Speaker 1: Hey, well, welcome back to bet you a Happy Hour.
Speaker 2: I'm Joe, I'm Serena.
Speaker 3: We are here today with Jeremy. Jeremy Welcome. We're in studio.
Speaker 3: Of course, this is a big interview.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been feeling.
Speaker 4: I've been feeling I've been feeling good. Yeah, try to
Speaker 4: stay off the internet, so really spirit with the exception
Speaker 4: of right after the episode, and I respond to a
Speaker 4: few comments overall them pretty.
Speaker 5: Good, okay, yeah, nice real Yeah, well, you know, I
Speaker 5: know on the internet.
Speaker 3: So yes, I mean, listen, it could be tough. It
Speaker 3: could be I mean, it's it's very tough getting judged
Speaker 3: by millions or I don't know about millions, but a
Speaker 3: lot of people.
Speaker 4: No, you don't know. Yeah, yeah, and I can see
Speaker 4: how many people look at my profile really yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been Uh, you're on the internet.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's let's kind of get let's get right
Speaker 3: into it. We don't really need to know about how
Speaker 3: you got on and all that, because we've talked to
Speaker 3: you before.
Speaker 6: Right now.
Speaker 3: First things first, you're down on the beach. You hit
Speaker 3: it off with Bailey. She's also talking to Kyle. She
Speaker 3: ends up choosing you. After that Row ceremony. Where was
Speaker 3: your relationship at at that point?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, when I went down to
Speaker 4: the beach, I think I knew a lot of people
Speaker 4: who were going to be there. Bailey i'd met for
Speaker 4: like five seconds before. I didn't really know anything about her,
Speaker 4: and she really took me, you know, by surprise. Just
Speaker 4: happened to be sitting next to her and we had
Speaker 4: a good conversation and she was like, she had such
Speaker 4: a positive energy and her smile and she's obviously beautiful.
Speaker 4: So she really caught me off guard. So it was
Speaker 4: obviously early stages, but I was, you know, very interested
Speaker 4: in her. I know she was, you know, talking to
Speaker 4: Kyle as well. I didn't really view it as like
Speaker 4: a competition. I think we were just vibing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, as a viewer, it definitely seemed like you guys
Speaker 5: had a very strong connection r A F the bat, Like,
Speaker 5: the chemistry is very obvious. There were you surprised when
Speaker 5: she picked you over Kyle or did you feel pretty confident?
Speaker 4: No? I was. She told me she was gonna give
Speaker 4: me the rose, so I wasn't I wasn't surprised.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, So then the following week Susie comes down.
Speaker 3: She asked you on a date. Yep, tell us about
Speaker 3: that date. You seem pretty happy to go. Make sense
Speaker 3: that you would go because it's early on.
Speaker 2: Had you met Susie before.
Speaker 4: I never met Susie before. No, we we'd followed each other.
Speaker 4: I didn't think I was going to be asked on
Speaker 4: a date. But then I found out that I was
Speaker 4: like the only one who talked to her the night before,
Speaker 4: So I guess that makes sense. And yeah, so I
Speaker 4: went on the date and it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Like it's I think it's hard to go jet skiing
Speaker 4: in Costa Rica and not have fun. And I think
Speaker 4: that like both with Susie and Bailey. I don't think
Speaker 4: I was expecting like either of them, right, and I
Speaker 4: was pleasantly surprised by both. So then when it came
Speaker 4: time for you know, the cocktail hour and the row ceremony,
Speaker 4: I was like in a tough position where I kind
Speaker 4: of felt like the bachelor and I'm definitely not the bachelor,
Speaker 4: and I was like making this tough decision and I
Speaker 4: ended up picking Bailey.
Speaker 5: Of course, what drew you in with Susie because we
Speaker 5: see you've obviously spent quite a few days with Bailey.
Speaker 5: I think at this point, like it's obvious that there's
Speaker 5: the connection there, but this one date with Susie has
Speaker 5: kind of made you feel really torn.
Speaker 2: What about Susie drew you in so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough because I had spent a few days
Speaker 4: with Bailey, but at the same time, it's still early on.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to close myself off, and Susie's a
Speaker 4: great girl, and I think we had a great conversation
Speaker 4: and you know, we were smiling and laughing a lot
Speaker 4: on the date. And I think that's what made it tough,
Speaker 4: is that I wasn't expecting to be in that position.
Speaker 4: And when you're in that position and it's so early on,
Speaker 4: you don't know what the future is going to be like,
Speaker 4: you don't know what life's going to be like, and
Speaker 4: you're no matter what, it's kind of like a gamble
Speaker 4: of when you're making that decision. So I just went
Speaker 4: with my gut.
Speaker 3: If you would have known that Susie was going to
Speaker 3: self eliminate, would you have given her your ros No?
