1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: You're listening to Math and Magic, a production of I 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. If you get up every morning and dream it, 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: go hard for it, that you will never hear me 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: say I am the most talented reggae artist or dance 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: all artists. Far from it. I hold my own and 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: I do my thing unique enough, and I've probably the 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: most accomplished. But you could have talent and work ethic. 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: No one will ever know you. You could have work 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: ethic ten percent talent and be the biggest star in 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: the world. That's what it boils down to. I'm Bob Pittman. 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Mathemagic, where we talk about that magic formula 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: of marketing. We talked to great magicians and great mathematicians, 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: and we have a fantastic magician here today, Blessings Shaggy. 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: You want a Grammy and was the nine first you 15 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: want a Grammy in two thousand nineteen. Yeah, or your 16 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: collaboration was sting and that might say at all, how 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: do you do something for that long and keep it going? 18 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: You know? It took the first Grammy kind of for 19 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: granted in a way I wanted for Mr Boombastic, I 20 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: was the guy that was breaking through all the barriers 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: with Old Carolina. It was the first number one dance 22 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: all record in the UK, and I came to Bombastic 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: and followed up. Normally, when the most diancel artists after 24 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: they get a number one, the follow up his heart, 25 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: you know. But I stepped up to the plate and 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: I wrote Mr. Bombastic and I delivered it and it 27 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: debuted at number one in the British Chard first day 28 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: out and it was the first time that was ever 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: done in reggae's history period. And our good friend Chris Blackwell, 30 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: there was a binning war when I had Old Carolina 31 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: in the chart set number one, because that was an 32 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: unsigned act that was number one in the British Shark. 33 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: And Susan Newman, who was a really good friend of his, 34 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: who was his right hand her and I had a 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: great relationship, and I really wanted to be signed on 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: Island because that was the home of Bob Marley and 37 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 1: Jim Mcliffe and all my all my heroes. But I'm 38 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: driving in a car with my then manager going to 39 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: sign a deal memoir. I think if I can recall properly, 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: and I got a call from a gentleman by the 41 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: native ken Berry that time I think. He was the 42 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: chairman of Virgin Records, and he offered me a million 43 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: pounds and that time it was unheard of in reggae 44 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: music for an artist to get that kind of money. 45 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: And so we stopped the car and I said, wow, 46 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, I have a great relationship with Chris and Suzette, 47 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: but I might need to go here what this guy 48 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: has to say. So I turned the car and went 49 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: back to Virgin, but met with him the same day 50 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: and I said, what a big office and he says, yes, 51 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: matches my ego in my offer. And I called Chris 52 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Blackwell at that time to see if he would match it, 53 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: and he said, too rich for me. I've never paid 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: that much for reggae us and I'm I'm not about 55 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: to now. And we debuted at number one with Mr Bombastic. 56 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: Ken Berry says, it's funny Chris would say that I 57 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: made my million back just on Old Carolina, which which 58 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: was kind of weird to me. It was like wow. 59 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: Years after, I was at Golden nine and Chris and 60 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: I were joking about it, because we're still good friends 61 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: to this day, and he said, Shaggy, was it something? 62 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: I said? I said, maybe it was what you didn't say. 63 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: But I took the whole Grammy thing for like granted, 64 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: and I was nominated I think seven times after that 65 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: and never got it. I was always beaten, either by 66 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: somebody who was a Marley or something or something just 67 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: always lost. So after a while I was like, Wow, 68 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: I wonder if I'm really gonna get back one. And 69 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: then I did this project, which I really didn't think 70 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: I was going to get a Grammy for this project 71 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: because it was kind of out of nowhere. It's kind 72 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: of weird, staying shaggy. People ask a question like what 73 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: is this and go figure here we are? You know 74 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: that Jamaican in New York, that Jamaica can in New York? Right? 75 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: You were born in Kingston, Born and rising Kingston, still live. 76 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: At eighteen, you moved in with your mom in Brooklyn, 77 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: joined the Marines, went to war. Yeah, and then all 78 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: this other stuff goes. We're gonna connect the dots in 79 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: a minute, but first you in sixty seconds. You don't 80 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: mind the test? Do you go ahead? Okay, Okay, here 81 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: we go. Knock it out. Cats are dogs, Cats beat 82 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: your mountains. Beach definitely, Beer wine or tequila. Tequila definitely tequila, Tequila, 83 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: ram still tequila. I've gotta like that. Boats or planes. 84 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: I'm a boat guy. Sunrise or Sunsets, Sunrise Brooklyn or Kingston. Kingston. 