mark of where he adjusts from here. He needs 74 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: to adjust. Even with what the numbers look like, this 75 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: is a pretty extended stretch where he has been mediocre. 76 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: I made that bold prediction entering the year that Anthony 77 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: Bender would lead the Marlins and saves. He got that 78 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: one opportunity and kind of since then, he just has 79 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: not been good enough to hold it down. There's really 80 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: no question at this point that as long as Jimy 81 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: Garcia is on the team, we'll have to see whether 82 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: or not they find a new home for him. At 83 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: the trade headline that Bender is not going to be 84 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: the Marlins closer right now, he is not pitching well 85 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: enough at the moment we had those warning signs, and 86 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: it's not the worst case scenario. I don't think you 87 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: could point to any single one outing where he's truly 88 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: been terrible. In all these cases, he's been able to 89 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: at least record outs at some point. It's concerning that 90 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: this is continued on for that long because if you 91 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: want to put this guy in the same conversation as 92 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: Nick Anderson. People wanted to make that comparison with him 93 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: as potentially that future closer. There's no reason to believe 94 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: right now that he is that guy, because there has 95 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 1: been that change since the current rules want to affect, 96 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: and those rules are going to be here for the 97 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: foreseeable future. I'm interested to see where Bender adjusts down 98 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: the stretch. In the meantime, because of the timing of 99 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: the struggles, we talked about him as an under the 100 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: radar trade candidate. Virtually any reliever on this team is 101 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: a trade candidate. When your team is out of contention, 102 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: regardless of how many years of control you have left, 103 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: regardless of how affordable you are, everybody is on the table, 104 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: for sure. I think due to these struggles, it's I 105 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: don't know how other teams are going to value him 106 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: at the moment, and I think it's even more likely 107 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: than ever that he's going to stay with the Marlins 108 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: past July thirtieth. He's going to be a very key 109 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 1: player to watch down the stretch to see how close 110 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: he can come to recapturing that form he had at 111 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: the very beginning of his rookie season, sticking with the 112 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: reliever Anthony Bass. I think this may have gone past 113 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: people unless you were following me on Twitter during the 114 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: game that he did it. Anthony Bass threw a splitter. 115 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,559 Speaker 1: This was supposed to be a big priority from him 116 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: entering this season, that he threw plenty of splitters last 117 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: year with the Blue Jays, had some success with it, 118 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: and I believe his plan was to ramp up the 119 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: usage even a little bit more here in twenty twenty one. 120 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: He got burned by a splitter at the very start 121 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: of the regular season. He allowed a home run in 122 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: the first game, first save situation he had as Marlin, 123 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: and then he went cold Turkey. He did not throw 124 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: any splitters the rest of April, in all of May, 125 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: in all of June until the very final outing prior 126 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: to the All Star Break. So when you see that 127 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: pop up for the first time in a few months, 128 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: you wonder if it's simply just a blip in the system. 129 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: In what we defer to stat cast as given to 130 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: the public on Baseball Savants, you could see those are 131 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: where we get the pitch types from. And the fact 132 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: that it popped up so unexpectedly after such a long absence, 133 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: you wonder if it was simply a mistake on the 134 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: programming part. But then he did it again. He threw 135 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: one splitter against the Phillies, specifically against Travis Chinkowski. He 136 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: got a swing and miss. It was not a particularly 137 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: good looking or well located one. But this is progress 138 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: because I believe this has kind of gone under the radar, 139 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: is how much Bass has struggled against left handed hitters 140 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: this season. You look at his year overall, and especially 141 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: his performance in high pressure situations, it's been disappointing. You 142 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: could just say that with a blanket statement that he 143 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: has been bad. Specifically, he's been bad against lefties. He's 144 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: been fine against most rieties overall, but there have been 145 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: a huge platoon split for him, which has been uncharacteristic 146 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: of his recent career throwing splitters. And throwing them effectively. 