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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. It is

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Speaker 1: bad news for Cad Horton. He is undergoing elbow surgery.

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Speaker 1: He went and saw team doctor Stephen Grislow on Monday

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Speaker 1: and then Keith Meister Tuesday morning. Doctor Keith Meister is

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Speaker 1: obviously very well known doctor in baseball circles. Basically the

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Speaker 1: guy you go see when you know you're likely gonna

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Speaker 1: get undergo surgery. Exactly what surgery isn't clear. That's something

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Speaker 1: apparently that they'll determine when he's under the knife. I

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Speaker 1: think it's revision replacement. No, you know what, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: screw it up. I can't remember what it is. But

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Speaker 1: there's three things. There's revision, something else and an internal

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Speaker 1: brace or the options. And they'll find out it's going

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Speaker 1: to be anywhere from twelve to eighteen months is my

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Speaker 1: assumption here. He's out for the year. Cad Horton is

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Speaker 1: down for the year. Just a huge blow to the

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Speaker 1: Cubs and what they want to do this year. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about Caid leading up to this season,

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Speaker 1: how important he is, and what type of picture we

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Speaker 1: think he can be this year, which is an ace, and.

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Speaker 2: He looked like that in his first start.

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Speaker 1: And then obviously the second one he comes out and

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Speaker 1: we get this news.

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Speaker 3: So what you're describing is sort of similar to what

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Speaker 3: Justin Steele underwent with Doctor Meister last year, where they

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Speaker 3: went in and sort of it was exploratory in nature

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Speaker 3: before kind of setting the course. Is that in Layman's terms,

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Speaker 3: kind of what we're looking at here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, because Steele didn't undergo Tommy John. That's why

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Speaker 1: it's not going to be eighteen months. Yeah, So that like,

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Speaker 1: that's why we can't call this Tommy John. It is

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Speaker 1: elbow surgery. There's ucl damage. The advancements in technology and

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Speaker 1: how they perform surgeries now has have led to different

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Speaker 1: different ways to do this and and we'll see it

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Speaker 1: could be shorter either way. He's not coming back in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. That's that's what we know.

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Speaker 3: This is very small example of it. But Kate Horton

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Speaker 3: is someone who feel leading into last year's playoffs, started

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Speaker 3: gathering stuff for like a larger story, like if he's

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Speaker 3: starting Game one of the playoffs at Wrigley Field and

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Speaker 3: then he gets hurt and then kind of started doing

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Speaker 3: that process all over again or sorry, had leftover material,

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Speaker 3: just kind of kept working on it during the off

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Speaker 3: season and spring training, thinking, oh, this guy, you know,

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Speaker 3: who knows his ceiling was uncapped, right like he what

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Speaker 3: if he's starting the All Star Game? What if he's

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Speaker 3: contending for a cy young and then obviously this happens,

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Speaker 3: and so on a much larger scale, I think if

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Speaker 3: you're the Cubs, like, can you really count on this

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Speaker 3: guy ever again? I mean, hopefully he gets a full

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Speaker 3: recovery and all of the intangibles that the Cubs appreciated

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Speaker 3: about him, you know, will carry forward. But when you

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Speaker 3: look at a guy who had Tommy John surgery in college,

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Speaker 3: it's just going to be harder to sort of project

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Speaker 3: him as that like true ace, you know, a guy

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Speaker 3: who can sort of like carry a pitching staff like

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Speaker 3: still could be a very good pitcher. He's extremely talented.

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Speaker 3: It's just that these things have added up at a

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Speaker 3: really young young age for kid.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's interesting, Like you said, Tommy John in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, in college shoulder injury in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: while in the minors with the Cubs last year was.

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Speaker 2: A broken rib.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of like I wouldn't call that, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the same realm, but still an injury. And now

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Speaker 1: this talking to Carter Hawkins the GM like some of

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Speaker 1: these things I feel like feel inevitable sometimes or it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we weren't blindsided by this. Let's just take Justin Steele

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Speaker 1: for an example. He had four arm elbow discomfort. You know,

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Speaker 1: six months before this surgery. If you remember in twenty

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Speaker 1: and twenty four, there was like a brief shutdown. I

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Speaker 1: believe it was like you know, I think it was

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Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what happened, but there was something something.

