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Speaker 1: three Pacific, sixth Eastern. Well, it's Wednesday here in this program.
Speaker 1: You know that means we have the A E. W
Speaker 1: Dynamite coming up tonight and we're gonna tell you about
Speaker 1: that show, the line up thus far, all that good stuff,
Speaker 1: and also the rest of the news. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've heard or not, but Shane McMahon. We're talking
Speaker 1: about Shane McMahon the last couple of days. First Shane
Speaker 1: McMahon reappeared at the Royal Rumble, and then Shane McMahon
Speaker 1: was scheduled for like now, I've heard three different feuds
Speaker 1: that Shane McMahon has been discussed for but at this
Speaker 1: exact moment, none of them will be happening, as Shane
Speaker 1: McMahon at this moment is gone from w W. E
Speaker 1: will tell you all about that. We've got the ratings
Speaker 1: for RAW on Monday. Raw no longer has competition from
Speaker 1: the NFL, and so normally at this time of year
Speaker 1: there is some sort of bounce back. Sometimes he bounce
Speaker 1: back is is uh big. Sometimes the bounce back is
Speaker 1: not big. But the story of the show was not
Speaker 1: only is there no NFL, but is the uh the
Speaker 1: whatever you call it fallout show for the Royal Rumble
Speaker 1: And Rhonda Rousy had been promised for the show. She
Speaker 1: was gonna make her to Issian about who she was
Speaker 1: going to face at the Royal Rumble. How did the
Speaker 1: show do? We'll tell you about that here today. Brian
Speaker 1: Kendrick will be debuting for Dynamite. You've got a Sammy
Speaker 1: Zane incident with Johnny Knoxville at the Jackass Forever premier.
Speaker 1: And yes, we have the n x T two point
Speaker 1: oh results from last night, and a little bit later
Speaker 1: on we'll tell you what's going on with the women's
Speaker 1: Dusty Cup. Got so many texts and emails last night.
Speaker 1: What's going on with the Women's Dusty. We'll tell you
Speaker 1: about that after the break back. In a moment Observer Alive,
Speaker 1: I'll talk about n x T for a full hour.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna talk about Shane. Get off my back, everybody,
Speaker 1: all right, listen, Shane McMahon is gone on. So here's
Speaker 1: here's the story. As quickly as he reappeared in w
Speaker 1: w E, Shane McMahon is now out of w w E.
Speaker 1: Dave Meltz reported the news Wednesday, confirming an earlier report
Speaker 1: by Ringside News. Elser said McMahon is out of the company,
Speaker 1: but it is unknown whether his talent deal was terminated
Speaker 1: or if the plans for him the next two months
Speaker 1: were simply dropped. After nearly a year away from entering action,
Speaker 1: fifty two year old Shane McMahon made his return in
Speaker 1: Saturday as a Men's Royal Rumble entering at later eliminated
Speaker 1: by Brock following the Rumbles said on Observer Radio there
Speaker 1: was a lot of heat on Shane due to his
Speaker 1: booking of the Men's Royal Rumble, a role which he
Speaker 1: has performed and has helped within the past. Well. Meltzer
Speaker 1: didn't have all the details at that time. He said
Speaker 1: McMahon quote had an idea of what the rumble was
Speaker 1: going to be, and then a lot of that ended
Speaker 1: up being changed, which rubbed some people the wrong way.
Speaker 1: Andrews Arian tweeted, there were numerous changes for what number
Speaker 1: Bad Bunny would be in the rumble, bro, this is
Speaker 1: not one of the big issues with this royal rumble.
Speaker 1: This was a cause for concern people within w W
Speaker 1: WE were upset. Ww A doesn't want to come off
Speaker 1: negatively with such a major outside star. US in theory
Speaker 1: effectively replaced McMahon. Here's the problem with the rumble, Bros.
Speaker 1: Is boring. It doesn't matter if Bad Bunny was in
Speaker 1: first or eight. It was boring. It doesn't matter when
Speaker 1: Shane McMahon showed up. It was boring. It's a boring rumble.
Speaker 1: And I mean why well, I mean part of the
Speaker 1: problem was their own fan base started expecting a munch
Speaker 1: of a w stars which wasn't gonna happen. And then
Speaker 1: I tweeted about that made people mad. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: should have lied and then got you really excited and
Speaker 1: nothing happened. Then you would have been even more angry.
