WEBVTT - Jeremy's Getting Real 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:03.880 Hey, well, welcome back to bet you a Happy Hour. 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:05.080 I'm Joe, I'm Serena. 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:09.399 We are here today with Jeremy. Jeremy Welcome. We're in studio. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:14.080 Of course, this is a big interview. 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:15.200 Yeah. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:17.040 Yeah, I've been feeling. 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.160 I've been feeling I've been feeling good. Yeah, try to 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:24.560 stay off the internet, so really spirit with the exception 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.560 of right after the episode, and I respond to a 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:28.920 few comments overall them pretty. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:33.040 Good, okay, yeah, nice real Yeah, well, you know, I 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.440 know on the internet. 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.600 So yes, I mean, listen, it could be tough. It 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.960 could be I mean, it's it's very tough getting judged 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.320 by millions or I don't know about millions, but a 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:44.080 lot of people. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.960 No, you don't know. Yeah, yeah, and I can see 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.080 how many people look at my profile really yeah. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.920 Yeah, it's been Uh, you're on the internet. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:56.639 Okay, so let's let's kind of get let's get right 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:01.000 into it. We don't really need to know about how 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:02.960 you got on and all that, because we've talked to 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:03.360 you before. 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:03.840 Right now. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.880 First things first, you're down on the beach. You hit 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:12.240 it off with Bailey. She's also talking to Kyle. She 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.480 ends up choosing you. After that Row ceremony. Where was 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:17.800 your relationship at at that point? 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.200 Yeah, I think, you know, when I went down to 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.520 the beach, I think I knew a lot of people 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.200 who were going to be there. Bailey i'd met for 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.720 like five seconds before. I didn't really know anything about her, 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.880 and she really took me, you know, by surprise. Just 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.520 happened to be sitting next to her and we had 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.520 a good conversation and she was like, she had such 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.360 a positive energy and her smile and she's obviously beautiful. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.399 So she really caught me off guard. So it was 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.720 obviously early stages, but I was, you know, very interested 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.280 in her. I know she was, you know, talking to 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.080 Kyle as well. I didn't really view it as like 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.840 a competition. I think we were just vibing. 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.360 Yeah, as a viewer, it definitely seemed like you guys 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.320 had a very strong connection r A F the bat, Like, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.880 the chemistry is very obvious. There were you surprised when 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.880 she picked you over Kyle or did you feel pretty confident? 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:06.960 No? I was. She told me she was gonna give 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.959 me the rose, so I wasn't I wasn't surprised. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:13.919 Yeah, Okay, So then the following week Susie comes down. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.640 She asked you on a date. Yep, tell us about 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.680 that date. You seem pretty happy to go. Make sense 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.040 that you would go because it's early on. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:24.400 Had you met Susie before. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.200 I never met Susie before. No, we we'd followed each other. 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:30.920 I didn't think I was going to be asked on 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.440 a date. But then I found out that I was 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.440 like the only one who talked to her the night before, 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:39.040 So I guess that makes sense. And yeah, so I 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:40.800 went on the date and it was a lot of fun. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.240 Like it's I think it's hard to go jet skiing 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:47.360 in Costa Rica and not have fun. And I think 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.639 that like both with Susie and Bailey. I don't think 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.919 I was expecting like either of them, right, and I 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.639 was pleasantly surprised by both. So then when it came 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.600 time for you know, the cocktail hour and the row ceremony, 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.240 I was like in a tough position where I kind 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.040 of felt like the bachelor and I'm definitely not the bachelor, 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:04.880 and I was like making this tough decision and I 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:05.800 ended up picking Bailey. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.840 Of course, what drew you in with Susie because we 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:11.960 see you've obviously spent quite a few days with Bailey. 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:13.880 I think at this point, like it's obvious that there's 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:18.799 the connection there, but this one date with Susie has 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:20.840 kind of made you feel really torn. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.640 What about Susie drew you in so much. 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:27.320 Yeah, it's tough because I had spent a few days 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.480 with Bailey, but at the same time, it's still early on. 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.840 I didn't want to close myself off, and Susie's a 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.079 great girl, and I think we had a great conversation 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.720 and you know, we were smiling and laughing a lot 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.040 on the date. And I think that's what made it tough, 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.720 is that I wasn't expecting to be in that position. 