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Speaker 3: Was almost like cramps, like like that was sort of yeah.

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Speaker 1: But and those things are often a precursor to like Okay,

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Speaker 1: something's up in there, and these are you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: people call it like a ticking time bomb or something

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Speaker 1: like that, like this is going to happen when how long?

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Speaker 2: Those are the questions with this, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Carter was like, it's like the it's like the

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Speaker 1: car accident where you get t boned, like someone blows

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Speaker 1: the red light and t bones you're completely unexpected. Because

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Speaker 1: there were no signs, and they handled him with kid gloves.

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Speaker 1: this is why your VLA drop it, and this is

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Speaker 1: As the innings jumped and they started monitoring the pitch count,

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Speaker 1: very diligent about that. Cade was very diligent in the

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. There were no signs for this,

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Speaker 1: and it sounds like this came out of nowhere in

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Speaker 1: the sense like sometimes you feel like, okay, there's something

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Speaker 1: going on in that elbow, but we don't know when

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Speaker 1: it but you can work through it. That wasn't the

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Speaker 1: case here. There was no like a lingering soreness after

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Speaker 2: It may be.

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Speaker 1: In that sense, this was a complete surprise. But you

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Speaker 1: make a good point, like this is now the second

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Speaker 1: lo surgery in five years. What you know, Craig Council

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Speaker 1: is like he's going to come back and he's going

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Speaker 1: to be great, like he you know, I think that

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Speaker 1: that's the power of positivity type of mindset that you

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Speaker 1: have to have. You can't, you don't. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to put negative thoughts out there. I get that, but

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Speaker 1: you're right, like, who knows. We don't know what the

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Speaker 1: next steps are for Kate Horton's career, when when he's

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Speaker 1: back on the mound, what he'll look like and how

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Speaker 1: he will perform. Uh, we don't know when baseball will

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Speaker 1: that's almost like working in his favor. The one the

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Speaker 1: one thing that doesn't work there is like it's like

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get to work with the team. But my

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Speaker 1: guess is they're already planning for that, like they like

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Speaker 1: the second, like you know, the second the season ends,

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Speaker 1: or the second you know, November thirtieth or whatever, they're

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Speaker 1: going to be talking to Kate. Here's the plan, here's

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Speaker 1: what we need you to do. You know, they're not

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Speaker 1: lockout starts, but uh, that's something that I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sure they're they're planning for well in advance.

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Speaker 3: I'm just curious. Obviously, Carter has the front office perspective.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Council's positivity, and he's someone who's always sort

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Speaker 3: of pragmatic about these things, but what was the mood

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Speaker 1: So Counsel was like, you know, basically said, this is

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Speaker 1: an opportunity, like an opportunity for others to step up.

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Speaker 1: Carter's like, look, we prepared for the worst all off season.

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Speaker 2: That's what you do.

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Speaker 1: You build up depth. So now like that work was

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Speaker 1: then in the player with the players, and we talked

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Speaker 1: to them after a really nice win on Tuesday night,

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Speaker 1: and to a man, you know, they're like heartbroken Forcade,

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Speaker 1: really upset for Kate, but we got to step up

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Speaker 1: and do what's needed. We got to push through this,

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Speaker 1: find ways to win. Other players need to step up,

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Speaker 1: and they will. They're very confident that other guys will

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Speaker 1: step up and perform and do what needs to be done.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, obviously people there was a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: of Kay does things the right way. He's a great pitcher,

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Speaker 1: one of our best players. We're gonna miss him. You

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Speaker 1: can't replace what he does. A lot of that people,

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Speaker 1: but no like heads hanging and no defeatist attitude in there.

