1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there. 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: And this is Stuff you Should Know, Just a trio 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: of helpful types who like to go around the world 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: and escort people through crosswalks and get sued for it 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: is escorting someone through a busy intersection against the light, right, 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: and then you get to the other side and hold 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: out your hand and say, lay some bread on me, sucker. 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: All these are bad ideas, they really are. They really are. 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: But I mean we're full of those, aren't we, Chuck, 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean just brimming with them. That's our log line 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: to ten plus years of bad ideas? All right? Or 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: oh god, you've been listening to us this whole time? 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: Are you crazy? Oh boy? So you're feeling pretty good 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: about this one, because I gotta tell you I am. Yeah. 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, if folks listen to our I think 18 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: dare I say it was a good episode on the 19 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: very sad Case of Kitty Genovese in New York. That 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: was a good episode. You can go back and listen 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: to that and that's a pretty good setup because in 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: that just to recap very quickly, in the mid sixties, 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: a young woman was was raped and killed in a 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: very busy area of New York City, and uh, it 25 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: was very famous because many many people um supposedly heard 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: the attack, watched the attack, perhaps didn't do anything, made 27 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: the news, and created something that they study still today 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: and UH in psychology classes called the bystander effect. Yeah, 29 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: this this idea of responsibility diffusion where if you have 30 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of people standing around no one, everybody just 31 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: assumed somebody else will help, and they don't help. Yeah, 32 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: Joshua Clark or some help. Sure, leave it up to him. 33 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there like, well, obviously Chuck's gonna help. 34 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: He's a better person than me. And then we're both 35 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: just staying there and do nothing. Yeah. In the meantime, 36 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: Jerry's just laying there with like a jolly rancher in 37 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: her throat, right, But everybody knows she can't talk anyway, 38 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: so she can't call for help. It's very hard to 39 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: tell sometimes that Jerry's in need of assistance, or if 40 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: she's just being Jerry right, or if she even exists. However, 41 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: article says that, um, the bystander effect in this case 42 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: in particular, led to the first Good Samaritan laws in 43 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: our country. Yeah, that is not true, because two years 44 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: before that, right here in Georgia, our first laws went 45 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: into effect. Yeah. The one I found that was the 46 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: earliest was in nineteen fifty nine, five years before Kitty 47 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: Geneviz was murdered, and that was in California, and that 48 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: protected doctors who were administering aid in emergency situations. Hippie 49 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: liberal elitists out there right that the left coast. But 50 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: but the it's a weird thing to tie together the 51 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: bystander effect and good Samaritan laws because they don't actually 52 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: go together. They're not that you like, you want them 53 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: to fit together, but when you lay them side by side, 54 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, these are these are two different types 55 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: of sea monkeys. I thought they were a husband and wife, 56 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: but they're not. Oh I see the correlation. I want to. 57 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: My brain just won't quite make the the connection. Like 58 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: if someone had raced down to help Kitty Genevise and 59 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: render her aid and not been a bystander, then they 60 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: could you know, that falls into the Good Samaritan laws 61 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: it does, but really it falls more under like the 62 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: duty to act laws, like you'll get in trouble if 63 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: you if you are just a bystander if you don't 64 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: do something, whereas a good Samaritan law basically says, if 65 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: you do do something and you help Kitty Genevise or 66 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: somebody who's in trouble and you make their situation worse, 67 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: you can't be sued for for rendering eight because you 68 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: were acting in good faith. So it's kind of there, 69 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: but it's not quite. It doesn't click. I got you, 70 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I hear you, all right, Okay, 71 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: I just really wanted to get that off of my chest. Well, 72 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, you just kind of said it like 73 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: those those laws are in place now as protections generally, 74 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: um for American that they happened all over the world. 75 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: We'll talk about a few of the laws here and there, 76 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: but uh, all fifty states and Washington, d C. The 77 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: the District of Columbia have some sort of laws on 78 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: the books, uh that that you can basically be protected 79 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: potentially and not held responsible for your actions even if 80 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: they cause harm. But because it's state law, if you're 81 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: not American, I'm not sure how it works in all countries, 82 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: but they the laws and from states to stay it 83 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 1: on the same thing and very wildly. Yeah, and certainly 84 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: in this case, it's what they call a patch work 85 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: of state laws in need of a federal law for sure. Yeah, 86 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: for sure. So because there's so many different laws in 87 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: so many different states. Um, you know, if the actions 88 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: that you you perform in one state might get you, 89 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: you know, you might get your mug on the front 90 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 1: page of the paper being celebrated, and in another state 91 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: your mugs on the front page of the paper because 92 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: you just got sued, you know. So we'll we'll dive 93 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: into that a little more. But first let's talk about 94 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: where the name for the laws come from. Chalk. Yeah, 95 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: I remember this story from my church going days as 96 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: a kid. That really stood out to me back then 97 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: because uh, well it's in Luke and the story is 98 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: is that a Jewish man was assaulted and robbed on 99 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: the road and left for dead basically, and some people 100 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: passed by without rendering aid. A Jewish priest and a levite, 101 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: which is an assistant priest basically or assistant to the priest. 