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Speaker 1: Welcome into the NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve wis with you.

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Speaker 1: He did not mention that he is an All Pro

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Speaker 1: He also didn't mention that he's a franchise tagged safety,

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Speaker 1: We're also going to break down the Dallas Cowboys with

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Speaker 2: A loaded loaded show, and JP, we saw on Monday,

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, eight players get franchise tag and we

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Speaker 1: You see, what we're gonna get a chance to see

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Speaker 1: You know, running back agents are going to be saying

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the fascinating point of this offseason

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Speaker 2: We're just playing a game show. But JB speaking a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: We're getting ready to find out what's going on in

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Speaker 2: I'm Steve White with my guy James Palmer and Lance Zerline,

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Speaker 2: our draft analyst, just released his draft. His mock draft

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Speaker 4: You know, I think the third pick is one of

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Speaker 3: Number one and potentially two not working out.

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Speaker 3: But C J.

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Speaker 4: Stroud through there, Anthony Richardson through there, Will Levis through there.

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Speaker 4: I think with Drake may you know, yes, touching accuracy

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Speaker 3: I think that would have been huge for Drake May.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he hurt himself, but I certainly

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know, for guys like McCarthy and even

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, they say their draft position is pretty set.

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Speaker 2: It probably only hurt themselves if they participate in the combine.

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Speaker 2: That's always something they've got away. But in your mock draft,

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Speaker 2: But in your mock draft, Lance, you only got four

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks going in the first round. Okay, JP, I want

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Speaker 1: Here, Well, I want to make it. John Beck. On

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Speaker 1: our last show, Steve said that CJ. Stroud opting to

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Speaker 1: And I think you're right, that's something Drake may could

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Speaker 1: have went out and done. Is there anybody with these quarterbacks?

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Speaker 1: And Steve's kind of alluding to the ones you have

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Speaker 3: You know, actually it went the other way for bow Knicks.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think it came out of his hands the

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Speaker 4: way I expected it to. And you are right, that

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Speaker 3: It just came out differently for him.

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Speaker 4: And of course he was the second pick of the

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's good enough.

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Speaker 4: I think bo Knicks is good enough, but I expected

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Speaker 3: Been a huge, huge emphasis.

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Speaker 4: I think all those the people standing behind and I'm

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Speaker 4: you'll see me somewhere in there. If you slow down

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Speaker 4: the tape I was watching, you can.

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Speaker 3: Feel them there.

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 4: You can see me getting that shot of Joe Milton's throw.

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Speaker 4: I can promise you that that was unbelievable. But no,

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Speaker 4: you know, and Steve, you asked about four quarterbacksually, I

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Speaker 4: the senior ball and maybe the combine he looks solid.

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Speaker 4: But are you taking solid quarterback the fifth one off

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: and I think, you know, he'll be a twenty five

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Speaker 3: Let's get that extra year on him.

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Speaker 4: Let's take him at the back end of the first

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Speaker 4: So hard to say what's gonna happen with the fifth

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Speaker 4: I don't see six picks. I don't see six quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: All right, So we're assuming that, you know, Caleb Williams

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Speaker 2: get some of these wide receivers because Marvin Harrison, let's go,

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Speaker 2: didn't work out the combine, Nope, doesn't plan to work

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Speaker 2: just talk You just talk about drik may not not throwing,

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Speaker 2: and maybe that didn't naturally help him. What about this

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Speaker 1: It's a bold choice.

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Speaker 4: Cotton, to not do anything from a draft standpoint is

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Speaker 3: But I think you make a very fair point, Steve.

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Speaker 4: I think that you know, does he have to No,

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Speaker 4: But I do think that the general public has just

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Speaker 4: to assume Marvin Harrison, Junr. Is a top wide receiver

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Speaker 4: and KYLEB. Williams is generational. I don't know that either

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Speaker 4: People throw that term around way too much, or more

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Speaker 4: elite neighbors. You know, milite neighbors on a lot of

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Speaker 4: people's boards and teams boards is number one. It's not

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Speaker 4: So I think those top three guys Marvin Harrison Jr.

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Speaker 4: Elite neighbors. I have it neighbors one in the draft

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Speaker 4: But I think Adunze Neighbors and Marvin Harrison Junior is

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Speaker 4: I think the boards are going to look vastly different

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Speaker 4: I've already had those conversations, and so I do think

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's put Lance's board back up there, because

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Speaker 1: I would think, being an Ohio State Buck guy myself,

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Speaker 3: See not for me. I have Marvin Harrison. I have

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Speaker 4: But here's the problem. Malik Nighbors is going to be

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Speaker 4: Most people think Marvin Harrison's going to be a mid

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Speaker 4: really going to get down to flavor here. Like Marvin's

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Speaker 3: I know, he's a great wide receiver. He's a great

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's number two in my game a

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Speaker 4: And I'm telling you now, I've talked to one team

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Speaker 4: I'm just telling you it's a lot different when you

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Speaker 4: remember this too. You talk about being fatigued, the fatigue

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Speaker 4: who had him in Cleveland. What if they were to

436
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Speaker 4: do that and then with the third pick take a

437
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Speaker 4: wide receiver, then all hell breaks loose because Arizona would

438
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Speaker 4: have a huge opportunity to either trade back and let

439
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Speaker 4: someone come up for a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so listen, it may not be as

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Speaker 3: clean as my mock.