147 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: That's just a common way to neutralized opposite handed hitters 148 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: by throwing that pitch. The usage is still very far 149 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: down because not for the season overall, our total is 150 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: four total splitters that he's thrown in coming up on 151 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: four total months. That usage would have to come up 152 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: significantly for us to really feel anything about it. He's 153 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: one of the relievers that you would imagine is completely 154 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: safe at this trade deadline just because he has not 155 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: pitched well enough to really draw interest. He does have 156 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: another fully guaranteed year of his contract coming up next 157 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: year and then an option for twenty twenty three. The 158 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: Marvels need to make the most of it, and if 159 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: that means reincorporating this pitch, that's going to be a 160 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: very big difference maker again. So that's one thing to 161 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: watch moving forward is his performance against left handed batters 162 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: on the position player side. I am so confused as 163 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: to who broke John Birdie. It wasn't that long ago 164 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: where I was going going deep about how underappreciated he was, 165 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: how people were freaking out due to his early season slump, 166 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: and almost immediately after that he flipped the switch. He 167 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: was one of their most valuable players in June. He 168 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: was very recently a consistent hitting machine, on base machine, 169 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: playing multiple defensive spots like it was not that long 170 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: ago that he was a key piece of this team 171 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: to help them have a semi respectable offense in the absence, 172 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: of course, of Brian Anderson as the main third basement. 173 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: But a hat tip to gz in the House on Twitter, 174 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: who pointed out to me well I brought it up 175 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: that Bertie has struggled so much here in July. He's 176 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: just five hits in the entire month of July so far, 177 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: batting average in the low one hundreds, a strikeout rate 178 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: in the high thirties percent. When Bertie has struggled in 179 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: the past that it's never really been a huge strikeout issue. 180 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: There have been times where he's striking out slightly more 181 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: than the average hitter, but for the most part, what 182 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: holds him back is just when he doesn't elevate the ball, 183 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: when he hits it on the ground too much, when 184 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: he's trying to beat out everything for a hit, and 185 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: he's more often than not he's gonna get thrown out there. 186 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: This slump has been a combination of several different factors, 187 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: and I mean the biggest one is that he's striking 188 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: out too much. He's chasing outside the zone. There have 189 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: been times where he has had elite plate discipline, especially 190 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: during the twenty twenty season, where you look it up 191 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: and he just so seldom even swings that pitches outside 192 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: the strike zone. For whatever reason, he's doing that a 193 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: lot over the last few weeks. When he does make contact, 194 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: it's been super soft. His average exit velocity is under 195 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: eighty miles per hour so far in June. As we're 196 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: gonna get into in a moment, hard hit is considered 197 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: ninety five miles per hour or over league average is 198 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: close to ninety. It's in the high eighties. And for 199 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: this month, averaging less than eighty miles per hour on 200 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: his bat balls, it's brought down his season numbers. I mean, 201 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: his ops for the season now is in the six twenties, 202 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: not even close to being league average. Such a big 203 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: departure from where he was last month, and certainly from 204 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: where he was in twenty nineteen and in twenty twenty. 205 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: I have to bring him up because, like so many 206 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: other players on this roster, he is on paper, you'd 207 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: consider him a trade candidate because he's so versatile. He 208 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: does have that really plus skill as a base runner 209 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: and usually can trust him to at least get on 210 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: Bass on a consistent basis where he could put that 211 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: into effect. But just like Anthony Bass, I don't think 212 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: you can. I don't think any team is going to 213 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: show a real big interest in him right now given 214 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: his current performance, and for the Marlins even more so 215 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: than Bass, he has a bunch of years of team 216 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: control remaining if the Marlins choose to exercise them. He 217 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: does so many things that really fit well onto a 218 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: major league roster, but he's not hitting at all right now. 219 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: And again I wanted to bring up Geezy because he 220 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: did point out to me on Twitter that he was 221 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: wondering whether the timing of Joe Panic joining the Marlins 222 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: coincides with this. Absolutely does. Joe Panic acquired at the 223 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: end of June. He made his debut on June thirtieth, 224 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: and the slump with John Birdie basically started the next 225 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: day on July first. So why is that relevant? Because 226 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: before Panic was acquired, Bertie was starting almost every single 227 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: day at third base and occasionally at second base. Joe 228 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: Panic has been really big into his playing time. I 229 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: think