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Speaker 1: of research yourself, depending on the subject matter and your needs. Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons. Now know that

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Speaker 1: our loved ones have survived physical death, and so will we.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Hello, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: He is not afraid of them, seem like they are

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Speaker 1: there to help him feel less alone. I asked if

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Speaker 1: there's more Sandra coming right out. At paranormal date dot com,

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Speaker 1: you meet the most fantastic people. Hi, I'm Tom. Hi,

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Speaker 1: nice to meet you, Tom, I gotta go. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: that's a great question. Um so my family there's a

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Speaker 1: line of artists. Um. And I've always been given crans

429
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Speaker 1: at the table as a child and coloring books, but

430
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Speaker 1: maybe not more than than the rest of us. Right. UM.

431
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: I would doodle in class because I seem to listen

432
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Speaker 1: better that way. UM. I draw pictures of my professors

433
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: or teachers to their chagrin. Sometimes it was great, and

434
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: sometimes they didn't think it reflected them that portrait. But um, so,

435
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Speaker 1: I've always had sort of this knack for kind of

436
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: putting the pieces of faces and features together, but I've

437
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: never really employed it. It was just sort of this

438
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: tool and my and my arsenal that I never that

439
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: I never dipped into. And then when I began to

440
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: work more closely with spirit, um it's an interesting, um

441
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: interesting how this happened. I'd hear I get features. I

442
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: would see the definitions and faces while I slept, or

443
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: when I was doing a reading, you know, I would

444
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: hear brown hair, or I would know that I feel

445
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: the brown hair. Um. So I started to have an

446
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: interest in it and really started to develop that piece

447
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: of of my mediumship. At the same time, I was

448
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: also taking photographs with a camera that somebody just gave me.

449
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,239
Speaker 1: It was like they handed it down and said they

450
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: weren't needing it anymore. So I was using this camera

451
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: and I noticed that it would take orb pictures. Um

452
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: there would always be orbs in the pictures, and thought, well,

453
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Speaker 1: this is fantastic. I wonder where this came from. I

454
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: kept taking pictures and I was enlarging the energy of

455
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: the orbs, and I was seeing faces in the orbs

456
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: and I would describe them to people and sometimes it

457
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: hit with a lot of success, and other times they

458
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: would say, well, I don't know exactly who you're describing,

459
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: And I said, can't you see it? Can't you see it?

460
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: You know? And they look at it and they go,

461
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: I can kind of see that, and I said, Okay,

462
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: forget it. I'm gonna draw this, Chris, I can't wait

463
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Speaker 1: to hear more. So we're going to take a quick

464
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Speaker 1: break and when we get back, we'll find out more

465
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Speaker 1: about you doing illustrations of people in this spirit world.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain

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Speaker 1: and we are with Chris Fitting, the Spirit illustrator. Chris,

501
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: you were just talking about getting orbs in your pictures

502
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: and what would you do with them? And so what

503
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: I would do is I would take them and put

504
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: them on my computer and enlarge them, and then I

505
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: would start working from the imagery of the orb uh

506
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: and where I saw the face and I would draw

507
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: those and I just I got into the cycle where

508
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: I was doing hundreds of these things. I'm bringing the

509
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: through and it really took my artistic development to another

510
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: level with the features of portraits, and that just continued

511
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Speaker 1: to develop it. And from there I realized that there

512
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Speaker 1: was energy and all pictures, regardless of the orbs were

513
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: there or not, you could go in. Orbs are like

514
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: street signs in these pictures um to me. They say

515
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: look near this energy, and you can look around it

516
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: and you can see the distortions and the pixels and

517
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: how the color changes, and if you look carefully at it,

518
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like you can start to pull the

519
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: face out of it and you can go there it is. Um.

520
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: So there's so much more in all of these photographs

521
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: that were that we're looking at and dealing with. And

522
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Speaker 1: and I really began to open that up and look

523
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: into the energy of of these and I did it

524
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Speaker 1: to the point, um, And I'll tell you this. I

525
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Speaker 1: did to the point where I began taking pictures of

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Speaker 1: people and I'd say, bring in your loved ones, let's

527
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: let you know, think about them, ask them to come in.

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Speaker 1: And so I have a picture where I had two

529
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: mediums that asked to bring in their loved ones. And

530
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: when I looked at the energy on the wall behind them,

531
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: I said, now I have to remember the name. I said.