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Speaker 4: Frankly, if you had flip flopped the wide receivers, you

443
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Speaker 4: guys would probably say, this is just a normal looking board. However,

444
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Speaker 4: I don't. It never goes normal. What does it ever

445
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Speaker 4: go like we think it's gonna go, It never does.

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Speaker 1: No.

447
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Speaker 2: No, I love the and I'm really hoping that there's

448
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Speaker 2: a situation where it gets all stirred up like this,

449
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 2: we have to get out. But one thing. And I

450
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Speaker 2: know you've probably heard this too. I know you said

451
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Speaker 2: Elik Neighbors and everyone says he is a dog like

452
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Speaker 2: he's like Davante Adams. Every snap in practice is like

453
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Speaker 2: the last play he's ever gonna play. Brian Thomas, his

454
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Speaker 2: LSU teammate. I've spoken to some people who say he's

455
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Speaker 2: more naturally gifted than Elik Neighbors, and he is starting

456
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Speaker 2: to realize to get that dog in him, that daily

457
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 2: grinded him. Where he is not nearly at his peak.

458
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of room to grow. That's a player

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Speaker 2: to look out for.

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Speaker 1: Lance.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to get your opinion on this. I had

462
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Speaker 2: to tag it. I mean in my ear saying we

463
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Speaker 2: got to get out, we got to get you back.

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Speaker 1: Brother.

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Speaker 2: We love having that on my man.

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Speaker 3: That's good.

467
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Speaker 4: Let's make go straight to Twitter and start tweeting about

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Speaker 4: this right now.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it all right, man, Hey, Lance Zerline once again.

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Speaker 2: Check out his mock draft on NFL dot Com. It

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Speaker 2: is good stuff. And coming up, Jane Slater our Cowboys

473
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Speaker 2: Inside is gonna let us know the latest on Dak

474
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Speaker 2: Prescott negotiations. Is it gonna be a long term deal

475
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Speaker 2: or has Jerry Jones got something up his sleeve. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna find out next on the NFL Report. You're listening

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Speaker 2: to the NFL Report podcast, but you can watch me,

478
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Speaker 2: Steve Weich and my co host James Palmer on the

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Speaker 2: NFL Report at seven fifteen Eastern time on Mondays and

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Speaker 2: Thursdays on the NFL app and free streaming platforms on

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Speaker 2: the NFL channel on Roku two b Peacock, Pluto TV

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Speaker 2: and other.

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Speaker 1: Free streaming apps. Welcome back to the NFL Report, James

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Speaker 1: Palmer alongside Steve Which Here are the franchise tagged players

485
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Speaker 1: within the NFL. We had a bunch of them this

486
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Speaker 1: year t Higgins right there at the top. You look

487
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Speaker 1: at the number for the wide receiver, Steve Man. But

488
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Speaker 1: the I want to tell you about with the NFL

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Speaker 1: Network insider Ian Rappaport is not everybody is either going

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Speaker 1: to a play on the tag or b play on

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Speaker 1: the team that tagged them. Well, it almost sounds like

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Speaker 1: we're playing a game in the school yard, doesn't it. Ian.

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Speaker 1: What I want to bring you in and thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us, is maybe when you look at this list,

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Speaker 1: is there anybody that jumps out at you. I know,

496
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Speaker 1: we've heard the rumblings of Lagarius Need has been tagged,

497
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Speaker 1: and then there is talk of a possible trade. Is

498
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Speaker 1: there anybody on this list and we'll start there that

499
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Speaker 1: this tag just allows them to kind of work further

500
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Speaker 1: and maybe having them play somewhere else.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Lugarius Need is the obvious one.

502
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Speaker 6: I know, he has permission to seek a trade, his

503
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 6: agent as permission to talk to other teams. Anything is possible.

504
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 6: I think playing on the one year tag also possible.

505
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Speaker 5: For the Chiefs.

506
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Speaker 6: They're also trying to get Chris Jones done. If Chris

507
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Speaker 6: Jones does get done, it's going to be a very

508
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Speaker 6: very very large deal, potentially in the thirty million dollar.

509
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Speaker 5: Range, So they need some space.

510
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Speaker 6: A trade makes sense, and Lagarius Need is a very

511
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 6: very good player. Someone needs a really good player would

512
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Speaker 6: probably be the top will definitely be the top corner

513
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Speaker 6: on the market, So that makes sense. As far as

514
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 6: who just a lot of cornerback needy teams. Honestly, I

515
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 6: mean it seems like the Colts, the Titans, the Patriots,

516
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Speaker 6: the Lions. There's a lot of them, and so I think, yeah,

517
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 6: trade is possible as far as the others, I mean,

518
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 6: obviously we know there's been interest from other teams and

519
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 6: potentially trading for Brian Burns.

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Speaker 5: The Carolina Panthers have always rebuffed that interest.

521
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Speaker 6: They have a new GM now you sort of wonder

522
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Speaker 6: if that is still in the same place. I think

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Speaker 6: the others, you know, potentially could be looking at long

524
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Speaker 6: term deals, and you know, usually this is something we

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Speaker 6: deal with in July, much to my chagrin and drops

526
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Speaker 6: my golf season. There's some indications that some of the

527
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Speaker 6: deals might come sooner, you know. I would say, for instance,

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Speaker 6: the Bucks and Antoine Winfield and negotiated a potential long

529
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Speaker 6: term deal. The Colts and Michael Pittman have done the same.

