1 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Plan on paying less for the coverage that you need 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: with Farm Bureau Health Plans. Get a quote today at 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: FBHP dot com. I'm Emmy Wells and we are in 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: Indianapolis for yet another day of combine madness. Rett Brian 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: is here and we are joined by NFL Networks Cynthia Freeland. 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: Cynthia, we are so happy that you are here. 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: We have so many things that we want to talk 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: to you about, and they are mostly numbers related, which 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: is not a place where I thrive. 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: So that's where I'm here. Yes, you know what, that's great. 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: It keeps me employed. Thank you. You know, like I 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: don't do. I don't do like grammar, I'm a I'm 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 3: like whom. Yeah, I don't know the answer to that. 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: But I do throw it out sometimes I think you'll 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: land on it perfect. I think you're good. One of 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: the things that we've talked a lot about and have 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: heard a lot about is analytics and numbers as they 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: laid to play calling. 20 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: Talk a ton about that kind of stuff. 21 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: You mean in the broadcast, like will the analytics say 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 3: to go for? That drives me up the Wall. 23 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that's what they say. 24 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: It's like the probability of this and this is they 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: should do this thing. And I understand that makes sense 26 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: to me, But we are not in that time of year. 27 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: We are in the building of a roster time of year, 28 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: and so there is a completely different, I would imagine 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: set of numbers that people are looking at right now 30 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: to try and decide who to put on their football team. 31 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 4: Is that correct? 32 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: Well, there's also there's kind of three competing things happening 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: at once. The first one was already that. This one's 34 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: like a finite one, which is the salary cap number, 35 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 3: and it's higher than at least anyone. 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 4: I've talked to is expected. 37 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: Right, the thirty million increase, I think people thought it 38 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: would be more like fifteen to twenty. Like, this is 39 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 3: a significantly higher number than many teams were accounting for. 40 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: So that's good. 41 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: Now you have to weigh everything to do with the 42 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: combine and the draft prospects. You have to weigh that 43 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: with the free agents, so the free agency market, which 44 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: obviously happens in two weeks before the draft happens. That's 45 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: kind of the other part of the like the the 46 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 3: underbelly of the combine. A lot of these meetings that 47 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 3: are happening, they're not necessarily Hey, I've got this like 48 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: really sick wide receiver from you know, Washington. People know 49 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: about Romo Dudese, right, but it's like no, no, you 50 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: know my we might franchise tag this guy. 51 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 4: But maybe like that is the. 52 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: Other part, Like the free agent metrics that go into 53 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: creating your entire roster are on full display this year, 54 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: as with every year. 55 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: So when you're looking at the numbers part of it, 56 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: the money part of it, how many different aspects are 57 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: you balancing all at once Because there's so much more 58 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: than just we've got to add the new people. There's 59 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: also existing people who would still like to get paychecks. 60 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 4: So there's a couple of things. 61 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: The first is you know the good gms and and 62 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: they're reshuffling and you'll be like X players number guy 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: converted to excited. Okay, great, So do all that little 64 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: like weird math stuff that is so nuanced to the 65 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 3: NFL that it's like you have to be like it's 66 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: a totally different financial system. So get that stuff done 67 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 3: to like maximize your cap space. Then to figure out 68 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: like of your potential free agents, restrict free agents, franchise 69 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: tech like use your tools available to you to optimize, 70 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: then figure out who's going to be available in the market. 71 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 3: And really, I think what's happening here in Indiana is 72 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: the market's being established for this year. 73 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 4: I was lot talk about running backs. 