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Speaker 1: Let's go Giants. Dont come on my Giants bubble.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 2: I am John Schmelck. Thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 2: us today.

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Speaker 3: By the way, go back if you have some time

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Speaker 3: and go check out our last episode. We took all

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Speaker 3: of the player interviews from the weekend with Chon O'Hara,

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Speaker 3: Manlin Burke, and the newest members of the Giants, and

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Speaker 3: we put them all together into one podcast so you

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Speaker 3: could easily check them out and listen to it to

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Speaker 3: go check that out. Now, we welcome in our guest

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Speaker 3: Jeff Brisden. He joined us every year during the draft process.

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Speaker 3: He didn't have a chance to talk to him before

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Speaker 3: the draft this year, so I was thrilled to have

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Speaker 3: a chance to talk to him after the draft to

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Speaker 3: get his full take on what the Giants have done.

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Speaker 3: We'll touch on the draft as a whole as well

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Speaker 3: and everything else that happened in the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 3: NFL draft. Jeff, it's great to see you, dude. First

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Speaker 3: of all, tell the folks where you can find all

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Speaker 3: your great work.

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Speaker 4: It's good to be with you again. You can find

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Speaker 4: me at Draft Wire on USA Today. I also run

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Speaker 4: Lions Wire, and you can hear me on various radio

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Speaker 4: things all over the place. So just look me up

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Speaker 4: on Access Jeff Risden, R, I, S, D O, and

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Speaker 4: and you'll find me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all that great stuff on draft Wire, which of

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Speaker 3: course that shows up on USA Today and stuff like

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Speaker 3: that and all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Too, right, Jeff probably absolutely, yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So make sure you guys go check all that out.

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Speaker 3: Jeff joined us every year, does a fantastic job talking draft.

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Speaker 3: So Jeff, let's start at the Giants. They had six

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Speaker 3: it fell pretty well in terms of me. Let's start

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Speaker 3: that first overall pick at six in the first round.

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Speaker 4: They end up taking the league Neighbors.

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Speaker 3: Your thought on Neighbors as a player, and the Giants

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a very impressive player. There were a lot

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Speaker 4: I was not one of those, but he's close enough that,

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Speaker 4: like you get why he was so coveted, got speed, athleticism,

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Speaker 4: ability to run after the catch for days. That's probably

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Speaker 4: my favorite trade of his. He can turn a simple

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Speaker 3: He's thicker, right, He's a thick dude. Yeah, he seems

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Speaker 3: much closer to six to two than he does a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And I was expecting a guy that was like,

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Speaker 4: very good defensive backs across the SEC. There's a whole

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Speaker 4: lot Like Emiligue neighbors. He's a very talented player who

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, Jeff, you love the flexibility too, right

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Speaker 3: Which spot do you like him best at?

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Speaker 4: I like him so as you know, I also cover

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And look, it's necessary to game plan for a

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Speaker 3: You really didn't have that guy on this offense anymore,

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Speaker 3: for a guy like Neighbors, yeah, he can win deep.

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Speaker 3: But to the point you just made, he can catch

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Speaker 3: And when that's the case and you can win in

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Speaker 3: which really, to your point, will allow your whole offense

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Speaker 4: Neighbors, absolutely, and you can create some matchups so some

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Speaker 4: And it sets up very nicely for that sort of

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Speaker 4: he can make the highlight real catch, but he will

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm Jeff one hundred percent with you on that.

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Speaker 3: And I think he's a force multiplier, right, I think

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Speaker 2: There were some giant fans that.

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Speaker 3: Wanted him to go quarterback there in round number one,

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Speaker 3: the top three guys were all gone. According to reports,

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Speaker 2: So they went and picked the player.

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Speaker 3: So you look at the JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix, Bo Nicks,

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Speaker 4: You know, I like JJ McCarthy and I do think

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure that the Giants at six were the

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Speaker 4: And I don't think you want to beat the Atlanta

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk about that too a little bit later.

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Speaker 3: Well, round number two, Jeff Tyler Nuban to the Giants,

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Speaker 3: him in a little bit higher. But the Giants are

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Speaker 2: I think it's easy to argue that Nuban was the

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Speaker 4: Absolutely and specifically for his own and like you said,

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Speaker 4: he needs to see the action. He's not a guy

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Speaker 4: That's not what he does. He's a very smart football player.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the third round here, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: All right, let's jump to Andrew Phillips. You here, pick

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Speaker 3: number seventy. Jeff, and I said this on a lot

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Speaker 3: I had trouble sorting through Day two cornerbacks. I felt

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Speaker 3: I actually ended up with Andrew Phillips, I think, with

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Speaker 3: So the giants kind of picked them, I think where

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're absolutely right, and it was sort of dealer's choice,

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Speaker 4: And that's that's a mindset that you want. He pairs

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Speaker 4: I think he's the guy that's gonna embrace being on

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah. He gets his hands on a lot

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Speaker 4: But you know that you're right. Man. That jumbled Day

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Speaker 3: And I think with his physicality and his spicy in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you want to he does he absolutely, he will hit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and frankly, I still remember going back watching We'll

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Speaker 4: that he's one of those guys, you know, the proverbial.

