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Speaker 3: Good morning, everyone, Friday, December twelve. How's everybody doing so far?

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Speaker 4: So good?

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Speaker 2: Got a big gymnastics meet from my youngest today, so

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Speaker 2: nerves are running high in our household.

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Speaker 5: Huge good luck.

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Speaker 4: Yeah she yeah she.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of annoyed because I mean, she's eight years old, right,

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Speaker 2: She's not at like a super high She's a good

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Speaker 2: competitor and she's on the team. It's not like a

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Speaker 2: super high level of the sport, and we have to

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Speaker 2: take off school for the meat. Like, that's kind of

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Speaker 2: crazy to me. That whatever here, we are, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that is crazy. A bunch of these girls that do

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Speaker 2: gymnastics really seriously, they are homeschooled just so they can

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you guys know, I was like high level

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Speaker 2: good luck to aid IT today.

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Speaker 3: Good luck to everyone being in homeschooled, everyone being homeschooled,

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Speaker 3: to goluct to you as well. Big show, Big show today.

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Speaker 3: We got double guest here in the first hour. First

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Speaker 3: talking to us about meat burgers. Why your five guys

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Speaker 5: And then Ryan, who's our next guest. After that, we'll

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Speaker 6: She wrote a piece for Drops Out yesterday about a

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Speaker 6: documentary that she helped produce with Al Jazeera where she

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Speaker 6: tried to Iran to talk to people who had been

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Speaker 6: who are basically survivors of the twelve day Israeli War.

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Speaker 6: There interviewed the Foreign Minister on camera, which is which

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Speaker 6: what the after effects have been and how likely people

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Speaker 3: We also have more We have the time Person of

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Speaker 3: the Year has been anointed. We're really excited to celebrate them.

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Speaker 3: And we also have some Disney characters moving into sora Ai.

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Speaker 3: But first, Crystal, why don't you start us with this

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Speaker 3: map from Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, Trump has been pushing for a

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Speaker 2: And they've been making this big push with Indiana in particular.

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Speaker 2: You've had I think Jadie Vance went to the state.

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Speaker 2: Republicans in Indiana and the Indiana Senate soundly rejected this

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Speaker 2: Emily b probably better position than me to speak to,

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Speaker 2: But it's about to be a really landslide bad Democratic year.

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Speaker 4: I think you'd have to look back to post.

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Speaker 2: You know, you had took a massive electoral loss in

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Speaker 7: I think there's a really interesting counterfactuist to whether this

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Speaker 7: you know, ten months into Trump's first administration with the

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Speaker 7: now saying, uh, like the copiers that he didn't really

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Speaker 7: The line is, I think they're saying it just it

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 7: That first of all makes them look terrible to their constituents,

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Speaker 7: And second of all, they hate it so much because

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Speaker 7: So if you're trying to do a pressure campaign, nationalizing

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Speaker 7: which is totally how Trump was doing that, it completely backfired.

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Speaker 7: And the reporting actually suggests that. But I think also

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Speaker 7: Trump state lawmakers was saying that yes, they did threaten

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: Governor indicated that yeah.

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Speaker 7: And whether or not it actually happened. The White House

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Speaker 7: The federal funding was on the table. So it does

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Speaker 7: look like a very significant setback in terms of like

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Speaker 7: Gavin Newsom. So Newsom gets his redistricting. Okay, going to

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Speaker 7: do it in Indiana, deep red state, it's coming. We

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Speaker 7: can play your game two. And that was clumsily done

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and nine zero I think also feels just wrong

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Speaker 6: know because I just looked it up. Trump won fifty

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Speaker 6: nine to forty basically in Indiana, but that's you still

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Speaker 8: But Crystal's point I think is key.

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Speaker 6: That Like, so if you if if on average they

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Speaker 6: Then if if you did it absolutely perfectly, everybody would

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Speaker 6: hilarious things here. One, Indiana might lose federal funding before

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Speaker 4: Is absolutely logic of Mom, Donnie.

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Speaker 6: Can you believe that if I'm Mom, Donnie, I'm on

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Speaker 5: But clearly they.

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Speaker 7: Don't want to own. Clearly they don't even want to

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Speaker 7: to take the money from Indiana because then it would

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Speaker 6: Just just quietly take the money, just and make Indiana

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Speaker 6: just keep calling like the money is not here yet,

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Speaker 6: where's the money, where's the money?

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Speaker 8: Oh, it's common, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, then we'll get back to you, sorry, boys, Meadow.

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Speaker 6: The other point is they they went after so far.

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Speaker 6: So far, they've had setbacks in what Ohio, Utah, Kansas,

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Speaker 6: and and they're struggling in Missouri. So they were looking

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Speaker 2: Well, in Florida, there are some issues there because they

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I searched Trump's true social account. There's some

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Speaker 5: This is a fact.

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Speaker 7: On November twenty fish.

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Speaker 5: He's gonna read all that body.

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Speaker 8: It looks like you care, it says.

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Speaker 4: But the majority at all costs.

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Speaker 7: Republicans must fight back. I'll be strongly endorsing any state

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Speaker 7: And let's just take a look before we like, let's

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Speaker 9: The congressional maps to redistrict in that state.

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Speaker 7: A number of Republicans voted against that redistricting effort.

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Speaker 10: You have spent a lot of time talking about this.

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Speaker 9: Vice President traveled to Indiana.

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Speaker 11: What's your reaction, Well, we want every other state. That's

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Speaker 11: Probably loses X primary whatever that is. I hope he does,

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Speaker 11: We wanted a landslide all three times and then you

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Speaker 7: So it's it's not that we weren't working very hard

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was just looking at another poll that

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Speaker 4: Do regime change in Venezuela. What are we doing here?

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Speaker 2: the speaker. And you know, I mean this is direct

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Speaker 2: shot of Mike Johnson, not necessarily Trump, but like Mike

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Speaker 2: Johnson is not his own independent person out there he's

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Speaker 2: been Trump's puppet doing whatever it is that Trump wants

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Speaker 2: him to do, and that's a lot. That's been his

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Speaker 2: whole purpose and role. So you know, the other thing

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Speaker 2: I saw is she she posted this herself, So this

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Speaker 2: isn't something that she denied that she's gonna. She's thinking

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Speaker 2: about signing on to any discharge petition that comes up,

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Speaker 2: even if it's something she disagrees with. She's like, these

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Speaker 2: things should get a vote on the floor, Like they

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Speaker 2: should get a vote on the House floor, and people

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Speaker 2: disagree with them, then vote against them. But what is

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Speaker 2: it with this not being able to vote on things

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Speaker 2: and members not being able to express themselves. So I'm

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Speaker 2: so for it. I'm just sad she's resigning in January.

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Speaker 2: I want her to stick around.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I am too, But if she wants to do

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Speaker 7: a motion of vacate, she can definitely find enough people

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Speaker 7: to do it. It's like everyone is mad at Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 7: The moderates are mad at Mike Johnson, Mago is mad

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Speaker 7: at Mike Johnson. He has a very thin margin, obviously,

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Speaker 7: so the emotion of vacate basically Kevin McCarthy's entire conference

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Speaker 7: was happy with him except for like Matt Gates and

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Speaker 7: a posse of friends, and so because of what the

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Speaker 7: margins are right now, you know, it's just fair enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, most likely.

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Speaker 3: I mean the biggest why are people so mad at

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Speaker 3: Mike Johnson specifically? Like has there been a key central

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Speaker 3: failure that they're all pointing to?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I mean during the government shutdown, everyone was home

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Speaker 7: in their districts and had lots of time on their

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Speaker 7: hands and just was like getting really really mad at

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Speaker 7: Mike Johnson and felt like he wasn't prioritizing the like

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Speaker 7: actual action type stuff. He hasn't been getting them to

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Speaker 7: like do things, and they feel kind of idle and frustrated.