Speaker 4: I know, you know, I made the comments about thinking
Speaker 4: that Susie was going to be there, which is true.
Speaker 4: I had a feeling that you know, you know someone
Speaker 4: as and Justin might extend the rose to her. But
Speaker 4: I don't think my decision would have changed. I still
Speaker 4: would have given Bailey the rose.
Speaker 5: When you told Bailey that you were going to go
Speaker 5: on the date with Susie, what did you expect her
Speaker 5: reaction to be.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if I had an idea
Speaker 4: of what her reaction would be. I think she kind
Speaker 4: of reacted the way that I thought she might, because
Speaker 4: she's like a pretty cool girl. We were only there
Speaker 4: for a few days. I don't think she was going
Speaker 4: to say no, and she was just like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: go on the date. You know if you still want
Speaker 4: to be with me after, like, I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to be here when Susie goes home.
Speaker 5: I would imagine as much as you were confident in
Speaker 5: your decision with Bailey, there was probably still this gray
Speaker 5: area of you may have continued exploring both women. Because
Speaker 5: we're learning from you guys that come on the podcast,
Speaker 5: how quick the turnarounds are happening this season. Like usually
Speaker 5: on our season you had like two or three days
Speaker 5: with someone for a row ceremony. Now it's like bang,
Speaker 5: someone comes in the next day, you have to make
Speaker 5: a decision.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we I came straight back from my date
Speaker 4: with Susie to getting ready for the cocktail party.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's wild. I think Susie was there for like
Speaker 4: twenty four hours. I think that, let's just say, for
Speaker 4: whatever reason, I gave Susie the roseen set of Bailey,
Speaker 4: I probably would have been having the same thoughts about
Speaker 4: Bailey too. You just have no idea, like you're basing
Speaker 4: it off of such a limited amount of time with someone.
Speaker 3: Okay, So then the following day Andrew comes in. This
Speaker 3: is where things start getting a little slippery. Bailey gets
Speaker 3: asked on a date and you, yeah, for a lack
Speaker 3: of better words, kind of lose your shit. Why And
Speaker 3: did you not, like, in the moment, think like she
Speaker 3: was so cool about me doing this, you know, twenty
Speaker 3: four hours ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I didn't really think in the moment
Speaker 4: we should work on that. I think the reason why
Speaker 4: I was upset was based on the conversation we had
Speaker 4: the night before, which is when Bailey was like, I'm
Speaker 4: here for you only so in my mind, when someone
Speaker 4: tells me that, it's not like, oh, I'm here for
Speaker 4: you until someone comes in tomorrow and asks me on
Speaker 4: a date.
Speaker 3: Did you plush when she said I'm here for you
Speaker 3: only did you say, well, what if somebody comes down?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't. But we had had a conversation not
Speaker 4: that night but earlier which I told her I'm like, listen.
Speaker 4: And this was even before Susie came down, So in
Speaker 4: the first few days where I was like listen, like
Speaker 4: I like you, but if someone comes down and asks
Speaker 4: me on a date, like I'm going to go on
Speaker 4: the date type of thing. So yeah, I felt like
Speaker 4: a little misled. But that being said, I still shouldn't
Speaker 4: have reacted to the way that I did.
Speaker 6: Like that happened.
Speaker 4: I watched myself on TV, like I look like a child. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: Like I'm thirty one years old. I probably haven't acted
Speaker 4: like that since I was like nine years old. And
Speaker 4: then do it on camera, and then you do it
Speaker 4: on camera, and you're doing it in front of millions
Speaker 4: of people, Like obviously I understand. While I'm getting some
Speaker 4: some hate for that, I wish I didn't react like that,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it happens, and I just got to, you know,
Speaker 4: live with it and and that's the decision I made
Speaker 4: in the moment.
Speaker 5: Your frustration from watching it, from what you're telling it
Speaker 5: seems to come from the fact that, yeah, you felt misled.
Speaker 5: You felt like she had said, like, hey, I'm only
Speaker 5: here for you, and we do see that conversation happens,
Speaker 5: so like you can kind of see where the miscommunication
Speaker 5: is watching it. Do you think if she had said, hey,
Speaker 5: look right now, I'm only here for you, but if
Speaker 5: someone comes down, I'm still open to exploring, would that
Speaker 5: have made your decision harder when it came down to
Speaker 5: choosing if you were going to give you rose to
Speaker 5: Bailey or Susie, Like, do you think that conversation kind
Speaker 5: of made or break your decision?
Speaker 4: No, I don't think it made her break my decision.
Speaker 4: I think I would have given Bailey the rose anyways,
Speaker 4: but like maybe I would have been like less annoyed, okay,
Speaker 4: and how I reacted, But either way, like I I'll
Speaker 4: be the first one to say I should not have
Speaker 4: reacted like that.
