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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody, Monday edition of Play and Buck. Much to

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Speaker 2: talk about, much to dive into today. Thanks for being

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Speaker 2: here with us. Lines are open eight hundred to eighty

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Speaker 2: two to eight eight to two, so we can tell

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Speaker 2: you that there's a bunch of news stories here we're

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Speaker 2: going to dive into.

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Speaker 1: Just to sort of set the.

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Speaker 2: Scene, a couple of data points give you sense what's

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Speaker 2: going on in America right now. Fourteen percent of Americans,

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Speaker 2: according to the Financial Times, that is one four fourteen

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Speaker 2: percent of Americans say they're better off financially today than

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Speaker 2: when Biden took office. Of homeowners who have bought a

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Speaker 2: home in the past year, according to USA Today, forty

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Speaker 2: six percent say they are struggling to pay their monthly

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Speaker 2: mortgage because rates are so high. So that's going on

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Speaker 2: right now. In the background of all this, we also

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Speaker 2: have a former President Trump talking about how when he wins,

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Speaker 2: if he wins, when he wins, you can pick in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, he will round up large numbers of

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Speaker 2: undocumented as in illegal alien migrants and will send them

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Speaker 2: back to their countries of origin. So Trump now getting

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Speaker 2: very aggressive, very hawkish on border security as a policy

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Speaker 2: to institute. In twenty twenty five, so migrants arrived at

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Speaker 2: New York City's Floyd Bennett Field, which is a twenty

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Speaker 2: million dollar taxpayer funded facility for migrants in the New

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Speaker 2: York City area, and they said, no, they will not stay.

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss what that tells you about all this. Plus,

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Speaker 2: you had Secret Service agents who are protecting Biden's granddaughter

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Speaker 2: open fire in Georgetown when three people tried to break

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Speaker 2: into a Secret Service suv. I don't believe any suspects

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Speaker 2: in custody, and nobody nobody hit.

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Speaker 3: So it's, by the way, you feel good that the

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Speaker 3: Secret Service opened fire on peace in Georgetown, didn't hit

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Speaker 3: anybody and didn't catch anybody either.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I'm wondering at what distance did they open fire?

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Speaker 2: First of all, opening fire based on trying to get

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Speaker 2: into a vehicle.

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Speaker 1: Was she in the vehicle?

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Speaker 2: I mean that that alone. I was surprised she had

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Speaker 2: Secret Service protection. Honestly, she's the granddaughter of the president.

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Speaker 2: How many people actually know her? I mean, I understand kids.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know grandkids got Secret Service protection. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: wonder I wonder if Hunter Biden's child with the exotic dancer,

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Speaker 2: and therefore the exotic dancer, the four year old in Arkansas,

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Speaker 2: does she have secret service protection? That would be that

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Speaker 2: would be a Biden grandchild. Yes, that would be a

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Speaker 2: that's a true statement. I doubt that they're a secret

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Speaker 2: service protection for that family. Anyway, you have San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: believe it or not. They can actually clean it up

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Speaker 2: if they want to, and they clean it up in

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Speaker 2: time for a visit from the world's biggest communist hij

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Speaker 2: In Ping of China. We shall discuss that, and there's

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Speaker 2: some other interesting stories we'll get to when we can

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Speaker 2: out there, but we want to start in the world

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Speaker 2: of politics.

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Speaker 1: Oh, let me not forget.

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Speaker 2: We have Julie Kelly with us in the second hour

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Speaker 2: about Trump trials and January sixth defendants, and then third

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Speaker 2: hour speaking of candidates. Viveke Ramaswami. Iways have fun because

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Speaker 2: you know Clay we say his name properly. There are

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Speaker 2: a lot of people out there still, including who work

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Speaker 3: And given how often we are called out for mispronunciations,

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Speaker 3: this is a big win to be able to pronounce

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Speaker 3: his name correctly while everyone else fails, so that this

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Speaker 3: will give us a lot more of that validity going

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Speaker 3: forward when we mispronounce things. If nothing else, I feel

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Speaker 3: like we get a high five from Viveke for knowing

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Speaker 3: that it's Viveke rhymes with cake and not the other

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Speaker 3: thing that people say, which is vivek Okay. But let's

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Speaker 3: start with this a surprise, a surprise campaign suspension from

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Speaker 3: over the weekend. One of the five who was five

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Speaker 3: right on the debate stage, Tim Scott of South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear what he has to say about how well

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Speaker 3: it's not his time play too.