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Speaker 7: And so I think you would have you would have

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Speaker 7: some like Freedom Caucus types, and then you would have

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Speaker 7: like Brian Fitzpatrick from Pennsylvania, a kind of moderate type

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Speaker 7: who's been speaking out against Mike Johnson. Now, would he

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Speaker 7: actually vote in the discharge position? You probably if she

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Speaker 7: made a serious push some of these. You know, there's

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Speaker 7: twenty people who are considering announcing their retirements according to

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Speaker 7: Jake Sherman, So what do they care? They'll they'll do

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Speaker 7: a motion of va Kate if they want to, you know,

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Speaker 7: make a point about Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 2: So I would think for the moderates, for anybody who's

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Speaker 2: in a swing district too, they'd see it as an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to like separate themselves from a party that's unpopular,

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Speaker 2: you know, same function then in the past, like voting

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Speaker 2: against Nancy Pelosi would have served. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: far it gets you though, because most people see that

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Speaker 2: the problem is not really Mike Johnson, you know, outside

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Speaker 2: of like the you know, insular Republican infighting. They see

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Speaker 2: the problem as being Donald Trump and Mike Johnson is

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Speaker 2: just there to like do his bidding. But I do

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Speaker 2: think a lot of you know, some people who were

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Speaker 2: in districts that are vulnerable, would probably feel like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is an opportunity for me to show that I'm

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Speaker 2: not like the rest of these people on my own person,

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Speaker 2: I'm independent, I'm voting against the party in some key ways,

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Speaker 2: and use that to.

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Speaker 4: Kind of try to bolster an independent brand.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I tried to get how their subsidies.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they yeah, right, they might get that next week,

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Speaker 6: right they might.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Do you think that has a chance of passage? This

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Speaker 6: this deal that is coming together with House Republicans.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and this is the.

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Speaker 7: Flip side of what we were talking about with Trump

510
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Speaker 7: operating as a Roy Cohnes style political figure, where sometimes

511
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Speaker 7: the arm twisting is a disaster and it backfires because

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Speaker 7: people take such umbrage with it, especially in politics, treating

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Speaker 7: them like it's mafia time. And then on the other hand,

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Speaker 7: sometimes it twists arms and Trump is able to like

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Speaker 7: sweet talk plus strong arm and gets it done. So

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Speaker 7: I think he's really not used to it not working.

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Speaker 7: I feel like that's what happened in Indiana.

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Speaker 4: What does the deal look like?

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Speaker 2: Because I saw the Republican talking points and it was

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Speaker 2: extremely vague.

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Speaker 6: Is it what's a year extension Yeah, of of the

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Speaker 6: of the Obamacare subsidies right like through the election basically, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: which would be that'd be that'd be huge for everybody

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Speaker 6: who's staring at those bills right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, who's already gone through the marketplace.

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Speaker 8: And then if.

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Speaker 6: Democrats and then if Democrats take the House, that you

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Speaker 6: know they they'd be in a position to defend defend

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Speaker 6: the subsidies in the next spending package.

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Speaker 5: What about these two k tariff checks?

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Speaker 3: I was promised a tariff check at some point Emily

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Speaker 3: is still on the table.

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Speaker 6: They have they have conceded that that was made up.

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Speaker 6: Ah damn what they What they meant is that the

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Speaker 6: beauty of Trump's eight plus plus plus economy and his

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Speaker 6: and his beautiful tax.

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Speaker 5: Feels like we all got to check.

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Speaker 8: It's going to feel like literally.

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Speaker 7: Trump Trump has suggested that it's actually branding.

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Speaker 4: It's two thousand.

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Speaker 6: Do you just send a vibe check and sign it

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Speaker 6: that is literally and then like fine printed says this

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Speaker 6: is not not redeemable for actual money.

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Speaker 2: Well, they would do that, but Doge fired the bureaucrats

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Speaker 2: that might have been able to send out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 8: It's going to get a truth email.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get an AI slot video about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we've got our guest Brock here from

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Speaker 3: the Lever Let's let brock in Brock.

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Speaker 5: What's going on?

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Speaker 7: Man?

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Speaker 5: Hey, folks, how's it going good?

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Speaker 2: Great to have you, Yeah, thanks for having me on. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of course. So can you can you give us your

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Speaker 2: last name pronunciation?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, it's a I was not going to try Crystal.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't gonna.

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Speaker 12: Right, that's pretty close.

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Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, it's it's Rehorse.

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Speaker 12: So it's a. It's a check class name h is silent. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: it's been getting butchered since I was a kid, No worry.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, excellent. Well you're you're just so iconic. You

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Speaker 2: only need the first name.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and you read an iconic article. Here we

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Speaker 3: got it up. This secret algorithm behind your twenty dollars burger.

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Speaker 3: According to multiple lawsuits, data analytics firm Agristatus is quite

571
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Speaker 3: lately enabled the nation's largest meat processors to coordinate price

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Speaker 3: hags and wage suppression for decades.

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Speaker 5: Tell us a little bit about this story, Brock.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, sure, So this started when I saw this, Uh,

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Speaker 12: I saw a little bit of information come out about

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Speaker 12: how there was this ongoing class action lawsuit and some

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Speaker 12: of the country's biggest poultry processors had been colluding to

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Speaker 12: suppress their workers' wages. And so I write a little,

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Speaker 12: you know, good newsletter for the Lever every week, and

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Speaker 12: so this was one of the items that I was

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Speaker 12: including on this. But when I started looking a little

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Speaker 12: bit further, I saw this information about this company, Agristats.

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Speaker 12: I had seen that, you know, some places have done

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Speaker 12: coverage of this firm before. I think Mother Jones, the

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Speaker 12: American Prospect A couple of sources have covered the technology

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Speaker 12: more broadly, but nobody was really talking about this settlement.

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Speaker 12: So in lieu of a finance settlement, agristats agreed to

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Speaker 12: redact some of the wage information in a way that

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Speaker 12: you know, allegedly was like satisfactory for the plaintiffs for

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Speaker 12: the workers. But I wanted to look a little bit

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Speaker 12: more into it, and when I started talking to industry

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Speaker 12: insiders and legal experts, the overwhelming consensus seemed to be that,

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Speaker 12: well know, the settlement isn't actually gonna change anything substantive

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Speaker 12: in the industry, and it sort of follows a broader pattern,

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Speaker 12: which I think is pretty interesting. I spoke to this

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Speaker 12: independent rancher, Mike Cali Crate, who I think summed it

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Speaker 12: up pretty well. I also talked to Claire Kellaway of

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Speaker 12: the Open Markets Institute, and both of them kind of

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Speaker 12: landed on the same general pattern that is going on

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Speaker 12: with price fixing more broadly in the meat in the

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Speaker 12: meat packing industry, and it's sort of you know, these

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Speaker 12: companies are always able to settle, and often what happens

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Speaker 12: is the settlements that they pay out are less than

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Speaker 12: they got in their ill gotten gains and a lot

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Speaker 12: of the time they don't actually have to give those

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Speaker 12: games back. So it's perfectly rational for these companies, you know,

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Speaker 12: just pursuing profit maximization. It's perfectly rational for them to

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Speaker 12: continue price fixing. And what's happening is nothing's being done

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Speaker 12: to change the underlying conditions that enabled price fixing in

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Speaker 12: the first place. And that was sort of the broader

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Speaker 12: takeaway that I came with this. But I also think

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Speaker 12: it's pretty interesting because I think with everything going on

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Speaker 12: with real page right now, algorithmic price fixing is sort

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Speaker 12: of a hot button issue. It's a pretty pretty salient

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Speaker 12: political issue, especially with like New York and California trying

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Speaker 12: to update their state any trust laws to account for

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Speaker 12: sort of algorithmic price fixing. But what's interesting is agristats.