Speaker 1: You had you had. You had twenty nine people in
Speaker 1: the rumble that not one fan thought had any chance
Speaker 1: of winning. Maybe maybe there was one guy McIntire, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of who else in that rumble. When
Speaker 1: you were watching the room, we thought, oh, you know what,
Speaker 1: that guy might win this year, Bob rude, Oh he
Speaker 1: might take it. So when you have here's a problem
Speaker 1: your geeks, when you book a promotion and you let
Speaker 1: like two guys get over, then you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: boring rumble because everybody knows nobody is gonna win that
Speaker 1: royal rumble. Nobody. Nobody was gonna think that bad Bunny
Speaker 1: was gonna win the rumble. Nobody was gonna think that
Speaker 1: Johnny Knoxville was gonna win the role. I guess my
Speaker 1: buddy Mark thought Zammy Zane was gonna win. But come on,
Speaker 1: no one thought anybody was gonna win that rumble. It
Speaker 1: was a bunch of dudes just going in and and
Speaker 1: doing whatever is boring. I said it was boring on Sunday,
Speaker 1: made some people mad that It turns out they thought
Speaker 1: it was boring, so boring in fact, that the combination
Speaker 1: of a boring rumble, Shane trying to book a rumble
Speaker 1: around himself at fifty two years old ends up getting
Speaker 1: the guy out of here? Did you hear the ideas
Speaker 1: of matches? I've now heard three different matches for Shane
Speaker 1: McMahon for WrestleMania. Can you want to know what they are?
Speaker 1: The three matches I heard over the last couple of
Speaker 1: days for Shane McMahon, which also changed countless times, Bobby Lashly,
Speaker 1: Bobby Lashlely, seth Rawlins, and Austin Theory. Bra Listen, I'm
Speaker 1: not the biggest fan of Shane going to WrestleMania to
Speaker 1: face Bobby Lashly or Austin Theory or seth Rawlins, But dude,
Speaker 1: maybe this guy was irritating. And I know he was
Speaker 1: irritating because I heard all about it, irritating trying to
Speaker 1: put this match together and he pissed people off and
Speaker 1: and all this and that, like that's all fine and good.
Speaker 1: But bro, if you fired him because the rumble was boring,
Speaker 1: that's a scapegoat. That's what that is. Anyway he's gone
Speaker 1: for now, would it not be remarkably shortsighted too? I Mean,
Speaker 1: I know you're a family member at all, but still
Speaker 1: you're like, there's the possibility that the rumble went so
Speaker 1: sideways that they fired Shane outright. I don't believe that
Speaker 1: for a second. And I don't know anything about any
Speaker 1: of these situations. It wasn't all it was. It wasn't
Speaker 1: all that it was boring, but it was like he
Speaker 1: tried to take charge and he irritated people and tried
Speaker 1: to make it about himself. I heard all sorts of
Speaker 1: things about this guy. I mean, he had tons of
Speaker 1: heat that night. Well, you know, I can't I don't
Speaker 1: have any first hand knowledge or even secondhand knowledge of
Speaker 1: any of that, so I can't. I can't really speak
Speaker 1: on it, but to I mean, if this is going
Speaker 1: to be the end of Shane, uh, it stems from
Speaker 1: the rumble. I mean, I just what kind of what
Speaker 1: a mess? Wasn't an absolute mess? Uh? You know, Shane
Speaker 1: and Austin theory as a feud can make sense, you know,
Speaker 1: you can, may I mean as far as getting Vince's
Speaker 1: heart or something like, there's a way to play that
Speaker 1: where you can actually maybe elevate Austin theory in theory.
Speaker 1: The problem is he's got to then work with Shane mcmannon.
Speaker 1: I don't see how that helps him at all inside
Speaker 1: the ring. It would be a purely storyline thing, and
Speaker 1: I they aren't good with that for the most part,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, it's just a it's a wild story.
Speaker 1: Him being involved in booking the Rumble makes absolute sense.
Speaker 1: He's been there for thirty years, uh, you know, for
Speaker 1: the most part, and and him having a knowledge of
Speaker 1: doing you know, spots, and that makes sense. Now him
Speaker 1: being involved in it, and the possibility of him facing
Speaker 1: any of those three guys, especially Bobby Lashley, is baffling
Speaker 1: to me. Think the same thing with Shape with Seth,
Speaker 1: although you know, there's at least a little bit of
Speaker 1: a line you can draw because we've seen Shane and
Speaker 1: Kevin Owens, so I can imagine, you know, Seth Rollins
Speaker 1: just doing amazing things, you know, trying to to make
Speaker 1: Shane McMahon look good. But the one with Bobby Lashley,
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you make that work other than
Speaker 1: Bobby kills him in seventeen seconds. Bro, He's going for
Speaker 1: the title that time that Shane McMahon w E champion,
Speaker 1: even he deserves it after all these years of phone
Speaker 1: off and even in stupid wrestling land where you could
Speaker 1: try to come up with a reason. I mean no,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a completely different situation. But a
Speaker 1: w decided, well, we're gonna have Lance Archer face Hangman
Speaker 1: Page and they just come basically shoved him into a position.
Speaker 1: Now after three weeks we're having a Texas death match
Speaker 1: for the title. That was a little much for me,
Speaker 1: but it's not the end of the world, not really
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. I can shake it off.