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Speaker 6: We'll see if some of those deals. Pretend to Jalen

531
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Speaker 6: Johnson with the Bear, see if some of those deals

532
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Speaker 6: can get done sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 2: An interesting name on this list to me though, is

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Speaker 2: Justin Amountaweek, the DND tackle for the Baltimore Ravens. He's

535
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Speaker 2: getting ready to see Stone Cole Chris Jones get paid

536
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: and Christian Wilkins get paid, whereas he's locked down in

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Speaker 2: a one year franchise tender. I mean when you're a

538
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Speaker 2: player like him, a young guy who just is coming

539
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: off a fantastic season, and you're gonna see players your

540
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 2: position get paid. Might the Ravens be working on a

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Speaker 2: longer term deal with him to bring him more in

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Speaker 2: line with those guys or is he a player that

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Speaker 2: we're likely to see playout on a one year tag.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the hope is to lock him in

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Speaker 5: a long term deal.

546
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Speaker 6: And you know, this defensive tackle market for years was

547
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Speaker 6: all over the place, right, I mean you had the

548
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Speaker 6: Aaron Donald contract. Then you had a bunch of guys

549
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 6: really low and there just wasn't a lot of structure

550
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Speaker 6: there to kind of help the line deals.

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Speaker 5: And then you had Jeff Simmons.

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Speaker 6: Then you have Quinnin Williams, right, obviously Chris Jones from

553
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Speaker 6: a couple of years ago. This market is getting much

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Speaker 6: more well defined now. My guess is you get through

555
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Speaker 6: free agency, you see where Christian Wilkins ends up. Does

556
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Speaker 6: he get to like twenty three? Does he get to

557
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Speaker 6: like twenty five? That would probably go a long way

558
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 6: in dictating where justin Medabique lands. He's really good and

559
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 6: if he was a free agent, he'd be right with

560
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Speaker 6: Wilkins as being the top defensive tackle. My guess is,

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Speaker 6: you get through free agency, see where the salary slots in,

562
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Speaker 6: and then you say, basically, can we do a deal

563
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Speaker 6: off of these terms? And my guess is both sides

564
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Speaker 6: are pretty reasonable. My guess is something can get done.

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to kind of stay right there

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Speaker 1: because you and I were in Indianapolis. We talked to

567
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Speaker 1: every team, and I'm hearing from multiple teams I need

568
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Speaker 1: defensive tackles. We are in need of them, and there's

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Speaker 1: not a lot of them in this draft. What is

570
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Speaker 1: the buzz when you look at Christian Wilkins and you

571
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Speaker 1: look at maybe if Chris Jones can get to the

572
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Speaker 1: point to where they can start talking to other teams

573
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Speaker 1: where like, is that I guess deficiency that some teams

574
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Speaker 1: are nervous or talking about drive these guys number up

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Speaker 1: potentially during free agency?

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Speaker 6: Well yeah, and you know, the draft is separate from

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Speaker 6: free agency, but it's also kind of not because if

578
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 6: you're a team, like, there's not a ton of top, top,

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Speaker 6: top tier offensive tackles in this freateency market, right, I mean,

580
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Speaker 6: you have a couple Tyron Smith who's now is going

581
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Speaker 6: to be free you're gonna make a really good gonna

582
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Speaker 6: make a really good salary.

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Speaker 5: There's a couple, but not a ton.

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Speaker 6: And you look in the draft and there's like, could

585
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Speaker 6: be like eight first round offensive tackles. So teams would

586
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 6: be like, you know what, if I don't get a

587
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 6: tackle in freateency, I'll probably be okay. I'll probably find one.

588
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 6: Basically the opposite for defensive tackles. You can't find these guys,

589
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 6: Guys like Christian Wilkins, guys like Justin Mattabik, Chris Jones.

590
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 5: You can't get them.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, I think the market drives their

592
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 6: salaries up.

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Speaker 5: And I think if you're the Chiefs, look, the Chiefs

594
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 5: are an awesome team. They're very well rounded.

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Speaker 6: You can't look at what the Chiefs did on defense

596
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 6: and say, eh, they'd be fine without Chris Jones. He

597
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 6: helps make that whole thing go. Teams recognize that. So

598
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 6: it's not only like the Chiefs want to resign Chris

599
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 6: Jones because he's awesome. It's also other teams are like,

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Speaker 6: I need my own Chris Jones.

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Speaker 5: That would help Already.

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Speaker 2: We want you to go out and get in a

603
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: couple rounds of eighteen over the next couple of days

604
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Speaker 2: before the free agency legal tamping period starts on Monday, like.

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Speaker 6: The off season start off season starts next Friday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, brother, Hey, we'll hit him straight,

607
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: hit him straight. Until then. We appreciate you.

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00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 6: Come on, cheer leader, we need you.

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00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 5: Gotta love this man, you gotta love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go, Here we go, Yeah.

611
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Wait, tak, let me tell Nansel throws back of the insol.

613
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: Then once you do something like that, you gotta score.

614
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: I can't come back to the sideline.

615
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: How to touchdown.

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Speaker 2: We'll do this again next week. Man went on three.