102 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: Do you have the impression that the priest and the 103 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: levite were together, or that the priest passed and then 104 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: at some point later on the levite passed. You know 105 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: what this is going back a lot of years, dude. 106 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: But if my memory is telling me that they were 107 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: two separate things, Okay, I knew that question would pay 108 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: you all. But I might be wrong. But my my 109 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: old I still have some old church memories rattling around 110 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: in this dusty noggin. You just saw like smoke come 111 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: out of my ears. I thought that was a flower. 112 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: Oh sure, well, I'm gluten free though, Oh are you? No, 113 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: Emily is so by default? I sometimes I am right? Sure, No, 114 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: I know what you mean. You know that goes. But finally, 115 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: as the story goes, a Samaritan um that is a 116 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: person from Samaria who were bitter enemies of the Jews, 117 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: came by. And what did he do? He said, Hey, buddy, 118 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: you look like you're having a pretty rotten day. Let 119 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: me help you out, that's right. And he did. He 120 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: not only said here, let me let me pick you 121 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: up and get you out of this dusty road. Um, 122 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you to an inn. And not only 123 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: am I gonna do that, I'm gonna pay for your 124 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: room at the end, and then I'm gonna say it, 125 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: bid you a good day and good health. Audios. Enemy 126 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: And he did imagine this chuck this Good Samaritan story. 127 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: It's entirely possible that this actually took place, That this 128 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: is a real story that happened, right, it's not just 129 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: a parable. Imagine if you were that guy, that Samaritan 130 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: who did this thing, this act of goodwill, and two 131 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 1: thousand years later, people around the world are still talking 132 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: about it. How great would that happy? You know? Yeah, 133 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes after our show ends, no one's going 134 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: to talk about it, right, you know, just like all 135 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,559 Speaker 1: of this the talk shows we've been on the kiss 136 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: of death that we have. Uh. But for sure, I 137 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: mean every even if you are like the most atheistic 138 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: agnostic human on earth, you've heard of the story of 139 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: the Good Samaritan. It's just one of those things that 140 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: is is transcended religion into pop culture. Yeah, and I 141 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: had never known that at the time. Like you said, 142 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: the Jews and the Samaritans hated each other, um And 143 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: apparently I looked it up. They really really did not 144 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: like each other. It wasn't just like over religious stuff. 145 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: It was over political stuff too, and how those things intertwined. 146 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: So they really did not get along. So not only 147 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: did this guy help somebody in need, he helped an 148 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: an enemy in need. So I think he does deserve 149 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: to be to be commemorated for eons over that. Sure, 150 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: But that's where the name of the law comes from. 151 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: Good Samaritan laws are when you stop and help somebody, 152 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: whether it's your enemy or your friend, um, in an 153 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: emergency situation, typically you are you should not be penalized 154 00:08:54,360 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: if your good intentions cause further harm, right, which seems 155 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: very much like a no brainer, But it is complicated. 156 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: The more you read into this stuff, the more you're like, man, 157 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: there's a lot of nuance to to the variations of 158 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: these laws. Yeah. The more you read into it, the 159 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: more you're like, I am going to end up second 160 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: guessing myself the next time in pace with an emergency situation, 161 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: Like I hadn't thought about it before, but it's like, yeah, 162 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: you could totally get sued for helping somebody out, depending 163 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: on where you are. Yeah, I've never come across this, 164 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: not even close what an emergency situation I have I have? Yeah, 165 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: it was I was one of many at an accident. 166 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: I witnessed the accident. It was like one of those 167 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: things where you see it happening, you just see it 168 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: in slow motion and you're just like trying to will 169 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: it to stop with your body and it doesn't work. 170 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: It was a man who got te bowed by another 171 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: car that he didn't see coming. Um and uh. I 172 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: was one of the people on the scene kind of 173 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: helping out. It didn't even occur to me that that 174 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: that that man could be like these people hurt me, 175 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, in in helping I didn't touch the guy 176 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: or anything like that, but I mean other people were 177 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: and um, you know, we called for help and all that, 178 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: so I think we did it about as good as 179 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: you can. But nothing about the situation was like, well 180 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: I need to I need to watch out for my 181 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: legal exposure here, like something real quick, like where what 182 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: state of my end? Let me just check out what's 183 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: going on as this like you know, person is bleeding 184 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: in the street exactly, but it is nuanced and and 185 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: after reading some of these examples, I I you know, 186 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: I get both sides of the coin for sure. So 187 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: I mean, for example, like there are a couple of 188 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: things that all of this patchwork of of um of 189 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: the Good Samaritan laws will will have in common. Basically two, 190 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: as this article states. One is that you can't be 191 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: compensated for helping out. And that's a pretty literal reading 192 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: of the law. I think it's meant to exempt emergency workers, paramedics, 193 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: doctors like they they've got their their whole own set 194 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: of laws governing their actions or inactions, right, so to 195 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: keep them from giving preferential treatment. I think it's mostly 196 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: to say this is meant to um, this is this 197 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: is my interpretation of it um. But from what I've 198 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: seen with Good Samaritan laws, it's it's totally in the 199 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: eye of the beholder. But the the that's meant to say, 200 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: like this covers non medical professionals is who we're talking about. 