Speaker 1: How you put Shane McMahon in a World Championship situation
Speaker 1: against Bobby Lashley, who's coming off facing the brock Lessner's
Speaker 1: and the you know, those people of the old I mean,
Speaker 1: I you know that that's a bridge too far. Even
Speaker 1: with w w e's creative aspect, they'll put on in
Speaker 1: a We're all the show or whatever they're gonna say.
Speaker 1: It's just bizarre. And even if he was going for
Speaker 1: the title, he still should get killed in about seventeen
Speaker 1: seconds period. Crazy. Well, you know, there's uh, what year
Speaker 1: is this we have here? I know that, but like
Speaker 1: WrestleMania thirty what what what WrestleMania is this thirty eight
Speaker 1: or something like that, thirty seven, thirty eight five, So yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever the is trying to find out something here, which
Speaker 1: I guess I'll I'll find it out later. Somebody was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if they would have gone to WrestleMania, I mean,
Speaker 1: Austin theory would surely have beaten Shane McMahon. But surely
Speaker 1: my point is surely. Yeah. I remember when they did
Speaker 1: Shane McMahon versus The Miss, and this was WrestleMania thirty five,
Speaker 1: which would have been Remember who won that match is
Speaker 1: Shane McMahon. False came anywhere Shane McMahon beat the Miss
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania because of course he did, because then he
Speaker 1: was booked as the best in the world. Guys, remember
Speaker 1: that when he was the best in the world. I
Speaker 1: do that was absolutely horrible, horrific, horrendous storyline. He was
Speaker 1: the best in the world. Let's see what they did
Speaker 1: last year? Was he around last year? I'm trying to
Speaker 1: point out here that anyone thinks that the idea that, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, for sure he'd be elevated. I guess he
Speaker 1: lost a Bronze Stroman last year, Remember that guy, Remember
Speaker 1: bron Stroman. I heard he's changing his narrative now, is
Speaker 1: that right? What's that mean? He's hanging out with what
Speaker 1: is uh there? Good story, Broye, you didn't know who
Speaker 1: it was. I didn't know what you were talking about.
Speaker 1: He said, he changed his narrative, which is in fact
Speaker 1: a very common term. I don't know if you're aware of,
Speaker 1: is what's happening in your world. We're changing your narrative.
Speaker 1: So listen, we're gonna talk after the break about Raw
Speaker 1: because the Raw ratings are out and they're interesting. Back
Speaker 1: in a moment, Observer Live. Okay, you are listening to
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez and Mike Semper VIV
Speaker 1: on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. Back in the show,
Speaker 1: Brian Albert is here are Wrestling Observer Live. Like some
Speaker 1: for viv also Wrestling Observer dot com. People are just
Speaker 1: now fighting out that Brian Kendrick believes crazy things. Well,
Speaker 1: you don't realize he was on this show a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago and he explained to me that the
Speaker 1: sun was cold. That was Kendrick, right. Not everybody heard
Speaker 1: that show, Brian, not everybody. And you know what, that's
Speaker 1: a goofy one. That's kind of funny. That's when the
Speaker 1: person would call in the art bell was something wacky,
Speaker 1: But then the person would call in with other things.
Speaker 1: And it's those other things that are easily findable that
Speaker 1: have come out of Brian Kendrick's mouth that either people
Speaker 1: had forgotten about or flat didn't know about because they
Speaker 1: were buried and they were small time and they were
Speaker 1: whatever they were. But you know, when you start talking
Speaker 1: Zionists and all that sort of stuff, and I don't
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure we're not going to get into
Speaker 1: it deeply here, but when you know, you got all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, I mean, it's real, dude like
Speaker 1: And that's another reason people may not have wanted to
Speaker 1: think about it, because they liked him as a wrestler.
Speaker 1: But then he says what he says about other things,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, so maybe not a bad release for
Speaker 1: w w E in this case, right after the Royal Rumble.
Speaker 1: At one point eight six million viewers, point four seven
Speaker 1: and eighteen and forty nine, first place for the night
Speaker 1: on cable. Well, that's good news, best viewership for Raw
Speaker 1: since the week after Summer Slam last year, But the
Speaker 1: eighteen nine has to be considered a disappointment, barely up
Speaker 1: from last week's point four six, and there were weeks
Speaker 1: against the NFL to beat that during the fall. So
Speaker 1: it's got a bunch of notes here, but the important
Speaker 1: thing is that the first third hour drop was twenty
Speaker 1: one point six percent, the largest in recent memory and
Speaker 1: among the biggest drops in the history of the show.
Speaker 1: If you recall, the show opened and it was the
Speaker 1: fallout from the Royal Rumble, and the first hour did
Speaker 1: the biggest first hour number and I don't even know
Speaker 1: how long two point one million viewers for the first
Speaker 1: hour of Raw two point one million viewers, And the
Speaker 1: show opened and they announced that Rhonda Rousey was gonna
Speaker 1: be on the show, and I don't know if they
Speaker 1: actually announced, I feel like they did that she was
Speaker 1: gonna make her decision about who she was gonna face
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania, which she didn't do, by the way, but
Speaker 1: they announced at the beginning the show, and the show
Speaker 1: then proceeded to lose um five viewers over the next
Speaker 1: three hours two point oh eight million first hour, one
Speaker 1: point eight eight million, third hour, second hour, and the
Speaker 1: third hour with the promised Rhonda Rousey appearance to announce
Speaker 1: her opponent for wrestle Mania one point six three million viewers.