Panic has just as many plate appearances, if not 230 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: slightly more than John Birdie does since that trade went down, 231 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: So maybe the irregular playing time is getting to him. 232 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: It's not really an excuse. I mean, Bertie has been 233 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: had all, always had stretches as an everyday player. I 234 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: mean the big value to him is that he's been 235 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: able to adjust in less than every day starting duty. 236 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: That he's been able to produce in irregular playing time 237 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: that is so hard to find. And I think as 238 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: much as I like it John Birdie, at times, I 239 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: don't think you move forward under any circumstances and pencil 240 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: him in at one specific position playing every single day. 241 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: He'll need to get back to bringing out the best 242 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: of himself even when he's not in the lineup every 243 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: single day. The final takeaway from this road trip, Miguel 244 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: Rojas brought it up right after Wednesday's win, how Isan 245 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: Diez has stepped up. 246 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: And I want to take a second to talk about 247 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: Isan Diaz as well. Sciences came back. He's been swinging 248 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: the bat really well, playing on the field like really good. 249 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: He's seeing focus, he's seeing ready to contribute, and I 250 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: really like what I'm seeing from the young players, and 251 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: I just want to take a second to acknowledge. 252 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: That there is a lot of understandable isan Diez fatigue. 253 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: He's got that long opportunity in twenty nineteen and did 254 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: not perform. The little glimpses of him in twenty twenty 255 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: were not good in spring training. After a decent start, 256 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: he totally collapsed during down the stretch in spring training, 257 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: did everything possible to lose a job for himself, and 258 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: of course most recently in late Man through most of June, 259 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: he was on the active roster and he looked terrible 260 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: in almost all facets of the game. But I need 261 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: to remind you that at this time two years ago, 262 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: he was one of the leading home run hitters in 263 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: minor league baseball. He was on his way toward Minor 264 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: League Player of the Year honors in the Marlins organization. 265 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: That's the key with him. I mean, you could look 266 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: at a lot of aspects to his game that bother 267 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: you defensively as a base runner. Sometimes his effort level 268 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: does not come across as being full on max effort 269 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: at times, but it come It's as simple as the 270 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: fact that you need his bat to come through for 271 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: someone that was an elite hitter during his final minor 272 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: league season as just the twenty three year old, even 273 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: now just twenty five years old, if he was able 274 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: to do what he did with his bat in the 275 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: not so distant past, you want to hold out hope 276 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: that that can translate to the major league level. It's 277 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: not quite the same as a Lewis Brinson. His major 278 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: league playing time has been I think less than half 279 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: that Brinson has been. As I said, he's about two 280 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: years younger than Brinson has been. The overall production has 281 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: been bad. I think we are far enough into his 282 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: career that the ship has mostly sailed on him as 283 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: any sort of everyday player. But over this past road 284 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: trip since he got called up, there's been a lot 285 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: of hard contact. I'll refer to stat cast ninety five 286 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: miles per hour or higher ex velocity, averaging about one 287 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: of those every single game making hard contact. None of 288 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: them have left the ballpark yet, some of them have 289 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: been getting awfully close. Just listen here to the sound 290 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: off of Isan Diez's bad. That's a pretty sound. 291 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: You like that. 292 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: The Marlins do not do a lot of that. Once again, 293 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: towards the bottom of the league in hard hit rate, 294 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: and most of those he's getting on a line. He 295 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: does pop up some of them. But when you do 296 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: actually dig into the SATs this year compared to like 297 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, because that was the one other season where 298 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: he got significant major league playing time, there are little 299 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: signs of progress. The production still sucks, but you don't 300 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: want to overuse this excuse. There is some evidence that 301 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: he has simply been unlucky. I think you remember one 302 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: particular home run should have been home run that he 303 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: hit in Miami that got pulled back by the center fielder. 304 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: There have been a few of those those really deep 305 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: fly balls hit just to the wrong part of the 306 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: ballpark that otherwise would have been out, would have been 307 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: for extra bases. There's a big discrepancy between his waited 308 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: on bass average and his expected weighted on bass average. 