Speaker 1: Previously on Queen of the Khan. Although you claim to
Speaker 1: have a graduate degree from Harvard, it's more like your
Speaker 1: resume could be a study in fictional writing at Harvard.
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman's attorney fires Peggy and puts her on blast
Speaker 1: for scamming Dennis out of more than one point two
Speaker 1: million dollars. It was the first public announcement that Peggy
Speaker 1: was stealing. But how did a woman with a slew
Speaker 1: of suspicious aliases and questionable qualifications she just didn't understand
Speaker 1: like basic finance puncture the venerated sphere of an NBA
Speaker 1: superstar like Dennis Rodman.
Speaker 2: It's an embarrassing situation, and no one wants to come
Speaker 2: out and say I wasn't watching my money.
Speaker 3: And this is what happened under.
Speaker 1: A shroud of secrecy. Peggy tricks athlete after athlete out
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars while literally banking on their shame
Speaker 1: and their silence. Never occur to you. She's doing this
Speaker 1: to twenty others.
Speaker 4: Wow, hell no, hell no.
Speaker 5: And that's why I was so like once I heard
Speaker 5: that she was doing it to other people, And I'm
Speaker 5: like Dennis rob Men we hung out with his homeboy
Speaker 5: and she used to brag about these people and it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: you was robbing them too.
Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the Khan
Speaker 1: The Athlete Whisperer, Episode three. She was a cougar. Sent
Speaker 1: your best.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: It's May fourth in the year two thousand and Indiana
Speaker 1: Pacers guard Travis Best is on fire.
Speaker 3: Travis again.
Speaker 1: Sinking ball after ball in a really close game against
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks. The score is tied now and with
Speaker 1: just sixteen seconds on the clock, Travis, out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: makes the winning basket, leading his team to victory. That
Speaker 1: is it, Indiana Pacers, but the hair. Travis Best earns
Speaker 1: nearly twenty million dollars playing in the NBA for the
Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers, the Miami Heat, the Dallas Mavericks, and the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets, garnering the respect of his teammates and the
Speaker 1: admiration of everyone in his life, especially his agent.
Speaker 6: Everybody likes Travis. Not only is the person, but his
Speaker 6: ability to play is cerebral. And the point guard it's
Speaker 6: like being a quarterback in football. They make all the decisions.
Speaker 6: They decide where the ball is going to go and
Speaker 6: how the offense is set. Up, and that was Travis.
Speaker 6: You know, Travis was a guy who had a very
Speaker 6: level head.
Speaker 1: So Travis Best is making millions of dollars in the
Speaker 1: NBA in the late nineties and early two thousands, and
Speaker 1: guess who's managing all that money? Yup, Peggy Fulford. But
Speaker 1: she's going by Peggy King at this point because she's
Speaker 1: married to a wealthy doctor named Forest King, her third
Speaker 1: husband out of five husbands total.
Speaker 3: She had husband after her husbands? Is that newar.
Speaker 1: Peggy's former assistant again, Chantel Cohen.
Speaker 3: Obviously something's working right, you know.
Speaker 2: And all these husbands were making over six fig ures,
Speaker 2: so she was doing something right.
Speaker 1: It's like that song She's a man eater.