532
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: I said to this this, this woman that I knew,

533
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: I said, who's Francis? Because I saw in handwriting um

534
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: in cursive, I saw the word Francis. And she says, well,

535
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: that's she says, that's my grandmother's past. And I said,

536
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: and I said, do you have a Paul. I see

537
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: the word Paul here too, and I showed her. She's yeah,

538
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: I see this, Chris, and I thought, wow, that's fantastic.

539
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: So so we got to a point where not only

540
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: were as I seeing faces that were a little bit

541
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: harder to pull out of the energy, um, but I

542
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: began to get something that was that was a little

543
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: bit easier to see, which was cursive. Now this has

544
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: happened to me on a handful of occasions, and I

545
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: still have the picture today. Um, but it's it's one

546
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: of those things where you scratch your head because how

547
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: and why, and you know, I'm just grateful that. I'm

548
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: grateful that it happened, because it's it's a big piece

549
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: of of why I continued to develop the way I

550
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: did and had the curiosities I did. Yeah, it's a

551
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: very exciting path you're on. I just think of one

552
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: time in my life I was really researching electronic voice

553
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: phenomena and yeah, voices were coming through that I was

554
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: recording rain drops and all of a sudden, I you're

555
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: good night, Sandra. You know, it's like WHA. And so

556
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: I think when our loved ones are they're probably practicing

557
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: and the hereafter trying to figure out this technology. But

558
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: if they can rearrange sound molecules to put voices on recording,

559
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: why can't they take the pixels of a photograph and

560
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: add somebody's name and cursive. I don't know how it works,

561
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 1: but I'm guessing yeah, I agree, and I you know,

562
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: it's funny. And I'll tell you something that was funny

563
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: about the handwriting. Um, you know how everybody has a

564
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: little bit different signature or their handwriting is unique. Well,

565
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: the way that these words, the cursive that was used

566
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: in these pictures reminded me of my grandmother's handwriting, who

567
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: had passed, who's visited me and works with me on

568
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: the other side. And I thought, this is fantastic, And

569
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a correlation, because I just thought

570
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: with the moment, I thought, I thought, that really looks

571
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: like her handwriting. So, you know, these people are these

572
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: people that are guiding us in and helping us on

573
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: the other side. I think they're eager to be able

574
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Speaker 1: to help us continue to develop as part of their development,

575
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: and and it may just be that they're you know,

576
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: they're contributing and adding to to our plans as we're

577
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: working through this together. So I thought that was nice

578
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: it's great. I'm just picturing your grandmother actually picking, picturing

579
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: mine getting involved. But this is a new way that

580
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: I've not heard of before for people getting through. So

581
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: it just helps me to think, geez, what else is possible?

582
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, just who knows. I'm excited about

583
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: the future because so many more things are happening and

584
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: you're discovered. This is great. I want to ask you

585
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: just quick about orbs. A lot of people think orbs

586
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: are dust. Did you go through that phase in the

587
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: beginning that is this water? Is this? You know? Moisture?

588
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: Is this real? So let me tell you how I

589
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: feel about this, and let me tell and let me

590
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: also say first that this is my opinion, and I

591
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: respect that everybody has their own opinions and my ideas

592
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: and ways or not the right way. Um, they may

593
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: be the right for me, and if the right for others.

594
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that because I know that I know

595
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. There can be some controversy. And

596
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: when I first started taking pictures of orbs, it was amazing,

597
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: They're all over. Here's my deal. If there is orbs

598
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: in the picture, I want to see intelligence. I want

599
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: people to be able to hold their hand out and

600
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: have the ORB lend in their hand in the picture.

601
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: I want you to be able to talk to the

602
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: ORB with intelligence and say I want to I want

603
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: to see forms of intelligence from them. So if this

604
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: is my you know father, then I want you on

605
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: the I want you showing up on my left side

606
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: up high, and I want you to be blue or

607
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: I want you to move this direction. There needs to

608
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: be interaction because spirit is smart um and the next

609
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: step of where we're going with with you know these

610
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: connections is well since the next step it it's to

611
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: show that intelligence through their interactions. When you can get

612
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: intelligent interaction when you're working with spirit, it response and

613
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: an intelligent way because they are, then you've got a

614
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: true connection. Are all orbs really spirit? Now? Now I

615
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: think there's some dust and I think that there is