309 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: Anyway you slice it, he just does not have the 310 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: results that equate to the quality of contact that he 311 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: was making. This is just such one aspect of a 312 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: player's game, but it is so important. What the Marlins 313 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: are missing is having that great batted ball quality. That's 314 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: where you get your barrels from and your extra base hits. 315 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: From and he has a potential to do that. 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To 342 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: help build your portfolio, invest in what you know, invest 343 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: in sports. Guess who's coming back. Potentially as soon as Saturday, 344 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: Brian Anderson will be eligible to come off the sixty 345 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: day injured list after suffering a left shoulder subluxation. So 346 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: the backstory to the injury is, you remember it happening 347 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: in late May. It actually wasn't all that apparent in 348 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: the moment when he suffered that injury on the field. 349 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: It was somewhat surprising when the news came out that 350 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: he was even hurt. Then there was that initial worry 351 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: when they were undergoing tests that it could be something 352 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: severe and require surgery. That is not the case. And 353 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: although he's been out for the last sixty days for 354 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: the last fifty plus games. I think the understanding is 355 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: that it was not quite as severe as that absence 356 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: would indicate. He's been doing baseball activities, probably for close 357 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: to a month at this point, right near the middle 358 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: of that il stint, he already started to do baseball activities, 359 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: and he could have come back much sooner. For reasons 360 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: we've covered, i believe on the show previously. The Marlins 361 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: just have not done a very good job at managing 362 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: their forty man roster, especially the lack of infielders on 363 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: the forty man that they just did not have other 364 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: guys that they can bring up for that period of time, 365 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: even if it was going to be a few weeks 366 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: or a single month. They needed to create room on 367 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: their forty man and they were unwilling to cut the 368 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: ties with some of these really mediocre players that you 369 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: already know, like Lewis Brinson or Magnari Sierra or even 370 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: in the miners George Guzman, like, they had a variety 371 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: of more expendable players that they could have cut in 372 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: order to keep Ba on the forty man roster. But 373 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: long story short, they moved him to the sixty day 374 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: IL so that he wasn't even eligible to come back 375 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: until this weekend as a refresher. He got off to 376 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: a slow start to the season, really more of an 377 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: unlucky start. I don't want to keep defaulting to luck, 378 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: but the stats bear that out and the eye test 379 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: bears that out. That early in the season Ba kind 380 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: of looked like his normal self, but his production coming 381 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: out of the gate was terrible. A lot of long 382 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: fly outs. He was not producing a lot, even though 383 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: he was hitting the ball hard, even though he was 384 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: trying to use all fields. And that did start to 385 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: even out right before he went out. Remember there were 386 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: two separate injuries. There was that oblique injury that kept 387 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: him out for about a week and a half, and 388 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: then once he got back from that, the results started 389 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: to come in. And it was especially just those final 390 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: couple weeks before suffering the shoulder injury that he got 391 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: his numbers almost back up to league average offensively, slashing 392 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: two point fifty three sixteen three seventy one. That's a 393 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: ninety two waited runs created. Plus. He played in total 394 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: thirty five games this season and accumulated zero point seven 395 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: fangrafts war If you extrapolate that out over close to 396 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: a full season. It's a three win season and above 397 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: average player. Even though his offense, you know, still didn't 398 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: quite get up to where you'd expect it, his defense 399 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: was outstanding. He was playing just as well as defensively 400 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: as he ever has been. So where are we with Ba? 401 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: He's he played only thirty five games, which means the 402 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: majority of games this season by the Marlins have been 403 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: occupied by other third basemen and they haven't really gone well. 404 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: There was that stretch in June where John Birdie stepped up. 405 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: He did great. Outside of that during that first Ileston 406 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: for Ba, and especially recently here in July, the production 407 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: has been awful at that spot. Overall this season, even 408 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: when you include Anderson, the Marlins third baseman have a 409 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: six sixty four OPS. That is their second lowest at 410 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: any position on the field besides only you could probably 411 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: guess it besides catcher catchers, where they have their worst 412 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: offensive production, and third base is second worst even when 413 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: you include Ba, and by significant margin, it's their second 414 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: worst when you exclude the time that he has been out. 415 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: He's finishing up his rehab assignment with Triple A Jacksonville. 