436
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Speaker 4: He's going to be better as a pro than he

437
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Speaker 4: was in college simply because the college didn't really know

438
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Speaker 4: what they had in him. I will use the analogy

439
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Speaker 4: of George Kittle at Iowa. I am not saying in

440
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Speaker 4: any way that Theo Johnson is going to be George Kittle,

441
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Speaker 4: but that sort of like blossoming at the next level

442
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Speaker 4: where if you did if you just looked at the stats,

443
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Speaker 4: you're like, oh, okay, and then you watch the player like,

444
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Speaker 4: oh all right, I get that again. He's not George Kittle,

445
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Speaker 4: but that sort of like jump in production and ability

446
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Speaker 4: you're going to see more of him, hopefully in New

447
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Speaker 4: York than what he did at I or at Penn

448
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,520
Speaker 4: State rather and uh, you know that's there's a lot

449
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Speaker 4: to like about him. Don't ask him to block out

450
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Speaker 4: in space. That's not what he's going to do. All

451
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Speaker 4: that well, he's not. He's not gonna be an inline

452
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Speaker 4: tight end because he's you know, gonna stand up your

453
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Speaker 4: your defensive end and stay there. He can chip and release,

454
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Speaker 4: he can motion, he can play this sort of an

455
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Speaker 4: h back role if you really wanted to. But he's

456
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Speaker 4: at as best as a as a split out tight

457
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Speaker 4: end receiving weapon, and he can get down the field.

458
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Speaker 4: He can chew up yards really quick with that stride.

459
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Speaker 4: Good football player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the good news he does have the size if

461
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Speaker 3: he's if he's willing to do it to develop into

462
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Speaker 3: a y I think he has the body type to

463
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Speaker 3: do it if if he's able to get in there

464
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Speaker 3: and improve as a blocker, And I think that's a

465
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Speaker 3: big part of it. I think watching him Jeff on tape,

466
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Speaker 3: I didn't quite see the highest that level of athleticism

467
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Speaker 3: that I think we saw from the testing for me.

468
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Speaker 2: I don't you could tell he was a build up

469
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Speaker 2: speed guy.

470
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Speaker 3: I didn't feel like he was a sudden as a

471
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Speaker 3: guy like Kittle, but you certainly see between the size,

472
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Speaker 3: the weight, the wingspan, the testing speed.

473
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Speaker 2: I mean, all the numbers from the jumps.

474
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Speaker 3: To the cones, to the to the agility to the speed,

475
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Speaker 3: we're all good and you hope into a different system.

476
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Speaker 3: You know, you could just see him running those seam

477
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Speaker 3: routes in the NFL all day long with that size.

478
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Speaker 4: And again he's he's going to be able to attack

479
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Speaker 4: in a zone between the linebacker and the safety role

480
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Speaker 4: red zone. You just got yourself a fantastic red zone

481
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Speaker 4: target who can go get the ball. And he does

482
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Speaker 4: go get the ball in there. He's not a guy

483
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Speaker 4: that waits for it. He's he will stretch out and

484
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Speaker 4: make the catch away from his frame. That was one

485
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Speaker 4: of the things that he really did very well with

486
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Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl, and I think that that does translate

487
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Speaker 4: very well to the NFL. Yeah, he's not a dynamic

488
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 4: like off the line guy. He's not gonna he's not

489
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Speaker 4: going to break ankles at the line. He's not going

490
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 4: to be that kind of guy. But you know, I

491
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Speaker 4: thought he was worthy of going in the third round,

492
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Speaker 4: just based on potential an upside to get him in

493
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Speaker 4: the fourth that's a good pick. It's a good pick.

494
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Speaker 4: He definitely helps the Giants out this year and he

495
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Speaker 4: will be a good friend for again for Daniel Jones

496
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Speaker 4: and if Jane Jones eventually moves on, whoever succeeds him

497
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Speaker 4: at quarterback, you always want to have that big, reliable target.

498
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Speaker 4: That's what he can be.

499
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Speaker 3: And then in the fifth round, Jeff, they end up

500
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Speaker 3: going with Tyrone Tracy, who's a really interesting player. You know,

501
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 3: he hasn't played running back a ton but and you

502
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 3: can tell when you watch him he hasn't played running

503
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Speaker 3: back and.

504
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Speaker 2: He's kind of all over the place.