Speaker 5: Do you think that you were like locked in on
Speaker 5: Bailey at that point or where you still opened goin
Speaker 5: dates you were just really surprised that she also was.
Speaker 4: It's a good question. I don't remember exactly, but I
Speaker 4: think I was like locked in enough that I wanted
Speaker 4: to give her my rose and keep exploring after I
Speaker 4: just went on this date. I don't think that I
Speaker 4: was like expecting to go on another date, which I didn't.
Speaker 4: But yeah, like I get from like everyone's point of view,
Speaker 4: like I just went on the date, Like why wouldn't
Speaker 4: you extend that grace to to Bailey without getting upset? Like,
Speaker 4: I get it. I see both sides.
Speaker 1: No one's perfect. Yeah, made a mistake. No one's perfect.
Speaker 6: You know it is. I get it.
Speaker 3: Like watching it, I'm like, Jeremy, what the fuck are
Speaker 3: you doing? But like I understand, like I could be
Speaker 3: in that situation and just have gotten lost in the
Speaker 3: situation and freaked out in the moment, and you make
Speaker 3: a mistake.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think people who know me know I'm like
Speaker 4: a pretty chill dude. And if you don't know, when
Speaker 4: you saw that, you'd be like, this guy's fucking crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I get that, And that's what happened, and I
Speaker 4: can't take it back, and I just gotta gotta move
Speaker 4: on and learn from it.
Speaker 6: We're all a little crazy, that's why we, you know,
Speaker 6: go on reality.
Speaker 4: Yeah if you were, if you were, if you.
Speaker 1: Were completely normal, you wouldn't be on the show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's that.
Speaker 2: So we see that.
Speaker 5: Your response to Bailey going on this date with Andrew
Speaker 5: is you go to a producer, you go to interview,
Speaker 5: and you're like, I want Susie back.
Speaker 7: Walk us through.
Speaker 4: Nice move.
Speaker 5: What about Bailey's decision to Andrew to go on this
Speaker 5: date with Andrew triggered you wanting to bring Susie back? Like,
Speaker 5: give us some more insight into your thought process here,
Speaker 5: even if you weren't thinking, like what was the emotion
Speaker 5: really hesitated.
Speaker 4: Thinking that much? But like it was as simple as
Speaker 4: like she had said this to me. I feel betrayed.
Speaker 4: I had a tough time deciding who to give the
Speaker 4: rose to. Let's call Susie. Yeah, but like obviously Susie
Speaker 4: said no, Like if she said yes, I don't even
Speaker 4: know like what I would do, Like I really wasn't thinking.
Speaker 3: That was gonna be the follow up question. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: have no idea. Have you thought about that at all?
Speaker 2: Like what Susie said, Oh you know what, I actually
Speaker 2: just pulled out. We're going to turn the car around.
Speaker 2: I'm coming back right now.
Speaker 4: Like it's it was. It was a heat of the moment, obviously,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't like to live with regrets. I
Speaker 4: wish I handled it a bit differently.
Speaker 2: How do you actually handled it more maturely? What would
Speaker 2: that have looked like?
Speaker 4: Sleeping on it?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, So Susie ends up not coming back. Now,
Speaker 3: why not tell Bailey this kind of immediately, just like
Speaker 3: hey and I got once, you guys got back together.
Speaker 3: Once she came back from her Andrew date and she
Speaker 3: chose you, why not just come clean and be like, this.
Speaker 6: Is what I did. You're gonna see it anyways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, watching it back, that is one thing I definitely
Speaker 4: wish I did differently, especially because I am a fan
Speaker 4: of communication, Like I could have just told her then.
Speaker 4: I think my reasoning at the time was like, she
Speaker 4: just went on this date. You know, she's having conversations
Speaker 4: with this guy, kissing this guy. I'm not hearing about
Speaker 4: any of this. I'm having a conversation with this girl.
Speaker 4: I don't need to tell her about it. But something
Speaker 4: that I did I said in many interviews if things
Speaker 4: progress with Bailey, like I will obviously tell her. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm not just gonna like wait until maybe we can
Speaker 4: engage and tell her, or wait until the show's airing
Speaker 4: and tell her, Like I will tell her. I just
Speaker 4: feel like, because it was still early stages, it wasn't
Speaker 4: necessary at the time.
Speaker 6: Okay, So that's where.
Speaker 3: So that's also I think where you're going to get
Speaker 3: people even now listening to this have a hard time.
Speaker 3: I believe you, because I don't think you're lying, but
Speaker 3: I do think people will hear them and be like, well,
Speaker 3: you had eight days, it seems like your relations ship
Speaker 3: did progress. Yeah, did you still didn't tell her?
