Speaker 1: Loud and Quiet Presents midnight Chats.
Speaker 2: Just wait for that car to go past. Hey, there
Speaker 2: it goes. Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Loud and Quiet
Speaker 2: Interview Podcast. The reason you could hear a car going
Speaker 2: past my flat then is because, for once, the window
Speaker 2: is open, and the window is open because it's been
Speaker 2: twenty seven degrees hot here. That's not a sentence, but
Speaker 2: it's been warm and so warm. In fact, I'm wearing
Speaker 2: shorts and I think my neighbors will appreciate it. To
Speaker 2: give you an idea of the skin tone that I
Speaker 2: work with on a yearly basis, it is below white.
Speaker 2: It's paler than white and like a kind of frozen chicken.
Speaker 2: That's my vibe. And hey, it doesn't work for everyone,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I feel like it works for me.
Speaker 2: So let me tell you about who we've got on
Speaker 2: the podcast this week. We've got a bit of a
Speaker 2: special one because this one was recorded whilst we were
Speaker 2: somewhere even hotter than London is right now. We went
Speaker 2: to Primavera Sound Where, which is in Barcelona. It's a
Speaker 2: great festival and you should everyone should go. Everyone should
Speaker 2: go every year. It has an incredible lineup and consistently so,
Speaker 2: and we're very lucky.
Speaker 3: At Laden, quite weird.
Speaker 2: We're a partner of theirs and we work with them,
Speaker 2: have done for the past five years or so, so
Speaker 2: we go out each year and this year at the festival,
Speaker 2: I met up with Angel Olsen, who was playing on
Speaker 2: the final day on a Saturday, and she'd just arrived
Speaker 2: from Switzerland. She'd been driving overnight when we recorded this conversation,
Speaker 2: and we met in a hotel lobby of a hotel
Speaker 2: called the Princess, which is where all the bands stay
Speaker 2: inside a tip.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 2: It's no security at the door of the Princess, so
Speaker 2: if you are a fan of bands and you go
Speaker 2: to Primavera, you can have a little look in there
Speaker 2: and you can maybe see someone as famous as Stuart
Speaker 2: Braithwaite from Monquai having a coke.
Speaker 3: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Well, we met in this lobby and for that reason,
Speaker 2: there is quite a bit of background noise on this
Speaker 2: episode of the podcast, for which I apologize. It was
Speaker 2: hard to find a quiet corner to have a chat
Speaker 2: with Angel, but we had a fun chat. There are
Speaker 2: some laughs to be had and we were talking about,
Speaker 2: amongst other things, Angel's hobby of roller skating. She's very
Speaker 2: good at roller skating, and also some of her friends
Speaker 2: who were playing the festival. One of the great things
Speaker 2: about Primavera for the bands at least is that a
Speaker 2: lot of their mates tend to play at the same time.
Speaker 2: For Angel, that includes people like Mac DeMarco, Kevin Malby,
Speaker 2: Alex Cameron, and Whitney, all of whom gets shamelessly name
Speaker 2: dropped within our conversation. They are a group of musicians
Speaker 2: who share very similar sense of humors, if not musical styles.
Speaker 2: And that's probably all you need to know about this
Speaker 2: week's podcast. If you missed last week's with Toddler t
Speaker 2: that Greg did, I highly recommend listening back to that
Speaker 2: one in particular. It's a great episode and Toddler t
Speaker 2: It's just a really interesting guy and knows a hell
Speaker 2: of a lot about music, So please do check that out.
Speaker 2: For now, at least, here is my conversation with Angel Olsen.
Speaker 4: Last night was the first night that I actually I
Speaker 4: was pretty sober for the show, so I was like,
Speaker 4: this is a sober festival show. And then I had
Speaker 4: a little bit of wine on the bus and then
Speaker 4: went to sleep and I woke up at like nine today,
Speaker 4: so I feel great.
Speaker 3: Would tonight be a sober show?
Speaker 4: I don't know, it depends. I just wanted to take
Speaker 4: a break. We've been on the road for a long time.
Speaker 4: I might run, might do some exercises.
Speaker 3: Do you have a do you try and have a
Speaker 3: keep fit regime?
Speaker 4: On the not? Really? It's weird, you know, you drink
Speaker 4: at least. Our group is split between people who don't
Speaker 4: drink at all and people who drink every night. And
Speaker 4: some people stay up in their night owls, and I
Speaker 4: tend to stay up. But for whatever reason, I even
Speaker 4: if I stay up till four or something, I always
Speaker 4: wake up early, and at least on this tour, and
Speaker 4: I just the eating habits are very strange because you're
Speaker 4: just waiting to get to a venue. So I eat
Speaker 4: like half an avocado for breakfast, you know, and just
Speaker 4: like wait it out. And then yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I eat less on tour because I'm just
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's like nervous energy, but I'm not nervous.
Speaker 4: It's just I'm doing a lot, so I get locked
Speaker 4: into work and I'm not as gluttonous. But everyone in
Speaker 4: the group kind of wants to exercise at some point.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of cool to have a partner in
Speaker 4: crime when you need to do that.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 2: So we're in the Prince hates is this way because
Speaker 2: you've played Primula before you?