201 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: And to to define that, they're saying this is this 202 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: covers somebody who isn't compensated for their assistance, and that's 203 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: been transmuted into you can't be compensated for your assistance 204 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: or else that that leaves you exposed to legal action later. 205 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: So when you were sort of getting around at the 206 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: beginning though, but if if you saved let's say perform 207 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: the Timli at a restaurant and the persons like, man, 208 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: you just say, my life, here's a here's a fins key, right, 209 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: don't take that five dollar bill and also throw it 210 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: back in their face and say this is what your 211 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: life is worth, right exactly? And they say, yeah, I 212 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: don't really love myself. Well, then then you introduced them 213 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: to a good analyst and go about your day. Analyst? 214 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: What is that? Would mind a New Yorker in the seventies. 215 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: You sound like Carrie Green. Nobody says analysts anymore. It 216 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: was weird. I think that's what Bob Newhart was, was he? 217 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: I think? I think yeah, he did consider himself as 218 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: an analyst. That seems like an antiquated term though. Yes, 219 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: now it's therapist, right or shrink Yeah yeah, shrink head 220 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: shrinker I think is the preferred term. Yeah. I don't know. 221 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: I would have been in a while. Oh yeah, years. 222 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: It's good. It's good. Good to go talk to people, 223 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, yeah, but I got 224 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: it all figured out now. Oh well, that's good. You're 225 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: cured is what they call that. Yeah, they cured me. 226 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,599 Speaker 1: I hope they gave your shrinking award. Yeah, do you 227 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: know what the cure is? What is not really thinking 228 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: about things too much? Yeah, that's a good that's good advice. 229 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: Now I'm just kidding because people have real problems, but 230 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: I never have had the real problems. Yeah yeah, yeah, 231 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: But I think like even if you don't have like 232 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: real problems, if you don't have like, you know, some 233 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: sort of chemical imbalance or diagnosable condition, just about anybody 234 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: can benefit from time to time to go just talk. 235 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: It's not even necessarily the counselor helping you, as just 236 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: being in a situation where you're talking out loud and 237 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: talking through your problems to find out what you actually think. 238 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: It's very helpful. Yeah. I mean I do that at 239 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: my doctor and my dentist and they're like, dude, we 240 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: don't want to hear this. Go see see an analyst. 241 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: You're like, well, I know I'm knocking out two birds 242 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: of once time. So uh, all right, let's go over 243 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: just a couple of these. I mean, like I said, 244 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: they're they're different everywhere, but there was one other thing chucky. 245 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: So I said that there were two things in common, 246 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: and one of them is you can't be competition. The 247 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: other one almost across the board with any any law 248 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna find is that you can't act recklessly, recklessly negligently. Wow, 249 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: let's tough to get out. You would not hold up 250 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: in court. I'd be like, give me my five dollars 251 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: as your lawyer, or maybe that's your defense, you're like 252 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: your honor. I can't even says, um, Yeah, those are 253 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: two important uh factors for these laws for sure. Yeah, 254 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: Like that's that's what they all have in common generally, Right, 255 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: that's right. But from there, like if you go to Oklahoma, 256 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: let's say, you're only um given protection uh if you 257 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: are untrained, Like you're just a regular person, right, You're 258 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: not a a medic, let's say, or a doctor, and 259 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: only if you're giving CPR or trying to stop blood loss. Right, 260 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: that's weirdly specific. I've seen that, Like, Um, that that's 261 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: that's you could say that. That was the third thing 262 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: that they all have in common, Like, if you're administering 263 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: CPR or something really basic that any person would want 264 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: to do or try to do, Um, you're probably protected 265 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: by a good Samaritan law. Yeah, and defribrillators are covered 266 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: in a lot of these laws since those have really gotten. 267 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: I guess, just more common like the you know, the 268 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: and I looked into buying one of those. They're expensive, though, Yeah, 269 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: you looked into buying one. Yeah, just carry around with you, No, 270 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: not to carry around, but to uh to have like 271 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: not in my car. I got you, Um, so you could, 272 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean you could help somebody stranding on the side 273 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: of the road with a jumper cable or get their 274 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: ticket going again. The key I've heard is that when 275 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: you're um, when you're setting them up to be defibrillated, 276 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: you have to shout hot stuff right before you engage it. 277 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: I thought they would be like three or four bucks. 278 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: How much are they? I don't I mean thousands of dollars. 279 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: I can't remember how many thousands, but it was enough 280 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: to where I just kind of closed the browser and 281 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: went in a cool news or something. Well, you know, 282 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: God bless those malls in America and having them every 283 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: ten feet and keeping us all safe. Sure, I'm sure 284 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: their insurance helps pay for that. I guess you cynic Uh. 285 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: Here's another one in Vermont. You can be fined actually 286 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: if you are a bystander and don't do anything. I 287 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: kind of love this one. Yeah, this is This is 288 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: what I think the law should be. You know, get 289 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: a penalty and unless you're jumping in there. Yeah, and 290 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: I mean obviously not putting your own life in jeopardy. 