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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cutting the Distance. Today's guests. Grew up

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Speaker 1: and calling Kyle's at a very young age. In high school,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Bud taught herself how to run a camera and

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Speaker 1: begin filming her friends and her own hunts, which grew

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Speaker 1: into profession when she started filming the Western hunts for sheep,

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Speaker 1: elk and mill Gear. This also allowed her a lot

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Speaker 1: for her to test equipment, so along with filming the hunts,

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Speaker 1: she also started to write gear reviews. This has all

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Speaker 1: led to her current position with Meat Eater producing content

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Speaker 1: testing gear and now she is the co host of

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Speaker 1: the gear Talk podcast that she works with Jannis Patellas on.

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Speaker 1: Aside from the media, she also runs an outfitting business

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Speaker 1: in Nebraska on the ramps that she grew up in

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Speaker 1: called Running Water Hunting, where she guides and hunts for

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Speaker 1: deer and Mariam's turkey. Welcome to the show, Jordan's thanks Jason,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. Man. How's everything going? Things are?

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Speaker 1: Things are good, They're warming up, snows melting. I'm in Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: How's everything going? Things are. Things are good. They're warming up,

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Speaker 1: snows melting. Um. I'm in Nebraska currently helping out with

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Speaker 1: and I was a little worried about all the snow

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Speaker 1: been seeing a lot of birds, so I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: get out there. Yeah. So you're talking a lot of

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Speaker 1: snow in Nebraska as well as Idaho. Yeah, and it

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Speaker 1: seen pictures and it looks like people are trying to

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Speaker 1: dig themselves out in a few places in Idaho and Montana.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, turkeys, turkeys hunting is gonna be interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think I think your snow line is going to

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Speaker 1: be a lot lower. But I'm starting to really worry

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Speaker 1: lose too many and Um, you know, just just pictures

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Speaker 1: many deadheads showing up. Not Yeah, it's been been a

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Speaker 1: tough winner on them. Yeah, it's been really difficult. But

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, things are things are good, good good. So,

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Speaker 1: like all of our podcasts, we're gonna start off with

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Speaker 1: a few listener questions I'm gonna throw at you, and

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Speaker 1: if you have any questions of your own, h that's

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Speaker 1: to our listeners, feel free to get hold of us

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Speaker 1: on social media, send us a message, or you can

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Speaker 1: email us at CTD at Phelps Gamecalls dot com and

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Speaker 1: we'll do our best to get your questions aired. So

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Speaker 1: the first question we have is from Alan Rodgers. Um,

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Speaker 1: he was asking what does your layering system typically look

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Speaker 1: like for spring Turkey? So I'll let you you take

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Speaker 1: that one on first and see what you come up with. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So typically here we're looking at like, you know, thirty

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Speaker 1: So I typically just wear like a a mid like

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Speaker 1: to get them on here. So now we're gonna kind

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Speaker 1: kid or whatever. That velcro's in the inside, UM, one

426
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 1: thing that's kind of cool. With the diaphragm U divider deal,

427
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: I can like stick it to the inside. But then

428
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 1: with the velcrow the E four pouch has a velcrow

429
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 1: patch on the outside, and so I can unstick that

430
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 1: and I can stick it to the outside if I'm

431
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 1: if I need to just get to my calls more,

432
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: if I don't want to just keep my thing open

433
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: as I'm running around. Um. But for the most part,

434
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: I keep that stuck in. But yeah, I've got it

435
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: pretty I've got it pretty organized in there. Yeah. Yeah,

436
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: I've they sent me all the Turkey accessories and I

437
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: haven't ran it. Um, But I'm gonna try to do

438
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: a better job of, you know, setting setting it up.

439
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: And I wanted to touch on turkey vest just a

440
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: little bit. As I mentioned earlier, I had I had

441
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 1: all kinds of turkey vests growing up. Um, and I

442
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: got to the point where I had to have seventeen

443
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: pot calls, you know, fourteen strikers. I had two. You know,

444
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 1: it's like you just had to fill up every pocket

445
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: and then when it was time to like where did

446
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: I put my scour pad or my chalk, You're like, oh,

447
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: it's inside the front left pocket, two pockets deep, and

448
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: then the zipper that's inside. You know, it's like you

449
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything. And so I think it just comes

450
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: with a lot of experience and learning, like, hey, you

451
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: probably only need two pot calls, Max, even though I'm

452
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 1: the game call guy, right like I need to have

453
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: calls on, may need to be promoting them. But you're like,

454
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: I can probably get away with maybe a box calf.

455
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 1: I want to use it on this hunt. Is it

456
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: a windy day? Is a big country? If not, maybe

457
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: I'll leave my box call the truck or the or

458
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: the side by side for that day. So I think

459
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: it was just like learning that I didn't need to

460
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 1: have so much stuff on me to turkey hunt. You know,

461
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: I can leave the truck with three different mouth diaphragms,

462
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, a couple different strikers, maybe a crow call,

463
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: maybe a woodpecker call, and my binoculars. And maybe a

464
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: couple extra shotgun shells. To be honest, I actually just

465
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 1: been carrying my three shotgun shells in the gun, and

466
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: it's do you do I really need to bring a

467
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: whole bunch of backups, Like if I do my job,

468
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: keep my shots close, like I shouldn't even need to

469
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: shoot more than once. So it's just like, yeah, I

470
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: don't need to carry a whole extra box of shells anymore.

