WEBVTT - Are good samaritan laws effective? 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.560 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:13.880 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.800 and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there. 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.120 And this is Stuff you Should Know, Just a trio 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.759 of helpful types who like to go around the world 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:30.680 and escort people through crosswalks and get sued for it 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.720 is escorting someone through a busy intersection against the light, right, 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:36.240 and then you get to the other side and hold 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.519 out your hand and say, lay some bread on me, sucker. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:44.279 All these are bad ideas, they really are. They really are. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.400 But I mean we're full of those, aren't we, Chuck, 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.160 I mean just brimming with them. That's our log line 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.960 to ten plus years of bad ideas? All right? Or 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.120 oh god, you've been listening to us this whole time? 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:01.920 Are you crazy? Oh boy? So you're feeling pretty good 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:06.000 about this one, because I gotta tell you I am. Yeah. 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.600 I mean, uh, if folks listen to our I think 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.440 dare I say it was a good episode on the 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.880 very sad Case of Kitty Genovese in New York. That 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:19.640 was a good episode. You can go back and listen 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.920 to that and that's a pretty good setup because in 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.480 that just to recap very quickly, in the mid sixties, 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.480 a young woman was was raped and killed in a 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.000 very busy area of New York City, and uh, it 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.959 was very famous because many many people um supposedly heard 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.759 the attack, watched the attack, perhaps didn't do anything, made 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.080 the news, and created something that they study still today 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.160 and UH in psychology classes called the bystander effect. Yeah, 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.680 this this idea of responsibility diffusion where if you have 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.360 a bunch of people standing around no one, everybody just 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.360 assumed somebody else will help, and they don't help. Yeah, 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.440 Joshua Clark or some help. Sure, leave it up to him. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.920 And I'm sitting there like, well, obviously Chuck's gonna help. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.880 He's a better person than me. And then we're both 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.200 just staying there and do nothing. Yeah. In the meantime, 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:14.320 Jerry's just laying there with like a jolly rancher in 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.720 her throat, right, But everybody knows she can't talk anyway, 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.679 so she can't call for help. It's very hard to 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.400 tell sometimes that Jerry's in need of assistance, or if 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:27.079 she's just being Jerry right, or if she even exists. However, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.680 article says that, um, the bystander effect in this case 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.040 in particular, led to the first Good Samaritan laws in 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.160 our country. Yeah, that is not true, because two years 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.760 before that, right here in Georgia, our first laws went 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.520 into effect. Yeah. The one I found that was the 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.240 earliest was in nineteen fifty nine, five years before Kitty 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.640 Geneviz was murdered, and that was in California, and that 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:54.320 protected doctors who were administering aid in emergency situations. Hippie 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:59.160 liberal elitists out there right that the left coast. But 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.800 but the it's a weird thing to tie together the 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:06.639 bystander effect and good Samaritan laws because they don't actually 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.079 go together. They're not that you like, you want them 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.360 to fit together, but when you lay them side by side, 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.840 you're like, oh, these are these are two different types 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.120 of sea monkeys. I thought they were a husband and wife, 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:21.360 but they're not. Oh I see the correlation. I want to. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:25.160 My brain just won't quite make the the connection. Like 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:29.239 if someone had raced down to help Kitty Genevise and 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.160 render her aid and not been a bystander, then they 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.880 could you know, that falls into the Good Samaritan laws 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.400 it does, but really it falls more under like the 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.320 duty to act laws, like you'll get in trouble if 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.840 you if you are just a bystander if you don't 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.960 do something, whereas a good Samaritan law basically says, if 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.320 you do do something and you help Kitty Genevise or 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:58.160 somebody who's in trouble and you make their situation worse, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.800 you can't be sued for for rendering eight because you 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.720 were acting in good faith. So it's kind of there, 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:10.520 but it's not quite. It doesn't click. I got you, 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.920 you know what I'm saying. I hear you, all right, Okay, 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.200 I just really wanted to get that off of my chest. Well, 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.280 uh so, yeah, you just kind of said it like 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.480 those those laws are in place now as protections generally, 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.159 um for American that they happened all over the world. 