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Speaker 2: It's an embarrassing situation, and no one wants to come

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Speaker 3: And this is what happened under.

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Speaker 1: A shroud of secrecy. Peggy tricks athlete after athlete out

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Speaker 5: And that's why I was so like once I heard

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Speaker 5: like Dennis rob Men we hung out with his homeboy

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Speaker 5: and she used to brag about these people and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the Khan

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Speaker 1: The Athlete Whisperer, Episode three. She was a cougar. Sent

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Speaker 1: your best.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: It's May fourth in the year two thousand and Indiana

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Speaker 3: Travis again.

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Speaker 1: Sinking ball after ball in a really close game against

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Speaker 1: is it, Indiana Pacers, but the hair. Travis Best earns

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Speaker 6: Everybody likes Travis. Not only is the person, but his

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Speaker 6: ability to play is cerebral. And the point guard it's

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Speaker 6: You know, Travis was a guy who had a very

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Speaker 1: So Travis Best is making millions of dollars in the

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Speaker 1: guess who's managing all that money? Yup, Peggy Fulford. But

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Speaker 1: she's going by Peggy King at this point because she's

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Speaker 3: She had husband after her husbands? Is that newar.

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Speaker 1: Peggy's former assistant again, Chantel Cohen.

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Speaker 3: Obviously something's working right, you know.

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Speaker 2: And all these husbands were making over six fig ures,

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Speaker 1: It's like that song She's a man eater.

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Speaker 1: Peggy is living with husband number three, doctor Forest King,

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Speaker 2: Her credentials were her ex husband's business.

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Speaker 7: Stanley Williams, he separated from her in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 7: What's important about that two thousand and two date is

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Speaker 7: It worked both ways, right, Like the company that she

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Speaker 1: But what no one knows is that Peggy is stealing

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Speaker 1: And Travis Best isn't the only NBA player to go

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Speaker 4: How did I first meet Peggy?

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Speaker 1: Like, what was the year, what were you up to?

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Speaker 4: Oh, it was two thousand and five.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and five.

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Speaker 1: He was leaving his money manager at the time. From

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Speaker 5: Well, I just wanted more access to my funds. They

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Speaker 4: It's mine, all right. So when I.

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Speaker 1: What's your impression of her? What does she look like,

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Speaker 4: Cougar?

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Speaker 1: She's a cougar?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, cougar. She was a cougar. Yeah, cougar.

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Speaker 1: Make a note of that, because Peggy's perceived sexual alliances

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say that she goes out of her

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Speaker 5: But she gives more Auntie vibes than predator I want

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Speaker 4: But I'm really just praying on you, guys. I'm playing

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Speaker 1: And that game in two thousand and five has Rashad

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Speaker 4: That's where every financial advisor hits you with them.

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Speaker 5: Never nobody had never done it, nobody gave her an

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Speaker 5: And I wasn't thinking of Dennis Robbing and anybody else.

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Speaker 5: So she came in and just kind of filled all

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Speaker 4: She talked to talk, She got in with my mom, good,

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Speaker 5: Oh and that's just kind of how I had. Once

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Speaker 5: Everybody liked her, and she was very good at the

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Speaker 1: Like you identified with her, your mom identified with her.

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Speaker 5: Well, my identification with her wasn't so much on what

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Speaker 5: Well, I wasn't really legitimized yet because I'm still well

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Speaker 1: It's all new.

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Speaker 5: It was all new, it was all new, So I

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Speaker 4: It was just like, oh, you're in your NBA player, you.

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Speaker 4: It felt like the lifestyle switch.

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Speaker 1: And how old are you at this point two thousand

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. When Rashad starts playing in the

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Speaker 4: I hadn't had money coming in yet. I hadn't gotten paid.

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Speaker 1: This was my preseason, but it was coming.

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Speaker 1: And at that point, in two thousand and five. Peggy

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Speaker 5: At a time it was to get my first check check,

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Speaker 5: And I couldn't pay for donuts one day.

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Speaker 1: Picture it Timberwolves training camp in the fall of two

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Speaker 5: It was my first rookie check, my first Riki check.

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Speaker 5: I got a call from my agent and saying Peggy got.

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Speaker 1: Us Rashad's first paycheck for two hundred thousand dollars from

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Speaker 5: I really shocked that she would do this, and I

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Speaker 5: Look out next time.

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Speaker 1: Peggy is only Rashad's financial manager for a few months

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Speaker 4: Call her? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I tried to call and text what it never got

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Speaker 4: Didn't feel right.

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Speaker 1: Did your agent call the cops or do you call

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Speaker 5: Nope, So she knew she was in it clear because

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Speaker 1: It's a he said.

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Speaker 5: She said, Oh yeah, he came down here. But where's

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Speaker 5: Did you say those things? Did you give her permission?

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Speaker 5: Did you say she couldn't take the money.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of sexism in reverse, because she's the woman,

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Speaker 1: you're the man. She's automatically believed, you're automatically suspected of

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Speaker 1: lying that. I've been a victim of that too. A

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Speaker 1: a restraining order against me, claiming I'm threatening to kill her. Crazy,

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Speaker 1: I know, but it was brilliant, Yeah, because in nine

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Speaker 4: To kill her.