85 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: Definitely Bob Marley or James Brown. Oh that's a tough one. 86 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: That's a tough one because I've never met Bob Marley 87 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: and he's always been my hero. But I've met James 88 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: Brown and he was such a huge fan and a 89 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: huge inspiration to me. I'll have to tie on that one. Okay, 90 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: we'll give you a tie. What's your favorite city to 91 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: tour Africa? The whole continent of Africa. Uganda is cool, 92 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: Kenya Ghana. I just love torning out because you get 93 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: these massive crowds. It's like the whole country comes out. 94 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: Secret talent I could draw. Would you'd never eat? Who would? 95 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: I'd never eat? You'd never eat? And things that smell bad. 96 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm not good with food. It doesn't smell nice. Most 97 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: musical person you know except you, staying childhood hero, my mother, 98 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: worst bad you participated in I think Breakdance. It was 99 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: kind of weird for me because I was awkward at it. 100 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: The best cool side drink coconut water. What do you 101 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: think you wanted to be when you were growing up Fireman. 102 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: As I got older, even when I was doing singing, 103 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: I always looked at you Hefner's job and say, hey, 104 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: that would be a cool job. Best performer you watched 105 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson? What topic can you talk about? Forever? Love? Who? Yeah? Good? 106 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: End that? Okay, that's the quiz. Now let's get into 107 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: it all right. Cool. I've got a place in Jubaka. 108 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: You and I met there. I don't know how many 109 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: years ago. Many you give master tours of Kingston. That 110 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: was the beneficiary of it, except when that pit bowl 111 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: almost ate me alive when you was trying to talk 112 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: to who I was trying to talk to. So is 113 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: Jamaica where your heart is? And how do you think 114 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: it shapes who you are and your music? I think 115 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: it's everything. Jamaica is where the root of it is 116 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: and where the energy comes from and the drive because 117 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: I am the first at many things in dance, all 118 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: and reggae, and I'm big on people telling me I 119 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: can't do it and I have to prove them wrong. 120 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm big on that. It's like a fire lid onto 121 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: me when they try to tell me that I can. 122 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: Do you think Jamaica gives you that backbone? Yes? Yes, 123 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: imagine doing a dance all record and trying to get 124 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: it played on popular radio. To this day, there's still 125 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: not a reggae formula or a format for reggae music. 126 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: There's a format of hip hop, there's a format of 127 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: R and B, rock pop, whatever it is. There is 128 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: no format for reggae. But yet still this art farm 129 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: has now become somewhat of the sound of popular music now, 130 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: from the Rihannas to the Justin Bieber's do whatever it is, 131 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: go back to staying in the Police, and you can 132 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: sting in the Police. When they started, The Police were 133 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: the first white reggae band and they were part of 134 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: the gate opening because reggae bands at the time could 135 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: not be played on major radio stations. Unfortunate because most 136 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: of them because they were black, you know, and these 137 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,559 Speaker 1: guys were some white guys were playing a hybrid version 138 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: of it that got on mainstream radio. And so now 139 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: the real reggae guys like the Steel Poles and the 140 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: Asods and these guys could basically come in and say, hey, 141 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: what are you talking about. You're playing those guys, what 142 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: do you think they're playing, you know, and Sting was 143 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: gracious enough to always support them pay homage to them, 144 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: and this is kind of what we did with this 145 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: project going back. So let's talk a little bit about 146 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: we're on the subject of Jamaica longevity. I mean, the 147 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: very few people in the music business have the kind 148 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: of longevity, staying power, eternal appeal you do. Where do 149 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: you think that comes from? Is that related to Jamaica 150 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: if you go back there for nourishment and come back 151 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: into the world. You know, Bob, When I came out 152 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: with Carolina, it was a cover of the Folk Brothers 153 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: Oh Carolina, and I covered it, but I also put 154 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 1: my twist to it. It was such a massive number 155 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: one around the world that they labeled me a want 156 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: in Wonder and it was the big headlines in almost 157 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: every British tabloid. Kind of why I think probably Chris 158 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: didn't come to the table, but we ended up lasting 159 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: this long and I think I am the guy that 160 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: no one ever saw coming at all, and I'm still 161 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: today the guy that no one sees coming. So Jamaica 162 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: does have a lot to do with that, because I 163 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: somehow I have a love hate relationship with being beyond 164 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: the dog. I kind of like to be beyond the 165 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: dog because when you win, it feels better. I kind 166 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: of hate being beyond the dog because the journey is harder. 167 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: But my grandmother always says, nothing good in life is easy. 168 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: You and I both know a lot of people who 169 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: started out very humble, nice, and they unleashed a monster 170 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: when they became stars. It seems like the bigger you are, 171 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: the harder you work. You're one of those guys. It's 172 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: working as if this is your first record and your 173 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: first time out every time, and what in your background 174 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: gave you that. I came from nothing. I consider myself 175 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: the luckiest human being unearthed. Nothing I take for granted. Nothing. 