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.280 We'll talk about a few of the laws here and there, 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:31.200 but uh, all fifty states and Washington, d C. The 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.960 the District of Columbia have some sort of laws on 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:38.640 the books, uh that that you can basically be protected 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:44.520 potentially and not held responsible for your actions even if 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.400 they cause harm. But because it's state law, if you're 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.560 not American, I'm not sure how it works in all countries, 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.560 but they the laws and from states to stay it 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.799 on the same thing and very wildly. Yeah, and certainly 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.240 in this case, it's what they call a patch work 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.960 of state laws in need of a federal law for sure. Yeah, 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.800 for sure. So because there's so many different laws in 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.880 so many different states. Um, you know, if the actions 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.200 that you you perform in one state might get you, 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.440 you know, you might get your mug on the front 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.559 page of the paper being celebrated, and in another state 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.599 your mugs on the front page of the paper because 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.279 you just got sued, you know. So we'll we'll dive 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.080 into that a little more. But first let's talk about 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.080 where the name for the laws come from. Chalk. Yeah, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.200 I remember this story from my church going days as 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.360 a kid. That really stood out to me back then 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.599 because uh, well it's in Luke and the story is 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:47.000 is that a Jewish man was assaulted and robbed on 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.520 the road and left for dead basically, and some people 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:57.080 passed by without rendering aid. A Jewish priest and a levite, 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.599 which is an assistant priest basically or assistant to the priest. 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.800 Do you have the impression that the priest and the 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.800 levite were together, or that the priest passed and then 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.240 at some point later on the levite passed. You know 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.919 what this is going back a lot of years, dude. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.200 But if my memory is telling me that they were 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.720 two separate things, Okay, I knew that question would pay 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:22.479 you all. But I might be wrong. But my my 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.560 old I still have some old church memories rattling around 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:30.120 in this dusty noggin. You just saw like smoke come 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:31.960 out of my ears. I thought that was a flower. 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.240 Oh sure, well, I'm gluten free though, Oh are you? No, 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.680 Emily is so by default? I sometimes I am right? Sure, No, 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.920 I know what you mean. You know that goes. But finally, 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.200 as the story goes, a Samaritan um that is a 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:51.400 person from Samaria who were bitter enemies of the Jews, 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:56.520 came by. And what did he do? He said, Hey, buddy, 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.840 you look like you're having a pretty rotten day. Let 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.120 me help you out, that's right. And he did. He 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.479 not only said here, let me let me pick you 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.640 up and get you out of this dusty road. Um, 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.560 I'm gonna take you to an inn. And not only 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.680 am I gonna do that, I'm gonna pay for your 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.440 room at the end, and then I'm gonna say it, 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:19.640 bid you a good day and good health. Audios. Enemy 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.960 And he did imagine this chuck this Good Samaritan story. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.560 It's entirely possible that this actually took place, That this 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.920 is a real story that happened, right, it's not just 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:34.560 a parable. Imagine if you were that guy, that Samaritan 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.440 who did this thing, this act of goodwill, and two 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:42.239 thousand years later, people around the world are still talking 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.920 about it. How great would that happy? You know? Yeah, 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.480 like twenty minutes after our show ends, no one's going 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.440 to talk about it, right, you know, just like all 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.559 of this the talk shows we've been on the kiss 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:01.080 of death that we have. Uh. But for sure, I 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.400 mean every even if you are like the most atheistic 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.400 agnostic human on earth, you've heard of the story of 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.120 the Good Samaritan. It's just one of those things that 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.120 is is transcended religion into pop culture. Yeah, and I 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:14.960 had never known that at the time. Like you said, 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.080 the Jews and the Samaritans hated each other, um And 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.200 apparently I looked it up. They really really did not 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.680 like each other. It wasn't just like over religious stuff. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:27.240 It was over political stuff too, and how those things intertwined. 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.920 So they really did not get along. So not only 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.960 did this guy help somebody in need, he helped an 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.240 an enemy in need. So I think he does deserve 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.320 to be to be commemorated for eons over that. Sure, 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:42.880 But that's where the name of the law comes from. 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.320 Good Samaritan laws are when you stop and help somebody, 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.920 whether it's your enemy or your friend, um, in an 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:53.839 emergency situation, typically you are you should not be penalized 0:08:54.360 --> 0:09:00.439 if your good intentions cause further harm, right, which seems 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.520 very much like a no brainer, But it is complicated. 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.840 The more you read into this stuff, the more you're like, man, 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.679 there's a lot of nuance to to the variations of 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.360 these laws. Yeah. The more you read into it, the 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.559 more you're like, I am going to end up second 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:20.080 guessing myself the next time in pace with an emergency situation, 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.880 Like I hadn't thought about it before, but it's like, yeah, 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.079 you could totally get sued for helping somebody out, depending 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.360 on where you are. Yeah, I've never come across this, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:36.120 not even close what an emergency situation I have I have? Yeah, 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.880 it was I was one of many at an accident. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:40.720 I witnessed the accident. It was like one of those 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.840 things where you see it happening, you just see it 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.120 in slow motion and you're just like trying to will 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.319 it to stop with your body and it doesn't work. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.880 It was a man who got te bowed by another 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:55.000 car that he didn't see coming. Um and uh. I 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:56.720 was one of the people on the scene kind of 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.360 helping out. It didn't even occur to me that that 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.560 that that man could be like these people hurt me, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.200 you know, in in helping I didn't touch the guy 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.080 or anything like that, but I mean other people were 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.880 and um, you know, we called for help and all that, 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.319 so I think we did it about as good as 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.840 you can. But nothing about the situation was like, well 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.280 I need to I need to watch out for my 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:24.679 legal exposure here, like something real quick, like where what 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.560 state of my end? Let me just check out what's 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.720 going on as this like you know, person is bleeding 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.400 in the street exactly, but it is nuanced and and 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.840 after reading some of these examples, I I you know, 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:39.080 I get both sides of the coin for sure. So 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.280 I mean, for example, like there are a couple of 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:47.160 things that all of this patchwork of of um of 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.920 the Good Samaritan laws will will have in common. Basically two, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.240 as this article states. One is that you can't be 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:58.600 compensated for helping out. And that's a pretty literal reading 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:03.640 of the law. I think it's meant to exempt emergency workers, paramedics, 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.640 doctors like they they've got their their whole own set 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.200 of laws governing their actions or inactions, right, so to 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.439 keep them from giving preferential treatment. I think it's mostly 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.120 to say this is meant to um, this is this 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.160 is my interpretation of it um. But from what I've 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.280 seen with Good Samaritan laws, it's it's totally in the 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.640 eye of the beholder. But the the that's meant to say, 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:31.120 like this covers non medical professionals is who we're talking about. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.440 And to to define that, they're saying this is this 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.720 covers somebody who isn't compensated for their assistance, and that's 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:42.240 been transmuted into you can't be compensated for your assistance 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:46.120 or else that that leaves you exposed to legal action later. 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.640 So when you were sort of getting around at the 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.439 beginning though, but if if you saved let's say perform 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:55.120 the Timli at a restaurant and the persons like, man, 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.840 you just say, my life, here's a here's a fins key, right, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.360 don't take that five dollar bill and also throw it 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.079 back in their face and say this is what your 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.120 life is worth, right exactly? And they say, yeah, I 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:11.000 don't really love myself. Well, then then you introduced them 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.840 to a good analyst and go about your day. Analyst? 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.440 What is that? Would mind a New Yorker in the seventies. 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.840 You sound like Carrie Green. Nobody says analysts anymore. It 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:26.000 was weird. I think that's what Bob Newhart was, was he? 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.720 I think? I think yeah, he did consider himself as 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.080 an analyst. That seems like an antiquated term though. Yes, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:37.560 now it's therapist, right or shrink Yeah yeah, shrink head 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.920 shrinker I think is the preferred term. Yeah. I don't know. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.760 I would have been in a while. Oh yeah, years. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.720 It's good. It's good. Good to go talk to people, 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.160 you know what I mean? Like, yeah, but I got 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.960 it all figured out now. Oh well, that's good. You're 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.000 cured is what they call that. Yeah, they cured me. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.599 I hope they gave your shrinking award. Yeah, do you 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.760 know what the cure is? What is not really thinking 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.160 about things too much? Yeah, that's a good that's good advice. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.679 Now I'm just kidding because people have real problems, but 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.800 I never have had the real problems. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.600 But I think like even if you don't have like 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.360 real problems, if you don't have like, you know, some 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.320 sort of chemical imbalance or diagnosable condition, just about anybody 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.480 can benefit from time to time to go just talk. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.520 It's not even necessarily the counselor helping you, as just 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.880 being in a situation where you're talking out loud and 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.880 talking through your problems to find out what you actually think. 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.520 It's very helpful. Yeah. I mean I do that at 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.679 my doctor and my dentist and they're like, dude, we 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.360 don't want to hear this. Go see see an analyst. 