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Speaker 1: As we lead you into Jaguar a week here at
Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. It's kind of gloomy when it's rainy,
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's really gloomy. It's good for the lakes.
Speaker 1: What's the word they use in England. It's a glommy
Speaker 1: or something like that. I'm not gonna weather. I don't
Speaker 1: like this. Guys were experts. We've been to London. We've
Speaker 1: got you we are. I mean, you enjoyed London. But
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of friends over there that probably
Speaker 1: don't use that word glammy, glommy. I don't think our
Speaker 1: friends in England can fill us out. They're listening to
Speaker 1: help out. Jamie right, help us outwer to predict the
Speaker 1: first two minutes of the show. I didn't think we'd
Speaker 1: go there. Rain talk Rain, and I've heard gloomy, yeah, England, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I have heard gloomy before. And we're going to take
Speaker 1: the gloom off what we saw on Sunday night, aren't
Speaker 1: we Are we going to move on and we move
Speaker 1: on to Jack a lot of powers. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if I can do that. You watch Monday night
Speaker 1: football as I did. I did too. Drew Brees is incredible.
Speaker 1: He is incredible. That's right. He's been a winner every
Speaker 1: level of football, high school and Joe State championship at
Speaker 1: Texas Stadium in nineteen ninety six. It didn't seem that
Speaker 1: long ago, did it, But he's pad hell. He probably
Speaker 1: made perdual, he did. Joe Tilder and him were a
Speaker 1: really good pair together Perdue. You know, it was okay,
Speaker 1: and then Drew comes along and they went a lot
Speaker 1: more games, and they should have with him playing, and
Speaker 1: look what he's done, you know with his career. Give
Speaker 1: Sean Payton a lot of credit on this one too.
Speaker 1: There was kind of some you know, Sean was starting
Speaker 1: out with the Saints and needed a quarterback, and lo
Speaker 1: and behold there's one sitting on your doorstep that he
Speaker 1: just went out and got and and good for him.
Speaker 1: That's what you gotta do. You got to get those
Speaker 1: difference makers like that. Always the story of the Dolphins
Speaker 1: headed say yeah, shoulder, shoulder, Yeah, his physical Yeah, they
Speaker 1: failed very much like the doctors in Green Bay failing
Speaker 1: Larry Allen physical. Yeah, I've told that story before. You know,
Speaker 1: if you haven't heard it, that Ron Wolf used to
Speaker 1: remind the doctors every day when we played the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You see that guy over there at number seventy three,
Speaker 1: he's going to kill us today. That's the guy you
Speaker 1: failed on physical. So yeah, yep. Well Drew Brees killed
Speaker 1: it again last night. And in case you did miss it,
Speaker 1: was he became the NFL's career passing yardage leader all time.
Speaker 1: And the Redskins, despite a forty three to nineteen loss
Speaker 1: to the Saints last night, still lead your NFC East
Speaker 1: with a two and two record due to a bye
Speaker 1: the week before. That's why to come off a bye
Speaker 1: Redskins try, they were ready, they were ready to roll. Gosh,
Speaker 1: that was That's just a difficult team to play. We
Speaker 1: all know that. We've we've all seen it. We've all
Speaker 1: seen the Saints where we get thirty eight first downs
Speaker 1: on us one day. Yeah, we've all sat there and
Speaker 1: watched that nightmare to have to deal with, especially when
Speaker 1: they got Ingram back and Chamara roll. That's that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a tough team. Yep, and you're playing that Division two.
Speaker 1: In fact, they talk that the Saints might be up
Speaker 1: there giving the Rams a run for their money. Gone
Speaker 1: down the road, we'll see. Now, did I hear this
Speaker 1: right after? Like they he set the record with the
Speaker 1: touchdown pass. It was like sixty two yards or something.
Speaker 1: And if it was like it was staged, I mean
Speaker 1: they were talking about they show they showed bust the coverage.
Speaker 1: They show the Breeze family as they make their way
Speaker 1: down on the sideline just prior to that place. Sweet Yes,
Speaker 1: And he was thirty five yards away from breaking the record,
Speaker 1: and so they wanted to add the family down there
Speaker 1: on the field whenever he did set the record. And
Speaker 1: so when they came back from commercial, they're showing the
Speaker 1: Breeze family as they head down and then there's thirty
Speaker 1: five yards away and it's the very first play there's
Speaker 1: a wide open receiver. It was like it was a
Speaker 1: movie script and it was just staged. It was even
Speaker 1: even the guy, the head of the Pro Football Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, Dave BA Baker, Babe Ruth, he was down
Speaker 1: already with the gloves by the way, That's what I said.
Speaker 1: It's the first sign. I thought they were going to
Speaker 1: hand him the Stanley Cup with those gloves on, like
Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup guy. I mean, why does he have
Speaker 1: to d he ends in the ball? He's got the
Speaker 1: gloves on, is he? No? He had it because they
Speaker 1: gave him the sign. Maybe they didn't want the sign
Speaker 1: to have fingerprints. I I guess. I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I see David Baker there and I said, thinking,
Speaker 1: this is the first time a player has been inducted
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Favor during a game. So anyway,
Speaker 1: did did I hear this right? Because you know, they
Speaker 1: carried on for a while right before they resumed play.
Speaker 1: But when the Saints all went out there to celebrate
Speaker 1: marching in, they gave him a fifteen yard penalty for
Speaker 1: did not. I could have swear they kicked off from
Speaker 1: the twenty. We don't have to guess. We can look
Speaker 1: at ut I heard him say that. Now, maybe I
Speaker 1: maybe something else happened. I don't know what they're going
Speaker 1: to stop the game. I don't they I mean, they
Speaker 1: can't give him a penalty for that, can They are
Speaker 1: excessive celebration when all the team runs out on the field.
Speaker 1: I think that's my what it was. And then they
Speaker 1: did the jumping up and down the who's the official
Speaker 1: last night? I'd even see it, didn't notice it was
Speaker 1: the jumping up and down the deal? Well did you
Speaker 1: see that? All? Right? Here you go? Um oh, it
Speaker 1: was a penalty on Michael Thomas unsportsmanlike conduct fifteen yards
Speaker 1: in force between downs and then okay, so he must
Speaker 1: have done something. He got in someone's face. He and uh,
Speaker 1: he and Josh Norman had an interesting Twitter exchange after
Speaker 1: that game. Basically like he called Thomas, called him out
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, you're a zone corner, get out of here.
Speaker 1: You don't play any man carriage and you're not and
Speaker 1: you're not good enough to travel with anybody, basically is
Speaker 1: what he's saying. So we will speculate that he did
Speaker 1: something to Josh Norman. Okay, I would speculate, Yes, I
Speaker 1: said they didn't do that. So the result is somebody else,
Speaker 1: by the way, that was playing a lot of zone
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Uh, what was Ramsey if you walked Jacksonville. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get to get on their defense today. I appreciate
Speaker 1: the heads up on that. I was watching the game
Speaker 1: the second half. He was playing five to ten yards
Speaker 1: off the line of scrimmage. You know, they showed at
Speaker 1: one point right man the man right coverage, but after
Speaker 1: that he was backing off the whole time. It looked like,
Speaker 1: you know, it looked like seeing how fast Tyreek Hill runs. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know I have something to do with that. I
Speaker 1: think we saw it last last year here. But if
Speaker 1: you're gonna challenge verbally before the game, don't be playing
Speaker 1: seven yards off the line of scrimmage. I think he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be playing seven yards this week scrimmage. It's
Speaker 1: gonna it'd be interesting to see when you when we
Speaker 1: study the Jacksonville if they in fact, though, where do
Speaker 1: you put him where? You know? Do you if? Now?