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Speaker 1: Narcissism, Oh my god, it's the worst. These people.

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Speaker 5: The audacity, Yeah, that they even know they can be

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, they're thinking ten steps ahead all the time.

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Speaker 1: The timeline of how Rashad scam intersects with the other

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Queen of the Khan. I'm talking to

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Speaker 1: former NBA shooting guard Rashad mckentz about how Peggy tricked

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Speaker 1: him out of two hundred thousand dollars in a matter

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Speaker 5: It was my first rookie check, our first riki check.

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Speaker 5: I had a call from my agent and saying Peggy

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Speaker 1: So Rashad figures out Peggy was scamming him all the

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Speaker 1: way back in two thousand and five, four years before

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Speaker 1: she began her one point two million dollar scam of

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Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman and five years before Travis Best realized she

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Speaker 4: And you know Travis, he's fucking pacers and he was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And when Travis found out, he didn't tell anyone either.

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Speaker 4: Because it's embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: But other than embarrassment, the primary reason Rashad never tells

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Speaker 1: the same reason a lot of victims don't think to

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Speaker 1: speak up for me.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't about her being as like a serial con artist.

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Speaker 4: It's not even about me knowing that she was a con.

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Speaker 1: It was didn't Oh you didn't think she was a con.

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Speaker 1: You thought she just screwed you.

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Speaker 4: She screwed me over.

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Speaker 1: Ah, no idea, dude, chills, I have children.

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Speaker 5: I was like, I got fucked over. I'm glad I

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Speaker 5: got fucked over early. Let's just get this out.

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Speaker 4: Of the way.

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Speaker 1: It never occurred to you. She's doing this to twenty

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Speaker 1: other people. Hell no, And even to this day, nearly

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Speaker 1: twenty years later, Rashad's feelings about getting scammed by Peggy

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Speaker 1: are not what you'd expect from a victim who took

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Speaker 1: a two hundred thousand dollars hit. What do you think

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Speaker 1: of her now? And after all that's happened, it kind

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Speaker 1: of blew up.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 5: Like, I don't feel I don't feel bad for her,

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Speaker 5: and I don't feel any ill will towards her. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you get what you get, but it's my fault. I

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Speaker 5: accountabilities everything. The one thing I learned about people who

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Speaker 5: back and you listen to Don King talk about Mike Tyson,

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Speaker 5: and they asked him a question, why did you do

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Speaker 5: He said, because he let.

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Speaker 1: Me woo, because he let me.

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Speaker 5: That opened my eyes. And I said, well, damn, Mike

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Speaker 5: Tyson can't say nothing back to that. It's the greatest

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Speaker 4: You let her let her.

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Speaker 1: But she was like a wolf in Sheep's I mean,

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Speaker 1: go to a fancy restaurant, right, you have a nice car.

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Speaker 1: You see someone who is dressed like a valet parker.

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Speaker 1: They got the hat, they got the uniform, they got

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Speaker 1: the tickets, they give you a ticket, you give them

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Speaker 1: your keys. But really they steal your car. They're not

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Speaker 1: a vale They were just dressed that way to trick you.

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Speaker 1: Is that your fault, YEP, I don't think it is,

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Speaker 1: because they were. You know, this is what connartists do, right.

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Speaker 1: They assume the role they need you to trick people

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Speaker 1: out of their money. That's their gun.

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Speaker 4: But if people were so loosely to just get out

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Speaker 4: of their car hand their keys.

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Speaker 1: Everyone hands their keys to a valet.

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Speaker 4: Don't be like everyone.

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Speaker 1: I know, I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: That's the differentiator to me is like, if you want

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Speaker 5: to be like everyone else, get robbed like everyone else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want.

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Speaker 5: To be robbed, So I have to take different precautions

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Speaker 5: now because things have happened. And if you don't take

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Speaker 5: precautions and you're not aware, you'll get it taken advantage of.

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Speaker 5: So if you want to be green in this world,

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Speaker 5: be green, take the bumps and look back and be like, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: somebody robbed me because I let them.

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Speaker 1: Ah, I'm so conflicted about it.

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Speaker 4: You gotta have discernment. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Are you trust? You don't trust anyone?

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Speaker 5: Now, trust is a sticky word because you have to

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Speaker 5: allow people and their intentions to manifest so that you

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Speaker 5: can see who they are. Say, if you don't, then

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Speaker 5: you're going to be contributing to the fraud that they

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Speaker 5: portray up until the point that you actually allow them

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Speaker 5: to show you who they are. So you have to

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Speaker 5: at some point trust the people who are faking so

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Speaker 5: that they can reveal themselves. So I can't say that

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Speaker 5: I don't trust anyone. I think I've actually allowed people.

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Speaker 5: I give people more chances now because I don't want

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Speaker 5: them hiding from other people. So I can give the

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Speaker 5: people more chances to do the things that they may

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Speaker 5: not be truthful about, because I'm going to find out now.

