Speaker 1: A message to Dan Levintard. I want to be with
Speaker 1: him for a second. Our money better be fucking on time, Dan,
Speaker 1: better be on fucking time.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, unplugged, our weekly look around. What's going on,
Speaker 2: what's going on out there in sports, what's going out
Speaker 2: there in the world. Jack just got back from Oak
Speaker 2: Hill Hall of Fame jersey retirement. Had some of the
Speaker 2: other homies up there. I got Steve Blake, Brandon Jennings,
Speaker 2: Quinn Cook, Jeff McGinnis to name a few. Coach Steve Smith,
Speaker 2: how was it.
Speaker 3: Shout out Kat too as well. Kat was a part
Speaker 3: of that class. He just didn't graduate from ok Hill,
Speaker 3: but he still is in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: It's just honor, man. That's something I wanted, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean. I was glad we was able to
Speaker 3: deal in. I was able to come down there and
Speaker 3: grab some footage and document this whole thing. It was
Speaker 3: special to be back because my first time being back
Speaker 3: since I graduate, so a lot of memories, great times.
Speaker 3: Get the time to see coach and his wife and
Speaker 3: their family, and getting my jersey retired there or something
Speaker 3: I really wanted.
Speaker 4: So now I feel a peace with basketball. I love it.
Speaker 2: Congratulations. What about the white guy that gave you guys
Speaker 2: moonshine and mushroom weed. A little bit about that experience.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the homie chad Man. We're gonna get back. Well,
Speaker 3: we're gonna get back out there and rocket Chad. He's
Speaker 3: he's a fishing guy, trout and big mouth bass. He
Speaker 3: does a fishing guy and he has a big old
Speaker 3: house and a lot of land on top of the
Speaker 3: hill where he wrints his house. I was the Airbnb
Speaker 3: and he does a lot of great things. But we
Speaker 3: met him and had a couple of drinks with him.
Speaker 3: He was a big fan. Been watching OK for a
Speaker 3: while and he said he meet us when we get done,
Speaker 3: you know, come back.
Speaker 4: He has some shrooms for us and some moonshine and
Speaker 4: some weed. So I'm like cool, you know, I like
Speaker 4: the little moonshine from the country. You know.
Speaker 3: His moonshine was nay one, you know, you know, I
Speaker 3: was the smoke of course, the smoke weed.
Speaker 4: I dabbled in the shrooms and the gummy shrooms. But
Speaker 4: it kind of he this was different. Matt.
Speaker 3: When he went out when he was handing, he handed
Speaker 3: us the moonshine bam, and I'm thinking, okay, he's gonna
Speaker 3: do two more. Handed off, He's going to hand off
Speaker 3: the weed. Didn't hand off the shrooms, well, I would, sir.
Speaker 3: He handed off one bag and he had the stems
Speaker 3: of the weed. I mean, if the shrooms grown in
Speaker 3: the weed said you gotta smoke them, no, cirt, no, sir, scared.
Speaker 4: No, I wasn't scared. I wasn't doing it.
Speaker 2: I hit it one time just to see where it
Speaker 2: takes me. I wouldn't smoke ale a whole joint, but
Speaker 2: I hit it one time to see where it takes me.
Speaker 4: I didn't know. I didn't know that you can do
Speaker 4: that or they go together like that.
Speaker 5: I never heard. I never heard of it either.
Speaker 2: It can't be no worse than the uh than the
Speaker 2: butt naked you did that one time?
Speaker 3: Yeah I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, So if so,
Speaker 3: if if if the mushrooms steming weed, I ain't gonna
Speaker 3: have me tripping like the shrom.
Speaker 4: Had me, then I might try.
Speaker 2: Nah, I think you'll be all right, But you said
Speaker 2: you ain't been been the same since he still had
Speaker 2: that little that that nervous twitch. Anyway, you guys can
Speaker 2: check out Jack's journey coming out of all the smoke
Speaker 2: productions YouTube, So it's show some little behind it t
Speaker 2: s of that also, Jack, Urban legend or not rumor
Speaker 2: has it? Urban legend has it that you're the only
Speaker 2: player in Oak Hill history who had on the road
Speaker 2: to room with the coach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, man, I'm the only player. You know.
Speaker 4: That's cool because you know, I wait, Bro, I was
Speaker 4: writing letters home.
Speaker 3: I felt like I was in jail, so I was
Speaker 3: trying to escape any chance I got.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we went on the road, man, Coach Price had
Speaker 3: to make sure he put his bed.
Speaker 4: In front of the door and all that. Bro, I
Speaker 4: was a nuisance.
Speaker 5: Oh that's funny, funny. You missed, we missed. We missed
Speaker 5: you out here in l A at the How was
Speaker 5: your weekend?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 5: Man, we had a great We had a great.
Speaker 2: Hey, I couldn't be there, broreak house. Yeah, we got
Speaker 2: it in the crew was there. We ate good, we
Speaker 2: smoked good. We took some gummies. They weren't intertwined, but
Speaker 2: I had a really good time. No, they wasn't intertwined.
Speaker 2: We wasn't playing with that. We had a good time, man,
Speaker 2: and ended up eating some good dinner. Everyone had good time.
Speaker 2: Johnny was there. We got it in so we had
Speaker 2: a good time. Show Love DJ.
Speaker 4: Quick, DJ Quick.
Speaker 2: DJ Quick. So it was another dude and I forgot
Speaker 2: his name. I feel bad, but DJ Quick came because
Speaker 2: I just wanted Quick to come chill. So he you know,
Speaker 2: he's there, and he starts kind of like, so, m B,
Speaker 2: you think I get on, you think I can DJ,
Speaker 2: I'm like, ship, you want to DJ? I wanted you
Speaker 2: to just come cheers like now, hell no, I want
Speaker 2: to get on the thing. So he gets something. We're
Speaker 2: about to set up, and the motherfucker spills his drink
Speaker 2: on the mixer and fries it.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: So he ended up.