291 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: Like this is not like if you see somebody getting 292 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: mugged you have to go wrestle the gun away from 293 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: the guy or jumping into the frozen Potomac River. Sure, 294 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: but that if you see someone in need and you 295 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: just keep walking by, you should you should suffer some 296 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: sort of consequence for that. You should act. Um that 297 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a this is a very slippery 298 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: slope right here, because compelling people to act, that's that's 299 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: a big that's a big infringement on personal liberty. Yeah, 300 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's kind of like, come on, 301 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: you know, if you have to invigorate somebody's humanity with 302 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of law here there, I'm kind of 303 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: in favorite the um. One of my favorite stories that 304 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: I can ever see on any news program is when 305 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: you see a group of people coming together to like 306 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: and saving people is great too, but like to pull 307 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: a goat out of a river or something, and there's 308 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 1: like the guy with the truck and another guy's like 309 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: I got rope and this lady comes up and it's 310 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: like I'm a goat whisperer. Uh, And they all like 311 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: you see, like six or eight strangers come together to 312 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: to rescue like an animal. But they tied the best 313 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: They tied the not too tight and accidentally pull the 314 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: goat in two and then the goat SEUs. That's how 315 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: it goes uh. And then Michigan just forget about it, 316 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: like it is so convoluted and weird. In Michigan, um 317 00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: they protect people who declined to offer assistance, but then 318 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: they also protect like what is it ski patrol? Um? 319 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: What else? There's like three very weirdly specific If you're 320 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: a block parent, which means that you your house is 321 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: designated as a safe place. You know, the safe place 322 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: signs that you see on seven elevens and stuff I've 323 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: never noticed. It's if you're a little kid and you 324 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: some some stranger danger guy in a trench coat is 325 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: following you, you can run into a thing that has 326 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: a safe place and they will protect you and call 327 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: the cops and call your parents. In Michigan, I guess 328 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: you can volunteer as a person whose house is a 329 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: safe place and you're you're exempted through Good Samaritan laws, right, 330 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: but you show up in there like you're in a 331 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: house state fan you can't come in uh so potential 332 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: as sisters, medical personnel block, parent volunteers and National Ski 333 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: Patrol in Michigan, or if you're giving CPR or using 334 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: an emergency defibrillator. Again, I think the pretty well that's 335 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: like covered almost across the board. That's like the one 336 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: area that they just want to make sure that everyone 337 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: once you know, we would jump in on. Yeah, I 338 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: think so, And I think that's one of the reasons 339 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: why they make them so prominent in in public. I mean, 340 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: it's not like you have to break glass and there's 341 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: like a fire hose that you have to know how 342 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: to get off and turn the thing on. Like it's 343 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: meant for the public to go grab and use, not 344 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: just for emergency personnel, because using a defibrillator in a 345 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: in a timely manner has such an impact on on 346 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: the survival rate from a heart attack that you want 347 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: people walking around knowing how to use one and ready 348 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: to use one in an emergency situation. Argentina, this is tricky. Yeah, 349 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: you could face jail time for either putting a person 350 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: in jeopardy or abandoning a person to their fate. It's 351 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: a real fine line, it is, for sure, Like I 352 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: think if you yeah, it is a tricky one. I 353 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: went back and reread it too, and I'm like, nope, 354 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: that's that's a tricky one. But i'd the idea of 355 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: abandoning to them to their fate if they need help, 356 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: like somebody on a mountain or something like that, and 357 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: just being like sorry, chump and walking along. I like 358 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: that idea that you you have to do something for them, 359 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: you're saying, right, You like the idea of just saying, well, 360 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of in God's hands. Now, that's Michigan. Michigan 361 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: protects that, right. Should we take a break, Yeah, it's 362 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: all right. Let's take a break, and we're going to 363 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: talk about a very interesting case from California about fifteen 364 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: years ago right after this. Alright, dude, we're back and 365 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: we're in California and during the ad break, we got 366 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: in the way back machine and it's two thous in four. Yeah, 367 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: oh wait, I was still living there. Oh yeah, we're 368 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: gonna run into you. I've arranged it. I just didn't 369 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: know you I'm like, who's that guy? I got in 370 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: touch with past Chuck and I said, you're gonna want 371 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: to meet somebody special. You're like, just wait for that 372 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: beard you're gonna have one day. I'm like, what, I 373 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: don't know, I can't grow beard. Yeah, and he'll be like, well, 374 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: at least I got all my teeth. That checks out. 375 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: Oh the salad days. Um? All right, So this case 376 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: is really interesting. Uh. Lisa Torti and Alexandra van Horne 377 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: were makeup artists that worked together, um friendly acquaintances as 378 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: co workers, but I didn't get the picture that they 379 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: were like best buddies or anything. Yeah, I would guess 380 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: the lawsuit implies that they weren't. So they went out 381 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: as a as a group of not just those two, 382 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: but a bunch of people from work went out for 383 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: some drinks in the l A area. One of them, 384 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: Alexandra van Horn, was headed back and crashed her car. 385 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: Pretty bad crash. I think it was like into a 386 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: telephone bowl. Yeah really yeah, She's like all the air 387 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: bags deployed. Uh. Lisa Torti was I saw this, got 388 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: out of her car, saw smoke, saw liquid and was like, 389 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: I think this this car might explode. I need to 390 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: do something quick and pulled Alexandra Van Horn from the car, 391 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: which seems like it had a hand in in paralyzing her. Yeah. 392 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: I mean, that's one thing you want to really be 393 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: careful doing is moving somebody, and you probably don't want 394 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: to move them at all. But again, Lisa Torty thought 395 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: that Alexandra Van Horne's car was about to blow up, 