WEBVTT - Ep 29: Angel Olsen

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<v Speaker 1>Loud and Quiet Presents midnight Chats.

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<v Speaker 2>Just wait for that car to go past. Hey, there

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<v Speaker 2>it goes. Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Loud and Quiet

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<v Speaker 2>Interview Podcast. The reason you could hear a car going

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<v Speaker 2>past my flat then is because, for once, the window

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<v Speaker 2>is open, and the window is open because it's been

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven degrees hot here. That's not a sentence, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's been warm and so warm. In fact, I'm wearing

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<v Speaker 2>shorts and I think my neighbors will appreciate it. To

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<v Speaker 2>give you an idea of the skin tone that I

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<v Speaker 2>work with on a yearly basis, it is below white.

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<v Speaker 2>It's paler than white and like a kind of frozen chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my vibe. And hey, it doesn't work for everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel like I feel like it works for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me tell you about who we've got on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast this week. We've got a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>special one because this one was recorded whilst we were

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere even hotter than London is right now. We went

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<v Speaker 2>to Primavera Sound Where, which is in Barcelona. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>great festival and you should everyone should go. Everyone should

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<v Speaker 2>go every year. It has an incredible lineup and consistently so,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're very lucky.

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<v Speaker 3>At Laden, quite weird.

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<v Speaker 2>We're a partner of theirs and we work with them,

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<v Speaker 2>have done for the past five years or so, so

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<v Speaker 2>we go out each year and this year at the festival,

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<v Speaker 2>I met up with Angel Olsen, who was playing on

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<v Speaker 2>the final day on a Saturday, and she'd just arrived

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<v Speaker 2>from Switzerland. She'd been driving overnight when we recorded this conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>and we met in a hotel lobby of a hotel

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<v Speaker 2>called the Princess, which is where all the bands stay

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<v Speaker 2>inside a tip.

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<v Speaker 4>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's no security at the door of the Princess, so

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<v Speaker 2>if you are a fan of bands and you go

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<v Speaker 2>to Primavera, you can have a little look in there

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<v Speaker 2>and you can maybe see someone as famous as Stuart

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<v Speaker 2>Braithwaite from Monquai having a coke.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we met in this lobby and for that reason,

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<v Speaker 2>there is quite a bit of background noise on this

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<v Speaker 2>episode of the podcast, for which I apologize. It was

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<v Speaker 2>hard to find a quiet corner to have a chat

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<v Speaker 2>with Angel, but we had a fun chat. There are

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<v Speaker 2>some laughs to be had and we were talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>amongst other things, Angel's hobby of roller skating. She's very

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<v Speaker 2>good at roller skating, and also some of her friends

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<v Speaker 2>who were playing the festival. One of the great things

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<v Speaker 2>about Primavera for the bands at least is that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of their mates tend to play at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>For Angel, that includes people like Mac DeMarco, Kevin Malby,

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Cameron, and Whitney, all of whom gets shamelessly name

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<v Speaker 2>dropped within our conversation. They are a group of musicians

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<v Speaker 2>who share very similar sense of humors, if not musical styles.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's probably all you need to know about this

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<v Speaker 2>week's podcast. If you missed last week's with Toddler t

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<v Speaker 2>that Greg did, I highly recommend listening back to that

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<v Speaker 2>one in particular. It's a great episode and Toddler t

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a really interesting guy and knows a hell

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot about music, So please do check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>For now, at least, here is my conversation with Angel Olsen.

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<v Speaker 4>Last night was the first night that I actually I

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<v Speaker 4>was pretty sober for the show, so I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a sober festival show. And then I had

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit of wine on the bus and then

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<v Speaker 4>went to sleep and I woke up at like nine today,

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<v Speaker 4>so I feel great.

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<v Speaker 3>Would tonight be a sober show?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, it depends. I just wanted to take

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<v Speaker 4>a break. We've been on the road for a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>I might run, might do some exercises.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have a do you try and have a

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<v Speaker 3>keep fit regime?

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<v Speaker 4>On the not? Really? It's weird, you know, you drink

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<v Speaker 4>at least. Our group is split between people who don't

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<v Speaker 4>drink at all and people who drink every night. And

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<v Speaker 4>some people stay up in their night owls, and I

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<v Speaker 4>tend to stay up. But for whatever reason, I even

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<v Speaker 4>if I stay up till four or something, I always

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<v Speaker 4>wake up early, and at least on this tour, and

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<v Speaker 4>I just the eating habits are very strange because you're

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<v Speaker 4>just waiting to get to a venue. So I eat

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<v Speaker 4>like half an avocado for breakfast, you know, and just

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<v Speaker 4>like wait it out. And then yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I eat less on tour because I'm just

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, it's like nervous energy, but I'm not nervous.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just I'm doing a lot, so I get locked

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<v Speaker 4>into work and I'm not as gluttonous. But everyone in

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<v Speaker 4>the group kind of wants to exercise at some point.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's kind of cool to have a partner in

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<v Speaker 4>crime when you need to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're in the Prince hates is this way because

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<v Speaker 2>you've played Primula before you?