505
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Speaker 3: But he's a fun player to watch, and he's got

506
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Speaker 3: the athletic upside that you like at the position he does.

507
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Speaker 4: And you're you're picking this one strictly on upside, because

508
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Speaker 4: if you're looking at his tape, it's like, okay, all right,

509
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 4: like can you do you have any vision at all?

510
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 4: You know, that sort of thing. But he's he's a

511
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Speaker 4: great athlete. He's a hard worker. He's shown that he

512
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 4: can do a lot of different things for a team.

513
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Speaker 4: He could be a return man, as a guy that

514
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Speaker 4: comes in and with the kickoff change. That's that's one

515
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Speaker 4: of the things that a few teams mentioned and across

516
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 4: the league that they were looking actively for a different

517
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 4: type of return man. You want a guy who's not

518
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Speaker 4: just fast, but has a little bit of wiggle to

519
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 4: him and has a little bit of you know, balance

520
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 4: through contact, and that's something that he does show and

521
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 4: did show him at Produce. So there's there's you know, again,

522
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Speaker 4: you're betting on traits here, you're betting on upside. You're

523
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Speaker 4: betting on your coaching staff being able to develop into

524
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Speaker 4: something more than he's been. And he would I'll say this,

525
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Speaker 4: I don't think he would have been there at their

526
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Speaker 4: next pick. So if they were looking for a guy

527
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Speaker 4: like that, they went and got him when they needed.

528
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Speaker 2: To, I'm with you.

529
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Speaker 3: And then around six, Darius Mussau at a UCLA jack

530
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Speaker 3: and I had not watched him before the draft.

531
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Speaker 2: I went back and watched him after the Giants picked him.

532
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Speaker 3: Fun player, you know, undersized, you know, I think he

533
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 3: waited into two twenty five at the combine.

534
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: His testing speed wasn't good.

535
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Speaker 3: But he's the guy that when I watched him on

536
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: tape maybe the top speed's not great. He looks sudden

537
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Speaker 3: to me like he did have quickness side the side

538
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Speaker 3: he was able to blitz.

539
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Speaker 2: I think he's twitchy. I think he right away.

540
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Speaker 3: You put him on special teams and you try to

541
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Speaker 3: develop him on defense.

542
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's another guy. He's got to learn to rap.

543
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 4: When he hits, he will come up and smack you

544
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 4: in the mouth. But if you're big or get a

545
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 4: stiff arm out, he's kind of gonna be laying there

546
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 4: watching you run past him. So that a guy that

547
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Speaker 4: I think again, special teams, I think you hit it

548
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 4: on the head there. I think that's where he's gonna

549
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 4: make his difference as a nickel backer who comes in

550
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 4: a dime package backer. He has some coverage ability. I'd

551
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 4: like to see that improve a little bit.

552
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Speaker 2: Jeef. That's the thing. I'm sorry for interrupting you.

553
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: It drives me nuts watch in college be over a

554
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty five linebacker that can move, yet

555
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 3: they don't ask him to cover like he's a blitzer

556
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 3: for them. I went, I tried to find coverage snaps.

557
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 4: I couldn't.

558
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Speaker 3: Really, is it the college keeps saying this isn't just

559
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: you know him, college keeps sending these two hundred and

560
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 3: twenty five pounds linebackers of the pros that he didn't

561
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Speaker 3: ask to cover in college.

562
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Speaker 2: What the hell is supposed to do with these guys?

563
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: It's hard.

564
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 4: I don't know. We have one in Detroit and Steel

565
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 4: Chambers as an undrafted free agent. Yeah, why why aren't

566
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 4: you doing what your physical talents should allow you to do?

567
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 4: And that's a college football to pro football transition issue,

568
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 4: and it comes up a lot that comes up with

569
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 4: offensive linemen too, Like you've got an incredibly athletic offensive

570
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Speaker 4: lineman in college and you ask him to just stand

571
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 4: there and absorb, Like, let him go get somebody. I

572
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 4: don't think the college is. That's one of the reasons

573
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Speaker 4: when you're looking at projections of how they translate from

574
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Speaker 4: the college to the pros, it can be very difficult.

575
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Speaker 4: Sometimes the entire UCLA defense is a difficult projection because

576
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Speaker 4: I don't think that they played.

577
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Speaker 6: A very to say that it's I actually like Jim

578
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 6: Kelly too, but they don't play a style that's very

579
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Speaker 6: conducive for a lot of their players to translate to

580
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Speaker 6: the next or to see how they translate to the

581
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Speaker 6: next level because they're just sort of okay, all right,

582
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 6: you know.

583
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 4: I don't get it.

584
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Speaker 2: Like you watch his skill set and his agility. He

585
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: looks like a guy that should be able to cover you.