Speaker 4: Listen. I'm in a position where if I become like
Speaker 4: even a little bit defensive, people are like, oh, like
Speaker 4: he's a liar. He's just like, yeah, whatever, blaming it
Speaker 4: on stuff like it's a tough line to, you know,
Speaker 4: to to walk on. But the truth is, like I
Speaker 4: was having like thoughts of telling Bailey the whole thing
Speaker 4: with we saw in episode seven. The only reason I
Speaker 4: actually didn't tell her that night was because, like I
Speaker 4: went to sleep. That was my one night to catch
Speaker 4: up on sleep. You guys know, like you don't sleep
Speaker 4: a lot on the show, And I wish I could
Speaker 4: have told her the day before, but the day before
Speaker 4: was like our our one on one date in the competition.
Speaker 4: It's like, if people don't want to believe me, they
Speaker 4: don't have to. But like I genuinely was going to
Speaker 4: tell her. And the reason why I was like pissed
Speaker 4: at Brian was because I feel like that opportunity was
Speaker 4: taken away from me. Sure I technically had a few
Speaker 4: days of opportunity. I just felt like, because it's mine
Speaker 4: and Bailey's relationship, I should be able to tell her,
Speaker 4: like when I feel it's the right time to tell.
Speaker 3: Her, let's take let's take a few steps back, just
Speaker 3: because I want to talk about you. You being in
Speaker 3: your room telling opening up to Brian about you still
Speaker 3: having feelings for Susie helped me out with I guess
Speaker 3: the timeline from that conversation to like when you and
Speaker 3: Bailey got pairedop as a team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say first off, like that conversation conversation itself,
Speaker 4: I don't remember it all happening. I think Brian might
Speaker 4: even say some of it like the same thing, But
Speaker 4: they were all just like their comments, some of them
Speaker 4: were jokes. You could even like if you go back,
Speaker 4: I say, I'm kidding in them, and I'm also the
Speaker 4: type of person I'll just say whatever. I'm not going to,
Speaker 4: you know, filter for the camera, whether I mean it
Speaker 4: or not.
Speaker 3: Well, I knew you were joking when you said I
Speaker 3: hate the Goldens because I could tell that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was worry about monologues that are going on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was clearly a joke.
Speaker 4: But the whole timeline between, like from the Susie phone
Speaker 4: call through those comments, it took place over three days
Speaker 4: and we were filming for over three and a half weeks.
Speaker 4: So I mean, that's like the unfortunate part of all
Speaker 4: of this is that, like there are so many good
Speaker 4: moments and like me and Bailey, our relationship develop a
Speaker 4: lot from like that part out, but there was so
Speaker 4: much focus on three days, which were stretched across three
Speaker 4: episodes that like, of course people are gonna focus on that.
Speaker 4: But if you ask me, and honestly, if you probably
Speaker 4: ask a lot of the cast members, that wasn't like
Speaker 4: a big part of Paradise.
Speaker 5: It seems like you and Bailey had this like we're
Speaker 5: both exploring.
Speaker 2: You know, you explored with Susie. She explored with.
Speaker 5: Andrew, and this kind of like don't ask don't tell
Speaker 5: policy at the beginning of your relationship where it's like, Hey,
Speaker 5: I don't want to hear about your date. You don't
Speaker 5: want to hear about my day. We're doing other stuff.
Speaker 5: We both know it, but like we're not going to
Speaker 5: talk about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what's the thought process going on in your mind
Speaker 7: of like I'm having these conflicting feelings of like I
Speaker 7: don't know if I'm one hundred percent locked in on Bailey,
Speaker 7: but I know she's one hundred percent locked in on me.
Speaker 5: Like where do you draw that line? Because it seems
Speaker 5: like you draw where you're like, I'm not going to
Speaker 5: talk about anything related to choos until I feel like
Speaker 5: I absolutely have to. But now as the viewer, it
Speaker 5: does feel like there's like lying byomission happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's unfortunate because I don't I don't think
Speaker 4: of myself as a liar. I get why people could
Speaker 4: see it that way. By watching the show, it was
Speaker 4: essentially like we were both exploring other people. We weren't
Speaker 4: talking about it. If this turns into something real, like
Speaker 4: we will have a conversation about it.
Speaker 6: When did it turn into something real?
Speaker 4: Ye? For me? Like the switch for me really happened,
Speaker 4: like when it became like the competition aspect, we obviously
Speaker 4: were learning a lot about each other anyways, but like
Speaker 4: we were so locked in on each other, and it
Speaker 4: really felt like from my part, like feelings were really
Speaker 4: starting to develop. And even though kind of the competition
Speaker 4: takes place over like four episodes or so, that was
Speaker 4: like really a main part of the whole experience. So
Speaker 4: for me, it was probably around the time of like
Speaker 4: the competition starting and us winning that competition, having that
Speaker 4: amazing date, and really just like the weeks.