176 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: Every single time I get up, I feel like, Wow, 177 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: I survived the war. I come from a from Raytown 178 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: in Jamaica. There's no one in my family that has 179 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: ever gone to college. I'm putting somebody in college, a 180 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: few in college now. I was the first to be married, 181 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: I was the first to kind of engage in family. 182 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: I was a dreamer, very very fortunate, and I don't 183 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: take anything for granted. So Shaggy, how did you get 184 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: the name Shaggy? And at what age. It's probably probably 185 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: around thirteen fourteen. I was a skinny guy, totally skinny 186 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: guy with a lot of hair, and my hair was 187 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: really really light, so they said I looked like Shaggy 188 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: from Scooby Doo and they called me Shaggy. I hated 189 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: the name Shaggy dog. Say dog, Shaggy dog. Yes, it 190 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: was a tease. I left Jamaica, came to America and 191 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: everybody staw calling me Richard. I was like, oh God, 192 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: that's great, and then I'm run into some Jamaican on 193 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: Flatbush was like yo, Shoggy Yoo was like, who's that? 194 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: Do I know you? Yeah? Then all my friends around me, 195 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: oh shocking, and then it just clicked to them. But 196 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: I went to England after all. Carolina. I was in 197 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: a car being picked up at the airport from the 198 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: record company guy and Old Carolina came on on the 199 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: radio and Radio one and the DJ was like, oh, 200 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm playing a record from a blog, 201 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: bad Damn and Shaggy. It was making a big deal 202 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: out and I said, why what what? What's the big deal? 203 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: He says, so you don't know what shag made? Like 204 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: now do you explained to the man like Ah, all 205 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: of a sudden, my name was the coolest name I 206 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: have had. So that's why I tell the chicks these days, Hey, 207 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: how did you get your name? Shag You never had 208 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: a van? Did you like Shaggy? No? No, no. I 209 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: toured in the van in Europe, though it wasn't the 210 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: mystery machine. There as much mystery going on there. Let's 211 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: take it a step back. Why did you join the Marines? 212 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: I was in Flatbush at the time, and it was 213 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: flat Bush and the real Flatbush since not Ginger five 214 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: Flatbush as it is now heavy West Indian area. At 215 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: that time, I went to Rasmus Hall. It was an 216 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: academy of the arts at the time, so I I 217 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: excelled in the arts, acting music. I was good at 218 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: art and design. It was good at but I believe 219 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: with my mother at the time and all my friends 220 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: were just doing everything that was wrong. I was in 221 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: Clark's the Nostro and I was selling weed, coke, everything 222 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: that was bad, hanging with everybody. It was bad. But 223 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm also smart and off bobt in order. If somebody's 224 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: walking and they step in the hole and break their leg, 225 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: common sense, if I'm walking behind them step over it. 226 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: So it didn't take long for a couple of my 227 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: friends to be getting locked up, and I decided, hey, 228 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: you know this ain't me remembers the Twosa. I think. 229 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: I walked down to Flatbush Junction. I walked in a 230 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: recruiting office and I stepped in and there was some posters. 231 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: One was the Navy, the Army, the Air Force, and 232 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: the Marines. And I stepped over to the marinea in 233 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: the form. I was like, that looked like something I 234 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: could get laden because at that time, at that age, 235 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: it's all it was all about women. And I asked 236 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: the guy, said I want to get into this, and 237 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: he was like, uh, you know, asking my age. And 238 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: he says, you know, I have to take a test. 239 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: And I took the test. He's like, well, I could 240 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: get you out of here next month, and I was like, no, 241 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: I need to get out of here by Friday. And 242 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: I told her the recruit I said, if I'm not 243 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: doing it by Friday, I'm not doing it at all. 244 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: And he says, hold up, and he went to this 245 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: other guy, and I guess they kind of swapped, and 246 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, I ended up leaving being like the following 247 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: week Friday or something like that, and I went into 248 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: the military. And at that time, when I stepped on 249 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: the yellow foot prints and the guys screaming in my face, 250 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: I was like, what have I got myself into? But 251 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: I really just did it just to get off the streets. 252 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: What did you learn from the military? That was my 253 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: biggest teaching, I should say that experience. I started out 254 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: in a platoon of thinking about maybe a hundred hundred 255 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: twenty or something like that, or a hundred, I can't remember. 