Speaker 4: I played I played an indoor show and it was
Speaker 4: maybe maybe it was at the theater.
Speaker 2: A few years ago, just across the street there.
Speaker 4: Maybe so. And it was with Grouper and one on Molina.
Speaker 2: Oh but you've not played headlined, but it was.
Speaker 4: It was like an after show to the festival. Sure,
Speaker 4: but inside so it was cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I know what you mean. I think
Speaker 2: that might have been in town. Yeah maybe so, like
Speaker 2: the Sunday after the first yeah yeah, okay, and when
Speaker 2: you stayed that time?
Speaker 3: Did you stay here in this hotel?
Speaker 4: I don't remember if I did or not.
Speaker 2: I think this is the from my understanding, this is
Speaker 2: the hotel that means you've made it if they put
Speaker 2: you in this one.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is the Princess.
Speaker 2: One, Princess Hotel, This is the Princesses.
Speaker 4: This is the where princeship base.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be at a certain level to
Speaker 2: get to this one. And well, so you've made it.
Speaker 4: Congratulat lying to me. That makes me feel good. I appreciate.
Speaker 2: No, I think that is. I think that's the case.
Speaker 2: And the other thing I get the impression about pro
Speaker 2: and I've heard this from other bands that I've spoken
Speaker 2: to about it is that they kind of look after
Speaker 2: their artists. We were talking about we were just talking
Speaker 2: about that. What was the festival you've just played last night?
Speaker 2: Bond bed Bond. Yeah, that's that's your hot tip. It
Speaker 2: looks amazing from those photos you just showed.
Speaker 4: I mean, I could write a book about the perfect
Speaker 4: festival versus the imperfect festival, but I won't. I'll just
Speaker 4: say some people have it together. And I think sometimes
Speaker 4: it has to do with how small it is, and
Speaker 4: other times it has to do with how long the
Speaker 4: festival's been going on, you know, But it's it's a
Speaker 4: it's always a surprise each time for me.
Speaker 2: What are the big don't when putting on a festival?
Speaker 2: From your point of view.
Speaker 4: Oh, don't feed us the you know, they give the
Speaker 4: people that come to the festival all the all the
Speaker 4: trailers of food. That's interesting. It's like, ah, here's a
Speaker 4: nice trailer, let's put it out here, and then they
Speaker 4: feed the artists like.
Speaker 2: Fish and beans is fish and beans?
Speaker 4: No, but you know like or like it's like deep
Speaker 4: fried falaffel thing with just like that's kind of like
Speaker 4: vaguely cold, like it's kind of cold, and then like
Speaker 4: something else and they're like, why are they feeding us
Speaker 4: like cattle when we're the ones performing? This is backwards.
Speaker 2: Food is number one number one.
Speaker 4: Got to gotta get like healthy, healthy stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: stuff that anybody can eat, you know, for me, that's
Speaker 4: Mediterranean food. Just have make some make some salads, get
Speaker 4: them to bully in there for the for the artists,
Speaker 4: you know, keep them regular.
Speaker 2: What's the what's the worst thing you've a at a festival?
Speaker 4: Ah? I think probably a really bad falafel, like a
Speaker 4: falafful sandwich at a German festival, which it was like,
Speaker 4: this is isn't a falafel, This is something else and
Speaker 4: I don't know what this is, but it's not.
Speaker 3: A falafel, this unidentified food.
Speaker 4: It's gray food.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: In a strange way, as a non artist, this makes
Speaker 2: me feel a little better because I always thought that no,
Speaker 2: you'd be eating like well sometimes kings and queens.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it'll be like at Primavera, but
Speaker 4: bad one was great. They do take care of RRA.
Speaker 2: Okay, the food out front here is good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it feels good so far.
Speaker 2: So maybe if you're if you're getting if you get
Speaker 2: some gray food, just you should nip out the front.
Speaker 2: They have a good thing.
Speaker 4: It's not like the ultimate priority, but it's definitely a
Speaker 4: symbol for how things will go that day. It's like, well,
Speaker 4: if the food for us is for cattle, then what
Speaker 4: else for us is for cattle?
Speaker 2: Are we going to get the sound of a cattle?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Are we going to get the attitude of someone
Speaker 4: who hates being an engineer and hates being here and
Speaker 4: isn't paid well and just agreed to do this but
Speaker 4: is totally regretting it. Are we going to get that today?
Speaker 4: Or we're going to get but the nicest guy who
Speaker 4: somehow still loves putting on thirty shows in three days
Speaker 4: and has no problem with it. It's it's really full
Speaker 4: spectrum every single time you go to a festival.
Speaker 2: I've got a good feeling about tonight. I think it's
Speaker 2: going to be I'm going to be positive for you
Speaker 2: that it's going to be a good experience. You're on
Speaker 2: at the ray band stage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope they'll give me some glasses because it's
Speaker 4: kind of sunny.
Speaker 2: Out there, and that's got to be part of the deal,
Speaker 2: isn't it, Like if you're playing in the ray band stage,
Speaker 2: you must get free ray band Well I'm going to try, surely.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's the best stage on the site. Have
Speaker 2: you seen that one?