Speaker 3: After that, did you guys have a conversation at all
Speaker 3: about like, Okay, we're are we boyfriend girlfriend?
Speaker 6: Like where what is our relationship status.
Speaker 4: At this point?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, in the future weeks, maybe you'll have to tune
Speaker 4: in on ABC and Hulu.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, on your date, the date seems great, Like
Speaker 5: you're seeing your relationship kind of flourish, is it at
Speaker 5: all in the back of your mind of like, but
Speaker 5: at some point I'm going to have to tell her
Speaker 5: this information that's going to really.
Speaker 4: Hurt her one hundred percent. And there was even a
Speaker 4: point in the data where you could see on TV
Speaker 4: where I'm like telling her I'm like, you kind of
Speaker 4: like caught me off guard with the date you were
Speaker 4: going on, Like obviously I'm thinking about that, but like,
Speaker 4: who wants to ruin this like amazing day with that?
Speaker 4: And then literally the next day was when she found
Speaker 4: out in your.
Speaker 5: Mind, what would have been like the perfect time to
Speaker 5: tell her if you had the chance to do it
Speaker 5: on your terms.
Speaker 4: So, like I said, I was thinking about doing it
Speaker 4: that night, I chose to get sleep, and I like,
Speaker 4: I can't beat whatever it happens, Like she found out
Speaker 4: a different way, and like we just needed to move
Speaker 4: on from that.
Speaker 3: When Jesse came down and basically introed a whole new show,
Speaker 3: a competition show, and said, no one else is coming down,
Speaker 3: were you guys like locked off at that point? Or
Speaker 3: would you if people were still coming down? Do you
Speaker 3: think Bailey or yourself would have gone on another day?
Speaker 4: No, neither of us wouldn't would have gone on another date.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so you guys were You may not have
Speaker 3: been boyfriend girlfriend, but you were exclusive in paradise terms.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think we both kind of said that
Speaker 4: in interviews. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: All right, let's dive into the big episode where Bailey
Speaker 5: finds out. So before we get into it, we do
Speaker 5: see that Spencer and Alex both Stadio on separate occasions.
Speaker 2: We don't know exactly when it's just like clips.
Speaker 5: Back saying like, you have to tell Bailly this information,
Speaker 5: like she has to know and everyone here knows except
Speaker 5: for her. Were you at any point worried that someone
Speaker 5: would tell her before you got the chance to?
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think I was worried because again,
Speaker 4: like I didn't think it was anyone's place too, even
Speaker 4: though they had the information. I don't know how everyone
Speaker 4: found out about it obviously, like it's a small beach
Speaker 4: and people talk. I told a few people about it,
Speaker 4: but then then words spread. But no, I wasn't worried
Speaker 4: because I still thought it was like my place to
Speaker 4: tell her.
Speaker 2: Gotcha?
Speaker 5: Okay, So Brian decides to tell Bailey. We see this
Speaker 5: whole rendezvous thing happened first where she comes to you
Speaker 5: and says like, hey, Brian asked me to go for
Speaker 5: this rendezvous. Did any part of you think, Oh my god,
Speaker 5: I wonder if he's going to tell her.
Speaker 2: Were you like, is he trying to hit on Bailey?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: What even is happening.
Speaker 4: No, the phone call wasn't even like a thought in
Speaker 4: my mind. Like even the conversation with Brian from like
Speaker 4: a few weeks PI, I don't even remember having that,
Speaker 4: Like I didn't even realize that he knew that information,
Speaker 4: like the week the episode before when there's that whole
Speaker 4: like Godfather scene between me and Brian, and I think
Speaker 4: people think it's about the phone call. That's not what
Speaker 4: it was about. I'd even told him in that conversation
Speaker 4: like we're not sending you home. So No, it wasn't
Speaker 4: a thought in my head that Brian was going to
Speaker 4: tell him. I did think it was like a little
Speaker 4: weird that he asked around a secret rendezvous. It was
Speaker 4: like I was like, what are you doing? Like I
Speaker 4: know you and Paris aren't like so strong, but like,
Speaker 4: are you're really going to try to talk to Bailey?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I found it odd.
Speaker 3: Do you think do you think Brian told Bailey because
Speaker 3: he felt bad for Bailey and cared about her? Or
Speaker 3: do you think Brian told Bailey because that's a competition
Speaker 3: and want it you gone?
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 4: What do you think? I Brian and Bailey were not
Speaker 4: friends again?
Speaker 3: They Wren because he's he as a viewer, he's I
Speaker 3: love Bailey.
Speaker 4: Oh I saw it. Yeah, I didn't see that in
Speaker 4: person on the beach. I don't think anyone did. I
Speaker 4: think he was trying to play a game and he
Speaker 4: thought it was it was a good move.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, how is it? Watching back that conversation between
Speaker 2: Brian and.