74 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: Actually someone yelled at me about running It was very weird, 75 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: but like that well, and the funniest part was I 76 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: think they confused me for someone else. Wey look nothing 77 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: like and like it was very strange. So but they 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: were in the saying like, you've devalued running back to 79 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: the point, I'm like, first of all, I have not 80 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: I have not signed a say, just so we're clear, 81 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: I do not sign anyone's contracts. I am, I don't 82 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: employ anyone, so whatever. But long story short, it's like, 83 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: you know, establishing what the market place is. 84 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 4: That's a lot of what's going on here too. 85 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: Like Lagarious sneeds market right, Like this is a guy 86 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: who just coming off winning a Super Bowl. They'll probably 87 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: franchise tag him. I don't know if they like whatever, 88 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: it makes a lot of sense with their him or 89 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: christ Jones, right, and a lot of other teams are like, 90 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: well we could really use lagarious need services. So what's 91 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: the market going to be to like for a franchise, 92 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: what's the deal or do you want to do trade 93 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 3: or what they're using that commodity like him to try 94 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 3: to get either him or more than the value of 95 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: him through trades or whatever, you know. So it's a 96 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: lot of competing matho at once, but it's also guessing 97 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: what your opponent's going to do so that you can 98 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: out maneuver them because it's a marketplace. 99 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 5: So Cynthia, question is it relates to the Titans because 100 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 5: not only has this cap gone up historic thirty million bucks, 101 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 5: but they are in the rare opportunity and window to 102 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 5: kind of reset position values because Ryan Tannehill is currently 103 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 5: off the books, and so is Dereck Henry, and they've 104 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 5: got Will Levis who is going to be the starter 105 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 5: under a rookie contract. So now they've got a chance 106 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 5: to move some pieces around, maybe front load a contract 107 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 5: with a guy or two they want, and have that 108 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 5: back end of the contract be friendly so that if 109 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 5: Will Levis is the guy, yep, you can afford to 110 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 5: pay him. So they're in that process where they're getting 111 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 5: out of salary cap jailed pretty much. Yeah, credit card 112 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 5: was max. Now it's clear, here we. 113 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: Go, yes, and this will It's also a good you know, 114 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: it's very nice when you have a new coach to 115 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 3: be able to enact your strategy right, Like, it's very 116 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: hard to figure out what someone else's intentions were two 117 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 3: three years down the road. First, like you walk in 118 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 3: and you're like, well, it's not like you create your 119 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: fifty three man roster from scratch every year, right, Like, 120 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: there's some that you're just they're going to be there 121 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: and some that aren't. Right, so you have to figure out. 122 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: So it's like, is the strategy then to build like 123 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: from the inside out, meaning like trenches and then the 124 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: middle of the defense, like or is it going to 125 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: be to the best available place? 126 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 4: Like what's this? 127 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 3: We'll see right, And the good part is now you 128 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: have all of these options available to you, which to 129 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: me means that's great because then randon like they can 130 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: get on the same page GM and coach and they 131 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: could make one strategy easy. 132 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 4: Ps And to. 133 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 5: Your point about the running backs, you're not gonna pay 134 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 5: twelve million dollars for a run not You're not. You're 135 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 5: not gonna pay thirty six million dollars a year. Yeah, 136 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 5: and I didn't yell at you, and I'm not going 137 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 5: to And you're not gonna pay thirty six million dollars 138 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 5: for a quarterback like you had for for Ryan Tannehills. 139 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 5: So this is a rare opportunity. 140 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 4: It's a great one. 141 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: And also there are some it's weird because I don't 142 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: know if you wear like cap casualties. It's just more 143 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: like bad contract clearing up ings from other teams. That's 144 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: really bad English. Told you I do math, not English, 145 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: But I can understand that. Yeah, Like like, let's so 146 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: they got them off their books. Maybe a pass rusher 147 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: to be villed, so you don't necessarily need to go 148 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: out this year and say we're fixing everything in one 149 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 3: fell swoop. Like leverage, the will Levis contract, leverage, the 150 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: fact that you've got there's a I don't know if 151 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: the like who sets the running back markets to be 152 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: very interesting to me, Like do the Raiders keep Josh Jacobs, 153 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: do the you know what happens with Austin Eckler, Like 154 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 3: these are these are some guys who are. 155 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 4: Like Tony Pollard exact. Yeah, that one's even weirder to me. 156 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: Like there are some some are less weird and like 157 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: some I'm like, well, Austin Eckler has been really good, 158 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: but like this is a new system. So like it's 159 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: it's not personal if they don't choose, like choose to 160 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: keep him, you know, like whereas like some just feel personal. 