Speaker 4: That's I just arrived, but I haven't been over. There
Speaker 4: are bus parked on the opposite side, so we'll see.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's like an amphitheater.
Speaker 4: I heard steps.
Speaker 2: Have you seen who you're up against tonight?
Speaker 4: I don't know who I'm up against. I don't like
Speaker 4: to view it that way. But George is playing right
Speaker 4: after us, a tribute to Bowie, and I'm like psyched
Speaker 4: that he's going to be on the stage right next
Speaker 4: to us. So that's cool.
Speaker 2: So I I have looked into who's next, who you're
Speaker 2: up against? Would you rather me not say?
Speaker 4: I mean, why are you trying to make me feel competitive? Well?
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, do you generally when
Speaker 2: you come to a festival, do you look into that
Speaker 2: or do you just think I.
Speaker 4: Never look at the schedules. I don't. I had to
Speaker 4: look and see what day it was today. I didn't know.
Speaker 3: That's the life of a touring.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're just going. You're just going. Every day is
Speaker 4: the same but different. You just try to find the facts.
Speaker 4: Where can I use the restroom? Where can I shower?
Speaker 4: Where can I get free food? What's the Wi Fi? Oh?
Speaker 4: The free food is gross? Where can I get better food? Okay?
Speaker 4: What time do we need to be at the stage?
Speaker 4: Is the sound engineering nice? Oh he's not nice? Oh
Speaker 4: he is? When do we need to do this? And
Speaker 4: then you just you have it all out? But you
Speaker 4: do it day by day. Why would I want to
Speaker 4: know that ahead of time? I want to know ahead.
Speaker 2: So after your set tonight, what will be what will
Speaker 2: be your plan? Are you're not that aware of who
Speaker 2: else is playing tonight after you either?
Speaker 4: You know? I know that I missed Kevin Morby and Macmarca,
Speaker 4: which is unfortunate, and that Alex Cameron is going to
Speaker 4: be playing at what is it called.
Speaker 2: He's playing in the auditorium across there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I want to see him, but I don't
Speaker 4: know if I can because he's so far away from
Speaker 4: where I'm going to be playing like overlapping with him,
Speaker 4: but his mother's in town and I love her. She's
Speaker 4: very different than him.
Speaker 3: Are you good friends with Alex?
Speaker 4: I love him, he's the best.
Speaker 3: And Roy Malloy.
Speaker 4: Roy malloy is number one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that good guys. I'm kind of it's a little
Speaker 2: bit of a shame that they're.
Speaker 3: In the inside auditory so too.
Speaker 2: I feel like I should be on an outside stage.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh they could just maybe when they're finished, I'll
Speaker 4: have them finish off my set if I feel like,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if they'd let me do that,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I think. I think they're really brilliant and
Speaker 4: I'm glad that we're playing this day at least, and
Speaker 4: that they're playing this festival because they totally deserve it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you might meet up with them afterwards.
Speaker 4: Definitely, Yeah, because we're off tomorrow. I don't know what
Speaker 4: they're doing tomorrow, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. That does seem to be the good thing
Speaker 2: about Freemaber is there are so many bands that kind
Speaker 2: of seem to be but buddies and they all kind
Speaker 2: of hang out. So last night at mac Show, the
Speaker 2: guys from Whitney came out and we're playing some very
Speaker 2: out of time bongos with them.
Speaker 4: Cool, but they looked good.
Speaker 3: They looked good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they always look good. They look they look like
Speaker 4: straight out of a Levi's jeans.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sickening.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely sickening.
Speaker 4: I think, you know. I didn't want to give this away,
Speaker 4: but me, Kevin Morby and al Kam were talking about
Speaker 4: remaking one of their videos. Yeah, so we might do
Speaker 4: that later. That's what we were going to do in Barcelona,
Speaker 4: but then I found out we're all playing at different times,
Speaker 4: so it's kind of a bummer.
Speaker 2: So Kevin played on first day and he at this
Speaker 2: point at the festival seen as we're on the last day,
Speaker 2: he is the best dressed man at the festival as
Speaker 2: so far. He was wearing a white suit with musical
Speaker 2: black musical notes, Oh nice dotted around it.
Speaker 4: It's very Elton John of him.
Speaker 2: It was it was, yeah, it was really look at you.
Speaker 4: I heard that he jumped off of a pier after
Speaker 4: his set. Is that true? Oh? He's and a security
Speaker 4: guard ran after him.
Speaker 2: I really yeah. I mean he may have done that.
Speaker 4: I like him, but maybe he was feeling he just
Speaker 4: got a wild hair.
Speaker 2: He might have done that once he got off the stage,
Speaker 2: but he must have. He would have had to run
Speaker 2: round the Back's so cool, he finished on a cover
Speaker 2: of Sweet Jane.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and it was good. Yeah you said you
Speaker 4: said that, like it was good.
Speaker 2: It was good because it was disappointing. But I hate
Speaker 2: seeing these guys who were good at things.
Speaker 3: It makes me feel indicate me too.