471
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: And the chest rig is just like you said, it's simple.

472
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: I grab it at the beginning of the year. It's

473
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: got everything I need in it, and I don't have

474
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: to carry this big, cumbersome turkey best. The one thing

475
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's it's a knock on the chest rigg.

476
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: It's just one of the things I don't have a

477
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 1: good solution for. It is like carrying a little bit

478
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: of water. I'm not gonna lie like we're not hiking

479
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: mountains for turkeys. But it's like, all right, you've been

480
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: away from the for three or four hours, like I'm thirsty, Um,

481
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: Like what am I doing for water? And usually that's

482
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: just you know, a little cheap disposable water bottle like

483
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: just shoved in my origin pocket, you know, or something

484
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: that's what it ends up being. Um, so that's the

485
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: one thing I miss on the turkey best having a

486
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: spot for water. And we're going to talk about decoys

487
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: here in a little bit, but you know, my turkey

488
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: best used to also just to hold all of my

489
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: decoys in the back, and now that we're using you know,

490
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: some Dave Smith decoys and whatnot, I don't have the

491
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: need to carry a bunch of foamies around. So it's

492
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: like the vest just really doesn't have a lot of

493
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: utility anymore for me. Yeah. Yeah, And I will say

494
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty like I like turkey hunting. I don't like

495
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: love love love it, so I don't get too crazy.

496
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: I keep like my call is pretty simple. I have

497
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: like a pot call, and I have mouth diaphragm calls,

498
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: even like last year, even guiding people I don't remember.

499
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: I think I just like forgot my actual old turkey diaphragms.

500
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: I called in at least three birds with an Elk

501
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: campre dude. Yeah, and it works like it's super clear,

502
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: it's a super clean there's no rasking this to it,

503
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: but it works. Yeah. I'm always amazed how many people

504
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: we get sending us pictures in what Turkey's killed with

505
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: our ELK calls. It's just they're more comfortable. They don't

506
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: have to do a whole bunch of professional calling. You know,

507
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: it's just it works. It gets a job done. And

508
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, even though you know, my job is to

509
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: make and sell game calls, like it's really ninety percent

510
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: of the equations right place, right time, right mood, right,

511
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: it's it's not necessarily the calling does help and finish

512
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: them off. But you know, very rarely, Um, you know,

513
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: are you is the culling making up the majority of

514
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: of you know, the the am on a word that wrong.

515
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: The calling isn't very big piece of the pie when

516
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: it comes like you're, you know, putting the success together.

517
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: It's it's a small portion. And I recognize that. Um

518
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: so optics, we talked about it a little bit. Carrying binoculars.

519
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: Um do you do you carry like spotters in your truck?

520
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: Like not with you for sure? If anybody carries a

521
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: spotter white turkey hunting and I want to talk to

522
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: you and figure out why. But like in your rig,

523
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: are you using anything else? Do you bring range finders

524
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: to maybe just check your range? Where you're sittting decoys

525
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: up or are kind of what do you look at

526
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: as far as like your optics package while you're tricky hunting. Yeah,

527
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, I'm just carrying those

528
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: like an eight power on my chest and then I

529
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: will carry a spotting scope in my pickup just to

530
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: like really sometimes what I'll do guiding wise is I'll

531
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: go put people in a blind in the evening and

532
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: then they can just kind of hunt themselves, and then

533
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: I'll go and do some scouting try to find birds.

534
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: And I can, dude, I've picked out birds in trees

535
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: with my spotting scope from like long ways away, like

536
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: a mile away, yep. And then it just gives you

537
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: an idea of like, all right, well those birds are

538
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: like kind of over there, like we can probably you know,

539
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: slip in this way or whatever. So that has been

540
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: nice for me. Um, something I'm gonna use a little

541
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: bit more of uh this year. And not like I

542
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: don't want to do super shameless plug for a sig.

543
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: But there have you seen their image stabilizing binoculars. I've

544
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: looked through them. Yeah, I think um at the Western

545
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 1: un somebody had them last year and looked through them

546
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're ten powers, are

547
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: super little and super light, and they're like if you're

548
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: hand holding all the time like you are often with turkeys,

549
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: like that thing is so nice just to steady it up. Cool. Cool. Yeah.

550
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: And one thing I used to also not carry was

551
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: a range finder and my my rifle one. You know,

552
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: I use loophold stuff. So like my twenty eight hundred

553
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: was just too much for turkeys, Like right, it's it's

554
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: not geared up. So I just grabbed my my full draw.