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.480 And when you're in that position and it's so early on, 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.200 you don't know what the future is going to be like, 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:49.920 you don't know what life's going to be like, and 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.040 you're no matter what, it's kind of like a gamble 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.240 of when you're making that decision. So I just went 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:57.240 with my gut. 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.440 If you would have known that Susie was going to 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:06.800 self eliminate, would you have given her your ros No? 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.640 I know, you know, I made the comments about thinking 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.600 that Susie was going to be there, which is true. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.920 I had a feeling that you know, you know someone 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.080 as and Justin might extend the rose to her. But 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.080 I don't think my decision would have changed. I still 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:20.360 would have given Bailey the rose. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.080 When you told Bailey that you were going to go 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.600 on the date with Susie, what did you expect her 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:29.359 reaction to be. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.640 I don't I don't know if I had an idea 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.960 of what her reaction would be. I think she kind 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.280 of reacted the way that I thought she might, because 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.760 she's like a pretty cool girl. We were only there 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.120 for a few days. I don't think she was going 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.280 to say no, and she was just like, yeah, you know, 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.240 go on the date. You know if you still want 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:51.480 to be with me after, like, I'm. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.239 Going to be here when Susie goes home. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.880 I would imagine as much as you were confident in 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.760 your decision with Bailey, there was probably still this gray 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.880 area of you may have continued exploring both women. Because 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.040 we're learning from you guys that come on the podcast, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.839 how quick the turnarounds are happening this season. Like usually 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.120 on our season you had like two or three days 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.360 with someone for a row ceremony. Now it's like bang, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.080 someone comes in the next day, you have to make 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:15.600 a decision. 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.440 Yeah, so we I came straight back from my date 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.520 with Susie to getting ready for the cocktail party. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:23.520 Yeah that's wild. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.599 Yeah, it's wild. I think Susie was there for like 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.760 twenty four hours. I think that, let's just say, for 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.400 whatever reason, I gave Susie the roseen set of Bailey, 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.279 I probably would have been having the same thoughts about 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.159 Bailey too. You just have no idea, like you're basing 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.240 it off of such a limited amount of time with someone. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:45.480 Okay, So then the following day Andrew comes in. This 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.039 is where things start getting a little slippery. Bailey gets 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.520 asked on a date and you, yeah, for a lack 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:57.120 of better words, kind of lose your shit. Why And 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.320 did you not, like, in the moment, think like she 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.080 was so cool about me doing this, you know, twenty 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:02.800 four hours ago. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.520 Yeah, I think I didn't really think in the moment 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.960 we should work on that. I think the reason why 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:13.279 I was upset was based on the conversation we had 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.000 the night before, which is when Bailey was like, I'm 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.440 here for you only so in my mind, when someone 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.200 tells me that, it's not like, oh, I'm here for 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.359 you until someone comes in tomorrow and asks me on 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:22.719 a date. 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:24.560 Did you plush when she said I'm here for you 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:26.520 only did you say, well, what if somebody comes down? 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:27.240 Uh? 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.479 No, I didn't. But we had had a conversation not 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.159 that night but earlier which I told her I'm like, listen. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.599 And this was even before Susie came down, So in 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.359 the first few days where I was like listen, like 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.599 I like you, but if someone comes down and asks 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:41.800 me on a date, like I'm going to go on 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.240 the date type of thing. So yeah, I felt like 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:49.480 a little misled. But that being said, I still shouldn't 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:50.960 have reacted to the way that I did. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:51.640 Like that happened. 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.599 I watched myself on TV, like I look like a child. Yeah, right, 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.599 Like I'm thirty one years old. I probably haven't acted 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.200 like that since I was like nine years old. And 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:01.680 then do it on camera, and then you do it 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:03.200 on camera, and you're doing it in front of millions 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.800 of people, Like obviously I understand. While I'm getting some 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.280 some hate for that, I wish I didn't react like that, 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:14.720 but yeah, it happens, and I just got to, you know, 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.240 live with it and and that's the decision I made 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:17.720 in the moment. 