Speaker 2: We ended up trying to get we got something else
Speaker 2: to replace, and he did one live song, uh, and
Speaker 2: then a couple couple of songs.
Speaker 5: And then he was chilling. But that ship, we had
Speaker 5: a good time.
Speaker 4: I'll be there for the big day. I ain't gonna
Speaker 4: miss that one.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah no, that was just to tune up man.
Speaker 2: Big shout out to our brothers, Pat McAfee man who
Speaker 2: obviously came through and blessed us for All Star and Indy.
Speaker 5: You know you've known him for a while.
Speaker 2: I've been a fait him for a while, but his
Speaker 2: audience was heavily involved. He's got a colt following and
Speaker 2: I love it. You know, a lot of they were
Speaker 2: in the comments and he was in the comments and
Speaker 2: just great feedback with our fans. So hey man, shout
Speaker 2: out his fans because hopefully some of them are now
Speaker 2: are fans.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's something nice masters to me and appreciate that.
Speaker 3: What happens on the show, you say, and John himself
Speaker 3: probably one of the best interviews he had, so yeah.
Speaker 5: Well that worked out.
Speaker 2: Moving on, Phil Jackson, the zen Master used to have
Speaker 2: a saying about the forty twenty role, and we're about
Speaker 2: the sixty game mark of the season and to be
Speaker 2: considered a true contender, he felt like you had to
Speaker 2: have forty wins before you had twenty losses. And to
Speaker 2: back that up, the last twenty seven out of thirty
Speaker 2: NBA champions have lived up to that. Only three haven't,
Speaker 2: the Pistons. So the Pistons, the Heat, and the Bucks.
Speaker 2: Right now, currently there's four teams that fit that build, Denver, Boston, OKC,
Speaker 2: and Minnesota. Jack thoughts on the forty twenty and do
Speaker 2: you see any of those four teams winning it, and
Speaker 2: is anyone left off who's not in the forty twenty.
Speaker 3: I mean, the proof's in the put. He got a point.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at those teams. Denver definitely have a
Speaker 3: chance to winning. Boston Show. Okay, see is the best
Speaker 3: team in the West right now, min is the second
Speaker 3: to third. So yeah, I mean, all those teams definitely
Speaker 3: have a great chance. So it makes a lot of
Speaker 3: sense with Bill Jackson talking about if I had to
Speaker 3: throw one more team in that, Matt, for me, I
Speaker 3: think it would be.
Speaker 4: I think it would be the Lakers.
Speaker 5: M dark horse.
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 2: I think when I ain't mad at that, I feel
Speaker 2: like they're built for the playoffs. I feel like they're
Speaker 2: built for the past. I'd probably throw the Clippers in
Speaker 2: that mix. Although they're five and five in their last
Speaker 2: ten they struggled a little bit, but they've been the
Speaker 2: hottest team in basketball since that that hardened trade, and
Speaker 2: then possibly me and Milwaukee in the Eastern Conference that
Speaker 2: they can kind of find their rhythm, get hot, and
Speaker 2: dot can help get them to the Promised Land. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely not mad at that. You know, I picked
Speaker 2: the Clippers don't win it all, but Boston's looking tough.
Speaker 2: And then you can't rule out you got to beat
Speaker 2: the champs to become the champs. So Demmer's right in
Speaker 2: that mix. Will be interesting to see what okay See
Speaker 2: in Minnesota could do. They're both young teams, so to me,
Speaker 2: they still got to prove it. But definitely having great
Speaker 2: season so far. There was an incident jack Jalen Green
Speaker 2: and Bradley Beal and I was getting tagged all weekend.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what the fuck was going on. And
Speaker 2: it was you know, Bradley Beal faked the ball in
Speaker 2: Jalen Green's face, but he actually like hit him a
Speaker 2: little bit with the ball like it was a love tap. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a love tap. But thoughts thoughts of just
Speaker 2: those two going back. You know, obviously Jayden Green the
Speaker 2: young hungry dog, Bradley Bell is a proven killer in
Speaker 2: this league.
Speaker 5: Thoughts about that, and so you get a chance to
Speaker 5: see it.
Speaker 3: It was cute. I mean it was cute. I knew
Speaker 3: what was gonna be no hands thrown, so yeah, it
Speaker 3: was cute.
Speaker 4: It it was.
Speaker 3: It wasn't as intense as your you and Kobe, I know,
Speaker 3: I told him.
Speaker 4: I would have liked that could have cleared the ben.
Speaker 2: If I would have really hit him that sh it
Speaker 2: would have probably broke his nose because I was I
Speaker 2: put that ship hard. But I like the competitiveness. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Jaalen Green. I think he's super talented. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Bradley Bill has been injured, but he's proven what he
Speaker 2: what he means to this game, what he could do.
Speaker 2: But I just liked the back and forth because there's
Speaker 2: there's so much buddy ball out there these days.
Speaker 4: I like him.
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of fight between the guys. Brian
Speaker 2: went Horse, someone who actually liked I used to work
Speaker 2: with over at ESPN. I wasn't a fan of what
Speaker 2: he said, but what he says, if AI were to
Speaker 2: play today, he'd be heavily criticized. He played a lot
Speaker 2: of minutes and chucked up a lot of shots that
Speaker 2: would not fly the day. Crazy statement, But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let you have that one first.
Speaker 3: Well, Brian, I mean, have fun, because the days of
Speaker 3: people looking at you and listening to you talk about sports,
Speaker 3: it really ain't adding up, okay talking about AI be
Speaker 3: heavily criticized while you're just sitting there heavily.