Speaker 1: So it's one week. I don't think that anyone needs
Speaker 1: to panic or write a big story about this yet.
Speaker 1: But it is absolutely notable that Rhonda Rousey returned at
Speaker 1: the Royal Rumble and did absolutely positively zilch to hold
Speaker 1: over viewers for her big announcement about who she was
Speaker 1: going to face and WrestleMania. Obviously, I can say nobody cared,
Speaker 1: but one point six three million viewers for the third
Speaker 1: hour of Raw with a tease of run A Rousing
Speaker 1: announcing a WrestleMania opponent. Bro, there ain't no way to
Speaker 1: spend that is anything good. The whole outweighs to some
Speaker 1: of its parts, even in this case with Rhonda Rousy,
Speaker 1: especially because we've already seen her in there one so
Speaker 1: it's not even unique and special because the ww fans
Speaker 1: have already seen it once. And I wouldn't panic with
Speaker 1: it either. I wouldn't say that bringing Rhonda is any
Speaker 1: sort of failure. I wouldn't not put her in a
Speaker 1: WrestleMania main event or somewhere where you can maximize all
Speaker 1: of the media that you can get from her and
Speaker 1: all the attention that you can get from her. But
Speaker 1: this is the same problem we talked about. I don't
Speaker 1: know how long ago where I would point out that
Speaker 1: drop and now dramatic that drop is. The overall rating
Speaker 1: is bad. The eighteen to forty nine is bad, and
Speaker 1: the twelve too. You know, when you break down even
Speaker 1: smaller demos, there's cause for concern about growing the company
Speaker 1: and making new fans going forward. But it's that that
Speaker 1: three hour raw I mean, in and of itself is
Speaker 1: a disaster area. And then you have no stars whatsoever.
Speaker 1: You have no there's no reason to stick around with
Speaker 1: the show. You offer all of these different ways where
Speaker 1: people can see highlights of what they may have missed
Speaker 1: on the show, and that's great, you know, and if
Speaker 1: somebody misses something, now I'll catch it on the DVR.
Speaker 1: I'll see what happened on the YouTube clip. I'll see
Speaker 1: if it's on the front page of the F four
Speaker 1: w The w w E officially put out Top ten
Speaker 1: Moments or whatever it is. That the SmackDown reel and
Speaker 1: the raw reel that they have, there's no reason to
Speaker 1: stick around for that show. There's no drama, there's no surprise,
Speaker 1: is there's no great wrestling, there's no stars unfortunately, so
Speaker 1: there is no reason to stick around. And that doesn't
Speaker 1: matter who it is. And because Ronda Rousey in the
Speaker 1: realm of w w E. Yes, she's a star, she
Speaker 1: is a big name, But is she? I mean, who
Speaker 1: could they bring in? Who could they bring in that
Speaker 1: would actually move something? You know what till you get
Speaker 1: very Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury does the same exact thing.
Speaker 1: You could bring in almost anybody. I don't see anybody
Speaker 1: making a difference because that whole package is just lacking
Speaker 1: so badly. Right now, you can jump in the car,
Speaker 1: but the tires are flat. Schedule for the Dynamite Show
Speaker 1: on TBS tonight, Chicago, Illinois, the middle of a blizzard.
Speaker 1: The show is still on. We have see him Punk
Speaker 1: versus m jf Pack and Penta versus Malachi Black and
Speaker 1: Brody King, Nila Rose versus Ruby Soho, and Yes, John
Speaker 1: Moxley versus Brian Kendrick has been released from w W
Speaker 1: E AH. It looks like the two have never wrestled
Speaker 1: a singles match, this being Kendrick and Moxley. They did
Speaker 1: team together and a dragon Gate USA show in March
Speaker 1: against Jimmy Jacobs and Paul London. So that is scheduled
Speaker 1: for tonight unless there is a change. We also had
Speaker 1: Sammy Zane crashed the Jackass Forever premiere in Hollywood, California,
Speaker 1: escorted out following a confrontation with Johnny Knoxville and the
Speaker 1: rest of his crew. Wow about that. Johnny Knoxville was
Speaker 1: good in that royal rumble. I didn't think he was
Speaker 1: gonna win, but like, he was way better than I expected.