396 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: so she decided that she was better off trying to 397 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: get her out of the car, and in court, Van 398 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: Horne said that Torty yanked her from the car like 399 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: a rag doll. Yeah. Um, Torty said, the smoke, the smoke, 400 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: and and I mean, looking back on it, it's probably 401 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: it was Annie Freeze on a hot hot motor. But 402 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: even still, she acted in good faith and so California's 403 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: Good Samaritan laws. She said, you can't sue me. I 404 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: was trying to help you, um, in an emergency situation. Sorry, 405 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: the good Samaritan laws cover this. And by the way, 406 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm no longer speaking to you. Yeah. Probably so. Uh. 407 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: It went all the way to the California Supreme Court, 408 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: where they ruled that um she could sue her friend 409 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: and co worker because protection at that time, at least 410 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: for the Good Samaritan law was only for those administering 411 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: medical care, not rescue care. Well, so the law said 412 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: that it was emergency care, and the court interpreted that 413 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: to mean medical care, which was like what And the 414 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: legislature even said, like, no, that's not at all how 415 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: we meant it. Interesting. Yeah, in fact, they amended the 416 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: law the next year to say specifically medical or non 417 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: medical emergency care. But that vagueness got um got least 418 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: a torty suited. Yeah, And I was it's hard to 419 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: find out sometimes final results of legal cases. We've like 420 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: had that problem, I feel like a lot over the years. Yeah. 421 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: The media they have a short attention span. Well it's that, 422 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: and I think sometimes these things are just still dragging out. 423 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: Oh really, you think it's still going on? I think 424 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: so because I found an article from like three years ago. Uh, 425 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: because I was just trying to find out what happened 426 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: with the lawsuit, and apparently, um, the woman who pulled 427 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: the woman being sued TORTI had two different insurance companies, 428 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: of one of which said I'm not getting involved in this, 429 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: the other of which said, you know what, I'm gonna 430 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna agree to defend you against the lawsuit. It 431 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: was settled for four million dollars and then the one 432 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: insurance company that agreed to help defender sued. The other 433 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: insurance company said you got a pony up half of this, 434 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: and um, the last thing I saw was a district 435 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: court judge ruled or the defendants insurance company, in other words, 436 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,239 Speaker 1: the one that said I don't want any part of this, 437 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: you don't have to pay. But then it said, uh, 438 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: an appellet panel reversed that decision on Wednesday, and that's 439 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: literally the last thing I could find. Wow. Wow, that 440 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: is still dragging on. Holy cow, Chuck. Yeah, I mean 441 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. There may be something newer 442 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: out there, but uh, there are probably tricks that legal 443 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: scholars know that I don't know about researching this stuff. 444 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: I mean, what does that say, Chuck, that that like 445 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: an insurance company can just be like where your insurance company, 446 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: but we're not We're not touching this one. Well, it 447 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: was complicated though, because it was it was insurance. It 448 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: wasn't like just insurance for me walking around if I 449 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: want to help someone. It was car insurance. So it was. 450 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: It all came down to whether or not it was 451 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: considered a use of a car by her opening that 452 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: door and unbuckling her seatbelt and pulling her out, whether 453 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: that was using the car. I got very comple a 454 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: little more sense, though, you know how like convoluted that 455 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: stuff gets though it does for sure, But that whole 456 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: like so the whole legality of this whole thing, um 457 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: that that made that whole Lisa Torty in Alexandro van 458 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: Horn case, I mean I heard about that when that 459 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: was going on. Everybody heard about that case because it 460 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: was like, well, wait a minute, she was trying to help, 461 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: and now she's getting sued and wire why are friends fighting? 462 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: That whole kind of thing. That was two thousand four, 463 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: and then two years later China started to rise as 464 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 1: a great power of anti good samaritanism um in a 465 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: lot of different cases, and all of it started in 466 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: two thousand six in the case of Peg You, who 467 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 1: was a man who got off of a bus in 468 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: China and saw that an older woman had fallen and 469 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: um broken her hip, and so she had been trying 470 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: to get on the bus paying you was coming off 471 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: of the bus, and um he went to go help 472 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: the lady. Well, the lady later said that he was 473 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: the one who caused her to fall and sued him, 474 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: and he was like, I'm just an innocent by Sander 475 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: who was being a good samaritan helping this lady. Well, 476 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: the the court said, note, paying You, we we've decided that, um, 477 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: you probably did cause the fall. Otherwise why else would 478 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: you have helped the lady? And there's more nuance to it. 479 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: There were there were a couple of things. Paying You 480 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: said he was the first one off the bus, and 481 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: the court said, well, then you were probably the person 482 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: to bump into the lady and knock her down. And also, 483 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: why did you give her twenty you on um which 484 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: is about thirty bucks? Uh if if you didn't feel responsible. 