Speaker 1: Some teams will take there what they feel like is
Speaker 1: their most challenged receiver challenge meaning ability wise, and they'll
Speaker 1: put him to that side of the field to make
Speaker 1: him have to cover and then you attack everybody else
Speaker 1: say this, but it's I don't made it. So the
Speaker 1: Coupboy's gonna put all their receivers to his side. That's true. No, no,
Speaker 1: but but you know, but it's something you have to
Speaker 1: think about. Okay, do you you do? You? It's kind
Speaker 1: of like when it's like teams moving Clowney around? Do
Speaker 1: you do you play Clowney over Tyrn Smith an entire
Speaker 1: game and have him maybe get one or two pressures
Speaker 1: or do you move him around to where he can
Speaker 1: get six or seven pressures? I think that's where you know,
Speaker 1: if you're the Cowboys, you have to think, Okay, what's
Speaker 1: the best way to take Jalen Ramsey out of a game?
Speaker 1: Do you do you go ahead and say, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're just not gonna challenge his side of the field. Now,
Speaker 1: I haven't watched their tapes. I don't know how much.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much. Yeah, I don't know how much.
Speaker 1: If he travels at all, or if the fact the
Speaker 1: matter is teams are just not challenging him, you know, well,
Speaker 1: then if if he's going to do that, then he's
Speaker 1: following Zeke. He's the leading receive. You go, is he
Speaker 1: the leading receiver now? Yes, twenty two catches and then
Speaker 1: if it's not him, it's Beasley. And if it's not Beasley,
Speaker 1: then he's on Jeff. Okay, if you were Jacksonville, then
Speaker 1: would you would you put him on Beasley? That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And I was I gotta figure I gotta
Speaker 1: figure out. I gotta figure out if he if he
Speaker 1: goes inside at all. I haven't. I'm again, I haven't.
Speaker 1: Mickey's watched far more of Jacksonville than I have. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get started on this morning. But one thing I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you about Beasley because the all
Speaker 1: twenty two hasn't showed up on the game pass yet.
Speaker 1: Did they do something to take away Beasley or were
Speaker 1: there just he just he didn't have a catch till overtime.
Speaker 1: Just didn't feel like that he in watching it, though
Speaker 1: they tried. I mean there were things he was trying
Speaker 1: to run routes and they just could you know, first
Speaker 1: first possession that he was wide open on the left side,
Speaker 1: but the play was but the play was a screen
Speaker 1: going the other way. Yeah, it was a straight design.
Speaker 1: I mean, he could have had him in the flat
Speaker 1: and it would have been a first down. And that
Speaker 1: was really kind of you know, I mean, Beasley, I
Speaker 1: give him credit. He tries, he runs routes. He doesn't
Speaker 1: always get the ball obviously, but yeah, it was they
Speaker 1: were really I think the most disappointing thing about this
Speaker 1: game to me was the fact that they couldn't get
Speaker 1: any traction against the secondary. And and I understand it,
Speaker 1: Dak took a ton of hits, you know, I get
Speaker 1: that there was pressure there and you know, but they
Speaker 1: just couldn't really get anything going. And that's really been
Speaker 1: the achilles heel of of the of the Texans is
Speaker 1: that teams have had the ability to make plays on
Speaker 1: them in the secondary. Kind of felt like, going in
Speaker 1: if you could have protected well enough that there were
Speaker 1: some opportunities there and it just didn't materialize like I
Speaker 1: thought it would. And going back and watching it, the
Speaker 1: two plays, two gathers Rico we know him as Rico
Speaker 1: and Jeff James, who's that we're on screens busting busting
Speaker 1: the blitz and that's and later in the game they
Speaker 1: tried doing that, but you know, they were in the
Speaker 1: backfield so quickly Dak had to you know, force the
Speaker 1: ball out quick. They didn't connect there on the Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin play that you talked about yesterday. They did not
Speaker 1: make them for the blitz. You're right about that, Mick,
Speaker 1: just going back and watching it. And the cleanest pocket
Speaker 1: I thought he had was the Deonte Thompson interception. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had all day on that throw, right, And I'm
Speaker 1: not who was on that. I mean, I think he
Speaker 1: could have put a put the ball there better. I
Speaker 1: just you know, Thompson's body position was really really poor.
Speaker 1: Did allowed Joseph to get to where he needed to
Speaker 1: be to play off hands. So it's like when he
Speaker 1: hooked back, Yeah, he was too wide the guy get
Speaker 1: inside of Yeah, absolutely, and so there were a lot
Speaker 1: of hands in there, it were, and it was a
Speaker 1: low pass. It wasn't like it was high and it
Speaker 1: was easy to pick off. Yeah. It just it's unfortunate
Speaker 1: that when they when they've had opportunity, something always breaks down.
Speaker 1: I mentioned that Jarwin player. I hope everybody had a
Speaker 1: chance to go back and I'll break it down for
Speaker 1: you on the film room today just to show you
Speaker 1: really it was a it was a well designed play.
Speaker 1: They they had, they wrapped it during the week and
Speaker 1: they they brought it out at the right time, and
Speaker 1: if they could have just got the block. And what's
Speaker 1: unreally unfortunate is you're All Pro right guard that gave
Speaker 1: up the pressure inside. But she's going against another All
Speaker 1: Pro player, so you got a tip time. Sometimes they
Speaker 1: All Pro player beats the other All Pro player and
Speaker 1: you had an all pro play called, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: get executed because they're All Pro player. And I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to make excuses for anybody, but I mean, you're
Speaker 1: relying on that guy to make that block. They're in
Speaker 1: ninety eight percent of the time, he's going to get
Speaker 1: that block for you. And it just so happens though
Speaker 1: that they they gave up the sack and next thing
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you know, and then they look
Speaker 1: back and you could even tell when we asked Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett about it Yester in the walk off, you know,
Speaker 1: he was talking about, Hey, we had an opportunity. We
Speaker 1: just couldn't get the block secured to get the ball
Speaker 1: out to where it needed to be. That's what's you know,
Speaker 1: in those games where it's one or two plays going
Speaker 1: either way. I mean, look what happened. They get the
Speaker 1: ball and they have a forty nine yard play on
Speaker 1: an undercut route. You know, I mean, you know, if
Speaker 1: he stays on this hip, maybe it's a catch and
Speaker 1: a tackle for you know, twelve yards. Instead it's a
Speaker 1: it's a huge play. You know. The best thing about
Speaker 1: the Rico thing wasn't the fact, I mean it was great,
Speaker 1: it was What was it like about a thirty two
Speaker 1: yard two yards reception? Was the fact that now they've
Speaker 1: showed everybody just because we're in three tight ends. Person,
Speaker 1: we're running the football. Yeah, you better watch out because
Speaker 1: it may have looked like a blitz. They had nine
Speaker 1: guys in the box. What else would what did you expect?
Speaker 1: They very rarely, if ever, has that right, So, okay,
Speaker 1: watch out because we just might sneak somebody out. All right,
Speaker 1: we got off to a little bit of a late
Speaker 1: start due to weather difficulties. Here we into we come
Speaker 1: what a segment? And how about we go to a
Speaker 1: phone call and go to Ray in Fort Worth to
Speaker 1: kick off talking cowboys? Ray, how you doing? Oh? Pretty good?