Speaker 4: It's like when I see a really beautiful woman, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I hate myself. I hate myself, but not in a
Speaker 4: like I actually hate myself or that I'm jealous. It's
Speaker 4: more like there's it's just too much.
Speaker 2: It's just unfair it is, and it's.
Speaker 4: Too much, and I can't hate you.
Speaker 2: That's what it's like with those Whitney boys. That's how
Speaker 2: I feel looking at them, Like you.
Speaker 4: Could just be wearing a trash bag, you know, and
Speaker 4: you'd still look.
Speaker 2: I hate people like that. Maybe I'm sure they're lovely.
Speaker 2: This is worse when they're nice. I have a friend
Speaker 2: like that who.
Speaker 4: Because you really just want to be critical and then
Speaker 4: you're like, oh man, but she was like creally nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's kind of fine if they look incredible, but they're
Speaker 2: like an awful person. Because that's your that's what you
Speaker 2: hang on to. You think, well, at least I'm nicer
Speaker 2: than them. So Kevin's Kevin's been the best dressed and
Speaker 2: Mac DeMarco's drummer didn't wear anything.
Speaker 4: Oh well, not surprised by that.
Speaker 2: I think you must have snuck out on a towel
Speaker 2: in a with a towel wrap around him, because there
Speaker 2: was a towel on his drum stool. But there was
Speaker 2: a great reveal maybe like it was in the first
Speaker 2: song where the camera panned around the back of his
Speaker 2: kit to reveal that he was completely naked.
Speaker 3: He had a hat on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well, as long as he had a
Speaker 4: hat on, he had something.
Speaker 3: He's not a monster.
Speaker 4: They knew what they were doing there, They.
Speaker 3: Very much knew what they would do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were trying to own it there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm sure Alex Cameron will probably and
Speaker 2: Roy will look great. You've kind of do you feel
Speaker 2: the pressure now that you I mean, what are you
Speaker 2: what are you going to be wearing?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, you need to Maybe I'll wear
Speaker 4: a swimsuit, I don't know, and then I'll jump off the.
Speaker 2: Stage like yeah, you need to you need to do
Speaker 2: something outrageous.
Speaker 4: Now, you know. That's the thing though, when you play
Speaker 4: these big festivals, people want you to have on the
Speaker 4: light show and they wanted to be theatrical, and they
Speaker 4: want you to be like loud with lights and like adventures.
Speaker 4: But to me, it's really always been about the music.
Speaker 4: And if I'm not moving around very much on stage,
Speaker 4: it's because I'm trying to trying to give one hundred
Speaker 4: percent of my voice, you know. But it's curious to
Speaker 4: see these other bands, and I don't know. I think
Speaker 4: my group is more like a soul group. Like they're
Speaker 4: very like they keep it together. It's very smooth. But
Speaker 4: there are moments when I can put down my guitar
Speaker 4: and I can run around, and those are the freeing moments.
Speaker 4: And maybe we'll play one of those songs today, but
Speaker 4: it's very I like to do that every now and then,
Speaker 4: just because I'm just like, come on, I gotta move
Speaker 4: around now. I can't just stand here and hold this
Speaker 4: down all the time, you know. And I play rhythm guitar,
Speaker 4: so it's like two things at once. I'm not just singing,
Speaker 4: but I would like to dance around more. I think
Speaker 4: that would be cool.
Speaker 2: Are there any tracks where you put the guitar down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's one called the Waiting, which is from Halfway Home,
Speaker 4: which was the first full length record, and we've been
Speaker 4: playing that one live. And then there's another one called
Speaker 4: Total Control. It's a cover that we've been doing by
Speaker 4: the Motels right. Yeah, do you know the Motelles. I
Speaker 4: didn't know them either until I was in Australia and
Speaker 4: then this guy Jack Ladder, who's opening up for us
Speaker 4: Tim Rogers. He was like, Angel, come to my room,
Speaker 4: let me play you something whatever. He has this like
Speaker 4: really thick Australian accent and he's like giant, you know.
Speaker 4: And he also very well dressed. Also very well dressed
Speaker 4: those all season and what's up. But he was playing
Speaker 4: this track for me, and I was like, how do
Speaker 4: I not hear this? How have I not heard this before?
Speaker 4: It sounds like it would would have come out of
Speaker 4: the same phase as like Blondie, pre pop Blondie or
Speaker 4: pre like disco Blondie, you know. And yeah, so I
Speaker 4: checked it out and then I got obsessed with the
Speaker 4: song and we decided to play it and we played
Speaker 4: in La at this I don't know what the name
Speaker 4: of the venue was but we played this place. We
Speaker 4: were doing sound check and someone from the front of
Speaker 4: house started videoing it and I had never met him,
Speaker 4: and I was like, do you know the song? And
Speaker 4: he said I was in the band actually, wow. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So he sent the live recording of us to Martha
Speaker 4: Davis and was like, these people are recovering it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I don't know. It was cool.
Speaker 3: So what kind of track is it?
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it the kind of song that you
Speaker 2: you could dance around to? Is it fast enough for that?
Speaker 4: It's not fast. It's more like it's a sexy song.