617
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: He went to three. James Palmer, we are now joining

618
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: me our Jane Slater and Jane. We saw Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 2: He's got the fresh new go tee. Looks like he's

620
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Speaker 2: at a Kung Fu theater with that new look right there.

621
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Speaker 2: But the big question with the Cowboys is a contract

622
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: extension for Dak. Jerry Jones is kind of like, hey,

623
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Speaker 2: we'll get it done when we get it done. And

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Speaker 2: I just want to know, have there been any conversation

625
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Speaker 2: between the Cowboys and Prescott or his representation real quick?

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Speaker 7: It's funny any information as it relates to Dak, whether

627
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 7: it be the haircut, the tattoos, it goes viral.

628
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 8: He is good for business here in Dallas.

629
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Speaker 7: Napopjarry loves to keep things in the sideline, in the headlines,

630
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 7: right and he's a new dad, a girl dad, so

631
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Speaker 7: very excited for his young daughter, MJ.

632
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Speaker 1: You know.

633
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Speaker 7: Interestingly enough, Steve I reached out to a source and

634
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 7: formed and he told me that there have not been

635
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 7: any discussions with Todd Fritz, Dak's agent.

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Speaker 2: Hmm. So in saying that, then, Jane, what are we

637
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: to kind of what are we to kind of take

638
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: from the fact that there's been no talks right now?

639
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: I mean, is it to something like they're prioritizing we'll

640
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: get to that when we get to it, or do

641
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: you think there's gonna be a sense of urgence? See,

642
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: because Dak right now is about to hold up a

643
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: significant part of their salary cap flexibility because what's his number?

644
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: Around sixty million?

645
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, sixty million, And yes, Steve I was surprised to

646
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 7: learn that Todd France and Dak Prescott's team.

647
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Speaker 8: Rather have not talked with the Cowboys.

648
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Speaker 7: But I want to be careful because I again when

649
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 7: we talked and started the segment.

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Speaker 8: Anything you put out there about Dak goes viral.

651
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that the fact that these two sides

652
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 7: haven't talked is a bad thing. I fully anticipate that

653
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 7: this deal is going to get done, but I think

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Speaker 7: it's going to be closer to August. Now that might

655
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Speaker 7: make you scratch your head, right because you've got the draft,

656
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Speaker 7: and if he's not the future of your franchise, wouldn't

657
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Speaker 7: you want to, I don't know, draft a quarterback, elevate

658
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Speaker 7: Trey Lance, figure out what you're going to do with

659
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Speaker 7: maybe Kirk Cousins, maybe one of those guys out there.

660
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Speaker 7: But that's just not the Cowboy way. I think most

661
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Speaker 7: sides know that this thing is going to get done. Guys,

662
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Speaker 7: it's just Todd France and the cow Boys. If you

663
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Speaker 7: go back to the deal that they had last time, Man,

664
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Speaker 7: this thing got interesting, and remember this one seems like

665
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Speaker 7: it happened at the last hour. But Todd France and

666
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 7: Dak Prescott got exactly what they wanted. Essentially, they wanted

667
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Speaker 7: a shorter deal so they could do what they're trying

668
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Speaker 7: to do right now, maximize the ap y, and they

669
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Speaker 7: also got included in that short term deal a no

670
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Speaker 7: trade clause and a no franchise tag, which is why

671
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Speaker 7: we find ourselves here. I think that as much as

672
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Speaker 7: we say, look, DA's got a lot of leverage because

673
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Speaker 7: of that, I think he's got a lot of leverage,

674
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Speaker 7: mostly because of his durability. With the exception of two seasons,

675
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Speaker 7: he has been very durable as a starter. The thing

676
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Speaker 7: that unfortunately is mudding the waters and making some of

677
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Speaker 7: those complications with some of the negotiating is the two

678
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Speaker 7: and five record in the postseason and then those two

679
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Speaker 7: interceptions against a young Green Bay team at home where

680
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 7: we saw fans going to the exits in the fourth quarter.

681
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Speaker 7: So obviously that was frustrating. But you've got to put

682
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Speaker 7: some pieces around Dak. I think, namely the running back

683
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 7: situation has got to get addressed, and then you've got

684
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Speaker 7: to figure out what you're going to do with Ceedee

685
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Speaker 7: Lamb's contract, because I think we all know an extension

686
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 7: for him is going to be a costly one, and

687
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Speaker 7: I see him being a priority for the future and

688
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Speaker 7: figuring out what they're going to do with him moving forward.

689
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Speaker 1: I would just get this deal done as fast as possible, guys.

690
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Speaker 1: I mean, you live at that sixty million if it's

691
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Speaker 1: free agency, which you're saying, Jane, right, no, tag none

692
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Speaker 1: of that. The number is going to be just as

693
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Speaker 1: big anyway, if not bigger. You look at his age.

694
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Speaker 1: You look at the other quarterbacks this offseason that are

695
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Speaker 1: going to be getting deals. None of them were runner

696
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Speaker 1: up for the MVP this past season, are going to

697
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Speaker 1: be in that right at the beginning of their thirties

698
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Speaker 1: where they could be hitting free agency. It's just, man,

699
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Speaker 1: this is just a wild one to watch as everybody

700
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Speaker 1: just kind of sits on their hands apparently a little bit.