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Speaker 12: It's been around for forty years and the technology I think,

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Speaker 12: I'm not going to attempt to explain the differences in

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Speaker 12: the technology, but from what I was able to gather

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Speaker 12: from people I spoke to, the technology works pretty differently,

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Speaker 12: but it's the same idea of this third party intermediary

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Speaker 12: used by companies to exchange sensitive information. And yeah, obviously

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Speaker 12: again I think I can't overstate this. This is a

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Speaker 12: problem that exists beyond algorithms. It goes beyond third party intermediaries.

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Speaker 12: This this sort of standard smoke filled room price fixing

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Speaker 12: is still definitely also going on a lot. But it

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Speaker 12: was sort of interesting that aggressats, this firm in particular

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Speaker 12: wasn't really getting a lot of coverage, and people weren't

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Speaker 12: really talking about well, like, well, what's gonna what's gonna

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Speaker 12: happen after this settlement, Like, you know, they agreed to

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Speaker 12: redact the information, but are they just going to be

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Speaker 12: able to continue sort of existing and sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: So effectively no, I was just gonna say so effectively,

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Speaker 2: you started writing this as like a piece of good news, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: look there's this class action lawsuit and they forced a settlement.

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Speaker 2: This will improve things. And then as you start to

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Speaker 2: dig in to it, you come to realize the settlement is.

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Speaker 4: Actually a strategic tactic.

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Speaker 2: From the algorithmic price fixing company to make sure they

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Speaker 2: don't have to admit any wrongdoing and they can just

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Speaker 2: sort of like pay the fine and just consider that

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Speaker 2: a cost of doing business. And it also did you

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Speaker 2: just mentioned real page. It also did very much remind

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Speaker 2: me of that story which we have covered extensively here

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Speaker 2: as well, where effectively they thought that they could get around,

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Speaker 2: you know, antitrust and anti competitive laws by doing it

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Speaker 2: through a new fangled way, like since we're doing the

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Speaker 2: collusion through algorithms, it doesn't really count anymore. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that the mechanism is a little bit different here.

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Speaker 2: But what you effectively point to and again this is

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Speaker 2: all alleged and they deny blah blah blah, but what

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Speaker 2: you point to here is, just like with the algorithmic

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Speaker 2: rent price fixing, some of the information that landlords were

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Speaker 2: able to glean was basically like, you know what, you'll

656
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Speaker 2: actually be more profitable if you jack up the rents

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Speaker 2: so high that it is beyond and above market prices,

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Speaker 2: and you keep some units open so effectively like reducing supply,

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Speaker 2: you keep some units open because people just literally can't

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Speaker 2: afford it, you will actually be more profitable that way.

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Speaker 2: And in a similar way in the meat processing industry,

662
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Speaker 2: what they've also realized is that by constraining supply and

663
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Speaker 2: jacking up the price, they're going to be more profitable.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we've had there's a lot of factors

665
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Speaker 2: that are going into both. Why the prices are so high,

666
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Speaker 2: why the cattle herd right now is so low. There

667
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Speaker 2: are various factors that go into it. But if you

668
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Speaker 2: look at the overall structure of this market, the ranchers

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Speaker 2: are getting screwed right their margins. We've talked to Mike

670
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Speaker 2: Cali Crate as well, amazing guy. Shout out to him.

671
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: Go check out ranch Foods Direct. Ranchers are getting screwed right.

672
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Speaker 2: They're not making they're not making much if anything. They're underwater,

673
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Speaker 2: so they're not building out the herds because they can't

674
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Speaker 2: afford to, because there's no margin in it for themnsumers

675
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Speaker 2: are getting screwed and companies like Tyson's are racking up

676
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Speaker 2: massive profit margins. So just from looking at that structure

677
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Speaker 2: of the industry, you can see the way that this

678
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Speaker 2: consolidation of power has allowed them to set the price

679
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Speaker 2: and suck all of the sort of benefit out of

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Speaker 2: the market to the detriment of the ranchers and to

681
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Speaker 2: the detriment of the consumers. And you filled in with

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Speaker 2: this article an important piece of the puzzle of how

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Speaker 2: exactly they are colluding and working together allegedly to be

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Speaker 2: able to effectuate that outcome.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, that's That's definitely another thing that I that

686
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Speaker 12: at least the DOJ alleges is that these companies are

687
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Speaker 12: you know, agristats in the same way that you that

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Speaker 12: you pointed out with real page it is getting these

689
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Speaker 12: companies to artificially constraint excuse me sorry, artificially constrained supply.

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Speaker 12: And I think that's a really important thing to focus

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Speaker 12: on when we're talking about these.

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Speaker 6: That to that point, rouan On, I play the if Griffin,

693
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Speaker 6: if you have it handy, go ahead and play it.

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Speaker 8: But if not, I can.

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Speaker 6: I can pull it up the the Pete Ricketts response

696
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Speaker 6: to Dan Osborne here, I'll pull it up that we

697
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Speaker 6: this is and I think Chrystal's kind of alluding to

698
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Speaker 6: this that you know, Tyson closed. So Tyson closed this

699
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Speaker 6: processing plant a couple of announced the closure of this

700
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Speaker 6: processing plant in Lexington, Nebraska a couple of weeks ago,

701
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Speaker 6: and Dan Osborne, the Independent Senate candidate, has been making

702
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Speaker 6: the case that it's a violation of the Packers and

703
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Speaker 6: Stockyards Act, which says that you cannot take action with

704
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Speaker 6: the intent to or with the effect of manipulating the

705
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Speaker 6: price and what they're trying to do here, it appears,

706
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Speaker 6: is both manipulate the price that they have to charge

707
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Speaker 6: or that they have to pay to ranchers to get

708
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Speaker 6: the cattle, because you know, if ranchers have fewer you know,

709
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Speaker 6: processing plans to sell to, then they can charge less

710
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Speaker 6: for their cattle, and then if as they reduce the

711
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 6: supply that they're producing, they can then charge more to

712
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Speaker 6: the customers.

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Speaker 8: And so Osborne has been.

714
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Speaker 6: Saying the FEDS need to step in here and actually

715
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Speaker 6: crack down on this criminal wrongdoing. And so Ricketts was

716
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Speaker 6: asked about this, and he's a billionaire who's running against

717
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Speaker 6: this independent mechanic, and his answer is just so mealy mouthed,

718
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 6: and I think it shows everything. So yeah, so let's

719
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Speaker 6: let's go back to Ricketts.

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Speaker 5: Independent mechanic versus independent billionaire. Card Zach.

721
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Speaker 13: I've got my team taking a look at any allegation

722
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Speaker 13: of wrongdoing with regard to how Tyson is going about

723
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Speaker 13: this process.

724
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Speaker 11: And of course, what I have.

725
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Speaker 13: Said in the past is that I've talked to other

726
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 13: employers with regard to finding jobs for the people who

727
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Speaker 13: are being displaced. I have talked to Donnie King, the

728
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Speaker 13: Tyson CEO about making sure that that facility can continue

729
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 13: to be used for job creation, and that I'm really

730
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Speaker 13: treating this like a natural disaster, that it's locally, locally executed,

731
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Speaker 13: state managed, and fairly supported, so will continue to.