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's rap sexy, okay.
Speaker 4: But in a subdued kind of way, in an attitude
Speaker 4: kind of way, right, Yeah. And I get to play
Speaker 4: keys on it, like trumpet, midi keys, and and that's
Speaker 4: always my favorite part at the very end, to walk
Speaker 4: around stage and then suddenly just rock out for for
Speaker 4: however long I want to. And sometimes we on the
Speaker 4: set with that one and it's like eight minutes long
Speaker 4: and people can leave during it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right, Okay, it's fun, Okay cool. Has it just
Speaker 2: been announced that you're kind of on the Arcade Fire too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's that gonna be big.
Speaker 4: Shows, gonna be like like big arenas arena shows. Jeremy
Speaker 4: the Drummer I met a couple of months ago in
Speaker 4: Montreal and then he came to Ashville. He was playing
Speaker 4: maybe what was it, He was playing a festival solo nearby,
Speaker 4: and so he came to Ashville and hung and got
Speaker 4: to know everybody that I know and had dinner with us,
Speaker 4: and I don't know, it's a nice guy, cool, So
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to it. We're going to see him,
Speaker 4: I think here as well. Yeah, they're playing Here's.
Speaker 2: That point tonight. Yeah. So in terms of those bigger venues,
Speaker 2: are you tended to put any lights and special effects
Speaker 2: on that?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I definitely want to rent some monitors.
Speaker 4: I think sound is really first and foremost for me. Visuals,
Speaker 4: Like I never imagined that I would be a big
Speaker 4: production band like Saint Vincent or something like that. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't want to do that because what my music
Speaker 4: is about isn't really it doesn't really go with that.
Speaker 4: But it works well for those kinds of bands and
Speaker 4: they look great. But like you know, I actually really
Speaker 4: like mac to Marco's style because he's very despite the
Speaker 4: fact that like people look at him and they think whatever.
Speaker 4: You know, I think smelly guy or whatever. I don't
Speaker 4: know what they think. But they don't have like a
Speaker 4: high production, and they make it happen and they're having
Speaker 4: a good time and they're real with their audiences and
Speaker 4: they're messing with people and themselves on stage. And I
Speaker 4: think it's that's something I'm more envious of rather than
Speaker 4: the light show. But you know, it's all different. You know,
Speaker 4: when you play those seeded audiences, they're like the the theaters,
Speaker 4: you know, the seeded theaters. Then I kind of feel like, Okay,
Speaker 4: we need more movement, we need lights because people just
Speaker 4: sit there like this. You can't tell if they're farting
Speaker 4: or if they're having a good time.
Speaker 2: Or you know, because they're looking out.
Speaker 4: So it's so tired. Yeah, tired, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thinking when's this going to end?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm like, get me something, just give me it,
Speaker 4: Just call me something, Just yell at me. Be disrespectful.
Speaker 4: I don't give me something, you know, have you?
Speaker 2: I can't of imagine you get many people yelling things.
Speaker 4: Look at them all the time, do you? Yeah? More so?
Speaker 4: And uh, I feel like uh in Germany and the UK?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But I played a show in Belfast and there was
Speaker 4: this kid knocking. It was like, I don't know what
Speaker 4: the name of the venue was, but he was knocking
Speaker 4: on the stage to the songs and at first I thought,
Speaker 4: he is he messing with me? He's pushing me, isn't he.
Speaker 4: He's trying to get to me, He's trying. And then
Speaker 4: I looked down at him and he knew all the
Speaker 4: words to the songs, and so I was just like,
Speaker 4: I stopped the song. I was like, hey, hey, can
Speaker 4: I get a picture with you? Do you can I
Speaker 4: be a part of your show? Like do you mind
Speaker 4: if I am a part of your show?
Speaker 2: What did he say to that?
Speaker 4: I don't know. He just looked at me bewildered, and
Speaker 4: then he kept knocking on the stage, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I got an idea. Since you know all the lyrics,
Speaker 4: you're my backup singer, you stay right there and you
Speaker 4: sing backup. But I already have a drummer and he's
Speaker 4: right there and he's great at drums, and I don't
Speaker 4: know about it. I don't know if you're doing this,
Speaker 4: but he played along with it. We took a pick.
Speaker 4: We stopped the show to take a pic, and he
Speaker 4: sang with me and I looked at him and high
Speaker 4: fived him. You know, Like, but in a situation where
Speaker 4: you're not connected to that person and you're like at
Speaker 4: a big show and they're far away and they're trying
Speaker 4: to be clever, you can't tell if they're enjoying it
Speaker 4: or if they're like what they're saying, if they're saying
Speaker 4: like this sucks, or oh my god, this is amazing,
Speaker 4: because it's just it gets lost in the faces. But
Speaker 4: I love those situations where I love being challenged by
Speaker 4: that because it's like I could flip my top right now,
Speaker 4: but instead, I'm gonna work with this person. We're gonna
Speaker 4: if he keeps pushing me, I'm gonna stop and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna just sit down and I'm gonna talk to him,
Speaker 4: you know, and if not, then we'll move on. You know.