Speaker 1: He took bumps, he threw a forearm like he was chopping,
Speaker 1: like he was Walter chopping some bloke which we'll get
Speaker 1: into here by the way, in the moment, did you
Speaker 1: design his outfit? His outfit? Yeah, Knoxvills. Did you remember
Speaker 1: he was wearing one bro. I didn't that That outfit
Speaker 1: is like, you know, water to the bridge after what
Speaker 1: I saw Becky wearing on raw. Dude. I love Becky
Speaker 1: Lynch and all and she's great, but dude, like I
Speaker 1: mean this, like, with all due respect, somebody's got a
Speaker 1: smartener up. Like God, do you realize I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys are wear this or not. You should
Speaker 1: be since it won Best Book in the Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: News Center Awards. But I wrote a book called one
Speaker 1: Hundred Things The w w E Fans should know and
Speaker 1: do before they die. It's available on Amazon dot Com.
Speaker 1: Pullet Serprize Caliber Writing Better. I'm a better writer. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a better writer. I'm a better writer than Talker
Speaker 1: had a mike to get that line out. But anyway,
Speaker 1: do you know it's on the cover of that book,
Speaker 1: smack dab in the middle Becky Lynch. That was a
Speaker 1: decision made by the publishing company because we're like bro
Speaker 1: She's the biggest star they got in the entire company.
Speaker 1: Because there was a period where she was the biggest
Speaker 1: star in the entire company. This was before like you know,
Speaker 1: Roman did his his gimmick that he did, he came
Speaker 1: back and was the head of the table or anything
Speaker 1: like that, and now he's like, by far the biggest
Speaker 1: star in the company. I guess him and Brock, but
Speaker 1: you could consider Brock and outside as far as regulars.
Speaker 1: It is like Roman reigns Now, but a few years
Speaker 1: ago it was Becky Lynch. Becky Lynch was the biggest
Speaker 1: forget men women. Becky Lynch was the biggest star in
Speaker 1: the company. Then she left and she came back and
Speaker 1: she decided that she wanted to be Steve Austin in
Speaker 1: two thousand one, she wanted to go heal and like,
Speaker 1: nobody's into it and she's having fun. But she's out
Speaker 1: there and she's got this outfit on and just looks
Speaker 1: like a clown and she's doing these comedy bits. Is
Speaker 1: is an alleged heel and Rhonda Rousey that segment? I mean,
Speaker 1: I bro I I just like God, if it were
Speaker 1: like if you were all alive in two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen and you stepped into a time machine
Speaker 1: and you showed up in the crowd for Raw Monday,
Speaker 1: you would be like, what is happening? This is Becky
Speaker 1: and Ronda? Nobody cares. It's not over. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't even know what it is. It's like a Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Live parody of of Becky and Ron. I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: Becky needs to go back to me in the Man
Speaker 1: as a baby face, get rid of the goofy outfits.
Speaker 1: It's bad enough with Seth now we have to watch
Speaker 1: it with Becky and then Ronda just needs to go
Speaker 1: full heel, just like full heel Hunter per that He'll
Speaker 1: maybe this could be salvaged. But Rhonda is the baby
Speaker 1: face who hates life. Against Becky is the top heel.
Speaker 1: That's you know, playing doink or whatever. It's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Blue Doink. You know what's funny is
Speaker 1: you go on the w w E network, Becky can
Speaker 1: do this and everybody else go back and watch the
Speaker 1: Man in twenty nineteen and compare that to what we
Speaker 1: got today. It's not working. With all due respect, it's
Speaker 1: not working and it sucks. Fix it now. Wrong. Your
Speaker 1: hair looks nice. You got that going. She's in great shape,
Speaker 1: her hair looks great. Beautiful woman and talented as hell
Speaker 1: in the ring people want to cheer for. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: if can we just make Rhonda this angry? Sir? Why
Speaker 1: am I yelling? Why are you right now? Geez? You
Speaker 1: want me to calmly explain it because that ain't working.
Speaker 1: Back in a moment Observer Live. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the big problems with w w E is breaking an
Speaker 1: n x T. Here is the massive egos possessed by
Speaker 1: the people in charge. Okay, if you do something and
Speaker 1: it turns out that you made a mistake, okay, especially
Speaker 1: in something like pro wrestling, which broke fabe yesterday, but
Speaker 1: it's fake. So if you make a mistake and you
Speaker 1: you recognize it. You know that because it's fake, you
Speaker 1: can just go back to what it was like before.
Speaker 1: But the egos involved in the upper level of w
Speaker 1: W are such that they make a mistake and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep going. Otherwise we we acknowledged that we
Speaker 1: did something wrong, their egos will not allow him. So
Speaker 1: like Becky Lynch and Seth Rawlins are not I could
Speaker 1: tell you this, They're not dumb people. Both of them
Speaker 1: being heels is dumb. Okay, Why do I say that, Well,
Speaker 1: you may be entertained by Becky, you may be entertained
Speaker 1: by Seth laughing with that stupid jacket on. But the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is in both cases, in both cases,
Speaker 1: neither of them have been in the universe of being
Speaker 1: as over as they were when they were baby faces.