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Speaker 5: I'm willing to wait.

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Speaker 1: You want to catch them before they move on and

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Speaker 1: get someone else. Rashad's been retired from the NBA for

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Speaker 1: more than a decade now, and he's become kind of

487
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Speaker 1: a renaissance man. He's a frequent contributor on Gill's Arena,

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Speaker 1: a popular basketball podcast.

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Speaker 5: Because we play to win, that's why you would want

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Speaker 5: to win.

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Speaker 1: And Rashad's actually a published author now too. What's your

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Speaker 1: book titled? Called The Light with Love? The Light with

493
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Speaker 1: Love and what's that about?

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Speaker 5: It's about three urban kids who find themselves immersed in

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Speaker 5: supernatural abilities and they go about unlocking their abilities to

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Speaker 5: spread truth in light.

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Speaker 1: Wow, dude, you blew my mind? How long has this

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Speaker 1: been out? So this is like a fiction like you wrote.

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Speaker 4: This I did? Wow? Yeah, it just released actually like

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Speaker 4: two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations. That sounds like a hell of a story.

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Speaker 4: He definitely is.

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Speaker 1: You've completely just reinvented yourself. Absolutely, My god, talk about

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Speaker 1: a pivot, Ravo man, appreciate it. That is awesome. So

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Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, Peggy scams two hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars from Rashad McCants, more than two million dollars from

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Speaker 1: Travis Best, and one point two million dollars from Dennis

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Speaker 1: Rodman after taking over his finances in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: But by far, Peggy's biggest victim of all turns out

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Speaker 1: to be Miami Dolphin's running back Ricky Williams.

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Speaker 5: Because she used to brag about Ricky all the time. Oh,

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Speaker 5: Ricky's my baby.

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Speaker 3: Ricky didn't care about money like that.

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Speaker 1: Peggy's former assistan again, Chantel Cohen. How much total did

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Speaker 1: Peggy take from Ricky?

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Speaker 3: I think they said about six million.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it was really more?

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Speaker 3: I think that it was definitely more.

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Speaker 1: And there's something I haven't told you about Chantel Cohen. Yes,

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Speaker 1: she was Peggy's assistant at one time, but how she

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Speaker 1: actually met Peggy was through NFL running back Ricky Williams.

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Speaker 1: How do you know Ricky Williams?

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Speaker 3: I know Ricky.

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Speaker 2: We call each other brother and sisters because we've known

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Speaker 2: each other since I was five he was six, So

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Speaker 2: we went to the same elementary junior high high school.

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Speaker 2: He went away to ut and then when he got

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Speaker 2: drafted to New Orleans, he happened to get hurt, and

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Speaker 2: so I came to visit him and ended up living

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Speaker 2: with him throughout his whole career and still my best

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Speaker 2: friend to today. But I call him my brother's brother, sister,

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Speaker 2: brother and sister.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, brother from another mother for sure, sister from ass exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, his family's my family. My family's his family. Like, yes,

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Speaker 2: we're just not connected by blood, that's the only thing.

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Speaker 1: And the way Peggy infiltrates the lives of Ricky Williams

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Speaker 1: and Chantelle Cohen is just one of the most bizarre

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Speaker 1: stories I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: When I met Peggy, her name was Peggy King. I

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Speaker 2: met her in New Orleans. Ricky was doing MTV cribs.

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Speaker 7: Now we are going to my closet.

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Speaker 2: Here, and he had just bought a condo down in

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Speaker 2: the French Quarter in New Orleans and he needed to

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Speaker 2: furnish the whole place and everything like that. And so

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Speaker 2: a cousin of Peggy's worked in I don't know if

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Speaker 2: she was an interior designer or worked at the actual

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Speaker 2: furniture store, but she came over, she helped out. She

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Speaker 2: furnished the place and brought Peggy in to help her.

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Speaker 2: And so that was the first time that I ever

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Speaker 2: met Peggy walking into Ricky's condo helping him furnish the

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Speaker 2: place for EMPTV cribs.

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Speaker 1: And is that the same time Ricky first met her?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that was the first time you met her.

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Speaker 1: And how Peggy goes from helping Ricky Williams decorate his

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Speaker 1: new condo to stealing millions and millions of dollars from

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Speaker 1: him is just the definition of evil genius. So she

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Speaker 1: kept you guys separate.

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Speaker 2: It's separate, so she could do whatever she needed to

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Speaker 2: do over in that house. Was that domino effective? Just

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Speaker 2: people filling embarrassed? It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: Next time on Queen of the Khan, she just showed

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Speaker 1: up and she made herself available. But one by one

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Speaker 1: people start figuring out what Peggy is actually up to.

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Speaker 8: Peggy claimed to be a Harvard educated attorney. I called

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Speaker 8: the Florida Bar Association, the Georgia Bar Association, the Louisiana Bar,

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Speaker 8: anybody that I could think of, any place that she

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Speaker 8: had lived. I just started going down a checklist, and

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Speaker 8: no one knew her.

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