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.760 You're like, well, I know I'm knocking out two birds 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:44.079 of once time. So uh, all right, let's go over 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:45.880 just a couple of these. I mean, like I said, 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:50.680 they're they're different everywhere, but there was one other thing chucky. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:52.840 So I said that there were two things in common, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.240 and one of them is you can't be competition. The 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.520 other one almost across the board with any any law 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:04.160 you're gonna find is that you can't act recklessly, recklessly negligently. Wow, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.200 let's tough to get out. You would not hold up 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:11.680 in court. I'd be like, give me my five dollars 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.680 as your lawyer, or maybe that's your defense, you're like 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:19.880 your honor. I can't even says, um, Yeah, those are 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.000 two important uh factors for these laws for sure. Yeah, 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.640 Like that's that's what they all have in common generally, Right, 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.120 that's right. But from there, like if you go to Oklahoma, 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:33.760 let's say, you're only um given protection uh if you 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:40.520 are untrained, Like you're just a regular person, right, You're 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.840 not a a medic, let's say, or a doctor, and 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:49.440 only if you're giving CPR or trying to stop blood loss. Right, 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:53.280 that's weirdly specific. I've seen that, Like, Um, that that's 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.320 that's you could say that. That was the third thing 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.760 that they all have in common, Like, if you're administering 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:02.080 CPR or something really basic that any person would want 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.400 to do or try to do, Um, you're probably protected 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.760 by a good Samaritan law. Yeah, and defribrillators are covered 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.800 in a lot of these laws since those have really gotten. 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:14.880 I guess, just more common like the you know, the 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:19.280 and I looked into buying one of those. They're expensive, though, Yeah, 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.640 you looked into buying one. Yeah, just carry around with you, No, 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:28.560 not to carry around, but to uh to have like 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.200 not in my car. I got you, Um, so you could, 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.200 I mean you could help somebody stranding on the side 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.000 of the road with a jumper cable or get their 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.240 ticket going again. The key I've heard is that when 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.000 you're um, when you're setting them up to be defibrillated, 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:46.240 you have to shout hot stuff right before you engage it. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:48.720 I thought they would be like three or four bucks. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.920 How much are they? I don't I mean thousands of dollars. 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.040 I can't remember how many thousands, but it was enough 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:56.960 to where I just kind of closed the browser and 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.240 went in a cool news or something. Well, you know, 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.560 God bless those malls in America and having them every 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.360 ten feet and keeping us all safe. Sure, I'm sure 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:12.320 their insurance helps pay for that. I guess you cynic Uh. 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:16.400 Here's another one in Vermont. You can be fined actually 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.680 if you are a bystander and don't do anything. I 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.400 kind of love this one. Yeah, this is This is 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.680 what I think the law should be. You know, get 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.560 a penalty and unless you're jumping in there. Yeah, and 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.480 I mean obviously not putting your own life in jeopardy. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.880 Like this is not like if you see somebody getting 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.000 mugged you have to go wrestle the gun away from 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.640 the guy or jumping into the frozen Potomac River. Sure, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.120 but that if you see someone in need and you 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.560 just keep walking by, you should you should suffer some 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.960 sort of consequence for that. You should act. Um that 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.360 I mean, this is a this is a very slippery 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:57.080 slope right here, because compelling people to act, that's that's 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.520 a big that's a big infringement on personal liberty. Yeah, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.440 But at the same time, it's kind of like, come on, 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.719 you know, if you have to invigorate somebody's humanity with 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.240 a little bit of law here there, I'm kind of 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.760 in favorite the um. One of my favorite stories that 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.600 I can ever see on any news program is when 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.119 you see a group of people coming together to like 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.720 and saving people is great too, but like to pull 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.440 a goat out of a river or something, and there's 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.239 like the guy with the truck and another guy's like 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.520 I got rope and this lady comes up and it's 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.119 like I'm a goat whisperer. Uh, And they all like 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.920 you see, like six or eight strangers come together to 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.879 to rescue like an animal. But they tied the best 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.080 They tied the not too tight and accidentally pull the 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.600 goat in two and then the goat SEUs. That's how 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:49.000 it goes uh. And then Michigan just forget about it, 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:54.040 like it is so convoluted and weird. In Michigan, um 0:17:54.160 --> 0:18:00.200 they protect people who declined to offer assistance, but then 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:06.919 they also protect like what is it ski patrol? Um? 