555
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: I think last year I used the four. This year

556
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: I'll have the five. But you know what, just any

557
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: archery range finder that's good. Um, short distant ranging. Um,

558
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: it just helps your setup. You know when you're when

559
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: you're out there, you know, if you're on the edge

560
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: of a field, your depth perception is off a little bit,

561
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: like just making sure you're not shooting too far. You're

562
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: you're setups right, Um, So we typically range stuff and

563
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: when we set up just real quickly, all right, we

564
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: can shoot out to that bush, we can shoot to

565
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: that line. Um, we can shoot ten yards past the decoys,

566
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And it's just just so we

567
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: have some confidence and we're not miss miss you know,

568
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: ranging something by fifteen twenty yards. Um. Yeah, yeah, that's

569
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: it's a great thing to carry with you. Now we're

570
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: going to roll into the next Uh. Question I have

571
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: for you is on ground blinds, which you you know,

572
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: guiding and having you know, customers that you may want

573
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: to limit their their movement or somebody that might not

574
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: be experienced. Um in the woods. Um, I've never hunted

575
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: out of a ground blind, um for turkeys. So what

576
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: do you feel about ground blinds? Um? What's where were

577
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: they useful? And then maybe where do they have their drawbacks? Yeah,

578
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: drawbacks can definitely be just your ability to move is quick. Um,

579
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: you kind of have to. And it seems like when

580
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: I when I go to hunt in a ground blind,

581
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: I bring like the kitchen sink with me because I

582
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: feel like I got to sit there for a long time. Um.

583
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: But then I always if they're not moving or something,

584
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: I always feel like I got to get out and

585
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: and get after them. So there's a patience factor there

586
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: for sure. Um. But I like ground blinds for especially

587
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: if the birds aren't moving, um something that or aren't talking.

588
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: Sorry if if they're not talking, Um, I can set

589
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: that ground blind up in a spot where I've just

590
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: seen turkeys go buy a lot or something like that.

591
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes like you just got to wait them out. And sometimes,

592
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 1: like you know, clients always come in and they want

593
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: that like gobbler running in from a long ways away

594
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: and they want to get the whole experience. But the

595
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: reality is it just doesn't always happen like that, and

596
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: so you got to be able to adjust. So that's

597
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: where I see ground blinds really coming in. I put

598
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: them in places where I just know that turkey's like

599
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: to be or pass through, So if we can't get

600
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: them talking, that's always a good place to put somebody,

601
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: like in the evenings or the afternoons or whatever. But yeah,

602
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: it's just kinda they're nice because you can move around,

603
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: You can move around, kind of have more stuff with you,

604
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: like if you think that you're gonna especially I think

605
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: like on a really small chunk of property where you

606
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: can't really you don't really just want to walk through

607
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: it and blow it out. Just spending a lot of

608
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: time in a ground blind seems to be like just

609
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: kind of how the East, you know, more Eastern type

610
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: hunting is um just due to parcel size. So, um,

611
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: they can be really nice, but I definitely see where

612
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: people get impatient and they just don't want to sit there. Yeah,

613
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: and then um continue on my uh me not knowing

614
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: anything about ground blinds, you can see them for you know,

615
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: you see him out there one hundred twenty ninety nine

616
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: and then you can see ground blinds at five hundred dollars.

617
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: Are you of the opinion that you get what you're

618
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: paid for on ground blinds? I know that, like the

619
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: space inside may be different, like the shooting windows may

620
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: be laid out different. Um even I mean, I'll even

621
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: give you a chance, like is there a brand that

622
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: you like to use or is it more of those

623
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: just a ground blinds of ground blind you. So I've

624
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: gone back and forth on this a lot. Um. I

625
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: think if you're in a spot where it's really windy

626
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: and you're dealing with a lot of winds, um, you're

627
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna want a more expensive one. Just it seems like

628
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: the poles or b fere where the joints like come

629
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: in usually they out those are just better, um, because

630
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: the wind just destroys them. That's that's a huge problem

631
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: we have here. Like I have muzzloader. Deer hunters in

632
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: them a lot, and the winds just kill them. Um, Honestly,

633
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: I've I've gone to a I've bought a ton of

634
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: those things, and uh, the double bowls just seem to

635
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: like be holding strong and it's it's Um they're expensive, man,

636
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: They're like four hundred bucks. Um. But they've got some

637
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: They've got some really cool ones. Now. I bought one

638
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: just this last year for deer hunters that it's like

639
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: the sea through but you can't see into it, like

640
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: the whole the whole wall in front of you or

641
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: the whole two walls in front of you. You You can

642
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: completely see through them, um, but they are not supposed

643
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: to be able to see in. So like that's super

644
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: cool too. It's just kind of fun to sit in

645
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: it because you're not just looking through a tiny little

646
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 1: window all the time. That's awesome. I hunted um a

647
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: little bit out of them. Um. They were elevated ground blinds,

648
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: but the ones in Kansas they had more of like

649
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: a metal structure like and then they were screwed down

650
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: to like a palette or like a platform. But yeah,

651
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: those ones are like frustrating because you would have deer

652
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: running from your right and you could hear them and

653
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: then they'd pop in front of you. It's like, man,

654
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: I wish I could see like I it almost like,

655
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it took away from the experience,

656
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 1: but it did take away from the experience because I

657
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: was limited. I can only see, you know, ninety degrees

658
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: out in front of me, nothing to my right. But

659
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 1: yet Yeah, so it would be cool to have like

660
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: that double bull system you're talking about where you can

661
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: actually see through and see everything versus out out you know,

662
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: strategic windows that you have opened. So yeah, yeah, pretty cool.