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.600 Your frustration from watching it, from what you're telling it 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.840 seems to come from the fact that, yeah, you felt misled. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.160 You felt like she had said, like, hey, I'm only 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.360 here for you, and we do see that conversation happens, 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.720 so like you can kind of see where the miscommunication 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.320 is watching it. Do you think if she had said, hey, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.880 look right now, I'm only here for you, but if 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.840 someone comes down, I'm still open to exploring, would that 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.800 have made your decision harder when it came down to 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:45.080 choosing if you were going to give you rose to 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.440 Bailey or Susie, Like, do you think that conversation kind 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:48.680 of made or break your decision? 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.640 No, I don't think it made her break my decision. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.120 I think I would have given Bailey the rose anyways, 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.640 but like maybe I would have been like less annoyed, okay, 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.840 and how I reacted, But either way, like I I'll 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:01.240 be the first one to say I should not have 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:02.040 reacted like that. 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.560 Do you think that you were like locked in on 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.320 Bailey at that point or where you still opened goin 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.720 dates you were just really surprised that she also was. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.320 It's a good question. I don't remember exactly, but I 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.360 think I was like locked in enough that I wanted 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.640 to give her my rose and keep exploring after I 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.720 just went on this date. I don't think that I 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.240 was like expecting to go on another date, which I didn't. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.080 But yeah, like I get from like everyone's point of view, 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.360 like I just went on the date, Like why wouldn't 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.000 you extend that grace to to Bailey without getting upset? Like, 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.160 I get it. I see both sides. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.960 No one's perfect. Yeah, made a mistake. No one's perfect. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:41.560 You know it is. I get it. 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.320 Like watching it, I'm like, Jeremy, what the fuck are 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.000 you doing? But like I understand, like I could be 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.640 in that situation and just have gotten lost in the 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.040 situation and freaked out in the moment, and you make 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:53.520 a mistake. 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:55.839 Yeah. I think people who know me know I'm like 0:08:55.880 --> 0:09:00.760 a pretty chill dude. And if you don't know, when 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.800 you saw that, you'd be like, this guy's fucking crazy. Yeah, 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.079 And I get that, And that's what happened, and I 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.120 can't take it back, and I just gotta gotta move 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:10.000 on and learn from it. 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.080 We're all a little crazy, that's why we, you know, 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:12.840 go on reality. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:14.640 Yeah if you were, if you were, if you. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:16.400 Were completely normal, you wouldn't be on the show. 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.240 Yeah, there's that. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.480 So we see that. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.440 Your response to Bailey going on this date with Andrew 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:28.080 is you go to a producer, you go to interview, 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.120 and you're like, I want Susie back. 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:34.240 Walk us through. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:35.680 Nice move. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.680 What about Bailey's decision to Andrew to go on this 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.800 date with Andrew triggered you wanting to bring Susie back? Like, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.360 give us some more insight into your thought process here, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.400 even if you weren't thinking, like what was the emotion 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:49.559 really hesitated. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.760 Thinking that much? But like it was as simple as 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.079 like she had said this to me. I feel betrayed. 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.280 I had a tough time deciding who to give the 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:02.120 rose to. Let's call Susie. Yeah, but like obviously Susie 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.600 said no, Like if she said yes, I don't even 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.920 know like what I would do, Like I really wasn't thinking. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.320 That was gonna be the follow up question. Yeah, you 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.319 have no idea. Have you thought about that at all? 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.360 Like what Susie said, Oh you know what, I actually 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.160 just pulled out. We're going to turn the car around. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:17.080 I'm coming back right now. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:22.120 Like it's it was. It was a heat of the moment, obviously, 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.480 you know, I don't like to live with regrets. I 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:25.920 wish I handled it a bit differently. 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.360 How do you actually handled it more maturely? What would 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:30.920 that have looked like? 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.040 Sleeping on it? 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:41.320 Yeah? 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:47.520 Yeah, okay, okay, So Susie ends up not coming back. Now, 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:52.320 why not tell Bailey this kind of immediately, just like 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.600 hey and I got once, you guys got back together. 