701
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Speaker 1: Another spot that we want to look at, Jane is

702
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Speaker 1: behind Dak Prescott the running back situation. You look what

703
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Speaker 1: they did with tagging Tony Pollard and you look at

704
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Speaker 1: kind of the lack of run game that they had

705
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Speaker 1: as the season went on. What is in your mind

706
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Speaker 1: do you think is going to be the greatest path

707
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Speaker 1: for them to get back on track running the football.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that they need to go in there

709
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Speaker 7: and get a big bodied veteran, right, And you do

710
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Speaker 7: have guys like Derreck Henry. They're out there, Austin Eckler,

711
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 7: DeAndre Swift. There's a lot of free agents running backs.

712
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Speaker 7: We've seen them become devalued in recent years. I always

713
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Speaker 7: just laugh when I think about when they're going through

714
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 7: those contentious contract talks with Ezekiel At a couple years back,

715
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 7: I was told by a source, we don't believe that

716
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 7: Zeke deserves Todd Gurley type money. And I bring this

717
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 7: story up a lot because I remember Todd Gurley was

718
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 7: done shortly after that, and then they sort of regretted

719
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Speaker 7: what they were paying to Zeke in these remaining years.

720
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Speaker 7: And of course then they released him and they wanted

721
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Speaker 7: Tony Pollard to be the heir apparent. Well, Tony Pollard

722
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Speaker 7: had his lowest yards per Carrie. He was not as

723
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Speaker 7: productive as they had wanted him to be. Rico Daddle

724
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Speaker 7: and the guys behind him, Malik Davis, they didn't really

725
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Speaker 7: do much. And so they're allowing Rico Daddele and Tony

726
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Speaker 7: Pollard to go out and test the market.

727
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Speaker 2: Now.

728
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Speaker 7: I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that

729
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 7: maybe Pollard could come back on a reduced salary. But

730
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Speaker 7: I never thought that he was, you know, the number

731
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Speaker 7: one guy. And I say that because of so many

732
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Speaker 7: people that I talk to, a lot of people really

733
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Speaker 7: truly believed why not bring Zeke back on a you know,

734
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Speaker 7: a smaller deal.

735
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Speaker 8: Let him be a third down back, not in every

736
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Speaker 8: down back.

737
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Speaker 7: Now, I'm told they're very high on Jonathan Brooks, the

738
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 7: Texas guy that of course has a Texas alum, I'm

739
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 7: very familiar with guys. He would be a you know,

740
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 7: round two guy for them to target. He's going to

741
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Speaker 7: be one of their thirty visits. So that's someone that

742
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 7: they're high on and at least gives you a sense

743
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 7: of where they're prioritizing picking a running back in the draft.

744
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 7: But I think that running back room just in general

745
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 7: is going to look completely different. And then even if

746
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 7: they go and get running backs guys, we haven't seen

747
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 7: much from Mike McCarthy in his office to suggest that

748
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 7: he's going to run the ball. He's promised that every

749
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 7: year that he's been here, and they've sort of moved

750
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 7: away from it, and you can understand what they do

751
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 7: at times. Right, you've got guys like now Brandon Cooks

752
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 7: and you've got Ceedee Lamb. But I think that's going

753
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 7: to be a very interesting one to watch. Derreck Henry

754
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 7: does work out here in Dallas at Sanders Spitt. I

755
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 7: think he would love to be part of the Cowboys.

756
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 7: But we'll just see what that number looks like. As

757
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 7: the Cowboys always say, they've got only certain pieces of

758
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 7: the pie.

759
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 8: So it's gonna be interesting to see how this works

760
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 8: and if the Cowboys are in fact going to.

761
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 7: Go all in, guys, because some of the moves that

762
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Speaker 7: they've made this year don't give us a lot of

763
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 7: confidence that they are. Because if they work, they get

764
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 7: this dat Prescott thing figured it out sooner rather than later.

765
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's a company might not be able

766
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 2: to offer twelve million dollars to Saquon Barkley or something

767
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: like that because Dak's not done. Jamie got about forty

768
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: seconds here startin gi rid of Tyron Smith is the

769
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: superstar left tackle, but it's definitely gotten up there in age.

770
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: How could the Cowboys address the offensive line to enhance

771
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: that run game and to protect Dak a little bit better.

772
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 7: Look, I think for some people it's probably surprising that

773
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 7: they're moving on from Tyron Smith, but you know, we

774
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 7: saw them at right tackle last year because of the

775
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 7: success that Tyler Smith was having over there. They've done

776
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 7: a good job at drafting offensive lineman. I tell you,

777
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 7: if the Cowboys were smart, they draft another offensive lineman

778
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 7: in the first round. Every time they draft a offensive

779
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 7: lineman in the first round, it tends to work out

780
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 7: pretty good for them. And examples that I would use

781
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 7: Zach Martin, Travis Frederick, and Tyron Smith. I do think

782
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 7: there's a lot of depth for the offensive line in

783
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 7: the draft this year, so let's see where they go

784
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 7: and move there. But they have been able to get

785
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 7: by without Tyron Smith unfortunately here in recent years, and

786
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 7: I think that's been part of the equation as to

787
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 7: why they're moving on here.

788
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. I would say a fascinating offseason, Jane, for the

789
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, but I think it's like every off season

790
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: is a fascinating off season. But I might put this

791
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: one right at the top with the way they're playing

792
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: this staring game with Dak Prescott and Todd France. Jane,

793
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Wonderful to have you.