485 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: And then thirdly, if you were acting heroically, why didn't 486 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: you go apprehend the person who knocked her down? Why 487 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: would you go help So there's a little more to 488 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: it than just like nobody would possibly help someone out 489 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: of the goodness of their hearts. So you're guilty. But 490 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: that's kind of how I got played up in the 491 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: popular media, both in China and in the rest of 492 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: the world, and so paying You became this cautionary tale 493 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: like if you see somebody hurt in the street, don't 494 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: help them because they will sue you. And people started 495 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: to do that, and so people in China until in 496 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: a few really big cases, sensational cases, did just that. 497 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: They stopped helping people who clearly needed help, and people 498 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: were dying as a result. Yeah, I mean they were. 499 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean there's just one case I can't even talk about. Uh, 500 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: but it was just awful. You know. People not helping 501 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: people clearly in need became sort of an epidemic in China. Uh, 502 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: until they finally changed some law in what just last year, 503 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: I think a National Good Samaritan law in two thousand 504 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: seventeen that does offer protections. But he sa in that 505 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: one article that, uh, it was like it's out of 506 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: hand in China. Now in the other way because this 507 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: this one. Uh. Donald Clark, a law professor who actually 508 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: specializes in Chinese law at g W, said that in China, 509 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: you can like see someone choking in a restaurant and 510 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: attempt a tracheotomy with a butter knife with no training 511 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: and be covered and you won't can't be sued, which 512 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: is I think everyone would agree that's that's a little 513 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: too far. Yeah, no matter what you do, you cannot 514 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: be held liable for acting as a good samaritan, even 515 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: if it's the most reckless, negligent thing you can imagine, 516 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: trying something you're not familiar with at all, you can't 517 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: be sued. And so some people said, well, not only 518 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: does this article on this new law um cover it 519 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: goes too far and covering people protecting people, it doesn't 520 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: address the problem, which is this culture of distrust that's 521 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: been kind of fostered by these judges who are ruling 522 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: in favor of people who are accusing the good samaritans 523 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: that have helped them of actually causing their injury and 524 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: create this chilling effect and helping people, I mean people 525 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: literally elderly people getting hit by cars and being left 526 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: in the street as people walk around them, and then 527 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: being hit by another car and killed later on, like 528 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: a half hour later, Like this was happening, This is 529 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: going on, and people wouldn't go anywhere near these people 530 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: because they were afraid that they were going to get sued. 531 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: And and and it was mostly because judges um in 532 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: in the court system, we're saying they were siding with 533 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: people with zero evidence whatsoever, just basically on a suspicion 534 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: of someone's good intentions. Yeah, I mean that original case 535 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: when they said, uh, what was the man's name? Again? 536 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: Paying you? Paying you? They had no evidence whatsoever. It's 537 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: not like it was on uh close caption television or 538 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: anything like that. It was just like you said, the 539 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: judge going, it seems to me like it's pretty weird 540 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: that you would have helped had you not been the 541 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: one that actually not dropped to begin with. Exactly. So, 542 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's good that kin has this good Samaritan law, 543 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: and it's it's a very broad law and it probably 544 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: needs to be walked back a little bit. But um, 545 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: they also need to go after the judges are the 546 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: I guess kind of the sentiment or thought process of 547 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: judges that kind of just says, why would you help 548 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: somebody out if you weren't, if you weren't the one 549 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: that caused the accident. Until they do that, and until 550 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: they go after this group um pengshi, which are basically crooks, 551 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: people who like lay down in front of cars and 552 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: pretend they got hit, um and then sue the people 553 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: and are frequently found like they're ruled in favor of 554 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: their case. Until that is rooted out, that people are 555 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: still going to be distrustful of helping people who are 556 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: in need. Yeah, and that even the van Horn case. 557 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I know she's trying to help, but like 558 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to move people, you know, like everyone 559 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: kind of knows that. And this woman ended up paralyzed, 560 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: And if it was a act results of that, then 561 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's is that's a tough one. You know. 562 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: Well they say that the road to hell is paved 563 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: with good intentions. That's kind of like where that that lies. Yeah, 564 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: I mean I feel bad for both parties for sure. 565 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: For sure, because this the twitty was legitimately trying to help. 566 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: She wasn't like, well, let me do something that might 567 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: really hurt my coworker further. She thought that car was 568 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: going to blow up. Yea, you know, so let's get 569 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: her out of there, right exactly. It wasn't like, you know, 570 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: she'd always harbored some deep resentment of her, so this 571 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: is her chance to paralyze her. Yeah, you know, not 572 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: funny at all for the way that you said. So 573 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: we should probably take a break. Then we're gonna we're 574 00:32:44,320 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: gonna recover from that and distract you with an ad okay, yes, okay, chuck. 575 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: So there's another big push in Good Samaritan laws in 576 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: the United States. It's interesting how they're kind of like 577 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: refined as as things go on, but there's this thread, 578 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: the sentiment that runs through them that's like, Okay, we 579 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: need to make sure that people aren't don't hesitate in 580 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: helping their fellow their fellow human in need. Yeah, a 581 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: lot of these, uh, I mean, it's labeled as special 582 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: interest good Samaritan laws, but these these are great, like 583 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense, especially well, they all do. 584 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: But this one about the food donation um. In the 585 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: mid ninety nineties, there was a realization that a lot 586 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: of food was going to waste fourteen billion pounds, specifically 587 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: of food going to landfills when people in America needed 588 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: that food. And uh, you know you've toward stories about 589 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: grocery stores or can't be held liabel, so they just 590 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: have to throw that stuff away. So they passed the 591 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: Bill Emerson Good Samaritan Food Donation Act, which is to 592 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: provide some protections in case you donate food and someone 593 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: gets sick from eating that food, right exactly, So I 594 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: remember back when when grocery stores did have to throw 595 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,959 Speaker 1: that away before that law, and it was just so 596 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: wasteful and so just morally wrong. So they passed that 597 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: one good year for passing laws, I guess. Uh. And 598 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: then there's even newer kind of push of good Samaritan 599 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: laws that are protecting college kids who drink too much 600 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: even though they're underage. They might be worried, oh man, 601 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get expelled or kicked out of college if 602 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: I call for help. And so apparently that some of 603 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: them weren't calling for help, and so some universities I 604 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: think it's up to thirty universities in thirty five states 605 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: now have something called Lifeline or nine one one good 606 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: Samaritan law where if you call for help for yourself 607 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: or for somebody else who's had too much to drink, 608 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: and it's like a medical emergency, you won't get in 609 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: trouble for having been drinking under age. But it's laid 610 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: the groundwork for UM uh, like a larger law about 611 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: opioid abuse that we really kind of need. That's a 612 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: good Samaritan law for UM that that protects people who 613 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: are calling for somebody who's overdosing on heroin UM where 614 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: under normal circumstances they might hesitate because they're on heroin 615 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: themselves and they don't want to get busted for it. Yeah, 616 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 1: what's uh. It's called an alex ozone and this is uh. 617 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 1: Basically it comes list like an EpiPen now and it's 618 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: something that cops have in their emergency kits. And uh, 619 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: just like an EpiPen, is something that a civilian can use. 620 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: You don't have to have medical training. If someone is 621 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: overdosing on an on heroin or some other kind of opioid, 622 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: you just inject this thing and that can save their life. 623 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: And so junkies don't want to call the ambulance or 624 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: the cops or whatever, just the same as an underage 625 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: college kid doesn't want to call the cops. So they're 626 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: often described as medical amnesty laws. Uh. And and it 627 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 1: is great, you know, this is exactly and it's making 628 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: a difference. There was one study in two thousand two 629 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: at Cornell about the alcohol one and they said there 630 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: was a rise from to fifty of UM counseling sessions 631 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: attended by students in two thousand four because students weren't afraid, 632 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm nineteen years old or whatever and I 633 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: need help. So they you know, it's it's shown that 634 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: it's working, and I think the same as is going 635 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: on with this uh uh an alex oon drug. Right. Yeah, 636 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: so like the anallexon, it kind of has its own 637 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: protection where whether you're somebody who's on heroin or not, 638 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: if you administer that, you could be a medical professional. 639 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: It's like such a new thing um that that they've 640 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: they've realized they need a specific good Samaritan law for 641 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 1: that to cover anybody who's administering um analex oone, like 642 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: if they do some damage or whatever, they were still 643 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: trying to help. But then also if you're like on 644 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: heroin yourself, just calling nine one one, you can have 645 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: immunity in some states from getting busted for heroin for 646 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: being on it yourself, so like, hey, we're gonna save 647 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: you and you're under arrest, right, which I guess is 648 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: is still in some states it's still a possibility. And 649 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: you don't like, you don't want people worrying about whether 650 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: they're going to get pop themselves and then saying well 651 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: I can't really call for you know, shorty juju over here, 652 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: which is I guess the heroin users name. You know, 653 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 1: so the heroin user who's overdosing, who would otherwise live, 654 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: dies because they're the person they're shot up with, Like 655 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: is too worried about getting busted themselves. Because the last 656 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: thing a heroin addict or drug addict might do in 657 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: the throes of that drug is think, let me call 658 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: a cop or right, you know what, I need a 659 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: police officer. They might help. Uh, they'd say, like as 660 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: far as advice goes for good samaritans, Um, this article, 661 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, counsels people to think sensibly. Uh. Most states 662 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: do have laws to protect people that if you're doing 663 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: something reasonable to try and help, which all goes back 664 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: to you know, the split second is kind of tough, 665 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: but that all goes back to what you're saying, like 666 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: reasonable maneuvers to help somebody, you know, Yeah, Like I 667 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: mean it's not necessarily like, um, like don't try the tracheotomy, 668 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: right right, right? So yeah, so that kind of ties 669 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: into a second point, like don't try things you're not 670 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: trained to do, and it just kind of ties into 671 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: reasonable Like is is trying to administer CPR a reasonable thing? 672 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: If you come upon somebody who's not breathing. Yes, totally reasonable. 673 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 1: Um is it? Is it? You know, unreasonable to try 674 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: to like get their heart going by by pumping their 675 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 1: arms up and down and accidentally dislocating the shoulder. It's 676 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,959 Speaker 1: probably not going to be protected by a good Samaritan law. Yeah, 677 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 1: but how much can you get sued for for a 678 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: broken collar bone? Probably a lot, especially if the person 679 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: is like a ping pong player or a professional illustrator. 