586
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 3: We just haven't seen him really do it, which is

587
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: why it's frustrating for me at least.

588
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and upside is there. He's not super fast.

589
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 4: He's not long speed fast two or three steps though

590
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 4: he's pretty good. He's pretty sudden on that he will

591
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: and again he will come up and hit you. He

592
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: does have some pop behind his pasts. He does sink

593
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 4: his weight pretty well. He's just got to learn to

594
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Speaker 4: rap and be a little bit more. One thing that

595
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 4: I did notice he will overrun the point of attack

596
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 4: and run defense. I think that's gonna be something that

597
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 4: he's got to get either coached out of him or

598
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 4: just you know, put him in, put him where he

599
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 4: doesn't have to cover both ways, where he can just

600
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Speaker 4: go to one spot and sit there. If you remember

601
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 4: Jared Davis, Jared Davis had that same sort of problem.

602
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 4: I see him as sort of a poorer man's Jared Davis,

603
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 4: which you know probably doesn't go over all that well.

604
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 4: But there's a fit for that, and hopefully he'll he'll

605
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: he'll improve on the things he needed to improve on

606
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 4: a niche where there he look. Late round picks, you

607
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 4: gotta find one thing that you offer the team that

608
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 4: nobody else does on your roster. If he finds that,

609
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 4: he'll stick and play for a little while.

610
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Speaker 3: I remember Jared Davis I think was a first round pick, right, Jeff,

611
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: if I recall.

612
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: Correctly, yes, he was in Detroit. It did not go well.

613
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Speaker 3: So I don't think comparing a sixth rider to a

614
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Speaker 3: first round there will will necessarily get Giant fans two upset.

615
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Speaker 2: I think that's okay.

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Speaker 3: more at citizensbank dot com. All right, Jeff, let's talk

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Speaker 3: about the draft in general before we get the classes.

624
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Speaker 3: Just some of your individual picks or players that you

625
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: thought would the really good spots or you thought were

626
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: really good value throughout the draft.

627
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'll actually start with a second round pick,

628
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: Johnny Newton to Washington. To me, he was the best

629
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Speaker 4: defensive player in this draft. H and the fact that

630
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Speaker 4: he fell to the second round. I watched him and

631
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: it was like I was watching Gerald McCoy tape back

632
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 4: in his day of number three overall pick. He's so disruptive.

633
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: He is an attack dog. Really really good fit. I

634
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 4: really like that one. You know.

635
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Speaker 3: The funny thing is like the one position that Washington

636
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: actually had players at, but it was such good value

637
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 3: they had to pick the player because he was sitting

638
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: there like a sore thumb.

639
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Speaker 4: Yeah. And it's from what I've gathered from talking to

640
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 4: to people who cover some other teams, it was like

641
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 4: he was always like playing b at their spot from

642
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 4: like fifteen through thirty. But they got their playing a

643
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 4: The way that played out very chalky, you know, like, Okay,

644
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 4: all these guys sort of went Other than a couple

645
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 4: which we'll get to, it was very predictable. And I

646
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 4: you know, I like Joe All as an example, Joe

647
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: All going to a Jim Harbaugh coach team. Come on, now,

648
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 4: what a fit? Like? I know, it's a number five

649
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 4: overall pick, and you're gonna like these things. But that's

650
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 4: a really good fit for the Chargers. And yes they

651
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 4: do already have Ray Shawn Slater, but you're gonna give

652
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert a bookend tackles like that for a long time.

653
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: That allows you don't have to worry about your offensive line.

654
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 4: Now you're good, Like I like that sort of mindset

655
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: with with that. Neighbors to the Giants is one of

656
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 4: my more favorite picks. I really liked Romo Dunzie going

657
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 4: with Kleb Williams to the Bears, Like I was not

658
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: the biggest Kleb Williams guy, Jaden Daniels with my number

659
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: one quarterback. But if you're gonna make Caleb Williams work,

660
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 4: you better have guys like Romo Dunzee who can make

661
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 4: ridiculous catches. I'll tell you a quick story. I went

662
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 4: to the Washington game at Michigan State this year just

663
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 4: watching a Dunzee warm up on the sidelines, like intentionally

664
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 4: having their backup quarterback throw him passes that are just like,

665
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 4: go catch that at your shoetops, go catch at over

666
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 4: the linebacker who's not even looking like and he made

667
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 4: it all look easy and great, and he's got he's

668
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: got a fun personality. So I really like that pick.

669
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: Did you have a Doomsay or Neighbors high on your board?

670
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Just at a curiosity, I had a Dunes.

671
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: Say they were one was a in migrating scale. I

672
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: used the graty scale that our Lands scouting does. That's

673
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 4: kind of how I was brought up. They were one

674
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: point point zero one apart. So there it's like, you know,

675
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: dealer's choice that they're both got fantastic, fantastic prospects not

676
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: to not to you know, poor Salt on the nfcast.