Speaker 3: She is a maniater, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Peggy is living with husband number three, doctor Forest King,
Speaker 1: in a mansion just outside Atlanta in the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 1: in a wealthy neighborhood where the likes of Whitney, Houston
Speaker 1: and Usher have homes. And it turns out that doctor
Speaker 1: Force King has kind of a Midas touch because he
Speaker 1: not only makes a lot of money as a doctor,
Speaker 1: but he starts a very successful medical management business and
Speaker 1: makes a fortune there too. Peggy's handling the payroll and
Speaker 1: helping him with the books. Then Doctor King skillfully invests
Speaker 1: a lot of the money he's making on Wall Street
Speaker 1: and makes a killing there too, and Peggy is by
Speaker 1: his side the whole time, witnessing how it's all done,
Speaker 1: learning the investing lingo, watching all the paperwork go back
Speaker 1: and forth. One day, Doctor King decides, in addition to
Speaker 1: medical management, he wants to get into sports management, so
Speaker 1: he starts up sports management company called King Management. Then
Speaker 1: he and Peggy throw a lavish party inviting the who's
Speaker 1: who of Atlanta, and Travis Best attends. He's playing for
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech at this point, but his sites are firmly
Speaker 1: set on the NBA, and with a little schmoozing and
Speaker 1: seductive savoiffaire from Peggy, Doctor force King signs Travis Best
Speaker 1: as King Management's first client, and as the years go by,
Speaker 1: Peggy takes complete control of King Management. Even after Doctor
Speaker 1: force King divorces Peggy in early two thousand, he gives
Speaker 1: the sports management company to her outright. By this point,
Speaker 1: Travis Best is in the NBA making millions of dollars
Speaker 1: playing for the Pacers, and Peggy is managing his finances
Speaker 1: while attracting attention from other players. You see, Peggy's cleverly
Speaker 1: curated a reputation for being an investing whiz, and other
Speaker 1: athletes want to be in business with her. So it's
Speaker 1: the early two thousands now and Peggy starts a quieting
Speaker 1: new clients. She won't meet Dennis Rodman until two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, but in the meantime there's chum in the
Speaker 1: water in the form of perceived opportunity, and other athletes
Speaker 1: are drawn to her like sharks. She seems really, really legit.
Speaker 2: Her credentials were her ex husband's business.
Speaker 1: Again, Peggy's ex's assistant, Chantelle Cohen.
Speaker 2: It was easy for her to ride off of that
Speaker 2: coketail because he already had a successful business going on.
Speaker 2: And so for me looking at her, I went with
Speaker 2: her a few places to like one athlete had her
Speaker 2: dress a house in Miami, so we had to go
Speaker 2: in there make sure he had everything he needed party wise,
Speaker 2: food wise, liquor wise, and things like that. So I
Speaker 2: witnessed things like that. I met Travis Best. We're really
Speaker 2: good friends. So she was his financial advisor and you know,
Speaker 2: everything she did for him, So it was like she
Speaker 2: had the things to show you, and her face because
Speaker 2: obviously she's been working so long to get to that,
Speaker 2: so she could show you whatever she needed.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: I interviewed one of her husbands, Stanley Williams, in two
Speaker 7: thousand and.
Speaker 1: Two Guardian journalist and author of the book Family, Gangsters
Speaker 1: and Champions Ramon Antonio Vargas recounting the time he talked
Speaker 1: to Peggy's fourth husband, Stanley Williams, a wealthy and successful
Speaker 1: anesthesiologist who marries Peggy in two thousand and two. She's
Speaker 1: living in New Orleans at this point, for those of
Speaker 1: you keeping track at home, that's after husband number three,
Speaker 1: the Atlanta area doctor with the Midas touch.
Speaker 7: Stanley Williams, he separated from her in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 7: What's important about that two thousand and two date is
Speaker 7: the year that the NBA franchise that used to be
Speaker 7: the Hornets arrived in New Orleans, right, and so one
Speaker 7: of the things that Stanley Williams remembers is just how
Speaker 7: she was always socializing with New Orleans Hornets personal right
Speaker 7: baron Dat Chris Paul Stacy Augman, former coach Byron Scott,
Speaker 7: who was a showtime Laker when he was a player,
Speaker 7: and he actually describes meeting her at a fundraiser where
Speaker 7: her companion was Wicki Williams, former New Orleans Saints Starr.
Speaker 7: It worked both ways, right, Like the company that she
Speaker 7: caps is like wow, like she must be legit. Like
Speaker 7: look at all the access that she has to all
Speaker 7: these people who you know, who dominate like the local
Speaker 7: news coverage in terms of TV, and who are on
Speaker 7: national TV every now and then, and who are in
Speaker 7: the newspaper. That to him also was very much like,
Speaker 7: you know, man, like I have a catch here. He
Speaker 7: felt that maybe a lot of these men wanted to
Speaker 7: be to be more than just associates with her, and
Speaker 7: that obviously motivated him to be the best that he
Speaker 7: could be for her as far as to keep her interest.