680 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: Right exactly. You like ping pong? I love it. We 681 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: need to do an episode on ping pong. I love 682 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: ping pong too. I'm surprised we never squared out squared off. 683 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: I am as well, Chuck, Well, we've never been in 684 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: the same room as a ping pong table. That's that's 685 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. I was going to make 686 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: a camp joke, but you beat me to the truth. Uh, 687 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: you got anything else? Oh? Yes, I do. There's one 688 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: thing that came up, if you don't mind talking about it, 689 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: the Seinfeld thing about it? Do you remember how that 690 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: final the Final right right? Yeah, which is like the 691 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: least funny episode of Seinfeld ever. But it had like 692 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: a weird message when when the gang gets gets put 693 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: in jail for watching a guy I think it was 694 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: Jonathan Pinnett get carjacked by somebody with a gun and 695 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: just sitting there making fun of them while they're videotaping it, right, 696 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: And that kind of raised the site this it kind 697 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,439 Speaker 1: of ties into good Samaritan laws. A lot of people 698 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: are like, can you actually is there any place in 699 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: the country where you can get get in trouble for 700 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, And it turns out no, it's 701 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: that kind of falls into that duty to act law, 702 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: um where you are in some places like Vermont or 703 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: I think in California, under some circumstances, you are required 704 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: to report a crime, but you're not required to actually intervene. 705 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: And that was like kind of that big point I 706 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: made earlier at the beginning of the episode. That's a 707 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: big distinction, right, And not only are you, um you know, 708 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 1: not required to interview and you're not even required to 709 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: report the crime during the commission of their crime. For 710 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: most duty to act laws, you just can't walk away 711 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: and pretend you never saw anything. That's the key, um, 712 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: that's where you will get prosecuted. So the Seinfeld gang 713 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 1: probably would not have gone to jail. And this article 714 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 1: that I read quotes a guy who is an attorney 715 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: in San Diego. Um named somebody Lists. Oh man, I 716 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: wish I could remember the guy's name. No, not Franz List, 717 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: who is a great, great composer, but a l I 718 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: s s. Yeah, his name was Peter List. He's a 719 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: criminal lawyer from San Diego ended up in this article. 720 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: He basically says, not only should they not have gone 721 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: to jail, they provided very valuable evidence by recording the 722 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: entire crime, So let him off the hook. Has there 723 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: ever been a tougher show to end than Seinfeld? I 724 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, probably not, but they really chose as 725 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: a very specific, unsatisfying way to do it. What about Sopranos? 726 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: Everybody hated how that ended? Yeah, I didn't. Uh. I 727 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: love the Sopranos, but then moved to l A during 728 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: its run and didn't have TV, so I quit watching it. 729 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: But I do remember all the hoopla. But sein Felt 730 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: just one of those I mean that the last episode stunk, 731 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: But it's just a hard show to end because you can't. 732 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 1: It was the most un sentimental show probably in TV history. Sure, 733 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: and most shows have a finale that is highly sentimental, 734 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: and you just You couldn't do that on Seinfeld. It 735 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: would not have been true to the show. So I 736 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: don't know what I would have done. It's a tough one. 737 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,280 Speaker 1: It is a tough one. Maybe it was a perfect 738 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: ending and it just wasn't a great episode. You could 739 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: make that case for sure. You know, I'd like to 740 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: hear maybe if someone had a better idea. Okay, right, 741 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: rewrite the Seinfeld finale. Yeah, in a hundreds and sixty 742 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: characters are less two to us or you forty? Now, 743 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: what is that? It's weird anyway? Uh, I think that's 744 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: the end of this episode. We kind of let this 745 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: peter out to huh yep, Okay, if you want to 746 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,919 Speaker 1: learn more about good Samaritan laws, that's actually a tip. 747 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: Go learn your state and or country's good Samaritan laws 748 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 1: so you know what to do in your ever faced 749 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: with an emergency situation. And since I said that, it's 750 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: time for listener mail. Uh, this one's great. I'm just 751 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 1: gonna call it great email. Uh, guys, in the spirit 752 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving, in this glass of wine I'm drinking, I 753 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: want to reach out and tell you I'll thankful I 754 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: am for you. I've been listening to the show for 755 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: a few years, and your comforting voices, light dad, humor, 756 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: and interesting topics have become increasingly important to me. My 757 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: brother passed away almost two years ago at the age 758 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: of us, an incredible soul and would have loved your show. 759 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: I had trouble falling asleep for a while and began 760 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: playing your podcast when my mind was racing and I 761 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,240 Speaker 1: needed the distraction. I fell asleep to many interesting topics 762 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: for months, and I greatly appreciate your help through the 763 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: sad times. 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I can 773 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: only spot their phosphorescence, but I was so darn happy 774 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: sitting there in the cold and dark listening to you 775 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: both talk about poop while watching the porpoises create tubes 776 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: of glitter in the Pacific. Uh, can you imagine that? Dude? 777 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: That's amazing, and our voices didn't ruin it. I know. Uh, 778 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: this brought me so much comfort in a time of 779 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: such great discomfort. Now you've heard it before, and at 780 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: the risk of sounding sappy, your podcast brings comfort in 781 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: alway to your listeners, and we appreciate you. My brother's 782 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: birthdays tomorrow and I have been catching up on your 783 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: latest episodes thinking about the time you help me get through, 784 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 1: and I wanted to say thank you. Thanks for being 785 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: there for me in a weird way, and thank you 786 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: for your friendship and your jokes and your comfort. And 787 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: that is Jane from Seattle. Awesome, Jane, thank you so 788 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: much for letting us know that story. That's like the 789 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: deer on the Tracks story that Will Wheaton hadn't stand 790 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,919 Speaker 1: by me. That's right, that's a pretty cool story. Yeah, 791 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: it's a good one. 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