1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. All Right, Clay and Buck keeps going here. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: Second hour Debate Night last night, plus Trump spoke in 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: Michigan about cars, about a whole lot of things, The 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: Trump Show in full effect. Plus there was that Bill 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: O'Reilly Tucker sit down on x formerly known as Twitter. 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: I feel like. 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: Eventually it'll have to switch its name back, but we'll 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 2: see if Elon decides to do that interesting discussion there 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: as well. People are kind of using Debate Night for 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: the for the Republicans as a chance to do other programming, 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: counter programming, or perhaps get because a lot of attention 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: on politics, it's a good time to put your stuff 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: out there. 15 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: So that has been underway, and we had mentioned this before. 16 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: Look, I think Clay, there's going to be a shift 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: here whereby Ron DeSantis is likely to start pounding the 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: drum saying Trump. 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Needs to face me. 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: If he did such a great job, if he kept 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: all his promises, if he kept faith with America first, 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: with his movement with his base, et cetera, he needs 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: to face me. 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: He got a little bit of. 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: A sense of that last night on stage and you're 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: seeing this chatter online, right, people are tweeting about this, 27 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: writing about this. Now will Trump decide to go in? 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: Oh? And we're about to play the Fox News hit here. 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: The thing about Trump you always have to remember is 30 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: he has a he has a superhuman endurance when it 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: comes to his his sort of ego and mindset, Like 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: you can't phase the guy. All these indictments and everything, 33 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: he still seems like he's having fun out there. 34 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: And you know he's. 35 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: He's still Trump. But he also will get into it 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: with anybody. You know, you remember this, He'll remember when 37 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: he was tweeting about Mica back in the day and 38 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: he was, you know, saying some stuff and you know, 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: he coppreciated it. 40 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean Howard Stern. Now, it's not like it's ended 41 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: like he I mean, he's right. You know, you and 42 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: I were texting about his criticisms of Howard Stern, which 43 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: echo a lot of what we said on this program. 44 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: But I don't think most presidents would be feuding with 45 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: you know, shock jock radio guys. Right, That's like, that's 46 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: exactly right. 47 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's and that's kind of what what I'm 48 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: saying here, is that one part of Trump. 49 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: You have to keep in mind is. 50 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: If you if you, you know, you poke the bear 51 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: and you get the claus like he doesn't. He doesn't 52 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: necessarily say I'm too big for this, or you know, 53 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: he likes to get into it. So if Desanti starts 54 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: poking the bear, so to speak, maybe he will get 55 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: He's already trashing DeSantis on truth social all the time. 56 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: He's been doing that all year. That's not a surprise. 57 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: But maybe maybe. 58 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: He could get goaded into a debate of some kind 59 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: just because the ratings would be absolutely through the roof. 60 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: I think it would be far more interesting than what 61 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: we saw last night. Now, Trump his advisors are going 62 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 2: to say, don't do it. That's crazy. You're so far ahead, 63 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: why would you. 64 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: So maybe he won't, But here's let's just play it. 65 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: Here's Ron DeSantis on Fox News having some words to 66 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 2: say about Trump. 67 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: Play it. 68 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: He owes it to the voters to defend his record, 69 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: to defend the decisions he's made. He owes it to 70 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: the voters to come out and do it. 71 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: And I'd say the final thing. 72 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: He's had a lot to say about me on social 73 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: media really since twenty twenty two, right before the midterm election. 74 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: He started attacking me when I was we all Republicans 75 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 3: were supposed to be united for a red wave. No, 76 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: he tried to attack me and has been doing it 77 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: a lot. You know, It's one thing to do it 78 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: behind a keyboard, step up on stage and do it 79 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 3: to my face. I'm ready for it. You used to 80 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: say I was a great governor. Now all of a 81 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: sudden you're saying the opposite. Let's have that discussion and 82 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: I'll do it. We could do it one on one. 83 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: I was with Sean last night. Let's do that, and 84 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: let's let's give the American people the choice that they deserve. 