794
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: We'll have you multiple times before we get to the

795
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: draft here. On the NFL report coming up, Mark Ross

796
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: is going to join us, who was one of those

797
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: guys standing on the field watching the Underwear Olympics. Steve,

798
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: what does he think about measurements in terms of speed

799
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: in these drill compared to just maybe a guy's a

800
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: football player. We'll break all that down during the draft

801
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: of valuations that happen in team rooms. Next on the

802
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: NFL Report.

803
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the NFL Report, Steve White,

804
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: James Palmer JP. We're now joined by Mark Ross, the

805
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: former front offs executive with the Eagles with the Giants,

806
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: also was on the field at the combine last week,

807
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: and give us a bird's eye view. Mark. We've got

808
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff we want to hit you about.

809
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: I mean, we're covering a lot of bases. But I

810
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: want you to go back when you're wearing your Armani

811
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: suits in the front office. You still wear your Armani

812
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: suits when you're wearing him in the front office. And

813
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: we've seen already this week, eight players get franchise tag,

814
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: one player get transition tagged. What goes into the decision

815
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: to tag a player versus extending him or letting him walk.

816
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 9: Well, ideally you do want to extend him, Steve and James,

817
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 9: I mean that's your goal, is that you draft the

818
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 9: good players, and you want to have as many good

819
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 9: players as possible, and then you don't want to get

820
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 9: to this point.

821
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: With your your cap guy and with your.

822
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Speaker 9: Head coach and your owners and your front office staff.

823
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 9: You're saying, Okay, who are the let's identify these players

824
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 9: we know we want to have around and try to

825
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 9: get to that extension a year or two early and

826
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 9: make things work. When you get to this point, you

827
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 9: haven't made it work for one reason or another. So

828
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 9: you know, ideally, I think all of these teams that

829
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 9: just tag their guys they would rather have had extensions

830
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 9: done with them and say, you know, we want you

831
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 9: here for the long haul. Now there are times where

832
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 9: you tag a guy it's like we'll bet on yourself.

833
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 9: Let's see what it gets to at that certain point.

834
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 9: We need another year to see what it is or now.

835
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 9: More so, I think this year has been a ton

836
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 9: of them, you know, where it's almost like a holding

837
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 9: a holding spot for Okay, well let's just put this

838
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 9: on here. Now we couldn't get to where we wanted

839
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 9: to go. Now this buys us more time to get

840
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 9: something done with our guys. So a lot of different

841
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 9: variables guys, but ideally, you know, you don't want to

842
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 9: be at this point if you're any of these teams, Mark.

843
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: I want to stay there real quick. Because you said

844
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: a lot of different variables. How much does the position

845
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: the player plays come into account when you're looking to

846
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: make certain tags, and how much does the landscape of

847
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: that position, whether it be the draft or other free

848
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: agents available play into account when you're trying to figure

849
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: out if tagging is the right way to go.

850
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 9: Well, well, James, you hit on all that. For people

851
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 9: to know that they're different positions, get different number, you know,

852
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 9: they get tagged depending on what it is there. That's

853
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 9: why Michael Parson's got designated, you know, linebacker versus d

854
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 9: n they're the difference and the money there. But yeah,

855
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 9: you always have to look at that and say, all right,

856
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 9: are we willing to let this guy walk? And okay,

857
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 9: let's look at whether we tag this guy or let

858
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 9: him go. What's the free agent market looking at in

859
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 9: the dB spot or versus the draft? And all right,

860
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 9: I know we might lose our guy who's Brian Burns,

861
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 9: but okay, we'll go get somebody else because it's so

862
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 9: robust with the freeze at market or with the draft,

863
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 9: so all of that.

864
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Speaker 1: Goes into it.

865
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Speaker 9: And of course there's premier positions of that you want

866
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 9: to look at to say, well that receiver or corner

867
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 9: is more important than a guard, so we don't want

868
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Speaker 9: to do that. And you know, also it's where your

869
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 9: team is and we're if you're up at the top,

870
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 9: you think you've got Super Bowl aspirations and you've got

871
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 9: this guy that we got to have them for another

872
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 9: year and we're going to make this push, well, then

873
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 9: we got to do it. But if you're we're up

874
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 9: and coming, we need more assets, we need more cap space,

875
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 9: we need more value, then.

876
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 3: You might let them go and you might not tag.

877
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 9: So it's not just the positions, but it's also where

878
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 9: your team is and how you're looking on the horizon

879
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 9: with maybe some young guys you have on the team

880
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 9: as well.

881
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one thing we're going to see these franchise

882
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: tag guys if they go to their offseason workouts, if

883
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 2: they hold in. Remember, guys don't hold out anymore because

884
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: the fines are so excessive being there that that's also

885
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: part of it.

886
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: Mark.