256 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: We graduated it about thirty or forty amount of people 257 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: that dropped out, and I think it was like thirteen 258 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: weeks in basic training and these guys were screaming in 259 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: your face. I almost didn't make it funny enough because 260 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't swim from Jamaica. And it was a running 261 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: joke with I can't now, but it was a running 262 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: joke from all the drill instructors. Jamaica, boy, you can't swim, 263 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: are you vir? Jamaica gas whim and you're on it 264 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: up on smoke head, you know. And they kept having 265 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: me hacking him all the time. Now, drive to New 266 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: York City every single weekend, which is considered a wall 267 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: just to do music. So I drove nine hours to 268 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: nine hours from just to make records, and the eighteen 269 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: hours every weekend, and I would sometime come back late 270 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: and I would get a wall. There was a colonel, 271 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: Colonel Evans was the Jamaican Attashi. He was my CEO, 272 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: and he always tried to locale for me. Once he left, 273 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: there was another colonel in charge, and I got bit 274 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: and I would do it every weekend. Actually, I voiced 275 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: O Carolina I in a studio in my full uniform. Wow, 276 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: still weird uniform because I wouldn't get stop on the highway. Really, 277 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. So yeah, whenever the state trooper 278 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: pulls you over if you're in your uniform. There ex 279 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: military tours like okay, guys, slow down. You know you 280 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: actually got chipped out to the first Gulf four right, 281 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: and how did that affect you? I mean, did you 282 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: actually see battle? Were you in the middle of it? Yes? 283 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: You know what people do twenty years in the military. 284 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: I never see you are I do four and I'm 285 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: caught up in the desert storm. It was a learning 286 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: experience for me too, because it made me appreciate a 287 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: lot of things. It's funny what you appreciate the simple 288 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: things in life. Friendship, your mother's cooking a warm bed 289 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: when you're in the middle of a fighting field with 290 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: none of that. And it did a lot for me. 291 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: For race. There was a gentleman I was guarding a 292 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: fifty cow with in Saudi Arabia and he was a 293 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: white guy, and he was explained to me that then 294 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: he came to the military, is the first time he 295 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: saw a black man or met one. And he had 296 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: explained to me his lifestyle and his parents. And so 297 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: I would say racism is taught, because here's the guy 298 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: that I'm having a conversation with him and I became friends. 299 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: And now it's him watching my back, I'm watching his 300 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: back and we're guarding a fifty cow. And so how 301 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: did you get Marines the musician? I did it because well, 302 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, I was in Rasmus Hall and there were 303 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: little clicks in the lunch room in Brooklyn. So you 304 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: had the Haitian click, the Trinity click, the Jamaican click, 305 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, and in the Jamaican click, I was the 306 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: guy that could spit rhymes and it would beat the 307 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: bench I missed. I said you know, they would be 308 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: lives out seeing that the lunch thing, and I mean 309 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: just I would say all these rhymes and I was 310 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: really really good at it. I look at your shirt, 311 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: your pants, your shoes, whatever it is. And when I 312 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: realized when I did that, I got attention. And I 313 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: realized when I did that, I got chicks, lots of girls, 314 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: and they were all, you know, they always wanted me 315 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: to talk about their hair and issue and all that. 316 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: And as that went along, somebody heard me, a guy 317 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: called Kingsley, and I said, I'm going to take you 318 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: over to a place, and they brought me to a 319 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: place called Gibraltar sound System and I ended up spitting 320 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: some some lyrics tonight with a couple of guys, you know, 321 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: just battling and trading rhymes. And they took me to 322 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: a studio called Don Juan Studio in Brooklyn and I 323 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: cut a record, and then it introduced me to another 324 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: guy called Sting in National. I cut another record, and 325 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 1: after that I was doing a circuit. I started making 326 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: a reputation for myself and one of those songs became 327 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: a hit, and then another one and another one. Then 328 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: after a while I had these ghetto fabulous songs, these 329 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: underground songs, and now I was getting to every club 330 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: for free. I drank for free, and I left with 331 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: the prettiest Jake. I'm like, I'm on cloud nine, you know. 332 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: I lived in Bedforst Divers and at this time little 333 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: apartment Dearren Madison between Lewis and Marcus Garvey. I had 334 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: a great time, not a wars in the world. And 335 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: one of those songs I wrote while I was in 336 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: the military too, was Oth Carolina. It was a license 337 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: to Green Sleeve in England and they had major distribution 338 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: through BMG, and it just took off like like crazy. 339 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: And at that time I was doing background from Maxi Priest. 340 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: So the universe just kind of somehow put me with 341 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: Maxie and I went out with Maxie for five hundred 342 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: bucks a week, touring with him, and he taught me 343 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: how to do interviews and taught me how to speak properly, 344 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: and taught me what how to perform mentor Yes, it's 345 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: kind of a mentor. And there were good things he 346 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: did and bad things he did. Some of the bad 347 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: things I looked at it was like okay, you know, 348 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: but it was a big learning process for me. So 349 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: this is math and Magic. It's really a podcast for marketers. 