85 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: This is the way for DeSantis going forward. He's gonna 86 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: because he's just been getting pounded and hammered with globalists 87 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: and all these different things that Trump says, and whether 88 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: you believe them or not, that's irrelevant to my analysis here. 89 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: My analysis is merely Trump defined DeSantis early and. 90 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: Got a huge lead out of it. 91 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: It's not changing. If he wants to change things up, 92 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: Clay a one on one fight on stage from a 93 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 2: pure spectacle perspective or from just what's the best thing 94 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: that the party could see right now, it would be 95 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: kind of a young versus old, older dynamic. It would 96 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: be different generations of the party. It would be the 97 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: only person who I felt like on that stage was 98 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: really running against Donald Trump getting a chance to make 99 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: his case. 100 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: What do you think? I think this is DeSantis's path. 101 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: I think he if I were advising. So this is 102 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: always one of those fun things where it's like you're 103 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: a coach, right, Everybody's got a different game plan. I 104 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: think the only candidates that I have seen that have 105 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: a game plan and that could attack Trump and win 106 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: and win and it may still be a long shot 107 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: are Ron DeSantis and Nicky Haley. Everybody else has no 108 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: chance on that stage. So if I'm in charge of 109 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: the RNC, I want Mike Pence. I want Doug Bergham, 110 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: I want Chris Christy, I want Tim Scott. I want 111 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: him out of the race unless you're trying to protect Trump. 112 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: If you're trying to protect Trump, you want everybody to 113 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: stay in the race, because that dilutes the ability of 114 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: any one contender to continue to fight. If I'm DeSantis, 115 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: i am going to go out now and I'm going 116 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 1: to focus my entire campaign on attacking Trump. At this point, 117 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any other way that he could 118 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: potentially win. And I think he attacks Trump as being 119 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: a coward and being disrespectful for not being willing to 120 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: compete on that stage for all of the for the 121 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: Republican voter in the primary. 122 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: And the bear so to speak, once has once it 123 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: has been poked here, you know, Trump on a debate 124 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 2: stage is a handful. Yeah, we talked about how how 125 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: DeSantis would go at Trump perhaps on that Trump is 126 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: going to say, you wouldn't even be government without me. 127 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 2: We've already heard with Trump, Yeah, a lot of it, 128 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 2: but you wouldn't be governed without me. I mean, these 129 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: guys are really good, are really gonna throw down. But 130 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: I think there's something here between the two of them 131 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: now where it actually has gotten personal. 132 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. 133 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: I think I think this is no longer for them 134 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: just a question of you know, making my pitch, You 135 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: make your pitch, we'll see what happens. I think it 136 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: has gotten personal. I think there's something that has shifted here, 137 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: and I think people would be Look, what do you 138 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: guys think? I mean, would you want would you want 139 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: to see this? If you're I think if you're a 140 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 2: Trump voter, you should want to see it just as 141 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: much as is you're a DeSantis voter. This is the 142 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: best if you want an exchange of ideas right now 143 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: on stage. The only one that would be really interesting, 144 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 2: the only one that I think would be really hard hitting, 145 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 2: would be between those two. I mean, we all said, like, 146 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: Viveke is really smart. It'd be Trump being like I'm 147 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: amazing in Avic like he is amazing, he is the 148 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: most amazing. 149 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: Like that's not gonna be interesting. Well, the Veg's argument 150 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: for Trump would be you're super amazing, but I think 151 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: I can be super amazing er right, like you give 152 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: me a little bit of your amazingness as an advisor. 153 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: The vec argument, and it's a tough one, is you 154 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: were the best president of the twenty first century. I 155 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: actually like Viveke might be the only person on the 156 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: stage who has more self confidence than Trump. And I 157 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: don't say that in a negative way because I think 158 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: self confidence is really important. But think about the needle 159 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: that Theveke is threading in that respect, Buck because he 160 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: came on the show and I like the Vike two. 161 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: But the Veg's argument is you were the best it's 162 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: like you were Let's say, like, who was you are? 163 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,559 Speaker 1: Who is this episode? I'm Tom Brady. Didn't that happen? Yeah, bled, 164 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: so tom Brady is. But that's like saying your pay 165 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: you know. It's it's like Levek is saying, you're Peyton Manning, 166 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm Tom Brady. We're both the two best that have 167 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: ever played the quarterback position. You were really really good 168 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, But I am Tom Brady. I can win 169 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: seven super Bowls to your two. It's like, again, it's 170 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: a very it's a very tough po analogy here, though. 171 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: It's like, but Peyton's got more seasons in him, So 172 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: what are you doing? 173 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, well, yeah, yeah, but 174 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: the so your point is right, Like Vivek would just 175 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: be you're awesome, I'm awesomer. That would be a I 176 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: would actually be a really funny debate in that respect. 