732
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Speaker 4: Natural disaster and the local god really.

733
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Speaker 13: To mitigate issues associated with the shutdown.

734
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Speaker 8: Amazing, like a natural disaster.

735
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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, an act of God because he sees these

736
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Speaker 6: CEOs as gods, and so the acting together, it's they

737
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Speaker 6: They've brought about a natural disaster on this town, and

738
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Speaker 6: he's gonna he's hoping that they can continue using it

739
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Speaker 6: for job creation.

740
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Speaker 8: Like what are you doing? Like, what are you talking

741
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Speaker 8: about anyway? Brought? How does this fit into your reporting?

742
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

743
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Speaker 12: Sure, So I think like we were sort of alluding

744
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Speaker 12: to a little bit earlier, I think the closure of

745
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Speaker 12: this could you remind me of of what percentage of

746
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Speaker 12: the beef supply the closure of this market would.

747
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Speaker 6: It's fifteen percent of Nebraska's beef processing at it's five

748
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 6: percent nationally, like so like one out of twenty. And

749
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Speaker 6: also like I think we should acknowledge for like, this

750
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Speaker 6: is just an awful industry and we should.

751
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Speaker 5: Like move away from it.

752
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Speaker 6: And move to something more humane and that would be better. However,

753
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Speaker 6: this is what we've got.

754
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

755
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Speaker 6: So, you know, one out of twenty one out of

756
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Speaker 6: twenty cattle that get butchered get butchered at this processing plant.

757
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Speaker 12: Yeah so, I mean, like I think again, this sort

758
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Speaker 12: of follows the general trend. I mean, this is both

759
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 12: going to be obviously very detrimental to consumers, the people

760
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Speaker 12: buying the beef. This is that's a very substantial amount.

761
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Speaker 12: But I think also it's important maybe to think about

762
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Speaker 12: how propped up these these rural towns become when a

763
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Speaker 12: plant like Tyson moves in. I mean, when there's you know,

764
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Speaker 12: three thousand or so workers in this plant in a

765
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Speaker 12: town of ten thousand, the local economy becomes entirely reliant

766
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Speaker 12: on this one, this on plant.

767
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Speaker 5: So somebody they can build.

768
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Speaker 7: The data center and then do more of the AI

769
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Speaker 7: computing at the data center from all.

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Speaker 2: The jobs that will bring yes in both of the

771
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Speaker 2: jobs that will bring yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yes.

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Speaker 6: And so it's fascinating to see the Republicans try to

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Speaker 6: push back on this, because the Republican billionaire is just

775
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Speaker 6: you know, his he has he has thoughts in prayers,

776
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Speaker 6: and that I don't think that's going to cut it

777
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Speaker 6: for this town. And born Osborne has been going in

778
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Speaker 6: on this the last several weeks, like he looks like

779
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 6: he's gonna run his entire campaign on this, because it's

780
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 6: such a perfect proxy for how we understand billionaires to

781
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 6: be rigging the economy against regular people, both the workers

782
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Speaker 6: and the consumers.

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Speaker 12: And I think it is it is sorry, no go ahead.

784
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Speaker 12: I think it is such a salient issue on both

785
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 12: sides of the aisle. I mean, something that I sort

786
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 12: of mentioned in my article was that, you know, maybe

787
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Speaker 12: like a month or two ago, even the Trump administration

788
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 12: has sort of tried maybe it's more opportunism, but they've

789
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Speaker 12: tried to kind of capitalize on how much anger there

790
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 12: is around price fixing and in the meat industry specifically.

791
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Speaker 12: I think Trump called out in a truth social post.

792
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Speaker 12: Again he didn't name any names, but he called out

793
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Speaker 12: foreign owned meat packing companies. But again, I think, and

794
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 12: a lot of the people I spoke to tends to

795
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 12: be of the opinion that this is maybe more rhetoric

796
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Speaker 12: than anything else. I think it's important to note that

797
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 12: the Trump administration they did accept I think it was

798
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Speaker 12: a five million dollar donation from Pilgrim's Pride, which is

799
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Speaker 12: a subsidiary of JBS, which is a Brazilian owned company.

800
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Speaker 12: And shortly after that donation, again there's I don't want

801
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Speaker 12: to like assume causation or anything, but shortly after that donation, JBS,

802
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 12: this Brazilian company was listed publicly in the New York

803
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 12: Stock Exchange. But I do think it really speaks to

804
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 12: you know, regardless of where you are in the political spectrum,

805
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 12: there's these issues are carry a lot of weight, and

806
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 12: even just talking about them, it's a yeah, it's on

807
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 12: a lot of people's minds right now.

808
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

809
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: Well, and Rickets is not just you know, a very

810
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: one of the wealthiest members of Congress. He also has

811
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: received according to Osborne. I haven't double checked it, but

812
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: according to Dan Osborne's eventy thousand dollars in campaign contributions

813
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: and support to hard soft money from Tyson's directly. And

814
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: I think there used to be a bit of a

815
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: Republican base assumption that what was good for these companies

816
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: was going to be good for them in these individual towns.

817
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: And I saw I certainly saw this in West Virginia,

818
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: where they're you know, from the antagonism of the mind

819
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 2: wars there shift into this like Friends of Coal campaign,

820
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: where the idea that is actively pushed from Chamber of

821
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: Commerce types and from Republican elites, and that is bought

822
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: into in a lot of ways from the base voters themselves,

823
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: is that, Okay, if these companies do well and we

824
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: like to support them and give them their tax cuts

825
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: and let them do their thing, then that is going

826
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Speaker 2: to be good for my town. They're not going to

827
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: leave my town. They're not going to screw us over

828
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: this is what we've got to your point, like, this

829
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: is all we have in this town, so we better

830
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: keep them happy. And I think that that illusion has

831
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: been completely destroyed at this point. So you know, for me,

832
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: this issue, obviously, it's very visceral for people because one

833
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: of the markers of whether you're making it or not

834
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: is whether you can afford like a stake every now

835
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Speaker 2: and again. And for so many Americans now, the prices

836
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: are just so out of control that that is just

837
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Speaker 2: not even remotely a possibility. That's completely off the table,

838
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Speaker 2: both literally and figuratively at this point.

839
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Speaker 4: So when you have some.

840
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Speaker 2: Sort of insight into okay, well, why is that, who

841
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: is what happened? With this specific market, like who is

842
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: screwing you over? You know, I think people are very

843
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: receptive and very open to the understanding that these giant

844
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: companies are colluding allegedly in specific ways using now high tech.

845
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: But it's the same, you know, same as getting in

846
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: the smoke filled room and doing it that way. It's

847
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: effectively the same mechanism, just through like a tech smoke screen.

848
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: That that is a significant part of the puzzle of

849
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: why it is that you're getting screwed in this particular way.

850
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Speaker 8: And on the electoral level.

851
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Speaker 6: And then brockwen leave you with the last word, Pete

852
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 6: Ricketts looks like the guy who's doing the colluding and

853
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 6: the screwing. Like you couldn't have a worse candidate to

854
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 6: me if you're like, he looks like your CEO. He

855
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 6: looks like the guy who's going to saunter through the plant,

856
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 6: you know, with a like crisp hard hat for five minutes,

857
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 6: walk out and then close your plant.

858
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 8: Like he just looks like that guy.

859
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 6: And so when he's like, I'm going to do everything

860
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Speaker 6: I can for these workers, You're like, are you are

861
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 6: you really.