663
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: One one quick thing Baronet. There's a company called Baronet

664
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: that makes a blind called an OX five and instead

665
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: of four you know, usually you usually it's a five

666
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: hub blind, so you have four sides and then your top.

667
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: This one's actually a six, so you have one more

668
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: U The thing is huge. Um so, like people with kids,

669
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: like multiple kids, and like they want to sit in

670
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: and have a lot of room to like, you know,

671
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: have the kids laid down and stuff like that. OXX

672
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: five is great and I think it's like three hundred

673
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: bucks or something like that. The thanks for educating me

674
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: a little bit on ground blinds. Now we're gonna jump

675
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: into boots for turkey. Um. You know, as I got started,

676
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: it was always just took whatever boots I was MAO

677
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,479
Speaker 1: hunting Western big game in um and and those those

678
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: kind of got the nod for for turkey hunting. But

679
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, the more I've learned, the more I've you know,

680
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: got the chance to try different boots. Um, I'm turning

681
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: into more of a like a lacrosse like arrowhead type guy. Um.

682
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: It seems like every morning the grass is wet, um,

683
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: you know when during spring turkey, regardless of whether it's

684
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: a clear night or not. What's your boot system, um

685
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: for for turkey hunting? And what do you what do

686
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: you go with? Yeah, so here we're not really dealing

687
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: with like swampy type stuff. In the spring, the ground

688
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: like hardens up pretty quick. So I'm kind of the

689
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: same honestly, just like even a flexible pair of boots,

690
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: like not even really a mountain boot, you know, just

691
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: like one that's pretty quiet when you're walking, just like

692
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: a comfortable, nice boot. But if I'm using my like

693
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: rubber boots and stuff, a lot of times it's really

694
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: nice with rubber boots because they're warmer in the morning

695
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: and stuff. They're just warmer, and if you do have

696
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: to like do a crieker river crossing or something like that,

697
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: they're just easier to use that with. But I have

698
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: always been like, even for all this ranch stuff, I've

699
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: always been a muck boot person, Like that's just always

700
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: what I've bought, Like that always seemed to be the

701
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: gold standard to me was muck boots. And I recently,

702
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago, I tried apparel across

703
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: that were I don't remember what they were called, but

704
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: they were just like a little bulky like they were

705
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: pretty much the same as muck I was like, yeah, okay,

706
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of one and the same. Well, this last

707
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: year I got the Arrowhead model from Lacrosse. Dude, it's

708
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: like a different situation, Like it's I got the seven

709
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: millimeter ones. They make a lighter one too, but it's

710
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: supposed to be like negative forty to forty degrees is

711
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: what those things are supposed to be good for, like

712
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: cold weatherwise, And they're so much more comfortable once you

713
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: put them on. It's like a running shoe. Yeah, And

714
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: that's that was the reason I always hated rubber boots.

715
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: You know, growing up, we just probably had the cheap

716
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: ones where if you walk more than you know, out

717
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: to your mailbox and back, you had blisters everywhere and

718
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: they were just uncomfortable from your your your heel slipping. Um.

719
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: I got those arrowhead sports, you know, the same seven

720
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: millimeter and it's like I could probably you know, hike

721
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: all day in them and not have any issues. I

722
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: don't know about going up a mountain for too long,

723
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: but that was always the reason I would just go

724
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: to go to my my mountain boots. Um. And so yeah,

725
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: if if I know I'm not climbing mountains, if I'm

726
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: not gonna you know, put on five or six miles

727
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: on in a morning or a day turkey hunting, I'm

728
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: always gonna go for those, um, you know those knee

729
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: high lacrosse boots at this point, you know those type

730
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: of boots. Um. Now we were talking a little bit before. Now,

731
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: if I'm showing up in my spot northeast Washington, where

732
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: it's public ground, it's super rugged. Your day near you know,

733
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: mule deer or sheep hunting for turkeys, Um, I'm still

734
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: gonna lace up my my mountain boots. Because it's it's

735
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: just kind of matching the terrain you're in. But um, yeah,

736
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: if you haven't tried, you know, like like say, I'm

737
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: not not trying to give any specific brand or company

738
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: a plug, but those Lacrosse arrowheads, Um, they're they're a

739
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: legit boot that you can cover some ground in and

740
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: they're super comfortable. Um, it's it's nice, Like you say,

741
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: they're warmer, I know my feet aren't gonna get wet, um,

742
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: and they just they're they're a good boot and you

743
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: know we're gonna get into ticks here in a little bit.

744
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: The other thing is that's nice, um, is that they're

745
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: they're a tall boot. You know, they cover more of

746
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: your they they give kind of and if you tuck

747
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: your your pants in, it gives like access for ticks

748
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: is a very difficult path. Yeah that's a really good

749
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: point man. Um Yeah, those those boots. I I go

750
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: through this thing, like just to mention it real quick.