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.440 What else? There's like three very weirdly specific If you're 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.720 a block parent, which means that you your house is 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:15.800 designated as a safe place. You know, the safe place 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.240 signs that you see on seven elevens and stuff I've 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.760 never noticed. It's if you're a little kid and you 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.480 some some stranger danger guy in a trench coat is 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.560 following you, you can run into a thing that has 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.040 a safe place and they will protect you and call 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.040 the cops and call your parents. In Michigan, I guess 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.119 you can volunteer as a person whose house is a 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:40.320 safe place and you're you're exempted through Good Samaritan laws, right, 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.240 but you show up in there like you're in a 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:47.480 house state fan you can't come in uh so potential 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:52.080 as sisters, medical personnel block, parent volunteers and National Ski 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:57.240 Patrol in Michigan, or if you're giving CPR or using 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:01.080 an emergency defibrillator. Again, I think the pretty well that's 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.640 like covered almost across the board. That's like the one 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.720 area that they just want to make sure that everyone 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.399 once you know, we would jump in on. Yeah, I 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:10.920 think so, And I think that's one of the reasons 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.040 why they make them so prominent in in public. I mean, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.240 it's not like you have to break glass and there's 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:17.639 like a fire hose that you have to know how 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:19.800 to get off and turn the thing on. Like it's 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.160 meant for the public to go grab and use, not 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:26.959 just for emergency personnel, because using a defibrillator in a 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.320 in a timely manner has such an impact on on 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.040 the survival rate from a heart attack that you want 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.679 people walking around knowing how to use one and ready 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:41.240 to use one in an emergency situation. Argentina, this is tricky. Yeah, 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.640 you could face jail time for either putting a person 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.680 in jeopardy or abandoning a person to their fate. It's 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.439 a real fine line, it is, for sure, Like I 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.359 think if you yeah, it is a tricky one. I 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.160 went back and reread it too, and I'm like, nope, 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.639 that's that's a tricky one. But i'd the idea of 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.240 abandoning to them to their fate if they need help, 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.399 like somebody on a mountain or something like that, and 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.720 just being like sorry, chump and walking along. I like 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.480 that idea that you you have to do something for them, 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.440 you're saying, right, You like the idea of just saying, well, 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.320 it's kind of in God's hands. Now, that's Michigan. Michigan 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:24.240 protects that, right. Should we take a break, Yeah, it's 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:25.960 all right. Let's take a break, and we're going to 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:30.439 talk about a very interesting case from California about fifteen 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:55.280 years ago right after this. Alright, dude, we're back and 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.320 we're in California and during the ad break, we got 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:02.240 in the way back machine and it's two thous in four. Yeah, 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.280 oh wait, I was still living there. Oh yeah, we're 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.600 gonna run into you. I've arranged it. I just didn't 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:09.320 know you I'm like, who's that guy? I got in 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.760 touch with past Chuck and I said, you're gonna want 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.840 to meet somebody special. You're like, just wait for that 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.800 beard you're gonna have one day. I'm like, what, I 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:21.200 don't know, I can't grow beard. Yeah, and he'll be like, well, 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.160 at least I got all my teeth. That checks out. 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:30.160 Oh the salad days. Um? All right, So this case 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:34.760 is really interesting. Uh. Lisa Torti and Alexandra van Horne 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:40.920 were makeup artists that worked together, um friendly acquaintances as 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.479 co workers, but I didn't get the picture that they 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.240 were like best buddies or anything. Yeah, I would guess 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:50.120 the lawsuit implies that they weren't. So they went out 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:52.840 as a as a group of not just those two, 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:54.639 but a bunch of people from work went out for 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:58.760 some drinks in the l A area. One of them, 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:02.840 Alexandra van Horn, was headed back and crashed her car. 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.520 Pretty bad crash. I think it was like into a 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:10.600 telephone bowl. Yeah really yeah, She's like all the air 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:15.880 bags deployed. Uh. Lisa Torti was I saw this, got 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.400 out of her car, saw smoke, saw liquid and was like, 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:21.639 I think this this car might explode. I need to 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:26.639 do something quick and pulled Alexandra Van Horn from the car, 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:31.720 which seems like it had a hand in in paralyzing her. Yeah. 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:33.359 I mean, that's one thing you want to really be 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.720 careful doing is moving somebody, and you probably don't want 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:39.400 to move them at all. But again, Lisa Torty thought 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.399 that Alexandra Van Horne's car was about to blow up, 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:46.000 so she decided that she was better off trying to 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:49.280 get her out of the car, and in court, Van 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:51.600 Horne said that Torty yanked her from the car like 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:55.639 a rag doll. Yeah. Um, Torty said, the smoke, the smoke, 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.360 and and I mean, looking back on it, it's probably 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:02.560