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<v Speaker 4>I played I played an indoor show and it was

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<v Speaker 4>maybe maybe it was at the theater.

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<v Speaker 2>A few years ago, just across the street there.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe so. And it was with Grouper and one on Molina.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but you've not played headlined, but it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like an after show to the festival. Sure,

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<v Speaker 4>but inside so it was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think I know what you mean. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that might have been in town. Yeah maybe so, like

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<v Speaker 2>the Sunday after the first yeah yeah, okay, and when

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<v Speaker 2>you stayed that time?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you stay here in this hotel?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember if I did or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is the from my understanding, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel that means you've made it if they put

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<v Speaker 2>you in this one.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, this is the Princess.

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<v Speaker 2>One, Princess Hotel, This is the Princesses.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the where princeship base.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to be at a certain level to

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<v Speaker 2>get to this one. And well, so you've made it.

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<v Speaker 4>Congratulat lying to me. That makes me feel good. I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think that is. I think that's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing I get the impression about pro

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<v Speaker 2>and I've heard this from other bands that I've spoken

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<v Speaker 2>to about it is that they kind of look after

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<v Speaker 2>their artists. We were talking about we were just talking

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<v Speaker 2>about that. What was the festival you've just played last night?

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<v Speaker 2>Bond bed Bond. Yeah, that's that's your hot tip. It

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<v Speaker 2>looks amazing from those photos you just showed.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I could write a book about the perfect

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<v Speaker 4>festival versus the imperfect festival, but I won't. I'll just

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<v Speaker 4>say some people have it together. And I think sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>it has to do with how small it is, and

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<v Speaker 4>other times it has to do with how long the

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<v Speaker 4>festival's been going on, you know, But it's it's a

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<v Speaker 4>it's always a surprise each time for me.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the big don't when putting on a festival?

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<v Speaker 2>From your point of view.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, don't feed us the you know, they give the

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<v Speaker 4>people that come to the festival all the all the

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<v Speaker 4>trailers of food. That's interesting. It's like, ah, here's a

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<v Speaker 4>nice trailer, let's put it out here, and then they

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<v Speaker 4>feed the artists like.

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<v Speaker 2>Fish and beans is fish and beans?

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<v Speaker 4>No, but you know like or like it's like deep

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<v Speaker 4>fried falaffel thing with just like that's kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>vaguely cold, like it's kind of cold, and then like

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<v Speaker 4>something else and they're like, why are they feeding us

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<v Speaker 4>like cattle when we're the ones performing? This is backwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Food is number one number one.

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<v Speaker 4>Got to gotta get like healthy, healthy stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>stuff that anybody can eat, you know, for me, that's

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<v Speaker 4>Mediterranean food. Just have make some make some salads, get

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<v Speaker 4>them to bully in there for the for the artists,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, keep them regular.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the what's the worst thing you've a at a festival?

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<v Speaker 4>Ah? I think probably a really bad falafel, like a

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<v Speaker 4>falafful sandwich at a German festival, which it was like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is isn't a falafel, This is something else and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what this is, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>A falafel, this unidentified food.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gray food.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>In a strange way, as a non artist, this makes

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<v Speaker 2>me feel a little better because I always thought that no,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be eating like well sometimes kings and queens.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what it'll be like at Primavera, but

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<v Speaker 4>bad one was great. They do take care of RRA.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the food out front here is good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, it feels good so far.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe if you're if you're getting if you get

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<v Speaker 2>some gray food, just you should nip out the front.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a good thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not like the ultimate priority, but it's definitely a

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<v Speaker 4>symbol for how things will go that day. It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>if the food for us is for cattle, then what

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<v Speaker 4>else for us is for cattle?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we going to get the sound of a cattle?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Are we going to get the attitude of someone

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<v Speaker 4>who hates being an engineer and hates being here and

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<v Speaker 4>isn't paid well and just agreed to do this but

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<v Speaker 4>is totally regretting it. Are we going to get that today?

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<v Speaker 4>Or we're going to get but the nicest guy who

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<v Speaker 4>somehow still loves putting on thirty shows in three days

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<v Speaker 4>and has no problem with it. It's it's really full

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<v Speaker 4>spectrum every single time you go to a festival.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a good feeling about tonight. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be I'm going to be positive for you

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<v Speaker 2>that it's going to be a good experience. You're on

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<v Speaker 2>at the ray band stage.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I hope they'll give me some glasses because it's

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<v Speaker 4>kind of sunny.

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<v Speaker 2>Out there, and that's got to be part of the deal,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it, Like if you're playing in the ray band stage,

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<v Speaker 2>you must get free ray band Well I'm going to try, surely.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the best stage on the site. Have

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<v Speaker 2>you seen that one?

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<v Speaker 4>That's I just arrived, but I haven't been over. There

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<v Speaker 4>are bus parked on the opposite side, so we'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, it's like an amphitheater.