416 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: The results have not been good on the rehab assignment. 417 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: Fifteen played appearances and only one hit, only one total 418 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: base yeah, slashing seventy seven one thirty three seventy seven 419 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: six k's in those fifteen played appearances, and even when 420 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: he puts the ball in play, I've been watching almost 421 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: all those. A few pop ups, some ground balls. Really, 422 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: I think maybe only one ball that he really hit 423 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: on the nose so far in his rehab assignment. It 424 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: is worth wondering exactly how productive he'll be straight out 425 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: of the gate. The expectation is he'll come back on 426 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: Saturday and play. As of this recording, just one more 427 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: rehab game should do it between now and that activation date. 428 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: He is earning a three point eight million dollar salary 429 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. We finish off by going through 430 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: the PAYBA angle to this. I remember that I was 431 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: pretty adamant about how the Marlins needed to approach him 432 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: about a contract extension entering this twenty twenty one season, 433 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 1: that this was going to be their window to do 434 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: it efficiently. If they were going to do it, that 435 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: they did not have a great succession plan in mind 436 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: for him. He's been so consistently solid as an all 437 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: around player. Now, there's some streakiness with the bet during 438 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: the season when you look up at the end of 439 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: the year, after twenty eighteen, after twenty nineteen, after twenty twenty, 440 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: and he's been very rare in that in all of 441 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: his major league seasons to date, all his full seasons 442 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: at least, that he's been a good hitter and a 443 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: good defender in every one of those seasons. You pull 444 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: up the list depending on what criteria you want to 445 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: use to define being above average on both sides of 446 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: the ball, and the group is a lot smaller than 447 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: you think. There is a very few other players that 448 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: have been as productive in each of those seasons as 449 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: be has been. Because of his particular skill set, because 450 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: it's not an overwhelming home run rate, because it's not 451 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: a sexy batting average, and just because of the ballpark 452 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: that he plays in as well that suppresses offense in general, 453 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: he is not really that expensive moving forward. There was 454 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: the terms that I threw out is I thought they 455 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: could get some of his prime years, his free agent years, 456 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: for like fifteen sixteen million dollars a year, and that's 457 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: not bad. I mean, that's the same kind of numbers 458 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: that you're throwing out with Starling Marte, and it seems 459 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: that the Marlins were unwilling to go there. But Brian 460 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: Anderson is four and a half years younger than Starling is, 461 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: and really, outside of Starling, is there any other player 462 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: on this Marlins team who is better than Brian Anderson. 463 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: I know Aguie lar has the gaudy RBI total. I 464 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: know Adam Duvall has the gaudy RBI total. I know 465 00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: that Miguel Rojas is so easy to root for. My opinion, 466 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: Brian Anderson is the second best position player all the 467 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: Marlins seem to be the best by default when they 468 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: trade away Starling Marte at this upcoming deadline. So I 469 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: could understand to some extent why the Marlins did not 470 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: want to lock up Marte. If they firmly believe that 471 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: he is kind of on the edge of that cliff, 472 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: that he is about to head into the decline phase 473 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: of his career, it wouldn't be the most absurd thing 474 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: in the world to see that as a possibility. With 475 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: Brian Anderson, that simply is not a concern because of 476 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: his age and because of the nature of this injury 477 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: where it seems like he took more than enough time 478 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: to recover from it. One particular implication that I don't 479 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: think anybody has mentioned is how this il stint extended 480 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: the window to potentially extend him. That if this injury 481 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: did not happen, I probably would have bet that Ba 482 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: ultimately is going to be on a different team within 483 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: the next next year and a half or two years, 484 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: that the window had closed on being able to find 485 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: a reasonable common ground with him because of this miss time. 486 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,239 Speaker 1: Really it's been those two aisle stints. So overall, no 487 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: matter what happens down the stretch, he is going to 488 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: play in barely half of the Marlins games this year. 489 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: And as I mentioned, the production was not there early on. 490 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: He got off to a slow start, and now he 491 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: has less time to make up for it. When you're 492 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: someone like him in the midst of your arbitration years, 493 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: the counting stats that you put up are so critical 494 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: to getting paid. That is what the arbiters use and 495 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: compare you to other players that have come through at 496 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: your same position to determine what a fair salary is 497 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: going to be. So earning three point eight million dollars 498 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: this year, I think a reasonable projection heading into this 499 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: season was that he'd be able to double his salary 500 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty two, somewhere in like the seven seven 501 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: and a half million dollar range if he just did 502 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: typical Brian Anderson things, and now I don't think that's 503 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: attainable for him. A more likely production projection at this point, 504 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: assuming no more injuries from him, is something in the 505 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: five million dollar range, pushing up maybe close to six 506 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: million if he really catches fire down the stretch. That's 507 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: about it. That's it's not bad six million dollar player 508 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: at the very most, and more likely in the five 509 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: million dollar range for twenty twenty two. To be clear, 510 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: he has one more year of arbitration after that, so 511 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: overall he's two and a half years from free agency 512 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: right now. And as was the case we saw with Marte, 513 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to negotiate during a season. Here's a 514 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: reason why it very rarely happens that you extend guys. 515 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm not expecting those conversations to happen right now, but 516 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: he is something to revisit during the offseason. Again, making 517 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: the assumption that he's still a Marlin at the end 518 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: of the season, they could do something really bold here 519 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: because he'll all have the opportunity to play at most one, two, three, four, five, 520 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: five games, but between now and the trade deadline, and 521 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: he does have this rehab, since there is that understanding 522 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: that he has been fully healthy for quite a while now, 523 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: even though he hasn't been playing in major league games, 524 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: would another team be bold enough to actually trade for 525 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: him right now, expecting him to be in everyday third 526 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: baseman down the stretch. I can't imagine. I can't, I 527 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: should say, I can't really understand why the Marlins would 528 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: want to do that at this time. No matter what 529 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: he does over this next week, they'd be selling very 530 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: low on him. But the Marlins have done bold things before, 531 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna make the assumption that they don't trade him, 532 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: that he's still going to be here through the end 533 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: of the year, and that they'll reevaluate during the offseason. Recently, 534 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: you may have been attending it that there was an 535 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: impromptu Twitter space's Q and A with Craig Mish hosted 536 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: by takes were made on Twitter. I saw more than 537 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: one hundred people in there during the live session where 538 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: Mish kind of unloaded about all these various takes and 539 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: nuggets of info that he has about the Marlins team, 540 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: and certainly covered in that was BA with miss making 541 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: the prediction that he would not be an extension candidate 542 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: and could be traded as soon as this offseason that 543 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: the Marlins when they didn't take that opportunity entering this 544 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: year to start with those conversations, that really said all 545 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: you needed to know about him. Some internal candidates that 546 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: they do have for third base if they do eventually 547 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: trade him. It's not really sexy group. It's better than 548 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: they have at some other positions. But the names that 549 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: are top of mind are Bryson Bergman, who is not 550 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: usually a third baseman, but he has shown the versatility 551 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: to do so. And obviously, as we've covered here, he's 552 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: been a pretty great hitter all season long at Triple A. 553 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: Joe Dunanz you remember him, he missed a big chunk 554 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: of this year with a thumb injury. He has not 555 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: been very productive at all for Jacksonville in a couple 556 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: weeks since returning from the IL, but there has been 557 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: As we've covered, there's been some real of his offensive 558 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: game and defensively too, because third base is not his 559 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: normal position throughout his whole pro career, but he has 560 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: adjusted to that. He won a Gold Glove at that 561 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: position in the Dominican Winter League, so keep an eye 562 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: on him deeper in the system. A really surprising story 563 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: this year is Bubba Hollins mainly playing for Hyai Beloit. 