862
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 8: Not so sure? Johnny Warbucks anyway, any last thoughts. Yeah, no, no.

863
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Speaker 12: I think that pretty much does it. But thank you

864
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 12: all so much for having me on it.

865
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Speaker 3: Really, I actually do have a Brock, I have a

866
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Speaker 3: McDonald's base question. Me and Crystal are famously McDonald's eaters

867
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Speaker 3: on the show.

868
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Speaker 5: We love going to.

869
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Speaker 3: Mickey D's for a little fast food, but there is

870
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Speaker 3: something incredibly undignified about paying like sixteen seventeen dollars for

871
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Speaker 3: McDonald's combo. Is this kind of price ficting, like affecting

872
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: burger chains like nationwide?

873
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Speaker 7: Like?

874
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Speaker 5: Is this why it's so expensive in McDonald's these days?

875
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Speaker 12: I mean, I don't know if I want to necessarily

876
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 12: say that that's the only factor that's at play, but

877
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Speaker 12: from what is alleged in these lawsuits and from what

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Speaker 12: a lot of the sources that I spoke to said,

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Speaker 12: this is definitely one of the factors that's contributing to

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Speaker 12: rising crisis in beef, which would probably then translate to

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Speaker 12: higher prices for burgers and McDonald's.

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Speaker 4: Tacobou fantastic talk about.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's no products luckily though.

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Speaker 5: Brock Brock, thanks for coming out.

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Speaker 3: Where can we find you if people want to learn

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Speaker 3: more about you?

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Speaker 5: Follow your journalism sure.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, my uh, my Twitter is just my name with

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Speaker 12: no caps in no spaces brock rehor Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Surprising that was available. I'm glad you could get it luckily.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Stiff in the description, thanks for joining us, Brock,

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Speaker 3: We'll catch you later.

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Speaker 12: Thanks, appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 5: Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: Yeah of course, And guys, make sure you subscribe over

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Speaker 2: the lever if you are able. They have actually a

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Speaker 2: lot of really great reporting always, but specifically right now.

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Speaker 2: lot of great work on AI, is it an AI bubble?

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Speaker 2: All of that sort of stuff. So give our our

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Speaker 5: And Ryan who we got now.

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Speaker 6: So hint hint Asan joining us from London who authored

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Speaker 6: a recent piece, well, created a documentary for Al Jazeera.

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Speaker 6: Uh did a piece for us over at drop site

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Speaker 6: News which I encourage people to go and read the

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Speaker 6: Aftermath of the Twelve Day War between Israel and Iran.

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Speaker 7: UH.

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Speaker 6: The documentary itself which aired on Al Vazia. If you

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Speaker 6: don't mind, we'll just play. Let me let me just

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Speaker 6: throw up a little clip of it, and then and

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Speaker 6: then hint, well, first of all, hint, welcome to bringing points,

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Speaker 6: Thank you for.

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Speaker 10: Joining us, thank you for having me pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 8: And so let me pull this, let me pull this up.

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Speaker 6: Just play a little bit of this so people get

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Speaker 6: a flavor for the reporting that you did, you and

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Speaker 6: your team did. And then and then we'll discuss this.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 9: In Iran's largest cemetery, Mother's choir out for children who

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Speaker 9: will never answer. In June thirteenth, twenty twenty five, is

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Speaker 9: Well launched Operation Rising Lion brik in nuclear and military facilities,

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Speaker 9: as well as devastating residential neighborhoods across Iran, killing hundreds

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Speaker 9: of civilians, among them of your Oldermir Ali and his

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Speaker 9: father was.

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Speaker 14: A man daughter as in Kashom Astrad.

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Speaker 10: From one that is that.

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Speaker 14: You want to welcoming the win in Hamed Javon, in

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Speaker 14: Hamed Ptud, in your question them you study you know

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Speaker 14: about Shaki one miss of time, pro fine dosh.

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Speaker 10: Contact the US act Israel's war joining the offensive on

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Speaker 10: the tenth Day by striking around nuclear sites.

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Speaker 9: With some of the biggest bombs in the world.

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Speaker 10: President Trump called it a spectacular military success.

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Speaker 6: And when you were talking to people there and going

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Speaker 6: around the country, what what what what did? What did

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Speaker 6: you think you would find going in and what what

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Speaker 6: surprised you about the aftermath of the attack.

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Speaker 10: Well, we've covered for fault Lines and Vice before I

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Speaker 10: worked with Al Jazeera and fault Lines. We've covered wars

945
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Speaker 10: in different parts of the world. And wherever you go

946
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Speaker 10: and you cover these stories of conflict and you speak

947
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Speaker 10: to the victims of those wars, there's not a story

948
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Speaker 10: that isn't devastating. But when it comes to Iran, we're

949
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Speaker 10: not short of hearing about the politics behind it all.

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Speaker 10: We're not sort of hearing about the nuclear program, what

951
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Speaker 10: the US thinks, what Israel thinks, what the Iranian government thinks.

952
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Speaker 10: But I think what we really wanted to do is

953
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Speaker 10: focus in and give a platform to those victims of

954
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Speaker 10: war so we can hear from them the impact of

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Speaker 10: this war. Because all these wars are fought by politicians,

956
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Speaker 10: we want to know what impact it has on the

957
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Speaker 10: people on an individual level. And really just given the

958
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Speaker 10: space to be able to talk about that and what

959
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Speaker 10: I have done so many interviews with people who have

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Speaker 10: lost loved ones, and nothing prepared our entire team for

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Speaker 10: hearing these stories in Iran. Every single person on that team,

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Speaker 10: every time we spoke to someone there were our translator

963
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Speaker 10: was crying, the producer behind the screen was crying. It's

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Speaker 10: just very difficult to not be able to feel that

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Speaker 10: emotion with the people that we were speaking to. And

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Speaker 10: it really hammered home just how devastating it is that,

967
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Speaker 10: regardless of what people think in terms of politics and ideology,

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Speaker 10: that the victims of war is always the most vulnerable

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Speaker 10: in society. And you know, they always the children that

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Speaker 10: we heard about who not only lost their lives but

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Speaker 10: also are currently struggling with the impact of it and

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Speaker 10: the injuries that they've they've obtained. I think what we

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Speaker 10: took away from this is just how how much of

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Speaker 10: an impact this had on people in Iran and also

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Speaker 10: the risk of what another war, the risk of another war,

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Speaker 10: and what that would have on people as well going forward.

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Speaker 6: What do you think it was that, real quick, real quick,

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Speaker 6: what do you think it was that made it so

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Speaker 6: that these this hardened crew, You know, this team that's

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Speaker 6: been around the world and seen, you know, the ravages

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Speaker 6: of war was so extraordinarily affected by this. I wonder

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Speaker 6: if it's partly it's that, you know, Iran, even though

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Speaker 6: they're getting you know, constantly threatened with attack, it's generally

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Speaker 6: been living at peace, whereas you know, a lot of

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Speaker 6: war torn areas, like they can they can count the

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Speaker 6: the months in between conflicts and then another and then

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Speaker 6: new conflict comes and it becomes not a way of life,

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Speaker 6: but like less of a shock when the new conflict

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Speaker 6: breaks out, whereas with this quote unquote twelve day war,

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Speaker 6: you know, one day there's peace, in the next day

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Speaker 6: just bombs are raining down everywhere, and then all of

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Speaker 6: a sudden it stops.

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Speaker 8: What was it that like shook your team so much?

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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, we worked with local Iranian producers

995
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Speaker 10: as well on the team. Whenever we report, we always

996
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Speaker 10: work with local journalists. It's the only way that we

997
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Speaker 10: can really tell the stories as well as we can.