Speaker 1: Becky as a baby face was multiples, like maybe a
Speaker 1: hundred times more over than she is right now. Seth Rawlins,
Speaker 1: we actually saw it a couple of weeks ago when
Speaker 1: they did that tag match with the us OS and
Speaker 1: so like, for one night, Kevin Owens and Seth Rollins
Speaker 1: were baby faces and this dude like he was moreover
Speaker 1: in that one six man tag on SmackDown than he's
Speaker 1: been for like I don't even know how long. Because
Speaker 1: some people, whether it's a natural likability, whether it's the
Speaker 1: way that they work, the the style of wrestling, they
Speaker 1: are much better suited to being baby faces than heels.
Speaker 1: In the same way, there are certain people, and Charlotte
Speaker 1: Flair would be a good example. They're much better served
Speaker 1: being healed. You know who else fits that? Mold Rhonda Rousy. Okay,
Speaker 1: I can go through the roster here. I won't bother.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, a Sammy Zane for example,
Speaker 1: Sammy Zane, he can be a heel and he can
Speaker 1: be an entertaining heel, but bro he has never been
Speaker 1: one tenth as over as a heel as he was
Speaker 1: when he was a baby face. But they have decided
Speaker 1: that they are going to go a certain way, and
Speaker 1: because of their their ego there there, they refuse to go.
Speaker 1: You know what, this was a mistake. This was a
Speaker 1: mistake to turn Becky Lynch hell. This was a mistake
Speaker 1: to turn Seth roll and steal. This is a mistake
Speaker 1: to have Ronda Rousey be a baby face. It's frustrating
Speaker 1: because oh we don't have any baby faces. Well, actually
Speaker 1: you did, but you turned them and now you won't
Speaker 1: turn them back, and now you can't figure out how
Speaker 1: to make other baby faces. Round is not getting over.
Speaker 1: Oh it's the fans. Now, maybe she's a better heal,
Speaker 1: then she is a baby face. It's not the fans,
Speaker 1: that's my point. That's my point. It's not the fans fault.
Speaker 1: It's the point that she's obviously not best suited to
Speaker 1: be a baby face, right, you're she is better suited
Speaker 1: to be a baby face. Oh no, Becky, I mean,
Speaker 1: but in Ron is better suited to be a heel.
Speaker 1: I think Seth Seth was Seth is a good heel.
Speaker 1: He really he is. I mean we saw it after
Speaker 1: they broke up the shield. And as far as him
Speaker 1: being a cocky slimy, yeah, look, I'll just drop it
Speaker 1: there because I know we need to move on to
Speaker 1: n XD and I know you need to redeem your
Speaker 1: wrestling fandom and your inspiration from it by reviewing Wendy
Speaker 1: Chew and Tiffany Stratton's few that they have going on now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I look, it looked they that they have
Speaker 1: tried to turn Becky Lynch against the fans before. She
Speaker 1: was wholeheartedly for it this time because her man had
Speaker 1: already come back. And even though we everybody thought, you know,
Speaker 1: media wise, seemingly and critically that well Seth should come
Speaker 1: back as a baby face now with this kid and everything,
Speaker 1: and didn't happen. And then Becky the same way, and
Speaker 1: it's it's disappointing. You know, you can ran all you
Speaker 1: want about it, They're probably not going to change it,
Speaker 1: and I don't know the results are what they are.
Speaker 1: So the next day time, I like, how of all
Speaker 1: people are You're the one that's constantly pushing me to
Speaker 1: actually talk about n x T. And then you complain
Speaker 1: that I talked about it. Hey, let's could have talked
Speaker 1: about and there is w w E based program. We
Speaker 1: could have talked about anything today, but all the news
Speaker 1: now listen, look at this guy screaming and turning purple.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal, everybody. There are actually some news coming
Speaker 1: out of n x T, which is, uh, what's the word.
Speaker 1: It is a microcosm of the entire company here. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are aware of this
Speaker 1: or not, but you know what's supposed to start yesterday,
Speaker 1: The Women's Dusty. Do you know what didn't start yesterday?
Speaker 1: Hold on a second. What didn't start yesterday was the
Speaker 1: Women's Dusty because, as I've explained you guys, they don't
Speaker 1: have they don't have do I have to keep muting you?
Speaker 1: They don't have any teams? Okay, you know you know
Speaker 1: it was on Saturday, everybody. Do you know what aired
Speaker 1: on Saturday, the Royal Rumble? Do you know what happened
Speaker 1: leading up to the Royal Rumble? They didn't have any women.
Speaker 1: So what we have here is systemic incompetence. Oh, let's
Speaker 1: fire eight seven wrestlers and then be confused or flabberg
Speaker 1: acid or stuck. We don't have enough wrestlers for a
Speaker 1: women's Royal Rumble or a women's Dusty. So the Women's
Speaker 1: Dusty has not been dropped. I can tell you that
Speaker 1: because they're shooting angles for it, which I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: to here what an angle they shot? But they are
Speaker 1: eventually everybody there will be a women's Dusty when they
Speaker 1: can come up with enough women. Because you know what's
Speaker 1: funny when you fire people and then call them and go,
Speaker 1: can you please come back? We need you? They tell
Speaker 1: you to f off. They tell you to crawl up
Speaker 1: my hole. That's what they do. And then you know
Speaker 1: you're like, oh man, god, we don't have enough women.
