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Speaker 2: We want to go now to Capitol Hill, where a

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Speaker 2: lot of these conversations are ongoing. I'm pleased to stay

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Speaker 2: joining us on Balance and Power here on Bloomberg TV

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Speaker 2: and Radio's Republican Senator Bill Haggerty of Tennessee. Senator, welcome back,

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Speaker 2: and there's obviously much we'd like to discuss with you,

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Speaker 2: including your new stable coin legislation. But if we could

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Speaker 2: first begin with tariffs, as that has dominated the news

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Speaker 2: cycle in the last several days, how are you viewing

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Speaker 2: what President Trump is actually using these levees for. If

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Speaker 2: it was just to extract concessions from Canada and Mexico,

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Speaker 2: or if this is really about raising revenue to pay

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Speaker 3: Well, the answer is both.

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Speaker 4: But President Trump was very clear when he imposed the revue,

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Speaker 4: when he imposed the tarofts on Canada and Mexico, that

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Speaker 4: they needed to do something dramatic to stop the flow

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Speaker 4: of illegal migrants coming into our country, the flow of

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Speaker 3: Primary and overarching concern.

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Speaker 4: And I've made it clear to my people that reached

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Speaker 3: They need to step up, and frankly they have.

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Speaker 4: President Trump was clear about what he wanted to see happen,

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Speaker 4: and the Mexican government and the Canadian government, we're both

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Speaker 4: stepping up to stop the flow of funnel, to address

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Speaker 4: and to be better partners.

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Speaker 3: That's what he's trying to accomplish, and I think that's

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Speaker 3: what he's achieved.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're, of course a former diplomat senator, as you

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Speaker 1: represented the United States as our ambassador to Canada, so it.

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Speaker 3: Gives you to Japan, forgive me.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about a lot in Canada, a lot

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Speaker 1: here in that period of time. Now, that gave you

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Speaker 1: a unique view on these issues that maybe not all

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Speaker 1: lawmakers have. Are tariffs or threats of tariffs, the new

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Speaker 3: Well, Joe, this is an important piece of context.

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Speaker 4: We've talked about it before, but the United States has

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Speaker 4: basically the lowest trade weighted tariffs in the world. Access

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Speaker 3: There's a historic reason for this.

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Speaker 4: For countries like Japan, countries in Europe whose economies were

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Speaker 4: We should have put some sort of GDP per capital

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Speaker 4: A lot of these countries that don't want to address

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Speaker 3: We're going to fix that.

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Speaker 4: President Trump has been clear about it, and I'm very

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Speaker 2: Well, Senator, if we could leave the diplomatic hat on

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk. And he says he is the President's buy

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Speaker 2: in to dismantle USAID. What does that do to US

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Speaker 4: Well, you've got a lot of significant problems at USAID.

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Speaker 3: I think the time has come. The American public are

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that we will not have AID programs

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Speaker 1: Well, we've seen some pretty interesting exploits on behalf of

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Speaker 1: it's accessing the payment system inside the US Treasury Department. Senator,

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Speaker 4: Well, the special government employee classification is about one hundred

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Speaker 3: And provide special advice for the president.

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Speaker 4: It's a tool that has been used in administration's Republican

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk obviously knows how to come in and streamline

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Speaker 3: Look what he did at Twitter. So I'm very pleased

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Speaker 4: This doesn't require confirmation, it's not that type of position,

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Speaker 4: but he is offering his advice, and President Trump has

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Speaker 3: I've talked with Elon about what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: I think he's got some very creative ideas about bringing

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Speaker 2: But is there a rule for Congress to place to

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Speaker 2: it isn't going to interfere with the Treasury's usual business

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Speaker 4: Well, we certainly have oversight responsibility, Kaylee. We intend to

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Speaker 4: fully exercise that. That's not what I've talked with Elon

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Speaker 4: to stop doing things that aren't advancing us interest, and

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that he's doing it.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of pro clutching going on

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Speaker 3: From all of this, and I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: Well, just wait for the pro clutching to start when

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Speaker 1: With tariffs put aside here, you still have to have

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Speaker 1: What's about to happen.

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Speaker 4: Well, Joe I met with John Thune last night a

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Speaker 3: Again. We know the.

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Speaker 4: I'm much less concerned about. I think the concern is

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Speaker 3: We're going to get it done and we're very focused

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Speaker 2: Senator, I'd like to talk about something else you're looking

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Speaker 4: Sure, and Kaylee, I'll add Senator Tim Scott, the chair

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Speaker 3: We're very excited about it.

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Speaker 3: It's time for us to do so.

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Speaker 4: Look, they're roughly twenty eight trillion dollars worth of stable

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Speaker 3: We need to be a leader here in America.

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Speaker 4: This legislation allows us to do that, and I'm extraordinarily

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Speaker 1: Senator President Trump is hosting Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminett Yahoo today,

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Speaker 1: if you could put your diplomatic hat back on and

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Speaker 1: the time now to preemptively strike Iran while it's on

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Speaker 1: its Are you one of them?

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Speaker 4: Well, Joe, the last thing I'm going to do is

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Speaker 3: But I'll say this, these two.

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Speaker 4: Gentlemen are not afraid to point to the real cause

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Speaker 3: The Middle East, and that is Iran.

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Speaker 4: significantly exposed and weakened Iran.

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Speaker 3: They are not the strong nation that they'd like us

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Speaker 3: to believe they are.

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Speaker 4: And I think you'll see a strong and united American

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Speaker 4: in Israeli front standing up to Iran.

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Speaker 3: But I won't go beyond the specifics at that point.

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Speaker 3: It's good to have you back, Senator.

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Speaker 1: We'll of course be listening when the bilateral news conference

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Speaker 1: begins after five PM. Bill Haggerty, the Republican Senator from Tennessee,