751
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: Every time I put them on, I'm like, are these

752
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: lighter than the other ones? And I'll weigh them and

753
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: they weighed pretty much the same, but just the way

754
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: that they fit, they just seem like nimble and lighter.

755
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: I can't explain it, but I'm just like I've been

756
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: blown away the last couple of weeks season them. Yeah, no,

757
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: they're legit. So if you you're going out trick hunting, UM,

758
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: don't don't um discredit rubber boots. Um that they they've

759
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: got their place for sure. So uh, ticks one of

760
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: the things that used to just drive me nuts. They

761
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: still drive me nuts, but we've kind of got them

762
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: under wrap. Um, every every year I came back from Kansas,

763
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: I've been bit or had ticks some kind of stuck

764
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: in me. So yeah, it's it's it bothers me. My

765
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: little funny story. I cannot get my boy to youth

766
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: turkey hunt. And it's not just a it's not just

767
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: he's scared of ticks. It's like a serious phobia. Like

768
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: if my dog comes in the house with a tick,

769
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: like my kids like running through glass doors to get

770
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: out the other side of the house. Like it's it's legit. So, um,

771
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: ticks and what do we what do we do to

772
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: fix it? And I'll let you go. And now I've

773
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: got kind of a gross little story about um what

774
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: what what happened to me last year in Kansas? So

775
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: what do you go to prevent ticks. Um, there's I

776
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: think there's like the chemical side, and then there's what

777
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: I would consider like housekeeping before you sit down, before

778
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: you do this or that, like you can prevent a

779
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: lot of this from happening. Yeah. I we don't have

780
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: a huge tick problem here, like they're definitely around. Um,

781
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: but you know the story you're gonna tell. I don't

782
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: think we have anything. I've never seen anything quiet like

783
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: that here. Um. But I've got the just the basic

784
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: like the off or the sawyer stuff in the house

785
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: where it's just like a ticker or repellent, just spray

786
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: it on the outside of your clothes. Um. I've done

787
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: that a little bit. It seems like if I haven't

788
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: really seen any ticks, I just kind of forget to

789
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: do it, and then I don't do it. Um. I

790
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: do just when I get home, though, I try to

791
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: like look through all my clothes and just do like

792
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: a body check and make sure that there's none stuck

793
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: to me. Um. But I'm really interested to hear what

794
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: you guys say about ticks. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, chemical wise,

795
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: like we use sawyer or repel like aerosol. Um. I

796
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: think I think it's mixed like a half percent permethrin. UM.

797
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: I know you can get higher concentrations off of like

798
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: Amazon and stuff. I'm I am in no way doning

799
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: like the safety of that here on the podcast, but

800
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: there are ways to get it in like higher concentration.

801
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, we we lay out all of our gear. Um,

802
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: when we get to where we're going, we spray it down.

803
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: I think it lasts like two weeks and it makes

804
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: it through washings and Whatnotum, So that's really helped. I

805
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: would I got. I got like some. I sprayed my

806
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: gaiter last year because I was always worried like if

807
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: something landed on my shoulder it came off the tree.

808
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend like necessarily spray it on your gaiter

809
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: and breathing through it for long periods of time. But yeah,

810
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: the chemical treatment does great. But yeah, last year in Kansas,

811
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: our buddy Chris Parrish was the last one with a tag,

812
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: and me and Dirk set up maybe thirty yards behind

813
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: him into the woods to help do some just some

814
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: supplemental calling occasionally and set up in my seat kind

815
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: of set up in a bunch of oak leaves, and

816
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: I could see that I always wear my gaiters as

817
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: well as another if I'm wearing leather boots or I'm

818
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: not wearing my rubber boots, like I still I just

819
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: want those ticks to have like a crazy path to

820
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: get on me, you know, if possible. We're sitting there

821
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: and I start to see some ticks like crawling up

822
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: my leg. Like visually, I'm like, this is interesting. But

823
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: you could watch them get to like your knee, and

824
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: they get kind of almost what I would consider drunk.

825
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: They were like they would start walking crooked, and then

826
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: they'd walk to the side of your pant and like

827
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: literally just fall to the ground like permeteran was killing

828
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: them by time they got to my knee, and then

829
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: they were I must have sat in a nest, a

830
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: nymph nest or a midge nest. Like they were mostly babies,

831
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: but I had a couple of big ones. And then

832
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I realized that I was sitting in a lone star

833
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: tick nest, which is it for those that don't know,

834
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: those are the ones that carry the alpha gal syndrome.

835
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: Were when they bite you. When they bite you, you

836
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: could no longer eat red meat. So now I no

837
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: longer cared if Chris Parrish ever killed a turkey. I

838
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: was getting up and moving once I put it all together.

839
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, and just it's not my place to tell

840
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: everybody about that. But my research that I did is

841
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: you got about a three percent chance if a lone

842
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: star tick bites you, that you're gonna get that alpha gal.