887
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: Now, let's go back to last week in Indianapolis when

888
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: you were at the combine and you came up with

889
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: a fantastic topic that you wanted to discuss. And that's

890
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: the guys who come out and they test, I mean

891
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: they blow things out of the water. And let's look

892
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 2: at some of these dbs, like you know Quinion Mitchell

893
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: out of Toledo, Right, he's someone who's highly rated, as

894
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: it is Nate Wiggins out of Clemson busted a four

895
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: to two eight, right, But how does that compare in

896
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: the evaluation when the tape says like Terry and Arnold

897
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: out of Alabama who ran a four to five, or

898
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: Ernardo Green out of Florida stage he is a four

899
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: to four to nine, so blazing fast times, but by

900
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: today's standards, he's got concrete in his cleats, Like, how

901
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: do you compare like the guys who blow that testing

902
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: out of the water versus due to show up over

903
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: and over again on Saturdays.

904
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 9: That's always a big dilemma for scouts. It always has been.

905
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 9: Now just the numbers have just gotten so insane guys

906
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 9: where a four five, four four nine a few years ago,

907
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 9: five sx years ago is like, man, these guys are flying,

908
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 9: And as you mentioned, it's like, well, these guys are

909
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 9: slow now well though they're not. Those other guys are

910
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 9: just just historically fast, and each year they're getting faster

911
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 9: and faster, and more and more people are getting trained

912
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 9: to run fast and not actually play fast. So that's

913
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 9: when scouts really have to take in consideration of are.

914
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: These numbers real?

915
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 9: And you mentioned Arnold and Green, guys who are just instinctive, heady,

916
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 9: tough football players. When you watch them, really quick, productive,

917
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 9: they do all the things you want as a football player. Now,

918
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 9: Wiggins and Mitchell, I'm thinking when you watch them, okay,

919
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 9: they need a little bit development.

920
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: Maybe not as instinctive.

921
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 9: They may not have the X factors that the other

922
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 9: guys have, but man, here they go and they're running.

923
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: They're blowing this out.

924
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 9: So you're betting on do we over do we value

925
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 9: the better players who may not have the super workout numbers,

926
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 9: or do we value these guys that have this raw

927
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 9: super speed jumping ability but need some development on the field.

928
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 9: And that's where you have to match up what your

929
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 9: scouts are seeing, what your scouts are projecting, and also

930
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 9: with your coaching staff. You always have to match up

931
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 9: will your staff work with those kind of guys, you know,

932
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 9: like a Mitchell and the Wiggins versus you know what,

933
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 9: Arnold and Green they step in the door, they don't

934
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 9: really have to be coached. They're going to be out

935
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 9: there and ball out. They're gonna play fast, They're gonna

936
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 9: do everything you want. Whereas the other guys at hey,

937
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 9: they need some development. And you really have to be

938
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 9: in lockstep the scouting staff and the coaching staff and say,

939
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 9: all right, we got this raw prospect. He's going to

940
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 9: need some development, maybe need some time. Are you going

941
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 9: to work with him? If they say yes, then you

942
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 9: bring him in your building. If they say no, are

943
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 9: a little bit hesitant. That's where a lot of mistakes happen.

944
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 1: Mark, Mark, can you take us inside these draft rooms

945
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: that you've been in. I mean, one name jumps out

946
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: of me because I was following so closely as a

947
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: beat reporter in Houston when DeAndre Hopkins was coming out

948
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: and he runs a four five seven, And I remember

949
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: talking to Keenan McCardell about you, who played the position

950
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: at a brilliant level. He said, oh, he's pigeon toed.

951
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: That's not a great time. But when you actually just

952
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: put on the tape and a guy is a football player.

953
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: That's usually a term that's used in these meetings. Who

954
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: usually pounds the table for certain guys? And how hard

955
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: do you have to do it when the numbers aren't

956
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: what certain people that value numbers really high aren't there?

957
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: How do you convince everybody by just going at the tape?

958
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that's always a tough thing whenever you like

959
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 9: a player and they go do that at the common

960
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 9: Oh my goodness, So I learned that early. You remember

961
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 9: you remember hand Kwon Bolden. I'll take you one back,

962
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 9: even for GA State. When you watch the Pon Bolden play,

963
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 9: that guy was the toughest best player on the field.

964
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 9: Every time he's stepped on the field, he's throwing it,

965
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 9: he's running it, he's returning, he's blocking people. And then

966
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 9: he gets out there and runs a four to seven.

967
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: Something.

968
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 9: Goes to his pro day, I go to his prode

969
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 9: and he runs you know, doesn't it runs slow? Again,

970
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 9: It's like, oh my goodness. Yet you're the draft. Mean,

971
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 9: you're talking about all these things he can do, but

972
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 9: everyone's looking like, well he ran four seven. This guy

973
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 9: can't play, And you know that's first round talent When

974
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 9: you just watched him play. If he never ran, he

975
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 9: probably still would have been but okay, he got pushed

976
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 9: down to the second round because of that forty time.

977
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 9: And you know, it's so when you when you argue

978
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 9: with just about talent and routes and hands or whatever

979
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 9: that position is versus raw number, you can easily say

980
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 9: he's slow by just seeing that number. That's why scouts

981
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 9: love the combine and pro day is because you can

982
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 9: see that raw number, Whereas on the field it's so

983
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 9: subjective to say, no, he actually is fast. So it

984
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 9: really is a battle the whole way. And that's when

985
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 9: you're a scout. You really have to have conviction. You

986
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 9: want to have those scouts with conviction no matter what

987
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 9: the numbers say, this guy can ball. It doesn't matter

988
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 9: how much he how high he jumps, and how fast

989
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 9: he runs on a clock.