Speaker 4: Look, bro, we're not doing that, okay, Brian.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and again, I like Wendy, I just didn't like
Speaker 5: this comment, you know.
Speaker 3: And the first time he said some off the wall
Speaker 3: lass shit like he got fifteen to twenty rebounds a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean t Mac, Vince, Paul, Pierce, Gilbert,
Speaker 2: all these guys you know, shot low forties back then.
Speaker 5: He was talking about the shooting percentage. I also think
Speaker 5: the defense was a little bit more physical.
Speaker 2: Back then. But I mean, I think if Ai played today,
Speaker 2: he would be probably arguably, you know, up there with
Speaker 2: Lebron is one of the biggest players in the world
Speaker 2: because his ability to cross over on and off the court,
Speaker 2: what he meant, the culture, who he is, what he
Speaker 2: stands on. So definitely didn't agree with that, but hey,
Speaker 2: I guess everyone's entitled to their opinion. Jack Boxing Canelo Benavidez.
Speaker 2: Canelo has turned down a ninety two to eight split,
Speaker 2: which would mean Canelo would got ninety two percent of
Speaker 2: the purse. Benavidez would have only got eight, and Canelo
Speaker 2: denies that is he running jack.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, that's basically how it looks to
Speaker 3: everybody like you gotta you gotta give Canelo's credit. He's
Speaker 3: been fighting for a long time. He's damning fight everybody
Speaker 3: definitely wanted to, you know what I'm saying. So definitely
Speaker 3: one of the great he and he has the right
Speaker 3: to choose who we want to fight and direct his crib,
Speaker 3: to direct his career the way he wants to and
Speaker 3: fight he wants right, and he wants to fight a
Speaker 3: Meskan fighter because he says he wants to respect, respect
Speaker 3: Messican fighters and bring some of that revenue to Mexico.
Speaker 4: And all that, and we all get all that.
Speaker 3: But Bena Videz is probably the biggest Mexican fighter next
Speaker 3: to Canelo, So why wouldn't you fight him? So to
Speaker 3: the fans, Matt to the fans when Bena Videz is,
Speaker 3: We're willing to take five million from five millions your
Speaker 3: fifty five million just to fight you and beat you,
Speaker 3: because he says that he know the money will come after.
Speaker 3: To the fans, yeah, he's running from him. But to
Speaker 3: a person like me, who I love being to Videz,
Speaker 3: I'm good friends with his pops.
Speaker 4: I want to see him fight Canelo. But if Canelo
Speaker 4: don't fight him.
Speaker 3: I don't lose no respect for Canelo because he had
Speaker 3: he has earned the right to call his own shots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not mad at that. He's been in the
Speaker 2: game for a long time. But you know, we all
Speaker 2: always want to see these big these big fights. But
Speaker 2: to turn down a ninety two eight, I don't know
Speaker 2: if there was I mean, what ninety five to five?
Speaker 2: I mean shit, But I mean what else is there?
Speaker 2: Definitely not about the money. I don't think for Canelo either.
Speaker 2: He got so much money. So we'll see if that
Speaker 2: eventually happens. Man, I wanted to send out, you know,
Speaker 2: thoughts and prayers or Ryan Garcia. He just released a
Speaker 2: video as we were coming on air talking about it.
Speaker 2: He's okay, but there's some shit going on where he's
Speaker 2: locked out of his phone, locked out of his IG,
Speaker 2: his bank account, people, his credit cards are frozen. So
Speaker 2: somebody's over here fucking with him. But Jack, I don't
Speaker 2: know if any of this, You know, it's hard to say.
Speaker 2: Is this is this a play to bring attention to
Speaker 2: the fight? Is it is it? Is it funny business?
Speaker 2: Is it is it real?
Speaker 5: Like we don't know.
Speaker 2: Again, we don't want to make any accusations because all
Speaker 2: this is alleged. But uh, you know, what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts when you hear obviously he's supposed to be fighting
Speaker 2: Hainy soon. Thoughts on this situation with Ryan Garcia.
Speaker 3: To me, I've met Ryan, He's a good you know,
Speaker 3: We've got a chance to interview him and spend some
Speaker 3: time when Ryan's a good kid man, and it's going
Speaker 3: to be a superstar and the mega star you know.
Speaker 4: From from from uh to go on for a long time.
Speaker 3: I think Ryan is gonna have two or three more
Speaker 3: fights and become a superstar as far as acting or
Speaker 3: something like that on TV.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's gonna fight for too long.
Speaker 3: But I actually think he's more scared of scared of
Speaker 3: this fight than he was with Tank. But it's simple
Speaker 3: fact that yeah, yeah, you know you're going to You're
Speaker 3: going into a situation with Tank with you the bigger fighter,
Speaker 3: and as you if you know anything about boxing, the
Speaker 3: way he came out, he came out confident. He really
Speaker 3: felt like he was gonna be Tank. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, because he was the bigger fighter. You're not
Speaker 3: the bigger fighter no more. And you and you know,
Speaker 3: what Devin Handy and you know how good Devin Handy
Speaker 3: has gotten. And I think, I honestly think everything that's
Speaker 3: filing down that's happening right now with him is because
Speaker 3: he's worried about this fight. He's I think he's scared
Speaker 3: of Devin Haney. I don't think. I don't think all
Speaker 3: this stuff is coming from outside nothing. Matt, he know,
Speaker 3: he know he didn't sign the contract to fight somebody,
Speaker 3: and he canna get his ass with Ooh.
Speaker 5: I mean the pops has been going at it too.