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Speaker 1: It was just, you know, sadness for a guy that

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Speaker 1: they they've grown close to and that they trust and

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Speaker 1: the right mentality, the right attitude and work ethics. So

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Speaker 1: they were upset for him, but they also understand there's

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Speaker 1: a task get hand. It's early in the season, right

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Speaker 1: where we're eleven games into the season, So they can't

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Speaker 1: is over. If they did that, that would be a

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Speaker 1: huge red flag. Patrick, Why don't we take a quick

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Speaker 1: the options here? What are the next steps? So how

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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick in On on Tuesday night, the first

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Speaker 1: option I guess to step up Hoavi or Asad did

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Speaker 1: exactly that. I believe it was five and two thirds

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Speaker 1: innings of shutout baseball. Javier Asad looked great, looked like

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Speaker 1: prototypical Hobby. This is what he does when he's called upon.

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Speaker 1: He's been I'm not sure if he's ever really had

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Speaker 1: he's been yo yo da la. Uh and and he

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Speaker 1: This felt like a you know, there's no such thing

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Speaker 1: as a must win this early in the season. The

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Speaker 1: Cobs are two games under five hundred, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I think a momentum UH like it. You know, you

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Speaker 1: need a little bit of positive momentum after the bad

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Speaker 1: news and then after some tough losses. Uh And, and

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Speaker 1: Hobby was there to step up. He's he's number one

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Speaker 1: on the list to step up. We know Colin Ray

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Speaker 1: came in for relief. He'll start tonight in Saint Pete

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Speaker 1: against the Rays. Uh and and those are the two

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Speaker 1: But but you know what else are the Cubs gonna do?

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Speaker 1: I guess is the question? Or or is it just

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Speaker 2: So, uh, we'll see, We'll see what happens here.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not willing to say it's over or

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Speaker 1: tested early. Uh, but you know, not ideal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's it is really. I'm just unfortunate

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Speaker 3: for Kate. I think we, you know, for his debut

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Speaker 3: last year, like that felt like an event. You know,

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Speaker 3: we're kind of you know, writing stories for that, and

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Speaker 3: you know, this guy whatever, it was like the highest

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Speaker 3: drafted college pitcher for the Cubs since Mart prior. What

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Speaker 3: he showed, not just on the field, but just the

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Speaker 3: way Cubs people talk about Kate Horton, just his competitiveness,

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Speaker 3: his focus. Uh, just a great fit for this group

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Speaker 3: and this moment. And with your young pictures, we've seen it.

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Speaker 3: They only get so many October's, right, and you know

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Speaker 3: one was taken off the table last year. This year's

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Speaker 3: already xed out, and you know everyone hopes for a

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Speaker 3: full recovery. Pictures have come back from this obviously, but

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Speaker 3: it's just there is sort of no light at the

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Speaker 3: end of the tunnel right now, like it's going to

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Speaker 3: be a lot of you knows. Councils said, monotonous work

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Speaker 3: for k to just get back into the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I really hate listening to these guys talk

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Speaker 1: about that part of it because it does sound a

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Speaker 1: little depressing, like how you're kind of like off, you know,

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Speaker 1: in Arizona working and like Council's point was, like you

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Speaker 1: put all this monotonous work in you do you deal

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Speaker 1: with the grind for because you love to compete, and

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Speaker 1: now that's taken off the table. So it's hard for

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Speaker 1: these guys. Uh.

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Speaker 2: But but he'll but he'll put his head.

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Speaker 1: Down and he'll he'll get after it, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he'll be back, hopefully, hopefully it's back and looking like

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Speaker 1: Cad you know, a year and a half from now,

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Speaker 1: where we're less than that. We're talking about gate Orton

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Speaker 1: returning because certainly was fun to has been fun to

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Speaker 1: cover and watch and he's the type of guy you're like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: This is this is a dude. You root for because

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Speaker 2: he seems to go about it the right way.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back with hopefully a mailbag episode,

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Speaker 1: take some of your questions and discuss.

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Speaker 2: This early season.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't I don't even know if it

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Speaker 1: struggles or whatever it is, because they put up another

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Speaker 1: monster offensive game tonight.

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Speaker 2: Is it even a struggle?

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Speaker 1: Like they're they're back to five hundred and and staying

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Speaker 1: alive and trying to stay relevant here. All right, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for listening everyone, This is Northside Territory. Make

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Speaker 1: sure to rate, review, subscribe, subscribe to the YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: on top of all things Cubs. Thanks for listening everyone.

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Speaker 2: Take care,