161 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's whatever. 162 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: I don't know if it is, but it just I mean, 163 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: Derrick Henry is gonna be I'm curious what he'll get. 164 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: Like it's very The market's so weird. The market is 165 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: so weird. See, they're gonna be like some someone that 166 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: thinks like, okay this, you know, Merry garround of like 167 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: like the chairs are gonna stop and they're gonna put 168 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get and they'll overpay, or they'll wait 169 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: and wait and wait and then they'll underpay. I don't 170 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: think that it'll be accurately priced no matter what. I 171 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: just don't think running backs can be actually priced in 172 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: this current market. I just don't. 173 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: That's crazy. 174 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: It's just bananas. I know we're going to have to 175 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: let you go eventually, but before we do, I also 176 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: want to talk about how numbers can be used to 177 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: evaluate talent. 178 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: We're in a situation where we're watching all of these guys. 179 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: They're running, they're jumping, they're doing all of the things, 180 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: and there's just this influx of information and numbers. How 181 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: can analytics, I guess, help to process all of that 182 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: information and establish that a guy is really good at 183 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: his job or really good for you in his job. 184 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: Well, I mean we're measuring everyone with the same stick here. 185 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 3: Their film is already done, like there's no chance for 186 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 3: them to put another college game out there. So film 187 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 3: is done, and so everything here is basically like all right, 188 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: Like I think this guy's going to be really fast, 189 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: and maybe he runs a fast forty or maybe he doesn't. 190 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: It's kind of like making sure that what you've seen 191 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 3: and observed from the film and like your analysis there, 192 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: it's like a gut check of like, hey, you know, 193 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: what I saw in the film seems pretty to align 194 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: with the expectations reached at the combine or or not right, 195 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 3: Like if something's if someone's blazing fast and no one 196 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: expected it, that will cause people to go back and 197 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: be like, hey, maybe we missed something in his film. 198 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: Or if someone's maybe not so fast, then they'll go 199 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: back and be like hey, but because it is what 200 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 3: it is. And a lot of this is like in 201 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: the same way, like I don't know about you, maybe 202 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: you're young, too young for this, but like you know, 203 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: I had to, like God love take the act, you know, 204 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: to get into colle I don't think kids need that 205 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: anymore anyways, act I don't even know, but all I 206 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: know is I had to do it. 207 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 4: But it's like did you write the letter yes? Did 208 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 4: you take the yes? 209 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: Like it's kind of like can you And here at 210 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 3: the combat, it's like can you interview at these grueling 211 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: hours be poked and prodded and still like can you 212 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: do can you do this process? Did you train well enough? 213 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: Did you do all the things you could do to prepare? 214 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: And then like can you be a pro in this 215 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 3: really very unique circumstance of like being treated like cattle? 216 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: And then and then after that? 217 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 3: So it's it's kind of like the holistic thing of 218 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: like let's get everyone in the same area so we 219 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: can you know, metic is obviously the most important thing 220 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 3: that comes out of here and the interviews, but it's 221 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: it's a grueling It's a grueling test of like patients, 222 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: so like can you complete this part of the application. 223 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: It's become a little bit more of a do you 224 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: have the mentality to make it through the process, as 225 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: opposed to are you going to measure correctly? 226 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: Because as we all know, if I have. 227 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: To hear about one more hand sized measurement, we'll lose 228 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: my mind. 229 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: It never comes up again. We all sit around. 230 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: Here, always hands, and we talk about the size of 231 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: somebody's hands, and then never again do we mention it. 232 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 2: Never again it comes up. 233 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: Oh it does when it's a cold weather game, or. 234 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Like, I don't care about his hands anymore. 