1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Lisa Matteo. Here 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: are the top stories we're following today. 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 3: Lisa, we begin with new developments on two trade fronts. First, 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 3: talks between Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant and China's Vice Premier 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 3: Holy Fanger scheduled to take place in Malaysia this weekend. 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: It's a prelude to the closely watched meeting between Presidents 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: Trump and She Jinping next week. President Trump wants she 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 3: to resume American soybean purchases, crackdown on fentanyl, and back 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: off on restrictions on rare earth exports. He says, if 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 3: no deal has reached, big tariffs will resume. 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 4: Actually, on November first, the tariffun China goes to one 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty seven percent, which is record setting territory. 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 4: And we don't want that because it's not sustainable for them. 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 4: They can't sustain that. 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 5: We don't want. 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 4: Them to have to go through that. So a meeting 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 4: with President she and I would say the first we 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 4: have some big issues like with the farmers and various 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 4: other things. But the first question I'm going to be 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 4: asking him about is fentat all. 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: President Trump is scheduled to arrive in Malaysia, his first 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 3: stop on his Asian trip, early Sunday morning. 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: Well meantime, Nathan, President Trump is injecting new uncertainty into 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: America's closest trading partnership. The President posted on truth Social 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: that he's terminating trade negotiations with Canada. He's citing this 27 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 2: TV advertisement from the Province of Ontario. 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 6: When someone says, let's impose tariffs on foreign imports, it 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 6: looks like they're doing the patriotic thing by protecting American 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 6: products and jobs. And sometimes for a short while it works, 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 6: but only for a short time. 32 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 7: But over the long. 33 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 6: Run, such trade barriers hurt every American worker and consumer. 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: That commercial features excerpts of them. President Ronald Reagan defending 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,639 Speaker 2: free trade. We get more from Bloomberg's pens. 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 5: This is just a reminder of just how rocky the 37 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 5: relationship with Canada has been ever since Trump returned to 38 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 5: the White House, and even though there has been a 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 5: sense of stabilization recently and talks have been happening. Mark 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 5: Carney was in the White House a couple of weeks 41 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 5: ago when that meeting seems to have gone well. That 42 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 5: really important to trade relationship, which is worth almost a 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 5: trillion dollars a year. 44 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's blash Pens reports President Trump is accusing Canada of 45 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: timing the AD to interfere with the Supreme Court case 46 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: against his country by country tariffs arguments in that case 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: set for November fifth. 48 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: Well, now, Lisa, let's turn to the latest on the 49 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: government shutdown. It is now day twenty four of the 50 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: second longest shutdown in American history. On day twenty three, 51 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 3: Senate Democrats blocked a Republican bill that would have paid 52 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: members of the military and federal workers who have had 53 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: to stay on the job since the funds ran out 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: October first. Democrats say that bill would have given President 55 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 3: Trump too much leeway to decide which government employees have 56 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: to keep working while this standoff continues. House Minoriti leader 57 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 3: hot Kim Jeffrey says all federal workers will receive pay 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: once the government reopens. 59 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 8: When Donald Trump says anything, and he's the President of 60 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 8: the United States, and there's been a willingness to engage 61 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 8: an unlawful and illegal behavior, sometimes rubberstamped by the Conservative 62 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 8: majority on the US Supreme Court. That's problematic, but the 63 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 8: law is very crystal clear in this particular instance, and 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 8: we are going to make sure that every single federal 65 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 8: employee receives the entirety of their pay house. 66 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: MINORITI leader Hakim Jeffrey spoke with Bloomberg's David Gura. You 67 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: can hear their full conversation on the latest edition of 68 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: the Bloomberg Big Take podcast. 69 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: And the government shutdown, Nathan, it's also delayed important economic data. 70 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: Later this morning, we finally get the consumer price report 71 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: for September. Bloomberg's Michael McKee has a preview. 72 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 9: One rose among the thorns. We actually get some inflation 73 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 9: data from the government. The Labor Department has called furloughed 74 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 9: employees back to work to put together this September consumer 75 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 9: Price Index. Social Security uses a third quarter CPI average 76 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 9: to determine next year cost of living increase for beneficiaries, 77 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 9: which by law, must be published this month. The data 78 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 9: had all been collected by the time the government shut 79 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 9: down on October first, so it's simply a matter of 80 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 9: collating it and making the usual seasonal adjustments. And let's 81 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 9: expect we'll see no appreciable slow down from August, with 82 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 9: headline CPI rising four tenths percent during the month and 83 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 9: core three tenths. That would put the annual rate of 84 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 9: inflation at three point one percent for both, another move 85 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 9: in the wrong direction for the FED. Michael McKee, Bloomberg Radio. 