Speaker 4: But it was really later on he apologized and he
Speaker 4: was like, I'm just a huge fan and it was
Speaker 4: really excited I did for the show, and I just
Speaker 4: wanted to play along.
Speaker 2: How old was this guy?
Speaker 4: I think he was young? Okay, yeah, yeah, he was brilliant.
Speaker 2: He was excited. That's kind of sweet. I bet one
Speaker 2: thing you get at London shows or England shows in the.
Speaker 4: UK roundhouse was actually pretty calm, which was awesome.
Speaker 3: Well behaved.
Speaker 2: But do you get this thing where artists that play
Speaker 2: kind of minimal music or quiet music in between songs.
Speaker 2: I bet every now and then you get just someone
Speaker 2: go fucking love your Joe. Do you get that?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I bet you do.
Speaker 4: No, I don't know. I don't get any only.
Speaker 2: No, there's a thing. It's a kind of.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I get I think I like you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: I do get that.
Speaker 2: But it's the thing.
Speaker 4: I think it's better than pick it up. It's better
Speaker 4: than play the old stuff, dance a bit more good music.
Speaker 2: You're very still.
Speaker 4: I think the funniest one I got in the UK
Speaker 4: was at a Manchester show and it was it was fine.
Speaker 4: I was just I just kind of like I cocked
Speaker 4: my head at him and I was like, really, he said,
Speaker 4: play this song on Fuck the World. I gotta make
Speaker 4: it to the bus, and I was like, you got
Speaker 4: to make it to the bus, you got to make
Speaker 4: it to the bus. I'm sorry I didn't realize let's
Speaker 4: speed up our show for you to make it to
Speaker 4: the bus.
Speaker 2: This one guy.
Speaker 4: Of course, anything for you for buying a ticket tonight,
Speaker 4: the only one that matters.
Speaker 2: So you're living in Ashville, Yes, Now, how long have
Speaker 2: you been there?
Speaker 4: Four years?
Speaker 2: I've been there four years and I thought it was
Speaker 2: kind of newer than you too. More than that is
Speaker 2: that because you never get back there?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What's Ashville like?
Speaker 4: It's gorgeous.
Speaker 2: It's in north North Carolina.
Speaker 4: It's uh yeah, it's in North Carolina. It's about five
Speaker 4: hours east of Nashville and five hours west of coast,
Speaker 4: so you're not really on water, but there are tons
Speaker 4: of lakes and mountains and hikes and waterfalls and things
Speaker 4: like that. Small town. Nobody cares about climbing the ladder there.
Speaker 4: Everybody is living their own life. Yeah yeah, woom Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean winters are pretty mild. It snows a few times,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't get too cold. Okay.
Speaker 2: And you moved there to kind of because you were
Speaker 2: in Chicago before then, Yeah, and you moved there to
Speaker 2: kind of relax.
Speaker 4: Right, No, oh, you mean to relax from Ashville from Chicago?
Speaker 4: Yeah Chicago, Yeah, yeah, Chicago. I just didn't feel like
Speaker 4: after traveling a lot, it just felt I don't need
Speaker 4: to be in a big city with a ton of
Speaker 4: energy and a ton of people all the time, moving
Speaker 4: everywhere on top of each other, Like I don't need
Speaker 4: that as much anymore. I have that every day in
Speaker 4: my life. Now I'm traveling. I'm seeing those big cities
Speaker 4: all over the world. I don't need to live in one.
Speaker 4: YEA sure.
Speaker 2: So I read an interview that you did for our
Speaker 2: magazine last year, just before the new record came out,
Speaker 2: and You've said to David who has chatting to you
Speaker 2: about how when you go home when you're not on
Speaker 2: tour and you do manage to get back Toashville, you
Speaker 2: kind of switch off from music. You don't talk about
Speaker 2: music or well.
Speaker 4: It depends, you know. Right now, I've been writing, and
Speaker 4: I'm writing even and listening to music a lot, even
Speaker 4: though we'd played shows every single day. I like, get
Speaker 4: on my headphones and I'm checking out new music, and
Speaker 4: I'm in that phase. But there are phases when I
Speaker 4: especially like the last one I went home in between
Speaker 4: the last tour of the West Coast tour and now
Speaker 4: and I've got some surgery done, some like dental stuff.
Speaker 4: I had to take care of some adult stuff, and
Speaker 4: I've got a cat. I've just been like being domestic
Speaker 4: and taking care of my apartment and being at home
Speaker 4: and going on long walks and stuff. Sure, and that
Speaker 4: has been perfect, and I haven't wanted to touch the guitar.
Speaker 4: But now I'm getting to that point where I'm in
Speaker 4: the middle of like one of the longest tours that
Speaker 4: we've ever done with so many people, and I, for
Speaker 4: whatever reason, want to listen to music still. So maybe
Speaker 4: I'll go home and it'll be like, finally I have
Speaker 4: alone time to make something. Yeah, but I love living
Speaker 4: alone because I can. I can just spend hours at home.