843
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's not worth it. So I picked

844
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: up my seat. You know some things I could have

845
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: did there better, like cleaned out the area when I

846
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: first sat down, you know, get rid of all of

847
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: those oak leaves, and gave myself, you know, maybe a

848
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: six by six area to sit down, which maybe would

849
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: have helped. But yeah, that permeteran I said one hundred

850
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: ticks earlier. I bet you I probably had, realistically fifty

851
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: to sixty climb up my leg and none of them

852
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: made it past my knee. So the permethrin works. Um,

853
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: it works well. Like I said, I was always worried

854
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: about something coming into my neck area, so I sprayed

855
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: my gator down, which is always kind of tucked in there,

856
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: and I didn't feel real good after a couple of days.

857
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was that or maybe

858
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: I was sick, but I'm definitely not a medical doctor,

859
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: but permetern works. UM. Everything else is like just extra

860
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: precautions like tucking you know, a shirt in into your

861
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: pants and cinching your belt up pretty tight. Like we

862
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: talked earlier rubber boots put your pants inside so they

863
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: didn't have to you know a long way around. UM,

864
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: I've even went to you know, putting like elastic velcro

865
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: straps like around my wrist just to keep things really tight.

866
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: Just just extra precautions, not necessarily gear related, but just

867
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: prevent any of that stuff from happening. So we talked

868
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier about vest versus chest riggs. We

869
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: kind of talked about where vests maybe we're a little

870
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: bit better carrying decoys are you? Are you bringing decoys

871
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: in every turkey hunting situation or there's certain setups we're

872
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: going to bring them. And then what what decoys do

873
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: you tend to use? You know, for the most part

874
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: we're especially during shotgun season, I'm just like not using one.

875
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: We'll try to do that. We'll just try to not

876
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: use one. UM just helps you like move setups quicker.

877
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: And then sometimes I mean, I don't know, maybe if

878
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: it's just a way that I set set them up,

879
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: but sometimes many they might see a decoy and then

880
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: just skirt you like they don't won't commit to it

881
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: for some reason. Um, so that deal. But I just

882
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: have a DSD hen that I use most of the time. Um,

883
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: I've got some other cheaper one, uh that are like

884
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: a Jake you could put a fan on it. Um.

885
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, I don't like super Nerd out

886
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: about all the different setups and all that stuff. I've

887
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: got the hen that those ones from DSD like they

888
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: look so realistic, like pretty realistic looking hen like finding

889
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: a decoy. That's pretty much what I'm using. Yeah, I've

890
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: been able. I've got a buddy that, um, Eric Broughton

891
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: who's on the podcast last week. He's got a couple

892
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: of like real life stuffer hens um we're in. I've

893
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: seen but just like you, I've seen them not working

894
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: situations where I almost wonder if we didn't have any

895
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: decoy out, if we would, it would have worked better.

896
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: You always hear about people like with a Jake and

897
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: a breeding Hin setup, and I just feel like at

898
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: times they they have worked, you know, maybe even like

899
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: detrimental to the situation. But then like last year in Kansas,

900
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: we were on a field edge. We we kind of

901
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: crawled out there. We knew there were turkeys on the

902
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: other end, set up our decoys and that was the

903
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: only reason. You know, calling worked a little bit, but

904
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: it was a visual that got those birds all the

905
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: way to us. So I think they definitely have their place.

906
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: And and like you, um, I've got a Dave Smith

907
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: deco one of the hands and then a jake and

908
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, we can put the fan on and there's

909
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: just times where we'll use it in times where we don't.

910
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: We usually always carry them around with us for the

911
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: most part, but um, you know when we're running and

912
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: gunn and like like I said, I'm already carrying a

913
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: chair and then now you've got like the hard decoy

914
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: bags over your shoulders, like you can make it happen.

915
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I'm I guess I'm I'm not bias

916
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: either way. Like we usually carry them, we sometimes use them,

917
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't. I think they can be a great asset,

918
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: especially where um, if the birds aren't real callable and

919
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: you think that that visuals that's gonna work, like, well,

920
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: we definitely throw them out there nice. So we're gonna

921
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: talk about weapons in the in the gear that we

922
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: ultimately use to kill the turkey. You're gonna touch on archery,

923
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go over just uh, real quick

924
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: kind of what I use as far as my setup

925
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: and you know, as far as like patterning and stuff

926
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: like that. But you're you're an archery turkey hunter. What

927
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: do you use? Are using like special broadheads? Are you

928
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: lightning your setup? Kind of give us, give us the

929
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: lowdown on an archery setup specifically for turkey. Yeah. The

930
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 1: only thing that I change with turkeys is I will

931
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: put an expandable broadhead on it. Um just seems to

932
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, just it seemed to work a little

933
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: bit better for me for turkeys. UM, so it opens

934
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: them up pretty good. I have the Grim Reaper. They

935
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: have a white Tail Hybrid. It's like a two I

936
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: think it's a two and a half inch cutting diameter. UM.