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<v Speaker 4>I heard steps.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen who you're up against tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know who I'm up against. I don't like

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<v Speaker 4>to view it that way. But George is playing right

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<v Speaker 4>after us, a tribute to Bowie, and I'm like psyched

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<v Speaker 4>that he's going to be on the stage right next

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<v Speaker 4>to us. So that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So I I have looked into who's next, who you're

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<v Speaker 2>up against? Would you rather me not say?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, why are you trying to make me feel competitive? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you, do you generally when

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<v Speaker 2>you come to a festival, do you look into that

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<v Speaker 2>or do you just think I.

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<v Speaker 4>Never look at the schedules. I don't. I had to

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<v Speaker 4>look and see what day it was today. I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the life of a touring.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're just going. You're just going. Every day is

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<v Speaker 4>the same but different. You just try to find the facts.

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<v Speaker 4>Where can I use the restroom? Where can I shower?

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<v Speaker 4>Where can I get free food? What's the Wi Fi? Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>The free food is gross? Where can I get better food? Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>What time do we need to be at the stage?

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<v Speaker 4>Is the sound engineering nice? Oh he's not nice? Oh

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<v Speaker 4>he is? When do we need to do this? And

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<v Speaker 4>then you just you have it all out? But you

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<v Speaker 4>do it day by day. Why would I want to

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<v Speaker 4>know that ahead of time? I want to know ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>So after your set tonight, what will be what will

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<v Speaker 2>be your plan? Are you're not that aware of who

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<v Speaker 2>else is playing tonight after you either?

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<v Speaker 4>You know? I know that I missed Kevin Morby and Macmarca,

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<v Speaker 4>which is unfortunate, and that Alex Cameron is going to

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<v Speaker 4>be playing at what is it called.

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<v Speaker 2>He's playing in the auditorium across there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I want to see him, but I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if I can because he's so far away from

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<v Speaker 4>where I'm going to be playing like overlapping with him,

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<v Speaker 4>but his mother's in town and I love her. She's

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<v Speaker 4>very different than him.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you good friends with Alex?

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<v Speaker 4>I love him, he's the best.

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<v Speaker 3>And Roy Malloy.

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<v Speaker 4>Roy malloy is number one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that good guys. I'm kind of it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a shame that they're.

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<v Speaker 3>In the inside auditory so too.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I should be on an outside stage.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Oh they could just maybe when they're finished, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>have them finish off my set if I feel like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I don't know if they'd let me do that,

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<v Speaker 4>but yeah, I think. I think they're really brilliant and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad that we're playing this day at least, and

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<v Speaker 4>that they're playing this festival because they totally deserve it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you might meet up with them afterwards.

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely, Yeah, because we're off tomorrow. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 4>they're doing tomorrow, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. That does seem to be the good thing

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<v Speaker 2>about Freemaber is there are so many bands that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of seem to be but buddies and they all kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hang out. So last night at mac Show, the

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<v Speaker 2>guys from Whitney came out and we're playing some very

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<v Speaker 2>out of time bongos with them.

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<v Speaker 4>Cool, but they looked good.

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<v Speaker 3>They looked good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they always look good. They look they look like

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<v Speaker 4>straight out of a Levi's jeans.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sickening.

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<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely sickening.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, you know. I didn't want to give this away,

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<v Speaker 4>but me, Kevin Morby and al Kam were talking about

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<v Speaker 4>remaking one of their videos. Yeah, so we might do

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<v Speaker 4>that later. That's what we were going to do in Barcelona,

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<v Speaker 4>but then I found out we're all playing at different times,

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<v Speaker 4>so it's kind of a bummer.

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<v Speaker 2>So Kevin played on first day and he at this

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<v Speaker 2>point at the festival seen as we're on the last day,

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<v Speaker 2>he is the best dressed man at the festival as

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<v Speaker 2>so far. He was wearing a white suit with musical

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<v Speaker 2>black musical notes, Oh nice dotted around it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very Elton John of him.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was, yeah, it was really look at you.

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<v Speaker 4>I heard that he jumped off of a pier after

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<v Speaker 4>his set. Is that true? Oh? He's and a security

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<v Speaker 4>guard ran after him.

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<v Speaker 2>I really yeah. I mean he may have done that.

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<v Speaker 4>I like him, but maybe he was feeling he just

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<v Speaker 4>got a wild hair.

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<v Speaker 2>He might have done that once he got off the stage,

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<v Speaker 2>but he must have. He would have had to run

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<v Speaker 2>round the Back's so cool, he finished on a cover

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<v Speaker 2>of Sweet Jane.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, and it was good. Yeah you said you

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<v Speaker 4>said that, like it was good.

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<v Speaker 2>It was good because it was disappointing. But I hate

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<v Speaker 2>seeing these guys who were good at things.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes me feel indicate me too.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like when I see a really beautiful woman, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>I hate myself. I hate myself, but not in a

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<v Speaker 4>like I actually hate myself or that I'm jealous. It's

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<v Speaker 4>more like there's it's just too much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just unfair it is, and it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Too much, and I can't hate you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it's like with those Whitney boys. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>I feel looking at them, Like you.