Speaker 1: But what no one knows is that Peggy is stealing
Speaker 1: from her clients. According to court records, she scams more
Speaker 1: than two million dollars from Travis Best over the course
Speaker 1: of a decade. But when he finds that out in
Speaker 1: twenty ten, he doesn't go to police, he doesn't go
Speaker 1: to the press, he doesn't publicly say a peep to anyone.
Speaker 1: According to his former.
Speaker 6: Agent, Travis hasn't done any interviews with anybody because he
Speaker 6: doesn't want to talk about it. He's embarrassed by the
Speaker 6: whole situation, and he's upset, and he feels like he's
Speaker 6: had his soul ripped out.
Speaker 1: And Travis Best isn't the only NBA player to go
Speaker 1: gentle into that good night, quietly licking their wounds and
Speaker 1: limping away after Peggy scams them five years earlier, she
Speaker 1: cons another NBA player who doesn't go public either.
Speaker 4: It is what it is. It's not nothing you could
Speaker 4: take back.
Speaker 1: That's Rashad mccantz. In the early two thousands, he makes
Speaker 1: a name for himself as a shooting guard for the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Timberwolves and the Sacramento Kings. So how did you
Speaker 1: first meet Peggy?
Speaker 4: How did I first meet Peggy?
Speaker 1: Like, what was the year, what were you up to?
Speaker 1: How'd it happen? I'm actually kind of surprised by how
Speaker 1: Rashad mccentz answers this question after the break, Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Queen of the Khan. I'm talking to one of
Speaker 1: the pro athletes Peggy used to manage the finances for
Speaker 1: and be a shooting guard. Rashad mccent's So how did
Speaker 1: you first meet Peggy?
Speaker 4: Oh, it was two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five.
Speaker 5: This was before the draft or any of those things.
Speaker 5: This is during pretty much the courting season for agents
Speaker 5: finding you know, what players are going to pick up
Speaker 5: for the draft and who's good who's not. I met
Speaker 5: her through a close friend of mine who was Richard
Speaker 5: Hamilton's cousin.
Speaker 1: And for people who don't know who's Richard Hamilton.
Speaker 5: Richard Hamilton is a basketball player. He played for the
Speaker 5: Detroit Pistons, and his cousin was like a financial advisor,
Speaker 5: and he introduced me to Peggy. At the time, I
Speaker 5: was looking for a pivot because I had just had
Speaker 5: a financial advisor that wasn't giving me the freedoman I
Speaker 5: wanted with my money. So I was just looking for
Speaker 5: other avenues.
Speaker 1: It's interesting Dennis Rodman was in a similar situation to you.
Speaker 1: He was leaving his money manager at the time. From
Speaker 1: what I hear, the money manager had a major drug problem.
Speaker 1: He was in a rehab so Dennis Rodman needed to
Speaker 1: find someone new. And Peggy's right there kind of a
Speaker 1: similar situation to you. You left your money manager.
Speaker 5: Well, I just wanted more access to my funds. They
Speaker 5: were restricting my funds.
Speaker 1: They were restricted, and Peggy seemed to be like, she
Speaker 1: wouldn't be as restrictive.
Speaker 5: Well, I would just have more control because I wasn't
Speaker 5: with the actual it was like a bank. It wasn't
Speaker 5: necessarily a financial company.
Speaker 1: Okay, it was like a business like corporation.
Speaker 4: Cold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you felt like a number. You didn't feel like
Speaker 1: you mattered.
Speaker 5: Well, it was just the fact that I had to
Speaker 5: go through loopholes to get my own money. I didn't
Speaker 5: want to do that. I wanted what I wanted when
Speaker 5: I wanted it, and I don't want to ask nobody
Speaker 5: for nothing.