937
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: That has been a really nice one for me. And

938
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: they're honestly, they're turkeys are small and they're easy to

939
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: miss with archery equipment, so UM, I tend to not

940
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: want a super expensive broadhead up there. So those ones,

941
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, they're your basic like forty bucks a pack

942
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: or whatever for three of them. Um, So I snag though,

943
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: that's pretty much all I change. Um, I don't do

944
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: like a big change difference in my archery set up

945
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: from turkeys to like uh target shooting, you know, like

946
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: three D season to then going into you know, elk season.

947
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't really change anything up like that. But the

948
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: broadhead is something I do change. Gotcha. So you're just

949
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: using more of what we consider like a big game expandable.

950
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: You're not going to like the you know whatever, the

951
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 1: turkey guillotines or like these big four inch cutting diam

952
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: You're you're just sticking with something that's more accurate and

953
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: smaller expandable. Yeah. Yeah, because honestly, sometimes man like especially

954
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: if we're doing a running gun archery setup, that's like

955
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: way different, more difficult. You're shooting these things at forty

956
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: yards to um, they're not you know three yards from

957
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: the from the blind, where I think those guillotines could

958
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: really be uh, where they're more like it's likely to

959
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: actually work. Um ye. So yeah, it that expandable seems

960
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: to work good for me, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah. And then

961
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: I've I've always felt like turkeys were designed to be

962
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: shot with a shotgun. So I just I just haven't

963
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: picked my bow up and taking them yet. But I

964
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: really like having like a semi automatic shotgunning. I hunted

965
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: with a pump forever when UM I first got going,

966
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: it's what I could afford. I really liked recoil management. UM.

967
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: Some of these turkey loads UM really kind of thump you,

968
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: UM when you go to pull the trigger. It's not

969
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: so much while you're hunting, it's it's more of the

970
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: patterning and whatnot. But I'm using the weather be currently

971
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: great gun. UM. I really I kind of got away

972
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: from like changing AMMO and tinkering with my setup for

973
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: a long time because my old gun shot so well.

974
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: When I got a new gun, I'm like, oh, now

975
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: we can get a new choke, we can get new ammo.

976
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: UM did a bunch of research found that Indian Creek

977
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: seemed to have a great following and like a great UM.

978
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: You know, they were shooting great patterns and they were

979
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: really kind of designing for TSS. I know a lot

980
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: of the guys within the Meater crew were using Carlton

981
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: chokes with great success. So I screwed into Indian Creek

982
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: and then I went to TSS ended up. You know,

983
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: we used to have like a meat eater had like

984
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: a five seven eight mix or something, and I ended

985
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: up just going with a peer number nine. I wanted

986
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: more babies, and I didn't have any intention of shooting

987
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: the past fifty yards and TSS nine is fully capable

988
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: out to fifty And so that combination of being able

989
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: to drop down to a three inch magnum instead of

990
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: a three and a half inch which I was shooting

991
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: out of my old pump gun, that choke and that pattern,

992
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: like it is an incredible I've never hunted with the

993
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: red dot and was able to kind of you know,

994
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: throw that on, and it's just I almost feel like

995
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: it's cheating a little bit, like the gun is just automatic,

996
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: you know. And I've got the problem of a of

997
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: a twenty yard bird now of me missing if I

998
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: don't do everything right. So that's the one downside. Yeah, Yeah,

999
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: I we're shooting like a I don't know, a six

1000
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: inch circle. It seems like at about twenty, you know,

1001
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: with just a few a few errant babies. But yeah,

1002
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of way. I'm not gonna tell you

1003
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: how to hunt but I would say, you know, get

1004
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: comfortable with what turkeys can pick up and seeing like

1005
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: maybe you know your first bird or two with a shotgun,

1006
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: and then once you've kind of got that down and

1007
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: what you can get away with like I'm one of

1008
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: these days, I just need to pick up my bow.

1009
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: But and then archery hunting, like you had said earlier,

1010
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: having success archery hunting for turkeys outside of a blind

1011
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: is like one of those ultimate, you know, ultimate accomplishments

1012
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: because they've got such good eyesight and getting your bow

1013
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: drawn is incredibly tough. Yeah, it seems like the best

1014
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: time to do it is coming right up when archery

1015
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: season is starting just here in about a week. The

1016
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: twenty fifth, I think is when we open here, they're

1017
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: just all in big groups. So then you got a

1018
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: ton of hands that are like looking around. So yeah,

1019
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: we uh we locked out with that. I just gotten

1020
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: in a pissing match with the hen and got her

1021
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: to bring the whole crew in. Bye. And then did

1022
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: they did they pick you up when you drew or

1023
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: did were you completely like yep? Yeah, they ended up

1024
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm not joking, man. There were at least twelve hens

1025
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: in that flock, and they were like they were feet

1026
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: away from us, just pecking at the ground. I don't

1027
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: understand how they didn't see us, because you know, I

1028
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: was on my Leah was sitting down like kind of

1029
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: on her knees but on her butt, and I was

1030
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: just standing up on my knees beside her with a

1031
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: camera and I was almost laughing because they were so close.

1032
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: I was like, how is this even happening? But they

1033
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: ended up, Yeah, they came in. She ended up shooting

1034
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: him at probably fifteen yards maybe just strutted right by us.