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<v Speaker 4>Could just be wearing a trash bag, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>you'd still look.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate people like that. Maybe I'm sure they're lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>This is worse when they're nice. I have a friend

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<v Speaker 2>like that who.

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<v Speaker 4>Because you really just want to be critical and then

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<v Speaker 4>you're like, oh man, but she was like creally nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of fine if they look incredible, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>like an awful person. Because that's your that's what you

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<v Speaker 2>hang on to. You think, well, at least I'm nicer

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<v Speaker 2>than them. So Kevin's Kevin's been the best dressed and

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<v Speaker 2>Mac DeMarco's drummer didn't wear anything.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well, not surprised by that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you must have snuck out on a towel

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<v Speaker 2>in a with a towel wrap around him, because there

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<v Speaker 2>was a towel on his drum stool. But there was

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<v Speaker 2>a great reveal maybe like it was in the first

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<v Speaker 2>song where the camera panned around the back of his

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<v Speaker 2>kit to reveal that he was completely naked.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a hat on.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, well, as long as he had a

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<v Speaker 4>hat on, he had something.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not a monster.

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<v Speaker 4>They knew what they were doing there, They.

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<v Speaker 3>Very much knew what they would do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they were trying to own it there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I'm sure Alex Cameron will probably and

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<v Speaker 2>Roy will look great. You've kind of do you feel

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure now that you I mean, what are you

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<v Speaker 2>what are you going to be wearing?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know, you need to Maybe I'll wear

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<v Speaker 4>a swimsuit, I don't know, and then I'll jump off the.

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<v Speaker 2>Stage like yeah, you need to you need to do

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<v Speaker 2>something outrageous.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, you know. That's the thing though, when you play

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<v Speaker 4>these big festivals, people want you to have on the

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<v Speaker 4>light show and they wanted to be theatrical, and they

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<v Speaker 4>want you to be like loud with lights and like adventures.

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<v Speaker 4>But to me, it's really always been about the music.

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<v Speaker 4>And if I'm not moving around very much on stage,

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<v Speaker 4>it's because I'm trying to trying to give one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>percent of my voice, you know. But it's curious to

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<v Speaker 4>see these other bands, and I don't know. I think

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<v Speaker 4>my group is more like a soul group. Like they're

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<v Speaker 4>very like they keep it together. It's very smooth. But

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<v Speaker 4>there are moments when I can put down my guitar

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<v Speaker 4>and I can run around, and those are the freeing moments.

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<v Speaker 4>And maybe we'll play one of those songs today, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's very I like to do that every now and then,

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<v Speaker 4>just because I'm just like, come on, I gotta move

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<v Speaker 4>around now. I can't just stand here and hold this

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<v Speaker 4>down all the time, you know. And I play rhythm guitar,

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<v Speaker 4>so it's like two things at once. I'm not just singing,

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<v Speaker 4>but I would like to dance around more. I think

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<v Speaker 4>that would be cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Are there any tracks where you put the guitar down.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's one called the Waiting, which is from Halfway Home,

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<v Speaker 4>which was the first full length record, and we've been

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<v Speaker 4>playing that one live. And then there's another one called

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<v Speaker 4>Total Control. It's a cover that we've been doing by

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<v Speaker 4>the Motels right. Yeah, do you know the Motelles. I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't know them either until I was in Australia and

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<v Speaker 4>then this guy Jack Ladder, who's opening up for us

0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:09.480
<v Speaker 4>Tim Rogers. He was like, Angel, come to my room,

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<v Speaker 4>let me play you something whatever. He has this like

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<v Speaker 4>really thick Australian accent and he's like giant, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And he also very well dressed. Also very well dressed

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<v Speaker 4>those all season and what's up. But he was playing

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<v Speaker 4>this track for me, and I was like, how do

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<v Speaker 4>I not hear this? How have I not heard this before?

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<v Speaker 4>It sounds like it would would have come out of

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<v Speaker 4>the same phase as like Blondie, pre pop Blondie or

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<v Speaker 4>pre like disco Blondie, you know. And yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 4>checked it out and then I got obsessed with the

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<v Speaker 4>song and we decided to play it and we played

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<v Speaker 4>in La at this I don't know what the name

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<v Speaker 4>of the venue was but we played this place. We

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<v Speaker 4>were doing sound check and someone from the front of

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<v Speaker 4>house started videoing it and I had never met him,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, do you know the song? And

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<v Speaker 4>he said I was in the band actually, wow. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So he sent the live recording of us to Martha

0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:09.320
<v Speaker 4>Davis and was like, these people are recovering it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but I don't know. It was cool.

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<v Speaker 3>So what kind of track is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it? Is it the kind of song that you

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<v Speaker 2>you could dance around to? Is it fast enough for that?