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Speaker 4: If you ever want to love your country more, run

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Speaker 4: for president. Traveling this country meeting people has been one

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Speaker 4: of the most fantastic experiences of.

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Speaker 1: My entire life.

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Speaker 4: I love America more today than I did on May

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Speaker 4: twenty second. But when I go back to Iowa, it

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Speaker 4: will not be as a presidential candidate. I am suspending

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Speaker 4: my campaign. I think the voters, who are the most

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Speaker 4: remarkable people on the planet have been really clear that

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Speaker 4: saying Trey no, but I do think they're saying not now.

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Speaker 4: And so I'm going to respect the voters, and I'm

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Speaker 4: going to hold on and keep working really hard and

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Speaker 4: look forward to another opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Clay a respectable and honorable decision based on what the

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Speaker 2: polls are right now.

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Speaker 1: I think he is listening to the people. What now

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Speaker 1: is Tim.

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Speaker 2: Scott's still a VP candidate? And what about the others

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Speaker 2: who are lagging in the polls. I think one hundred

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Speaker 2: had Tim Scott on this show several times. Trump was

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Speaker 2: very favorably disposed towards him. On Wednesday, if I remember correctly,

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Speaker 2: during our interview, he specifically mentioned Tim Scott.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the right call.

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Speaker 3: I give him credit the same way that I give

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Speaker 3: Mike Penn's credit for looking at the data, making a

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Speaker 3: rational choice, recognizing that the numbers don't add up for you.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the question.

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Speaker 3: As we get ready for the fourth Republican debate in Tuscolosa,

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Speaker 3: the Veke Ramaswami, Nicki Haley, and Ron De Santis, and

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Speaker 3: let's open up phone lines on this because some of

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Speaker 3: Don't come in a strong second place in Iowa, that's

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Speaker 3: But Trump is a substantial favorite. As we sit here,

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Speaker 3: basically two months out from the Iowa caucus, I think

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Speaker 3: whoever comes in second should be the challenger of Trump

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Speaker 3: going forward, and everyone else should drop out. And look,

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Speaker 3: we've had Doug Bergham on the show. Asa Hutchinson, I

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Speaker 2: Hayley versus Ron DeSantis for who is going to become

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Speaker 2: the alternative to Trump? And the big question, irrespective of

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Speaker 2: the juice to beat Trump head to head? We've said

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Speaker 2: that about fifty percent of our audience is Trump fifty percent?

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Speaker 2: Is somebody other than Trump nationwide? As all of these

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Speaker 2: The math question and it's basically a math question. Is

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Speaker 2: beat Trump head to head? That's the question. Nikki Haley

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Speaker 2: probably win, it's so it's all over, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, based on the perception and every.

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Speaker 3: Think, I think you have to come in second. If

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Speaker 1: Again, this is presuming you don't win.

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Speaker 3: If you don't come in at least second in Iowa,

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Speaker 2: Well, this is why I think Haley is trying to

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Speaker 2: the narrative becomes there's only really one competitor to him

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Speaker 2: Here's Nikki Haley. She's saying that she is surging in

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Speaker 2: This is cut three.

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Speaker 5: We are surging in the polls. Not only are we

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Speaker 5: it shows that we beat Biden by ten to thirteen points.

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Speaker 5: We are now second place in Iowa's, second place in

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Speaker 5: and you're going to see that we're going to be strong,

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Speaker 5: not just in Iowa. We're going to be strong in Iowa,

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Speaker 5: We're going to be strong in New Hampshire. We're going

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Speaker 5: to be strong in South Carolina. Because we spent our

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Speaker 5: got Trump that's flatlined, you've got DeSantis that's falling in

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Speaker 2: Now, Clay, we're going to have Viveca later. I want

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Speaker 2: to have the Veke take on this Nicky Haley analysis.