Speaker 4: Bailey, Like, I just wish that he had like came
Speaker 4: up to me first. And of course people are gonna
Speaker 4: be like, oh, you had your opportunity. Sure, I still
Speaker 4: think you should have came to me first. At the
Speaker 4: end of the day, I can't control what someone else does.
Speaker 4: It was it was a hard watch obviously. I don't
Speaker 4: like seeing Bailey like that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, she then comes to you, wakes you
Speaker 5: up out of your deep, deep slumber.
Speaker 6: Real quick, real quick, though, real quick. Keep going.
Speaker 3: But I just want to ask this real quick, from
Speaker 3: a competition standpoint, as this game is, as the show
Speaker 3: is somewhat changed, do you fault Ryan for doing it?
Speaker 3: If it was a move, if it was if it
Speaker 3: was a move to get you out of the competition.
Speaker 4: No, I don't fall Okay, yeah, but it's going off
Speaker 4: that I don't think it was out of a goodness
Speaker 4: of his heart or like a friendship loving thing. I
Speaker 4: think it was a It was a move, and it
Speaker 4: was sure well played. I don't think it worked, but yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Nice Bailey wakes you up.
Speaker 5: The shot of you half asleep to like wide awake
Speaker 5: is like just an incredible shot. I can't believe they
Speaker 5: got such a close up of your eyeballs on camera.
Speaker 4: There were a lot of cameras, and it's just.
Speaker 5: That moment of like you can see you going from
Speaker 5: like what happened? Like you're probably thinking like, oh, did
Speaker 5: you go on the rendezvous?
Speaker 2: What happened? And then it's just like shock. So obviously
Speaker 2: you were not expecting this.
Speaker 5: Tell us about that conversation between you and Bailey when
Speaker 5: she's asking what happened? You know, we hear her say
Speaker 5: like do you want to be with her?
Speaker 2: She really distraught.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I honestly don't even remember like the first minute
Speaker 4: of that conversation. So, like I said before, that was
Speaker 4: going to be like my night to catch up on sleep.
Speaker 4: I was in like such a deep sleep and I
Speaker 4: woke up. I was like, what is going on? But
Speaker 4: obviously I woke up very quickly there were apologies that happened,
Speaker 4: and you know, I apologize and talked about it a
Speaker 4: little bit, and we pretty much agreed that like we
Speaker 4: could continue the conversation like the next morning after, because
Speaker 4: I wanted to give her time to like digest things.
Speaker 4: I think the part that like kind of sucks about
Speaker 4: all of that is that it kind of makes it
Speaker 4: seem like, I, you know, we have this short conversation,
Speaker 4: I just like don't care and go to sleep, which
Speaker 4: is not at all what happened. Just to be very
Speaker 4: clear on that, we had a conversation, she was pulled
Speaker 4: for an interview. I tried saying good night to her
Speaker 4: and to continue talk to her for probably like forty
Speaker 4: five minutes. So then when you see me like all
Speaker 4: angry by the bar, I was like looking for I
Speaker 4: was like, I just want to say good night to
Speaker 4: her and then talk to her. Yeah, and then I
Speaker 4: was like, fuck it, I'm just going to sleep after
Speaker 4: like an hour or.
Speaker 2: Okay, can you give us a little bit more about.
Speaker 5: What was said in that conversation between you and Bailey,
Speaker 5: Like what is she saying to you?
Speaker 2: What are you saying back to her?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it almost seems as if you were. It
Speaker 3: almost seems like Bailey's crying and then and she's almost
Speaker 3: like apologizing to you for being upset.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just give us more insight into the conversation between
Speaker 5: the two of you. Yeah, like you're saying, you know,
Speaker 5: I apologies were given, Like, tell us about those apologies.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I I apologize for a bunch of things, obviously
Speaker 4: for the phone call first off, Secondly for not telling her,
Speaker 4: thirdly for her needing to find out from someone else
Speaker 4: that that wasn't me. She was very upset, which and
Speaker 4: I hate seeing her cry. So I really just like
Speaker 4: wanted to, you know, make sure she was in an
Speaker 4: okay headspace, like as okay as she could be. And
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to try to like I wasn't going
Speaker 4: to try to like influence her or sell her on
Speaker 4: being with me. I'm like, I fucked up. I want
Speaker 4: to be with you. She asked, like, Oh, do you
Speaker 4: want to be with her? No, Like, I haven't thought
Speaker 4: about her in a long time. I want to be
Speaker 4: with you. And I know she needed to gather her thoughts.
Speaker 4: I know she needed to like digest things and like
Speaker 4: sleep on it. And that's like what I wanted to
Speaker 4: let her do, and we like we pretty much said
Speaker 4: that we would, you know, talk and like go on
Speaker 4: a walk the next day.