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Speaker 10: And the local journalists that we were working with, they

999
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Speaker 10: lived through the war themselves, and actually even talking to

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Speaker 10: them when we went filming and talking about the possibility

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Speaker 10: of another war, you could see how afraid they were

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Speaker 10: of that possibility because the memory of those bombs going

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Speaker 10: off nearby and hearing the explosions in Tehran during the

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Speaker 10: war and living through that, it was still impacting them

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Speaker 10: and the idea. I remember when we were on we

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Speaker 10: were in the car one day and there were news

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Speaker 10: reports coming in that Israel might be planning another attack

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Speaker 10: within the next few months, by the end of the year.

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Speaker 10: And the team that the Iranians that we were with.

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Speaker 10: When you're journalists, you just talk about things on you know,

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Speaker 10: have you seen this post, have you seen this tweet,

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Speaker 10: have you seen whatever? But the response that we had

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Speaker 10: from the Iranian journalists who were in the car and

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Speaker 10: how afraid they were hearing that us flippantly saying, oh,

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Speaker 10: Israel could attack again. Their response, as humans who live

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Speaker 10: in the war, who will be the people who experienced

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Speaker 10: whatever happened it was. It kind of humbled us a

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Speaker 10: little bit and made us remember that this is this

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Speaker 10: is real for people, and they were so afraid of

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Speaker 10: it happened again. It also hammered home what had happened

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Speaker 10: in Tehran, that this was for the people who lived there.

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Speaker 10: The bombs were going off in the middle in the

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Speaker 10: middle of the city in the middle of the capitol.

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Speaker 10: And I think also in terms of so for them

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Speaker 10: going and hearing from Iranians who had experienced the same

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Speaker 10: things as them but had suffered so much more, that

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Speaker 10: was hugely impactful. And also Iranians they have obviously every

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Speaker 10: country has, you know, the people have their own ways,

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Speaker 10: and Iranians have a very very poetic, lamenting way of

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Speaker 10: telling stories or talking about what happened, and that came

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Speaker 10: across when we were speaking to them about their loss

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Speaker 10: and the way that they spoke. You saw there at

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Speaker 10: the top of the report. We spoke to Sayed, who

1034
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Speaker 10: is the grandfather of Emir earlier, twelve year old who

1035
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Speaker 10: was killed alongside with his father Reza, and just the

1036
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Speaker 10: way that he says, there's a clip that comes later

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Speaker 10: he said, I pray for Martyrdom. I wish God would

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Speaker 10: take me because I miss him so much. And you

1039
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Speaker 10: can see that in the way that he spoke. It

1040
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Speaker 10: wasn't just you know, the people behind the camera who

1041
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Speaker 10: were breaking down listening to these stories. Every single person

1042
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Speaker 10: person that we spoke to broke down because even though

1043
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Speaker 10: this war happened months ago, the impact that it's had

1044
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Speaker 10: on them it's so raw right now, and you can

1045
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Speaker 10: see that it's going to be it's going to live

1046
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Speaker 10: with them forever. It's impacted their lives permanently. It's changed

1047
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Speaker 10: their lives forever. And I think that that was really

1048
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Speaker 10: what you know, how that affected us just to say it. Also,

1049
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Speaker 10: it's not uncommon for when we go out on the

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Speaker 10: road and we film and we speak to victims for

1051
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Speaker 10: us to find it very difficult or to quet. I

1052
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Speaker 10: think with a lot of journalists we have this idea

1053
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Speaker 10: that we need to be that neutrality means to not

1054
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Speaker 10: be moved, whereas I actually don't agree with that. If

1055
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Speaker 10: you're telling the stories of the victims of war and

1056
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Speaker 10: you're dealing with a power dynamic and you're giving them

1057
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Speaker 10: a platform to be able to speak, I think humanity

1058
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Speaker 10: and allowing the viewer to be able to relate to

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Speaker 10: that person on camera, and you being able to relate

1060
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Speaker 10: to the person that you're speaking to. It's not an

1061
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Speaker 10: accountability interview. This this is somebody who suffered through something.

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Speaker 10: I think that's actually very important and when you have

1063
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 10: that sort of relationship, it really comes across on camera.

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Speaker 7: Well. And I was going to ask more about the

1065
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Speaker 7: reporting process, the reporting process too, Just what it was

1066
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Speaker 7: like to be in Iran, if there's anything you want

1067
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Speaker 7: to add just about being a journalist in Iran. Were

1068
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 7: people eager to talk? Was it hard to find anyone

1069
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Speaker 7: or were people really like very pleased to be able

1070
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Speaker 7: to tell their story? But yeah, as a journalist in

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Speaker 7: Iran trying to cover this, any difficulties, any process, stories

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Speaker 7: that might be interesting.

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Speaker 10: It's not easy to get access to Iran. It is

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Speaker 10: very difficult to go there as journalists and to report.

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Speaker 10: So you know, we worked for a long time trying

1076
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Speaker 10: to get this access and you know, we were very

1077
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Speaker 10: happy when we were able to go in. And then

1078
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Speaker 10: once again, once you're inside, it's not so easy that

1079
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 10: you know, you can go out and report whatever it

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Speaker 10: is you want. There are process in order to be

1081
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Speaker 10: able to get access to certain things. Some things are

1082
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Speaker 10: easier than others. So for example, when we want to

1083
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Speaker 10: speak to a victim of the war, that is a

1084
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Speaker 10: case of working with the local journalists, knowing who the

1085
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Speaker 10: people are that have been impacted, reaching out to them,

1086
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Speaker 10: seeing if they're willing to speak. There were some people

1087
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Speaker 10: who didn't want to speak to us. There were some

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Speaker 10: people who would say, actually, we don't want to speak

1089
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Speaker 10: to Western journalists. In fact, Amir Ali's grandfather at first,

1090
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Speaker 10: he didn't really want to speak to us because he said,

1091
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Speaker 10: you know, I've done it before and what I said

1092
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Speaker 10: didn't come across accurately, and I don't know what impact

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Speaker 10: it's going to have, and I don't know what change

1094
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 10: it's going to have. But we hear that from people

1095
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 10: wherever we go. When people have experienced something and they

1096
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 10: have been made victims, sometimes they lose faith in institutions

1097
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 10: or platforms or the media. We did face that a lot,

1098
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 10: and that definitely made us really determined to ensure that

1099
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 10: we are telling the story accurately and really doing justice

1100
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 10: to whatever it is that they were telling us. So

1101
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 10: that had its own issues, but I think it's very

1102
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 10: similar to wherever you go reaching out to people, speaking

1103
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 10: to them, building that trust between you and the people

1104
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 10: that you're speaking to to ensure that they are happy

1105
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 10: and that you are having an honest relationship and you

1106
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 10: can tell their story as well as you can the

1107
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 10: other places. For example, in the documentary, we actually managed

1108
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 10: to get access to Evine prison, and Avine, you know,

1109
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 10: has been reported on many times before it's the location

1110
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 10: of where anti government activists or protesters or journalists have

1111
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 10: been reported to have been held. It's also the place

1112
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 10: that was bombed by Israel and resulted in the largest

1113
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 10: casualty as a result of an attack on the eleventh

1114
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 10: day of the Twelve day war. So right at the end,

1115
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 10: and so getting access to that was very, very difficult,

1116
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 10: and we were having to put in requests repeatedly over

1117
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 10: and over again. It looked like at one point we

1118
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 10: might not be able to get access, and then you know,

1119
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 10: we got the phone call saying be there at this time.