Speaker 1: You don't sound good? Uh no, I was listening to
Speaker 1: yesterday's show. I agree, A brand brought is get you
Speaker 1: gotta go for it. That's a first but uh uh,
Speaker 1: you know the second thing. All this, you know all
Speaker 1: the things, I'll the conversation has led to one thing.
Speaker 1: This team is just not very good. The general manager
Speaker 1: as constructed. When you when you when you say we're
Speaker 1: gonna play tight end by committee, that's like saying you
Speaker 1: don't have one when you're gonna play wide receiver body committee,
Speaker 1: that's like saying you don't really have a legitimate one.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't put so much on a running back.
Speaker 1: I believe, I believe Zeke. Maybe it's up by now
Speaker 1: with forty percent of the offense. When this guy is
Speaker 1: taking his tone on this guy, I mean, you can
Speaker 1: say we need a linebacker. Well, the b YU kid
Speaker 1: thanks to the Draft show, best show on the network
Speaker 1: outside the Talking Cowboys, the by the kid from b
Speaker 1: YU who went who went to the forty nine ers?
Speaker 1: I like him just as much. If the guy we
Speaker 1: got he went in the third round. You could have
Speaker 1: taken that wide receiver there. Now you see what he's
Speaker 1: doing in Atlanta. You can't you can't keep going like this.
Speaker 1: This is not this is not on the general manager.
Speaker 1: This is straight on him. He wants to be the GM.
Speaker 1: It's on his title. The gym is not going anywhere
Speaker 1: you want to evaluate Zeke. You gotta, I mean you gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta. You gotta pay the quarterback this side of him.
Speaker 1: You're gonna pay the quarterback where you're giving him nothing
Speaker 1: to evaluate. I'll give you this. The Rams, the Brown,
Speaker 1: the Bears, the Chiefs. What are y'all have in common?
Speaker 1: They have a young quarterback? What have they done? They
Speaker 1: use all those resources to build around him. Now they'll
Speaker 1: be able to evaluate those guys. Now look at that.
Speaker 1: What have we done for our quarterback? Gave him nothing?
Speaker 1: How you till you're going to evaluate the quarterback here?
Speaker 1: The next ar so and you're how you're gonna evaluate it. Now,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay him franchise quarterback money when
Speaker 1: when he had when he hasn't shown you that he's
Speaker 1: a quarter that he's a franchise quarterback yet, but you
Speaker 1: haven't given him anything. Now the covered this bear behind him.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't blame him if he says I need franchise
Speaker 1: quarterback money, because what wasn't I'm gonna do? We got
Speaker 1: nothing behind him. You gotta you gotta banged up Zeke
Speaker 1: that you built this team around. No, we don't need
Speaker 1: a uh Dak freely. Dak freely means Woodhi, we don't
Speaker 1: need a number one. Dak said it himself, so he's
Speaker 1: kind of on him. Hey, Ray, Uh, I agree with
Speaker 1: you on Fred Warner, the linebacker from b YU went
Speaker 1: to San Francisco. Third round. Um, so you're you say
Speaker 1: they could have got it like a Ridley in the
Speaker 1: first round and then gotten Warner later? Is that like
Speaker 1: in the second round in the third round to the nine? Right?
Speaker 1: Watch his tea right? Right? No, no, but oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I loved Warner, so you you
Speaker 1: would have taken Warner in the second round then, right?
Speaker 1: You proposed that the Cowboys would should have taken like
Speaker 1: a Ridley in the first round in Warner in the
Speaker 1: second round? Is that right? Oh? Ray, thanks for the call. Ray, Well,
Speaker 1: the reason I asked because you would have to take
Speaker 1: him in the second round because your third round pick
Speaker 1: was number eighty one. That's right. I took Gallop and
Speaker 1: Warner went seventy. So just to clarify that, I mean
Speaker 1: they spent a second round. I spent the fiftieth overall
Speaker 1: pick on a guard, right, to help this foundation continue.
Speaker 1: They built this team around the offensive line and then
Speaker 1: put Zeke around that, and it's not the same offensive line.
Speaker 1: We've been saying that. It's just not Why didn't they
Speaker 1: take a center and there you go, because they didn't
Speaker 1: look they didn't know Daniels like James Daniels in the
Speaker 1: first round. But you know what I first round is
Speaker 1: you're gonna have. I appreciate it. I appreciate Ray's passion
Speaker 1: for that, and I appreciate watching the draft show, listening
Speaker 1: to the draft show. The combination of vander esh and
Speaker 1: Gallop is better than taking Ridley and Warner. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: and again Warner, you would have had to take Warner
Speaker 1: in the second's. Yeah, it's a better combination. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you and and and to me, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop is somebody I'm waiting on. Michael Gallup was
Speaker 1: one of my top fifty players. I'll be interested to
Speaker 1: see in three years time that if I was right
Speaker 1: about Michael Gallup, I think he's a much better I
Speaker 1: think it's he's a much better player and it and
Speaker 1: what's happened to him right now is I don't think
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup is a really confident football player right now
Speaker 1: playing you know, he gets one or two targets a game,
Speaker 1: and then he makes one or two catches a game.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's hard for him to it
Speaker 1: is a rookie. It's been hard for him to separate.
Speaker 1: It's been hard for him to play against contested you know,
Speaker 1: and guys learn, I mean, rookie receivers learn as they go.
Speaker 1: I was hopeful that he could come in and grow
Speaker 1: and be a difference maker. But the combination of vander
Speaker 1: esch and and and him, I think we'll play will
Speaker 1: pay off long and long term. Nothing against Ridley. I
Speaker 1: think Ridley is in a very great situation with the Falcons.
Speaker 1: You've already got a number one wide receivers and you've
Speaker 1: got a quarterback that's a that can really throw the football,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's and that's that's a good combination
Speaker 1: I'd like to see. I'd like to see in this
Speaker 1: situation if if they had a more consistent passing game,
Speaker 1: you know, with Michael Gallup, I'm again I'm betting on
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup here, but I'm also I respect that with
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh has come in, we have not these
Speaker 1: are two shows now that we've done or two weeks
Speaker 1: of shows that we have done that we have at least,
Speaker 1: I mean how many times we were doing shows last year.
Speaker 1: And it was this defense can't play without Shaun Lee.
Speaker 1: This defense cannot function without Shaun Lee. If they have
Speaker 1: to play without Shaun Lee, another game just counted as
Speaker 1: a loss. We haven't had those conversations. And a lot
Speaker 1: of it has to do with the way that Jayalen Smith.
Speaker 1: That's another guy that I didn't want, Okay, I wanted
Speaker 1: this guy, Miles Jack that we're gonna you know, but hey,
Speaker 1: this way and playing this week, and you could say
Speaker 1: that Jayleen Smith has been a better player than Miles Jack.