Speaker 3: What did you think when you woke up in the morning,
Speaker 3: What's going to happen? Did you think she was going
Speaker 3: to leave her stay?
Speaker 4: I really didn't know. She she was like an hour
Speaker 4: late to our walk, which I don't blame her. She
Speaker 4: had a she had a rough night, so I think
Speaker 4: at first I was like kind of nervous. There was
Speaker 4: a part of our convers station where like I asked
Speaker 4: her like, like, do you even want to accept my
Speaker 4: rose like later because it was the same day as
Speaker 4: a rose ceremony, and she said yes. So we kind
Speaker 4: of just like talked about things out. There was a
Speaker 4: part shown where she's asking me about the comment about
Speaker 4: like proposing to Susie. Yeah, if you go and look
Speaker 4: back at that, Like, first off, like my humor as
Speaker 4: dry as it is, I don't even remember saying that,
Speaker 4: But if you go back, I say, like, I'm kidding, like.
Speaker 5: Right after that comments very obviously a joke everyone out
Speaker 5: here that thinks that you were actually planning and proposing
Speaker 5: to Susie.
Speaker 4: For a day, but I get it. But like when
Speaker 4: when she asked me, like, I genuinely, like I swear
Speaker 4: to God on camera, I don't remember saying that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, were you cringing when it was aired back
Speaker 2: and you were like.
Speaker 4: And something that me and Bailey talked about in that
Speaker 4: conversation was like listen, like even if there were comments
Speaker 4: made about Susie, like you know how joking I am
Speaker 4: like me and Bailey between us, we would joke about Susie.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, no, I didn't say that, but if
Speaker 4: things were said like like I want to be with you,
Speaker 4: just to be very clear, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: So now we see what seems like the rest of
Speaker 3: the cast, or most of the cat I want to say,
Speaker 3: all of them are pretty upset at Brian for telling
Speaker 3: Bailey Yeah why.
Speaker 4: I think there are a few reasons. I think one,
Speaker 4: they don't think that Brian should have inserted himself into
Speaker 4: someone else's relationship when he had his own relationship to
Speaker 4: work on. That was first. Second off, I think that
Speaker 4: as much as Brian wants to say like, oh I
Speaker 4: love Bailey, I'm friends with her, I don't think anyone
Speaker 4: actually thought that. And I thought they were doing it
Speaker 4: as like a gameplay, a strategic move. To like maybe
Speaker 4: send us home and keep himself there. And also like,
Speaker 4: you only see so much of what's happening, And I
Speaker 4: think people knew how strong of a relationship that Bailey
Speaker 4: and I had, one of the strongest of the strongest
Speaker 4: there genuinely at the time. And the whole phone call
Speaker 4: and comments were really like such a small thing of
Speaker 4: what happened. And people know who I am as a person,
Speaker 4: and they know I was there for Bailey, and I
Speaker 4: just don't think they like how Brian went about everything.
Speaker 5: What part do you think Bailey was the most upset
Speaker 5: about out of the entire thing, Like the phone call,
Speaker 5: the comments that you're not telling her her you potentially
Speaker 5: still being like wanting Susie, Like, what do you think
Speaker 5: the biggest piece of it was.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think all of it plays in a factor.
Speaker 4: I think she was obviously upset that I didn't tell her,
Speaker 4: and I would be too. I wish I did it before,
Speaker 4: but I can't go back and change that. I also
Speaker 4: think she was definitely upset that, like some of her
Speaker 4: friends didn't tell her. Yeah, it's she was in a
Speaker 4: really shitty position.
Speaker 2: Were you surprised by everyone's reaction to what Brian did.
Speaker 4: That, they were like going after him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, were you surprised that the rest of the cast,
Speaker 5: or at least a lot of them, were in a
Speaker 5: way villainizing Brian for telling Bailey what had happened.
Speaker 4: No, I wasn't surprised at all. I guess I could
Speaker 4: see why America was surprised, but I don't think anyone
Speaker 4: in the cast was surprised. I think he did it
Speaker 4: for a reason. And yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Think that the core of why they were mad at
Speaker 5: Brian was that he did it for malicious reasons and
Speaker 5: self serving reasons.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so what did you know?
Speaker 3: We we see in this episode Brian is kind of
Speaker 3: like backtracking with you of like what he did, Like
Speaker 3: like I got you, like.
Speaker 6: I owe you?
Speaker 3: What was the conversation before that? Did you guys like talk?
Speaker 3: Did he apologize? Like where are you? Where do you
Speaker 3: guys stand?
Speaker 5: It definitely comes across like, hey, I know that I
Speaker 5: did something that messed with your relationship last week. I
Speaker 5: feel guilty about it, but just know that moving forward,
Speaker 5: you have my loyalty. And it's hard to kind of
Speaker 5: get a read on exactly how you're feeling where you
Speaker 5: stand on that conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I as much as I didn't like how he
Speaker 4: went about the whole thing with Bailey, I respected that
Speaker 4: he came up to me and tried to talk to
Speaker 4: me about it. I don't respect still what he actually did,
Speaker 4: but I do like that he came up to me.