Speaker 1: It must be the fans fault. There's it's it's a
Speaker 1: fans fault. There's not enough women for a women's Royal
Speaker 1: Rumble and a a women's Dusty. You guys don't give
Speaker 1: the whole reference. NYA. Jack's God, don't have to spell
Speaker 1: everything out. So the show actually opened with a great match, BRO.
Speaker 1: If you're only gonna watch one thing, I think you
Speaker 1: should watch Imperium Gunther, who the fans chanted Walter for
Speaker 1: all night. Gunther, Marcel Bartel and Fabia Nichner against RODERI
Speaker 1: Strong and the Creed Brothers. If you guys didn't see
Speaker 1: the Creed Brothers match with J B and b J,
Speaker 1: that was like UFC one, just four green guys just
Speaker 1: smashing each other. At least here you have the Creed
Speaker 1: Brothers in with Imperium, who will hit them very hard,
Speaker 1: but they can also keep the match like pretty much
Speaker 1: in line. Bro. This match was awesome, and Gunther got
Speaker 1: the big win, just power bomb the absolute hell out
Speaker 1: of one of these Creeds and then pinned him. Oh
Speaker 1: it was glorious. The Creed brothers are no joke, folks.
Speaker 1: I mean they are real high level Division one n
Speaker 1: c A tournament caliber wrestlers. And you could see where
Speaker 1: they were hawsin about with Walter, and they have no
Speaker 1: idea what they're doing. That was from the opening, when
Speaker 1: somebody had come to Walter realized I'm jumping the wrong guy.
Speaker 1: He basically turned right around, went the other way, jumped
Speaker 1: somebody else, and they fell out of the ring. They
Speaker 1: have no idea what they're doing. But they were also
Speaker 1: in a position where as big as they are and
Speaker 1: as talented as they are, as far as like being
Speaker 1: able to kill a normal human being, Walter, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say man handled them obviously, because they were
Speaker 1: all working, you know, the best they could with each other.
Speaker 1: But like, there was no way that those guys were
Speaker 1: getting out of this with like imperium. If they were
Speaker 1: stiffed at any point, they gave of it back. I
Speaker 1: can tell you that's for sure. They were not intimidated
Speaker 1: at all. There was no fear with imperium. They dominated
Speaker 1: the situation well. And then we had a show long
Speaker 1: segment with Kaylee Ray and uh and Mandy and toxic attraction,
Speaker 1: which to cut to the chase, Kaylee Ray runs around
Speaker 1: the baseball bat she kidnapped G G and j C
Speaker 1: in a car and then we never saw him again,
Speaker 1: by the way, so I don't know where they're at.
Speaker 1: And then she went back and forth with Mandy all night,
Speaker 1: including a food fight where she dumped spaghetti on Mandy
Speaker 1: Rose's head and then try to put a cake in
Speaker 1: Mandy's face, but Mandie actually blocked the cake. Oh and
Speaker 1: God bless Mandy, Like, God bless her. I'm sure she's
Speaker 1: really nice. You know, she's pretty good in the ring,
Speaker 1: but I can't tell if like she has no grasp
Speaker 1: of the English language or if it's a gimmick. But
Speaker 1: all night she's doing these promos and the verbiage is
Speaker 1: like screwed up. In every single one of them, she
Speaker 1: goes all whim and inspire to be me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's aspire, not inspire, it's a spire. And they're like
Speaker 1: multiples of these during her promos all night, Like is
Speaker 1: this the gimmick or what is going on here? But anyway,
Speaker 1: uh duds like the stuff they write for live. They
Speaker 1: give them so much stuff they can't that they're not
Speaker 1: naturally able to pull off anyway, and then they give
Speaker 1: them so much of it and they get jumbled and
Speaker 1: it makes them look bad. And then you go, how
Speaker 1: does this help anybody? The same way, how does it
Speaker 1: help anybody? When she's on her knees at the end
Speaker 1: of the show going are you doing this to me?