Speaker 4: It's mine, all right. So when I.
Speaker 5: Left them getting with Peggy, she put me with sun
Speaker 5: Trust Bank, but she ended up getting the power turning
Speaker 5: and signing up setting up all the trust and all
Speaker 5: that stuff.
Speaker 1: What's your impression of her? What does she look like,
Speaker 1: what'd she sound like? What does she feel like?
Speaker 4: Cougar?
Speaker 1: She's a cougar?
Speaker 4: Yeah, cougar. She was a cougar. Yeah, cougar.
Speaker 1: Was she flirting with you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's a flirter. She's an older woman that you
Speaker 5: definitely take down thinking back now, like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: Peggy was somebody that would probably have sex with one
Speaker 5: of her clients.
Speaker 1: Make a note of that, because Peggy's perceived sexual alliances
Speaker 1: are going to come up again and again.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say that she goes out of her
Speaker 5: way to try to sleep with anybody.
Speaker 4: I don't think that that's her personality.
Speaker 5: But she gives more Auntie vibes than predator I want
Speaker 5: to sleep with you vibe she gives you. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm nice, I get drunk, I drink, I loud, you know,
Speaker 5: I laugh.
Speaker 4: But I'm really just praying on you, guys. I'm playing
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 1: And that game in two thousand and five has Rashad
Speaker 1: mccantz signing over power of attorney to Peggy. She's supposed
Speaker 1: to be paying his bills while investing the rest of
Speaker 1: his money to create what do you call that? Wealth generation?
Speaker 1: That was her buzzword to everyone, right, generational wealth generation,
Speaker 1: something for your family, your kids, your children, your children's children,
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 4: That's where every financial advisor hits you with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that was appealing.
Speaker 5: It wasn't necessarily that it was appealing because I had
Speaker 5: just left a whole other firm to hear the same pitch.
Speaker 5: It was the same type of pitch, but it was
Speaker 5: just coming from a black woman who's trying to get
Speaker 5: into the industry.
Speaker 1: Ah, so you had like a soft spot because like she.
Speaker 5: Never nobody had never done it, nobody gave her an
Speaker 5: opportunity to do it. Wow, like this at this level.
Speaker 5: And I wasn't thinking of Dennis Robbing and anybody else.
Speaker 5: I wasn't asking those questions. It was just say, she's
Speaker 5: good at this. It's what she do. She sounds like
Speaker 5: she knows. She's like, I got my degree in this,
Speaker 5: I went to school for this. She's selling it.
Speaker 1: Did she tell you she went to Harvard?
Speaker 4: She did.
Speaker 5: So she came in and just kind of filled all
Speaker 5: the positions, you know as a black woman.
Speaker 4: She talked to talk, She got in with my mom, good,
Speaker 4: my family, and.
Speaker 5: Oh and that's just kind of how I had. Once
Speaker 5: they're comfortable with the family, it's an easy decision for
Speaker 5: the athlete to just keep going on if everyone's comfortable with.
Speaker 1: Her, and your mom liked her.
Speaker 5: Everybody liked her, and she was very good at the
Speaker 5: whole black woman heart strings pull on you with the
Speaker 5: family thing, and we got to stay together and all
Speaker 5: that stuff.
Speaker 1: Like you identified with her, your mom identified with her.
Speaker 5: Well, my identification with her wasn't so much on what
Speaker 5: she could do, more of the opportunity of giving a
Speaker 5: black woman a place in our workspace where she could
Speaker 5: come in and say that she's doing these things for us,
Speaker 5: because there wasn't women doing it at the time.
Speaker 1: And when you saw her interact in this basketball world,
Speaker 1: in this professional basketball world, did she seem to know
Speaker 1: a lot of people? A lot of people seem to
Speaker 1: know her and respect her, Like, what did that look
Speaker 1: like to you? Did that kind of like legitimize her
Speaker 1: to you even more? Did she seemed to fit in?