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Speaker 2: But clearly she's trying to steal Governor DeSantis's lunch here

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then ultimately the question is whether it's Nicky

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Speaker 3: I think that with his performance in the debate, he

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Speaker 2: I just want to ask him about Nicky Haley. I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Iowa And again, if you disagree with this,

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Speaker 1: I think Iowa should make.

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Speaker 3: It a determination on who is going to go head

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Speaker 3: to head with Trump, and everybody else should get out

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Speaker 3: of the race. And then the question becomes, can Nicky

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Speaker 3: could they beat Trump head to head? And again, the

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Speaker 3: math on that we talked about us a lot on

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Speaker 3: Friday because I think it's important, and Thursday we discussed

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Speaker 3: it as well. The math on this is a challenge

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Speaker 3: for any of the contenders because the let's talk about

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Speaker 3: Tim Scott. For instance, what did you say Tim Scott

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Speaker 3: had in Iowa nine percent in the most recent real

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Speaker 1: I think it was single digits.

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Speaker 3: say he's got seven or eight or nine percent in Iowa.

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Speaker 3: When he decides to step down, where did Tim Scott's

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Speaker 3: votes go? Like, how would you assess? This would be

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Speaker 3: a good question.

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Speaker 2: For Tim Scott's I actually don't have a I don't

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Speaker 2: would be. I think there are some Tim Scott voters

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Speaker 2: and some go Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 3: there are eighteen thousand people that have voted so far

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Speaker 2: Will also put one up at Clayandbuck dot com. Given that,

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I think it's more like sixty forty.

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Speaker 3: you can say anything other than those indictments all offered tremendous,

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Speaker 3: substantial increases in support for Donald Trump. So if there's

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Speaker 3: no indictments, like, what does this race look like?

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Speaker 2: And then you get into the two variables that are

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Speaker 2: not really taking into account, right Now, Now, for all

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Speaker 2: the stuff we're seeing with Trump, one of them is

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Speaker 2: what happens when the full fledged appo campaign. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there was a Washington Post piece I think it was

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Speaker 2: over the weekend Trump used the term vermin in some context.

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Speaker 2: And now they're saying Trump like Hitler and Mussolini. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're they're already going Trump is Hitler slash Pussolini.

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Speaker 1: I just doesn't think it works.

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Speaker 3: I mean, to me, and and and they're going to

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Speaker 3: run that playbook, but to me, that's the boy who

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Speaker 3: cried wolf Buck that run out right. They haven't really

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Speaker 3: done it yet, so that may affect things in the

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Speaker 3: general electorate. And then more specifically, more specifically, you have

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Speaker 3: the possibility of a conviction, which may we saw.

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Speaker 1: There was that poll. You and I agree on this.

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Speaker 2: I I find that poll hard to believe because it

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Speaker 2: goes from Trump crushes Biden in every swing state to

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Speaker 2: Trump gets crushed in every swing state, which just flips

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Speaker 2: the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Dana Bash, I say it right, Dana.

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Speaker 3: I think her name is Dana, but Donna Danaana. Maybe

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Speaker 3: that's a super fancy way to pronounce Dana. So Donna

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Speaker 3: Dana Dana Bash yeah.

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 2: Dana Bash to the RNC chair woman Roni McDaniel, what

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Speaker 2: if Trump is convicted in one of these trials, this

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Speaker 2: has cut five play.

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Speaker 6: If you end up having Donald Trump as your nominee

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Speaker 6: and if he is convicted of a crime, do you

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Speaker 6: believe that he would be the appropriate nominee for the

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Speaker 6: Republican Party? Whoever the voters choose, is the appropriate.

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Speaker 1: And even if he's a convicted criminal.

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Speaker 6: I know this is newsworthy, but as party chair, I'm

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Speaker 6: going to support to the voters choose, and yes, if

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Speaker 6: they choose Donald Trump. The voters are looking at this

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Speaker 6: and they think there's a choose tier system of justice.

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Speaker 6: They don't believe a lot of the things that are

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Speaker 6: coming out in this and they're making these decisions and

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Speaker 6: you're seeing that reflected in the polls.