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<v Speaker 4>It's not fast. It's more like it's a sexy song.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of it's rap sexy, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>But in a subdued kind of way, in an attitude

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<v Speaker 4>kind of way, right, Yeah. And I get to play

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<v Speaker 4>keys on it, like trumpet, midi keys, and and that's

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<v Speaker 4>always my favorite part at the very end, to walk

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<v Speaker 4>around stage and then suddenly just rock out for for

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<v Speaker 4>however long I want to. And sometimes we on the

0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.280
<v Speaker 4>set with that one and it's like eight minutes long

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<v Speaker 4>and people can leave during it, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, right, Okay, it's fun, Okay cool. Has it just

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<v Speaker 2>been announced that you're kind of on the Arcade Fire too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's that gonna be big.

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<v Speaker 4>Shows, gonna be like like big arenas arena shows. Jeremy

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<v Speaker 4>the Drummer I met a couple of months ago in

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<v Speaker 4>Montreal and then he came to Ashville. He was playing

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<v Speaker 4>maybe what was it, He was playing a festival solo nearby,

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<v Speaker 4>and so he came to Ashville and hung and got

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<v Speaker 4>to know everybody that I know and had dinner with us,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't know, it's a nice guy, cool, So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm looking forward to it. We're going to see him,

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<v Speaker 4>I think here as well. Yeah, they're playing Here's.

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<v Speaker 2>That point tonight. Yeah. So in terms of those bigger venues,

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<v Speaker 2>are you tended to put any lights and special effects

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<v Speaker 2>on that?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I definitely want to rent some monitors.

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<v Speaker 4>I think sound is really first and foremost for me. Visuals,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I never imagined that I would be a big

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<v Speaker 4>production band like Saint Vincent or something like that. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to do that because what my music

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<v Speaker 4>is about isn't really it doesn't really go with that.

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<v Speaker 4>But it works well for those kinds of bands and

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<v Speaker 4>they look great. But like you know, I actually really

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<v Speaker 4>like mac to Marco's style because he's very despite the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that like people look at him and they think whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think smelly guy or whatever. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what they think. But they don't have like a

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<v Speaker 4>high production, and they make it happen and they're having

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<v Speaker 4>a good time and they're real with their audiences and

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<v Speaker 4>they're messing with people and themselves on stage. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's that's something I'm more envious of rather than

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<v Speaker 4>the light show. But you know, it's all different. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>when you play those seeded audiences, they're like the the theaters,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the seeded theaters. Then I kind of feel like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>we need more movement, we need lights because people just

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<v Speaker 4>sit there like this. You can't tell if they're farting

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<v Speaker 4>or if they're having a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you know, because they're looking out.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's so tired. Yeah, tired, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just thinking when's this going to end?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I'm like, get me something, just give me it,

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<v Speaker 4>Just call me something, Just yell at me. Be disrespectful.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't give me something, you know, have you?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't of imagine you get many people yelling things.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at them all the time, do you? Yeah? More so?

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<v Speaker 4>And uh, I feel like uh in Germany and the UK?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But I played a show in Belfast and there was

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<v Speaker 4>this kid knocking. It was like, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 4>the name of the venue was, but he was knocking

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<v Speaker 4>on the stage to the songs and at first I thought,

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<v Speaker 4>he is he messing with me? He's pushing me, isn't he.

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<v Speaker 4>He's trying to get to me, He's trying. And then

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<v Speaker 4>I looked down at him and he knew all the

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<v Speaker 4>words to the songs, and so I was just like,

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<v Speaker 4>I stopped the song. I was like, hey, hey, can

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<v Speaker 4>I get a picture with you? Do you can I

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<v Speaker 4>be a part of your show? Like do you mind

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<v Speaker 4>if I am a part of your show?

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<v Speaker 2>What did he say to that?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. He just looked at me bewildered, and

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<v Speaker 4>then he kept knocking on the stage, and I was like,

0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:55.000
<v Speaker 4>I got an idea. Since you know all the lyrics,

0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.480
<v Speaker 4>you're my backup singer, you stay right there and you

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<v Speaker 4>sing backup. But I already have a drummer and he's

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<v Speaker 4>right there and he's great at drums, and I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know about it. I don't know if you're doing this,

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 4>but he played along with it. We took a pick.

0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:11.320
<v Speaker 4>We stopped the show to take a pic, and he

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 4>sang with me and I looked at him and high

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<v Speaker 4>fived him. You know, Like, but in a situation where

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 4>you're not connected to that person and you're like at

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<v Speaker 4>a big show and they're far away and they're trying

0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 4>to be clever, you can't tell if they're enjoying it

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.320
<v Speaker 4>or if they're like what they're saying, if they're saying

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<v Speaker 4>like this sucks, or oh my god, this is amazing,

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.879
<v Speaker 4>because it's just it gets lost in the faces. But

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<v Speaker 4>I love those situations where I love being challenged by

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 4>that because it's like I could flip my top right now,

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.879
<v Speaker 4>but instead, I'm gonna work with this person. We're gonna

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 4>if he keeps pushing me, I'm gonna stop and I'm

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 4>gonna just sit down and I'm gonna talk to him,

0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 4>you know, and if not, then we'll move on. You know.