177 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: But I actually think it's a DeSantis and Nikki Hayley. 178 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: I think we should Those are the two that feel 179 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: like they have a chance. Do you think she would 180 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: go at Trump on a stage based thought you die? 181 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: I do not. Based on the way she went after 182 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: everybody on the stage last. 183 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: Night, no, she'll go after everybody else. She wants to 184 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: be secretary of State in a Trump administration. 185 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: Okay, youth or VP or VP. Yeah, So if that's true, 186 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: then she should drop out, right. I think based on 187 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: the way what she did last night, buck you to 188 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: me do that to Trump? First of all, that would 189 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: be amazing television. Can you imagine? I think, I mean, 190 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: I think she wants to be president and at some 191 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: here's the truth. At some point, if you want to 192 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: be president, you gotta be nasty. That's just the truth. 193 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: You can't be super nice, happy, go lucky. Uh you know, 194 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, leave it to beaver Andy Griffith, old school television, 195 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: Oh howdy duty, like super nice. At some point, you 196 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: got to you got to prove you're a killer. At 197 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: some point, you gotta walk and this is metaphorical, metaphorical. 198 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: At some point you got to be in the prison 199 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: yard and you got to walk up and you gotta 200 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: you gotta shank somebody right like you're in line for 201 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: the corn bread. Everybody's kind of looking around. Nikki Haley 202 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: was walking around with the shade last night like you 203 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: didn't know where, Like you're turning around, like next thing 204 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, She's like, she went after DeSantis, she went 205 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: after Tim Scott, she went after the Veik. I mean 206 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: she was like, remember the great do you remember the 207 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: great Wayne Brady skit that he did in Chappelle where 208 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: like Wayne Brady is like, for people out there who 209 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: don't know, Wayne Brady is like the super nicest comedian 210 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: on the planet, Like that is his vibe. And they 211 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: did a funny skit where Wayne Brady comes on and 212 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: he basically like goes Dinzel training day, right where you 213 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: you were playing counter to what your overall expectation was. 214 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: And and I'm using a phrase, and there's one point 215 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: where Wayne Brady's like this this badass pimp. And he 216 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: says at one point again and I'm paraphrasing, I think 217 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: I got it right. Is Wayne Brady gonna have to 218 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: cut a bitch? And it's one of the funniest lines 219 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: in the history of the Chappelle Show, not only because 220 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: of the way the skit's playing out, but because Wayne Brady, 221 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: who is the least threatening person on the planet, is 222 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: the guy delivering it. Last night to me, Nicky Haley 223 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: was walking around trying to gut people, and I saw it. 224 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: I think she would do it to Trump. She was 225 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: actually the most aggressive on the stage of anybody. And 226 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: I don't know by the way, Buck, I don't know 227 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: how it played. I think there are people out there 228 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: listening to us right now that were like, I didn't 229 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: like the the I didn't like the vibe from Nicky Haley. 230 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: I didn't like that aggressiveness. I think there are other 231 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: people out there who set up and said, oh, she 232 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: wants to be president. That's what I saw last night 233 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: was she was like, I'll gut people if I had 234 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: he or she wants to be the one standing left 235 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: on the stage for Trump to be the obvious pick 236 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: going for Remember, she already worked in a Trump administrator. 237 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: And that's why your argument of she won't say anything, 238 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean when the going hold her. 239 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: To go at Trump, hold on a second, to go 240 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 2: at Trump way that she went at Vivek Ramaswami would 241 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: be amazing television. 242 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: It would be bonkers. But we'll get the Tim Scott 243 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: reaction when like there were there was a camera shot 244 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: of him where he was like like a record Scotish. 245 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: I think he felt a little wounded, like I think 246 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: he felt like whoa nikki, like. 247 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: Really I mean, that's what I'm saying, like they are 248 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: personal friends. It seemed we have a wait, we actually 249 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: have where is it we have? What she says? It's 250 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: sing it, Tim, Like she was like let's go. Like 251 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: she was looking off her shirt ready to have a fight. Listen, 252 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: as the. 253 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: UN ambassador you literally putting fifty thousand dollars on curtains 254 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: and a fifteen million dollars bring. 