Speaker 2: I guess uh Garcia's pop says something out of pocket
Speaker 2: of Haines's dad. I guess Haydes's dad was just on
Speaker 2: it is what it is with Cam and Mace. Gotta
Speaker 2: make sure we check that out. But yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a good fight. Man, It's definitely gonna be a
Speaker 2: good fight. I mean, it could be the Floyd Floyd
Speaker 2: Mayweather Jake Paul playbook, you know where you're just stirring up,
Speaker 2: you know, some ship before the fight to get more eyeballs.
Speaker 4: But uh, I agree this should look real ry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan well Man with definitely saying prayers out to him. Man,
Speaker 2: hope see he's able to get through this and and
Speaker 2: and lock back in on on the fight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely rooting for him.
Speaker 2: All right, now, Jack, we want to welcome one of
Speaker 2: our brethren from the Metal Lark Family, former ESPN analyst
Speaker 2: Pablo Tory. Thank you for taking time. Who's the host
Speaker 2: of Pablo Tory finds out? Also I heard I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's it's true or not, but you're a
Speaker 2: cannabis consumer and you enjoy partaking in cannabis at times.
Speaker 1: I have the argument, guys, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I have the argument that I'm ready to make that
Speaker 1: New York is now the most weed friendly state in
Speaker 1: the Union.
Speaker 6: And I lived at experiment every day.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm taking we're gonna have to battle this.
Speaker 2: I'm taking walks down the streets smoking joints and cali
Speaker 2: and they're not saying nothing.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Let me, I'm gonna both. And it's been legal. We've
Speaker 3: been smoking in restaurants since then. So I don't know
Speaker 3: what y'all talk about.
Speaker 5: I don't know in a restaurant actually, but was like.
Speaker 6: An episode of my show that I need, I need
Speaker 6: to litigate for real. Yeah, all I know is that bodega's.
Speaker 1: You know, all I know is that we got bodega's
Speaker 1: here that sell weed and growing up in the city.
Speaker 1: This feels like literally a dream journal entry that I
Speaker 1: had once like one day, one day this would be
Speaker 1: the case and now and now it's real. So until
Speaker 1: until all three of us get arrested for various things
Speaker 1: that we've just said and implied, we can continue the debate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: Hey, Well, recently, uh, you know, you shoot a show
Speaker 2: about four times a week where you go down rabbit
Speaker 2: holes and and and find out interesting things and report.
Speaker 2: I interested think one thing that came to our team's
Speaker 2: attention was a former scorekeeper from the Vancouver Grizzlies who
Speaker 2: admits they were juicing the stats in the nineties. Talk
Speaker 2: to us about that interview, what you took away from
Speaker 2: it and was it really that? Was it the norm
Speaker 2: back then?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just one of the craziest stories I've
Speaker 1: ever worked on. And so I got a shout out
Speaker 1: Tom Haberstrow, who's the correspondent we had on this piece.
Speaker 1: Because Tom did the interviews, did the data analysis, and
Speaker 1: I had the reaction that I think a normal person
Speaker 1: would have, which is I cannot fucking believe that this
Speaker 1: went on like this. And so the story is about
Speaker 1: a guy who posted on a message board back in
Speaker 1: now years and years ago that he was juicing stats.
Speaker 1: Remember that there's a famous game. He worked for the
Speaker 1: Vancouver Grizzlies as a scorekeeper, but he was a Laker fan.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys remember the Nick
Speaker 1: van Exel twenty three assist game from back in the day.
Speaker 1: So van XL had twenty three assists and this guy
Speaker 1: posted on a message board anonymously. His name was Alex
Speaker 1: from then that was his user name. He said, I'm
Speaker 1: the guy responsible Van Xell did not actually have twenty
Speaker 1: three assists. I'm the guy who boosted the stats. I
Speaker 1: invented many of those assists. And so this became a
Speaker 1: story on the internet at that point. And what Tom
Speaker 1: and I did was go and figure out, like who
Speaker 1: Alex from the Navy actually was and what his whole
Speaker 1: deal in reality was. And it turns out that Alex
Speaker 1: from the Navy was a real person. He was a
Speaker 1: real guy. His name was Alex Rucker, we revealed in
Speaker 1: the episode. And if the name Alex Rucker rings any
Speaker 1: sort of a bell. It's because this man went from
Speaker 1: scorekeeper to the actual Navy but then he went on
Speaker 1: to become the executive vice president of basketball operations of
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia seventy six ers under Brian Colangelo. Wow, and
Speaker 1: so that guy is the same guy. I lead our
Speaker 1: discussion with that because we he confesses to what you
Speaker 1: asked about, Matt was how how prevalent was this? He
Speaker 1: says it happened everywhere in the nineties because he was
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old dude who was given the power
Speaker 1: to basically track NBA history. So I'm curious if this
Speaker 1: is surprising to you guys that one guy had this
Speaker 1: kind of a power in the first place.
Speaker 5: I don't, and I think I'll take this first. It
Speaker 5: doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2: You know, you look at the refereeing situation where they
Speaker 2: only try to say it was one person, but you
Speaker 2: know a lot of guys that played in the league
Speaker 2: would would like to say that's some bullshit. And then
Speaker 2: you look at this and it makes sense. I mean,
Speaker 2: that didn't makes sense, but I understand it. I mean,
Speaker 2: it reminds me of when my high school coach used
Speaker 2: to give me five dollars and let me do my
Speaker 2: stats in high school. You know, I'd watched the film
Speaker 2: and I'd had three or four rebounds here, a couple
Speaker 2: of assists here, a block or two here, and it's
Speaker 2: just like I got the five dollars for lunch and
Speaker 2: I was cool. So this is crazy to hear, and
Speaker 2: if it is true, or it is true, I wonder,
Speaker 2: like who benefited the most? You know, obviously I heard
Speaker 2: I saw something. I didn't get see the whole interview,
Speaker 2: but it was obviously you know, this is entertainment and
Speaker 2: they want to start to be stars, and that one
Speaker 2: nine assists or nine rebound looks a lot better if
Speaker 2: it says tim, you know what I mean, especially for
Speaker 2: the particular stars. So I just wonder, as a fan
Speaker 2: of the game in the nineties and someone who went
Speaker 2: in the early two thousands, like who benefited the most
Speaker 2: from those you know, from juicing the stats what they say?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 3: I believe It's there's so much politics in the game
Speaker 3: and so much bullshit in the game.