235 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: He's done too many other things now. It's the same 236 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: hands as far as I know. 237 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: But also like you know, you know, maybe got a 238 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 4: hand transplant. 239 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: But also like there's ways to like the flexibility. 240 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: I'm doing on the table. 241 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 3: No one listening can hear, like the flexibility in your hand, 242 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: Like my hand measures pretty big and I have tiny 243 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 3: hands because I have flexible hands. Never what I've never 244 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: thought about, like push it against push it against the table, 245 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 3: spread that, so we go, like the flexibility in your 246 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 3: hands and a lot of like think about it. Think 247 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: about it if you're throwing footballs for fifteen years and 248 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: your your hands get there, you have a lot more 249 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: muscle in your hand, and like maybe you're same size 250 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: hand but just not as flexible. So like like it's 251 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: wild small hands smell like cabbage. It's it was crazy. 252 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: It's a wild thing that you do. 253 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: But there are benefits to this information there if for 254 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: no other reason, it helps to sort through all of 255 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: the things that you were trying to put together. And 256 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: that's the ultimate goal, right, is the sorting and. 257 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 4: The But you're just trying to prevent being wrong. 258 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's like, how do I minimum like I 259 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: care about these eleven attributes of a player, Like I 260 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 3: want my quarterbacks to be I'm gonna find if this 261 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: guy fails three that I think are the most important three, 262 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 3: he's not my quarterback. He's not like and then you 263 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: gotta do it relative to where you think the value is. 264 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: Like the measuring stick for guys who we believe to 265 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 3: be fifth round picks and guys would be first round 266 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: picks are so completely different. So I think a lot 267 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: of it's just like is my organization of this like 268 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: matching is the math mathing? Like you know, is the 269 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: film filming? Like are we getting the things that we 270 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: thought or is it totally different. 271 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 5: You just described what JJ McCarthy's going to go through 272 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 5: this week, because he wasn't asked to do that in 273 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 5: a lot of those games help, but the spots where 274 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 5: he was he made throws. So now he's got a 275 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 5: chance to go up the ladder and probably be fourth quarterback. 276 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: Take full this closure from Michigan so I know more 277 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: people in both the Michigan and Michigan State, like I 278 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 3: over index in knowing coaching staff people there on those 279 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: two and also Ohio State, which is really random because 280 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: the Michigan people anyways. 281 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 6: But he don't associate with it, right, It's like. 282 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: I just asked a simple question like, well, why don't 283 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 3: you have JJ do more of like the Pro South 284 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: when they goes? 285 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 4: We didn't need to. 286 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: Which is a valid point though, Like. 287 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: Are I'm paid to win football games? Not to get 288 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy drafted in the highest spot possible and with. 289 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 5: A defense that they had and the running backs and 290 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 5: the receivers and everything. Yeah, so they did it right, 291 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 5: there's eight I am. 292 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: Paid to win college football game. The wildest thing go 293 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 3: watch if you guys, if you're real draft heads, is 294 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 3: that a thing? 295 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 6: Sure? 296 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: A real big draft fan, Go watch Texas's defense play 297 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 3: they play a three three five? 298 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 4: What please? 299 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: Now try to translate that to the NFL. I have 300 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 3: spent time this week with so many NFL defensive coordinators 301 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 3: and I'm like, how do you even? 302 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 4: Like what? What do you even think? And they're like 303 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 4: you kind of don't. 304 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 3: Like you just look at the apple, like yeah, and 305 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: that's it's not a very like fulfilling answer, but it's 306 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: the truth, right, Like three three five Really. 307 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: That's not a thing, Like, I mean, it's a thing, 308 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: but it's. 309 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 3: Not something now not but you know why Texas is 310 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: trying to win game games? 