Speaker 4: But that wasn't going to like change you know, how
Speaker 4: I was going to vote or anything like that.
Speaker 7: Do you?
Speaker 3: And you may not know the answer to this, but
Speaker 3: where does Bailey stand on the Brian of it all?
Speaker 4: Is she? I can't speak on her behalf?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Was she defending Brian after everything went down when everyone
Speaker 5: was mad at him?
Speaker 4: I don't exactly remember, but I mean she was obviously,
Speaker 4: you know, happy that someone told her about the call
Speaker 4: and that was Brian, So I think, you know, she
Speaker 4: defended him in that sense, But yeah, I don't really
Speaker 4: remember it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: In terms of her relationships with the girls that were
Speaker 5: her closest friends, we don't really see much fallout other
Speaker 5: than maybe a little bit of her conversations with Alex,
Speaker 5: and then in this next episode everything seems to be okay.
Speaker 5: Were there maybe conversations that we didn't see, Were people
Speaker 5: apologetic towards Bailey or did they really root themselves in
Speaker 5: the fact that, like, no one should have said anything
Speaker 5: and it should have.
Speaker 2: Come from Jeremy.
Speaker 4: I don't want to speak on something I don't know.
Speaker 4: I wasn't part of any of those conversations. I'm sure
Speaker 4: they were apologetic, but like I again, I really see
Speaker 4: both sides of it. It's like one of course, they
Speaker 4: want to tell her, but like on the other side,
Speaker 4: like they want to give me the opportunity to as well.
Speaker 6: Got it? Okay?
Speaker 3: Well, I think I mean for the most part, we
Speaker 3: pretty much covered all of it.
Speaker 4: But I do ask anything, what about like all the
Speaker 4: good parts of our relationship?
Speaker 6: We could talk about that.
Speaker 5: Before we get into that, though, I want to ask
Speaker 5: who did you vote for this week to go Home?
Speaker 4: What was it?
Speaker 1: It was it Brian and Brian pars Shut?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, was that who you voted for?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so. So.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say we covered most of the most
Speaker 3: of it, But is there anything you do want to
Speaker 3: touch on as far as your relationship with Bailey and
Speaker 3: what people may not see.
Speaker 4: No, I think it's just like, I mean, you're shown
Speaker 4: maybe zero point one percent of what happens. I get
Speaker 4: that it makes for good TVs. So I think that
Speaker 4: there was so much placed on a few days of
Speaker 4: drama when realistically, like if you ask me or her
Speaker 4: or anyone back, like Paired was great, Like there were
Speaker 4: so many people forming strong relationships and that really is
Speaker 4: like the bulk of paradise, which was us developing a
Speaker 4: strong relationship and like the stuff you see in the
Speaker 4: most recent episode, like her, you know, doing this great
Speaker 4: thing for my birthday and getting me cakes and all that.
Speaker 4: So I just wish that more of that was shown
Speaker 4: in that people really understand that we were forming such
Speaker 4: an amazing relationship and a lot of like the drama,
Speaker 4: it was like so old and we were very much
Speaker 4: past it.
Speaker 3: At this point, At this point in your relationship in
Speaker 3: the show, are you guys having conversations about after the show?
Speaker 6: Yet?
Speaker 4: We definitely were talking about like life after the show
Speaker 4: and you know what it would look like where we
Speaker 4: would be living and things like that.
Speaker 6: Got it.
Speaker 5: Do you feel like all the drama that went down
Speaker 5: inevitably made you stronger? Do you think it set you
Speaker 5: guys back a pace?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why. And like I was saying before, it's
Speaker 4: like I don't like to live with regrets, like the
Speaker 4: show and the stuff that happened went down, like how
Speaker 4: it went down, and we were really strong. So of
Speaker 4: course there were things that I wish I did differently,
Speaker 4: but like also everything that we went through made us
Speaker 4: like such a strong couple. We went through a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff, and like I know that we made such
Speaker 4: a great team, not just like in the competition aspect,
Speaker 4: but like outside of it, and like how we would
Speaker 4: talk to each other and and even deal with like
Speaker 4: the voting and stuff, and she was such a great
Speaker 4: like partner and teammate. So yeah, it probably definitely made
Speaker 4: us stronger.
Speaker 3: Nice all right, Jeremy, anything else you want to say
Speaker 3: before we let you go?
Speaker 4: No, nothing, all the top of my ad.
Speaker 6: Nice.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah it was, I'm actually really glad we did
Speaker 3: this in person too.
Speaker 6: Fun. Thank you so much for coming on betch our
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