Speaker 5: Well, I wasn't really legitimized yet because I'm still well
Speaker 5: behind the ears. So the people that I was around
Speaker 5: were grooming me for the NBA and the luxury of
Speaker 5: the lifestyle, but I hadn't understood it completely yet to
Speaker 5: be able to weed out what she was doing. So
Speaker 5: a lot of the things she was doing was just
Speaker 5: introducing me to the lifestyle and the people. I didn't
Speaker 5: know none of the people, so she could have introduced
Speaker 5: me to anybody.
Speaker 1: It's all new.
Speaker 5: It was all new, it was all new, So I
Speaker 5: was buying BRIONI suits and all different things that I
Speaker 5: didn't I didn't need or know.
Speaker 4: It was just like, oh, you're in your NBA player, you.
Speaker 5: Need this, you should be wearing this, you should be
Speaker 5: driving this, that kind.
Speaker 1: Of stuff, driving what I had a Range Rover sport nice.
Speaker 5: No, at the time, I had a BMW. But then
Speaker 5: she's like, you should be driving a Range Drovers. Just
Speaker 5: little small things that made it where I could trust
Speaker 5: adjustments because this felt like the lifestyle.
Speaker 4: It felt like the lifestyle switch.
Speaker 1: And how old are you at this point two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, twenty You're twenty years old. So here's this
Speaker 1: woman with like ten times more experience, seems to be
Speaker 1: this huge success telling you how you should look, what
Speaker 1: you soul by, who you should be, and she wants
Speaker 1: to help. Yep, it's an attractive offer.
Speaker 4: Eh, you know, especially at that age.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. When Rashad starts playing in the
Speaker 1: NBA for the Timberwolves, it's months before he sees his
Speaker 1: first paycheck.
Speaker 4: I hadn't had money coming in yet. I hadn't gotten paid.
Speaker 1: This was my preseason, but it was coming.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was definitely coming.
Speaker 1: And at that point, in two thousand and five. Peggy
Speaker 1: has all the paperwork in place, She's got power of
Speaker 1: attorney over Rashad's finances, and that first paycheck is earmarked
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 5: At a time it was to get my first check check,
Speaker 5: it was like nothing's in there because it's all gone.
Speaker 1: And the way Rashad finds out that his paycheck is
Speaker 1: all gone is just heartbreaking.
Speaker 5: And I couldn't pay for donuts one day.
Speaker 1: Picture it Timberwolves training camp in the fall of two
Speaker 1: thousand and five. Rashad's grunt work as a newbie on
Speaker 1: the team is to buy and bring donuts to practice,
Speaker 1: but that morning, his debit card is declined at the
Speaker 1: donut shop because his bank account is completely wiped out,
Speaker 1: and Rashad shows up to practice empty handed and flat broke.
Speaker 5: It was my first rookie check, my first Riki check.
Speaker 5: I got a call from my agent and saying Peggy got.
Speaker 1: Us Rashad's first paycheck for two hundred thousand dollars from
Speaker 1: the Timberwolves is mia.
Speaker 5: I really shocked that she would do this, and I
Speaker 5: trusted her and was completely blindsided, and then not being
Speaker 5: able to get it back, and then just not having
Speaker 5: money I didn't have money in a just got robbed,
Speaker 5: and it being like weird and crazy. I tried not
Speaker 5: to like it, just kind of let it blow over
Speaker 5: and keep going because it was it was like the
Speaker 5: first check, and I knew that if I get her
Speaker 5: out of the way now, we'll never have to deal
Speaker 5: with this again. So it was just kind of a
Speaker 5: you learned, you got burned. This is an NBA lesson.
Speaker 5: Look out next time.
Speaker 1: Peggy is only Rashad's financial manager for a few months
Speaker 1: when she gets away with stealing his two hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars paycheck. After you realize what she did, what did
Speaker 1: you do? Did you confront her? Did you try to
Speaker 1: text her?