Speaker 4: It's weird. I never thought I would be a person
Speaker 4: like that. I thought I would be a person who
Speaker 4: would want to be around people all the time. But
Speaker 4: maybe it's just the traveling thing. It just switched me
Speaker 4: and made me more like just grateful of that. And
Speaker 4: even if I'm not there and I'm paying money to
Speaker 4: a lot that I'm not using, it's like totally worth
Speaker 4: it to come home to peace and quiet and no one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's great.
Speaker 2: I've also read that you fairly recently started listening to
Speaker 2: newer music, Is that right? Like, yeah, before you were
Speaker 2: kind of more into Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I don't know. When I put out
Speaker 4: my first tape, Strange Cacti, during that time, I spent
Speaker 4: very little time listening to anything pop anything, I guess
Speaker 4: classic pop, which you know the word, the term pop
Speaker 4: is changing cause indie music and pop are merging, and
Speaker 4: what do you even call pop? That's a different conversation
Speaker 4: and I don't really want to go into that right now,
Speaker 4: but I will say that for the first time, I'm
Speaker 4: appreciating the production of it and why they why it's
Speaker 4: done that way, even if it's not for me. You know,
Speaker 4: I think it's fun. It's like candy, you know, It's
Speaker 4: like getting a piece of candy. That's what it's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what have you been listening to?
Speaker 4: What have I been listening to? Well, I haven't been.
Speaker 4: I've I've gone in and out of phases of stuff.
Speaker 4: But I was listening to that new Miley Cyrus because
Speaker 4: it's very different than her last record. And if you
Speaker 4: don't know the word, the name of the song is
Speaker 4: Malibu so pretty cool, pretty cool. She's going back to
Speaker 4: her roots and I respect that and for the longest time,
Speaker 4: our sound engineer was checking the rooms with Carl Ray
Speaker 4: Jebson and that's fine, yeah and yeah, and then eventually
Speaker 4: you're just like, I know this song like the back
Speaker 4: of my hand?
Speaker 3: Which song was I really like you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? That one? Yeah, And then he switched it to
Speaker 4: a different artist who sings.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 4: He just switches it all the time. Now he's been
Speaker 4: playing York's debut, which I love and I hadn't listened
Speaker 4: to since I was like seventeen. But yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know. As far as music that I've been listening
Speaker 4: to non pop, I've been listening to a lot of
Speaker 4: this woman of Violetta Para. She's like a Chilean poet.
Speaker 4: A lot of people covered her songs, but she has
Speaker 4: this song about returning to being seventeen, and it's really beautiful,
Speaker 4: and the way she sings it is very different than
Speaker 4: the way other people's other people have covered it, so
Speaker 4: I think it's more interesting to go back to the
Speaker 4: original version of things. Like I also like been listening
Speaker 4: to Barry GiB eighties eighties very GiB. He made this
Speaker 4: solo demo record and then gave the songs to Dolly
Speaker 4: Parton and who's the guy, the cheesy guy who's sang
Speaker 4: with Dolly Parton and Islands in the Stream. Anyway, Barry
Speaker 4: Gibbs version is way better. I wish that Dolly had
Speaker 4: sang it with him, because he's just I don't know why.
Speaker 4: I just suddenly, like developed an interest in eighties very good,
Speaker 4: but I just did, and I can't you know. And
Speaker 4: then I just started listening to Elo. I had never
Speaker 4: listened to television or I mean a telephone line ever before.
Speaker 4: I don't know how I missed that, but I like
Speaker 4: that song a lot. I've been listening to that I repeat,
Speaker 4: and I've been listening to what else? JJ Cale. I
Speaker 4: found this amazing box set of JJ Cale records. It's
Speaker 4: like three from nineteen sixty eight to seventy three, or
Speaker 4: maybe it's seventy three to eighty something. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but beautiful olive green like with vintage style font. It's
Speaker 4: so nice. And I found it at this Italian record
Speaker 4: store of all places. But yeah, I know, I've been
Speaker 4: been really getting deep into some stuff. And I saw
Speaker 4: this guy play yesterday at Bad Bone. His name's Norberto.
Speaker 4: He's Portuguese. Guitarist and I can't remember his last name,
Speaker 4: but he plays guitar, like how do you say, like
Speaker 4: Carlos Perets mixed with Max Oaks, you know, mixed with
Speaker 4: like Chris Spedding, but like the like Chris Betting that
Speaker 4: doesn't sing, the Chris Betting that played guitar, like blues
Speaker 4: guitar and like and I say Chris Betting because he's
Speaker 4: in so many different styles and I think this guitarist
Speaker 4: doesn't sing. You're just playing these different riffs and kind
Speaker 4: of smoothly going from bluegrass to like traditional Portuguese and
Speaker 4: then tuning his guitar and untuning it and working with
Speaker 4: that and it was really cool and so been listening
Speaker 4: to stuff like that as well.
Speaker 3: And when you're not doing that, you roll.
Speaker 4: A skate, right, Yeah, I actually see that's the thing.
Speaker 4: I want to get some I don't want to get
Speaker 4: some rollies for glastow, you know. I'm trying to do that.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get I'm trying to do do some
Speaker 4: some roller skates on the stage. But I don't want
Speaker 4: to hurt myself in front of people either. That could
Speaker 4: be a big risk liability. I don't know if they'd
Speaker 4: let me.