990
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 2: I love all this talk about times and stuff because

991
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: Darius Hayward Bay's name just pops into my head to

992
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: another subject. Gonna pick on Darius.

993
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just talk about John Ross.

994
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: I mean that knows Xavier Worthy's the guy now four

995
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: two one.

996
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: Then you don't want to say, well.

997
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 9: Guy's record you meet, he didn't turn out to be

998
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 9: a great prayer, happy for worthy at all of that.

999
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: But no, John real quick mark about forty forty five seconds.

1000
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: You're talking about the measurables versus being a football player.

1001
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: How much does that come into play when you're deciding

1002
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: on the defensive side outside corners versus the slot corner

1003
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: or the slot safety.

1004
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, that slot is so important there where you know,

1005
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 9: you got to almost be more heady when you're outside.

1006
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 9: You know it's not this simple, but hey, just cover

1007
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 9: this guy, you know, go run with him pressed, mug

1008
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 9: him up.

1009
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: Where's inside.

1010
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 9: There's so many more variables that go into play where

1011
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 9: you got to recognize that you gotta be tough in

1012
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 9: there too, because that run game is coming at you quicker.

1013
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 9: You're usually going up against shiftier sort of inside guys

1014
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 9: who are that smart too, So you got to have

1015
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 9: that feel are we dropping his zone and by blitzing?

1016
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 9: So I think there's just so many more things that

1017
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 9: go into that slot position, and it's such a premiere

1018
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 9: position now, you know, each year it's kind of got

1019
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 9: gotten more and more valued of what that guy does

1020
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 9: in there, whereas maybe way back you just say, well,

1021
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 9: he's just a slot corner. But now I mean the

1022
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 9: way teams are throwing the ball. That third spot, that

1023
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 9: slot spot could be your premiere position, your premier spot

1024
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 9: in your secondary So I mean tremendous with the head

1025
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 9: and with the talent right there on the defense for sure.

1026
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: Great stuff, Mark, We appreciate all of this. Inside, we

1027
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: got to have you back along the way again. So

1028
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to put on your your Armani suit

1029
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 2: next time you come on. There you go.

1030
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: We gotta have you stories like the Bolden story. Yes,

1031
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: well we.

1032
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: Will, Mark, start start bagging them up when we come back.

1033
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: We know our own Brian Baldinger is the most interesting

1034
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: man in the world. So we're gonna find out the

1035
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: NFL team that's equivalent to Baldy, to find out what's

1036
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: gonna be the most interesting team of the off season.

1037
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: JP and I are gonna be chopping that up next

1038
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: on the NFL Report.

1039
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: Hey, it's James Palmer and you're listening to the NFL

1040
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: Report podcast along with myself and Steve Weisch. But remember,

1041
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: if you want to see our beautiful faces, this is

1042
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: a show at seven point fifteen Monday and Thursday at

1043
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: seven fifteen pm Eastern, and we are on the NFL

1044
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,400
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1045
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,120
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1046
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,000
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1047
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: Find us all of those spots. Welcome back to the

1048
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve weisch with you as we

1049
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: close things out. We've been missing our old pal, Brian Baldinger,

1050
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: who's just been somewhere on the planet Earth. You won't

1051
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: tell us where. And he's the most interesting man in

1052
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: the world, is Steve alluded to earlier. Most interesting team

1053
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: this offseason, Steve will be who in your life?

1054
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: I've got to I've got the Washington Commanders and the

1055
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders right the Commander's second overall pick. They've

1056
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: got about ninety million dollars to spend in free agency JP,

1057
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: They've got an opportunity to turn this round quickly. The

1058
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: Raiders have nearly fifty million. But what are they going

1059
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: to do at quarterback? What are they gonna do with

1060
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: some of their key positions as their defense rounded out

1061
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: last year? I am really intrigued to do because I

1062
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 2: think these are two teams you'll be talking about beyond

1063
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: the offseason if they get it right.

1064
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: And those are two teams that need a quarterback, I'll

1065
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: talk to a team that's got a lot of cap space,

1066
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: the fifth most in the NFL right now, and has

1067
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: a quarterback in Kyler Murray. How about the Arizona Cardinals.

1068
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: I love six in this draft, seven in the top

1069
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: one oh five, and they have fifty six million dollars

1070
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: to play within that fourth overall pick. I love how

1071
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: Lance talked about. They could be a really interesting spot, Steve.

1072
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: If it doesn't happen with quarterbacks one two three, they

1073
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: can trade back still get the receiver that they're still

1074
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 1: maybe possibly looking for because of this deep wide receiver draft,

1075
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: and accumulate more draft capital. I am watching what Ozzie

1076
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: is doing there. That's what I want to see. What

1077
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: monte Asin Ford is doing, That's what I want to see, Steve.

1078
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: All Right, Look, next week, we only have one show

1079
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: because Monday is the kickoff of the free agency legal

1080
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: tampering period, So we're only going to be on Thursday,

1081
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Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about those free agency signings. JP.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be canning balling off the fifty foot cliff

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Speaker 2: with several guests to talk about the moves that the

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Speaker 2: team made. So until then, I expect you to join

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Speaker 2: Ian Rapidford on the golf course and to knock a

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Speaker 2: couple in from the sixth hole. You next week, I won't.

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Speaker 1: I'll be on the ski slopes.