Speaker 4: I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised there was boos and stats, and was
Speaker 3: surprised they wouldn't giving people stats. Shit, I'm not surprised
Speaker 3: to anything from that. You tell me about the league today,
Speaker 3: because I tell you, as time goes on, you're gonna
Speaker 3: be hearing more and more in bullshit, just like you
Speaker 3: heard about the shit about the league trying to downplay
Speaker 3: the Big Three.
Speaker 4: So you're gonna continue to hear more and more shit.
Speaker 4: Trust me.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, Like I wasn't a guy
Speaker 1: who smelled bullshit where whenever I came around the game, right,
Speaker 1: Like you guys have an internal perspective of cynicism because
Speaker 1: you guys have seen some.
Speaker 6: Things I felt. I just feel naive.
Speaker 1: Because what this guy was saying was he got trained
Speaker 1: to be a scorekeeper. He went to this big training
Speaker 1: that the NBA held, and the examples he was taught
Speaker 1: as to, like what's an assist? Right, so we're really
Speaker 1: talking about here are number statistics that are up for
Speaker 1: human interpretation. So that means assists, that means blocks, that
Speaker 1: means steals, and so let's just talk about those numbers.
Speaker 6: And so with the assists, what he was saying to
Speaker 6: Tom was.
Speaker 1: He was shown a video of John Stockton and it
Speaker 1: was one of those plays where like the assist is
Speaker 1: made quote unquote, but it's like far more time passing
Speaker 1: between the assist that they want the scorekeepers to give
Speaker 1: out and the actual basket. And the explanation told to
Speaker 1: them was, this is John Stockton, this is a star,
Speaker 1: like it's entertainment, Like we need to get our stars
Speaker 1: to be valued and treated as such. And so what
Speaker 1: Matcha said about the round numbers is one hundred percent
Speaker 1: apparently part of the thinking here that John Stockton is
Speaker 1: a guy who's famous for assists. We got to give
Speaker 1: John Stockton to Carl Malone that assist, even though there
Speaker 1: were a couple dribb and a couple more seconds passing
Speaker 1: in between, which is just wild to me.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmmmmm. That's definitely interesting.
Speaker 2: And and you like, like Jack said, to be able
Speaker 2: to pull the sheet down and and kind of see
Speaker 2: the inner workings.
Speaker 5: I think it's all mafia.
Speaker 6: Well okay, well listen, listen.
Speaker 1: I cannot confirm or deny the family the familiar part
Speaker 1: of this, but I'll answer your question about who benefited
Speaker 1: the most, right, and so think about it through this lens.
Speaker 1: So this guy comes to us and he says, okay,
Speaker 1: I did it. I'm a Vancouver Grizzlies stack keeper and
Speaker 1: the So there are two groups of people that I
Speaker 1: think benefited the most. One group was, of course, the
Speaker 1: Vancouver Grizzlies, and so shred Raheem had his stats boosted.
Speaker 1: I mean, all you go down the list and it's well,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's that era. But let me
Speaker 1: let me let me give you the thinking. Right, this
Speaker 1: is an expansion team. The Grizzlies were just founded. And
Speaker 1: so even he said, even when he gave Van Excel
Speaker 1: the twenty three assists and this is the opposing player,
Speaker 1: what he was told by his bosses within the Grizzlies
Speaker 1: was great job. That makes it more likely that we're
Speaker 1: gonna be on Sports Center.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: So the team, the logo, the very basic fact that
Speaker 1: these Grizzlies existed. They just wanted any kind of exposure
Speaker 1: because an expansion team needed to advertise itself. And so
Speaker 1: that's the level of thirst that people had in the
Speaker 1: nineties for just getting any sort of television attention, which
Speaker 1: again I don't know when you guys played in Canada,
Speaker 1: when you were playing the Grizzlies of the Raptors, if
Speaker 1: you noticed anything fishy, But you go to the stats
Speaker 1: and the Raptors another expansion team huge enormous discrepancy between
Speaker 1: home and road splits when it came to the when
Speaker 1: it came to those stats being interpreted, Canada was one
Speaker 1: of the big beneficiaries of the stat inflation of the nineties.
Speaker 6: Just the whole country, the whole country.
Speaker 1: The exchange rate was wh Yeah.
Speaker 2: Another one that you just did something recently. Uh, you
Speaker 2: gave your brutally honest review of athletes and alcohol.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, Jack and I and our team are about
Speaker 2: to drop a mescal soon, so we were kind of
Speaker 2: interesting to hear your your breakdown and your reasons why.
Speaker 2: But you you know, just some of the athletes you
Speaker 2: reviewed were Steph's bourbon, Harden's wine, Lebron's tequila, MJ's tequila.
Speaker 5: Take us into that and what you found.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have questions for you too about this, because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to disclose when I taste test your
Speaker 1: mezcal that I'm compromised by being in am glad.
Speaker 6: Of getting this out of the way.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, the rest of the world is always
Speaker 2: compromised somewhere another our favor.
Speaker 6: We'll we'll go with it for real, for real, for real.