255 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: It to This is what he was saying, that she 256 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: was spending a lot of money on curtains for the ambassador's. 257 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: Real but he only attacked her because she said. I mean, 258 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: first of all, I think it was Dana Perino just 259 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: set him up, like you're both from South Carolina. There's 260 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: only one, you know, like a steak fight for it, 261 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: there could only be one. Yeah, So she set them 262 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: up to fight because they are both from a small state, 263 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of overlap there. But this was 264 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: like when you know, when you see the guy rip 265 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: his shirt off, it's like, okay, we're gonna do this, 266 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: Like bring it, Tim. I was like, like, man, she 267 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: is like willing to gut people over this, and so 268 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: I think she might be willing to do it to Trump. 269 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: Look, if if she were, then I would say her 270 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: attitude should also be that you know that all these 271 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: rules and all this stuff too, we got we gotta 272 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: operate in reality here. If you want to put her 273 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: in the mix too, the three of them on a 274 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: stage would be interesting. I still think it should be 275 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: DeSantis and Trump, but it needs to get down to 276 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: a much smaller audience and people should should see I'm sorry, 277 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: much smaller group so that the audience can see what 278 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: these individuals really say and what they when they're pressed. 279 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 2: Because one thing about last night that bothered me they 280 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: were they were kind of you know, chirping and taking 281 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: shots at each other, but it was never clean. You 282 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: didn't really get to hear the response, and then there 283 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: was over talking and. 284 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: It was frustrating. 285 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, if you're gonna take a shot at somebody, 286 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: I want to hear the shot, and I want to 287 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: hear the countershot. 288 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: No, they totally pivoted away from conflict. I wanted them 289 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: to steer into conflict. If you or I had been 290 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: the moderator there, I would have been like, Okay, you 291 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: guys really want to scrap, Let's have the scrap. It 292 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: takes determination to write a book. 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Other people were thought, man, he seems 320 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: like kind of the nerdy kid in the classroom. And 321 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: I actually thought it was a funny part probably Chris 322 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: Christie's best moment when he was answering the question about 323 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: who he would vote off the island and his answer 324 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: was Trump, of course, but he told thea put your 325 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: hand down, dude, and it was like, it kinds like 326 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: in a classroom, like everybody knows the kid who's always 327 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: raising his hand and always trying to answer, and it 328 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: kind of brought back that dynamic. But I think the 329 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: challenge that Nicki Haley has and I'm not one who 330 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: sits around and says, oh, let's break down identity politics 331 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: on a regular basis, But I do think as the 332 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: only woman on the stage. She has to Like I 333 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: thought she was the killer on the stage, right, she 334 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: was the one walking around trying to with the with 335 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: the shive in her hand, like you don't know where 336 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: it's going next. You got the loaded gun. But you 337 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: have to balance the uh, Like if a guy is 338 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: a total jerk, Trump is a total jerker. There's a 339 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: gender perspective that factors into all of this. People are like, 340 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: that's an alpha male, he is a jerk. I don't care. 341 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: That's what we need. Women have to deal I think 342 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: with the when they are alphas that they are then 343 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: the bitch, right like Trump is go back and watch 344 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: the debates. Trump is a total and I'm trying to 345 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: make sure I use the right word jerk at some 346 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: points on the debate stage. But that is a hyper 347 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: masculine characteristic that lots of people like for alpha maleness, 348 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: and he benefits from it, benefits from that. How does 349 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: that play for Nicky Haley because she's a woman. I 350 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: think is a different dynamic now. I think there are 351 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 1: people out there listening to us right now, like I 352 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 1: love a badass chick who will just f people up 353 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: at any moment, right there are people out there who 354 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: like it. There are other people out there who think, oh, 355 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: I don't really want that kind of energy from a 356 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: woman that is a different dynamic. I liked it. That's 357 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: why I say, to me, this is down to DeSantis 358 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: or Nicki Haley, because to me, it represented like I'll 359 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes. I'm the best person on this 360 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: stage and I will screw up anybody else who tries 361 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: to get in my way. But I think buck there 362 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: are other people out there who are gonna say, yeah, 363 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: I didn't like us at all. 364 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: The only way you get better at something is with practice. 365 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: If you're a gun owner like I am, you likely 366 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: take pride in your training results at the rain. 