1035
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: We kind of waited until they all got by us

1036
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: before she drew. But yeah, they picked us up when

1037
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: we drew, that's for sure. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool.

1038
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: So Um and then last thing with gear, which um

1039
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a shameless plug for sure, is calls. Right.

1040
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: You know, everybody when you think of spring turkey hunting,

1041
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: everybody's got calls in their hand. You know. The whole

1042
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: idea is to interact, and um, you know we we

1043
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: bring we've got our al calls, we've got our crow

1044
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: calls for locators, we've got our meat eater x belps

1045
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: turkey lineup. Um. One thing I just wanted to highlight here,

1046
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: which I feel is worth mentioning is if you haven't

1047
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: checked out like our small batch UM pot calls or

1048
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: our small batch m al hooters. We joined up with

1049
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: James Harrison and Steve Morgans during this year. UM. I

1050
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: wanted to just build the absolute best sounding, UM, most

1051
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: durable UH Turkey calls we could, and so Steve Morganster

1052
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: knocked it out of the park. UM gave us some recommendations,

1053
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: really tweaked the specs on on some pot calls for us.

1054
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: So we have an aluminum inside an osage, but we

1055
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: went with a lot thicker aluminum than most people use

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00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: on their calls UM, and that aluminum is just a

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00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: smoking call. And then we built a green slate UM

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00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: inside of a teak pot and teak is just one

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00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: of those woods that's you know, it's a reason why

1060
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: it's used in marine applications all the time. It's you know,

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00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: extremely durable, decay resistant, rot resistant UM. And then green

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00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: slate is is an amazing UM you know surface to

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00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: be used. And then UM Steve assembled all of those,

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00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: tested them all UM and and those those pot calls,

1065
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: in my opinion, are as good as it gets um,

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00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: and then we joined up with James Harrison to design

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00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: those Alhooters, which I think at the at the time

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00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: this uh podcast airs, we're going to be sold out

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00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: and we hope to have a restock here. But those

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Speaker 1: al calls are just at a different level. Um, they

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00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: they're very very good. Um. So yeah, that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the big change, uh, you know, or the additions this year,

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00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: um in the phelps Turkey lineup, and then um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you need to get your calls, um, they are

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Speaker 1: in stock and Turkey season getting close. So in closing,

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Speaker 1: what does one tip you feel would give Turkey hunters

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00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: better odds at finding success this year? Uh? You know,

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00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: from a pure filling your tag success standpoint, don't be

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00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: afraid to switch things up kind of like I was

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00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: talking about if if they're not talking for some reason

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00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: or another, like it just you might not be able

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00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: to change that. So I think a combination I don't

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00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: be afraid to change things up and patience. Yeah, that

1084
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: can both really help. Yeah, and that's a great tip.

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00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: Like as much as especially me going out there, it's

1086
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: to use the calls. But one time we just hit

1087
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: it wrong in Kansas where we could see birds, and

1088
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: we were hitting in with every locator we had. They

1089
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: had no intention of ever making a sound. Well, it's

1090
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: like the hens were feeding down to us, and it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to shooting one when it walks by us, right,

1092
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: And so it's just like changing your strategy. Like we

1093
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: could have probably sat there and called and we would

1094
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: have scared them off, or those hands would have changed

1095
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: their pattern. But it's like all right, well, just you

1096
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: almost have to play with what the rules that you're given,

1097
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: right or the playing field that you're given, Like, this

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00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 1: is what they're going to give us. We've only got

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00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: so much time in so many days. Um, I'm not

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00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: opposed to shooting when when it walks by. So um,

1101
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: it's just outsmarting them. But yeah, be patient, um, and

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00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: and change your strategy. Don't just go in with you know,

1103
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: one way's got to work. Yep, Yeah, absolutely. I think

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00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: that's where, like you know, your ground blind can come in.

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00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: Just being able to chill there and be a little

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00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: bit more comfortable and move around a little bit more

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00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: while you're being patient can help um a little bit.

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00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: But you know, then there's there's certainly people that just

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00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: want to shoot, they want to have that interaction and

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00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: they're just going to move around until they find the interaction.

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00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean really no different to Helk you know. Um

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00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: so yeah, I guess it kind of depends what you want.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Well we really appreciate you having or

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Speaker 1: having you on the show today, Jordan. How can people

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Speaker 1: find out more about you, you know, through social media

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00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: or you know gear Talk podcast or where they can

1117
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: they can find you? Yeah, so Instagram, it's just at

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Speaker 1: Jordan dot bud on Instagram. And then I've got a

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel as well. I've been kicking out some stuff

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Speaker 1: that we've been filming on our fall hunts. So that's

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00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: just Jordan budd On on YouTube. And yeah, the gear

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00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: Talk podcast, I find it wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: All right, perfect, Thanks for coming on. Good luck out

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00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: there in Nebraska this year, and we'll we'll touch base

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Speaker 1: with you here middle of the season and see how

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Speaker 1: you're doing. Yeah, I appreciate you. Jason Things