616
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: rain drops. Now is there a synchronicity at play? Because

617
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: the ORB is in a particular part of the picture,

618
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: like like a sign saying look over here and the

619
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: energy around me, and then if you in urged the energy,

620
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: you'll see there's color fluctuations near it. Now, has there

621
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: been a synchronicity that's aligned to draw your attention to

622
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: a particular part of that photograph, so you can begin

623
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: to understand that there's something happening there. Ah, Now we

624
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: might have something. Maybe there's an intelligence where they're directing

625
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: your awareness to particular to a particular place. So there's

626
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: that that's going on. Now there's also with orbs. I've

627
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: actually got pictures of I have a picture of something.

628
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: To me, when I look at it, I go, that's

629
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: a face, and other people look at and go, yeah,

630
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: that's a face. I've actually got pictures of a profile

631
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: clearly in the ORB, and it's hard to dismiss it's

632
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: you know, is it could have been chance that things

633
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: just lined up the way they did and it just

634
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: happens to look like a face, or there's some other explanation.

635
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: Well maybe, I mean, I'm always open to all explanations,

636
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: but there are very definitely some that five percent of

637
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: the time where you look at something and you go, wow,

638
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: that's pretty amazing. Um. And then there's also that if

639
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: you're not getting that the other nine of the time

640
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: or a portion of that, you may have to say,

641
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: it's just directing our awareness to a portion of the picture.

642
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: And I would and I would tell people enlarge it,

643
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: look at the pixels, look at the energy around it.

644
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: In the fabric of the energy, there's imagery and you

645
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: can pull that out. That's amazing. So so maybe that's

646
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: what they're trying to get through to us when they're

647
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: communicating with with the synchronicities of that dust particle. Where

648
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: it landed, where they gently nudged it. Who knows. So

649
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: those those are my ideas about about that question. I agree.

650
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: I've done my own photography that I know as a

651
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: dust But I want to ask you when you were

652
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: blowing up these orbs and drawing pictures and then you know,

653
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: drawing pictures around it, were you actually creating portraits of

654
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: people that that had once lived? And have you gone

655
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: on then to draw pictures of people that you see

656
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: and do spirit portraits. So when I was when I

657
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: originally started blowing up the pictures and drawing pictures, it

658
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: was a lot of it was a lot of hit

659
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: and miss about here's what I see. Do you recognize

660
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: this person in the picture? I'd asked somebody who has

661
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: maybe they was taking over them person may have been

662
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: in the picture and asked, is this a relative of ors?

663
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: Do you know who they are, and the well, it

664
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: kind of has some features that look familiar, but it's

665
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: kind of hard to tell. So I had a lot

666
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: of hits and miss at first. Um there was a

667
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: point in my development where I had gone to a

668
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: FC and I had worked with one of the people

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00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: there who had actually worked with Coral Polge and some

670
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: of the fantastic spirit artist mediums. She Coral Polge is

671
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: she's passed now, but she was a fantastic medium, a

672
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: spirit artist herself, who would draw pictures that were so

673
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: accurate that I don't know that I could if I

674
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: was looking at a person and drew a picture of them,

675
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that I could be as accurate as

676
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: she was working with the spirit world. Are you sure?

677
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: Hands were moving? And and she'd say I'd become them.

678
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: And so I was working with somebody who had a

679
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: familiarity with her, and I had asked them some advice

680
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: and they had shown me some techniques on you know,

681
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: just gently take this color and and and work it

682
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: across the page, but not too hard, not too much.

683
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: You don't want to you know, you don't want to

684
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: disturb the spiritual energy. But just ask for someone to

685
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: come through and so you'd roughly with a very light color,

686
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: put it on your paper, a rough paper that really

687
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: kind of the pastel with drag as you as you

688
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: drug the as the pastel along, and it would leave

689
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: marks and bumps and irregularities. And I begin to stare

690
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: at it, just like I would the pictures of the

691
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: orbs and the pictures, and i'd and i'd see the

692
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: face sort of in a three dimensional capacity kind of

693
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: almost come out at me and well, there's the nose,

694
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: there's the eye, and it was you know, I would

695
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: just sit there and look at it until it popped

696
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: out and showed me itself to me, and and I

697
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: just sort of gently trace it. Um. So my eyes

698
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: were doing all the work. My hands were just sort