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Speaker 2: Claire, I think this is this is the in a sense,

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Speaker 2: this could be the whole contest right here. What is

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Speaker 2: there if there is a conviction, which isn't If we

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Speaker 2: don't know if they're even gonna be able to get

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Speaker 2: through any of the trials, although New York there probably

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Speaker 2: going to get through, right it doesn't seem like there's

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Speaker 2: a delay for that, although I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think people care about that. I actually think

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Speaker 3: the biggest news of the trials of the weekend. We'll

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Speaker 3: talk to Julie Kelly about this. Did you see Trump

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Speaker 3: is officially requesting their b cameras in the court room

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Speaker 3: and Jack Smith and the Biden Department of Justice doesn't

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Speaker 3: want them, which tells me that they're a little bit

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Speaker 3: nervous about the trial. Because if you thought you were

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Speaker 3: really going to decap someone, wouldn't you want everybody to

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Speaker 3: be able to see it?

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Speaker 1: Well, of course.

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Speaker 2: Well what they want though is, and this is why

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Speaker 2: I was bring up the New York trial, they just

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Speaker 2: want a conviction because they want to you know, they've

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Speaker 2: been hitting him with for years now. You know, Trump

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Speaker 2: is a fascist, Trump is the end of democracy. What

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Speaker 2: they really want is Trump is a convicted felon which felony,

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Speaker 2: which absurd trial. I don't think they really care. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think they believe that as a as a function

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Speaker 2: of branding going into the general election, if that becomes

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Speaker 2: a reality, as unfair.

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Speaker 1: As it would be, you know, we can, of.

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Speaker 2: Course we talk about this a lot. Does that then

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Speaker 2: mean that you'll have a chunk in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the voting, you know of the electorate that will leave

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Speaker 2: him that. I find that hard to believe, especially if

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Speaker 2: it's I mean, if it's the New York Alvin Bragg trial.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that will happen the DC trial with

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Speaker 2: Judge Chuckkin providing.

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Speaker 1: I think people see that for what it is. And

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Speaker 1: as you put it.

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Speaker 2: Out, he wants not only does he want cameras in

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Speaker 2: the clay. I think he'll take the stand.

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Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: I'll take the stand, and I just I would just reiterate,

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Speaker 3: if you really thought you had a strong case, wouldn't

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Speaker 3: you want as many people as possible to watch it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I've ever seen a situation where

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Speaker 3: again Trump and his legal team are saying, we want

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Speaker 3: cameras in the courtroom, we want everybody to be able

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Speaker 3: to watch, and Jack Smith is saying, we don't want

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Speaker 3: cameras in the courtroom. That to me is really fascinating,

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Speaker 3: and it suggests that the Biden Department of Justice is

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Speaker 3: starting to get nervous about the political impact and that Trump.

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Speaker 3: You remember the Braer rabbit analogy I used back in

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Speaker 3: the day. People out there remember Braer rabbit. He's like,

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Speaker 3: don't throw me in the briar patch. Don't throw me

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Speaker 3: in the briar patch. They throw him right in the

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Speaker 3: briar patch. He convinces people to put him where he

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Speaker 3: would most like to be. I feel like Trump has

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Speaker 3: dared the Biden Department of Justice to bring charges against him,

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Speaker 3: and it's all redounding to his benefit.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't buy in.

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Speaker 7: Buck.

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Speaker 2: Look at what happened with the Egen Carroll case. He

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Speaker 2: got branded as a a guilty of sexual assault for

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Speaker 2: millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Nobody cared. Nobody cared at all.

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Speaker 3: I mean that case is still pending and Trump may

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Speaker 3: end up paying a few million dollars. But their argument was, oh,

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Speaker 3: this is going to be big because now we'll label

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Speaker 3: him as guilty of sexual assault. Most people said, you

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Speaker 3: know what this is all bs, this is trumped up politics.

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Speaker 3: I feel like everybody's going to ultimately who is persuadable

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Speaker 3: either totally dis you did not care at all about

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Speaker 3: this out come, or it's going to actually motivate them more,

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Speaker 3: which is what I think. The Biden people are now

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Speaker 3: starting to look at your playing with fire when anytime

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Speaker 3: you engage in unprecedented behavior, and this is working in

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Speaker 3: Trump's favor.

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Speaker 2: I think I was at a charity event of for

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Speaker 2: the weekend with Carrie and we saw a number of friends,

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Speaker 2: you know, fellow conservatives in the Miami area there and

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Speaker 2: one of the things we were talking about, and I

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Speaker 2: think they this really hit home for some of them.