Speaker 1: But it's funny, So Okay, So I'll center on on
Speaker 1: on on Michael Jordan here because I can bridge the
Speaker 1: two episodes that we're describing. So one episode is about
Speaker 1: stat inflation, the other one is about uh Me and
Speaker 1: Katie No and in an alcohol expert named Jason Wilson
Speaker 1: just reviewing, actually are these athlete alcohols any good?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: And I would say that the biggest beneficiary actually of
Speaker 1: both stat inflation and alcohol review inflation is Michael Jeffrey Jordan.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna connect these two dots, right, So, Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: you look at his DePoy defensive player of the Year
Speaker 1: stat from eighty seven eighty eight, enormous, enormous home road
Speaker 1: discrepancy hit one hundred and sixty five steals at home
Speaker 1: eighty four blocks. Okay, away ninety four steals forty seven blocks.
Speaker 1: So just a crazy discrepancy in terms of just Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's defensive stats from the year that he is now
Speaker 1: hailed as like best defensive player of the year. Lebron
Speaker 1: could never because he doesn't have a defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year award. Michael Jordan benefited in our analysis from
Speaker 1: the home cooking So just crazy. How does that make
Speaker 1: you guys feel before I get to then getting to
Speaker 1: his tequila, because that one was a big bob from here.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, like I said, it's dope
Speaker 2: that you guys, you know, were able to bring that
Speaker 2: that that inflation of life. But I just kind of
Speaker 2: always felt like it. You know, I would see stuff
Speaker 2: and obviously looking back now and thinking about this, I
Speaker 2: mean I would see I'm just like, damn, I don't
Speaker 2: recall all those you know, I don't call all that.
Speaker 2: I don't call all these steals. I don't call that.
Speaker 5: You know, he had that many blocks, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 2: And you think about it because no matter what you said,
Speaker 2: a lot, but ninety eight percent of the players look
Speaker 2: at the stat sheet at halftime and after the game,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, So when you sometimes you
Speaker 2: do see some weird shit on there, like oh okay,
Speaker 2: so but like Jack said, I mean, it's still MJ.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the discrepancy, the numbers don't lie, The numbers
Speaker 2: don't lie.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just very conspicuous. And I grew up,
Speaker 1: I should say, I grew up with Jordan Stan you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a child of the nineties, even though i' from
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 6: So I worshiped at as.
Speaker 1: Altar, right, and so I'll take us to the tequila
Speaker 1: now because.
Speaker 6: I thought his shit would I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, of Metal Lark, send your questions and you're
Speaker 2: a mail to him.
Speaker 6: I'm playing, that's right, I mean, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: I'm already at war with various members of the Jordan
Speaker 1: family because of this Larsa Pippen Marcus Jordan episode we did,
Speaker 1: which was not received.
Speaker 6: Warmly by the estate.
Speaker 1: But Yo, this tequila, man, it's like one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten something dollars and it look I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: a professional alcoholic critic.
Speaker 6: It just wasn't good.
Speaker 1: It didn't It didn't taste like what I thought tequila
Speaker 1: would taste like. It felt like it was trying to
Speaker 1: be very smooth. It felt like it was trying to
Speaker 1: be you know what. You can tell something's trying to
Speaker 1: be expensive.
Speaker 6: But it's like.
Speaker 1: Just it just it just feels it feels like synthetic
Speaker 1: in that way doesn't feel I don't know, I want
Speaker 1: to know how you guys said about trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how to make a mescal. That feels like, you guys,
Speaker 1: that's not trash, because I can tell you, at the
Speaker 1: highest level of this alcohol athlete game, there's some ship
Speaker 1: out there that I was stunned.
Speaker 5: By, as far as good or bad, as.
Speaker 6: Far as bad, as far as look, it's just.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who are trying to
Speaker 1: tell UH stories about and again I look, there there's
Speaker 1: a mythology around athletes, which I think is of course
Speaker 1: part of the branding, But then when it's applied to
Speaker 1: the alcohol, it's just hard not to like laugh and
Speaker 1: just be like, but is this any good? And so
Speaker 1: for me, I was just disappointed that all of this
Speaker 1: money did not result in better alcohol.
Speaker 2: Not for so you didn't find any You didn't find
Speaker 2: any that were solid or at least decent.
Speaker 6: You know who's you know, this ship was good? So
Speaker 6: Lebron's wasn't bad.
Speaker 1: Lebron's was pretty good, the Lobos tequila not bad.
Speaker 4: I thought.
Speaker 1: Among wines, CJ. McCollum did a great job. I think
Speaker 1: he was actually the one who's I'm not a huge
Speaker 1: wine guy, but in terms of like the consensus and
Speaker 1: the reviews, I would say that that one deserves the
Speaker 1: highest grade of all the things we tried. But how
Speaker 1: how did you guys approach the idea of a mescal then,
Speaker 1: because all of this stuff is is you know a.
Speaker 3: Lot of people they just want to put somebody name
Speaker 3: on it and trying to make money of it and
Speaker 3: not really worry about how.
Speaker 4: The actual product tasts. It's a big difference.
Speaker 3: You know, some some you can you can come up
Speaker 3: with some stuff and just put a big name on
Speaker 3: it and it might sell. But then you got some
Speaker 3: people that that's our game, that really care about the
Speaker 3: product and that care that you're putting what you putting
Speaker 3: their name on. So it's a big difference. So I
Speaker 3: think we follow in the category we care what we
Speaker 3: put our name on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took us a while not to cut you off,
Speaker 2: Jacket took us a while. We met down, and we
Speaker 2: went down and met with some people in San Diego,
Speaker 2: and actually we're taking a trip out to Mexico, I
Speaker 2: think in April to kind of go see the the
Speaker 2: the origin of you know, where all of our stuff
Speaker 2: came from. But I'm a huge cannabis guy off the rip,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So crossing over into alcohol,
Speaker 2: I'm a social kind of If I do drink, it's
Speaker 2: a social cheers or but you know, nine times out
Speaker 2: of ten, I'm smoking weeds, So our thing was all lead.