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She is 385 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: a co almost at the New York Host and an 386 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: exciting announcement, Carol's going to be joining the Clay and 387 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: Buck podcast family soon here. 388 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: She's going to have. 389 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: Her first episode dropping on Monday, October ninth, So if 390 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: you subscribe to the Clay Travis en Buck Section Show podcast, 391 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: Carol's podcast will be in that. 392 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: Feed for your listening enjoyment. Carol, great to have you 393 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: with us. 394 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 5: Hi, guys, thanks so much for having me. 395 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: So you were there, I mean I saw you because 396 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: you were actually the front row row. 397 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we can all see you. 398 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: That must be kind of funny for a second, right, 399 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: you realize like you were totally on camera every time 400 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: the moderators were on camera, So you were front row 401 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: and the debate, just any anything you could tell us 402 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 2: about the energy or anything kind of off camera that 403 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: you experienced from being there. 404 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 6: Yeah. 405 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 5: So, I mean everybody I've ever met in my entire 406 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 5: life contacted me. So I think it's a debate that 407 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 5: has some good ratings, you know, some interesting things for me. 408 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 5: I guess, like at home, I don't realize just like 409 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 5: obviously these are all supporters of the candidates. You know, 410 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 5: almost the entire room. I mean there's some like you know, 411 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 5: conservative activists who maybe aren't specific supporters of candidates, and 412 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 5: maybe some you know reporters and commentators, but the great 413 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 5: majority of the room are literally friends and family of 414 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 5: the candidates, and so they only applaud their own candidate. 415 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 5: They only shout out their own candidate. It's not like 416 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 5: a natural thing, like you could be watching the debate 417 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 5: with your friends and you might like one of the 418 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 5: candidates more, but you're not going to say, oh, this 419 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 5: candidate isn't isn't saying something I like. If they say 420 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 5: something you like, you just say, oh, I like that too. 421 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:42,239 Speaker 5: It's not like that. 422 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 7: In the room. 423 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 5: People are very rigid behind their guy or a girl, 424 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 5: and that's just how it did. I think that I 425 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 5: never really quite got that from the television set. 426 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: All right, Carol, this is also something you don't see 427 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: on television. During every commercial break, the candidates can walk around, 428 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: they can interact, they can discuss, they can get their 429 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: makeup touched up. Did you see, and this is not 430 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: on air, did you see the candidates interact very much? 431 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: Did there seem to be any good rapport? Did there 432 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: seem to be any frostiness? Like how would you assess 433 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: the commercial breaks as somebody who was actually there on 434 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: the ground. I'm actually fascinated by this because sometimes you 435 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: can see, oh these guys are allies. Oh these guys 436 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: really hate each other. Did you pick up any body 437 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: language anything from the commercial breaks that those of us 438 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: watching didn't see? 439 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 5: I'd say, and I know this did come across in 440 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 5: the debate, but a lot of the candidates viscerally do 441 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 5: not like Vivek very much. The odd man out here 442 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 5: where they kind of all know each other. Maybe they 443 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 5: like each other, maybe they you know, will attack each other, 444 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 5: but still not like personally. I thought, for example, Nicki 445 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 5: Haley's line that she gets dumber every time she listens 446 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 5: to Vovac was kind of over the line, but I 447 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 5: saw Desantisimovak have a nice conversation at one point. I 448 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 5: think I saw you know, Christy and Nicky kind of 449 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 5: laugh at some together. So there is interaction, but they 450 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 5: do mostly go over to their spouse or their family 451 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 5: and they get like, if not a pep talk, then 452 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 5: like a little like they fixed their hair or I 453 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 5: saw Casey DeSantis, you know, fix Ron DeSantis's shirt. It 454 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 5: was it was It's very nice to see them with 455 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 5: their families, like Mike Pence had his grandchildren there. It 456 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 5: was really cute. 457 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: I think that Vivek and Vivic and Ron were probably 458 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 2: comparing you know. 459 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: S a T scores. 460 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 2: That would be quite an epic, an epic battle between 461 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: those two, or who had a higher gpa at at Yale. 462 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: But let me, uh, let me just pivot here for 463 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: a second. I mean, if you, Carol had to pick 464 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: one thing, one moment that you thought was the biggest 465 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: standout of the night, what was. 466 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 5: It, hm hmm. 467 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 8: You know. 468 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 5: I think Nikky going ham on all the other candidates. 