350 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: Shaggy is a big brand. Do you consciously think about 351 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: managing that brand? What's shaggy and what's not shaggy? And 352 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: what you can do and can't do? Yes? And how 353 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: do you think about brand Shaggy. I am a direct 354 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: representative of brand Jamaica. I look at it like that, 355 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: everything about Brand Jamaica comes with a cool factor. I 356 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: was offered to do I think was dancing with a star, 357 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: one of them things some management I had was bringing 358 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: to me and I refused, and you know, they were like, 359 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: what are you doing? And you're you're being difficult and 360 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, can you imagine me shaggy, iconic guy 361 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: out of Jamaica dancing around entire No, it's not gonna happen, bro, 362 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I find now what 363 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: brand Shaggy is. There's a lot of people that don't 364 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: know a lot about me and what I am. You know, 365 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: Mr Bombastic, you know, love me, love me know Angel. 366 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: Some of these songs are very cheeky and some of 367 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: them somewhat novelty, and they think that's the basis of 368 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: what you are. You know it wasn't me, but there 369 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: was also ten million people or so that bought Hot 370 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: Shot and realized there was a lot of depth within 371 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: that album. I'm a guy that's I'm ginna pig at it. 372 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not the guy to choose characters who 373 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: are good for me. Bad management people would not much vision, 374 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: people would low self esteem people. It's just part of 375 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: my journey. I'm not mad at any of it because 376 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: I learned from every single one of it and has 377 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,239 Speaker 1: made me a stronger person today. And I actually do 378 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: think my best years are ahead of me. And You've 379 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: got a brand that has worked for a number of generations. 380 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: And there's probably the people in the mid nineties I 381 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: thought of you was one thing. People today probably think 382 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: of you as something else or know you for something else. 383 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: How do you tie all that together? Well, it is 384 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: crazy in the sense because I used to be at 385 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: Rocket Studio up here and I Puffy at the time 386 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: was he was at Uptown Records and he was an intern. 387 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: So I'm in the time with Joe to see heavity. 388 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: He was a really good friend. He was Jamaican, so 389 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm from that era. So I saw when jay Z 390 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: got here. You remember being on the road when Beyonce 391 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: and Destiny's Child we were doing radio together, you know. 392 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: I remember when in Sync was opening for Shaggy, you know, 393 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: and Spice Girl was opening for Shaggy. And in Europe 394 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: when we had Mr. Bombastic was the biggest thing and 395 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: they were just coming up. I remember all of that. 396 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: The other day, I was having a conversation. We're talking 397 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: about Joe to See and I I was like, yeah, mat 398 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: Jody was. And then the kid that was with me, 399 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: I guess he's probably around one, like, who's Joe to See? 400 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: And I imagine looks at me and says, do you 401 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: realize what this is? He doesn't know who Joe to 402 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: See is, but knows who Shaggy is. Isn't that crazy? 403 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: And to have lasted this long and I'm having the 404 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: biggest year in reggae for me, just winning a Grammy, 405 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: best Selling Reggae Album, best Selling Tour, Wanted the best 406 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: Selling Tour, Number four, most successful tour for the year. 407 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: At fifty, You're just a baby, you know, Bob. That's 408 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: why I like talking to you. Always have older friends. 409 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: It's it worked like a charge. Just hold on a second, 410 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: because we've got so much more to talk about. We'll 411 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: be back after a quick break. Welcome back to math 412 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: and magic. We're here with Shaggy. You've traveled a whole 413 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: lot and talking about that too. How do you balance 414 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: that with the family and what influence does that have 415 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: on you? My partner is the whole, the down person 416 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: and the person that mops up, and how the fires 417 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 1: and do all of that. You really got to give 418 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: credit where that is doing. Mad That's a lot because 419 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: I am the guy to has always gone. But to 420 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: manage that family situation, you really have to give and take. 421 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: I would say, when this is over with and I 422 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: go home, your feelings get hit sometimes because things goes 423 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: on without you and it is tough and you get 424 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: into arguments and you get into fights and you kind 425 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: of have the weather through it. But I like at 426 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: the end of the day when I look at it 427 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: and I'm like, Wow, this is what I've done. This 428 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: is great, beautiful home, beautiful life, beautiful life. This is great. 429 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: Quite an arc. Yeah, what's your process for making the music? 