677
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: I really like Quinnon Mitchell to the Eagles. That's the guy.

678
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: He compares very well to Darius Slay. He's Darius Slay

679
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: two point oh. He's got Darius Lay one point oh

680
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 4: for at least a year to teach him how to

681
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 4: be that good of an NFL player. I really liked

682
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: that pick.

683
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: A good fit, honestly, Jeff, I saw Star for Dugney again.

684
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: But I thought you mentioned Washington Philly are ready. I

685
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: thought I thought all four NFC East teams honestly had

686
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: really good drafts fitting needs and value with a lot

687
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: of their picks, which which I wish I wasn't saying that,

688
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: but I think if feeling on Cooper Degene in round two,

689
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: which is an unbelievable ad. Washington had such volume and

690
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: then Dallas got the offensive lineman they need. I know,

691
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: you'll probably be more Shawn nelan guy being from your

692
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: midwestern area, right.

693
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he's he's from a local high school here,

694
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: got one high high school and gran Rapids, Michigan, which

695
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 4: is not too far from where I live. Good player,

696
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: probably not a high end player, but a good fit.

697
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 4: And Cooper bb Man. I loved Cooper.

698
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: I had a second round right off.

699
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 4: Him, so I did too. I would have been okay

700
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: if the team took him in the first. Quite honestly,

701
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 4: his his He will come in at a Pro Bowl

702
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 4: caliber level. And it reminds me so much of when

703
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 4: they got Martin down there, like everybody overthought him, and

704
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 4: they overthought Cooper bb too.

705
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 5: So you're ready for a change. Pay day comes early

706
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 5: with citizens, So go to that retreat. Knew you move

707
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 5: to the country. Now you're raising goats and launching a

708
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 5: lifestyle brand. Are you ready for all that life brings?

709
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: And like a couple of years ago. I was not

710
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: a big fan of the Tyler smith pick. I thought

711
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: he was raw. I thought he was heap, his hands

712
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: roll over the place. And you could say the same

713
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: stuff about Tyler Goyton in some ways right.

714
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: Where he his hands did a lot of work.

715
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: But the Cowboys at this point, I think you have

716
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: to trust him to be able to develop offensive line.

717
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: And because they've done such a good job of it

718
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: over the last.

719
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: They have shown that. I was with you. Goton wasn't

720
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: even in my top sixty players.

721
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Wow, he was that low for you.

722
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 4: Huh. I just I he didn't have the focus with

723
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: his hands, with his feet, he's all over the place

724
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 4: now again when he did put it together at times, Okay,

725
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: all right, I like it. It's good, but I'm worried about him.

726
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 4: But he did go to a place like to your point,

727
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: they have a good offensive line coach and they have

728
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: a good they have a good sense for who can

729
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: work with their offensive line, and I think that's that's

730
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 4: an asset that they've got. The Unfortunately, Giants have to

731
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: go up.

732
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: Against any other players or classes that that really stood

733
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: out to you.

734
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 4: You know, I'm gonna give I'm gonna give my Detroit

735
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: Lions a little bit of love. Terry and Arnold trading

736
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 4: up for him was the number one defense player on

737
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: their board. I loved him. He was a top fifteen

738
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 4: prospect for me. The biggest weakness on their team was

739
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: outside cornerback. They went and addressed it. So I'm very

740
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: happy with that. He's he's he's got flair and that's

741
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: something that that secondary needed. That's a good one.

742
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: You know the funny things, Jeff.

743
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 3: Last year, everyone, oh, you know Jamior Gibbs and Campbell

744
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: they worked out. There were such great picks, and I

745
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: was sitting here saying, yeah, they were good picks, but

746
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: they could have drafted a corner and they really needed

747
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 3: one of those. So we'll see if it was good

748
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: long term. But now I feel like getting Arnold this year,

749
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: and then they got Ricky Straw later on. Right, If

750
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, second round picked up two corners this year.

751
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: It makes last year's pick league even better because you

752
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: made up for what you didn't pick with those picks

753
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: in last year's first and second round.

754
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: So I'm with you.

755
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: I thought the lines did a really nice job picking

756
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: up both those guys.

757
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 4: Hopefully it translates to the field.

758
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: Fingers crushed, except when they play the Giants go ahead.

759
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: Well yeah, obviously for you all, but yeah, that's I'm

760
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: trying to think. Who. Also, I thought Kansas City did

761
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: a pretty good job of maximizing their draft value for

762
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 4: where they were at. Again, I'm not necessarily crazy about

763
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: all of their picks, but I think they got guys

764
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 4: where they should have gone they didn't reach, And they've

765
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 4: had like taken Fau last year and he barely played

766
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 4: as a rookie. You know, they've had some Regent Clyde

767
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 4: Edwards Hilaire is like, what are you doing like that?