469 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 5: It was sort of interesting because I think she was 470 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 5: always trying to be kind of above all of that, 471 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 5: and I think some of her comments were really really 472 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 5: stark and different from her normal personality. So to me, 473 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 5: that stood out. I don't know whether that's good or bad. 474 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 5: I saw some polls after the debate, you know, saying 475 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 5: that she won because I think a lot of people 476 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 5: really like the excitement of those digs and those jabs. 477 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 5: In general, though, I think these debates don't get to 478 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 5: any of the real issues, and they absolutely don't cover 479 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 5: the ground that Republicans would like to see covered. My 480 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 5: column today in The New York Post urges it to 481 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 5: come down to like two candidates that can debate each other. 482 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 5: If Donald Trump wants to show up, that's great. It 483 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 5: will be three. But let's limit it to who can 484 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 5: be on the stage so we can actually hear real 485 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 5: ideas and a real path forward for the country. 486 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: Carol, I said that to me, and I agree with that. Basically. 487 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: To me, the race is down to Trump obviously, and 488 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: then DeSantis and Nicky Haley. I don't think anybody else 489 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: could and really it's DeSantis versus Nicky Haley. Let's see 490 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: which of those is going to be the emerging alternative, 491 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: and then everybody else needs to get out of the race. 492 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: Now I'm curious if you would agree one. Two, is 493 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: anybody actually going to get out of the race, because 494 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: if they don't, then Trump's going to be the nominee. 495 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: There's actually not a lot of competition here because they're 496 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: going to continue to soak up they're three or four percent, 497 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: and Trump is going to stand. He's going to have 498 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: the majority, right how, which we saw play out in sixteen. 499 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, and in sixteen one of the things that always, 500 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 5: you know, kind of bothered me was a case of 501 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 5: stayed in the race even after he was mathematically eliminated, 502 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 5: Like what was he thinking was going to happen? They 503 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 5: were just going to sub him in at the end. 504 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 5: And so you're absolutely right, they can't keep going like 505 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 5: this if half the party, which is you know, basically 506 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 5: the numbers, Trump has fifty percent support, which is really high. 507 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 5: So I don't know why Trump fans get upset at 508 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 5: me when I say that half the party doesn't want him, 509 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 5: But that's the case. Half the party wants somebody else. 510 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 5: The fact that somebody else is split up by ten, fifteen, 511 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 5: et ceterra percent is a different story to me. Ron 512 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 5: DeSantis is sort of the revolutionary a post Trump candidate, 513 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 5: and NICKI Haley, for better or worse, is a very 514 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 5: traditional Republican candidate now that candidate wins. Sometimes George W. 515 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 5: Bush want two terms, and then of course John McCain 516 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 5: and Mitt Romney did not. So I get why people 517 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 5: are drawn to Ron DeSantis and to Nicki Haley, and 518 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 5: I'd love to hear their version of what the future 519 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 5: will look like for the Republican Party actually articulated without 520 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 5: like any of these stupid, you know, sideshow jabs. 521 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: Do you agree that basically everybody else has done. I mean, 522 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: with my assessment, that is Nicky Haley, it's it's DeSantis, 523 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: and it's Trump. 524 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, that is absolutely right, and it would be 525 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 5: great to have the three of them on stage. What 526 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 5: are the visions for the future from these three people 527 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 5: who are splitting up the Republican Party support largely? 528 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: But what about Doug beam my man, Doug Bergram. Would 529 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 2: you give him an honorable mention, Carol? I felt like 530 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 2: he actually acquitted himself well up there. He didn't get 531 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: that much time, but I thought he did a pretty 532 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: good job. 533 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 5: So his family. Every time there's like a lull in 534 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 5: the debate, basically Mount Bourbham as if to like that 535 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 5: he Yeah, he said some interesting stuff. I like all 536 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 5: of these people mostly, and I you know, I get 537 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 5: that it's disappointing that he's at one percent or whatever 538 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 5: and somehow still on this debate stage, but that's just 539 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 5: the way it is. And you know, I had never 540 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 5: heard of him honestly before this, before his presidential campaign, 541 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 5: which really is saying something. So yeah, he's he's he 542 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 5: seems like a nice guy. He's got some good ideas. 