0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.639
<v Speaker 4>But it was really later on he apologized and he

0:23:57.680 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 4>was like, I'm just a huge fan and it was

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<v Speaker 4>really excited I did for the show, and I just

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:02.240
<v Speaker 4>wanted to play along.

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<v Speaker 2>How old was this guy?

0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.400
<v Speaker 4>I think he was young? Okay, yeah, yeah, he was brilliant.

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.480
<v Speaker 2>He was excited. That's kind of sweet. I bet one

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 2>thing you get at London shows or England shows in the.

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 4>UK roundhouse was actually pretty calm, which was awesome.

0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:19.479
<v Speaker 3>Well behaved.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you get this thing where artists that play

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<v Speaker 2>kind of minimal music or quiet music in between songs.

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I bet every now and then you get just someone

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<v Speaker 2>go fucking love your Joe. Do you get that?

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:37.720
<v Speaker 2>No, I bet you do.

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.879
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't know. I don't get any only.

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 2>No, there's a thing. It's a kind of.

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes I get I think I like you.

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I know, but I'm not sure.

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 4>I do get that.

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 2>But it's the thing.

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:56.160
<v Speaker 4>I think it's better than pick it up. It's better

0:24:56.240 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 4>than play the old stuff, dance a bit more good music.

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<v Speaker 2>You're very still.

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:04.880
<v Speaker 4>I think the funniest one I got in the UK

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 4>was at a Manchester show and it was it was fine.

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:10.479
<v Speaker 4>I was just I just kind of like I cocked

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.240
<v Speaker 4>my head at him and I was like, really, he said,

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 4>play this song on Fuck the World. I gotta make

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 4>it to the bus, and I was like, you got

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 4>to make it to the bus, you got to make

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 4>it to the bus. I'm sorry I didn't realize let's

0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:28.119
<v Speaker 4>speed up our show for you to make it to

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:28.480
<v Speaker 4>the bus.

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<v Speaker 2>This one guy.

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 4>Of course, anything for you for buying a ticket tonight,

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<v Speaker 4>the only one that matters.

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:41.159
<v Speaker 2>So you're living in Ashville, Yes, Now, how long have

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 2>you been there?

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 4>Four years?

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 2>I've been there four years and I thought it was

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of newer than you too. More than that is

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 2>that because you never get back there?

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:48.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 2>What's Ashville like?

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 4>It's gorgeous.

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 2>It's in north North Carolina.

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 4>It's uh yeah, it's in North Carolina. It's about five

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<v Speaker 4>hours east of Nashville and five hours west of coast,

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 4>so you're not really on water, but there are tons

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 4>of lakes and mountains and hikes and waterfalls and things

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.880
<v Speaker 4>like that. Small town. Nobody cares about climbing the ladder there.

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 4>Everybody is living their own life. Yeah yeah, woom Yeah.

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:18.399
<v Speaker 4>I mean winters are pretty mild. It snows a few times,

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 4>but it doesn't get too cold. Okay.

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.119
<v Speaker 2>And you moved there to kind of because you were

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 2>in Chicago before then, Yeah, and you moved there to

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of relax.

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:34.399
<v Speaker 4>Right, No, oh, you mean to relax from Ashville from Chicago?

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah Chicago, Yeah, yeah, Chicago. I just didn't feel like

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:41.239
<v Speaker 4>after traveling a lot, it just felt I don't need

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 4>to be in a big city with a ton of

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 4>energy and a ton of people all the time, moving

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 4>everywhere on top of each other, Like I don't need

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:51.879
<v Speaker 4>that as much anymore. I have that every day in

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 4>my life. Now I'm traveling. I'm seeing those big cities

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 4>all over the world. I don't need to live in one.

0:26:58.040 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 4>YEA sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So I read an interview that you did for our

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>magazine last year, just before the new record came out,

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 2>and You've said to David who has chatting to you

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.159
<v Speaker 2>about how when you go home when you're not on

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.239
<v Speaker 2>tour and you do manage to get back Toashville, you

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of switch off from music. You don't talk about

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 2>music or well.

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 4>It depends, you know. Right now, I've been writing, and

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm writing even and listening to music a lot, even

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:24.640
<v Speaker 4>though we'd played shows every single day. I like, get

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.679
<v Speaker 4>on my headphones and I'm checking out new music, and

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm in that phase. But there are phases when I

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 4>especially like the last one I went home in between

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.160
<v Speaker 4>the last tour of the West Coast tour and now

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 4>and I've got some surgery done, some like dental stuff.

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 4>I had to take care of some adult stuff, and

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 4>I've got a cat. I've just been like being domestic

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 4>and taking care of my apartment and being at home

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 4>and going on long walks and stuff. Sure, and that

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 4>has been perfect, and I haven't wanted to touch the guitar.