768
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: That's a that's a third round guy you're taking in

769
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 4: the first round. I thought they did a very good

770
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 4: job of finding guys who fit what they want when

771
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 4: they needed to get it.

772
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: So I thought Sumataeo was a very good value at

773
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: the end of round too. I know he had some

774
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, maybe personality stuff that some teams were a

775
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: little wary of, but much like Geyt and you know

776
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: him and Guiding, I didn't have that far away from

777
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: each other on my board, to be I thought they

778
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: were similar to it a Morgan kind of in that neighborhood.

779
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: With them too.

780
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: I had them more like beginning into the first round,

781
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: beginning of the second. But again, just a really big

782
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: guy with just so much physical ability that you just

783
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: have to hone in on a little bit.

784
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Sue Am, I thought you is a guy

785
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 4: who he could be your starting red card for a

786
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: long time if he ever learns how to get his

787
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 4: One of the things that you noticed in watching BYUSA,

788
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 4: but it was very true the Senior Bowl too. He's

789
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 4: so tall in his stance on the snap, even in

790
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 4: a two point stance. It's like, wow, man, like, just

791
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 4: sink that down because he's he's a big dude, but

792
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 4: he's not like freakishly tall, freakishly big like that, so

793
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 4: they can work on that. That's good. Glad you brought

794
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 4: up Jordan Morgan. That's another one Packers got a They

795
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: got a really good player there. I think a lot

796
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: of folks put it out of mind that he missed

797
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. He came back, he was he has

798
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 4: He had the best tape against Latu Latu, who's a

799
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 4: very good football player. And I like that pick too,

800
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 4: But Jordan Morgan is gonna be really good in Green Bay,

801
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 4: which you know, unfortunately we're fluffing up all these NFC

802
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 4: teams by and large, they had they had come drafts.

803
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: Man, how about like day three?

804
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: How about like day three guys that you kind of

805
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 3: fell in love with and you just think are gonna

806
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: be good players that are gonna make it.

807
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I will go back to my Lions real

808
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: quick on that. Christian Mahogany out of Boston College was

809
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 4: the guy that I would have been happy if they

810
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: took him in the second absolute snow plow of a

811
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 4: run blocker, wasn't gonna fit a zone scheme, but for

812
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 4: a gap power scheme like the Lions run, He's going

813
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: to be fantastic for that. So that's the guy that

814
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 4: I really liked.

815
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: The lines that one of the players really late that

816
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: they ended up trading back in for not not the

817
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: game from British Columbia there was, so they give to

818
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: someone to Mahogany very closely.

819
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

820
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah the running back right, well or is he safety?

821
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 3: You will have to find out.

822
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he will be a running back. He will

823
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 4: play special teams a lot, So that'll that'll be an

824
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: interesting one. I'm trying to think about the day three

825
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 4: guys that I liked. I can't excuse me because I

826
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 4: do prep on this too. I liked what the Texans

827
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 4: did on Day three better than I will what they

828
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 4: did on day one. Day two. They didn't have a

829
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 4: Day one pick, but they got some players that I

830
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: think are going to be helpful there. And you know,

831
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: that's a team they're poised to go up with c. J.

832
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 4: Stroud and getting a supporting cast around him. And I

833
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 4: thought they did a pretty good job this on Day

834
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 4: three of the draft. Honestly, you know, oh.

835
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: You know what I was thinking of.

836
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: I thought Makai Wingo and the Sand was great value

837
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 3: for Detroit. That's why I was trying to remember. I

838
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: had him as like an early third round pick. I

839
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 3: thought he was a really good player.

840
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, his problem is that he's you know what, six

841
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: one and a half in two hundred and eighty pounds.

842
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: That's a very hard size. But if you've got a

843
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 4: plan for a guy like that, you can make that work.

844
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 4: Hopefully Detroit comes up with a plan for.

845
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: That absolutely, all right, What were some of the moves

846
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 3: or picks or classes that kind of had you scratch

847
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: on your head a little bit?

848
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 4: Well, you gotta start with the Atlanta Falcons. I mean,

849
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I can't help, but lath that they took.

850
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 4: They took Michael Panics junior at number eight, just after

851
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 4: they gave Kirk Cousins all that money. They can not

852
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 4: get out of Kirk Cousins deal for at least two

853
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: more years, and they didn't tell Kirk Cousins that it

854
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 4: was gonna happen, Like, how do you screw up that badly?

855
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 4: I like, I generally like Terry Fonto. I think he's

856
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 4: done a pretty good job of assembling a core talent there.