430 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean, how does it start, Where does this idea 431 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,239 Speaker 1: come from? And how does it turn into something? I 432 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: don't like to follow the trend of things. If you 433 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: look at the history of my songs, we know Carolina 434 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: came out, there's nothing in radio that sounded like it. 435 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: When Mr Bombast came out, you were like, what the 436 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: what is this? But it was good. When I came 437 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: with it wasn't me. We were in in sync and 438 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: Britney spirits mode. Radio is like what is this? So 439 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: I've always maintained that because that's what excites me, is 440 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: coming with that lift feel, thing that is disruptive, an 441 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: ear grabber, like what is this? And it's a balance, 442 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: an act because you can't be too left field to 443 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: where radio is like, oh my, well, how does this work? 444 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: It has to be a balance, and it's finding that 445 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: right balance that works. And it's a gut instinct of 446 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: me feeling like, oh yeah, this is great. Do you 447 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: think about it to get there or does it just 448 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: pop in your head? Sometimes I think about it. I 449 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: give you a quick example. I was doing pop music 450 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: and I was doing very well at it, but I 451 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: wasn't getting in respect in Jamaica for dance all. And 452 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: I started a dance all. So it starts to bother 453 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: me and I wanted to come back and get a 454 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: dance all hit and it had to be a big one, 455 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 1: and I thought about it. I thought about it, and 456 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: I took every record that's doing well and I listened 457 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: to them. Elephant Man was doing this ponder river dance stuff, 458 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: and then there was Aunt Kilho was doing the hardcore 459 00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: gun and stuff. And I was like, how do I 460 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: it in. I'm not the dancing guy that's not Shaggy, 461 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm not the gun talking guy that's not me either. 462 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: I went to a party in Brooklyn with a friend 463 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: and a young lady was with me, and she brought 464 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: a bag with a dress. So we did the party 465 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: and she went into the bathroom and she changed into 466 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: another dress. This was daylight coming up now, and she says, 467 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: can you dropped me to church? We just covered from 468 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: a dance, hardcore reggae dance in Brooklyn. We drove into 469 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: the church. I dropped her off. I couldn't get out 470 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: of my head. She just flipped from being this girl 471 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: that was cocking up in about the right, you know, 472 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: doing all the nastiest dances. And she put a dress 473 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: on and I had and she was at church. It 474 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: was that simple. And then the idea came to me 475 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: for a song called Church Eden. I wanted it to 476 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: sound different that I I wanted to hear church bells, I 477 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: wanted to hear church choirs, but I wanted the conversation 478 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: to be about the hypocrisy of church, but in a 479 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: comedic way. And I wrote it and we put it 480 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: out and it was nineteen weeks at number one in 481 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: the dance hall and I was back with the whole 482 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: dance hall crew. Now didn't buy into me as a 483 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: dance all artists, as you know, but it opened the 484 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: door to all my other stuff, you know. And it 485 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: was so massive, So it's always calculated. When I was 486 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: doing this record with Sting, Martin was like, should we 487 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: go to Jamaica and do the record? And I was like, well, 488 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: why don't you use my team in New York. We 489 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: did it in New York. I was like, yeah, but 490 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: we need the authenticity of Jamaica and everything. I said, 491 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: we have another way come to Shaggy and Friends. It's 492 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 1: a win win. It's the most publicized you know about it, 493 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: and we did it. It It was a massive concert on 494 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: the laws of the Prime Minister's resident twenty thou people 495 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: and we made a million US for the hospital. We 496 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: gave it in and we did a great video in 497 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: the streets of Kingston and everybody loved them, and everybody 498 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: loved the project. And here we are, let's talk about 499 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: your charity. I went down you gave me the tour 500 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: of the children's hospitals. Pretty remarkable, and you have taken 501 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: that as your pet project. Give us a little bit 502 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: of insight into why, how, and and where you are today. 503 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: A friend of mine, Tony Kelly, who I'm doing my 504 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: new album but now, he had a son but a 505 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: name of Shane, and his son was sick and I 506 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: went to the hospital to night to visit this kid. 507 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: And while I was waiting there, I had the opportunity 508 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: to talk to the nurses and doctors and they were 509 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: telling me all the remarkable things that they were doing, 510 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, like, for instance, to prep for a surgery, 511 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: to warm the blood the blood is frozen, they put 512 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: it in a pot with some water with a temperature 513 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: gaijer and you know, warm it up until it was 514 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: the right thing, because they didn't have a machine called 515 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: the blow to warmer. And I realized they were doing 516 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: things like that, and I said, if I made a 517 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: vow to myself, I was ever in a position to 518 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: help in my wood. A couple of years afterwards, I 519 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: made a hot shot and I had a ton of money, 520 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: and I just walked in there and cut him a check. 