311 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 4: Yeah? Who knew? 312 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: And it works, right, So I just you have to remember, 313 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 3: like a resume is what it is. It's what you've done. 314 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean what you can do or what you 315 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 3: can't do. It's just what have you done and tech 316 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: and technically and it does. The mathos bear it out 317 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 3: many times. The things that you have more repetitions with 318 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: doing you you you are you are fully formed of 319 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: that you either can or can't do it. If you've 320 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 3: done taken enough reps at it, right, you get better 321 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 3: at certain things or you don't write like like but 322 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: if you've never done it. 323 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 4: We don't know. 324 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland breaking down things that I can never understand 325 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: because once a year we get together and she gets 326 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: me right and I appreciate. 327 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: No, I'm so, I'm just like very happy for your family. 328 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: Like I can't get over the cutest picture. Maybe it's 329 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: a bike, maybe it's a kiss. I'm gonna go with 330 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: a kiss. 331 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: Nobody else does. It's always a bite. Thank you so much. 332 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 4: You got it. Yeah, I have a great one. Thanks 333 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 4: for having me. 334 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: Seat Geek is now the official ticketing partner of the 335 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Whether you're buying or selling tickets to Titans 336 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: games or to any other live event in Nashville, seet 337 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: geek is the place to do it. See geek the 338 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: official ticketing partner of the Tennessee Titans. So Titans fans 339 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: ken fan Ian Rappaport from NFL Network joins us here 340 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: on the otp Ian. We're starting the free agency period. 341 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: It's right around the corner, and I feel like there 342 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: are a lot of storylines to watch this year. What 343 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: are some of the top things that you are going 344 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: to be watching unfold as free agency begins? 345 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 7: I know it's interesting because there's never We love free agency, 346 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 7: and I love free agency, and we spend a lot 347 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 7: of time on it, but there's never a great free 348 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 7: agency class, right because usually the best players get resigned 349 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 7: by their teams. What's interesting as we do this more 350 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 7: and more, and especially as the kap has jumped, is 351 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 7: we get trades. And you know, you see, like what 352 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 7: Jerry Sneid, you know, likely get tagged by the Chiefs, 353 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 7: could get traded. You have you know t Higgins got 354 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 7: the tag? Could he get traded. There's a bunch of 355 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 7: good players who could get traded. I think that's always fun. 356 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 7: Where the quarterbacks land. I mean, I don't think that's 357 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 7: of relevance to you guys, thankfully, because we will Levis 358 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 7: I believe played well enough last year where the Titans 359 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 7: are like I think we are good, which is. 360 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 6: A great place to be. 361 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 7: Like, you know, they're drafting seven and they don't have 362 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 7: to worry about the quarterbacks. That's really really, really, really significant, 363 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 7: I think. But I think the anyway to answer your question, 364 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 7: I think the other thing is there's gonna be a 365 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 7: lot of money spent, and the cap jumped to a 366 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 7: place where most people did not anticipate it, and that's 367 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 7: great because everyone's gonna get even richer than previously realized. 368 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 6: But that's good. These guys should get paid. 369 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: The Tennessee Titans are sitting in a place where, as 370 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: you said, it seems they have their quarterback for at 371 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: least right now. Yeah, they have a lot of cap 372 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: space and they've got a high draft pick. 373 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: Is there a team in the National Football. 374 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: League that's as set up as the Tennessee Titans are 375 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: going into this offseason. 376 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: No. 377 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 6: I really like where they are. 378 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 7: And you know, last year was was weird for the 379 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 7: Titans because like it wasn't successful, Like the didn't win 380 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 7: a lot of games, and obviously it ended up with 381 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 7: the firing of Mike Vrabel. But you have to have 382 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 7: those seasons. It just sucks, but you have to. You 383 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 7: have to go through it. And I look at like, 384 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 7: there's no team hotter right now than the Houston Texans. 385 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 7: They went through it for a couple of years. It 386 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 7: was tough, man, it was really tough. And I think 387 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 7: for Tennessee you have a fresh outlook a much how 388 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 7: should I say this, more optimistic and sunny, building a 389 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 7: little bit some good human not that Mike Vrabel's not 390 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 7: a good human. But some good humans in there, some 391 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 7: really good teachers care about people. It is a really, 392 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 7: really good time to be a member of the Tennessee Titans. 