857
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 4: But my goodness, that's like that's the sea. Their division

858
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 4: is there for the taking. Like the the NFC South

859
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 4: is pretty wide open. I don't think Carolina is close yet.

860
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 4: But New Orleans, Tampa Bay Okay, yeah, Tampa Bay is

861
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 4: pretty good football team, but they're not that team. If

862
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 4: you get you get Romo Dunzie there, you get you

863
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 4: get Brock Powers there, play Brock Powers with Kyle Piss.

864
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 4: That'd be a lot of fun.

865
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get Byron Murphy one of the pass rushers, Like.

866
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, get a lot to get get Dallas Turner.

867
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 4: Like everybody thought they were going to do get Quinnon, Mitchell,

868
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 4: get Terry and Arnold like, there were so many other

869
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 4: ways that they could have helped their football team challenge

870
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 4: for a division title and a home playoff game or

871
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 4: two in twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five, and they

872
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: threw that all away for a an I was, I

873
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 4: have to do it. I was not a Michael Penni's guy.

874
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: The injury scare the tar out of me. Four separate

875
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 4: season ending injuries at Indiana. I know he avoided them

876
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 4: at Washington, but that's one of the reasons why he's older.

877
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: That's one of the reasons why he adopted adapted his game.

878
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 4: And everybody at the Common was like, oh wow, he

879
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: can run. Yeah, he ran a whole lot Indiana and

880
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 4: look what it did for him. It kind of thurned

881
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 4: your guild. You know, two separate shoulder separations that required

882
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 4: a surgery. Two separate is the l's that require Like,

883
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 4: I'm not a fan of that pick at all.

884
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: And you know, you have to think about it.

885
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: And this is the point that Daniel Jeremiah made on

886
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: the Move the Sticks podcast, which was a good one.

887
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: You know, if you really love Panix and you want

888
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 3: to pick him an eight. Fine, you should have known

889
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: that when you got the free agency, right, Like, at

890
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: that point, your hay should have been pretty much in

891
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 3: the barn. Your combine is done, You've watched all the tape,

892
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: the senior balls in the bag. If you really love

893
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: Penis that much, you feel really good he's going to

894
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 3: be there at eight, that no one's gonna pick him

895
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: ahead of you, right, Why would you then spend all

896
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: that money on Cousins. That's why it almost feels like

897
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: this is one of those like maybe it was an

898
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: ownership pick or something. It just it seems like a

899
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: really weird decision for the front office if they knew

900
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: they loved Penis that early in the process to go

901
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 3: out there to to to to pay Cousins and then

902
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: you know, draft him eight.

903
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: I don't know.

904
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: To me, I feel like something in the decision making

905
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: process is missing, and I've been trying to figure it out,

906
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 3: and I don't have a real good answer, to be

907
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 3: honest with you, I don't either.

908
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: That's one that you saw the shot of their draft

909
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 4: room and Arthur Blank coming up, and you know, like, hey,

910
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: what what happened here? I think I think that was

911
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 4: a very appropriate action for him. Yeah, that's I just

912
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: don't get that one man some other classes. So in general,

913
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 4: I liked what the Pittsburgh Steelers did, like Trey Fatana

914
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: home run, the fact that they took all those offensive

915
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 4: linemen that that's a little bit of overkill. There might

916
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: might be an overreaction to not having it because they

917
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 4: took a couple last year and those guys are bad. Like,

918
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 4: if they all can play together, that's great, but there's

919
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 4: a couple of guys who are very redundant with one another,

920
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 4: and I'm not sure that that's they had other needs.

921
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 4: I know. I know Steelers fans will tell you that

922
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 4: they didn't really have any needs at all. That the

923
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 4: best team in football, and you know that shouldn't be

924
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: ever questioned. But I say that I'm a Clevelander, so

925
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 4: I have a little bit of an attitude about that.

926
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 4: They got good football players. I just I struggle to

927
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 4: see how they all fit into their grand scheme of things.

928
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: So you know, I wouldn't hate it if I was

929
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: a Steelers fan, but I would I would stand a

930
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: question like is there a plan on how all these

931
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 4: guys are gonna work?

932
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: And I will say they definitely drafted to their brand man.

933
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: They drafted a bunch of big, bruising, physical guys, even

934
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: Roman Wilson, Right, he's a guy that blocked the line

935
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: of Michigan playing for Jim Harbaugh. So they certainly drafted

936
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: to the personality that I think Mike Tomlin wants to

937
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 3: have for his team, and that's.