Speaker 1: You know, say he made the sack he made at
Speaker 1: the end of the half, the sack, the rundown, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything everything. Did you look at two games now and
Speaker 1: and Jayleen Smith back to back games has affected the
Speaker 1: pocket the ways I broke down a play on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys Dot on the last week where they put carry
Speaker 1: On Johnson against the Lions outside and Layton Vanderesh falls
Speaker 1: on the play. If they don't get the sack and
Speaker 1: the pressure and the hit, they're throwing the ball to
Speaker 1: carry on Johnson for a big play down on your
Speaker 1: right sideline. So Jalen Smith is coming in and he's done,
Speaker 1: and so to say, and with him and Layton Vanderesh,
Speaker 1: they are not making me feel like that this defense
Speaker 1: can't can't play without Sean Lee. They're even making me
Speaker 1: think that, Okay, at the end of the season. Again,
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the season, when we
Speaker 1: have offseason talk, there's gonna be some discussions about, Okay,
Speaker 1: can you now just move on from Sean Lee? You know,
Speaker 1: I know it's probably an evil thing to say that,
Speaker 1: but at least they're playing well enough to where you
Speaker 1: could say, this defense no longer needs Shaun Lee at
Speaker 1: seven million dollars and you can play without him. We'll
Speaker 1: see what a position does that. Warner he's a linebacker, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean where inside guy inside? Yeah, pays he can do.
Speaker 1: He's a blitzer cover guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's a good player,
Speaker 1: all right. And and Ridley, what's at planner right now?
Speaker 1: By the way one and four, people are probably saying, well,
Speaker 1: with we would have taken so and so maybe our
Speaker 1: defense would have been better, all right. They lost Dion Jones, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they lost Yeah, they've lost a lot. They lose the
Speaker 1: pass Rusher. Two. They made a living over the New England. Now, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Oh it was. It was okay. I didn't have to
Speaker 1: put my code on. Oh geez, that's not like the preseason.
Speaker 1: Did you use the phone booth there again? This time
Speaker 1: I did not have to do Remember that? Did you
Speaker 1: see that? Yeah? Yeah, they've got they've got old fashioned
Speaker 1: phone booths. Was there a pay phone in there? I
Speaker 1: think it was a land line in there, which I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen a land line in years you don't have
Speaker 1: a land line at home. I do not have a
Speaker 1: land line at home. Who has a land line at home?
Speaker 1: That's that's fortunately I do. So I got to get
Speaker 1: rid of it. It's like having a polaroid in stematic
Speaker 1: camera in the thing shot. I think it was at
Speaker 1: your wedding. Yeah, your wedding, you had the polaroid cameras.
Speaker 1: I had to explain all the people, all the kids
Speaker 1: I work with, how do you use the camera? They're like,
Speaker 1: what is this? I go, you take a picture and
Speaker 1: comes out and you wave. They didn't know, absolutely didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't know. I bet you that there are kids today,
Speaker 1: and by kids, I meaning they might be even college
Speaker 1: kids today who have never seen a camera before. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: didn't they hand out also just a little automatic, little
Speaker 1: plastic the one we had. Yeah, you had to take
Speaker 1: those over to like the store again you had to
Speaker 1: wait an hour or two to get picture or to
Speaker 1: Costco or whatever. Trust me, I was as much fun
Speaker 1: as I had at your wedding, remember, yeah with yeah,
Speaker 1: with my whiskey in one hand and the polaroid camera
Speaker 1: and the other. But yeah, I mean I had to
Speaker 1: explain and They're like what and I'm like, the picture
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Speaker 1: probably at some point you had a polaroid camera. I
Speaker 1: was the joker, is what I was. That thing made
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Speaker 1: I was the only one that you know, actually developed film. Yeah. College,
Speaker 1: in college, yeah, I had to do that. I took
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Speaker 1: Janis Joplin were hanging out together, all right. Brian brought
Speaker 1: up the prospect of the linebacking Corps at the end
Speaker 1: of the season. I'm going to bring it more present
Speaker 1: day and shot Jerry Jones On the radio this morning,
Speaker 1: I was asked about Sean and Leaves availability. It didn't
Speaker 1: sound real confident for this week, but okay, now we're
Speaker 1: looking at a schedule of Jacksonville this week and then
Speaker 1: at Washington next week and then a bye. So let's
Speaker 1: just play this out Sean Lee at full health after
Speaker 1: the bye, and and let's say all the linebackers are
Speaker 1: full health, how do you work this linebacking corps? And
Speaker 1: is there a way to have all three linebackers on
Speaker 1: the field at the same time. I think there's people
Speaker 1: that will argue that go ahead and put all three
Speaker 1: on there, because what have you seen? You know, Damian Wilson,
Speaker 1: we talked about him in two weeks ago. Son, I
Speaker 1: think had four tackles last week in this game. We
Speaker 1: saw him miss in space. You know, he's got to
Speaker 1: do a better job of getting that tackle for a
Speaker 1: no gain. But I think there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that would say, go ahead and put Vandersh out there
Speaker 1: at Sam, keep Shawn Lee at the wheel and then
Speaker 1: and then what you could do is rotate those guys
Speaker 1: when it gets in those Nickels situations. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna probably say, or somebody's probably gonna say,
Speaker 1: maybe the sixtend Shawn Lee a little further. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: instead of playing sixty sixty five plays, Shawn Lee plays
Speaker 1: only plays forty plays? And and what how many games
Speaker 1: would be left after the buy? But they're three five
Speaker 1: that would be seven then got nine left, So maybe
Speaker 1: he gets Sean Lee for forty snaps a game for
Speaker 1: nine games, as opposed to maybe and you risk another reaggravation.
Speaker 1: I think they'd like to get to that point with him, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think they would. And that's not a knock on him.
Speaker 1: That's just trying to preserve his health and increase that depth.
Speaker 1: And they clearly have it now. And I think Brian
Speaker 1: makes a good point. You know, get your three best
Speaker 1: linebackers on the field. That's what they talk about, their
Speaker 1: best five up front on the offensive line. Do the
Speaker 1: same thing. Banderesh is earning the right to keep playing,
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. There's also there's also ways
Speaker 1: to do it snap wise with the nickel and the bass. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: so who your linebackers and the nickel if they're all healthy,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee and and Jalen Smith. Okay, let's see. The
Speaker 1: idea was it was going to be Sean Lee and Vanderesh. Right,
Speaker 1: but my guy fifty four is a rare player when
Speaker 1: it comes to rush in the passer. This guy's got
Speaker 1: to feel you know, he could be your fifth rusher.
Speaker 1: You're gonna rush four. You know, Mickey's telling me, I
Speaker 1: gotta have some pressure. I gotta do some things. I
Speaker 1: gotta get, I gotta create. He's created some opportunity, he's
Speaker 1: forced plays, He's forced people to have to account for
Speaker 1: him as a rusher. I would rather have him as
Speaker 1: a rusher and let Sean Lee be the cover guy. See.
Speaker 1: I think that Layton Vanderish can be a really good
Speaker 1: cover guy. I just don't know if he has the
Speaker 1: instincts right now as what you have with Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: I think he'll develop those instincts. But Lee as a cover.
Speaker 1: How many times we've seen Lee kind of get in
Speaker 1: position tip of ball, Lee take a guy out of
Speaker 1: the backfield that they're trying to run a screen, knives through,
Speaker 1: makes a tackle for four minus four. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: how about the play on the goal line that they
Speaker 1: scored on though Layton vandersch even Chris Collins we're talked about,
Speaker 1: he was a tick late. He was a tick lay
Speaker 1: on the play. You know, it was the one where
Speaker 1: they ran the flip inside that that brought a cutie
Speaker 1: inside you know for the touchdown. I mean it was
Speaker 1: Layton vanders was just a tick late getting there and
Speaker 1: maybe that's Sean Lee. He's on it. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a it's a no game right there. I nothing gets
Speaker 1: Layton vandersh But I'm keeping Sean. If Sean Lee is healthy,
Speaker 1: he makes more big plays that can get you off
Speaker 1: the field than Layton Vanderesh. Where was the ball on
Speaker 1: that play? I think it was on the two and
Speaker 1: he hit him at the one. Yeah, the first guy
Speaker 1: that missed was ninety ninety just had a chance and
Speaker 1: couldn't trip him. Nice job by his part to try.