Speaker 5: He still leaves smoky.
Speaker 2: Obviously the smoky part came with all the smoke.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, when we started trying now
Speaker 2: just like that, like too much smoke, I wasn't super
Speaker 2: fan of like smoky, smoky smoky, So we took some
Speaker 2: of the smoke out, and you know, we'll have to
Speaker 2: let people decide, you know, what they think. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, everyone has their opinions on it. But I
Speaker 2: feel like our stuff is best because I wasn't a
Speaker 2: huge you know, we we thought tequila, you know, do
Speaker 2: we do dark and they said the specifically, yeah, the
Speaker 2: fastest growing spirit is mescal at the time, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So that's what kind of made us
Speaker 2: jump in and deter from tequila and the other stuff.
Speaker 2: But I feel like ours is and I'm like, again,
Speaker 2: this is coming from someone who's not drinking his life.
Speaker 2: I feel like ours is best when it's mixed like
Speaker 2: with like fresh fresh juice. We have three or four
Speaker 2: different flavors with the juice. Obviously we have the mescal.
Speaker 2: But when it's mixed with like, you know, a little.
Speaker 5: Bit of juice.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's that ship go. So it'll be interestinct,
Speaker 2: you know, Like I said, you have to be biased. Now,
Speaker 2: you have to be biased now when you taste started.
Speaker 2: You can't come on someone else's show like ship.
Speaker 1: The most I was I was processing Matt. I was
Speaker 1: processing you talking about how actually too smoky is a problem,
Speaker 1: which is a jarring thing for me to hear from.
Speaker 3: With the whiskey and ride that's it needs to be smoky,
Speaker 3: but not with tequila.
Speaker 5: Yeah, tequila family.
Speaker 1: And then I was processing Stack's face as he was
Speaker 1: remembering mixing your mezcal with watermelon, and I was like this, man, is.
Speaker 6: That is what sells your product?
Speaker 4: Is right?
Speaker 3: What you don't know is we have shows where we'll
Speaker 3: talk about stuff and I'll just go off into my
Speaker 3: ponder moments. Well, I just get to put myself into
Speaker 3: exactly what we're talking about, not just living it fus second,
Speaker 3: live in it for a second.
Speaker 4: That's what that was.
Speaker 1: How did you guys, Okay, wait, so as a as
Speaker 1: a tag team on this project, how do you deal
Speaker 1: with disagreements of taste? Because I imagine you guys are
Speaker 1: not your ponder moments from you want.
Speaker 3: To work with me, bob blah, because I'm going with
Speaker 3: the flow type of guy. I don't complain about much.
Speaker 3: The only thing I can play about the money being late.
Speaker 3: Everything else that got me. I got a million ideas.
Speaker 3: I'm rocking with him. I don't even have to know
Speaker 3: what it is. I'm behind him. But when that money late,
Speaker 3: you got to see me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I.
Speaker 6: So soll levantard that. By the way, that's real, right, lebtard.
Speaker 6: This fucking money is laid.
Speaker 1: You gotta see stacking in behind him somewhere hiding as me,
Speaker 1: but in front of me is stacked right.
Speaker 2: No, I mean Jack, you know, Jack kind of trusted
Speaker 2: the team, you know, me and a couple of other
Speaker 2: people went out there and tasted and saw where it came.
Speaker 5: From, and then and and and and and.
Speaker 2: Tried different kinds and and actually learned about the orange
Speaker 2: and cinnamon at the same time. Because have you ever
Speaker 2: ever ever you had orange and cinnamon after a shot
Speaker 2: of anything?
Speaker 5: Oh man, no, get with it. Orange and cinnamon all right,
Speaker 5: there it is. Yeah, we got our little labeling right here.
Speaker 5: Check that out, bottle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me see it.
Speaker 6: Anios as that doubles.
Speaker 1: That's it right there, man, there it is so so
Speaker 1: anyway we'll get you. I feel like you got so
Speaker 1: this is this is what I learned. It's what I
Speaker 1: found out in my alcohol reviewing.
Speaker 6: Is at the field? Why it's wide open?
Speaker 1: Man, everyone's trying to do it, but like there isn't
Speaker 1: actually a bunch that's really good, like Steph stuff is okay.
Speaker 6: I guess it's.
Speaker 1: Just I think, really what it is, it's what it's
Speaker 1: lacking for. And you guys have this like coming out
Speaker 1: of your pores now literally I think, Matt just to concept,
Speaker 1: so I think, what's coming out of your pores? Authenticity
Speaker 1: and just like, hey, this is how we use it.
Speaker 1: This is what we're not, this is what we are,
Speaker 1: and enjoy it like we would enjoy it as opposed
Speaker 1: to the mic. Again, I don't know, maybe you guys
Speaker 1: can put a photo of it at some point in
Speaker 1: the edit on this, if there is an edit. But
Speaker 1: like the Michael Jordan Sincoro bottle looks like a trophy
Speaker 1: that you get winning like an All Star game event,
Speaker 1: and it's just.
Speaker 6: Like what is this?
Speaker 1: And so it's promising the greatest tequila you've ever had?
Speaker 6: From the greatest player who's ever lived, and what you
Speaker 6: get is just like it let me down.
Speaker 1: It was like finding out that his stats were inflated.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit like that. To be perfectly honest.
Speaker 2: With you, I think it's a fine line between quality
Speaker 2: and not taking you too serious, because this is not
Speaker 2: any really union.
Speaker 1: I mean, so listen the self seriousness which you guys
Speaker 1: do not have about your shit, about your products, about
Speaker 1: your brand and selves.