938
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: That's what they do. Another one that I wasn't I

939
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 4: thought Seattle hit a home run with their first round pick,

940
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: and the rest of their draft was like, oh, now,

941
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 4: they didn't pick a lot, but I don't know about

942
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 4: this guys, Like, there was every spot there was like

943
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 4: four or five other guys that were available that I

944
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: would have taken over the guys that they took. And

945
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: that's that's sort of a stilted way to look at it,

946
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: and you know, it's ejecting my opinion on their draft,

947
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 4: and that's not fair to their draft because I'm not

948
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: a Seattle Seahawks officionado. I don't know everything about that team,

949
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 4: but I just felt like they could have done better

950
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 4: than what they did, so you know, and uh, in general,

951
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 4: I'm also not a fan of drafting punters or kickers,

952
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 4: and they did go I will say joshuaccarty will record

953
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 4: the kicker from Arkansas who went. They're phenomenal prospects as kickers,

954
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: but I just I really don't like drafting them.

955
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Tory Taylor went, you know, from Iowa, who

956
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 3: certainly pumped it a lot there.

957
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: I mean that, that's for sure.

958
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 4: He had a lot of un He was their offensive MVP.

959
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 4: They didn't name him that, but he should have. Bet

960
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: he was really really good at it. Great again, great punter.

961
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 4: Just the difference between having the best punter in the

962
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: league and the fifteenth best punter in the league is

963
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 4: kind of negligible.

964
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: All right, bowys, say goodbye.

965
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: Give me just any final thoughts you have on the

966
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 3: on either the Giants or the draft class, the NFC.

967
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: Anywhere you want to take this to the floor is yours.

968
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think I really like the Washington

969
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 4: Commanders draft class. I don't do draft grades. They would

970
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 4: have gotten the highest draft rate if I had one.

971
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 4: And we talked a lot about Philadelphia and Dallas. The

972
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 4: Giants are in a spot where they're looking up and

973
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 4: the teams that are above them got better. So I

974
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 4: would say my message to Giants fans would be be patient.

975
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 4: With your guys because you've got some good football players,

976
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 4: you have potential coming and like your window is different

977
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: than theirs, and judge your window on what your window is.

978
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 4: And I think that that's a good spot to start.

979
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 4: But the overall fun draft, there's twenty twenty five stuff

980
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 4: coming out already. I'm not ready for that yet. I

981
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: will start watching couple days, but until then, so I'll

982
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 4: say is you guys are my last media appearance of

983
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty four NFL Draft, and I'm I'm very

984
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 4: happy to be on with you, but I'm also happy

985
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 4: that this is over. It's yeah, a long slog.

986
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: Me too.

987
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 3: We have our final episode of our draft season podcast

988
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: next week. Tony Tony Pollie and I do that and

989
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: we're recording on Friday, and that is our look ahead

990
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five. So the last two days, Jeff,

991
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 3: I actually have been watching guys for the twenty twenty

992
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 3: five draft.

993
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: Oh God, bless you.

994
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: And then I'm gonna put it aside for like a

995
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: month and a half and be like, all right, I'm

996
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: gonna go watch them OTAs and watch them NFL football

997
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: for once, and I don't have to worry about watching

998
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 3: college guys. But look, when it comes to the draft,

999
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 3: as you well know, the process never ends. Is there's

1000
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: always one more guy to watch, which is why it

1001
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: kind of makes it fun in a lot of ways,

1002
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1003
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 4: I am secretly looking forward to watching a lot of players.

1004
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 4: So when I watch college football, I tend to focus

1005
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 4: on the players that are gonna be draft eligible. So, like,

1006
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 4: I'm aware of who a lot of these guys are

1007
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: that are that are being mocked in the two early mocks,

1008
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 4: but I haven't really studied them. So I'm kind of

1009
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 4: curious that, like, oh, all right, let's see let's see

1010
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 4: what we got in quarterbacks, Let's see what we got

1011
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 4: in defensive linemen. See some of these offensive war daddies

1012
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 4: up front. So I'm kind of ready for it too.

1013
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 4: It's hard to pride myself away, but I need the

1014
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: downtime because I'll tell you what, watching tape of all

1015
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 4: these guys who are gonna be undrafted free agents. You

1016
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: know the number, the number four hundred and forty eight

1017
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 4: player on the consensus big board, and sadly I know,

1018
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 4: I like I could tell you a lot about him.

1019
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 4: I'm ready for that to be done. So I really

1020
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: loved the twenty four draft season. I appreciate all the

1021
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 4: fans who you went along for the ride, and we're

1022
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 4: ready for more but a little break.

1023
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: Jeff Risdom from Draft Wire find them on X Jeff.

1024
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: We appreciate the time, man, Thanks so much for joining

1025
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: us on the Giants Little Podcast.

1026
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me appreciate it.

1027
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: It was brought to you by Citizens, the official bank

1028
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Speaker 3: of the Giants. I'm John Schmelk. Enjoy your weekend. We'll

1029
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 3: see you next week. Everybody