Speaker 1: And then Vanderesh coming from the inside again Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee is I mean Sean Broad Yeah, he's seeing
Speaker 1: the guy come across. He's slicking at the formation. And
Speaker 1: again I'm saying Layton Vanderish is going to develop that
Speaker 1: one help from Sean Lee coaching him, hopefully so. But
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm I'm keeping Seawan out there, but I'm
Speaker 1: spelling him on. I'm spelling him on, you know drives.
Speaker 1: I'm not keeping played drive. I'm keeping him out there.
Speaker 1: In Seattle always saw a glimpse of that because they
Speaker 1: were Sean was nursing something. In the second series of
Speaker 1: the game, Lee was off the field and Vanderish was out.
Speaker 1: They did in Carolina too, where they I mean, there
Speaker 1: wasn't a health issue and they just took him off
Speaker 1: the field first in the second in the third quarter
Speaker 1: of that game. Yeah, I think it's I think that's
Speaker 1: the long term planner. But yeah, all things consider, if
Speaker 1: he's good to go, he's your best linebacker, no question
Speaker 1: about it. But Jaylens, you're talking about the rush in
Speaker 1: the passer he's added. Jalen has added he's moving sideline
Speaker 1: to sideline, He's chasing receivers down the field. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a he's turning into a complete player this year.
Speaker 1: It's it's really it's fun to watch. It's really fun
Speaker 1: to watch. The other thing about the postseason discussion is
Speaker 1: Damien Wilson's in the last year of his contract too. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: and I think Shahn Lee would be of a mind
Speaker 1: he would want to be a cowboy his entire career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he would be of a mind to do something
Speaker 1: work with Well, they're gonna have to use that rotation
Speaker 1: when Lee gets back, because it looks like they're gonna
Speaker 1: lose Joe Thomas here. Yeah, that is a good point.
Speaker 1: Ye foot injury there, so something, Mickey, what do you
Speaker 1: think he was in a big old walking boot and
Speaker 1: we got on the planet if. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's a broken bone or a high ankle sprain or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it didn't sound good for several weeks. So we'll
Speaker 1: see when he gets back. All right, Jim in Pasadena,
Speaker 1: you are next up here. I'm talking cowboys. Hello, Jim,
Speaker 1: Good morning. Man. Hey. I called in last week and
Speaker 1: said Jalen Smith was a one trick pony boy. I
Speaker 1: always proved wrong. Glad, Welcome to the club. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: really impressed with the defense though you know you watch film.
Speaker 1: They work hard, there's no dissension, there's no finger pointing.
Speaker 1: You saw Gregory retrace steps and try to make plays downfield.
Speaker 1: I mean, these things are exciting to know about your team.
Speaker 1: Um I do. Phil Houston had the four of the
Speaker 1: five best players on the team on the field with
Speaker 1: Clowney and what Watson and Holmes. It eventually, when you're
Speaker 1: on the road, those kids are going to take over.
Speaker 1: And that's the way it is. I like Garrett's call
Speaker 1: play the Parce Hills field positioning pun it trust your
Speaker 1: defense and it just didn't work out. But I think
Speaker 1: it was a sound call. Okay, thanks for taking my call, guys,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you very much. Jim. Now, Jerry was
Speaker 1: on the radio this morning. Anything that y'all took from
Speaker 1: Jerry's conversation with one oh five three the fan back
Speaker 1: in Dak Prescott again, he's all in on Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: and so that tells me. We talked about what to
Speaker 1: do next year and we're not to that point. Obviously
Speaker 1: they're five games into the season, but you're gonna look
Speaker 1: at like, who's our guy on the call called us
Speaker 1: Ray Ray Ray? I mean, Ray's talking about trying to
Speaker 1: put help around him. I think if you're looking towards
Speaker 1: next year already, that might be the direction they go.
Speaker 1: If Jerry indeed is back in Dak the way it
Speaker 1: is and saying that, you know, because when Jerry sees
Speaker 1: something once, he thinks it can happen again. And he
Speaker 1: you know, I think we're past talking about twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: but he's seen Dak Prescott have success. The difference is
Speaker 1: all the pieces around him, a lot of them are different.
Speaker 1: This year. We also got to we probably don't understand
Speaker 1: what being said to him though. Also I've always talked
Speaker 1: about Jerry Jones the listener, we don't know what Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett's saying. We don't know what Scott Linahan saying. We
Speaker 1: don't know what Will McClay saying. We don't know what
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones is saying. You know, we don't know what
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore saying. You know, I mean there could be
Speaker 1: you know, Jerry is, you know, for what everybody wants
Speaker 1: to believe. And this is one of the great strengths
Speaker 1: he has, and it could also be one of his
Speaker 1: biggest faults, is that he will listen. He will trust
Speaker 1: people like you know, Jason Garrett, He'll trust Scott Linahan.
Speaker 1: He'll trust these people to tell him that, hey, this
Speaker 1: is why it is and this is what we can do.
Speaker 1: Jerry trusted Scott Linahan to come up with a package
Speaker 1: for Tavon Austin. I know that for a fact. He said, hey,
Speaker 1: you got him, now you coach him, you figure something out.
Speaker 1: And Scott said, yeah, we will. So you know that,
Speaker 1: that's that's what we don't know. You's also remember he
Speaker 1: trusts Stephen Jones. Yeah, absolutely so. I think we lose
Speaker 1: sight sometimes when everybody wants a place blame, it always
Speaker 1: goes on Jerry's shoulders, and that's not necessarily the case.
Speaker 1: And so he tried to help Dak out this year.
Speaker 1: That was the idea of drafting Connor Williams. I just said, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying more help, Okay, more help. Look, but you
Speaker 1: can't get everything at once. I just I said last segment,
Speaker 1: they tried to stabilize the strength of their football team
Speaker 1: in the second round. They did do that, and the
Speaker 1: third round and the fourth round. But see everybody, everybody
Speaker 1: dismisses that. Yeah, I'm not a wide receiver in the
Speaker 1: first round. Well, okay, you got the linebacker you needed
Speaker 1: to do that. I'm not just muting what you said.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's like, oh, we were gonna be
Speaker 1: Dak friendly. Well, Dak Friendly's protecting him and they are
Speaker 1: not protecting him. They haven't replaced the guys they lost though,
Speaker 1: with the numbers in Witten and and I'm guilty of
Speaker 1: thinking that Alan Hearns could come in here and we
Speaker 1: had all said this, not we I should say I
Speaker 1: said this, if Alan Herns came in and gave it
Speaker 1: the same numbers as Deaz like, everybody would be really happy.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that was out of the
Speaker 1: question to think because this is a guy that has
Speaker 1: a thousand yard receiver league you in the league feel
Speaker 1: I felt like that he could come in. He is
Speaker 1: he is fast and quick and all that's that he's not.
Speaker 1: That's very similar to what desk. But I also saw
Speaker 1: a guy that was capable of making plays and they
Speaker 1: just have not found a way to get him the ball.