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Speaker 10: Even when we went in, we couldn't just explore the

1121
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 10: prison grounds as much as we wanted to, but we

1122
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 10: were able to see one of the major bond out

1123
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Speaker 10: sites of the prison and it was left as it was,

1124
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Speaker 10: and we were allowed to roam about in there and

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Speaker 10: have a look and you know, go and look at

1126
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 10: the different flaws and you know, see what had been

1127
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 10: left and the impacts of that and so but it

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00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 10: was it was very difficult getting in, and when we

1129
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 10: finally managed to get in, we did have some freedom

1130
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 10: to be able to explore the area and too really

1131
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 10: try and understand the impact of that strike, and then

1132
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 10: afterwards we actually spoke to you know, one of the

1133
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 10: judges who is you know, works it with the government

1134
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 10: on human rights, and we also put to him the

1135
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 10: allegations of human rights abuses in the in prison by

1136
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 10: the Iranian government. So we covered all angle and also

1137
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 10: they were very happy to answer those questions. Maybe happy

1138
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 10: is the wrong word, but they they didn't put up

1139
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 10: any obstacles to us asking those questions or saying that

1140
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 10: we couldn't ask those questions, and we did do that.

1141
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 10: So I would say definitely very difficult to get access

1142
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 10: to anything that is linked to the government. Another example, sorry,

1143
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 10: is there is a building, Chamran Building, which was Chamran Complex,

1144
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 10: and that was bombed one of the first places that

1145
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 10: was bombed in the first hours of the war, and

1146
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 10: it resulted in what the government tells us were around

1147
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 10: I think I'd have to check this through the documentary,

1148
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 10: but you know around forty six I think people killed

1149
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 10: in total, and twenty four of those being children. But

1150
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 10: that building was linked to the Ministry of Defense, and

1151
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 10: so getting access to that, for example, was difficult, and

1152
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 10: we had to wait just to be able to go

1153
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 10: film on that site. And you know, there were procedures

1154
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 10: and communications that we had to go through. In the end,

1155
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 10: again we were allowed to go there and film and

1156
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 10: see what was left of this building that had been destroyed.

1157
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 10: That was the building that Amir Ali's grandfather, Amir Ali,

1158
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 10: had been killed in.

1159
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Speaker 2: And I have a maybe it's a silly question. And

1160
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,919
Speaker 2: then unfortunately, after I asked my question, here you answer.

1161
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to jump because my daughter has a

1162
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: gymnastics meat today that.

1163
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Speaker 7: I have amazed too.

1164
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Speaker 2: But my silly question here is, you know, as an

1165
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 2: American on Twitter, I'm treated to a lot of images

1166
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: of women in mini skirts on the street in Tehran

1167
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies, and I'm curious when you weren't

1168
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: reporting and doing your job, when you were just out

1169
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: and about in the city as a woman, like observing

1170
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: ordinary life on the streets, Like what does it give

1171
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: Americans a sense of what is it like in Tehran

1172
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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 10: So this was my first time in Taharan. I've never

1174
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 10: been before, and I too have just seen the images

1175
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 10: that were online and actually what I saw now surprised me.

1176
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 10: So we were advised that was probably a good idea

1177
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 10: to wear the hijab, But you can see in the documentary.

1178
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 10: I'm kind of a you know, a half hijabb, i

1179
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 10: would say in Tahran. And we didn't go outside of Tehran,

1180
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 10: but in Tahran, most of the women either wore the

1181
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 10: hijabb loosely, wore it around the neck, or didn't wear

1182
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 10: it at all. And one of the very trendy young areas,

1183
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 10: hipster areas that we saw, we went there in the evening.

1184
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 10: It wasn't too far from the hotel. We saw a woman.

1185
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 10: I saw a woman buzz cut in a crop top

1186
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 10: walking around the streets of Tehran, which was just huge

1187
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 10: and surprising. Now I'm told you know, this is something

1188
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 10: this is a recent development. It hasn't always been like this,

1189
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 10: but since the protests and then also since the war,

1190
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 10: there has been an easing up of people's freedoms, individual

1191
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 10: freedoms in it around to be able to dress how

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01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 10: they want. So that was definitely something that I saw.

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Speaker 10: I was really shocked with the amount. And it wasn't

1194
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Speaker 10: just like the odd person here, and there many women

1195
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 10: not wearing not wearing cajab, which was something that you know,

1196
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 10: was surprising for me to see considering especially what we've heard.

1197
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 10: But yeah, it was. It was. What was Also what's interesting,

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Speaker 10: I do think this is important to say is that

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Speaker 10: we spoke to a lot of people who were not

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01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 10: fans of the government and people who supported the government,

1201
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 10: but they all said that they were united against the

1202
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 10: attack on Iran. So I think this is what we've

1203
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 10: heard from people. A lot of Iranians, you know, speculating

1204
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 10: and people that we speak to thought that perhaps Israel's

1205
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 10: plan was to create some form of disunity inside Iran

1206
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 10: and to create unrest, and that didn't happen. Actually, a

1207
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 10: lot of the people there, the people, whether they supported

1208
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 10: the government, when they didn't support the government, were very

1209
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 10: very united against outside aggression or the bombing of Iran.

1210
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 10: And once you're there and you speak to the victims

1211
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 10: and you see the impact, it's very very clear. People

1212
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 10: were afraid, they lost loved ones, they lost children, and

1213
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 10: so the feelings of politics were put aside, and in return,

1214
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 10: you had this unity against the bombing of their country.

1215
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 10: And that was something that was that came across with

1216
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Speaker 10: everyone that we spoke to.

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Speaker 8: Last question for me, then, how was and Crystal, thank you,

1218
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 8: good luck.

1219
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Speaker 4: It's great to meet you. Thank you guys.

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Speaker 6: How are people talking about a.

1221
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 8: Follow on strike.

1222
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 6: Were they talking about it more as a looming weather event,

1223
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 6: basically like just this is like this is going to

1224
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 6: happen and we just need to kind of prepare for

1225
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 6: it and there's nothing we can do about it. Or

1226
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 6: was there any talk about ways that they could actually

1227
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 6: stave off some type of second attack, And I guess

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Speaker 6: related to that, there's been a lot of reporting in

1229
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 6: the last several days about Iran. Iran's quote unquote pivot

1230
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 6: to China and kind of giving up almost I don't know,

1231
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 6: giving up isn't the right word, but putting more emphasis

1232
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 6: on the relationship with China rather than bending over backwards

1233
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 6: to try to get Europeans and the Americans to lift

1234
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 6: the sanctions and stop attacking them.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think with the people that we spoke to

1236
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 10: first of all, so the first part of your question,

1237
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 10: and of course this isn't this won't be everybody. These

1238
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 10: are just the snapshot of opinions that we got when

1239
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 10: we were there, and people that we spoke to, it

1240
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 10: was almost like a kind of a psychological defense that

1241
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 10: they didn't want to accept that it was happening again.

1242
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 10: It wasn't like they were oh, yes, this is definitely happening.

1243
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 10: We've got to just you know, get through it. And

1244
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 10: it was more like, we don't want this, right, we

1245
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 10: don't want this to happen. Please don't let this happen again.

1246
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 10: We don't want this to happen. And it's not They've

1247
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 10: definitely psychologically, I don't think I want to accept that

1248
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 10: it would happen again. I think, you know, to emphasize

1249
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 10: the bombing that happened into Harana and the people that

1250
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 10: we spoke to for twelve days, destroyed so many people's

1251
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 10: lives and put the fear of God into a lot

1252
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 10: of people, and the idea of just broaching this could

1253
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 10: happen again, they want whatever can be done to avoid that.