521 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: And I kept cutting them to check for nine years, 522 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: and we built roofs, bought beds, bought machines. Every machine 523 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: they gave me an needs list, and I tried to 524 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: fill the neat nets. I built a park with my 525 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: band for the parents of the patrons, and a gentleman 526 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: touched me on my shoulder and says, a shag, can 527 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: you come visit my daughter. She's hooked up to one 528 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: of your machines. I'm like, all right, cool, let me 529 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: just finish with this ceremony here, and they cut the 530 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: ribbon and blah blah blah, open the park. So I 531 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: walked around and it was this little girl that was 532 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: hooked up to a machine that I bought, and she 533 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: was about eight years old, and she was incoherent, and 534 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: riser just rolled over in her head and she had 535 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: a bullet stuck in her head. She was eight years old, 536 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: and I felt incredibly useless, helpless. I held her hand 537 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: and I just got up and say I got it. 538 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: Something else. I didn't know the first thing about putting 539 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: a concert on. But I called a friend of mine, 540 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: Sharon Burke, and she put me onto a brought by 541 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: the name of William of Food who his family are 542 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: the founders of Food for the Poor, which is the 543 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: second largest international charity out of the U S and 544 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: the sixth largest charity in the United States. But they're 545 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: all Jamaicans, he says, shagged a minute you start helping 546 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: the poor, you will never stop, not believe. So they 547 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: taught me how to register a charity and so you 548 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: just can't give money like that. And they just kind 549 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: of guided me through it, and we put the first 550 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: concert on and since then we've done I think by 551 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: eight or nine. Congratulations, Thank you, sir. Great work. Talk 552 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: a little bit about the low periods, ups and downs, up. 553 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: You've got all this energy propelling you forward. When you're 554 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: the low period. How do you break through? How do 555 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: you keep it going? How do you deliver them? People 556 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: should never be scared of the low period. Those are 557 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: the best years. That's when you know who your circle is. 558 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: When success is there, everybody is is dandy, everybody is 559 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: around you, everybody is supportive. When the wheels fall off. 560 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Who's going to push the cart. Who's gonna rock with 561 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: you when the rewards aren't high, Who's going to tell 562 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: you the truth? Those lower years are what built the 563 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: character of me to be a fighter to move forward, 564 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: because then you could not have accomplished anything else with 565 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: the same team of people who are not believers in you. 566 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: I was surrounded by a bunch of people that we're 567 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 1: just the wrong people for him, and it kept happening 568 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: for years because I'm also one of those guys who's 569 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: from the ghettos, and I believe in chances, and I 570 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: believe in loyalty, and I believe in friendship, and I 571 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: believe in all of that. At some point, you have 572 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: to get up, look in the mirror and practice one 573 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: simple word, no, no, no, no, and say it enough 574 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: times and you'll get used to saying it, and at 575 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: the apportune time, you will say no. Because if you 576 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: keep saying yes just to please everybody so that you're 577 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: not the bad guy, everything falls. That's part of being 578 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: a leader. What advice would you give the young shaggy 579 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: somewhere in Brooklyn and the Marines in Kingston looking up 580 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: to you? If you get up every morning and dream it, 581 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: go hard for it. That you will never hear me 582 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: say I am the most talented reggae artists or dance 583 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: all artists, and far from it. I hold my own 584 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: and I do my thing unique enough, and I've probably 585 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: the most accomplished. But you could have talent and work 586 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: ethic and no one will ever know you, and you 587 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: could have work ethic ten percent talent and be the 588 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: biggest are in the world. That's what it boils down 589 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: to get upon time. Great relationships mean what you say, 590 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: That's a big one. I don't find a lot of 591 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: that in this game of music, especially with artists. Mean 592 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: what you say. If I shake your hand on something 593 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: and somewhere down the line, it changes not in my favor. 594 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,479 Speaker 1: I'm still going through with it because I shook your 595 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: hand on it, and I'll take the loss. That's integrity. 596 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: Where did you learn that? Were you born with that? 597 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: Or was that somebody's influence on you. I don't think 598 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: it's an influence on me. I think that was from 599 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: just the streets, because I have meant many people who 600 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: have done that in my life. You've just come off 601 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: this incredible success with staying Grammys tours hits, So tell 602 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: me about the new music. I kind of did a comeback. 603 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: There's a a young lady by the name of Tessentian 604 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: is a great singer out of Jamaica, and I asked 605 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: her she would go on the Voice, and I got 606 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: her do on the voice and she won the voice. 