Speaker 1: Like it's just god? Then then then okay, so we're
Speaker 1: trying to find this is the best part about the
Speaker 1: Dusty Classic, by the way, for the women. Okay, in
Speaker 1: real life they don't have enough women and they can't
Speaker 1: get their act together. Okay, in storyline, nobody wants to
Speaker 1: be in it, like Raquel Gonzalez. She's got court Jay
Speaker 1: begging for her to be your partner and core and
Speaker 1: and Raquel, it's no part of this tournament. And uh,
Speaker 1: forget who the other one was. There was another woman who,
Speaker 1: like she wanted no part of oh Iso Sarai, you know,
Speaker 1: wants nothing to do with this tournament. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is prestigious tournament. So anyway, Cora Jade wants a
Speaker 1: team with Raquel Gonzalez, but Raquel wants nothing to do
Speaker 1: with her or the tournament. So last week, Raquel she
Speaker 1: they did this totally hokey. She tries to slap her
Speaker 1: and Raquel has already got her hand up like the
Speaker 1: timing away. So, uh, core wants a match. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrestle you tonight. Raquel quels like why Coral goes,
Speaker 1: I want to prove and I'm tough enough and that
Speaker 1: you and I could win this tournament. So they go
Speaker 1: in there and have a match, and bros, I mean
Speaker 1: you had to tell you what happened or can you
Speaker 1: like figure this out on your own. Core Jade goes
Speaker 1: in there and Raquel just beats the urine out of her,
Speaker 1: just pummels her. You know. Corey gets a spot or two,
Speaker 1: and then Raquelle just picks her up and she just
Speaker 1: chokes slams her straight down, pins her in the middle
Speaker 1: of the ring. Because they know they need new young stars.
Speaker 1: What better way to do it than a squash and
Speaker 1: beat him in the middle of the ring. And then
Speaker 1: of course after like, of course, whole point was I'm
Speaker 1: gonna prove I'm tough enough to win this tournament. She
Speaker 1: gets squashed and pinned, and now Raquel's like, we make
Speaker 1: a great team. Let's go win this thing. So now
Speaker 1: they're a team. In the dusty Sara is back. Remember
Speaker 1: you were all mad that she was a Japanese school girl. Well,
Speaker 1: the gimmick is that I said this in the back,
Speaker 1: that's just her street clothes. I think she's a college student.
Speaker 1: But then she's backstage and she's got her whole get
Speaker 1: up on, and then she starts to walk through the
Speaker 1: smoke to the aisle and in the smoke it's like
Speaker 1: the Bermuda triangle boom, the old Sara vanishes and Sir
Speaker 1: Ryan her gear comes out. So she doesn't wrestle as
Speaker 1: a Japanese school girl. That's her street clothes. So anyway,
Speaker 1: she beat up Kayla Inlay, which listen to everybody, I
Speaker 1: say this a lot. God bless Kayla Inlay. I'm sure
Speaker 1: she's very very nice. I am begging you go watch
Speaker 1: this match. Please go watch Kayla Inlay. Cameron Grimes segment
Speaker 1: with Trick Williams and Carmelo Hayes. We had a Malika Blay.
Speaker 1: You know, they're trying to get Mollik and Eddress and
Speaker 1: no Fe over, same way they're trying to get b
Speaker 1: J and j B over. They're horrible with women. That's
Speaker 1: their plan, and there's a there's arousal comedy in this one.
Speaker 1: After Mandy Rose falls on Molly Blade and Joe Gacy
Speaker 1: b l a night I wish I had time for,
Speaker 1: would eat you back in a moment Observer Live. All right,
Speaker 1: I got two quick things here main event Braun Breaker
Speaker 1: and Tamasa Champa versus Legato del Phantasma. That was worth
Speaker 1: going anyway to see, very very good match. And Santo
Speaker 1: Tesco bar on the on the outside reacting to uh,
Speaker 1: I think it was Mendoza. No, it was wild got
Speaker 1: put through a table off the post of the end,
Speaker 1: and Santos is a reaction was just awesome. This was
Speaker 1: really good. So I would watch that wended you listen.
Speaker 1: I like Wendy Chew. I think she's a good worker.
Speaker 1: I think she does fun stuff. If you absolutely love
Speaker 1: the gimmick, okay, that's fine. But do not fool yourself
Speaker 1: and try to tell me that this is not their
Speaker 1: version of Orange Cassidy, because it is okay. And here's
Speaker 1: the problem, right, Orange Cassidy's comedy stuff gets over bigger
Speaker 1: than his wrestling. If you if you watch him do
Speaker 1: his comedy, place goes nuts. They cheer for his wrestling,
Speaker 1: but his comedy gets over more than his actual wrestling. Wendy,
Speaker 1: you absolute opposite. She came out and she did this
Speaker 1: spot where like she went for a single leg and
Speaker 1: then hugged the leg and put her head down like
Speaker 1: she was going to sleep because for GIMMI, because she's
Speaker 1: sleeps everywhere. Absolute deadly silence in this crowd, Like none
Speaker 1: of this stuff got over with the crowd. But then
Speaker 1: when she started wrestling, guess what got over with the crowd.
Speaker 1: The wrestling. Okay, So this is an example. If it works,
Speaker 1: it works right now, the sleeping gimmick is not working
Speaker 1: for wendych The wrestling gimmick is working. Maybe they can
Speaker 1: make it work, but right now the crowd just watches
Speaker 1: it like what is this? Why is she sleeping on
Speaker 1: her leg? So we'll see. Hey want to thank you
Speaker 1: for list today. Hey, thanks Mike. Yeah, Callers and listeners
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