Speaker 1: He's been catching slants and things like that. But overall,
Speaker 1: you'd say, you'd have to be disappointed that you know that,
Speaker 1: but to go back, they tried to help. I mean,
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz, it was a fourth round pick right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a that's a guy that has
Speaker 1: a history of being from a tough program in Stanford
Speaker 1: to being a you know, a blocker, a catcher, a
Speaker 1: kind of a complete guy. And you know he's been
Speaker 1: inactive now four weeks, so that's been you know, we
Speaker 1: mentioned about Michael Gallup. We're all kind of hopeful about
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. We're all hopeful that he could have stepped
Speaker 1: up and made some more plays, but he hasn't you
Speaker 1: know that they're trying. Then you know, of course you
Speaker 1: got an All Pro runner, you know, say the I
Speaker 1: think the biggest issue that we're seeing right now is
Speaker 1: where Brian Brass might have misevaluated was the offensive line
Speaker 1: man Pete And maybe the loss of Travis Frederick is
Speaker 1: more devastating to this line than we'll ever know. And
Speaker 1: that's not a knock on Joe Looney. But even Garrett
Speaker 1: said it in the press conferge yesterday. You lose something
Speaker 1: when he's not in there. And I thought Garrett said something.
Speaker 1: He Knowstimes, he's not going to tell you everything in
Speaker 1: the press conference, but he said, look, there's a difference
Speaker 1: on the road with our communication. Yeah, and that to me,
Speaker 1: that points right back to Travis Frederick and all there's
Speaker 1: no question about that. Who is you know he runs
Speaker 1: things at the line of scrimmage for them. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: Joe has fought his ass off and done a nice show.
Speaker 1: Has not been a liability that I thought he might be.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what this you know, this these
Speaker 1: the way that they're running the ball, the way that
Speaker 1: they're having some success or not success, and the pass
Speaker 1: protection issues that they've had. You know, we I know
Speaker 1: I went in thinking you got you got to Tyrn Smith,
Speaker 1: you got Zack Martin. You know, you got an improved
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins. Hey, we're gonna get We're gonna learn with
Speaker 1: Connor Williams here. It's gonna be a little difficult, but
Speaker 1: but really the bigger issues, the bigger issues have been
Speaker 1: with the one group that you thought you can hang
Speaker 1: your hat on hasn't been nearly consistent enough that you
Speaker 1: can hang your hat on well. And they've opened up
Speaker 1: the can of worms now because teams are blitzing them
Speaker 1: and if you don't take care of that, it's going
Speaker 1: to continue to happen. Now. The disparity between what they
Speaker 1: score on the road and what they score at home
Speaker 1: is ten points. Is it a product of who you
Speaker 1: played or how you played on the road. But it's
Speaker 1: been cleaner though at home, has it? I mean? Yes?
Speaker 1: Just overall the offense seems to have moved better. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the Noose games, they just seemed more comfortable. There's
Speaker 1: more of a rhythm, uh, the tempo that we talked
Speaker 1: about in the Detroit game. You know, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just been a cleaner operation at home. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's crowd noise or who you who you play.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, yeah, Texans front outstanding and it shouldn't
Speaker 1: have been crowd noise there because that was one third
Speaker 1: or like at the end of the game, the Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans were kind of getting into it. It was yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you were down on the I know you're
Speaker 1: in the press box down on the field at the end,
Speaker 1: it was loud. It was loud. It was loud. Um
Speaker 1: it's got that's got to be one factor. But this
Speaker 1: team has been able to withstand that in the past.
Speaker 1: You know, I have a home. They have been so
Speaker 1: on the on the third and one where Zeke got
Speaker 1: stuffed by cutting him. Yeah, when you look at that
Speaker 1: on film, is that of course you don't know what
Speaker 1: the assignments are. Yeah, that's it that you would like.
Speaker 1: Could that have been something where they just they missed
Speaker 1: then they had They've had that. They're so concerned with
Speaker 1: the down guys that all of a sudden. No. Give
Speaker 1: Cunningham a lot of credit though, I mean he saw
Speaker 1: it the gap open and the good these good linebackers.
Speaker 1: We've seen it with Keighley, We've seen it with Ogletree,
Speaker 1: now we've seen it with Cunningham. Their job is to
Speaker 1: go and make a play, especially on a short yardage situation.
Speaker 1: If you see a gap, go it's a gamble to
Speaker 1: get there. Man. They go play action and throw the
Speaker 1: ball behind you. Well, then that's you know, you're trying
Speaker 1: to make a play. But they they, they they try
Speaker 1: and secure these down linemen first, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you don't have a guy that's you know,
Speaker 1: Joe Looney, we keep talking about it, but Joe Looney's thinking,
Speaker 1: I gotta get this down block first. I got to secure, secure, secure,
Speaker 1: And you're thinking, well, maybe Zeke can make that one
Speaker 1: guy miss, And that's something we really haven't seen a
Speaker 1: lot of Zeke. You know, he hasn't made that first
Speaker 1: guy miss, Like we had no shot. He had no
Speaker 1: shot on that one. That's true, But I mean slipped
Speaker 1: a little bit about there's been there's been some problems there.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a hell of a gap. No,
Speaker 1: it was filled the linebacker, no question, no question. You
Speaker 1: wrote about this after the game, right, You thought Zeke
Speaker 1: didn't look quite the same. I don't. There were times
Speaker 1: where I thought he had the burst, you know, he
Speaker 1: captured the edge a couple of times. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: to me, it's he's fighting through being banged up. Yeah
Speaker 1: he is. I mean, there was a reason why they
Speaker 1: were bringing in Yeah Smith so many times. Yeah they did.
Speaker 1: And there was a play at the end of the
Speaker 1: third quarter. Maybe he had one guy to miss and
Speaker 1: the guy got him by his shoelaces and that could
Speaker 1: have been a huge game. But yeah, he's clearly he's
Speaker 1: dealing with a knee Prasidas and the sore ankle and
Speaker 1: um yeah, taking a lot of hits. Yeah that he
Speaker 1: was in the best shape it was. Life felt as
Speaker 1: good as he did after four games. Yeah, all right,
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Speaker 1: it's the Cowboys and the Jaguars on Sunday, a three
Speaker 1: twenty five kickoff. It's on CBS this week. I assume
Speaker 1: that means Jim Nance and Tony Romo are doing the game.
Speaker 1: There you go, unless is there another game rolling around
Speaker 1: that's a little bit better than that. They gotta give
Speaker 1: CBS so rarely gets the Cowboys, so they got ahead.
Speaker 1: They give them the Cowboys. I actually think they I
Speaker 1: think Cowboys redskins. I need to look. Might also be,
Speaker 1: oddly enough, a CBS game. Huh, So we're in that
Speaker 1: mode now, la. Yeah, train games, they cross them. I'll
Speaker 1: check on that. So we could have Romo for two
Speaker 1: straight weeks'd great? Got Witten on the Tennessee game that
Speaker 1: a few weeks too, all right, So it could be
Speaker 1: a Romo Romo Witten back to back to back. Jerry,
Speaker 1: also on the fan this morning, said something about a
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver. Oh there was that too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably getting some run on Twitter and elsewhere. He made
Speaker 1: the comment that he doesn't feel like they've had a
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver here for several years, and of
Speaker 1: course that's going to get some run. But you got
Speaker 1: to hear the clarification on that. His definition of a
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver, he said, Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: there's only a handful of receivers like that in the
Speaker 1: league in his opinion. So there Thomas and the Saints,
Speaker 1: I think would be another one that you'd have to
Speaker 1: kind of look at his one in Pittsburgh. One in
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's pretty good, Green and Cincinnati's pretty good. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a you know, and if if you
Speaker 1: take him to his word, you know, and Bill, I
Speaker 1: thought you brought up an excellent point and I don't
Speaker 1: want to steal your thunder being the point you were
Speaker 1: talking about when you signed Oh, which was I mean
Speaker 1: when you signed Dez? What year was that? Okay, at
Speaker 1: five years, seventy million dollars, you were paying him like
Speaker 1: a number one receiver, right, And so the follow up
Speaker 1: should be, Okay, was Dez number one? Did you consider
Speaker 1: him a number one receiver when he signed him? Right?