86 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: All right, Mike, thanks, One question remains who will be 87 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: the next FED chairman? Bloomberg's Tom Keane put that question 88 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: to Neil Detta, head of economic research at Renaissance macro Well, I, frankly. 89 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 10: Don't think it's any of the people that are being 90 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 10: discussed right now. And the reason is is because if 91 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 10: it was going to be one of those people, they 92 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 10: would have already named them by now, So you know, 93 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 10: I mean, I think the longer it goes on, the 94 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 10: more likely it is, frankly, that Secretary Besson. I mean, 95 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 10: what do we know about Treasury Secretary Best? And we 96 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 10: know that number one, which is the most important, he 97 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 10: has the confidence of the President of the United States, 98 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 10: and number two he has the confidence of the financial markets, 99 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 10: and those are two pretty good. And number three he 100 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 10: probably is interviewing all these people and is thinking to 101 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 10: himself like, I'm better than all these guys. 102 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: As for what the FED does on policy. Renaissance Macro's 103 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: Neil Detta expects the Central Bank to cut rates next 104 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: week and in December. 105 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: Well, we now turn to some stocks on the move, 106 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: shares of Intel. They're up more than eight percent on 107 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: the chip maker return to profitability and gave an upbeat 108 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: revenue forecast. The outlook signals that Intel is on the 109 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: right track following a turbulent year. Jay Goldberg is a 110 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: senior semiconductor analyst with Seaport Research Partners. 111 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 11: It's an encouraging step forward for the company. They've been 112 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 11: through some rough times and I think the driver of 113 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 11: this quarter's results are their new products coming on stream. 114 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 11: I think that's helping a lot, and I'm most encouraged 115 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 11: by sort of the gross margin outlook for next quarter well. 116 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: Seaport Research Partners also notes a slew of deals that 117 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: has Intel shares up ninety percent so far this year. 118 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: In the stretch of a few months, Intel secured an 119 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: unconventional investment from the US government and one investments from 120 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 2: Nvidia and SoftBank Group Lisa. 121 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: Shares of Forder driving higher as well. This morning, They're 122 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: up about two and a half percent. The automaker reported 123 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: third quarter profits and sales above Wall Street estimates. CEO 124 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: Jim Farley tells Bloomberg that Ford will largely bounce back 125 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: next year from a devastating fire that hobbled a key 126 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: supplier to its stopped selling f one to fifty pickup. 127 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 12: We're still working to it. It'll be i'd say around 128 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 12: one hundred thousand units, but we still have the opportunity 129 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 12: improve that. This is really a retiming of wholesale. What 130 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 12: we lose this year will gain most of it back 131 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 12: next year. Maybe a billion and a half to two 132 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 12: and a half billion of EBIT this year a little 133 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 12: bit heavier on the cash because of how auto works, 134 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 12: but we'll be gaining at least a billion, if not more, 135 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 12: of that back next year. 136 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: And Fords CEO Jim Frowley now expects a billion dollar 137 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: financial hit from President Trump's tariffs. That's down from an 138 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 3: earlier estimate of two billion dollars. 139 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: And a quick programming note, Nathan, we would like to 140 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: invite you this weekend for another episode of The Michelle 141 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: Who's Sin Show. Now this week, Michelle sits down with 142 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: Reform UK leader Nigel Farage. Among their topics, President Trump. 143 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 13: In terms of keeping promises that he made the electorate. Yes, 144 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 13: there are many other areas in which we might disagree 145 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 13: or might do things. 146 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 14: We tell the areas that you disagree. 147 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 13: There are other airs you might disagree, social policy, etc. 148 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 13: We might see things differently. But the fundamentalism of Trump 149 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 13: is you tell the electorate I'm going to do X 150 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 13: how you actually do it, and that's what he's doing. 151 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: Well, you can listen and watch the entire interview with 152 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: Michelle Who'sain' on Apple, YouTube, Spotify or anywhere else you listen. 153 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: All Right, it's time now for check on the news 154 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: around the world. For that, we go to Michael Barr. 155 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 7: Hello Lisa. The head coach of the Portland Trailblazers and 156 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 7: a player for the Miami Heat were arrested along with 157 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 7: more than thirty other people in the takedown of two 158 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 7: gambling operations. Authorities said those involved leaked inside information about 159 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 7: NBA athletes and rigged poker games backed by mafia families. 