699
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: of following what I saw. And then that process began,

700
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: uh to be met with a lot more success in

701
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: terms of people recognizing the faces that were coming through

702
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: and saying, oh, yes, that's my father's nose, or those

703
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: are the eyes of my sister, or um. You would

704
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, they would all come together. So there's been

705
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: a process, and it's it's fun for me because sometimes

706
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: it's my eyes that see the things, and sometimes my

707
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: hands just get ahead of what I'm doing, and it's

708
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: like they've got a mind of their own. It's it's

709
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: it's you know, sometimes you begin to feel I mean

710
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: you as you're drawing, you might feel lethargic and heavy

711
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: and it's hard to breathe, and it's you know that

712
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: you're a heavy, large person, and it begins to come

713
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: and just the sensor that energy begins to pronounce itself

714
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: through your colors onto the paper. So there's much more

715
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: than just imagery that occurs when I do these portraits.

716
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: It's you know, there's there's a lot of information that's

717
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: embedded in the in the chalk and the movements in

718
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: the speed that which I'm using the chalk, or the

719
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: how slow I go, how hard a press, how light

720
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: a press. There's energy that I'm transmitting that while I'm

721
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: connected to them, that is being imprinted on the paper.

722
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: It's not uncommon for the four things too. If you

723
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: let the paper settle after I do a portrait, it's

724
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: not uncommon for me to come back to and go

725
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: it's just so much different than I remember. It seems

726
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's just matured or something during you know,

727
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: if you leave it for an hour, matures and almost

728
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: changes and and becomes more of what it was. Chris,

729
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break and when we come back,

730
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: I want to find out if this is fun for

731
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: you and what other interesting things have happened. As you

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00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,680
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Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlagne. Welcome back

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00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandras Champlain and we

758
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: are with Chris fitting. Chris, I bet you really enjoy this.

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00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: You were just talking about when you complete a spirit portrait,

760
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fun process, right So I So

761
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: now what I do is I take a picture of

762
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: it after I'm finished, you know, or all just to

763
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: make sure so I can come back and kind of

764
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: compare the subtleties on the color, what colors are more

765
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: pronounced and and it really works to healing. So when

766
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, if you've lost somebody and you want a

767
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: connection and you want a portrait. Um. So say there's

768
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: a child who loses his you know, father and at

769
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: war and and never had that opportunity to say goodbye.

770
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: But once the guidance and the the motivation and the

771
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: courage and the confidence, well, each of those colors that

772
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm it's behind being impressed to use, those colors are

773
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: left on the paper so that when that child needs

774
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: something most they can look at that picture and those

775
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: colors come out and instill those attributes in the child.

776
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: Be courageous, take a chance, move forward, you know those

777
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: and and then you may come back to another time

778
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: and you may say I just feel lonely and any love,

779
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the reds in the picture

780
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: come out and you're like, wow, and I feel loved.

781
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: I field chairshed. So there's a little bit of this connection,

782
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: like it's a portal with the the afterlife, and the

783
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: people are working in the spiritual world are working through

784
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: the pictures and the colors to pronounce things to really

785
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: hit home with the person looking at them, you know,

786
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: as if you were looking at a portal through to

787
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: the spirit world and saying, you know, provide me with

788
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: what it is that I need at this time. And

789
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: when I see that happen to the recipients that received

790
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: the portraits, I just think, Wow, I'm so happy to

791
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: be part of this process and it just it warms

792
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: my heart. Oh absolutely. I've been to your website, spirit

793
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: illustrator dot com and I've seen the portraits and some

794
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: of the pictures and art, and while they're beautiful, I

795
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: never never even dawned at me this healing aspect, or

796
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: this encouragement aspect. If you need some comfort or some

797
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: love or courage or whatever that may be, that's tremendous. Yeah,

798
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: what a gift that you've been given. And I know

799
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: you're somebody who shares it because you're very busy. Thank you,

800
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: say your phone's ringing and on all that, and it

801
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: will be more after this interview, like well, yeah, well

802
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: thank you. It's um, we just we just added a

803
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: page which I really like. It's become a very popular product,

804
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: and so yeah, you're correct, I have been busy. It's

805
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: it's that strictly. Um there's a page on the at

806
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: spirit Illustrated dot com where it's just strictly guides that

807
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm doing for folks. And I didn't think that it

808
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: would have been met with such success. But people they