607 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: She was first Jamaican to do it. It was a 608 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: big deal and we did shaggying friends and I wanted 609 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: to kind of be the guy behind her and manage 610 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: and but she had other plants. But it was the 611 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: single thing that made me realize that I need to 612 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: bet on myself. And so I went back to me 613 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: and I wrote a little song called I Need Your Love. 614 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: I did a video and I put it out and 615 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: within a week it was a million views, and in 616 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: another week it was another million. And after a while 617 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: label to approached me, and after a while a young 618 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: lady called Marty came in the next minute, I was 619 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: running around doing I Heart gigs and I went to 620 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: every station and I went on every show. I didn't 621 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: care what slot they put me on, and I did 622 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: my thing. We got the song to top five radio, 623 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: but it put another energy in He says, Hey, maybe 624 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: I got something left here, and of course I had 625 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: an album to come out because now I put a 626 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: record aside, I do an album, and Sting came to 627 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: me and says, well, I want to do a reggae record. Now, 628 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: this guy is staying, it's an icon. You short's me. 629 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: You want to do a record with it? Yes, I 630 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: want to reggae record, and you're the guy I want 631 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: to do it with me. Shock me. Give you someone 632 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: under the boush your self esteem. Let that guy talk 633 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: to you, because this guy is like, people don't understand 634 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: his genius. When I'm sitting in an interview and he's 635 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: this nineteen time Grammy a hundred and fifty million records 636 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: sol blah blah blah, and sit down there and says, Hey, 637 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: you don't understand the genius of this guy. What did 638 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: you just call me? Yeah, the genius of this guy? 639 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: What you do as genius? I play instruments. You don't 640 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: play instruments, and you get these melodies and these words 641 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: and these things going. But you take that for granted 642 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: because there's people around you that weren't empowering you. And 643 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: here's this guy that came into my life at the 644 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: right time. To empower me and then I'm playing for 645 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: staying on if I was like, wow, this is this 646 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: is crazy because now I had a lot to let out. 647 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: It's the first time I'm doing a more personal album. 648 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: So this is an album that is the most personal 649 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: I've ever gotten. What I'm doing on this record has 650 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: a lot to do with what I've gone through with 651 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: people and how disappointed I've been with people. People I thought, wow, 652 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: I really didn't know you, did I thirty years, twenty years? Yeah, 653 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: that's what this record is about. Very personal. But I'm 654 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: also a great pop writer, and I now to structure 655 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: a song and now to make it catchy and stink. 656 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: Says to me, the reason why you haven't been here 657 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: on the level of what I've done or I had 658 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: the amount of success I have is because no one 659 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: has ever really invested in you the same way. Because, 660 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: let's face it, Monday morning, when you get in the 661 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: record company and they said, hey, let's talk about Shaggy, 662 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: he says, Okay, let's put five million dollars behind this 663 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: guy and blow them up. There's no track record of 664 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: ever being done before that. What executive is going to 665 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: put their ass on the line and invest that kind 666 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: of money in an act would come from Jamaica doing dance. 667 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: All how are you going to market it when there's 668 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: no format? Has it been done before? By the way, 669 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: it's Jamaica, it's dance, all the music of homophobia, guns, violence, 670 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: whatever statement they give to it. So I have to 671 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: maneuver my way through all of that. And he says, 672 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: my god, the guy that we said should be on 673 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: the banana boat singing, he's selling half a million records 674 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: a week. That's where it comes from. That's where that 675 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: drive comes from. Well well deserved, Thank you, sir. One 676 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: final thing, this is math and magic. Who's the best mathematician? 677 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: You know, you'd have to be somebody that reinvents himself 678 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 1: all the time. You would have to be somebody who 679 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: has stood the test of time. It would have to 680 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: be somebody who gets it and someone who still has 681 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: to fire. You're looking at him. I love that. Who's 682 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: the best magician? It's funny that you have this program 683 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: name math and magic and magic because I don't think 684 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: one exists without the other. And I could only speak 685 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: for myself, so I would put myself in that category too. 686 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: You're merlin, Thank you, Thank you. Here's a couple of 687 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: lessons I take away from Shaggy. Part of being a 688 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: leader is learning to say no when it comes to collaborations. 689 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 1: Shaggy believes, if it's not when, when it's a bad idea, 690 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: and don't be scared of the low periods. It's when 691 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: you realize who's in your corner and where the opportunities 692 00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 1: truly are. Thanks again to Shaggy, his new solo album, 693 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: wa Iguan is out now, make sure you go check 694 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: it out. I'm Bob Pittman. Thanks for listening. That's it 695 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: for today's episode. Thanks so much for listening to Math 696 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,479 Speaker 1: and Magic, a production of I Heart Radio. This show 697 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 1: is hosted by Bob Pittman. Special thanks to Sue Schillinger 698 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: for booking and wrangling our wonderful talent, which is no 699 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: small feat Nikkiatore for pulling research bill plaques and Michael 700 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: Asar for their recording health, our editor, Ryan Murdoch, and 701 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 1: of course Gayle Raoul, Eric Angel, Noel Mango and everyone 702 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,959 Speaker 1: who helped bring this show to your ears. Until next time,