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Speaker 1: And they're involved in politics in different ways.

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Speaker 2: They're private sector people, but you know they're supporting with

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Speaker 2: checks and other things, some of the candidates that we

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Speaker 2: Don't assume that your opponent is making smart moves or

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Speaker 2: also overestimating your opponent. The Democrats made enormous errors in

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Speaker 2: they really believed that Donald Trump, the more exposure he

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Speaker 2: which in retrospect now is an amazing blunder. I can't

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Speaker 2: say right now, no one can say right now, but

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Speaker 2: they may have made it another amazing blunder with let's

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Speaker 1: Well, actually, maybe not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that And I also think buck electability has become

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Speaker 3: Let's take some of your calls. I think several of

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Speaker 3: you want to weigh in with a variety of different topics.

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Speaker 3: I was asking the question, who would be your second

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Speaker 3: choice if you are, let's say, a Ron DeSantis or

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Speaker 3: Nikky Haley supporter?

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Speaker 1: Right now?

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Speaker 3: Uh, Laura in Trinity, Florida, you're a DeSantis supporter.

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Speaker 8: I am a Standers supporter, and I hate to say that.

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Speaker 8: I think you guys are wrong that the Santa supporters

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Speaker 8: will automatically go to Trump simply because he has needed

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Speaker 8: his career, so to speak, to alienate himself from the answers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let's let's just use you specifically. I understand

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Speaker 3: it's been somewhat of a toxic battle and there are

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Speaker 3: lots of people who like both Trump and DeSantis. But

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Speaker 3: let's pretend that DeSantis stepped out, because really we're working

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Speaker 3: the exercise in our head of could someone beat Trump

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Speaker 3: head to head? Who would be your second choice if

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Speaker 3: Ron DeSantis was not there for you to vote for? Okay,

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Speaker 3: so you would go Nicky Haley?

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Speaker 1: Interesting? Thank you for the call.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, I mean to be fair, we didn't say everybody

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Speaker 2: who voted for you, DeSantis, but a majority of people

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Speaker 2: who are Justsanti supporters, I think we'll switch over and

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Speaker 2: vote for Trump if Trump is the nominee, or would

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Speaker 2: do so given the choice in the primary. And I'm

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Speaker 2: my thesis on that is that Nikky Haley supporters mostly

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Speaker 2: would all go to someone other than Trump. I tend

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Speaker 2: to think that DeSantis supporters would go towards Trump.

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Speaker 1: Again, could be.

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Speaker 3: Wrong, and that doesn't answer on an individual level, because

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Speaker 3: you know you're not going to get one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: of people doing any thing.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard to do this analysis as well, because

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Speaker 2: there are variables that can't really be accounted for right now.

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Speaker 2: Never mind that the world will be a different place

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Speaker 2: in eleven months, but a lot of things will happen.

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Speaker 2: But the third party and really now Clay third, fourth,

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Speaker 2: maybe fifth party candidates. When you look at it and

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Speaker 2: see what's happening here, Jill Stein running again, Now will

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Speaker 2: she have the money to get on the ballots and

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Speaker 2: all these other things. That's a whole other set of questions.

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Speaker 2: But Green Party candidate going to be in the mix,

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Speaker 2: The Green Party candidate who helped Trump win in twenty

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Speaker 2: sixteen by the numbers, RFK Junior in the mix no

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Speaker 2: labels with mansion and perhaps Larry Hogan in the.

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Speaker 1: Mix that changes things.

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Speaker 3: Daniel in North Carolina, which got for us.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Trump is not my first pick, it's Ramaswami. But

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Speaker 7: I think you're possibly substantially underestimating demographic of Republican voting people,

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Speaker 7: not necessarily Republicans. They're just sick entire seeing Donald Trump

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Speaker 7: and hear in his voice. I'll be voting if it

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Speaker 7: Trump is a candidate, I will be voting for Kennedy.

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Speaker 7: Kennedy's got a stronger stance on the constitution that does so.

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Speaker 3: You would vote RFK Junior in North Carolina, which is

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Speaker 3: one of the you know, seven or eight battleground states

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Speaker 3: if you broadly look at it.