160 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 7: Portland coach Chauncey Billups was charged with participating in the 161 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 7: conspiracy to rig high stakes card games tied to organized 162 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 7: crime families. US Attorney Joseph Ncella says the defendants would 163 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 7: lure victims into rigged poker games for a chance to 164 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 7: play with sports celebrities. The scheme targeted. 165 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 15: Victims known as quote fish, who were often lord to 166 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 15: participate in these rigged games by the chance to play 167 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 15: alongside former professional athletes who were known as quote face cards. 168 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 7: Heat guard Terry Rozier is accused in a separate scheme 169 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 7: of exploiting private information about player to win bets on games. 170 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 7: Outgoing New York City Mayor Eric Adams, officially through his 171 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 7: support behind former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo in the 172 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 7: mayoral election, self described Democratic socialists around Mamdani leads in 173 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 7: the polls over Cuomo and Republican Curtis Sliwa. If elected, 174 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 7: Mamdani would be New York's first Muslim mayor. Cuomo running 175 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 7: as an independent, and Adams seized on Memdanni's views on 176 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,479 Speaker 7: the Israel Hamas Ward to paint him as an extremist. 177 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: New York can't be Europe, folks, I don't know what 178 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: is wrong with people. 179 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 4: You see what's plan out in other countries because of 180 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 4: Islamic extremism. 181 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 7: Ma'm Donnie called Cuomo and Adams puppets of President Trump. 182 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 16: We have a president of this country who has spoken 183 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 16: publicly of his desire for Eric Adams to drop out 184 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 16: of the race. Eric Adams dropped out spoken of his 185 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 16: desire for candidates to consolidate behind Andrew Cuomo. Today, Eric 186 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 16: Adams is endorsing Andrew Cuomo. 187 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 7: Election day is November fourth. New York Attorney General Letitia 188 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 7: James is set to make her initial appear int in 189 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 7: federal court today. James was indicted in a mortgage fraud case. 190 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 7: In twenty twenty two, James sued Donald Trump and his 191 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 7: company for fraud. Global News twenty four hours a day 192 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 7: and whenever you want it with Bloomberg News Now Michael 193 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 7: barm and this is Bloomberg, Lisa. 194 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael. Time now for our Bloomberg Sports update, 195 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,479 Speaker 2: and for that we bring in Dan Schwartzman. 196 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 17: Thanks Lisa. Game won the World Series tonight in Toronto, 197 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 17: as the Blue Jays are hosting the Los Angeles Dodgers. 198 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 17: LA's looking to repeat as champions, which would make them 199 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 17: the first team to win back to back since two 200 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 17: thousand win the Yankees won their third straight. Toronto hasn't 201 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 17: been in the Series since nineteen ninety three. The Blue 202 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 17: Jay Sen, Rookie Tree, Yes Savage to the Mound versus 203 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 17: the Dodgers Blake Snell. Thursday Night football, the LA Chargers 204 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 17: dominated the Minnesota Vikings thirty seven to ten behind three 205 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 17: touchdown passes from Justin Herbert. There were just two games 206 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 17: in the NBA last night, the Thunder beating the Pacers 207 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 17: in double overtime one forty one to one thirty five 208 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 17: in a rematch of last year's final as Shay Gilgas 209 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 17: Alexander scored fifty five points. In Game two, the Warriors 210 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 17: knocked out the Nuggets one thirty seven to one thirty 211 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 17: one in overtime. That's your Bloomberg Sports Update. 212 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 3: Stay with us more from Bloomberg Daybreak coming up after this. 213 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: Coast to coast on Bloomberg Radio, nationwide on Sirius XM, 214 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: and around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the 215 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business Appum. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 216 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 3: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. President Donald Trump may be 217 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: looking for a quick win when he meets next week 218 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: in South Korea a Chinese president Shi Jin paying earlier 219 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: this week, the President said he's got a lot of 220 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: leverage heading into this first face to face encounter for 221 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: both leaders in years. 222 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 4: I think that China will come to the table and 223 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 4: make a very fair deal, because if they don't, they're 224 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 4: going to be paying US one hundred and fifty seven 225 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 4: percent in tariffs. 