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 4>But now I'm getting to that point where I'm in

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 4>the middle of like one of the longest tours that

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:08.719
<v Speaker 4>we've ever done with so many people, and I, for

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 4>whatever reason, want to listen to music still. So maybe

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 4>I'll go home and it'll be like, finally I have

0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.880
<v Speaker 4>alone time to make something. Yeah, but I love living

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 4>alone because I can. I can just spend hours at home.

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 4>It's weird. I never thought I would be a person

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:27.919
<v Speaker 4>like that. I thought I would be a person who

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 4>would want to be around people all the time. But

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 4>maybe it's just the traveling thing. It just switched me

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 4>and made me more like just grateful of that. And

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 4>even if I'm not there and I'm paying money to

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 4>a lot that I'm not using, it's like totally worth

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 4>it to come home to peace and quiet and no one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 4>it's great.

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I've also read that you fairly recently started listening to

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 2>newer music, Is that right? Like, yeah, before you were

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of more into Oh.

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I don't know. When I put out

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 4>my first tape, Strange Cacti, during that time, I spent

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 4>very little time listening to anything pop anything, I guess

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 4>classic pop, which you know the word, the term pop

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 4>is changing cause indie music and pop are merging, and

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 4>what do you even call pop? That's a different conversation

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 4>and I don't really want to go into that right now,

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 4>but I will say that for the first time, I'm

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 4>appreciating the production of it and why they why it's

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.719
<v Speaker 4>done that way, even if it's not for me. You know,

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 4>I think it's fun. It's like candy, you know, It's

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 4>like getting a piece of candy. That's what it's like.

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So what have you been listening to?

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 4>What have I been listening to? Well, I haven't been.

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 4>I've I've gone in and out of phases of stuff.

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 4>But I was listening to that new Miley Cyrus because

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 4>it's very different than her last record. And if you

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 4>don't know the word, the name of the song is

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 4>Malibu so pretty cool, pretty cool. She's going back to

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 4>her roots and I respect that and for the longest time,

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 4>our sound engineer was checking the rooms with Carl Ray

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 4>Jebson and that's fine, yeah and yeah, and then eventually

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 4>you're just like, I know this song like the back

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 4>of my hand?

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Which song was I really like you?

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? That one? Yeah, And then he switched it to

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 4>a different artist who sings.

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:30.480
<v Speaker 2>What is it?

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 4>He just switches it all the time. Now he's been

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 4>playing York's debut, which I love and I hadn't listened

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 4>to since I was like seventeen. But yeah, yeah, I

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 4>don't know. As far as music that I've been listening

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 4>to non pop, I've been listening to a lot of

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 4>this woman of Violetta Para. She's like a Chilean poet.

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 4>A lot of people covered her songs, but she has

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 4>this song about returning to being seventeen, and it's really beautiful,

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 4>and the way she sings it is very different than

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.239
<v Speaker 4>the way other people's other people have covered it, so

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 4>I think it's more interesting to go back to the

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 4>original version of things. Like I also like been listening

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:17.479
<v Speaker 4>to Barry GiB eighties eighties very GiB. He made this

0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 4>solo demo record and then gave the songs to Dolly

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 4>Parton and who's the guy, the cheesy guy who's sang

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 4>with Dolly Parton and Islands in the Stream. Anyway, Barry

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 4>Gibbs version is way better. I wish that Dolly had

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 4>sang it with him, because he's just I don't know why.

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 4>I just suddenly, like developed an interest in eighties very good,

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 4>but I just did, and I can't you know. And

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 4>then I just started listening to Elo. I had never

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 4>listened to television or I mean a telephone line ever before.

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't know how I missed that, but I like

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 4>that song a lot. I've been listening to that I repeat,

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 4>and I've been listening to what else? JJ Cale. I

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 4>found this amazing box set of JJ Cale records. It's

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 4>like three from nineteen sixty eight to seventy three, or

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 4>maybe it's seventy three to eighty something. I don't know,

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 4>but beautiful olive green like with vintage style font. It's

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 4>so nice. And I found it at this Italian record

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 4>store of all places. But yeah, I know, I've been

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 4>been really getting deep into some stuff. And I saw

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 4>this guy play yesterday at Bad Bone. His name's Norberto.

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 4>He's Portuguese. Guitarist and I can't remember his last name,

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 4>but he plays guitar, like how do you say, like

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 4>Carlos Perets mixed with Max Oaks, you know, mixed with

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 4>like Chris Spedding, but like the like Chris Betting that

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 4>doesn't sing, the Chris Betting that played guitar, like blues

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 4>guitar and like and I say Chris Betting because he's

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 4>in so many different styles and I think this guitarist

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 4>doesn't sing. You're just playing these different riffs and kind

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 4>of smoothly going from bluegrass to like traditional Portuguese and

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 4>then tuning his guitar and untuning it and working with

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 4>that and it was really cool and so been listening

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 4>to stuff like that as well.

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 3>And when you're not doing that, you roll.

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 4>A skate, right, Yeah, I actually see that's the thing.

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 4>I want to get some I don't want to get

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:32.479
<v Speaker 4>some rollies for glastow, you know. I'm trying to do that.