809
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: want to know about who works with them on the

810
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: other side, what influences and I have you know, from

811
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: a pencil portrait to a color portrait, which is a

812
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: little deeper, to an archetypal portrait, and you know which

813
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: kind of the archetypal portraits or energy portraits, and they

814
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: do and they're also a portrait of a face, but

815
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: there are maybe a lineage or a line of your family,

816
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: maybe your you know, your mother's side of the family, um,

817
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: something like that. So that information can come come through

818
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: and you'll see at your boots in that picture that

819
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: represents that lineage and what they handed down. UM. But

820
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: but it's a very popular product because it comes with

821
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, we were able to be able to provide

822
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: some names and some um how they how they like

823
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: to impress that they're near you and what it is

824
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: that is there, Why are they in my life and

825
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: what are they nudging me towards? Um. So it helps

826
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: develop a closer bond with your guide. So as you're

827
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: going through the development process, you know you can go, okay,

828
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: this is this is a specialty of this guy. I

829
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: know Brian and and Brian is here to show me

830
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: these things and here's how I know he's around. And

831
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: then when you're awareness opens up to those things and

832
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: you're paying attention to the fine detail, then you begin

833
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: to go, oh, there he is again, and I see this,

834
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: and it just it just helps because as we go

835
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: through this development process spiritually, we want to know that

836
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: there's people on the other side that are lending us

837
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: a hand. And we know that they're there, but when

838
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: we see you know, what if feathers or butterflies or

839
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: rainbows or you know, there's some of the common things,

840
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: but we know there's certain attribute, there's certain signs that

841
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: they'll use to let us know that they're um, that

842
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: they're near in a song. They love to come through

843
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: with songs um that that encapsulate a message and and

844
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: every time you hear it on the radio, you know

845
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: that they're with you again. So that's that's also a

846
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: fantastic way for us to connect with the guides that

847
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: are in our lives. Well, it's so important. I always

848
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: love giving people the connection that their loved ones are

849
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: around that are no longer physically here. But then it's like,

850
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: if we don't die, what's our life for? And when

851
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: we're on our path, and it's unique to each one

852
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: of us to know that there's these unseen beings that

853
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: are supporting us. And I think probably most people go

854
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: through their life never making connection with a guide, and

855
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: meanwhile there's these guides cheering us on. So I think

856
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: to be able to make that introduction through art, through

857
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: a portrait, and you know, however, where that turns out,

858
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: we'll give somebody more than just this hope that there's

859
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: somebody around. It's like, okay, here, I've got this. Whether

860
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: it's a color, whether it's a face, whatever, it may

861
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: be a simple representative of that. And it's so interesting,

862
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: Like you say, you start picking up on things happening

863
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: more regularly and you'll be like, oh, that's tom My guide.

864
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: I just made that up, tom. But but to build

865
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: a relationship, and one of human beings hardest things is

866
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: dealing with being alone, and to realize that we're never

867
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: alone and have these signs, I just think that's fantastic.

868
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: And I actually had the privilege of a different spirit

869
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: artist who is now retired, doing a spirit art after

870
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: my dad had passed, and I very much believed in

871
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: the afterlife, but I you know, we're not going to

872
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: escape grief, and it's very, very difficult. And I met

873
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: up with this woman and very much like you, she's

874
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: an evidential medium. So she was talking about my grandmother

875
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: and then my dad. She didn't know anything about me,

876
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: and she just picks up a her pad and you know,

877
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: Dad's eyes came out first, and then a drawing of

878
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: what he looked like when he was in the Air

879
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: Force in his twenties. And meanwhile, he died in the

880
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: seventies looking really awful, connected to machinery and all that stuff.

881
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: And you know, that's when she said, we get to

882
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: be whatever age we wished to be, and that was

883
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: my dad's favorite age. And then verbally she came through

884
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: with so much evidence. And I have that portrait and

885
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, that's one of those holy Cow

886
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: experiences for me. And so I've always been, you know,

887
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: secretly asking is there another spirit artist out there that

888
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't meet? And and maybe no. And then and

889
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things you mentioned, I just

890
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: a comment on real quickly about as a spirit artist,

891
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: what's nice You wouldn't expect they can these people that

892
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: have passed over can come through at any age, and

893
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: so as you're you know, you said your father had

894
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: come through, and he was I think it was at

895
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: a at a younger, younger age. They can be any

896
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: age that they want when they come through. And and

897
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that at first when I began working

898
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: with that, and until the recipient would say, well, that's

899
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: that's my dad, but it's not the way I remember

900
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: him in the end, And and then it continued to

901
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: happen and there was a theme that was they don't

902
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: want to come through at the end, they want to

903
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: come through. And I think they were the healthiest and

904
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: the happiest, were some of the best times in their lives.