226 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: That was President Trump at the White House earlier this week. 227 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 3: This morning, we're joined from Beijing by Bloomberg News senior 228 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: reporter James Major and James the President puts this in 229 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: very simple terms. But the dynamics going into these talks 230 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: are really complicated, aren't they. So what are the chances 231 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: that we get something like a big deal out of 232 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: this one encounter next week? 233 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 14: I would say that the chances of a big deal 234 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 14: resolving a lot of the issues between the US and 235 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 14: China are practically zero. I mean, if you look at 236 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 14: what happened in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, it took eighteen months, 237 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 14: almost two years of regular meetings and negotiations to get 238 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 14: anything close to what could be called a big deal. 239 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 14: And we've had you know, we've had a couple of 240 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 14: meetings for a few days in Europe, and we've got 241 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 14: some meanings coming up this week in Malaysia, where Scott 242 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 14: Besant and Vice Premier League fun will be meeting, but 243 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,479 Speaker 14: you know, they're really not negotiating on the fundamental differences 244 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 14: between the two countries, and so, you know, I think 245 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 14: we'll get some agreements, you know, if the two leaders 246 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 14: do actually meet, which you know is not I wouldn't 247 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 14: put one hundred percent probability in that. But if they 248 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 14: do actually meet, I think we'll get some announcements out 249 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 14: of that, But I don't think it's going to be 250 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 14: sort of overarching solving of all the different bilateral issues 251 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 14: that the two countries are facing. 252 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 3: Interesting you say that there might not be one hundred 253 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: percent chance that the leaders meet on Thursday. What's got 254 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 3: you thinking that there could be some vulnerability there? 255 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 14: I mean after the Madrid, sorry, after the Stockholm meeting, 256 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 14: you know, Scott Present came out and said that there 257 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 14: hasn't there There wasn't a deal until Donald Trump said 258 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 14: there was a deal, and the Chinese came out and 259 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 14: said we have a deal. And then eventually Donald Trump 260 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 14: did come out and say no, no, we did actually 261 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 14: reach a deal, but it was there was a lot 262 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 14: of uncertainty about you know, what normally would have been 263 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 14: a the two sides come out and they announced something. 264 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 14: You know, the negotiators on the ground announced something, but 265 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 14: here it really is until the last minute, until the 266 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 14: President Donald Trump says I'm about to have a meeting 267 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 14: or I've just had a meeting. You know, I just 268 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 14: I don't have that confidence that what we think is 269 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 14: going to happen is actually going to happen. There's been 270 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 14: too many cases where at the last minute, like you 271 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 14: saw with the US and Canada today, Mark Conney was 272 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 14: hoping to do a deal with the US this weekend 273 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 14: before APEC. Suddenly Dawn Trump has come out and said 274 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 14: where all the negotiations are off. So it's that kind 275 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 14: of uncertainty and volatility. I think that just means that 276 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 14: I don't want to put my I don't want to 277 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 14: make a bet that the meeting between him and presidency 278 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 14: is definitely going to happen. 279 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: Well, going into this, we've got the President talking about 280 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: the threat of one hundred and fifty seven percent tariffs, 281 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: and you know China has come out with these rare 282 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: earth export restrictions announcement. Given all this, who has the 283 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: bigger leverage potentially? 284 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 14: I think if you look at what's happening so far 285 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 14: with trades, you've had I guess since April or March 286 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 14: there's been increasingly higher tariffs US tariffs on Chinese colds 287 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 14: and yet to spittle that when you know, I guess 288 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 14: the current sort of average tariff rate is between forty 289 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 14: and fifty percent. Despite that, China is still selling about 290 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 14: a billion dollars a day worth of goods to America. 291 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 14: And so what that means is that just even with 292 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 14: those higher tariffs, there are no suppliers other than China 293 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 14: for these goods that Chinese companies are selling. There are 294 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 14: there are no other supplies at that price where you know, 295 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 14: some American companies are still willing to buy those products. 296 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 14: So yes, raising tariffs from fifty percent to one hundred 297 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 14: and fifty percent or whatever the latest thread is is 298 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 14: going to be into that quicker. But I think you 299 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 14: know this kind of you know, Chinese dominance of product 300 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 14: like rarests parto factly hear my batteries, where they are 301 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 14: really the only supplier at scale for the whole world. 302 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 14: So it gives them a lot of leverage in these 303 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 14: kind of negotiations where they can say they can they 304 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 14: can clearly wear higher tariffs for a period of time. 305 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 14: And they also have many markets outside the US, where 306 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 14: you know other people are more than happy to buy 307 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 14: those products and it doesn't matter to them what the 308 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 14: US terrorism are those products. So I would say going 309 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 14: to this, you know you're seeing with the railroad tariffs, sorry, 310 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 14: with the railroads export controls. 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