564 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: He should be going back up to Double A Pensacola 565 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: at any moment. Now. He's tearing the cover off the ball. 566 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: He is about the same age as Brigman and dunand 567 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: he's playing against younger competition. I don't know how much 568 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: you read into that, but he is also someone that 569 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: is surprisingly smooth defensively, and if the bat is playing 570 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: the way that it is right now, he's worth a look. 571 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: I don't think any of those guys realistically project as 572 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: being an everyday player, And although the Marlins did draft 573 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: some interesting bats what a week and a half ago, 574 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: it's way too soon to be able to project arrival 575 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: times for any of those guys. So it's easier to 576 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: probably acquire a third basement during the off season from 577 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: another team than it is to say, replace Starling Marte 578 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: in center field. Like there are going to be some 579 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: viable options out there in free agency and via trade. 580 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: If for whatever reason they don't think Ba is that 581 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: fit long term. But this seems this is a possibility 582 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: once again, even though we were ready to say that 583 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: the ship had kind of sailed on this, that you know, 584 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: you're counting down the days until they found the right 585 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: deal for Ba and push the reset on them for 586 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: whatever reason, that this injury has definitely increased the odds 587 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: that they find a way to stick around and that 588 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: maybe they do make an investment in him because they 589 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: don't see him interested in making investments in really anybody else, 590 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, passing on Starling Marte and just generally speaking, 591 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: as a team that believes so much in its pitching development, 592 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: it's hard to argue with those results that they can 593 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: turn almost anybody into a viable back end starting rotation candidate, 594 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: they would be disinclined to invest any big money in 595 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: any particular pitcher. So where's that money going to go? 596 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: How are you going to have continuity on this team 597 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: and actually progress to getting better. Just to tie it 598 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: all together, the Marlins, as bad as they are forty 599 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: one and fifty five, you know, the fourth worst record 600 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: in the third worst record at the moment in the 601 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: National League. They're not going to be tanking down the stretch, 602 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: even though they It's been you know, disappointing year a 603 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: variety of levels, and as we kind of knew from 604 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: the jump, the Marlins did not take a really active 605 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: interest in being a contending team this year. They didn't 606 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: really try. At the same time, they're not punting on 607 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: this year either. They're not really valuing there's no path 608 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: for them to get a top three draft pick just 609 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: because of the several teams out there that are significantly 610 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: worse than they are. They still know what the fan 611 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: base needs to see. They need to see progress towards 612 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: something Otherwise, there's the fans are not going to spend 613 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: money on this team, and I'm not going to have 614 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: money to spend on the team itself. That these last 615 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: few months are still very, very important and they need 616 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: to show that this team can still play at respectable 617 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: level and build some kind of momentum going into the 618 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: off season. Brian Anderson is going to be a huge 619 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: part of that, and we will see him back very soon. 620 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it again. I've been Eli Sussman here. 621 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 1: We appreciate you listening to the whole show. A couple 622 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: more of these coming up between now and the trade deadline, 623 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: we'll have our fish Stripes live streams heading into the 624 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: start of each new series. We're going to have a 625 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: ton of on site coverage during this upcoming Padres series 626 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: at Lone Depot Park. If you see one of our 627 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: people there, make sure to say hi, and they'll be 628 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: very friendly covering the team as writers and reporters and photographers. 629 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: We had big plans for the rest of the season, 630 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: even at the team itself has certainly fallen off at 631 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: the moment, and there are legitimate things to look forward 632 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: to down the stretch. Return of guys like Pa and 633 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,959 Speaker 1: obviously a variety of major league debuts that we'll see 634 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: once these trades go down in the coming days. It's 635 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: always exciting to welcome new talent into the organization as 636 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: much as you cherish the old guys. I think you 637 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: need to give this front office some credit that the 638 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: majority of trades that they have made the past few years, 639 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: they're pretty sensible at the time that they have been made. 640 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: The problem has been developing some of these players the 641 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: right way, particularly on the hitting side. But more often 642 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: than not, they get very fair value, very creative returns 643 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: in these trades that they made. We're going to be 644 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 1: covering every angle of that. Thanks, as always for listening. 645 00:35:42,560 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: Go fish.