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Speaker 1: Did you vote for Trump in sixteen and in twenty.

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Speaker 7: Ideas mooth times because he was the only choice.

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Speaker 3: In your choice in the North Carolina primary right now

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Speaker 3: would be the vague you said. And you're saying that

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Speaker 3: you would vote RFK Junior over Trump in.

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Speaker 1: The twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 7: Interesting, I think you're underest making the people that just

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Speaker 7: will not show up and vote as Trump's a candidate.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, thank you for the call. I think Buckin

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Speaker 3: We've talked about this quite a lot. If Trump is

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Speaker 3: the candidate, and the data would reflect in the odds,

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Speaker 3: markets and everything out there, the polls would reflect that

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Speaker 3: he is most likely to be the candidate right now.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any doubt that Trump brings out

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Speaker 3: unlikely voters on both sides. I think if he weren't

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Speaker 3: on the ballot, turnout overall would be down substantially. One

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Speaker 3: of the big challenges throughout the Trump phenomenon has been

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Speaker 3: he certainly motivates lots of non traditional Republican voters. There

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Speaker 3: are lots of you out there listening who voted for

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Speaker 3: Trump in sixteen and twenty and may not have voted

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Speaker 3: for Republican candidates in the past. How many of those

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Speaker 3: people would not show up because he certainly motivates a

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Speaker 3: lot of people on the Democrat side to show up

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Speaker 3: and vote against him, not for their candidate.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Calls from people that have interesting, interesting preferences here on

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Speaker 2: the Republican side. Joe and Coco Beach, Flora, what have

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Speaker 2: you got for us?

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Speaker 1: Six or one?

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Speaker 7: Hello?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, voted Trump twice, right.

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Speaker 9: Vote for Trump twice? Really do not want to vote

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Speaker 9: for the guy again. I think he's a disaster in

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Speaker 9: twenty four. I just wish he would go away. He's

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Speaker 9: just not the answer for the country. So I'm a

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Speaker 9: the Santis guy, but I really like what Haley's got

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Speaker 9: to offer. If the Santis drops, I'm definitely going to Haley.

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Speaker 9: I wish the two would come together, quite frankly, and

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Speaker 9: you know, make a pact and see how that stacks

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Speaker 9: up against Trump.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Joe, you for who would you by the way, Joe,

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Speaker 3: who would you vote for if it ended up being

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Speaker 3: Trump versus Biden?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 9: I would never ever vote for Biden.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is okay. So look, this is what

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing, Joe, Thank you for calling in. We're still

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Speaker 2: in that people can have their pick among the all

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Speaker 2: the candidates in the primary. That's the system that we got,

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Speaker 2: and that's everyone's right. I think that a lot of

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Speaker 2: folks when when push comes to shove right now, it's oh,

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Speaker 2: I could never hold my nose and vote for this Republican.

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Speaker 2: Trump is the one that they're talking about right now.

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Speaker 2: But if it's that Republican versus Joe Biden. I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are gonna say fine, that's my sense,

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Speaker 2: who right now say they would not? In my opinion

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Speaker 2: as well. Also, remember this is going to be decided

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Speaker 2: by March. Maybe by March fourth or fifth. We'll know

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Speaker 2: who the nominee is going to be, certainly by mid March,

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Speaker 2: and then you've got all of April, all of May,

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Speaker 2: all of June, all of July, all of August, all

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Speaker 2: of September, all of October. That's seven full months fuck

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Speaker 2: for someone to convince you that they are the right choice,

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Speaker 2: and seven more months of Biden aging. I think almost

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Speaker 2: everybody will end up coming back around to vote for

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Speaker 2: the Republican candidate. Now, there will still be a lot

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Speaker 2: of protesters, right protest votes. R f K Junior is

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Speaker 2: going to get them, as you mentioned, maybe Jill Stein

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Speaker 2: gets some whoever the libertarian's going to be, and if

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Speaker 2: no Labels throw somebody out. I mean, you may have

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Speaker 2: six or seven options on your ballots for president, which

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Speaker 2: means it'd be hard for anybody to get a majority.

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Speaker 2: But right now Trump's sitting pretty