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to get I'm trying to do do some

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 4>some roller skates on the stage. But I don't want

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 4>to hurt myself in front of people either. That could

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 4>be a big risk liability. I don't know if they'd

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 4>let me.

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 3>I think they would be able to stop you.

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 4>I showed them videos.

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:52.479
<v Speaker 2>Maybe look it's me good. I'm good skate outside. Do

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 2>you skate? What's what kind of skates do you have?

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Do you go in line or do you go quads?

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 4>I do? What do you mean like the foot?

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 3>Did you like the two?

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 3>You don't do the inline rollerblades?

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 4>I did when I was a kid. I used to

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 4>play street hockey as a kid, and then the change

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 4>happened and I stopped. I was great at defense, and

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 4>so I got good at skating because I played hockey

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 4>outside with a bunch of boys, including family members and

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.839
<v Speaker 4>cousins and stuff, and girls too, But we got really

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 4>good at it. And then, you know, then I became

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 4>a girl, and then I gave it up, and then

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 4>I would secretly skate still, but I didn't play hockey

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<v Speaker 4>as much and developed interest in other things, obviously. But

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<v Speaker 4>now I'm just kind of like, well, maybe I'll play

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<v Speaker 4>street hockey again. Maybe I'll do that again. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 4>I put on a pair of roller skates and went

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<v Speaker 4>to a roller rink just to do it one day,

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<v Speaker 4>just to see what it was like. And it was

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<v Speaker 4>the best sober thing that I could have ever done

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<v Speaker 4>in my whole life, like kids doing the socop And

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<v Speaker 4>in Asheville especially there was this one, the one that

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<v Speaker 4>I shot my videos at called Tar Wheels and so,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's just like stuck in time, like stuck in

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<v Speaker 4>the seventies. The lights are have probably haven't been changed

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<v Speaker 4>in years, like same signage and everything. And you see

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<v Speaker 4>these all sorts of people and live in Asheville, you know, creatives, hicks,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, just all kinds kinds of hipsters and scenesters,

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<v Speaker 4>but then also retirees and you know, so it was

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<v Speaker 4>an interesting scene. And when I would go, i'd go

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<v Speaker 4>and listen to music on my headphones and just skate

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<v Speaker 4>in circles. And one day I saw this guy in

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<v Speaker 4>a wheelchair just sitting there and one of the employees

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<v Speaker 4>came up behind him and rolled him around, and I

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<v Speaker 4>thought it was the sweetest thing. I was like, this

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<v Speaker 4>is why you skate because stuff like that, You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just like simple, simple happiness and it doesn't require

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<v Speaker 4>anything from anyone. You're just happy and everyone else is happy.

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<v Speaker 4>They're having a good.

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<v Speaker 2>Timey of skating. So when you skate, do you skate

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<v Speaker 2>at rinks, or do you skate out.

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<v Speaker 4>To skated rinks?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, do you have a skate to the shops?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't know. If it'd had to be a

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<v Speaker 4>smooth gravel road, like a freshly paved road, That's what

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<v Speaker 4>happened in my video. I found this like one street

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<v Speaker 4>that had just been paved, and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 4>could be amazing or I could really each but it

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<v Speaker 4>ended up working out, and I didn't you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>had some people there to help me if I fell,

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<v Speaker 4>So that's okay. But yeah, on the last couple of tours,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, talking about David Bowie and the reason why

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<v Speaker 4>I even am obsessed with skating is just that that's

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<v Speaker 4>when I for the first time really really listened to

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<v Speaker 4>David Bowie's when I started getting back into skating, and

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<v Speaker 4>it made sense to me, especially the disco stuff coming

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<v Speaker 4>out in the seventies, why it was for skating rinks

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<v Speaker 4>and why it sounds so good there because it's like

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<v Speaker 4>it goes well with skating, it goes well with flying,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. And I went to this David Bowie like

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<v Speaker 4>memorial in LA when we were recording, just to take

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<v Speaker 4>a break, and everyone was dressed up like Bowie from

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<v Speaker 4>a different era, and it was like a clown's funeral procession.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone was like there were so many people there that

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<v Speaker 4>people could hardly skate, and everyone was dressed up. It

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<v Speaker 4>was the most amazing thing that I've ever seen. You know, well,

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<v Speaker 4>at least I know that sounds that sounds fake, but

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<v Speaker 4>you know, for David Bowie. In relation to David Bowie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have you seen the video, Cliff Richard video Wired

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<v Speaker 2>for Sound. I'm going to leave you with that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just going to leave you with thatation.

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<v Speaker 4>What is it called? Wild for Sound?

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<v Speaker 3>Wired for Sound?

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<v Speaker 4>Wired for Sound? That's that that English accent that I like?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, mine's quite odd.

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<v Speaker 2>Wired for Sound for Sound Sound, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Check it out. I think you'll like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like to me, it feels like it ticks

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of boxes for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool Cliff Richard.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll see and then I'll see what you think about

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<v Speaker 4>me by that statement.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm confident with that.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Okay, all right, me too.

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