Speaker 1: So that to me is he obviously feels like though
Speaker 1: the last three years or so, he didn't have a
Speaker 1: number one receiver if he injured one, Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: a guy that was banged up, that was you know,
Speaker 1: playing through a lot of things. But yeah, that's to
Speaker 1: your point. He signed a guy that was a number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver and then you know, through his injury
Speaker 1: and then through a change at quarterback. I think I
Speaker 1: think the change a quarterback really affected Dez Bryant in
Speaker 1: the way that he in what we know him as
Speaker 1: a player. Yeah, you know, yeah, And I give Dez credit.
Speaker 1: He could have been a guy that could have complained
Speaker 1: about when they were thirteen and three. He could have
Speaker 1: been a complaining guy in the locker room and like say, well,
Speaker 1: we need to play Romo. But he held his tongue
Speaker 1: and at least in the media and then back to
Speaker 1: you know, back to uh Dak Prescott in the locker room.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's you know, he really he's talk
Speaker 1: about falling on the sword for somebody, I mean, his
Speaker 1: friend who made him what he is now, who's now
Speaker 1: in the broadcast booth. You know, he said, hey, we
Speaker 1: gotta go with this guy right now. And it might
Speaker 1: have ultimately cost his The way he's played and the
Speaker 1: decline in his game could very well be affected by
Speaker 1: the way that the quarterback played. But if you go
Speaker 1: back and look at the last eight games he played
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, he was on pace for a ninety
Speaker 1: catch season with fifteen touchdowns the last eight games, even
Speaker 1: regular and in the playoff game. Look at his numbers.
Speaker 1: So he wasn't healthy early in that season. And I
Speaker 1: think he played twenty seventeen, he wasn't healthy again, he
Speaker 1: was banged up. So I don't know that you you
Speaker 1: want to play it on Dak not throwing him open.
Speaker 1: And it'll be interesting to hear what Romo has to
Speaker 1: say when he does the game, because one of the
Speaker 1: things I think he was big on doing the game,
Speaker 1: uh Sunday the Jacksonville game, was how Mortals was throwing
Speaker 1: people open. Right. He said it about three or four
Speaker 1: or five times about how he anticipated where so and
Speaker 1: so was going to be. And Atman on the radio
Speaker 1: this morning was saying the same thing. And I think
Speaker 1: he was analyzing the Houston game, the Cowboys Watson's game
Speaker 1: and talking about Dak Dak and and uh and anticipating
Speaker 1: is the word that he used to knowing where the
Speaker 1: guy is going to break. Talk about accuracy and anticipation, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: hallmarks of you know, high quarterback level play in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Got to have those things. Micky, you think though that Okay,
Speaker 1: So I offer that Dak and and and not to
Speaker 1: I shouldn't blame it on I'm not blaming. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I'm offering an opinion that Dak didn't affect the
Speaker 1: way that Dez played or finished out. Sure didn't. I
Speaker 1: mean unless things went down hill. I still say the
Speaker 1: end of last season, who was gonna beat you when
Speaker 1: Zeke wasn't in the game? Does Bryant? And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make sure he doesn't beat me? Right? And it's it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm doubling him every play, but I'm making
Speaker 1: sure I'm getting enough pressure on the quarterback. He didn't
Speaker 1: have time to dilly dally around in the pocket. I
Speaker 1: just think the way they played, teams start playing a
Speaker 1: lot of cover two. It wasn't double teaming when here
Speaker 1: people here, Oh I'm gonna double the wide receiver they
Speaker 1: expect to see, you know, like basketball, No, they got
Speaker 1: the guy sitting over the top. You know, it's the
Speaker 1: same thing like Seattle. How they played the Cowboys, Well
Speaker 1: they didn't throw deep. Well did you see the corners
Speaker 1: running off on the you know, right before the snap,
Speaker 1: their corners are dropping five to ten yards and then
Speaker 1: the safeties are back there. So now where are you
Speaker 1: going to throw the ball? I better throw it underneath.
Speaker 1: How do we account for the slants and stuff they
Speaker 1: dropped though the no, and he was not. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's not that's that's not on See, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about. Okay, the routes that he's
Speaker 1: been so good throughout his career, we were starting to
Speaker 1: see in slippage there. And that's where I started going.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's the health. I wonder if it's
Speaker 1: the quarterback, because with the previous quarterback, we didn't see
Speaker 1: him drop slants. We didn't see him having problems with
Speaker 1: routes and stuff like that. And I and maybe you know,
Speaker 1: that's where I'm looking at it and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, they just really didn't connect like they should
Speaker 1: have connected. If you're continent as a drop, that means
Speaker 1: he's got something to drop. It's not like he's up
Speaker 1: here over here, right And if you're not watching on
Speaker 1: the I think he was jumping out of his jumping
Speaker 1: out of my chair and I was outside my past
Speaker 1: catching cylinder over there. You go, Yeah, that's good. That
Speaker 1: was a new one yesterday outside the cylinder. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just don't know, you know, I'm trying to, like I said,
Speaker 1: I always like to try and figure out why. And
Speaker 1: I agree with you on the coverage, Mickey, but when
Speaker 1: he started when when things when he started missing the
Speaker 1: routes or they started missing the catches that and not
Speaker 1: every ball was thrown perfectly, I get that. I just
Speaker 1: think he started pressing too. I think he started pressing like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got to get this and run as hard as
Speaker 1: I can instead of catching the ball and just just
Speaker 1: calming down. Yeah. Well, they decided for whatever reason, Brian,
Speaker 1: I think maybe, like you said, maybe slippage in his game.
Speaker 1: They decided they could just move on from that based
Speaker 1: on that salary, and they didn't. You know, they have
Speaker 1: tried to replace him by committee, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: all those numbers and maybe philosophically again we go back to, well,
Speaker 1: Dak will take another step. You got Zeke for a
Speaker 1: full season, you hope, and if this offensive line is
Speaker 1: what we expect it to be, you don't necessarily need
Speaker 1: number one guys, and right now that's not proven out
Speaker 1: the way they'd hoped. Okay, too, then let me give
Speaker 1: you this, keep talking about both of those guys. First
Speaker 1: round pick next year, you got a number one type
Speaker 1: wide receiver or number one type tight end. What are
Speaker 1: you doing? I'll defer to the broad man on that one. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, have a draft show coming up
Speaker 1: open week. We have Dame Burglar on. Thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just so I think you can't replace everything at once.
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going with the wide receiver. Man, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I mean assuming that they they're the same type.