Speaker 4: Call her? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I tried to call and text what it never got
Speaker 5: through and she ghosted you. Yeah, my agent had figured
Speaker 5: it out, and once he figured it out, he was
Speaker 5: already kind of he wasn't big on her, so he
Speaker 5: already had his antennas up, and when it happened, it
Speaker 5: was just kind of like I knew she was a
Speaker 5: bad seed.
Speaker 4: Didn't feel right.
Speaker 1: Did your agent call the cops or do you call
Speaker 1: a cop after you realized what she had done?
Speaker 5: Nope, So she knew she was in it clear because
Speaker 5: there was no paper trail.
Speaker 1: It's a he said.
Speaker 5: She said, Oh yeah, he came down here. But where's
Speaker 5: the proof, right, you know? If she has all the
Speaker 5: documents and I don't got the emails. She never sent
Speaker 5: me the stuff, so it's like, where were you here?
Speaker 5: Did you say those things? Did you give her permission?
Speaker 5: Did you say she couldn't take the money.
Speaker 1: This is kind of sexism in reverse, because she's the woman,
Speaker 1: you're the man. She's automatically believed, you're automatically suspected of
Speaker 1: lying that. I've been a victim of that too. A
Speaker 1: month before the trial of my con artist, she follows
Speaker 1: a restraining order against me, claiming I'm threatening to kill her. Crazy,
Speaker 1: I know, but it was brilliant, Yeah, because in nine
Speaker 1: times out of ten, the judge just approves the woman's thing,
Speaker 1: and I must be the crazy guy trying.
Speaker 4: To kill her.
Speaker 1: Narcissism, Oh my god, it's the worst. These people.
Speaker 5: The audacity, Yeah, that they even know they can be
Speaker 5: protected through the bullshit that they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, they're thinking ten steps ahead all the time.
Speaker 1: The timeline of how Rashad scam intersects with the other
Speaker 1: athletes Peggy scammed really paints a disturbing picture. After the break.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Queen of the Khan. I'm talking to
Speaker 1: former NBA shooting guard Rashad mckentz about how Peggy tricked
Speaker 1: him out of two hundred thousand dollars in a matter
Speaker 1: of months.
Speaker 5: It was my first rookie check, our first riki check.
Speaker 5: I had a call from my agent and saying Peggy
Speaker 5: got us.
Speaker 1: So Rashad figures out Peggy was scamming him all the
Speaker 1: way back in two thousand and five, four years before
Speaker 1: she began her one point two million dollar scam of
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman and five years before Travis Best realized she
Speaker 1: scammed him out of more than two million dollar.
Speaker 4: And you know Travis, he's fucking pacers and he was
Speaker 4: movies and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when Travis found out, he didn't tell anyone either.
Speaker 4: Because it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: But other than embarrassment, the primary reason Rashad never tells
Speaker 1: anyone what happened back in two thousand and five is
Speaker 1: the same reason a lot of victims don't think to
Speaker 1: speak up for me.
Speaker 5: It wasn't about her being as like a serial con artist.
Speaker 4: It's not even about me knowing that she was a con.
Speaker 1: It was didn't Oh you didn't think she was a con.
Speaker 1: You thought she just screwed you.
Speaker 4: She screwed me over.
Speaker 1: Ah, no idea, dude, chills, I have children.
Speaker 5: I was like, I got fucked over. I'm glad I
Speaker 5: got fucked over early. Let's just get this out.
Speaker 4: Of the way.
Speaker 1: It never occurred to you. She's doing this to twenty
Speaker 1: other people. Hell no, And even to this day, nearly
Speaker 1: twenty years later, Rashad's feelings about getting scammed by Peggy
Speaker 1: are not what you'd expect from a victim who took
Speaker 1: a two hundred thousand dollars hit. What do you think
Speaker 1: of her now? And after all that's happened, it kind
Speaker 1: of blew up.