Speaker 3: I think they would be able to stop you.
Speaker 4: I showed them videos.
Speaker 2: Maybe look it's me good. I'm good skate outside. Do
Speaker 2: you skate? What's what kind of skates do you have?
Speaker 2: Do you go in line or do you go quads?
Speaker 4: I do? What do you mean like the foot?
Speaker 3: Did you like the two?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You don't do the inline rollerblades?
Speaker 4: I did when I was a kid. I used to
Speaker 4: play street hockey as a kid, and then the change
Speaker 4: happened and I stopped. I was great at defense, and
Speaker 4: so I got good at skating because I played hockey
Speaker 4: outside with a bunch of boys, including family members and
Speaker 4: cousins and stuff, and girls too, But we got really
Speaker 4: good at it. And then, you know, then I became
Speaker 4: a girl, and then I gave it up, and then
Speaker 4: I would secretly skate still, but I didn't play hockey
Speaker 4: as much and developed interest in other things, obviously. But
Speaker 4: now I'm just kind of like, well, maybe I'll play
Speaker 4: street hockey again. Maybe I'll do that again. Yeah, because
Speaker 4: I put on a pair of roller skates and went
Speaker 4: to a roller rink just to do it one day,
Speaker 4: just to see what it was like. And it was
Speaker 4: the best sober thing that I could have ever done
Speaker 4: in my whole life, like kids doing the socop And
Speaker 4: in Asheville especially there was this one, the one that
Speaker 4: I shot my videos at called Tar Wheels and so,
Speaker 4: and it's just like stuck in time, like stuck in
Speaker 4: the seventies. The lights are have probably haven't been changed
Speaker 4: in years, like same signage and everything. And you see
Speaker 4: these all sorts of people and live in Asheville, you know, creatives, hicks,
Speaker 4: you know, just all kinds kinds of hipsters and scenesters,
Speaker 4: but then also retirees and you know, so it was
Speaker 4: an interesting scene. And when I would go, i'd go
Speaker 4: and listen to music on my headphones and just skate
Speaker 4: in circles. And one day I saw this guy in
Speaker 4: a wheelchair just sitting there and one of the employees
Speaker 4: came up behind him and rolled him around, and I
Speaker 4: thought it was the sweetest thing. I was like, this
Speaker 4: is why you skate because stuff like that, You know,
Speaker 4: it's just like simple, simple happiness and it doesn't require
Speaker 4: anything from anyone. You're just happy and everyone else is happy.
Speaker 4: They're having a good.
Speaker 2: Timey of skating. So when you skate, do you skate
Speaker 2: at rinks, or do you skate out.
Speaker 4: To skated rinks?
Speaker 3: You know, do you have a skate to the shops?
Speaker 4: No, I don't know. If it'd had to be a
Speaker 4: smooth gravel road, like a freshly paved road, That's what
Speaker 4: happened in my video. I found this like one street
Speaker 4: that had just been paved, and I was like, this
Speaker 4: could be amazing or I could really each but it
Speaker 4: ended up working out, and I didn't you know, I
Speaker 4: had some people there to help me if I fell,
Speaker 4: So that's okay. But yeah, on the last couple of tours,
Speaker 4: you know, talking about David Bowie and the reason why
Speaker 4: I even am obsessed with skating is just that that's
Speaker 4: when I for the first time really really listened to
Speaker 4: David Bowie's when I started getting back into skating, and
Speaker 4: it made sense to me, especially the disco stuff coming
Speaker 4: out in the seventies, why it was for skating rinks
Speaker 4: and why it sounds so good there because it's like
Speaker 4: it goes well with skating, it goes well with flying,
Speaker 4: you know. And I went to this David Bowie like
Speaker 4: memorial in LA when we were recording, just to take
Speaker 4: a break, and everyone was dressed up like Bowie from
Speaker 4: a different era, and it was like a clown's funeral procession.
Speaker 4: Everyone was like there were so many people there that
Speaker 4: people could hardly skate, and everyone was dressed up. It
Speaker 4: was the most amazing thing that I've ever seen. You know, well,
Speaker 4: at least I know that sounds that sounds fake, but
Speaker 4: you know, for David Bowie. In relation to David Bowie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you seen the video, Cliff Richard video Wired
Speaker 2: for Sound. I'm going to leave you with that. I'm
Speaker 2: just going to leave you with thatation.
Speaker 4: What is it called? Wild for Sound?
Speaker 3: Wired for Sound?
Speaker 4: Wired for Sound? That's that that English accent that I like?
Speaker 3: Yeah, mine's quite odd.
Speaker 2: Wired for Sound for Sound Sound, Yes.
Speaker 3: Check it out. I think you'll like it.
Speaker 2: It feels like to me, it feels like it ticks
Speaker 2: a lot of boxes for you.
Speaker 3: Cool Cliff Richard.
Speaker 4: We'll see and then I'll see what you think about
Speaker 4: me by that statement.
Speaker 3: I'm confident with that.
Speaker 4: All right, Okay, all right, me too.
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