Speaker 6: Like that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to I guess, look, enter a business
Speaker 1: that you're not in in the case of alcohol, for
Speaker 1: all these guys, it's not their thing, and so they
Speaker 1: go into it like I'm gonna be the best. I'm
Speaker 1: going to compete in this like it was and it's
Speaker 1: just like that. You know, Michael Jordan has many ANI hosts, right,
Speaker 1: many rings, but not not not in this field, not
Speaker 1: in this middle.
Speaker 5: Can't be good at everything.
Speaker 1: And it's okay, Yeah, absolutely, he's got a lot of
Speaker 1: win he's got a lot of wins. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of blocks that he didn't necessarily earn, but also a
Speaker 1: lot of wins that he did.
Speaker 6: I'm in so much trouble by the.
Speaker 2: Back to how do you how do you guys, you know,
Speaker 2: figure out what story? Because I'm sure you get a
Speaker 2: ton of stories. How do you guys figure out what
Speaker 2: stories to actually, you know, go down the rabbit hole
Speaker 2: on and and and bring my curiosity.
Speaker 1: Man, Like, I'm a curious person. So I didn't play
Speaker 1: sports at any high level in any way. Like, let's
Speaker 1: be real about who I am, what I can and
Speaker 1: cannot do. But what I am is a guy who
Speaker 1: is super curious about the way the world works. And
Speaker 1: so when someone as to me, that's right, if only,
Speaker 1: if only I went.
Speaker 6: To high school with Lebron James.
Speaker 1: I love Brian, by the way, but Brian is a
Speaker 1: biographer who also has other talents as a reporter, and
Speaker 1: he's a great storyteller.
Speaker 6: But I came into this I didn't.
Speaker 1: Have a personal story like that, And so I'm just
Speaker 1: the guy who tells stories and uses journalism to report them.
Speaker 1: And so for me, what I want to do is
Speaker 1: always like Tony Kornheiser taught me this, because I do
Speaker 1: PTI sometimes and you know, the thing I want to
Speaker 1: be is just smart and funny, you know, like make
Speaker 1: people laugh and take yourself too seriously. Like so It's
Speaker 1: just as simple as that. But my whole goal is, like,
Speaker 1: if you listen to an episode, so I'll mention this, this,
Speaker 1: I'll go back to the Jordan well for a second
Speaker 1: year because I referred to this right. So I did
Speaker 1: a story about Marcus Jordan and Larsa Pippen. What do
Speaker 1: you guys know about Marcus Jordan and Larsi Pippen when
Speaker 1: I mentioned their names to you.
Speaker 4: The day? And is Jordan's Dan Pippin's ex wife? Yep?
Speaker 1: And so for me, it was this reality television relationship
Speaker 1: and I wanted to find out, like, what's going on here?
Speaker 6: Is this real? Is this love? What's going on?
Speaker 1: And so I interviewed Marcus and Larsa together and we
Speaker 1: had a conversation that was great, and they sat down
Speaker 1: and we sort of put in the context of their lives.
Speaker 1: And that was an example of this episode where I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is ridiculous. This is like reality
Speaker 1: television show trash on the one hand, but also two
Speaker 1: real people who hadn't been like actually interviewed in this way.
Speaker 6: Like what if I took them seriously? Was the question
Speaker 6: I asked myself. And they were great and the only
Speaker 6: problem was that in the New.
Speaker 1: York Post afterwards there was a headline in which Larca
Speaker 1: Pippen called me miserable. And so outside of that, I'm
Speaker 1: on good terms with these people called Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: in various. I should say I'm in various. You've you've
Speaker 1: aligned yourself with a very dangerous person. It turns out.
Speaker 5: You might have to have bodyguards.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny about Uh? You asked me a
Speaker 1: question that nothing to do my answer. You asked me
Speaker 1: how my two story ideas. It turns out I two
Speaker 1: story ideas in order to one day talk to two
Speaker 1: guys who lead the league actually in beef and try
Speaker 1: to outdo them by mentioning all the people.
Speaker 4: Who your well.
Speaker 2: Man, we appreciate you jumping giving us some of your
Speaker 2: time today. Definitely looking forward to continuing to collab with
Speaker 2: you guys and Dan and the whole meatalw Lark family
Speaker 2: and continuing to drow, you know, grow our side.
Speaker 5: And it's definitely a pleasure to be working with you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I got two things at the very end here.
Speaker 6: Number one is four twenty a week.
Speaker 1: I have ideas. I have ideas for us. Okay, just
Speaker 1: the tease. The second thing is a message to Dan Levittard.
Speaker 1: I want to beef with him for a second. Our
Speaker 1: money better be fucking on time, Dan, you better be
Speaker 1: on fucking time.
Speaker 5: Have that signed by It's coming from you.
Speaker 2: Sign big big five. Hey, that's Jack's guy now too.
Speaker 2: Jacksonan gonna fly out to Miami spending time with them.
Speaker 5: They've been.
Speaker 1: I am the officient of Dan Levantard's wedding. I married
Speaker 1: him in Valerie. I was the priest at that wedding.
Speaker 1: I love Dan, I love Dan, I love his love.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that his money better be fucking
Speaker 1: on top.
Speaker 5: You could love a lot of ship and fuck up.
Speaker 2: The one thing you can fuck up is the money
Speaker 2: to fox all the other good things up. All right,
Speaker 2: follow man, Thank you for your time today, and we'll
Speaker 2: catch up with Well. That's a wrap. Thank you to
Speaker 2: our guest Pablo Jack. Congratulations again on the Oak Hill stuff.
Speaker 2: You can catch this on All the Smoke Productions YouTube
Speaker 2: and the Draft Kings Network. We'll see y'all next week.