543 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 5: But his poll numbers, and I know polls aren't everything, 544 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 5: but they really are something to get on the debate 545 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 5: stage are so low that I don't see how he 546 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 5: should be included in the next one. 547 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: Okay, So Buck and I just had a discussion, and 548 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: we're two dudes, so we probably and we're excited to 549 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: have your podcast and alongside of tude Ad Dixon's. We're 550 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: two dudes. So I don't know that I'm or either 551 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: of us are particularly adroid at discussing this. You mentioned 552 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: how aggressive Nicky Haley was, and some people are going 553 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: to really like that. I described her as metaphorically like 554 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: walking around with a knife and you never know who 555 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: she's gonna stab next, right, Like that is pretty good television, right, 556 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: they always say like if you want to have somebody stick, 557 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: like have a loaded gun and at some point you 558 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: know it's going to go off on television, like people 559 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: watch to see what's gonna happen. But when Trump is 560 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: a jerk, he is able to be a jerk because 561 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: people are like, Okay, that's just how alpha males are. 562 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: Other guys in debate can get away with that because 563 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: they're like, okay, that's just kind of masculine energy. That's 564 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: how dudes are. They fight, they brawl, and people sometimes 565 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: are attracted to that. Now sometimes they're repulse, But I 566 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: think men have a more lenient standard there. What challenges 567 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: does Nicky Haley have with that being the aggressor that 568 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: being the person walking around with a knife that's different 569 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: from a woman perspective as you see it? Or is 570 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: there a difference? Am I wrong in it? Is even 571 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: that a sexist question to ask? 572 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 5: No, not at all. But it's so cute that you 573 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 5: guys think that women are less vicious than men. 574 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: Nick I think the expect that's a great point. That's 575 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: a great point. I think the expectation is for viewers 576 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: that women are less vicious than men. But Yes, that's 577 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: a that's a great that's a great point. 578 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 5: Yes, I think NICKI was able to get away with 579 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 5: those attacks because she's a woman. I think that there 580 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 5: would have been some like they're barely being mentioned today. 581 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 5: I you know, I don't think that the fact that 582 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 5: she said that to Vecas even in the conversation today, 583 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 5: and I'm still thinking about it, I'm still thinking like, wow, 584 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 5: that was really over the line and it really didn't 585 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 5: resonate with me, because for all the things that I 586 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 5: don't like about le Vec, it's not that he's dumb 587 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 5: and it's not that his comments are dumb. So yeah, 588 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 5: I think that she got away with saying some things 589 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 5: that a man maybe even wouldn't get away with saying, 590 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 5: you know, other than Trump. Of course, I've. 591 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: Always said, by the way, horror, I need to ask 592 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: her where she is on the great Biden will or 593 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: will not be the nominee debate of twenty twenty three. 594 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: Oh, that is a great question. 595 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 5: Well, you know, Klayce, Travis and I have a bet 596 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 5: where we're gonna be owed each other dinner if he 597 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 5: says the Gaps will be the nominee and I say 598 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 5: it's going to be Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. 599 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: Right, if something happens to you, Okay, you're on Biden 600 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 2: Harris team, which means you agree with the Buckster, which 601 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: means that your money is safe. Carol, you can tell 602 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: your husband that there's not gonna be any big outlay 603 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: on steak purchases because Clay's realizing this window for the 604 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: Biden switch is getting might teeth mighty small, Carol, get. 605 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 5: Kamala off the off the stage. There's just no way 606 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 5: to do that. 607 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: It'll be racist and sexist if they don't know, it's 608 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting, so kinda would be a little racist 609 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: and sexist potentially. Yes, last question for you, Carol, and 610 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: this is super important that your Dallas Cowboys just got 611 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: absolutely wrecked by the Arizona Cardinals twelve and a half 612 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: point favorite. Has the Markowitz family recovered from the usual 613 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: let down from the Dallas Cowboys. 614 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 5: You know, we were on the road, there were some injuries. 615 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 5: We're gonna come back from this. We're gonna come back 616 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 5: stronger than ever, because that's the elas cowboys do. 617 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: Clay. Yeah, it's told me in twenty five years since 618 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 1: you were in a game that matters, but yeah, I'm 619 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: sure at some point will happen. 620 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: Carol, can you tell us what the name of the 621 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: podcast is yet? Are you holding that back? 622 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 5: It's the Carol Markowitz Show, and you two will be 623 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 5: my first guest, and individually, I'm going to ask some 624 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 5: questions you maybe have not been asked before, and I 625 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 5: really hope everyone. 626 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: Tunes in fantastic Carol Markut's everybody please subscribe to Claim 627 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: Buck podcast. 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That's 655 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: Clayanbuck for Hillsdale dot com. 656 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 4: Download and used than you Clay and Buck out. Listen 657 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 4: to the program live, catch up on any part of 658 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 4: the show you might have missed. Find every podcast as 659 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 4: they're released and listen. Fine the Clay and Buck app 660 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 4: in your app store and make it part of your day. 661 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Carol's Great 662 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: and Buck and I were talking about off air, which 663 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: she said like, oh, I love that you think that 664 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: women are nicer, and I was like no, no, no, 665 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: I was thinking about that and talking with Buck. Off 666 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: the air. Guys just get in absolute throwdowns. Every guy 667 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: who is listening right now probably has a friend or 668 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: has witnessed it in their friend group. Two people get 669 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: mad at each other. They may throw punches. They may 670 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: end up rolling around on the ground. Three hours later, 671 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: the anger is gone, they may still be best friends forever. 