393 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 7: I think they're in an ideal spot to build. And again, 394 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 7: the fact that they don't need a quarterback means they 395 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 7: can take all that money. And I'm not saying go 396 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 7: sign the splashiest guy, because I don't know that it'll 397 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 7: be like that, but go sign a really really good 398 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 7: upper middle class and like build the right way. 399 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: You say the Titans have a lot of good humans 400 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: right now, what do you mean by that? 401 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 7: Well, I mean there's I know a lot of general 402 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 7: managers and I've gotten to know a lot of them 403 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 7: and have relationships with them. There's not that many that 404 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 7: know the names of my children, Ran Carthon does. He 405 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 7: made it a priority to get to know me. You know, 406 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 7: my kids matter to me, but not to other people. 407 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 7: But that's kind of what he's like and what he 408 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 7: cares about, right. I think Brian Callahan is similar, Like 409 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 7: he's a good guy. And there was such a theme 410 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 7: this year and the coaching carousel of owners wanting to 411 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 7: hire good teachers, good leaders, and people who they like 412 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 7: to be around, and so, like, you know, Brian Callahan 413 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 7: is a very good coach, and I think you could 414 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 7: not argue with the job he's done helping quarterbacks be 415 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 7: successful in teaching. But the first thing anyone says is, oh, 416 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 7: he's a good guy. And I think that's really significant 417 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 7: because look, football is hard, it really is, and to 418 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 7: win is painful because you have to go through it 419 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 7: and get there, and if you can be with people 420 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 7: you like, it's much more. It's just much better. And 421 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 7: I think the lot of owners, including Tennessee, decided that 422 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 7: this year. 423 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: How do you think the new coaching staff mixed with 424 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: a still relatively new general manager is going to impact 425 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: the decisions that the Titans make in free agency and 426 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: beyond even into the draft. 427 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you know, the job of Ran Carthon 428 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 7: and Anthony Robinson and Chad Brinker is figure out what 429 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 7: the coach is like. And I think the really good 430 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 7: organizations have synergy and you don't have arguments over players 431 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 7: because you wouldn't fight for a player that's not going 432 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 7: to fit what these coaches do and what reality of 433 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 7: it is. Like Tennessee has had those. I mean, anyone 434 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 7: who's seen Mike Rabel's reaction to the Trailon Burke's draft 435 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 7: pick or the AJ Brown trade, Like, you know what's 436 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 7: going on there. And Titans had a lot of success. 437 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 7: Vveribel's coach of the year. He is awesome, but it 438 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 7: was not always synergy. They were not always alignment. I 439 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 7: expected to be alignment this time. I expect the personnel 440 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 7: department of the coaches to be on the same page 441 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 7: as far as. 442 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 6: What they're looking for. And I think it'll really help. 443 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: Significantly when it comes to the draft. And kind of 444 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: turning your mind to that, how big of an impact 445 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: do you think free agency is going to have on 446 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: the Titans draft? 447 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 7: You know, what you hope for is that you don't 448 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 7: need anything. Like let's say the Titans are going to 449 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 7: go into this saying we need a left tackle. Okay, 450 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 7: well now, I mean I don't know if you get 451 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 7: one in free agency. Those are very hard to come by. 452 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 7: But theoretically you get to a point in the draft 453 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 7: where you say, I don't care what position is available, 454 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 7: I can just take whatever I want. I can take 455 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 7: the best player. And at seven, like we could get 456 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 7: three quarterbacks, probably three quarterbacks. 457 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 6: Before could get four. 458 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 7: Maybe if somebody trades up like they're going to get 459 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 7: the fourth or fifth best player in the draft, or 460 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 7: third or fourth best player in the draft. Regard as 461 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 7: a position that's awesome, now. 462 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 6: Is that tackle? 463 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 7: Like Okay, that'd be great, but it doesn't It shouldn't matter. 464 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 7: You should set yourselves up in free agency where you 465 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 7: could take whatever position you want. 466 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 6: And be fine. 467 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: In Rappaport, there you go. Thank you guys breaking it down. 468 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: Thank you for Ian Rappaport and Cynthia Freeland. I'm Amy Wells, 469 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: thanking you for listening to the OTP. 470 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Big Show where the Legend's going