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.480 Once she came back from her Andrew date and she 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.840 chose you, why not just come clean and be like, this. 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:02.600 Is what I did. You're gonna see it anyways. 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.840 Yeah, watching it back, that is one thing I definitely 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.520 wish I did differently, especially because I am a fan 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.560 of communication, Like I could have just told her then. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.400 I think my reasoning at the time was like, she 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.680 just went on this date. You know, she's having conversations 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:20.920 with this guy, kissing this guy. I'm not hearing about 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.559 any of this. I'm having a conversation with this girl. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.360 I don't need to tell her about it. But something 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.560 that I did I said in many interviews if things 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.440 progress with Bailey, like I will obviously tell her. You know, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.640 I'm not just gonna like wait until maybe we can 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.640 engage and tell her, or wait until the show's airing 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.320 and tell her, Like I will tell her. I just 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:42.520 feel like, because it was still early stages, it wasn't 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:43.560 necessary at the time. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:44.920 Okay, So that's where. 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.280 So that's also I think where you're going to get 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.680 people even now listening to this have a hard time. 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.160 I believe you, because I don't think you're lying, but 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.079 I do think people will hear them and be like, well, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.360 you had eight days, it seems like your relations ship 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.360 did progress. Yeah, did you still didn't tell her? 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.440 Listen. I'm in a position where if I become like 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.880 even a little bit defensive, people are like, oh, like 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.840 he's a liar. He's just like, yeah, whatever, blaming it 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.679 on stuff like it's a tough line to, you know, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.439 to to walk on. But the truth is, like I 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.680 was having like thoughts of telling Bailey the whole thing 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:30.080 with we saw in episode seven. The only reason I 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.880 actually didn't tell her that night was because, like I 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.520 went to sleep. That was my one night to catch 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.160 up on sleep. You guys know, like you don't sleep 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.760 a lot on the show, And I wish I could 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.160 have told her the day before, but the day before 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.760 was like our our one on one date in the competition. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.080 It's like, if people don't want to believe me, they 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.080 don't have to. But like I genuinely was going to 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.120 tell her. And the reason why I was like pissed 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.920 at Brian was because I feel like that opportunity was 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.120 taken away from me. Sure I technically had a few 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.040 days of opportunity. I just felt like, because it's mine 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.600 and Bailey's relationship, I should be able to tell her, 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.120 like when I feel it's the right time to tell. 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.360 Her, let's take let's take a few steps back, just 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.800 because I want to talk about you. You being in 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:18.280 your room telling opening up to Brian about you still 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:22.080 having feelings for Susie helped me out with I guess 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:27.400 the timeline from that conversation to like when you and 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.679 Bailey got pairedop as a team. 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:35.960 Yeah, I will say first off, like that conversation conversation itself, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.600 I don't remember it all happening. I think Brian might 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.840 even say some of it like the same thing, But 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.240 they were all just like their comments, some of them 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.080 were jokes. You could even like if you go back, 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.680 I say, I'm kidding in them, and I'm also the 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.559 type of person I'll just say whatever. I'm not going to, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.160 you know, filter for the camera, whether I mean it 0:13:58.240 --> 0:13:58.440 or not. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.200 Well, I knew you were joking when you said I 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.160 hate the Goldens because I could tell that one. 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.240 Yeah, I was worry about monologues that are going on. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:05.600 Yeah, that was clearly a joke. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.360 But the whole timeline between, like from the Susie phone 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.560 call through those comments, it took place over three days 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.320 and we were filming for over three and a half weeks. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.280 So I mean, that's like the unfortunate part of all 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.320 of this is that, like there are so many good 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.760 moments and like me and Bailey, our relationship develop a 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.080 lot from like that part out, but there was so 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.800 much focus on three days, which were stretched across three 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.840 episodes that like, of course people are gonna focus on that. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.560 But if you ask me, and honestly, if you probably 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.320 ask a lot of the cast members, that wasn't like 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:39.480 a big part of Paradise. 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.960 It seems like you and Bailey had this like we're 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:46.120 both exploring. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.880 You know, you explored with Susie. She explored with. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.880 Andrew, and this kind of like don't ask don't tell 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.400 policy at the beginning of your relationship where it's like, Hey, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.000 I don't want to hear about your date. You don't 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:58.840 want to hear about my day. We're doing other stuff. 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:00.800 We both know it, but like we're not going to 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:01.520 talk about it. 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:06.440 Yeah, what's the thought process going on in your mind 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:10.080 of like I'm having these conflicting feelings of like I 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.000 don't know if I'm one hundred percent locked in on Bailey, 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:13.720 but I know she's one hundred percent locked in on me. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.720 Like where do you draw that line? Because it seems 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.240 like you draw where you're like, I'm not going to 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.000 talk about anything related to choos until I feel like 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.840 I absolutely have to. But now as the viewer, it 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.760 does feel like there's like lying byomission happening. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.240 Yeah, and that's unfortunate because I don't I don't think 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.240 of myself as a liar. I get why people could 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.960 see it that way. By watching the show, it was 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.480 essentially like we were both exploring other people. We weren't 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.160 talking about it. If this turns into something real, like 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:44.760 we will have a conversation about it. 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.120 When did it turn into something real? 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.680 Ye? For me? Like the switch for me really happened, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:56.560 like when it became like the competition aspect, we obviously 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.600 were learning a lot about each other anyways, but like 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:00.360 we were so locked in on each other, and it 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.720 really felt like from my part, like feelings were really 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:07.160 starting to develop. And even though kind of the competition 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.800 takes place over like four episodes or so, that was 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.720 like really a main part of the whole experience. So 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:15.920 for me, it was probably around the time of like 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.920 the competition starting and us winning that competition, having that 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.000 amazing date, and really just like the weeks. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:25.040 After that, did you guys have a conversation at all 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.160 about like, Okay, we're are we boyfriend girlfriend? 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.080 Like where what is our relationship status. 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.040 At this point? 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:33.480 Yeah? 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.720 No, in the future weeks, maybe you'll have to tune 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:39.360 in on ABC and Hulu. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:44.680 Yeah, okay, on your date, the date seems great, Like 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:50.160 you're seeing your relationship kind of flourish, is it at 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.440 all in the back of your mind of like, but 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.640 at some point I'm going to have to tell her 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:57.040 this information that's going to really. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:58.880 Hurt her one hundred percent. And there was even a 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.400 point in the data where you could see on TV 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.800 where I'm like telling her I'm like, you kind of 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:05.760 like caught me off guard with the date you were 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.000 going on, Like obviously I'm thinking about that, but like, 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.600 who wants to ruin this like amazing day with that? 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.800 And then literally the next day was when she found 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.000 out in your. 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:15.520 Mind, what would have been like the perfect time to 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.320 tell her if you had the chance to do it 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:18.159 on your terms. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.439 So, like I said, I was thinking about doing it 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.119 that night, I chose to get sleep, and I like, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.560 I can't beat whatever it happens, Like she found out 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.280 a different way, and like we just needed to move 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:29.720 on from that. 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.720 When Jesse came down and basically introed a whole new show, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.280 a competition show, and said, no one else is coming down, 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.919 were you guys like locked off at that point? Or 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.480 would you if people were still coming down? Do you 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.040 think Bailey or yourself would have gone on another day? 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.280 No, neither of us wouldn't would have gone on another date. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.199 Okay, yeah, so you guys were You may not have 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.800 been boyfriend girlfriend, but you were exclusive in paradise terms. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:58.600 Yeah, and I think we both kind of said that 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.640 in interviews. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah. 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:06.280 All right, let's dive into the big episode where Bailey 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.159 finds out. So before we get into it, we do 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:15.480 see that Spencer and Alex both Stadio on separate occasions. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.720 We don't know exactly when it's just like clips. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.640 Back saying like, you have to tell Bailly this information, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.680 like she has to know and everyone here knows except 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.400