672 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: Certainly in sports, that happens all the time. People are competitive, 673 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: the testosterone's flowing, you throw punches, you roll around on 674 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: the ground. Guys get angry and then they have a 675 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: beer and they're over it. Women don't typically have the 676 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: those physical encounters like the fights. They just hate each 677 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: other for decades and they engage in like subtle recriminations 678 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: against each other for a long time. Right, the antagonism 679 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: is different. I think the women's is deeper and longer 680 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: lasting when they decide they don't like somebody. Guys just 681 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: end up really having it out oftentimes and then it's 682 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: kind of over. It boils over. Anyway, we got people 683 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: want to react a couple of different women, variety of 684 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: perspectives on Nicky Haley, Heather and Cedar Grove, Wisconsin. What 685 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: did you think about Nicki last night? Uh? 686 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 6: Hi, I thought she was fantastic. And the comment that 687 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 6: I want to make is, I think that women are 688 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 6: ready for a woman like Nicki Haley, especially suburban educated 689 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 6: women like me. I have a doctorate in clinical psychology, 690 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 6: and there is a difference between assertiveness and aggressiveness. Nicki Haley, 691 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 6: except for one comment, was extremely assertive. I think that 692 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 6: it's high time for Americans, especially American men, to understand 693 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 6: that women can be strong and assertive and they don't 694 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 6: have to be aggressive in order to win. 695 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: So you liked it very impressed. Did you come in 696 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: liking her the most or were you kind of an 697 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: uncommitted viewer? 698 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 6: No? Actually, I'm pretty committed. I have been from the 699 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 6: get go committed to Ron DeSantis. Okay, but the comments 700 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 6: that you all have been making kind of insinuating that 701 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 6: there is still this gender difference between men and women 702 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 6: and the way they respond and the comment. 703 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: That you just made, So you think I'm you think 704 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: got sexist? I said, I liked it. But you think 705 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: me saying that a woman is judged differently by the 706 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: way she behaves on the stage than a man, you 707 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: don't think that's true. 708 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 8: Well, first of all, I do not think that you're sexist, 709 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 8: and I appreciate that, right, I don't. I do think 710 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 8: that your comment was wrong, but I don't think that's 711 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 8: you're sexist, all right. 712 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So. 713 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: No, no, I yeah, we're talking about the Thank you 714 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 2: so much, Heather for colling in just because we were 715 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 2: discussing before. The way that it is viewed is not 716 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: the same thing as how it should be viewed, right, 717 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: And that's a good point. 718 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: I think you know we're sharing By the way, Sharon, 719 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: Sharon has the exact opposite opinion. I think, Sharon, what 720 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: did you think about Nikki Haley on the stage. 721 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 7: She seemed shrill to me, and I took your comment 722 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 7: about her being aggressive And I have been judged in 723 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 7: the past as being aggressive when I thought I was 724 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 7: being assertive, and I have been criticized for that. I 725 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 7: think women are criticized for being aggressive in a way 726 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 7: that men are not. And I think women's assertiveness comes 727 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 7: across as aggressiveness if they come across a shrill And 728 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 7: she did that to me on maybe two occasions last night. 729 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you you know, I agree with Sharon 730 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 2: here Clay and I would say, I don't if Nikki 731 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 2: Haley if that same behavior, and I mean the interruptions 732 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 2: everything else was anyone else in the stage, I would 733 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 2: have thought they had gone a little rogue and gone 734 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: a little crazy too, Like it was above and beyond. 735 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: I don't think it was a she's a woman thing 736 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 2: that it would look bad. 737 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:26,479 Speaker 1: I thought. 738 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: I mean, the the Vey comment was just over the line. 739 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 2: That's just you just don't say. I get dumber every 740 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 2: time you speak. This is a presidential debate, it's not 741 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 2: a playground fight. I liked it, by the way. I 742 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 2: don't know about you both. 743 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: I have never thought about the difference as a guy 744 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: between aggressive and assertive in my entire life. Have you 745 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: ever thought of that as being different. We have PhDs 746 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: who listen, and one of them just told us that 747 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: that is a difference. I never thought about it before.