905
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, just great. How about pets. Do pets ever

906
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: come through? You know they do? I was on I

907
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: was working with Mavis on a platform Membis Pattilla once

908
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: and she's so fantastic lover she was and she was moving,

909
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: she was she was in the evidence and I was drawing,

910
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: and and she's so fast and fantastic, and I there's

911
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: times when she was bringing them two people through it

912
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: once and I had my hands were all over the board.

913
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: I couldn't keep up. I was sweating and um and

914
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: she was just firing off information and then all of

915
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: a sudden, horse comes through and I'm like, what am

916
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: I supposed to do about this? You know? And uh,

917
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: I just trusted. I trusted, and you know, it came

918
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: through and it was one of the best um portraits

919
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: that came through that night and that people afterwards came

920
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: up and they said, I know the horse, I know

921
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: the market put on her forehead, and I know the

922
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: mountain that's behind them in the picture. Oh you gave

923
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: me ghost bombs just now, yeah, let's I just went

924
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: and it was just that was one of the most fantastic.

925
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: That was a great evening. We had a wonderful time.

926
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: And yes, so pets do come through. Uh there's been cats,

927
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: and there's been horses and then there's dogs. Um. I

928
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's my specialty, but I oftentimes don't know

929
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: that I have a choice. Um, it's just so to

930
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: what's impressed on me and what begins to come through. Yeah, Chris,

931
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit more about working

932
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: with evidential medium who's on platform and you're doing the drawings,

933
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: So it's it's the same sort of approach where we

934
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: have two mediums on stage, I'll be there and we'll

935
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: have another medium and they'll be doing a evidential medium

936
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: ship reading, bringing through UM those details and I'll begin

937
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: to draw the portrait of that person. There will be

938
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: a likeness of the person that has passed so UM

939
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: and they may come through at any age UM. And

940
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: I always say when I begin these things, they say,

941
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: well if I if I get the ear rings wrong

942
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: or a part the hair on the wrong side, please

943
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: don't be upset, give me a little bit of leeway. UM.

944
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: But you know, the likenesses are definitely there, and they'll

945
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: bring through the evidence of of who it is the

946
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: past and we'll real time connect to that same spirit

947
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: while I draw the picture and the attributes UM. And

948
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: there will also be some symbology. Sometimes you'll, you know,

949
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: I'll draw maybe a picture of a tattoo they had,

950
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: or I'll I'll get an image of somebody else that

951
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: was in their life, or or the tea kettle that

952
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: was important to them, or um. Some significant symbol may

953
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: appear in the picture as I'm drawing to depending on

954
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: on what it is they want to bring across, and

955
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: their messages are so it's so I'm illustrating this experience

956
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: or this life while the other medium is providing the details,

957
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: and then we'll hand it off a little bit. So

958
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll be in the I'll be in the seat

959
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: where they'll they'll turn to me, and I'll be able

960
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: to provide some evidence and speak to other other attributes

961
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: that came through during my drawing experience. Chris, I have

962
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: very little or no artistic ability. Actually, would you suggest

963
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: that it would be okay for some of us to

964
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: pick up colors and start to draw. Don't have to

965
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: be an artist. It's not about that. It's about the

966
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: use of color and just being and being abstract and

967
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: feeling into it and just getting out of your mind.

968
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: And I said this before, but you stop thinking and

969
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: you start linking and it's very natural. Chris, I really

970
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: want to thank you for being our guests today and

971
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: for our listeners. You can check out spirit Illustrator dot com.

972
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: And you know, there's all different ways that the spirit

973
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: world tries to get in touch with us, whether it's

974
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: through our dreams, whether it's through our imagination, whether it's

975
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: through artistic abilities. The important thing is to slow down

976
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: and trust they are with us, and their love goes on.

977
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm Sandras Champlain and you've been listening to Shades of

978
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to

979
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Speaker 1: Coast a m paranormal podcast network. And if you like

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