1254
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 10: That's not something it's like, Okay, we need to get

1255
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 10: through this or this is the next time. And I

1256
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 10: think they're very aware that if there is another war,

1257
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 10: it could be longer and it could result in more

1258
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 10: lives and we don't know what will happen. Then you know,

1259
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 10: if what will be the aim and the goal. If

1260
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 10: you've already bombed the nuclear plants and you say that

1261
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 10: you've put back the nuclear program by ten years, what

1262
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 10: are you going to try and achieve from the next conflict,

1263
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 10: and is it to do with, you know, getting rid

1264
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 10: of the government. And if that's the case, that is

1265
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 10: a long and bloody war. And so people I think

1266
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 10: they are petrified of that happening and are hopeful and

1267
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 10: want a diplomatic solution. And actually, when we spoke to

1268
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 10: the foreign minister, the Iranian foreign minister, we also interview

1269
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 10: with the documentary answer he gave to us any question

1270
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 10: we asked him, he ended it with there is only

1271
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 10: a diplomatic solution. He said that over and over again.

1272
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 10: It's very clear that they do not want to go

1273
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 10: into another armed conflict. They do of course as a government.

1274
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 10: They had to say over and over again, you know,

1275
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 10: we will fight back with everything we've thought, We are prepared,

1276
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 10: we will take on Israel if you know, if they

1277
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 10: want to attack us, we will defend ourselves and we

1278
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 10: have the mean to do so. And then prefix it

1279
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 10: with we think we would like a diplomatic solution. And

1280
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 10: to answer your second question of that, they try and

1281
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 10: they stopping bending over backwards to the US and pivoting

1282
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 10: to China. I think that's definitely something you could see

1283
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 10: when we were inside Iran that a lot of the

1284
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 10: exports were coming from that direction, so it imports from

1285
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 10: that direction. And also just like us, yeah, yeah, and

1286
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 10: then we also and then like in the conversations that

1287
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 10: we have with the foreign minister, he said that we

1288
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 10: do not trust the US as an honest negotiating partner. Again,

1289
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 10: that doesn't mean that he said, doesn't mean that we

1290
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 10: don't want diplomatic solution. We do, and we want to

1291
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 10: emphasize that over and over again. But it's clear that

1292
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 10: they don't trust the US. It's clear that they don't

1293
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 10: have a huge amount of hope. And yeah, it's a

1294
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 10: it's a case of waiting to see what happens next.

1295
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 6: That's so interesting, Well so Hindusan that the documentary is

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 6: called twelve Days That ook Aran. You can find it

1297
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 6: on Al Jazeera English's YouTube page. Can also read your

1298
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 6: sum people can read your summary over it drop site.

1299
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 6: But thanks so much. And last thing like do you

1300
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 6: know what? Do you know what's next? You know what

1301
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 6: investigation you're doing next? Can you tell or is it

1302
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 6: that under wraps?

1303
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 10: Well, thus, all, thank you for having me, you know,

1304
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,799
Speaker 10: great to be here with you all, and what's coming next?

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Speaker 10: There there's a few things in the pipeline for twenty

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Speaker 10: twenty six. I don't want to give away too much

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Speaker 10: and jinx it because none of it has been one

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Speaker 10: hundred percent over the line. But look out for prisons

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Speaker 10: and Brazil. Okay, interchange something out two separate things that

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Speaker 10: are not in the same, could be something different. Don't

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Speaker 10: hold me to it, but there's always something in the pipe.

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Speaker 6: Well, look forward to having you back when those come

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Speaker 6: out of the other end of the pipeline, and.

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Speaker 10: Look forward to it. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 12: Stay safe.

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Speaker 6: So Griffin, Griffin, does that do it for this portion

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Speaker 6: of the program or do we have anything else?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 3: You know, we're running out, We're running out of time.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's move over to the second half, which you

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Speaker 3: can find.

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Speaker 6: Of course, we we haven't talked about weed. We can

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Speaker 6: just let people know that. Yeah, we'll get that in.

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Speaker 6: Did it happen. It looks like they're rescheduling weed, yeah,

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Speaker 6: which means that the weed shops will have access to banking.

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Speaker 6: I've been talking to Sager. I think he's onto like

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Speaker 6: a real genuine corruption angle. Like if you look at

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Speaker 6: some of the yeah, the movements of the the weed

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Speaker 6: penny stocks over the last couple of days. I'm shocked

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Speaker 6: that there wasn't more integrity among the uh the stock

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Speaker 6: traders in in weed companies. But it looks like the

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Speaker 6: administration was leaking some information uh to some of these

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Speaker 6: weed executives and that they were they were taking money

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Speaker 6: off of it.

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Speaker 3: But I guess not we users, because they would have

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Speaker 3: never sent those emails if they've been smoking it. I

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Speaker 3: want to get into that and a lot of other

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Speaker 3: stories in the second half of the show, And Sager

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Speaker 3: also sent us a manifesto or a rebuttal to the

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Speaker 3: to the weed legalization that I'll that I'll have to

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Speaker 3: bring up on the show as well. We're gonna switch

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Speaker 3: over to that. Now you can go to Emily. Where

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Speaker 3: can you go to sign up for Breaking Points?

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Speaker 5: Wait? Where do you go?

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Speaker 7: Shout out by the way to all of the premium

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Speaker 7: subs that came up to us after our reason debate,

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Speaker 7: where of course, as expected, we did wipe the floor

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Speaker 7: with little wonderful folks at reason, but so many breakers there.

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Speaker 7: It was like Ryan and I werely looking around. We're like, whoa,

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Speaker 7: there are a lot of you guys. You guys showed

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Speaker 5: And Ryan, what do you get for that premium subscription?

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Speaker 6: Well, soon, when I win the internal argument, you're going

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Speaker 6: to get the Friday Show Live. It is is running

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Speaker 6: up against some uples by the name of Griffin, but

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Speaker 6: we're going to over We're going to overcome them.

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Speaker 5: The compromise. We're gonna go live, but we're gonna start

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Speaker 5: an hour later. That's the compromise.

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Speaker 6: And actually, as a West Coaster, that will you know,

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Speaker 6: actually be able to see the sun when you wake up.

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Speaker 8: It's okay, you know, I'll make that deal.

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Speaker 6: Starting start an hour later Friday, Friday Show Live for

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Speaker 6: premium subscribers, and then Monday through Thursday you get the

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Speaker 6: show an hour early, without without the ads, unless YouTube

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Speaker 6: just breaks their deal with us and like puts inserts

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Speaker 6: ads into the unlisted link, which sometimes they do, and

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Speaker 6: you know they're a monopoly and they can do that.

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Speaker 8: But you get it.

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Speaker 6: You get the the show an hour early, and you

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Speaker 6: get you get the entire thing so that you can

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Speaker 6: you know, when you get to a segment where you're

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Speaker 6: like really like you're covering.

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Speaker 8: This, you can just skip right through it and go

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Speaker 8: to the next one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, incredible features there, and then you know, ultimately you

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Speaker 3: get to ask us a m A questions to the hosts.

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Speaker 3: And finally, this one is more of like an invisible hand.

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Speaker 3: But your guys support allows people like Ryan to do

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Speaker 3: crazy journalism where they attack the biggest people in the

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Speaker 3: world and out their dirty laundry, and that requires resources,

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Speaker 3: it requires lawyers on standby.

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Speaker 2: All.

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Speaker 3: That is another big, big support to us. So we'll

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Speaker 3: see y'all were there in the second half right now,