Speaker 4: It doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 5: Like, I don't feel I don't feel bad for her,
Speaker 5: and I don't feel any ill will towards her. I mean,
Speaker 5: you get what you get, but it's my fault. I
Speaker 5: think all the victims have themselves to blame. You blame yourself,
Speaker 5: accountabilities everything. The one thing I learned about people who
Speaker 5: are con artists and take advantage of you. You go
Speaker 5: back and you listen to Don King talk about Mike Tyson,
Speaker 5: and they asked him a question, why did you do
Speaker 5: that to Mike Tyson? And it was only one answer.
Speaker 5: He said, because he let.
Speaker 1: Me woo, because he let me.
Speaker 5: That opened my eyes. And I said, well, damn, Mike
Speaker 5: Tyson can't say nothing back to that. It's the greatest
Speaker 5: answer of all.
Speaker 4: You let her let her.
Speaker 1: But she was like a wolf in Sheep's I mean,
Speaker 1: I liken it to the most simplest explanation is you
Speaker 1: go to a fancy restaurant, right, you have a nice car.
Speaker 1: You see someone who is dressed like a valet parker.
Speaker 1: They got the hat, they got the uniform, they got
Speaker 1: the tickets, they give you a ticket, you give them
Speaker 1: your keys. But really they steal your car. They're not
Speaker 1: a vale They were just dressed that way to trick you.
Speaker 1: Is that your fault, YEP, I don't think it is,
Speaker 1: because they were. You know, this is what connartists do, right.
Speaker 1: They assume the role they need you to trick people
Speaker 1: out of their money. That's their gun.
Speaker 4: But if people were so loosely to just get out
Speaker 4: of their car hand their keys.
Speaker 1: Everyone hands their keys to a valet.
Speaker 4: Don't be like everyone.
Speaker 1: I know, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 5: That's the differentiator to me is like, if you want
Speaker 5: to be like everyone else, get robbed like everyone else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want.
Speaker 5: To be robbed, So I have to take different precautions
Speaker 5: now because things have happened. And if you don't take
Speaker 5: precautions and you're not aware, you'll get it taken advantage of.
Speaker 5: So if you want to be green in this world,
Speaker 5: be green, take the bumps and look back and be like, Yeah,
Speaker 5: somebody robbed me because I let them.
Speaker 1: Ah, I'm so conflicted about it.
Speaker 4: You gotta have discernment. That's it.
Speaker 1: Are you trust? You don't trust anyone?
Speaker 5: Now, trust is a sticky word because you have to
Speaker 5: allow people and their intentions to manifest so that you
Speaker 5: can see who they are. Say, if you don't, then
Speaker 5: you're going to be contributing to the fraud that they
Speaker 5: portray up until the point that you actually allow them
Speaker 5: to show you who they are. So you have to
Speaker 5: at some point trust the people who are faking so
Speaker 5: that they can reveal themselves. So I can't say that
Speaker 5: I don't trust anyone. I think I've actually allowed people.
Speaker 5: I give people more chances now because I don't want
Speaker 5: them hiding from other people. So I can give the
Speaker 5: people more chances to do the things that they may
Speaker 5: not be truthful about, because I'm going to find out now.
Speaker 5: I'm willing to wait.
Speaker 1: You want to catch them before they move on and
Speaker 1: get someone else. Rashad's been retired from the NBA for
Speaker 1: more than a decade now, and he's become kind of
Speaker 1: a renaissance man. He's a frequent contributor on Gill's Arena,
Speaker 1: a popular basketball podcast.
Speaker 5: Because we play to win, that's why you would want
Speaker 5: to win.
Speaker 1: And Rashad's actually a published author now too. What's your
Speaker 1: book titled? Called The Light with Love? The Light with
Speaker 1: Love and what's that about?
Speaker 5: It's about three urban kids who find themselves immersed in
Speaker 5: supernatural abilities and they go about unlocking their abilities to
Speaker 5: spread truth in light.
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, you blew my mind? How long has this
Speaker 1: been out? So this is like a fiction like you wrote.