Speaker 1: Now the problem you right makers, Okay, how about this though, guys,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean to throw a wrench into what
Speaker 1: Mickey just said because I love draft talk. You know this,
Speaker 1: If you do end up with a very very high pick,
Speaker 1: are you considering a quarterback? Well, that's why I was
Speaker 1: going back to what Jerry say. You have eleven games left.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, though, I mean, given your given
Speaker 1: your question, I'm taking the wide receiver. But given if
Speaker 1: you said, okay, if you take the owner at his
Speaker 1: word today, he basically many years to come, we're saddling.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's kind of gotta
Speaker 1: say it. But oh no, yeah it shot you know, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you end up with a
Speaker 1: top if you end up with the top eight pick,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: consideration there for a lot of different positions, not just
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Oh, they'll be fifteen to eighteen. That
Speaker 1: means you're eight and eight again right, probably in seven. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of what we've seen after five games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a roller coaster, Teter Todter. It has shrives me nuts,
Speaker 1: especially when everybody else ins divisions playing poorly. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't put anything together right now. They're just part
Speaker 1: of the group in the show. I'm enough for Peyton
Speaker 1: and Minnesota. Peyton, you're on talking Cowboys. Hey, guys, um
Speaker 1: real quick, I thought a better player that Ray could
Speaker 1: use for his point a little bit. Uh, Darius Leonards.
Speaker 1: He could have been had in the third round. But
Speaker 1: that's all hindsight. Great player. Yeah yeah, Draft Show Special
Speaker 1: was right on him. Um. One thing that Nicky said,
Speaker 1: I love you, Mickey. I just disagree that's okay that
Speaker 1: you can't fix a lot of pieces at once. We
Speaker 1: saw the Eagles they had They got Jordan Hicks, al Sean,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey j Hi all in one season and it led
Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl. How's that working now? Well, they
Speaker 1: got a lot of Super Bowl one more in the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had I understand it worked out, but yeah take
Speaker 1: the ring, Okay, let let him finish, go ahead, sir. Um.
Speaker 1: So I was just gonna say, like I said this
Speaker 1: last week May two weeks ago, that you just can't
Speaker 1: go into a draft expecting everything to work out. Um,
Speaker 1: like you guys have said, like I mean brought. Would
Speaker 1: you say that Carl Williams right now is better than
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cooper? Yeah? Absolutely right now right, yeah, absolutely, yes
Speaker 1: I would from last season. Yes, yes, Well I want
Speaker 1: to disagree with you, but I guess John Cooper head
Speaker 1: tra No, you could disagree with me, like Mickey said,
Speaker 1: feel free to disagree with I think Carl Woods is
Speaker 1: the higher ceiling. But what my point is is that
Speaker 1: these guys are going to take some years to be
Speaker 1: where their feeling is potentialized. Like we don't know Gallup,
Speaker 1: he can't get open, like every single field that goes
Speaker 1: to him and he just got coverage all over him.
Speaker 1: Yeah he got there throws though, just right, you're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I just think that if you're coaching,
Speaker 1: as coaching for your wives, you can't be sitting around
Speaker 1: with all this cap space and not do anything and
Speaker 1: quote unquote being married to these receivers. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just a guy that you could have brough Sammy Watkins.
Speaker 1: Great glad they tried to do it. Thank god they
Speaker 1: didn't because that would have been bad. Why not a
Speaker 1: guy like a Jordy Nelson. So just Dak needs a
Speaker 1: reliable wide receivers. He costs like two million dollars more
Speaker 1: than Alan Herns on a two year contract. You think
Speaker 1: that wouldn't help out Dak more than what Alan Herns
Speaker 1: is giving you? Someone that actually like Cole Beasley two
Speaker 1: weeks in a row. Now, Brons, you talked about week
Speaker 1: slot corners that they're facing. Sure, what has he done? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know as much as I and I appreciate this call.
Speaker 1: You can stay on the line and I got something
Speaker 1: I want. God go Aheaday, question Darius Leonard? And so
Speaker 1: you would have taken Darius Leonard in the first round. No,
Speaker 1: he went in the fourth round, right, So he went
Speaker 1: in a second round in the second round, second round
Speaker 1: number thirty six. Yeah, and so yeah, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to clarify on our show. Available in the third round,
Speaker 1: now we had to turn round grade on him. You
Speaker 1: had to take him in the first round if you're
Speaker 1: going to take Darius Leonard. I just wanted to clear
Speaker 1: that up, right, Okay, Yeah, Brian, you were talking about
Speaker 1: Jordi Nelson. Yeah see, I just don't think that they
Speaker 1: would have gone They were not going to go for
Speaker 1: an age there at receiver. They just weren't going to
Speaker 1: do that. And I appreciate the thought of trying to
Speaker 1: get him a reliable guy. Let me tell you what
Speaker 1: if you're gonna if a guy like Cooper Cup another
Speaker 1: draft shows, specially that we talked about you years ago. Yeah, see,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of guy you need a bat and
Speaker 1: people get confused, and I say this a bad ball catcher.
Speaker 1: You need a guy that not only could catch the
Speaker 1: good balls, but when the ball's offline. Mickey just did
Speaker 1: it with his jumping around the chair. Guy with a
Speaker 1: high catch radius that can make all kinds of plays.
Speaker 1: That's the guy. The kid. The kid went undrafted in
Speaker 1: Minnesota feeling somebody like that, somebody that can make a
Speaker 1: difference of being a bad ball catcher when it's off target,
Speaker 1: Like you had some passes that were off target the
Speaker 1: other day. What happened? They get knocked in the air.
Speaker 1: They don't, they don't. Just didn't caught theirs. Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't get, they don't get. They don't get this
Speaker 1: catch on the sideline the guy and then they had
Speaker 1: to challenge a play that should have been a catch.
Speaker 1: Hopkins is a special player, but the forty nine yard
Speaker 1: catch was I mean out of his cylinder, as you
Speaker 1: might say, And yeah, right bright, I mean the Tavon one. Yes,
Speaker 1: the ball was high on the intercepted past, hit him
Speaker 1: in the hands. Yeah, qt, he should go get it.
Speaker 1: And again on the Cooper Cup, he went in the
Speaker 1: third round. He went they early third round, so you
Speaker 1: would have had to take him instead of Cheeto in
Speaker 1: the in the late second round or and my guy
Speaker 1: was Juju Smith Schuster exactly. There's another one. See but
Speaker 1: but you're not second round the corner, but you had
Speaker 1: to get him in the second round. Yeah. See, this
Speaker 1: is where this is where you look at the draft
Speaker 1: and you go, Okay, who's the guys that can help you?
Speaker 1: I need guys that can make plays now. And the
Speaker 1: one thing that Cooper Cup is coming and done with
Speaker 1: golf is went right off the jump. He's come in
Speaker 1: and played. You know, they were a playoff team. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, they were a playoff team. They didn't go
Speaker 1: very far last year. But you saw when he was
Speaker 1: in the life, they used them a lot of different ways.
Speaker 1: We remember when he was here in the game at
Speaker 1: at and T. Guy makes all kinds of little place
Speaker 1: for you, and that's I don't think they have that guy.
Speaker 1: I mean as far as Beasley. Yeah, but they just
Speaker 1: can't find ways to get them now. Maybe they can't
Speaker 1: get the ball to Cooper Cup, Maybe they can't get
Speaker 1: the ball to Feeling. Maybe they can't get the ball
Speaker 1: to to DeAndre Hopkins. Maybe they have Cup in Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup and we just don't know it because they can't
Speaker 1: get the ball to Yeah, exactly, that's right. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, we've continued tomorrow. Here's a good questions, good call.
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