Speaker 4: This I did? Wow? Yeah, it just released actually like
Speaker 4: two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Congratulations. That sounds like a hell of a story.
Speaker 4: He definitely is.
Speaker 1: You've completely just reinvented yourself. Absolutely, My god, talk about
Speaker 1: a pivot, Ravo man, appreciate it. That is awesome. So
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, Peggy scams two hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars from Rashad McCants, more than two million dollars from
Speaker 1: Travis Best, and one point two million dollars from Dennis
Speaker 1: Rodman after taking over his finances in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: But by far, Peggy's biggest victim of all turns out
Speaker 1: to be Miami Dolphin's running back Ricky Williams.
Speaker 5: Because she used to brag about Ricky all the time. Oh,
Speaker 5: Ricky's my baby.
Speaker 3: Ricky didn't care about money like that.
Speaker 1: Peggy's former assistan again, Chantel Cohen. How much total did
Speaker 1: Peggy take from Ricky?
Speaker 3: I think they said about six million.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was really more?
Speaker 3: I think that it was definitely more.
Speaker 1: And there's something I haven't told you about Chantel Cohen. Yes,
Speaker 1: she was Peggy's assistant at one time, but how she
Speaker 1: actually met Peggy was through NFL running back Ricky Williams.
Speaker 1: How do you know Ricky Williams?
Speaker 3: I know Ricky.
Speaker 2: We call each other brother and sisters because we've known
Speaker 2: each other since I was five he was six, So
Speaker 2: we went to the same elementary junior high high school.
Speaker 2: He went away to ut and then when he got
Speaker 2: drafted to New Orleans, he happened to get hurt, and
Speaker 2: so I came to visit him and ended up living
Speaker 2: with him throughout his whole career and still my best
Speaker 2: friend to today. But I call him my brother's brother, sister,
Speaker 2: brother and sister.
Speaker 1: Yeah, brother from another mother for sure, sister from ass exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes, his family's my family. My family's his family. Like, yes,
Speaker 2: we're just not connected by blood, that's the only thing.
Speaker 1: And the way Peggy infiltrates the lives of Ricky Williams
Speaker 1: and Chantelle Cohen is just one of the most bizarre
Speaker 1: stories I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: When I met Peggy, her name was Peggy King. I
Speaker 2: met her in New Orleans. Ricky was doing MTV cribs.
Speaker 7: Now we are going to my closet.
Speaker 2: Here, and he had just bought a condo down in
Speaker 2: the French Quarter in New Orleans and he needed to
Speaker 2: furnish the whole place and everything like that. And so
Speaker 2: a cousin of Peggy's worked in I don't know if
Speaker 2: she was an interior designer or worked at the actual
Speaker 2: furniture store, but she came over, she helped out. She
Speaker 2: furnished the place and brought Peggy in to help her.
Speaker 2: And so that was the first time that I ever
Speaker 2: met Peggy walking into Ricky's condo helping him furnish the
Speaker 2: place for EMPTV cribs.
Speaker 1: And is that the same time Ricky first met her?
Speaker 3: Yes, that was the first time you met her.
Speaker 1: And how Peggy goes from helping Ricky Williams decorate his
Speaker 1: new condo to stealing millions and millions of dollars from
Speaker 1: him is just the definition of evil genius. So she
Speaker 1: kept you guys separate.
Speaker 2: It's separate, so she could do whatever she needed to
Speaker 2: do over in that house. Was that domino effective? Just
Speaker 2: people filling embarrassed? It was crazy.
Speaker 1: Next time on Queen of the Khan, she just showed
Speaker 1: up and she made herself available. But one by one
Speaker 1: people start figuring out what Peggy is actually up to.
Speaker 8: Peggy claimed to be a Harvard educated attorney. I called
Speaker 8: the Florida Bar Association, the Georgia Bar Association, the Louisiana Bar,
Speaker 8: anybody that I could think of, any place that she
Speaker 8: had lived. I just started going down a checklist, and
Speaker 8: no one knew her.
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